00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:26481 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:33368 00:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:40367 00:06 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 00:18 hmm... ...there's a snake corpse in this ice box - if I tin it, there's a chance I can get poison resistance? 00:18 <@riker> oh is it midnight right now EST 00:19 <@riker> interesting no wonder I was taking some more dmg than I was a bit ago 00:20 @v?snake 00:20 snake (S) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 15 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d6 bite drain str | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, conceals, oviparous, poisonous 00:20 yuppers - that worked 00:20 Nice 00:20 without getting poisoned ^^ 00:21 @v?lich 00:21 lich (L) | Lvl: 11 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 6 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: cold | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d10 touch cold, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -9 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, undead 00:21 nice trick ^^ 00:21 Tinning your snek snacks makes them non-poisonous 00:21 snake snack snake snack snake snack - say that 10x 00:23 @? 00:23 "line" (line 1, column 2): unexpected end of input expecting white space ;I shall now launch the missiles that will cause serious international side effects. 00:24 nice Beholder 00:25 * Andrio throws a ~~dagger~~ missile at Beholder. 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:54744 01:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased engraved ring of free action", on T:43097 01:24 <@riker> K2 you still here? 01:24 <@riker> dnh just segfaulted, curious if there's a coredump 01:24 <@riker> pretty sure this is an old bug that chris thought was fixed but maybe not 01:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Graz'zt, on T:44184 01:30 <@riker> oh shit I'm two for two lmao 01:31 <@riker> k2: that's two crashes, possibly 0 coredumps lol 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:57078 02:21 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 02:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 02:21 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:37 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1905 points, T:2127, killed by a dwarf 02:55 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1186 points, T:1649, killed by a dretch 02:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 650 points, T:1064, killed by a hobgoblin 03:06 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1191 points, T:1478, killed by a Green-elf 03:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 2791 points, T:2148, killed by a giant ant 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:05 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 355 points, T:417, killed by a bat 04:10 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 04:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 2700 points, T:3503, killed by a giant ant 04:34 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:54 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 97 points, T:438, killed by a bolt of cold 06:17 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 06:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1924 points, T:2807, killed by a killer bee 06:41 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:15 @riker - https://termbin.com/eacy 07:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 749 points, T:2081, killed by a gnome, while fainted from lack of food 07:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 220 points, T:1159, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted goblin 07:40 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1618 points, T:1625, killed by a killer bee 07:51 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 149 points, T:928, killed by a kobold zombie 08:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 24 points, T:419, killed by a jackal 08:29 huh. i don't think this have ever happened to me. 08:30 big room is below quest portal level 08:30 Oh, wow 08:32 quest on 11, big room on 12 08:32 seems really shallow for quest, actually. 08:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34436 08:35 so I've finished sokoban (BoH) and reached MT in Mines and the Big Room in the main dungeon. still lack reflection and even any MC. not clear what to do next. 08:35 this is where I always either get analysis paralysis or start playing recklessly and die out of depth. 08:43 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 08:47 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 2796 points, T:1382, killed by kicking an altar 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2012 points, T:2442, killed by a gray unicorn 08:53 <@Tone> Generally I'll either dig past big room or make a boulder fort and fight 08:54 <@Tone> You are still somewhat susceptible to wands with the boulder fort though 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 798 points, T:1542, killed by a gnome lord 09:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3253 points, T:3016, killed by a bolt of cold 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 69 points, T:148, killed by a newt 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had a crude dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:21222 09:17 *facepalm* 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed Fixed +3 grayswandir", on T:26907 09:40 nice one 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1110 points, T:1834, turned to slime by a green slime, while helpless 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 173 points, T:501, burned by molten lava 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a newt corpse, on T:4123 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1225 points, T:2223, killed by a gnome lady 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:22735 10:33 \o/ 10:34 <@Tone> That's not a first sac gift anymore, huh? 10:34 not in evilhack 10:35 evilhack does away with guaranteed first gifts 10:35 well not entirely 10:35 <@Tone> Was there anything special about that crude dagger? 10:36 yeah when you get something mundane it's blessed and enchanted, usually highly 10:36 that one was +3 10:37 <@Tone> Still sounds like a disappointment 10:38 it was ok considering i was using a +0 ordinary dagger until then 10:38 <@Tone> What are the odds between artifacts and mundane stuff? 10:38 It's one of those changes that's only a disappointment because everyone's used to getting artifacts on the first go 10:38 also i think i might have misinterpreted the evilhack first sacrifice gift thing 10:38 <@Tone> oh is it weighted towards weapons you have skill in? 10:39 spork was marketed as "being no harder for the newbie" or something; the problem is that pretty much no one gets an interest in nethack and dives straight into variants 10:39 the first artifact gift is guaranteed to be something for some roles, but the first gift isn't guaranteed to be an artifact 10:40 hothraxxa: yes so you will get MB before any other artifact, but your god could just keep tossing crude daggers at you ad infinitum 10:40 yeah 10:40 <@Tone> I think going straight to variants is pretty common nowadays actually, aosdict 10:40 really? why do you say that? 10:40 <@Tone> I see fiqhack recommended frequently to first time players 10:40 Really? I mean, I always give people the advice that they should try vanilla first 10:40 hm. that's... not the best starting variant 10:41 <@Tone> At least over here on discord 10:41 I'd absolutely recommend NH4 to new players 10:41 over 3.4.3 and 3.6.3 10:41 yeah nh4 is the easiest 10:41 if you start people off on NH4, they won't ever leave the NH4 sphere 10:41 perhaps. but it's better. 10:41 xnethack is the best 10:42 so I love the idea of xnethack 10:42 <@Tone> I used to recommend NH4 but I think 3.6 is an improvement over that 343 base 10:42 right, so xnethack 10:42 but I just want it to be in NH4's UX/UI 10:42 have you tried xnethack though? 10:42 yes. 10:42 hothraxxa: fh is recommended due to UI convenience 10:43 not because it's easier 10:43 ^ 10:43 because it isn't 10:43 yes i know, it's still not the best starting experience 10:43 ^^^ 10:43 actually I think earlygame might be easier 10:43 but lategame definitely isn't 10:43 aosdict: I don' 10:43 fh still has the best user experience overall, i think 10:44 t consider this a bad thing :P 10:44 I need to try FH more 10:44 NH3's UI shittiness needs to die 10:44 hackedhead: Are you referring to just the overall interface? Because we have the curses interface in vanilla now. 10:44 i gave up on fourk because a) it changed too fast and b) I realized I only liked the things that made the player OP 10:44 fourk is great 10:44 aosdict: maybe I've not explored enough 10:45 does perm_invent actually work now? 10:45 in NH3 10:45 there were issues with it 10:45 I think so. 10:45 it's easily the NH4 feature I like the most 10:45 which is why I ported it to NH3 curses in first place 10:45 <@Tone> Yeah perm invent has had a lot of improvements over the past year 10:45 It exists in vanilla and I don't remember any more bugs on it being squashed recently 10:45 but it didn't make the transistion to the 3.6 codebase well 10:45 <@Tone> I haven't had any issues with perm invent in a while 10:45 aosdict: how do I set it up? 10:45 OPTIONS=windowtype:curses 10:46 i don't see curses in "Shift-O" menu 10:46 however unlike getobj, this was almost certainly exclusively my fault 10:46 (I think. I don't play with the curses interface) 10:46 hackedhead: do what aosdict said 10:47 aosdict: anyway, there is several other reasons to prefer NH4/fiqhack's UI 10:47 the movement is much safer there because it has proper confirmations/etc for things 10:47 okay, that's somehwat better 10:47 NH3 has paranoid, which solves some, but not all, of the problems 10:47 but yes, many other things besides 10:48 the movement being one 10:48 also the changes to prompt handling 10:48 hackedhead: I ported that to 3.6 in the form of getobj 10:48 It was completely ignored by the DT 10:48 <@Tone> There are a few other options to configure with curses depending on how you want it to look hackedhead 10:48 I don't know why splice/evil haven't ported over xnethack/nh4 water movement 10:48 Some variant developers (including aosdict) applied it 10:48 <@magicbymcluxey> because evil is evilllll 10:48 But I think at least aosdict is considering (if he hasn't already) removing it 10:49 Due to vanilla's complete refusal to merge it 10:49 <@magicbymcluxey> and therefore if you walk into water it's your fault and you're a noob 10:49 and the fact that it leads to several merge conflicts 10:49 aosdict: Splice probably just forgot/haven't noticed 10:49 Evil is because of K2 being silly 10:49 FIQ: I'm currently wrestling with a bug in which specifying a count in getobj doesn't do anything 10:49 it's my bug! =D 10:49 What I really do like about the getobj patch is the callbacks 10:49 I have a feeling that he's refusing it mostly out of spite at this point since I've asked him more than once about it 10:50 FIQ: K2 subscribes to the 'if the player typos into lava, they should have been paying more attention and being more careful' philosophy 10:50 evilhack then proceeds to add lots more water and lava to the dungeon 10:51 Another feature that not even NH4 has, but fiqhack has (exclusively) is ctrl+f 10:51 <@magicbymcluxey> you could say the same about dnh as well 10:51 NH4's movement bugs still bother me though 10:51 (i.e. running and exploring should not push boulders, and should halt at new doors) 10:51 FIQHack, alongside some of the variants, also allows you to deal with peaceful monsters by displacing them 10:51 Which removes a lot of the annoyance with peacefuls 10:52 FIQ: my biggest annoyance with peacefuls is when they spawn in soko 10:52 and then have to be excessively managed to not break the puzzle 10:52 <@Tone> Typo'ing into floating eyes is much more common and dangerous than water or lava imo 10:52 to clarify about ctrl+f: FIQHack tracks remembered objects, so you can use ctrl+f to search for objects you've seen anywhere in the dungeon 10:52 <@Tone> That's something I wish vanilla would change 10:52 Tone: another NH4 fix. you can't typo a floating eye 10:52 I don't like the NH4 floating eye fix 10:53 Fourk and FIQHack independently reworks them 10:53 The only thing I don't like about it, is that it makes them trivial. 10:53 <@Tone> Yes, I believe many variants improve floating eyes in some way 10:53 I just made them a more visible cyan. No complaints yet. 10:53 it'd be fine if you actualyl had to _work_ to kill them to reap the telepathy reward 10:53 4k still has the typo problem in theory, it makes attacking them hurt you a lot 10:53 but can never kill you on the first attack 10:54 so in practice they're still mostly safe 10:54 so they're jellies? 10:54 The typo problem applies to most anything with passive attacks. 10:54 while not being trivial like in NH4 10:54 yeah 10:54 meh. 10:54 I'd prefer NH4 if you also couldn't ranged fire at them 10:54 <@Tone> The biggest problem is in corridors imo aosdict. You have to move pretty slowly to avoid bumping into them, with my reaction times at least 10:54 FIQHack makes them give you AoE slow, and gives a continuous passive slowing if you attack them 10:54 and had to come up with something more clever 10:54 As a result I also added them to the nasties list 10:55 interesting. 10:55 because fiqhack slow is *bad* 10:55 do they slow everything, or just the player? 10:55 <@Tone> You can also fast travel through corridors but fast travel is very awful in vanilla too 10:55 easily the worst common debuff in the game 10:55 hackedhead: Monsters hostile to them 10:55 Meaning players and pets if hostile 10:55 oh interesting. 10:55 oh man. but what if you charm them? 10:55 fiqhack made trinsics work on monsters the same way they work on players 10:55 that'd be a badass pet. 10:56 They'd die too easily 10:56 Except the eyes themselves are quite slow movers. 10:56 aosdict: whistles. 10:56 Monsters have no qualms about zapping them with magic missile, killing them easily 10:56 ah. 10:56 fair enough 10:56 The same thing also makes purple worms far worse pets in FIQHack 10:56 They work in vanilla due to how mvm attacks work 10:56 monsters only attacking pets in retaliation 10:56 but they can't retaliate if they get eaten 10:57 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 10:57 what if the PC gets aggro? 10:57 in FH? 10:57 what do you mean? 10:57 aggro? 10:57 aggravate monster 10:57 would that make hostiles more prone to focus on the PC and ignore pets? 10:58 In FIQHack, aggravate monster, in addition to the vanilla effects, also cancels stealth (rather than the other way around) and works like reverse detect monsters 10:58 No, it doesn't make monsters more prone to attacking players 10:58 so what's the vanilla effect? 10:58 (i can't even recall since it's so rarely relevant) 10:58 The vanilla effects is that things wake up far more easily and that pet abuse halves, instead of reduces by 1, tameness 10:59 But stealth removes the former effect completely 10:59 In FIQHack, the reverse happens -- aggravate monsters makes stealth useless 10:59 ais523: I got an idea just now 10:59 go on 11:00 In fiqhack, conflict cancels out Elbereth 11:00 I also know that in vanilla (as well as everywhere else), conflict has the same pet tameness halving effect as aggravate monster 11:00 What if aggravate monster also disabled Elbereth? 11:00 that's interesting; I don't think it'd necessarily be a negative change 11:00 or Stormbringer? 11:01 however, putting it into vanilla would be a bad idea, given how controversial Elbereth changes tend to be, and how the gain from this one would be fairly low 11:01 I see 11:01 (also, Excal makes more sense than Stormy) 11:01 Oh yeah, because of the tracking thing 11:02 Stormy kinds of seems like it should just AoE conflict. 11:02 meaning it already has defense-reducing effects 11:02 hackedhead: conflict is already AoE 11:02 it doesn't work beyond a 8-tile big circle 11:02 k 11:02 at least it isn't supposed to 11:02 it's kinda inconsistent 11:02 in the code 11:02 ais523: does the devteam have any plans of fixing the "oops I forgot to unwield stormbringer/cleaver on the quest home and my leader saw me hit a peaceful so now the game is unwinnable" problem? 11:02 I guess what I meant was, it should casue conflict when wielded 11:03 aosdict: vanilla in general isn't big on fixing UI problems 11:03 what would make this different? 11:03 aosdict: it's normally very hard to tell whether the devteam has plans or not, individual devs have plans but they often don't make them public 11:03 it's not something that's been discussed among the devteam as a whole 11:03 the vanilla nethack devteam shadow cabal. lol. 11:03 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:04 hm I wonder 11:04 that said, I am not sure that this would universally be considered a bug, there are several devs who might either a) actually like the interaction, or b) at least assume it's intentional 11:04 how useful are pets in vanilla 3.6.x? 11:04 it's kind of a shame how much they painted themselves into a corner regarding closed-door development 11:04 <{Demo}> probably more useful early on 11:04 after it fixed the major pet tracking bug that made pet following pretty much useless? 11:04 <{Demo}> to rob stores 11:04 <{Demo}> cause you have NO MONEY 11:04 I really wish, then, that the devteam would actually try to coordinate amongst themselves 11:04 <{Demo}> fiq what is that bug? 11:04 {Demo}: I found a bug some years ago on why pets in 3.4.3 never followed you consistently 11:05 <{Demo}> wonder if it is fixed in dnh 11:05 because pets, like monsters, leave "tracks" 11:05 <@Tone> Pets are very useful in vanilla, primarily for curse testing 11:05 making them unwilling to step on squares they recently stepped on 11:05 <{Demo}> yeah that is a behavior i have noticed 11:05 <@Tone> Your fix made them much more tolerable FIQ 11:05 <{Demo}> they get stuck on random squares 11:05 this means that if a pet is next to you in a corridor 11:05 it can only go away from you as an alternative 11:05 <{Demo}> where is the patch for this? 11:05 and now it can't step back 11:06 because it just stepped there 11:06 so it continues "fleeing" 11:06 this made pets following you a huge PITA 11:06 give me a moment 11:06 btw, by "don't make them public" I mean even to other devs on the devteam 11:06 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:FIQ/DevTeam#Major_pet_AI_bug 11:06 communication is hard 11:07 ais523: yeah, that's how I interpreted it. 11:07 <{Demo}> thanks 11:07 devteam coordination is one thing, the other thing I would really like to see from the devteam is actually responding to half of the things that people contact them about that aren't bugs 11:07 aosdict: that's easier to explain; often individual devs won't feel qualified to respond but either a) don't know who is, or b) know who is but they aren't around for whatever reason 11:07 heh 11:07 reported almost exactly 2 years ago 11:07 so they just wait to see if anyone else answers 11:08 then when nobody does, they forget about it 11:08 2 years and 3 days ago 11:08 I would like to write a patch against vanilla for a bugfix or whatever, submit it as a pull request, and then at LEAST be dignified with a response saying why they don't think they should incorporate it 11:08 aosdict: my getobj patch didn't merely get rejected, it got completely ignored 11:08 I am not very happy with this response, so I'm very reluctant to making future patches for vanilla 11:09 same here (not for anything as large as getobj, but smaller fixes) 11:10 pull requests are better directed at the devteam email than github, incidentally; messages on github sometimes don't get forwarded to the devteam email for several months 11:10 ais523: I did mail them though 11:10 in fact I did both 11:10 IIRC 11:10 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 11:11 and PatR and nhmall both read github; paxed to a lesser degree 11:11 github PR: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/77 11:11 mail to DT: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:FIQ/DevTeam#Improved_handling_of_floor_items.2Ffeatures_in_prompts 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:34415 11:13 FIQ: I just found it on devteam email, there was no internal discussion of your patch 11:13 IMO it actually handles floor stuff better than NH4 itself does (which it was based on, UI-wise) since it also handles dungeon features and traps that way rather than using the old ynq behaviour for these 11:14 that said, I'm expecting the NH4 UI to be controversial, many vanilla players don't like it because it interferes with their muscle memory 11:14 (even though the muscle memory from the NH3 UI is broken) 11:14 That's why it was implemented as an optional option 11:14 ais523: I've gone around the corner and NH3 is broken for my muscle memory. hahaha 11:15 I think I piggybacked on menustyle for it, in hindsight (with complaints to aosdict, who ported it) it should be its own option 11:15 But I think that's the only problem with it 11:15 NH3 is broken even with NH3 muscle memory, because ey means two different things 11:15 oh, right! 11:15 I don't think the patch in its current state is useful for vanilla due to merge conflicts 11:15 ais523: Seems like, based on tidbits I've heard, that Izchak acted as the centralizing agent for the devteam, and when he died they haven't been able to centralize around much of anything since 11:16 but if vanilla has genuine interest in merging it, I'd be happy to make it work with current vanilla 11:16 I have no interest in updating a patch that is going to be ignored, however 11:17 but the current structure of no one talking and no long-term planning can only cause vanilla to ossify more and more 11:17 ais523: Was this fixed? DT seems to have ignored the report. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:FIQ/DevTeam#Pet_displacement_during_travel 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2037 points, T:3247, killed by a giant mosquito 11:17 It's arguably a major bug -- it has major consequences, but it's a rare situation 11:17 no discussion 11:18 one problem with bug reports is that normally Pat Rankin will fix them without telling anyone he's fixing them, then the commit appears out of nowhere 11:18 so anyone else putting in work fixing a bug runs the risk of duplicated effort 11:18 aosdict: but really, it ossified for 10 years once already, so..... 11:19 hackedhead: Yeah, so they need to come together and get on the same page! 11:19 aosdict: all I mean is that the time from the 3.5 leak to now is already miles beyond the 10 years between 3.4.3 and 3.6 11:20 ais523: sounds like the DT needs a JIRA board. hahahaha 11:20 ais523: you created internal bug trackers for nethack4, have you suggested doing the same for the devteam? or does PatR access the internet exclusively through sending and receiving emails 11:20 <@magicbymcluxey> ais523: since the other devteam members are way too conservative, you should push something crazy into 3.7 and watch the chaos 11:21 aosdict: we have an internal bug tracker already, but it's rarely used 11:21 magicbymcluxey: seems like a quick way to get exiled from the DT, eh? 11:22 <@magicbymcluxey> the devteam already has a history of doing things without the approval of the community or the other devteam members 11:22 <@magicbymcluxey> see: green slimes 11:22 @magicbymcluxey: the main issue with something like that is that it involves writing a large patch, which I don't really have time to do at the moment 11:22 ais523: or just merge all FIQ's stuff =P 11:22 @luxidream I rather doubt anyone's even done a single thing towards 3.7 yet. They can't even decide if the development is going to be public like it has been for the 3.6 series. 11:22 I've always had plans to write a new windowport that works the way I want it to in pretty much every respect, and then add it as an alternative to the existing windowports 11:22 but a) the curses patch has duplicated that work to some extent, b) I didn't get very far 11:24 I wanted to port curses UI to libuncursed but never got around to finishing the work, and I don't think it would be appreciated by 3.6 devs at this point since it'd reduce the portability of the windowport 11:24 the better idea at this point would be the ais523 approach 11:24 If the devteam had a project manager I could talk to (they don't), I would recommend for 3.7 that they come up with some savebreaking changes that are more interesting than adding globs 11:24 make a new windowport from scratch 11:25 ais523: have you considered making a ncurses wrapper for libuncursed? 11:26 to get the terminal-agnostic benefits of libuncursed without needing to change any code 11:26 FIQ: libuncursed originally was that, almost directly 11:26 it's pretty close to source compatible with ncurses (which was intentional to make porting nitrohack easier) 11:27 I'd actually prefer to move in the direction of making a saner UI rather than matching ncurses even more closely 11:28 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:28 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/201 hmm I am pretty sure I fixed this as part of my curses work... perhaps it didn't make the jump, or I only did it on my libuncursed work of it 11:32 heh I forgot that I did this 11:32 http://home.fiq.se/roleselect.png 11:33 oh yeah, it's actually live on slex 11:33 because slex crashed with the normal curses role select 11:34 too many options 11:35 <@magicbymcluxey> dcss character select 11:35 <@magicbymcluxey> owo 11:35 it was actually taken from sporkhack UI-wise I think 11:35 or possibly acehack 11:35 no idea which one did it ifrst 11:35 ais523 probably knows 11:35 since he made acehack 11:35 *first 11:36 AceHack's role select UI was new for AceHack; I don't know who if anyone subsequently copied it 11:37 but showing the starting inventory and stats was a) intentional and b) very controversial 11:37 your version is a lot less controversial, of course 11:38 http://home.fiq.se/spork_roleselect.png 11:38 not a curses feature, it just reuses what tty displays 11:38 but yeah 11:38 it was inspired from the above 11:38 which, if it wasn't first, originally was from AceHack 11:39 [backscroll] i remember when FIQ used to try to convince me to add paranoid water/lava to grunthack. miss those days... 11:40 how well does subnautica work under wine? 11:41 I should perhaps pirate it before I consider buying it 11:41 to make sure it actually runs 11:41 having to do this is stupid 11:42 I think steam allows refunding if a game doesn't work (it checks for playtime <1h I think) but you don't get a complete refund 11:46 FIQ you jumping back into active development of FIQhack? 11:47 probably not 11:47 maybe 11:47 :) 11:48 aosdict's 'FIQhack updated' tracker is sad 11:49 <{Demo}> goddamn slashem god sent an angel when i converted the altar 11:49 FIQ so what's keeping you engaged nowadays? 11:49 what project you working on? 11:49 {Demo}: nice 11:49 K2: currently nothing 11:49 looking for work 11:50 as in 'pay me for my time' work? 11:50 <{Demo}> yeah it is nice cause it let me steal its shield 11:50 yes 11:50 dammit 11:50 * K2 puts evilhack back into his pocket 11:50 ha 11:50 :P 11:50 I'd be happy to help for pay ;) 11:51 i have some euro's left over from my ireland trip 11:51 {Demo}: don't they just have a SoR? 11:51 which is kinda meh in slash'em 11:51 <{Demo}> reflection is nice 11:51 <{Demo}> not sure why it would be more meh in slashem 11:51 <{Demo}> oh, twowep 11:51 yes 11:51 <{Demo}> i cant twowep im a nerd necromancer 11:52 you answered your o wn question 11:52 rip 11:52 what is a nerd 11:52 a race? 11:52 <{Demo}> no, just like, not cool enough to be able to twowep 11:52 ah 11:52 :P 11:52 sounds like a slex role 11:53 K2: oh! give me them! I will take well care of them 11:53 <{Demo}> actually, dopplegangers cant twowep but i think necros cant as well 11:53 and use them for useful things like games 11:53 hehehe 11:53 {Demo}: that's like their only disadvantage 11:53 right? 11:53 doppelgangers being unable to twoweapon I mean 11:53 i gave them to my kid. she likes collecting coins 11:54 nice 11:54 most people like collecting coins 11:54 and tbh they look neat 11:54 them and the british pound 11:54 heh 11:54 much more inetresting than american coins 11:54 *interesting 11:54 <{Demo}> they also lose stats a lot i think 11:54 <{Demo}> theres some weird bug with newmaning in slashem where *something* drains down 11:55 that's not a bug 11:55 newmaning fuzzes stats 11:55 <{Demo}> downward 11:55 and if they're at max, the only way is down 11:55 <{Demo}> nah, not cause at max 11:55 <{Demo}> idk, amy said there was something 11:56 <{Demo}> might be hp actually idk 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:02 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 12:03 <{Demo}> its actually funny hard hard slashem nerfs valk 12:03 while proceeding to make a new OP role setup 12:04 <{Demo}> yeah 12:06 random link - if you like Jupiter - https://www.missionjuno.swri.edu/news 12:06 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 12:10 <{Demo}> "tame shadow wolf of Gothuulbe" is my necromancers pet... im like the ultimate edge lord 12:28 * K2 tries to motivate himself to finish the evilhack entry on the wiki 12:28 otherwise when 0.4 comes out, I'll *really* have a ton of work to do on it 12:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33743 12:43 <{Demo}> hmm, kinda wanna try to do an early grun raid 12:44 <@Tone> FIQ: You pretty much get a full steam refund no questions asked if your playtime is under 2 hours 12:44 <@Tone> It's just a form with a few pre written reasons 12:54 [hdf-us] [4k] Eluneth (hackedhead) (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 3630 points, T:562, killed by a dwarf lord 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 grayswandir", on T:34610 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 676 points, T:2023, killed by a leprechaun 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:35548 13:03 @Tone ah 13:03 hackedhead: Fourk doesn't really change that fast these days. 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 helm of brilliance", on T:34883 13:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:39, on T:43058 13:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:43069 13:16 jonadab: it's not even that it changes too fast objectively, just faster than I was able to keep pace with in a way that was still fun for me. 13:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:43248 13:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:43409 13:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:43416 13:33 YANI: buff demon gating while in Gehennom, or nerf it outside of Gehennom. 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:35976 13:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:27, on T:43991 13:39 FIQ: "This iron wand is a wand of lightning! It must be a wand of lightning." 13:39 must be. 13:39 =P 13:39 iron wand of lightning? sounds like electrocution for the zapper 13:40 wooden wand of lightning: single use. 13:40 glass wand of lightning: suitably only for light duty. 13:40 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 13:42 !tell K2 fiqhack updated 13:42 Will do, FIQ! 13:44 :O the counter will tick again! 13:44 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor in Home 1, on T:44643 13:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:44965 13:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on the Plane of Earth, on T:44966 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:61576 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:61707 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:61711 13:58 i guess i should geno krakens now... forgot all about the bless geno change 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1626996 points, T:61725, suffocated by a water elemental (with the Amulet) 13:59 oh well 13:59 so before blessed genocide would just kill monsters on the current level 13:59 what's new 13:59 in evil blessed geno only kills 2 types of monster not the whole class 13:59 had nothing to do with why i died tho 13:59 ah 14:00 petrified by a beholder? 14:00 I'm just reading the scoreboard 14:00 so to get rid of all the bad liches it takes more than one blessed geno scroll 14:00 oh wait that was back on the 20th 14:00 you don't see the beholder announcements? 14:01 nah 14:01 oh ok you're still going on the same game? 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1626996 points, T:61725, suffocated by a water elemental (with the Amulet) 14:01 bro i literally just died with the amulet 14:01 OOOHF 14:02 plane of water was first? 14:02 why don't you see the announcements? 14:02 no they are randomized 14:02 I just saw it 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Hea Dwa Mal Neu), 156 points, T:1324, killed by a spear trap 14:03 i had already done fire andd air 14:03 sorry I didn't read backscroll 14:03 thats nasty 14:03 @luxidream noted that this behavior of water elementals means that you should really wear magical breathing on Water; if you don't, even if you don't get suffocated by the elemental it can drag you out over water and drown you when you get released 14:04 I don't remember water elementals being able to engulf and drown 14:04 I had a fire elemental engulf me in a recent game 14:04 and noted they're much harder... 14:04 ok so these can drown... 14:04 <@magicbymcluxey> spamming your mlg airhorn should still work 14:05 AntiVirus: a feature that was originally in grunthack on gelatinous cubes, then transferred to water elementals too, then I put it in xnethack then reverted it because of complaints 14:05 yeah +aosdict I was thinking the same thing 14:05 ah yeah my first meeting with a fire elemental in Evil was a surprise 14:05 but then again, surprise is good 14:05 I had protected my books and scrolls, so it didn't ruin my wizard 14:06 I'll be sure to hang on to an amulet of magical breathing in my kit 14:06 yeah not a bad idea 14:07 (and what I should have been wearing) 14:07 Choosing between life saving and magic breathing though... 14:07 that's tough 14:08 i should have worn magic breathing. stupid but that's ok. lesson learned 14:08 yep, lesson learned 14:08 in the dungeon you can fight your way out of them. obviously they are tougher like the air elementals are 14:08 you'll make it farther next time. You were almost there. 14:09 oh 14:09 but in the plane of water, you just stay engulfed? 14:09 they probably have a zillion hp 14:09 ah 14:09 I'm not sure what the conditions are for a monster deciding to expel you 14:20 in evilhack i always wear magical breathing on the plane of water 14:20 you can't use a horn to get out if you don't 14:20 yeah 14:20 wand of digging should work 14:20 hell i could have wand of digging death'd the thing 14:21 i didn't think it was actually going to strangle me before i got out (obviously) 14:21 also wand of teleport 14:21 yep 14:21 didn't take it seriously enough 14:21 i think you only get two turns, not sure though 14:22 i'll get back there soon enough 14:22 anyway, i use a horn to keep them away as much as possible. no point in letting them get close enough to engulf 14:22 rebatela :/ 14:22 K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-10-03 13:42 EDT: fiqhack updated 14:22 OMG FIQ 14:22 lol 14:22 FYI - all elementals get a sizable hit point buff on their home plane 14:23 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 14:23 hothraxxa its 4 turns 14:23 grunthack is 3 14:23 and if you're slowed or burdened, it can feel like 2 or even 1 14:24 ah. not something i experienced in evilhack, knowing the perils and all 14:24 i was hasted and definitely not burdened 14:24 K2: are you concerned that this basically means you HAVE to wear magical breathing to not randomly die 14:24 nope 14:25 no it doesn't 14:25 you dont HAVE to do anything 14:25 including play the game 14:25 you can, for example, drop scare monster 14:25 or just avoid them 14:25 which isn't a bad strategy on water, since the portal will float by eventually 14:25 right i could have jumped into the water 14:25 if you're a dual wielding tank like a samurai you can actually kill them fast enough before you suffocate 14:26 if i had warn magic breathing, i would not have had reflection and a turltle with a wand of death could have killed me 14:26 how about the gelcube 8-turn-paralysis-6-turn-suffocate-boom-dead combo 14:26 right...I'll be sure to bring an amulet of magic breathing even if I am a dual wielding tank 14:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 2439892 points, T:45311, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Ardub/xnethack/dumplog/1569464769.xnh.html 14:26 aosdict: ring of free action. good to go 14:26 ah 14:26 yeah at a certain point that's a ring to never take off 14:27 and gelcubes are a lot easier to kill than water elementals 14:27 I'm pretty sure i was wearing free action 14:27 maybe noot 14:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Car Dro Mal Cha), 1887 points, T:6145, exterminated by a fire ant 14:27 if not then yeah 100% my fault 14:27 rebatela: water elementals don't paralyze you 14:27 doesn't matter for water elementals 14:27 oh ok 14:27 right just cubes 14:27 well i know that 14:27 just missed what you guys were talkin abaout 14:28 since we're on the topic 14:28 you all will want to know about this for 0.4 - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c0efa08e30e656f95ee212df0993d748475737d9 14:28 ooooh 14:28 K2: line breaks, learn how to use them :P 14:28 never 14:28 :P 14:28 seen it. those will surely show up on the plane of water 14:28 yes 14:29 guaranteed 2 of them 14:29 but unlike water elementals, if a pool of water is nearby, they'll want to hang out in it 14:29 dope, I can ride a sea dragon through the plane of water 14:29 like an eel or shark 14:29 AntiVirus no, you cant ride while in water 14:30 BUT 14:30 i want to change that 14:30 ah 14:30 if you try you just fall off 14:30 ah 14:30 riding some crazy mount would be a sick way to move through a water area 14:30 anyway, cool new creature 14:31 stash all your stuff in an oilskin sack 14:31 thanks 14:31 drowning and rust...nasty 14:31 took me a bit to figure out how to add a new breath attack 14:31 NUM_ZAP was kicking my ass hah 14:31 yeah no kidding, I took up the practice recently of always using sacks at minimum, and then upgrading to oilskin later 14:31 link to EH scoreboard? 14:32 greased sack if there's nothing else. 14:32 i should have brought gems with me 14:32 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/scoreboard/evil-scores/ 14:32 for all 3 servers see the nethack scoreboard 14:32 scoreboard.xd.cm 14:33 hmm last update is 9/30 14:34 there we go 14:35 bah... i didn't even beat my old score.. I had nothing on me though. almost pushed you out of the top 10 14:35 i'll get it next time... i'm definitely getting "better" for whatever that's worth 14:35 you are 14:36 so what about sea dragon scale mail 14:36 I see this alludes to the scales 14:36 'The scales that sea dragons drop confer magical breathing, and its secondary intrinsic allows the wearer to swim.' 14:36 nice 14:36 ah 14:36 I saw that it the code just now 14:37 K2: you should just say to RTFM at this point 14:37 hah 14:37 so you could just wear that on the plane of water rebatela 14:37 well... my wiki page for eh isnt complete yet 14:37 "It's in the syllabus" 14:37 so until them 14:37 then 14:37 golf-bag some SeaDSM 14:37 antivrus: REALLY? as a monk? 14:37 j/k 14:38 lol 14:38 i got it though. forgive me if i'm a little chippy antivirus. long game 14:38 no worries 14:38 no shame 14:38 need some of those bay area edibles 14:38 Funny you should mention those 14:39 my tin of gummies looked pretty inviting on the way out the door 14:39 gnom gnom gnom 14:39 even with a monks extra attack and increased damage from glove enchantment, i dont think martial arts deals enough damage to kill a water elemental fast enough when engulfed 14:39 decided to have one with coffee 14:39 maybe if you were wearing a couple high enchated rings of increase damage 14:40 they are beefed up on the planes though right? because i most certainly have fought my way out in the dungeon 14:40 like how the air elemenatls are a different beast? 14:40 (only don't instakill) 14:41 it's why i didn't panic or use an escape item. i honestly thought i'd get expelled. 14:41 yes all elementals are buffed up on their home planes 14:43 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:44 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 14:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Daemon, on T:77271 15:05 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 15:30 YANI: Casting detect unseen, in addition to unconditionally detecting all traps/invisible stuff in its radius, also grants temporary intrinsic searching. 15:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:3049 15:39 FIQhack updated (all servers) 15:41 !!!!! 15:42 unfortunately the script that polls for this is stuck on my old server but I'll see what I can do 15:43 I also don't have logs from before march. the counter stands at 4 15:43 !tell FIQ list of compile warnings with fiqhack - https://termbin.com/ahh3 15:43 FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 15:44 aosdict there was one fiqhack update during junethack this summer 15:47 <{Demo}> a fiqhack update??? 15:47 i know right? 15:48 I have may 31, june 5 and june 28 15:49 -!- Reverser has joined #hardfought 15:49 hello 15:49 Hello Reverser, Welcome to #hardfought 15:49 ah 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:4773 15:49 hiya Reverser 15:49 good evening lads (and ladies) 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:30879 15:50 guys any want have a resources for reverse eng and exploit development 15:50 One could see new Joker movie tomorrow 15:50 any one * 15:50 is it worth? 15:51 Reverser: nethack is about hacking monsters, not computers 15:51 Reverser this isnt a hacking channel 15:52 Reverser: you have travelled to a wrong plane of excistence in this IRC realm, this channel is completely about computer game NetHack, not malicious network hacking 15:52 ahh sorryy gguys 15:52 no worries 15:52 I mean, if you want to play nethack, by all means stay 15:53 or join #wAreZ 15:53 <{Demo}> lol 15:54 <{Demo}> this isnt even #nethack, how did this happen 15:54 hmm, this place smells spoiled! 15:54 * NHrsa flees 15:56 this isnt the first time 15:56 it started happening earlier this year 15:56 but yeah its odd 15:56 <@Tone> I've been reverse engineering mechanics and developing exploits for roguelikes for years now 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:01 -!- Reverser has left #hardfought 16:04 so what's the best play to acquire MC if you've already cleared to MT and the big room? 16:04 bottom of mines? 16:04 <@magicbymcluxey> magic cancellation? 16:05 yes 16:06 <@magicbymcluxey> just win with mc1 16:06 didn't yet find any mithril armor (which is how I usually get it in the early game) 16:07 <@magicbymcluxey> you don't have much control over finding a cloak of protection 16:09 and dead 16:09 @magicbymcluxey so you're the guy that got themselves banned from the wiki for continually posting misleading or wrong info yeah? 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a skeleton, on T:31724 16:09 jabberwock in the mines seems really early.... 16:09 <@magicbymcluxey> LOL 16:09 I propose that as long as luxidream is under the magicbymcluxey alter ego, he can only offer bad, ill-founded nethack advice 16:09 ah hell 16:09 i knew it was luxi 16:09 sort of 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh4] kellesseth (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 48316 points, T:13937, killed by a jabberwock 16:10 "half of tins generate trapped, so you should never eat tins" 16:10 <@luxidream> But it was I, luxidream! 16:10 i was about to put the smack down 16:10 hackedhead have a look at this article - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Magic_cancellation 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 148 points, T:773, killed by a giant spider 16:11 <@magicbymcluxey> a great wish is a figurine of a jelly, you can use it to block corridors and escape from enemies 16:12 <@magicbymcluxey> monks should wish for gauntlets of dexterity because they don't hinder spellcasting 16:12 ... OK, that's actually kind of cool (the jelly figurine thing) 16:12 I would totally use one to escape from a too-hard sokoban zoo 16:13 <{Demo}> whoa, random doomblade 16:13 <@magicbymcluxey> if I remember correctly someone said that unironically on GameFAQs a long time ago 16:14 heh 16:15 brb inserting a jelly figurine or two to the Gnomish Sewer 16:15 YANI: Statues of a monster occasionally contain a figurine of that monster inside. 16:16 <@magicbymcluxey> narrow weapons like short swords aren't as good as broad weapons like broadswords 16:16 <{Demo}> thanks 16:16 <{Demo}> ur right, doomblade is a short sword 16:18 <@magicbymcluxey> the best way to fight orcus is to provoke him before driving him to the upstair, then read a confused scroll of teleport which takes you to DL1 16:18 <@magicbymcluxey> then come downstairs and kill him 16:19 these are actual quotes? 16:20 <@magicbymcluxey> "the best way to fight orcus" is real 16:20 <{Demo}> thats a good strat though 16:20 <@magicbymcluxey> no it's not lmao 16:20 <{Demo}> its broad 16:20 did you compile a list of 'best quotes from magicbymccauley' ? 16:21 <@magicbymcluxey> I think I sent one to demo 16:21 pls send 16:21 <@magicbymcluxey> do you still have the link 16:21 <{Demo}> can we get them as rumors? 16:21 i'll incorporate into evilhack as extra false rumors 16:21 <{Demo}> https://pastebin.com/bmpMw1XX 16:21 heh 16:22 <@magicbymcluxey> Elven runeswords (sic) can be enchanted to +9 16:23 <@magicbymcluxey> I'll work on it some more, it's a gold mine 16:23 <@magicbymcluxey> it just gives me a headache to read it 16:24 is the thunderdome one real. I doubt it 16:24 <@magicbymcluxey> the thunderdome one is real 16:24 <@magicbymcluxey> would you like a link 16:24 <@magicbymcluxey> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Artifact_weapon 16:25 omg 16:25 I was gone for the whole artifact weapon showdown 16:25 <@magicbymcluxey> I couldn't come up with this shit 16:25 oh yes 16:25 u mad bro? 16:25 luxi we still getting together this november when i fly to oklahoma? 16:26 !tell LarienTelrunya https://pastebin.com/bmpMw1XX <-- magicbymccauley quotes to mine for slex 16:26 No worries, aosdict, I've got this! 16:26 <@magicbymcluxey> heck yeah 16:26 schweet 16:26 K2: so THIS is how team splat takes down OOTC! Brilliant! 16:26 hahah 16:26 [hdf-us] [gh] Lachtain (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 3188 points, T:3819, killed by a dwarf 16:26 luxi you should be a clan of one 16:26 you'd prob still win 16:28 "Simply because people agree to do the article this way doesn't mean that's how it should be done." lolwut 16:28 <@magicbymcluxey> my team is cool though 16:29 <@magicbymcluxey> anyway if we're having fun you halt clan activities for a while 🙂 16:29 :) 16:29 So since he's banned indefinitely now, we can wipe those talk pages clean now yes? 16:29 NO 16:29 omg leave them alone 16:29 <@magicbymcluxey> need to quotemine them some more 16:29 or archive them at the very least 16:30 doe sthe wiki have a spoiler block function? 16:32 Doubt it. Why would it need one? 16:33 you could wrap all of mbm's ridiculousness into a spoiler block and label it like 'open this if you want to read crazy talk' or whatever 16:33 and that way no one has to sift through it unless they want to 16:33 <{Demo}> if he published a nethack book, I'd buy iy 16:33 see 16:34 <@magicbymcluxey> <@{Demo}> if I wanted to read nethack fanfics I'd play slex 16:34 lol 16:34 <{Demo}> this would be a different genre 16:35 <{Demo}> 50 shapes of grayswandir, not 50 shades of grayswandir like slex 16:37 <@magicbymcluxey> https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Forum:NetHack_Book&t=20160816190356 16:38 K2: I don't understand the genocide-related warnings 16:38 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-10-03 15:43 EDT: list of compile warnings with fiqhack - https://termbin.com/ahh3 16:38 <@magicbymcluxey> Demo: 3 dollars 16:38 also I am having trouble getting gcc to tell me anything for some reason 16:39 i'm using gcc version 7.4.0 on ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS 16:41 I think I fixed it 16:41 the warning problem 16:41 FIQ the do_genocide lines, is a %s missing? 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 495 points, T:1438, zombified by a gnome zombie 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2613 points, T:5519, killed by a gnome 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 3156 points, T:5544, killed by a warg 16:59 <{Demo}> goddamn gothlube gave me WEREBANE 17:03 <@magicbymcluxey> what, because dumblade wasn't good enough? 17:04 <{Demo}> i have bat from hell 17:06 K2: no 17:06 [hdf-us] [gh] Lachtain (Hea Elf Mal Neu), 111 points, T:318, killed by a kobold werejackal 17:07 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 17:07 figured it out 17:07 was it the flux capacitor? 17:08 har har har 17:09 pushed some minor fixes 17:09 very nice 17:10 don't think I've played fiqhack seriously since last year 17:16 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 17:18 [hdf-us] [gh] Lachtain (Sam Hum Mal Law), 350 points, T:786, killed by a dwarf 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 282 points, T:1250, killed by a giant bat 17:24 [hdf-us] [gh] Lachtain (Rog Ogr Fem Cha), 130 points, T:442, killed by a dwarf 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:37414 17:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:38385 17:48 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:25135 17:52 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:52 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:56 K2, why does https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c0efa08e30e656f95ee212df0993d748475737d9 set boil_away for players polymorphed into water trolls? 17:56 I imagine water trolls as being normally fleshy, just amphibous 17:56 not as being made of water 17:59 jilles: The encyclopedia disagrees with that interpretation, but who knows how reliable it is :D 18:01 K2: inserting unmentioned changes like that in commits makes a very confusing git history 18:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:40912 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:41316 18:27 i knew i should have brought the magic rocks to the planes 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:34771 18:33 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:3552 18:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fireproof +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2694 18:49 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 18:49 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:1190 19:08 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 19:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 19:10 aosdict: [Long long backscroll] Actually, splice already implements xNetHack’s water changes, and has done so for a long time :) 19:12 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3640 19:20 jilles I always imagined water trolls as made of water 19:21 aosdict: ah well 19:21 it happens 19:22 looking at the ad&d interpretaion of water troll, or 'scrag' 19:23 they're more akin to a fish than a water elemental 19:23 i should prob revert what I changed for those 19:26 FIQhack updated (all servers) 19:27 :O 19:28 xNetHack updated (all servers) 19:28 aosdict you really need to fix those last 3 compile warnings/errors. they're easy 19:29 * K2 doesnt like seeing compile errors 19:30 hi AntiGulp 19:30 o/ 19:30 Yo o/ 19:30 whats shakin 19:31 Just cooked myself some tasty tofu 19:31 heh 19:31 Trying to stay consistent on my “check 1 item off the SpliceHack etherpad per day” goal. 19:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Dispater, on T:44155 19:31 i tried to do that today but no luck 19:31 i need to focus on tnnt anyways 19:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Belial, on T:44207 19:32 Oh right, that’s coming up 19:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) murdered Hachi, her faithful large dog, on T:4693 19:35 Projection: Splice 0.7.0 drops sometime in November-ish. 19:35 oooh 19:37 Wait it’s october. Scratch that, December-ish. 19:37 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Mammon, on T:44834 19:39 <@riker> that's the second time a legion devil sarge hit me like once and gated a devil lord 19:39 K2: [backscroll] But Terry Pratchett agrees with you about water trolls, and that's what really matters. 19:39 ^ 19:40 K2: I get more than 3 compile warnings, but they're all either vanilla or curses caused 19:40 ad&d > Terry Pratchett 19:40 not in nethack land 19:41 fix the warnings ;) 19:41 i sent you commit links to 2 of them 19:41 few days back 19:41 do you not get a slew of Wchar-subscripts warnings when compiling anything 3.x derived? 19:42 no 19:42 how about all the Wformat-overflow that are everywhere 19:42 vanilla and evilhack compile clean 19:42 what are your warning settings 19:42 stock 19:42 * aosdict uses -Wall -Wno-format-overflow -Wno-stringop-truncation 19:42 you wanna see compile warnings... compile slex 19:43 oh no 19:43 I get like 6, all related to curses. 19:43 Slex’s codebase frightens me. I’ve dug into it before and it’s a lot 19:43 you got those commit links still? 19:43 yeah one sec 19:44 aosdict just scroll back a bit in #xnethack 19:44 they are there, they'll cover the simplemail and whereis ones 19:44 the last one has something to do with 'cuss' 19:45 wizard.c: In function ‘cuss’: 19:45 wizard.c:851:19: warning: format not a string literal and no format arguments [-Wformat-security] 19:45 verbalize(buf); 19:45 Shouldn't I be able to pull these fixes from Tangles' repos or something? 19:45 ^~~ 19:45 wizard.c:865:23: warning: format not a string literal and no format arguments [-Wformat-security] 19:45 verbalize(buf); 19:45 ^~~ 19:45 yeah one sec 19:46 * aosdict creates a new counter for " yeah one sec" 19:46 ah hell its forked 19:46 cant search it 19:46 just use the evilhack commits, its the exact same thing 19:48 * aosdict ran gcc -c -Wall wizard.c and didn't get any warnings, Wformat-security or otherwise 19:49 huh. format-security isn't in -Wall, because manually adding -Wformat-security does give me the warnings 19:49 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 203 points, T:196, killed by a monster (killer bee) 19:49 -Wformat-security must be a stock settings then 19:50 i havent changed how gcc behaves 19:50 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 3 points, T:11, killed by strangulation 19:50 but if its security related... maybe pay attention to it? 19:50 gcc with no W arguments: nothing; with -Wall: nada; with -Wpedantic: zilch; with -Wformat-security: bingo. Weird. 19:51 what OS and version of gcc are you using 19:51 gcc 8.2.1 on arch 19:51 gcc 7.4.0 on ubuntu server 18.04.3 LTS here 19:52 AWS has their own special flavor, so security is prob enabled as default 19:52 makes sense 19:52 omigod, gcc 7.4.0 is like SO out of style. get with the program, gosh 19:52 hahah 19:55 now, I also get an unused variable warning on 'the_args' in livelog_printf 19:57 weird 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:00 I think it's because you have LIVELOGFILE defined and I don't, and I'm compiling the version of livelog_printf that does nothing 20:01 so of course it doesn't use its argument list 20:01 omg, not defining LIVELOGFILE is like SO out of style. get with it 20:01 :P 20:03 silencing that warning is Tangles' job 20:05 rofl 20:05 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Cam Amn Mal Cha), 14046 points, T:1197, killed by a poisoned blast 20:21 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 20:36 i'd rather have a mine town with orctown than a minetown where you go down the stairs and u immediately can't go anywhere else 20:37 hey maybe you'll find a pickaxe in the dungeon before you die and can dig down 20:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 903 points, T:1476, killed by a homunculus, while helpless 20:45 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 20:45 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:52 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1502 points, T:1627, killed by a dwarf 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed platinum yendorian express card", on T:3896 20:54 first fountain wish FINALLY 20:55 dipping... i'm not quaffing fountains 20:55 damn - 528zm for 48 elven arrows 20:58 wishing doesn't add to your prayer timeout as if you had just prayed does it? Isn't it just an addon ? 20:58 (wants to wish again ) 20:59 actually i just want to make holy water 21:00 <@Tone> The extra timeout is far less than praying 21:00 right.. thanks 21:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a crude dagger entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:5338 21:00 that's what i though 21:01 man.... i should wish for spk idenitfy because no general stores but that seems like such a waste... i can always throw stuff in the hardware store 21:05 tone: this comes down to the whole "is monk fun as a spellcaster thing".... I already have pyec (so i have my MR)... I really want to wish for dragonbane (artifact dragonbane gloves that grant reflection and acid resist) BUT 21:05 i feel like i have to wish for PYEC so i can cast 21:05 whoops eota 21:06 converstaion from earlier 21:06 casting sucks without EotA 21:07 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:4589 21:07 <@Tone> heh, yeah 21:07 <@Tone> looks like you made your choice :) 21:07 :) 21:08 i'll find reflection (and dragon hide gloves) 21:08 <@Tone> You can only really do light utility casting and emergency casting with low energy regen 21:08 yep 21:08 and the beauty of the eye is you dont have to wear it to get the regen 21:08 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:09 and obviously the branchporting 21:12 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:12 but if i had wished for dragonbane i'd not only have reflection but like -12AC or something and probably live lol 21:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed the creature in the ice, on T:47186 21:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Leviathan, on T:47186 21:14 Leviathan? sounds nasty 21:16 and yet a kitten would eat it in 1 turn 21:17 that's 1 hangry kat 21:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:47596 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 2276 points, T:4203, killed by a hill orc 21:20 <@Tone> Yeah Dragonbane does sound like the more "optimal" wish there 21:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:47859 21:20 <@Tone> Nothing wrong with the fun wish though :) 21:21 dragonbane is awesome 21:21 i'm hoping for another early wish and i will roll the dice with the 2/3 chance 21:22 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1570 points, T:2232, killed by a baby red dragon 21:22 but i like spellcasting 21:23 if anything dragonbane is the fun wish... i'd just regret it when i start finding tollbane and ogresmasher and bones with sting on the next level and it screws it all up 21:24 the way i looked at it, i can find another source of reflection... if i start seeing artifacts i will never be able to get eota 21:24 Tollbane: you ain't charging ME to go through this dungeon! 21:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 378 points, T:812, killed by a gnome lord 21:26 in vanilla you can wear the eyes of the overworld for MR, but in EH you need to be able to put on towel/bf in one turn 21:26 gotta luv wiz bones ^^ 21:28 (hence the PYEC wish)... Otherwise those first two wishes would have been eota and dragonbane for sure... that's how i had been playing but i kept dying to beholders because i couldn't blind myself/acquire MR quik enough 21:29 eyes of overworld is the bomb in vanilla tho 21:32 monks aren't balanced right in NH. You should be able to wear a robe and a cloak like in slashem. 21:32 that's the whole problem 21:32 everyone else gets a slot for either MR or reflection from dsm 21:32 but on top of that you waste the cloak slot with a robe. it's never been right 21:34 <@riker> eh eyes should block gaze attacks 21:34 that too!! 21:34 they do for archons 21:34 <@riker> *all gaze attacks then 21:35 i almost feel like it's an oversight..... 21:35 <@riker> it's probably blocking widegaze not directed gaze or something like that 21:35 <@riker> I believe tha'ts what dnh did after realizing a monster (demogorgon) basically required you to axe the eyes or else you'd just instantly get annhilated lmao 21:35 if archons gaze attack is blocked from eyes, then so should beholder, magic eye or whatever 21:35 i've thought about doing that 21:36 you're giving up the blindfold slot for the artifact that should block i t 21:36 <@riker> k2: any reason why not? 21:36 at the time i didnt know how, but i could prob pull it off now 21:36 <@riker> "The balrog offhands a spear!ost for aye." 21:36 <@riker> hmmmm 21:36 i never use eyes.. i didn't bother doing quest because it's useless because of how much you need blindfold 21:41 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 21:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 21:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:49557 21:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:49746 21:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:50406 21:47 <@riker> thanks rodney 21:48 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:50 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 21:55 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 3792 points, T:2349, killed by a rothe 21:59 -!- beetcoin has quit [Quit: rip] 21:59 -!- beetcoin has joined #hardfought 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Kni Hum Mal Law), 5640 points, T:6325, quit 22:01 <@riker> !lotg 22:01 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, @riker! 22:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:52335 22:02 <@riker> of course the first one is on the other side of hte level 22:09 <@riker> @d?mortai 22:09 mortai (E) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 125 | Generates: special | AC: -10 | Attacks: 10d10 cast shock, 5d10 claw wet, 5d10 engulf physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, mindless, unsolid, regenerates, vegan 22:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) averted death, on T:52772 22:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:52791 22:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:52814 22:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu), 6286275 points, T:52848, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1569974787.dnh.txt 22:11 <@riker> oh jesus fucking christ that was so sketch 22:11 <@riker> I thought I was for sure gonna die when I did the cheapo amulet on the high altar, at the last minute with 36 hp left 22:11 <@riker> had to drop my bag full of gems and artis too 22:11 <@riker> oh well I got a 9 key I guess 22:13 <{Demo}> yey congrats 22:13 <@riker> was that seriously the lowest scoring dnh asc lmao 22:14 nice riker 22:14 congrats 22:14 <@riker> thanks k2 lol 22:15 <@riker> god, if I didn't get the first altar I'd have been royally screwed 22:15 <@riker> hey I think I made it below the evilhack increased monster gen turn number 22:18 :) 22:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:36108 22:27 <@Tone> grats riker! 22:28 <@riker> ty lol 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 4257 points, T:2177, killed by Ms. Makin; the shopkeeper 22:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8648 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:9311 22:49 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:49 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:34977 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:34990 22:57 congrats riker (hour late) 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:35021 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:35022 22:58 <@riker> ty rebatela, no worries 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 1842 points, T:2438, killed by a bear trap 23:06 <@riker> !role dnh 23:06 @riker: noble 23:06 <@riker> !race dnh 23:06 @riker: clockwork automaton 23:06 <@riker> !role dnh 23:06 @riker: rogue 23:07 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7570 points, T:5680, killed by an ettin mummy 23:08 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:08 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 23:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 23:08 “With great effort you move the boulder. Click! You trigger a rolling boulder trap! A boulder misses you. You hear a loud crash as one boulder sets another in motion!” 23:09 NetHack has Rube Goldberg machines. Who knew? 23:09 A Newton's cradle. Nice 23:09 <@bugsniper> Nice patch idea: if you keep healing yourself inside a monster trying to digest you, your are expelled in a heap of vomit 23:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 greased filth-crusted silver droven spear", on T:286 23:23 Archlich just surrounded me with a cockatrice and two jabberwocks. Eugh. 23:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1554 23:24 Conflict time 23:24 Oh right I have that 23:24 * AntiGulp may have played almost the entirety of Gehennom without conflict 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:137501 23:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38478 23:37 Oh no 23:37 I killed the wizard of yendor over water 23:37 Wand of cold. No problem. 23:37 Yup, just realized that 23:37 Or scroll of earth. 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38492 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Lord Surtur, on T:36265 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:38677 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36280 23:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:38811 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:38813 23:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 filth-crusted premium heart", on T:5471 23:56 filth-crusted? 23:56 You don't want to be hit with that. 23:56 <@riker> antigulp: think poisoning, d12 vs non-sickness (disease) resistant and a chance to instakill 23:56 Wow, nice. 23:56 <@riker> only works on poisonable weapons which apparently a pair of gauntlets of power are NOT 23:56 <@riker> :p 23:57 <@riker> (edged/bladed/pointed ones, but premium heart does deal piercing dmg so) 23:57 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 23:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 23:58 EPI: When you freeze water that a unique item is in and the unique item is expelled from the ice, it usually just moves into an adjacent water square rather than out the top of the ice. 23:58 You might as well leave it in the water though 23:59 Almost at orcus town and the invisible force has only affected me once, as a lawful, and the wizard has been relatively quiet. This is great, but unsettling.