00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:00 ride the horse? ok 00:01 good to know 00:01 -!- rebatela is now known as j__ 00:02 -!- j__ is now known as rebatela 00:18 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:30264 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance named My Absurdly Massive Ego", on T:11574 00:23 hahah 00:24 * Pinkbeast thinks AntiGulp is an underachiever; I think my enormous ego is quite a sensible size. 00:24 http://www.harkavagrant.com/history/chopinlisztsm.png 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1566 points, T:3133, killed by a rock piercer, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:36 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:30371 00:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 greased silver dragon scale shield", on T:12992 00:38 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:38 -!- alex___ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:38 -!- alex___ has joined #hardfought 00:40 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 00:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:55 Suggestions on how to awaken Ixoth? I’ve got a few scrolls of scare monster so I should just be able to stand on the upstairs and kill him, but I don’t know how to wake him up across the level. 00:55 cursed potion of invisibility 00:55 run up and spank his ass 00:56 wait, he doesn't warp, so it depends on level layout? 00:56 Can you jump or make controlled teleports? 00:57 He can too warp 00:57 He can warp, he’s covetous 00:58 I’m a knight, so jumping is on the table. 00:58 Beat him to the stairs by jumping maybe 00:59 I’m just a little nervous since my AC is only -9 and I haven’t done the knight quest before. Gulp. 01:03 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Changing host] 01:03 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 01:03 Oh hi Ixoth 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:14181 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:14241 01:11 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:30938 01:11 \o/ 01:13 rekt 01:19 I like how you still have botspam here. :-) # this is not a joke 01:20 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "can of grease", on T:30994 01:32 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:31244 01:33 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:31253 01:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:16359 01:58 A cloud of gas puts you to sleep! Poes falls into a pit! Poes suddenly disappears! You wake up. 01:58 -!- CharKong has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:59 very lucid dreaming! 02:03 -!- CharKong has joined #hardfought 02:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:04 So I went in the back door to the castle since I didn’t want to fight the courtyard. Somehow, all the soldiers woke up in the meantime, and now the entire courtyard and paths to the wand are filled with soldiers, trolls, and liches. 02:05 its a party 02:06 ISTR I expect the corridor to be full of bastards 02:06 *courtyard, curse you, beer 02:07 *gasp* a cockatrice corpse 02:07 dare i 02:09 It was then that comedy ensued, as I said the night I broke my jaw 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging named Duracell", on T:19390 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict named Creative Name", on T:19391 02:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "+2 blessed fixed speed boots named Asics GT-2000", on T:19393 02:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker named Pinky", on T:19396 02:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "+2 blessed fixed gauntlets of power named golden gloves", on T:19397 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of free action named imtired", on T:19451 02:26 amulet of restful sleep named Blinky 02:41 Rock named Moe 02:43 hey AntiGulp :P 02:44 yup 02:44 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/08e89b60ba4da5e34f3d633121e9e3039649f2b9 02:44 Ooh, interesting! 02:45 Nice work :) 02:45 thanks ;) 02:45 needs more tweaks but its there 02:45 been wanting to do this one for a good long while 02:45 I guess copyediting commit messages is a bit pointless 02:46 did i misspell something again 02:47 yup 02:49 amended and pushed heh 02:49 alrighty... AntiGulp good luck with your game. get some sleep 02:49 gnite o/ 02:49 Oh dang, it’s real late. Yeah will do. Night! 02:53 -!- CharKong has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:55 hah AntiGulp look at this - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/11/commits/868302a78b96baa9fee1f1bf13b4a5bee6977050 02:55 Good job ogmobogt 02:56 hell yeah 02:56 thanks again @Ogomt 02:57 i should just invite you as a contributor 02:57 just apply that patch and they are! ;) 02:58 No-one sends me patches. :-/ 02:58 paxed: as in not having to submit a pull request :P 02:58 * K2 gives Pinkbeast all his patches 02:59 * Pinkbeast applies them all to his tree. WTF, now Sigmund has an amulet of life saving? 02:59 <@Ogomt> no worries 03:00 Ha, caged the priest in a boulder fort. Now I can sacrifice to my heart’s content. 03:01 Didn't I just see a complex description of how to catch the priest? 03:01 *shrug* 03:03 i really should learn how to program properly 03:04 K2: All the C++ I know was learned by cargo-culting DCSS 03:04 ... all the C I know is NetHack's pre-ANSI C 03:04 ^ me 03:05 @Ogomt - is there anything you'd like to see in evilhack? other than just cleaning up my mistakes? 03:05 It's been a bit complex when looking for work; I can make a complex change to ghost behaviour but I can't write Hello World. 03:05 heh 03:06 <@Ogomt> i've been messing around on my fork with material-changing stuff, but it's a long way from being playable 03:06 <@Ogomt> e.g. wand of alteration, changes the material of objects it zaps 03:06 Pinkbeast: fizzbuzz is where it's at, man 03:07 kinda like your midas touch artifact gloves? 03:07 I can do _that_ in Perl but also I'm a terrible Perl programmer. Well, I'm a sysadminly Perl programmer. 03:07 <@Ogomt> that's it :p 03:07 :) 03:07 <@Ogomt> i figure if you have the materials all set up, you might as well do something with them 03:07 Pinkbeast: there are no good perl programmers. but that's because perl. 03:07 paxed: Eh, modern Perl is pretty solid stuff. 03:08 ... stuff I don't know 03:08 a wand of alteration... hmm 03:08 changes just materials or size of objects also? 03:09 <@Ogomt> at the moment, just materials 03:09 as in 'i'm a giant but i cant wear this human sized body armor' 03:09 *zap* oh look a new suit 03:09 <@Ogomt> ooo, that'd be interesting 03:09 hothraxxa would love that hahah 03:10 *zap* The giant is squished to death by his hobbit-sized banded mail! 03:10 (and it'd make giants way OP) 03:10 hahah 03:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:21840 03:10 corset 03:10 Don't give Amy ideas. 03:11 too late 03:11 she reads the logs 03:11 (hi amy) 03:11 i'm sure she's already got corsets in there 03:11 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11 Fleecy corsets 03:11 paxed: the devteam should consider my owlbear makeover :P 03:12 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c7303cc5cad4c13601d2f0a57efd07d1996ac27a 03:12 oh. i need to add a hallu monster, bowlear 03:12 ... you know the exercise in replacing all Lovecraft's adjectives with "spooky"? 03:13 nope 03:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:24954 03:14 "The most spooky thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the spooky mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a spooky island of ignorance in the midst of spooky seas of infinity..." 03:14 hah i need to remember to add 'pit fiend eggs' to hallu objects 03:14 So that, but fleecy 03:15 mmm fleecy 03:15 i still don't know what fleecy bundles are. 03:15 count your blessings 03:15 don't really want to know either, tbh 03:17 "Above these fleecy hieroglyphics was a figure of evidently fleecy intent, though its fleecy execution forbade a very fleecy idea of its nature" 03:17 the horror! 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:25188 03:18 every 7th 'fleecy' has to be accompanied with 'bundles' 03:18 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 244 points, T:718, killed by a giant rat 03:18 In conventional Lovecraft analysis of this kind any two "spooky"s line astern are replaced with "spoooky" 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:23001 03:18 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 03:19 hah 03:19 ok i really need to get to bed 03:19 see you all later 03:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:25529 03:27 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:38 LarienTelrunya: Do read the scrollback :-) 03:40 Pinkbeast: just did, thanks for the fleeeeeeeeeeeecy ideas *bundlebundlebundle!* 03:41 colorless fleecy ideas sleep bundlingly! ♥ 03:42 I was thinking more of Chambers's classic The Queen in Fleece 03:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1983 points, T:2309, killed by a jaguar 03:48 who is the nethackwiki admin again? they should probably be notified that a certain problematic user has clearly stated something to the effect of "once the page protection expires I will put my controversial change back in, completely ignoring the fact that the page protection was put in place because I was behaving in a disruptive way" 03:48 LarienTelrunya: There are a few and I think they know, but thank you for putting it so unequivocally. 03:50 the wiki was fine until he came along, and it would be the best for all of us (and our mental health) if he'd be removed permanently IMHO 03:50 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 618 points, T:1491, killed by a dretch 03:50 I mean, I've said the same but I'm notoriously a stubborn miserable git. :-) 03:51 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 325 points, T:364, killed by a water demon 03:58 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1304 points, T:1518, killed by a giant ant 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:04 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 04:10 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1044 points, T:1699, killed by a human zombie 04:13 K2: thanks for making all those new bundle monsters ♥ I hope you keep adding more! 04:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:40 -!- joes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:45 You see here a club. You feel charismatic! 04:45 probably a night club then 04:49 a night club is a weapon used by the Keystone Kops I guess? 04:50 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 04:56 slightly thicker than a nightstick 04:57 is it intended that I can kick accurately when confused? 04:57 I mean never kick in the wrong direction? 04:58 probably not? file a bug report 04:59 I'll do some more research, it may have been randomly right every time 04:59 (trying to kick a ghost) 05:02 paxed: thanks for blocking that disruptive guy on the wiki. My fear is that he'll start registering alternate accounts to circumvent the block though... 05:03 LarienTelrunya: what kind of changes is he making? 05:03 also wouldnt it be possible to have changed need to be vetted before going through 05:03 alex___: he's constantly edit-warring on the Orcus page, putting in opinions and presenting them as facts, and disregarding anything the other editors say about the matter 05:03 nhwiki has sockpuppets? :( 05:04 i.e. he doesn't seek consent, he just puts in his changes regardless of how many other editors oppose him, and gets in endless arguments on the talk pages 05:04 basically, (IMHO) an all-around bad fit for the wiki and dictionary definition of a troll 05:05 just look at all the trite he wrote on https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Orcus (but careful, it may drain your sanity) 05:05 hahah oh wow how long is this 05:05 too long! 05:06 and he showed no intention of stopping either 05:06 lol dull spellbook of sleep 05:07 but the coronation/culmination was when he blatantly announced "Adding this sentence when the block expires." and "Unless someone can disprove 1-3 I will add the sentence when the block expires.", when it was crystal clear that the page protection was to stop him from vandalizing it. 05:07 He basically said "I will continue my disruptive behavior once the protection against my disruptive behavior is lifted." 05:07 what is it that he wants disproved 05:07 seems like a user new to editing wikis 05:08 they don't sign their posts correctly, they don't quote correctly 05:08 alex___: some bullshit reasons for why his opinion supposedly "belonged" in the article 05:08 what is his opinion then 05:08 winny: that dude has been shitting up the nethack board at google groups earlier and lately decided to terrify the wiki as well 05:08 hmm 05:09 "A secondary method is to dig below Orcus, go up the upstairs and attack him until he teleports away. Proceed down one level, levelport upwards several levels, and go back down, so that you can fight him alone on an upstairs without interference from other monsters in his lair." 05:09 is it this one 05:09 i hope he gets banned, has zero nettiquitte 05:09 alex___: that's the sentence he wants to add 05:09 and the "This 1. Does not necessarily use up bla bla bla" paragraph is the supposed "reasons" for why he wants to include it 05:09 what does he mean when he says "dig below orcus" 05:10 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 05:10 he just found a strategy that sometimes works for him and somehow that makes him absolutely want to have it included in the main article, even though the best strategy is to just whack Orcus with a c corpse :P 05:11 but what does this strategy even achieve 05:11 yeah the "levelport upwards several levels" sounds like a waste of resources to me 05:11 is he digging a hole on the level with orcus? 05:12 much easier to just dig past him, come back up, wait until he warps to you, go downstairs so you're on the stair and he's adjacent, and then beat the crap out of him 05:12 is this somehow faster or safer than killing him 05:12 if that "strategy" belongs anywhere it'd be on the page about monsters that act that way 05:12 it's just another method of getting him next to you while you're on the upstairs, but my method is better because it doesn't use a scroll of tele :D 05:13 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:13 even if scrolls of tele are "common", doesnt mean you dont want to blank or polypile them... 05:13 yep, and wasting one for such a weird strategy seems entirely unnecessary to me 05:13 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14 whatever :) 05:14 in my runs I generally kill Orcus without using up resources, and usually he only gets one wand zap off either, sometimes none at all 05:14 that said, I wonder if anyone ever fought Orcus without having either reflection or MR? because that would sound like an actual challenge ;) 05:15 can you even get that far without it 05:15 if you are lucky to get no purple L (or genocide them) and don't get instagibbed by a lieutenant with a wand of death, it could be doable 05:16 skipping the mines? 05:16 you mean because the gnomes may also have a wand of death? in my games it's somehow almost always a lieutenant that has one, most often on the castle 05:17 i only get gnomes with wod when i cant resist it 05:17 of course, the RNG may be evil but it's not stupid 05:18 if a monster hits me with a wand, but i reflect it, and it hits a peaceful, will it anger him? 05:23 No. 05:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:11 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:24 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3202 points, T:1796, killed by a rope golem 06:25 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 06:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:50 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03 YANI: slex creates a 'magicbymccauley' mode, where all of his ideas and tactics are implemented and the player must ascend the game using these methods alone 07:04 ^ considered slightly worse that 'evil' mode 07:04 wtf, that somehow pinged me? I wonder whether the "slex" string is still set to ping me on this machine 07:05 Slex slex slex 07:05 heh, you mean as in "if you don't use the exact tactic that mbm wants to force into the wiki articles, you automatically die"? 07:05 Andrio: yep, that pings me :) 07:05 My bot's name still highlights me 07:06 can you write a message that contains the "Amy" keyword to see if that pings me too? if I write it myself I don't see the ping because I'm already in the channel when writing it, and this PC doesn't have sound output, sadly 07:06 Sure, Amy... what kind of PC is that? 07:07 hmm that didn't ping me, sadly 07:07 it's the PC in the office; it does supposedly have sound, but it's not working 07:07 but does Amy ping you? 07:07 Ah 07:08 bhaak: sadly not, I wish I could configure it so that it does 07:08 is there an irc command that changes the highlights? 07:08 How does slex highlight you but Amy not? 07:08 depends on the client 07:08 what client do you use? 07:09 well back when the hdf kiwi irc thing was still working, it let me change the highlights, but the "webchat.freenode.net" kiwi client doesn't 07:09 also the hdf client let me easily access fleecy colors for chat text, while now I have to ctrl-K to get a menu with fleecy colors 07:09 -!- EmilyC has joined #hardfought 07:10 You can too add custom highlights here... 07:10 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:10 you can? how? 07:11 Kiwi Settings > Notifications > Highlight on words 07:11 yeah somehow I'm not seeing that option, I can only switch between "highlight on every message/when I'm mentioned/never" and "mute" and "disable message counter" 07:12 mute sounds like a goood option 07:12 ... 07:12 :P 07:12 That's the channel notification settings; you want the one at the top left. 07:12 heh 07:12 it is 07:12 slex slex slex 07:13 K2: yeah that pings me 07:13 i know (slex) 07:13 OH 07:13 found it!!! 07:13 EmilyC thanks!!! ♥ 07:13 slex!! 07:13 ✔ 07:13 No problem. 07:13 lol 07:13 yaaaaaaay 07:13 now "Amy" should also ping me! 07:13 hi Amy 07:13 amy pamy 07:13 yep, works :D 07:13 amy slex fleecy bundles slex slex amy 07:13 -!- EmilyC has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14 oh I guess I should add "fleecy" and "bundle" to my highlight words :P 07:14 \o/ 07:14 and configure it such that those same keywords also highlight me when I'm at home 07:15 dare I ask... what exactly does a 'fleecy bundle' look like? 07:17 bundle should be a few false positives though 07:17 K2: http://www.abload.de/img/fallout3ng2013-01-241g3ux3.jpg *bundlebundlebundle* 07:17 oh boy 07:17 LarienTelrunya i just saw your comment on my sea dragon commit 07:17 i hate you 07:17 larissa das wollluestige maedchen 07:17 K2 why? the sea dragon is very fleecy :D 07:19 anyway the girl in that screenshot has a fleece bundle ;) 07:21 doesn't look that wollluestig 07:21 more angry than wollluestig 07:21 and to 'zerschneiden' someone is difficult with a basy 07:21 I wouldn't expect a girl coming at me with a baseball bat to be wollluestig 07:21 todd pls! 07:21 maybe she'll cut you up after smashing your brains out? 07:22 Herausfall ist so unrealistisch! 07:22 who knows, maybe she also has a knife in her pocket? 07:22 which pocket 07:22 also, doesn't her chinese silk cloth look lustful? <3 07:23 i dont know what wollluestig is, but i want to feel that way 07:23 cuz it sounds cool 07:23 "non existing" might be the proper adjective 07:23 there's so few of that cloth that it could be missing entirely 07:24 K2, its one of the deadly sins 07:24 lust ? 07:24 Πορνεία (porneia) prostitution, fornication 07:25 lol από πότε ξέρεις ελληνικά; 07:26 the last one is 'greek' or 'greece' 07:27 heh, I was asking "since when do you know greek?" 07:27 apo pote zereis ellenika? 07:27 i can read it a bit and i know a few words 07:27 ah 07:27 and since when do you know greek? 07:28 my roommate is learning greek and I always have to test her vocabulary :D 07:28 nice 07:28 modern greek or ancient greek? 07:28 learned it at school, although it was ancient greek and my roommate is learning modern greek, which is quite a bit different 07:29 my favorite part was actually the grammar, which happens to be what my roommate is having the most difficulty with ;) she's really good at remembering words though, unlike me 07:31 χάος is my favorite word ^_^ 07:32 how about αποκάλυψη :) 07:32 apokalypse 07:32 apokalypsie 07:32 yeah nice 07:32 it looks nice 07:34 <{Demo}> a weird Greek snack 07:35 greek looks nice, and nice looks italian :P 07:35 er french* 07:35 damn 07:35 * stennowork hides 07:35 how to fail at a joke in one simple step 07:40 in unrelated news, god is dead 07:41 Did Anhur kill him? 07:42 apparently he died from leukemia 07:43 [backscroll] so who is that EmilyC person who came out of nowhere, offered the correct help, and then quit? 07:43 aosdict: I've been wondering about that too 07:43 maybe from the rld 07:44 maybe IRC has some sort of chat tracking that detects whether someone asks IRC-related questions, and automatically sends staff personnel that will help the person in question? (just a wild guess) 07:44 nah haven't they been around ? 07:44 !seen emilyc 07:45 maybe kiwiirc has their own staff pinged when people mention it 07:45 kiwiirc kiwiirc kiwiirc 07:45 My OC 07:45 If only it had that. 07:48 Ever seen Bruce Almighty? 07:49 nope 07:49 mm 07:49 i only know 'alrighty then' 07:49 and thats about it 07:49 almighty then 07:50 EmilyC's IP was from Australia, that's likely reducing the list of the possible suspects 07:53 I plead guilty. 07:54 <{Demo}> yeah they don't really have enough Internet there to have people you can help cause they need all their bandwidth for themselves 07:55 * Andrio drinks a cursed potion of invisibility. 07:55 <@Umby> Hi 07:55 Hello @Umby, Welcome to #hardfought 07:57 Hey. 07:57 Hello Andrio, Welcome to #hardfought 07:59 [hdf-us] [un] Artorias (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 2955 points, T:2224, killed by a snow ant 07:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:07 <@Umby> I'm wondering where to inquire about the mobile port of NH 3.6.2 08:07 <@Umby> Mainly because I'm wondering about the logfile issue, it hasn't impacted gameplay at all, but I'm wondering if I can get it out of the way before long 08:07 gurr's port? 08:08 https://github.com/gurrhack/NetHack-Android/issues 08:11 <@Umby> Yeah, think so 08:11 -!- ais523_ has joined #hardfought 08:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523_] by ChanServ 08:13 You begin praying to Anhur. You are surrounded by a shimmering light. The pony is killed! You finish your prayer. You feel that Anhur is well-pleased. You feel much better. 08:13 (of course that was the cat killing the pony out of sight, but it's just as if Anhur killed the pony for me) 08:13 <@Umby> I'll report it there once I set aside some time, thank you 08:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:56839 08:19 hi 08:19 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 08:19 [hdf-us] [un] Artorias (Val Hum Fem Law), 418 points, T:1590, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food 08:22 oh wow i just noticed 08:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:57300 08:22 hardfought turns 19 yrs old in less than 3 weeks 08:22 thats old 08:23 si 08:23 do you also play nethack for that long? 08:23 last moments teenager =) 08:23 the nethack part of its history is almost 3 yrs old 08:23 no i mean you personally 08:23 i was playing hack as early as 1985 08:24 oki 08:24 wait i didn't know you were that old already 08:24 hah 08:24 how old di you think i was? 08:25 *did 08:25 stennowork: he already fought in WWII. he might have met your grand father 08:25 like a bit more older than me 08:25 38-ish 08:25 i'll be 48 before end of this year 08:25 ssssshhhhh 08:25 my grandfather fought with the red brigades in spain 08:26 so unless k2 was a faschist under franco, thats a bit unlikely 08:26 so, your grand grand father? 08:26 I am Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod. I was born in 1518 in the village of Glenfinnan on the shores of Loch Shiel. And I am immortal. 08:26 lol 08:26 :P 08:27 best - movie - ever 08:28 my father's grand father was just not old enough at the end of WWII to be part of the so called "active duty generation". 08:29 *the grand father of my father's side 08:30 hmm, my other grand fater might have. but he died before my death. I have to ask my mother about this. I only know the basic dates about him. 08:31 my dad's father was in WWII, signal branch, never saw combat 08:31 my dad served but his tour was after the korean war but before vietnam 08:32 bay of pigs timeframe 08:32 bay of failure 08:32 I fought in the paper wars in the office branch. 08:32 one of his younger brothers (uncle jack) fought in vietnam 08:33 marine, infantry. he never told anyone about anything he did over there except for me and that was only fater i had finished my first tour in iraq 08:33 *after 08:33 some really messed up stuff :/ 08:34 <@Apple O'Day> Oh this channel is just a bit talking to itself 08:34 hi @Apple O'Day 08:34 this is a nethack channel primarily but anything goes 08:34 friends chatting and all that business 08:35 https://www.pbs.org/thewar/at_war_infantry.htm "More than 16 million Americans served in the armed forces during the war. Fewer than a million ever saw serious combat." 08:35 yup 08:35 wonder how they define "serious" combat. 08:35 prob low end at that 08:36 but yeah, support is tremendously important for modern war fare 08:36 its not too late to put kissinger into the hagues war tribunal 08:36 he is still alive 08:36 bhaak: serious combat would be a prolonged fight 08:36 or an event where a lot of people were hurt/killed 08:37 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 08:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 804 points, T:1427, killed by a giant ant 08:39 yeah, it's an odd phrase. you don't need serious combat to be in danger of being killed. 08:39 in that regard, nethack is like real life. one hit is often more than enough. 08:39 vietnam war, the war with so many war crimes and genocide, and yet nobody was apprehended 08:40 usa even _lost_ the war but still no repercussion 08:40 it is amazing 08:40 I'm not sure anybody won that war. 08:44 you could argue no one wins in any war 08:44 depends what your measure of 'winning' is 08:45 like germany lost ww2 and now we have (rightfully) a lot of memorials and holidays and stuff 08:46 imagine i'd say 'the wehrmacht in stalingrad were heros' 08:46 yet there are still people who say 'the american soldiers in vietnam were heros' :D 08:46 mind boggling 08:46 what makes them heroes, killed the most civilians? threw the most agent orange, crippling the civilians? 08:47 i don't understand US-american military worship 08:47 its the sacrifice that makes them heroes 08:47 thats it 08:47 imagine the USA having a public holiday where they remembered the civilian casulties of the vietnam war :D 08:48 its called memorial day 08:48 i thought memorial was for the soldiers 08:48 thats veterans day 08:48 and not for vietnamese civilians 08:48 ah 08:49 so the waffen-SS cleansing poland from jews were heroes too, because they sacrificed something too 08:49 gotcha 08:49 military worship is easy, you don't even have to reflect on what the soldiers actually did 08:49 very convenient 08:49 thats not what I am saying and you know it 08:50 i know that is not what you are saying 08:50 but i know that there are people in the US who think that way and it makes me mad 08:50 unfortunately your perspective is that from a civilian viewpoint only 08:50 spend 3 yrs in a combat zone actively fighting and then get back to me, I promise you your views will change 08:51 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: quit] 08:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1097 points, T:1646, killed by a plains centaur 08:53 anyways 08:54 yeah i don't see anything good and heroic in invading other countries 08:54 there isnt 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 121 points, T:673, killed by a narrow pointy stake 08:55 but the soldiers doing all the actual work and bullshit are the ones making the sacrifices. the people who actually order the invasion dont have to do shit 08:56 i could probably argue that a significant amount of german soldiers during WWII were just doing what they were told. hitler had been spinning his anti-jew propaganda for years prior, of course some ppl will fall for it 08:56 yes, it's called the 'nuremberg defense' 08:56 'look what you made me do' 08:57 we're seeing it now with trump 08:57 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders 08:57 i'm not saying its right or justified 08:57 just saying thats how it is 08:58 so if a superior would tell me to shoot this person, and i'd do it, and get PTSD and other stuff from it, i'd be a hero because i sacrificed my mental health? 08:58 anyway i stop now 08:58 its not a pleasant topic to talk about 08:59 by sacrifice I mean those that died 08:59 but yeah i'm all for changing the topic 09:01 fwiw, the war against nazi germany was one of the easier cases to make for a "just war". 09:01 yes 09:01 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:01 more or less the only one in the last 70 years 09:02 80* 09:02 also the aftermath of getting a democratic nation out of the losing country is a best case scenario 09:02 time flies :-) 09:02 tempus fugit 09:02 although eastern germans might see that slightly different :-| 09:02 mhm 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 337 points, T:970, killed by a werejackal 09:04 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2761 <----- el oh el 09:04 yeah i liked that one 09:04 this is my latest favorite https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2755 09:04 hahah 09:04 with vietnam it's almost ironic that they came around and abandoned communism by themselves. 09:05 omg bhaak 09:05 we've moved on ;) 09:05 don't you know? Swiss are slow 09:05 isn't vietnam still socialist? 09:05 yep 09:05 what is actually amazing is that the vietnamese army liberated cambodia from the khmer rogue 09:05 if you think about it 09:06 * K2 smacks stennowork and bhaak 09:06 focus 09:06 socialist != communism 09:06 or are you a filthly libertarian american who can't see the difference? 09:06 i know the difference :D 09:06 and i am not a libertarian smh my head 09:07 we got a few boat people out of that. vietnamesian immigrants are among the best integrated immigrants there are 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 389 points, T:758, killed by a werejackal 09:08 unfortunately some hoyerswerda nazis had a different 'opinion' in 1991 regarding vietnamese people 09:09 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 09:09 hoyerswerda 09:09 ^ whats that 09:09 a city in east germany 09:09 ah 09:09 talkign about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyerswerda_riots specifically 09:10 scrollback: also played hack/rogue in the mid 80s (and thank u for your service k2) 09:10 hrm.. dont thank me. thank my recruiter' 09:10 lol 09:12 <@Apple O'Day> How come it's just a bit talking and not discord peoplewoof 09:13 there's an irc/discord bridge 09:13 most of the active people are on the irc (read: better) side 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 937 points, T:1317, killed by a wand, while helpless 09:21 [hdf-us] [fh] Gandolf (puck) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 32295 points, T:2282, killed by a gold golem 09:23 * K2 eats an owlbear egg for breakfast 09:23 these suckers make ostrich eggs look small 09:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:38 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38 kind of cozy with that bridge. and yes the irc side is better for sure 09:39 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 09:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:43 * K2 tries to start an irc/discord war 09:44 :P 09:44 K2: wow you were already playing nethack (or its predecessor) before I even existed! 09:44 magic 09:45 * stennowork also didn't exist in 1985 yet 09:45 but in 1986! 09:46 stennowork: ah so you're also 32? 09:46 morn 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 419 points, T:506, killed by a dwarf 09:46 33 since august :P 09:47 its like valley of the dead in here all of a sudden 09:47 is TNNT going to have a submenu with a separate instance of vanilla? I have a very longwinded vanilla game that's going to last until the heat death of the universe. 09:49 hah 09:50 so how do i tell nethack 'you can only pickup x number of this object' 09:50 carry_count(); in pickup.c hurts my brain 09:52 i should work on tnnt, but the stuff we need to do, i dont know how to do. blah 09:52 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:23456 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:24764 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24767 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 990 points, T:1329, killed by a rabid rat, while dragging an iron ball 10:04 ah damn 10:08 <@Tone> bouquet: TNNT already has its own submenu, it's technically a variant separate from vanilla. Your vanilla game should be fine. 10:09 -!- CharKong has joined #hardfought 10:10 bouquet: look for the tournament menu when you first ssh to hdf 10:14 thumbs up 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] sodead (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4820 10:27 I started playing nethack in 1993 so some of you whippersnappers may have been in existence then 10:27 february 1993 to be exact (I remember the circumstances) 10:30 around early 2000s for me 10:30 heh 10:31 but until a few years ago i never got much deeper than minetown 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] MrRight (Val Hum Fem Law), 5904 points, T:3792, killed by a potion of acid 10:31 and i recall having incredibly issues around being burdened when i started playing due to wanting to keep every item, including large boxes... 10:31 Dip a cursed -3 pair of mud boots (being worn) into the fountain? You attract a water nymph! The fountain dries up! │The beautiful water nymph seduces you and helps you to take off your boots. You can move again. The water nymph steals a cursed -3 pair of mud boots! 10:31 totally planned that. 10:32 hehe 10:32 Is it all she stole? 10:32 took a wand of digging as well. 10:32 Oh dear. 10:32 nerf nymphs! 10:32 so probably won't catch her until the castle, but that's only a few levels down. 10:33 not that I really care. Don't want the boots back! :P 10:36 alex___: i never got past minetown until a year or two ago (despite playing hack and rogue and moria and then nh in the 80s/90s) 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:25772 10:37 what changed it for me was just holding off on the mine branch and go for soko first 10:37 back then it was always like a myth whether anyone had ascended. had to download spoilers with ftp etc. i was just a kid tho (just turned 40) 10:37 but i think soko is quite tedious 10:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 351 points, T:1459, killed by a little dog 10:38 you'll reach a point where you can just do it w/out even thinking about it. It's tedious but the rings/wands/food are nice 10:38 plus the excercise 10:39 sometimes you will get a wand of wishing 10:39 yeah, but id rather just have some different dungeon branch than a different game 10:39 well... that's what the mines are for. plus they are both optional. some people don't do either and just dig to the castl e 10:40 though reflection/BoH is almost mandatory 10:40 no not boh 10:40 id rather have it randomly generate an artifact or something at the end 10:42 you can find reflection and boh pretty easily without doing soko 10:42 how? 10:42 sitting on the floor, death drops, polypiling, wishing 10:42 the boh is nice but definitely not necessary 10:43 agreed 10:43 and i sit all the time and on't get no boh 10:43 sitting on the floor? 10:43 +d 10:43 heh 10:43 i mean you find the item sitting on the floor smartasses 10:43 what? you mean i just wasted 20000 turns? 10:43 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 10:43 i thought there's some hidden interaction i missed out on 10:44 since the game is full of it 10:44 same thing with artifacts. I've gone down the stairs to find Grayswandir lying there. VERY rare but it has happened (once) 10:44 has anyone ever used a cursed unihorn to get confusion? do I end up wielding it when applying one? 10:44 i've done it... it's dangerous though 10:44 no but you could end up terminally ill 10:44 make sure you can cure sickness very quickly 10:45 i like learning some spell early for that purpose 10:45 ic - so if I have a blessed unihorn and a cursed one, that's usually sufficient? 10:45 yes 10:45 but 10:45 usually 10:45 in theory you could die 10:45 if the blessed unihorn doesnt cure you fast enough 10:45 well 10:45 yeah - early spell much better, but I ended up with early speedboots + late spell read so may be far from forgetting 10:45 eucalyptus 10:45 ic 10:46 yep or holy water/full healing (blessed xtra healing? ) 10:46 or cure sickness 10:46 yeah sometimes you get all good spells and forget to forget one 10:46 oh - holy water will work to heal? didn't think of that - TY! 10:46 cursed scrolls of confusion will confuse you 10:46 whats your alignment though 10:46 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 10:46 I'm lawful 10:46 blessed healing works. extra or full doesn't need to be blessed 10:46 ahh ok 10:47 getting close to attempt ascension - may have to burn turns to forget 10:47 if you can write confusion and have some cursed paper, it's safer than the unihorn 10:47 you play evilhack and don't know this by heart? how are you still alive? 10:47 lol 10:47 i die a lot if you haven't noticed 10:48 write cursed confusion sounds like another good idea - have tons of holy H2O though - if quaffing that works, may go that route 10:48 stale eggs work but you need to be sure they're not footrice 10:48 in case blessed unihorn doesn't work 10:48 also tripe 10:48 tripe sometimes 10:48 oh - tripe - rofl 10:48 damn - u guys are creative! 10:48 heh... it doesn't always work though 10:48 well any corpse *can* cause confusion 10:48 <@Umby> sometimes you don't get a certain item in a playthrough and have to make do 10:49 i wouldn't plan on using tripe on the planes 10:49 nor would i 10:49 hehehe - right 10:49 <@Umby> or you just wanna take note of multiple methods so you can adjust more on the fly 10:49 there's always booze and potions of confusion 10:49 <@Umby> ^ 10:49 those are the best for sure (or the scroll) 10:49 <@Umby> I've been maining priests lately, there's usually a "junk" spell I end up forgetting 10:49 yes, got a few booze, but not enough - cursed scrolls of confusion will have to be written 10:50 <@Umby> I avoid relearning it specifiically for a reliable means of confusion later 10:50 <@Umby> if applicable 10:50 usually the oracle level can be a source of junk spells 10:50 ok - preparing for final run to VLAD and then towers - thx guys ^^ 10:50 sometimes youre just plain out of luck though 10:51 yeah.. usually that's what happens but every once in a while you get all good spells and forget to learn a junk one.. a lot of times now I'll just bless and read an unkown spellbook early just to make sure 10:51 thing that sucks is, I've had more than one YASD from random reading of an uncursed spellbook... 10:51 need to bless 10:51 damn - stupid me - rofl 10:52 so obvious - y didn't I think of that 8^P 10:53 your int+4 + half your xplvl and then subtract the spelllvlx2... whatever number that is you have to roll on a d20 to read (otherwise bless) 10:54 some roles casting goes by wisdom, but it's still int to read. kind of annoying but is what it is 10:55 <@Umby> yeah, don't just read random books midfight 10:55 <@Umby> You always make sure you're somewhat safe before you do things like remove armor, etc. 10:55 <@Umby> I try not to read unblessed spellbooks unless I at least have some lenses 10:59 my barbarian picked up Healing and Cause Fear 10:59 that sounds like a good diea 11:00 playing lawful melee's almost feels like cheating (with relatively easy access to Excalibur) 11:00 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:02 <@Tone> Level 1 and 2 spellbooks are essentially safe to read uncursed, the failure effects aren't too bad 11:02 <@Tone> Anything above that I wouldn't read at less than 100% success chance 11:03 pretty much 11:04 you can lose the book though (even the low lvl ones right? 11:04 i don't like getting teleported and paralyzed 11:05 the flip side of that is you can purposely read a book as an escape item in a very desperate situation 11:06 <@Tone> Yes that's true rebatela, the spellbook can be destroyed 11:07 iirc both the level 2 and level 3 effects are safer than the level 1 one 11:07 meaning level 3 books are safer to read than level 2, which is safer than level 1 11:08 <@Tone> Stennowork: maximum paralysis for a level 1 or 2 spellbook is 3 turns 11:08 IIRC I moved some of the failure effects around in fiqhack, so teleport+paralyze is a higher-level failure effect in fh 11:08 <@Tone> It's essentially entirely safe if you are smart about it 11:09 stillllll 11:09 yeah that formula isn't as hard as i probably made it look. easy to do in your head 11:09 i dont want to be smart 11:12 if I'm a non-caster/late-caster, I like to sell my spellbooks in the early game (for AU) 11:13 but reading one for escape is a very clever idea! 11:13 FIQ: Level 3 books can still give you a level 1/2 effect. 11:15 yeah, eraserhead, I usually sell my spellbooks even as a caster. Because i need the money in the very early game. By 20,000 turns when you need to read again, money isn't usually an issue 11:16 read them (then sell them ) i mean. for protection money and dropping the weight 11:16 I'm SO ADDICTED to %oMM and cursed scrolls of tele for Gehennom - NH/Gehennom is a total drag without them 11:17 <@Tone> Level 3 books are as safe to read imo because they can paralyze for up to 12 turns iirc 11:17 <@Tone> aren't 11:17 <@Tone> The blindness effect can also be pretty bad early on if you don't have any good ways to deal with it 11:18 argh - friendlies in the way in Vlad's tower - I always forget if I can lose telepathy if I kill a friendly (does lawful have anything to do with it?)... 11:19 <@Tone> Teleportation really is arguably worse than many of the effects though 11:19 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:19 <@Tone> You can kill friendlies if they aren't always-peaceful @s, eraserhead 11:19 <@Tone> Murder is what removes your intrinsic telepathy 11:20 ah - ic - ty rld 11:20 and if you polymorph an always-peaceful @s, they are no longer an always-peaceful @ ;) 11:20 neither peaceful nor @ 11:21 (most likely) 11:21 :: kills temple newt :: 11:21 lol 11:21 I swapped the paralysis and confusion spellbook failure effects, which seems a lot fairer IMO 11:21 the sacred and venerable temple green slime 11:21 <@luxidream> rld isn't a person 11:21 (any book can confuse you by failing, only level 5+ can paralyze and they do for a fairly long time) 11:23 gonna grab me candles and just rush Vlad this game - too boring grabbing loot that I don't need... 11:23 <@Tone> That seems like a reasonable change aosdict 11:23 what sucks, though, is having to chase vlad all over the place if I don't kill him fast enuf 11:24 <@Tone> It makes reading spellbooks far less dangerous though 11:24 <@Tone> Which so good or bad depending on where you think the balance belongs 11:24 <@Tone> Which is* 11:26 <@Tone> The current spellbook failure paralysis effect is bad enough to leave no room for intermediate strategy though, generally the only good option is to bless nearly every spellbook that you don't have 100% success on 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:27007 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:27008 11:27 always wondered if %oSM works in the planes... 11:27 <@Tone> It does 11:28 <@luxidream> food ration of super market? 11:28 @Tone I don't WANT reading unidentified low level spellbooks to be possibly game-ending. 11:29 actually in xnethack if i know a spellbook isn't cursed i pretty much always read it regardless of level, etc 11:29 Casters who find low level spellbooks should mostly be able to use them without having to wait until midgame when they can bootstrap up a stack of holy water. 11:29 taking reasonable precautions of course 11:29 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:30 <@luxidream> casters? in nethack? that's impossible 11:30 Spellbooks could just tell you the failure chance on the spine 11:31 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:31 i wish they said how many times they've been read/poly'd etc. on the spine 11:32 aosdict turn spellbooks into audible books 11:32 problem solved 11:32 <@Tone> @luxidream I tried so hard to play a caster last game - I even wished for a robe if you remember that - and I ended up using no spells because there was no point 11:32 rebatela: mine do 11:32 yeah i "name" them too 11:32 'You put on your headphones and push play! You learn magic missile spell!' 11:32 <@Tone> I got my useful spells too late that game though 11:33 <@luxidream> K2: I'd rather not have to wait 1000 turns for it to be slowly explained to me, thanks 11:33 a spellbook once read is called by the turn number followed by the dlvl where i leave it, and named the number of times read/polyed 11:33 <@luxidream> yeah Tone, there are no casters in nethack except maybe wizard 11:33 <@luxidream> and that's very debatable 11:33 monks can get basic in every school 11:34 (and more in some) 11:34 1000 turns? you a slow learner? ;) 11:34 <@Tone> Can you play a reasonable monk caster without EotA? 11:34 <@luxidream> K2: it takes that long for the audiobook to finish 11:34 tone: good point 11:35 but audiobooks dont exist in nethack 11:35 so how do you know its 1000 turns 11:35 <@luxidream> ... 11:35 .... 11:35 ^ dramatic pause 11:35 <@luxidream> because audiobooks take longer than reading it yourself 11:35 <@luxidream> :p 11:35 i ascended a casting dwarf valk in xnethack 11:36 but you can be doing other things while listening 11:36 this was before aosdict got his casting logic straightened out 11:36 <@luxidream> right, it keeps talking as you explore 11:36 <@luxidream> 1000 turns later you finally learn the spell 11:37 your batteries are getting low. you can barely hear the audible spellbook. 11:37 hothraxxa: Valks arguably should be able to build as casters, too. Not that any variant's taken a lot of steps away from vanilla on that. I think Fourk has gone the farthest. 11:37 The DRM on your spellbook runs out! --More-- 11:38 i don't have a problem with roles that are limited to melee, or casting if there were one 11:39 i did that because you asked me if it could be done 11:39 <@luxidream> aosdict: why should valks be able to build as casters? 11:39 because it's his variant? 11:39 anyway, they can't any more 11:39 Because there are already several roles that can't really build as casters and are usually limited to mostly or totally melee. 11:40 Bar and Cav especially; to a lesser extent Kni, Sam, Val. Non-caster non-melee roles are Ran and Rog. 11:41 (Ran and Rog aren't totally non-casters either, but you don't usually see them using a ton of spells.) 11:42 casters are fun... ...until they get nerfed by carrying the Amulet 11:42 healers are really gimped though - being only able to cast healing spells decently 11:43 healers are the red-headed stepkids of nethack 11:43 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:44 ok - not being able to see the cockatrice any more while wearing a =oConflict in Wiz Tower treasure room is NOT a good sign - not a good time to get potentially whacked by a rubber chicken 11:45 i've gotten stoned in that very spot 11:45 妳好 paranoia 11:45 why are you even there? 11:45 also have found bones there 11:45 statue bones 11:45 nethack paranoia 11:45 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 11:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:45 <@luxidream> aosdict: but all roles in nethack are already melee 11:46 cuz there's always a cockatrice with gloved soldiers around 11:46 <@luxidream> you can't even think about casting unless you luck into some great spellbooks 11:46 I've also been stoned while wielding a rubber chicken and falling into a pit in that room 11:46 heh.. yeah that too. need to levitate when ya do that 11:46 i almost never do rodney's zoo. by the time you get there you should be able to levelport to the top of the tower from the bottom 11:46 ok - spotted da rubber chicken 11:46 same thing if you're ever stoning orcus... pits all around 11:46 yeah, I thought wizards are too strong in melee and too weak at spellcasting 11:47 just gonna put him in the bag - no reason to get sloppy this late 11:48 mumak + gelatinous cube = not a good combo 11:49 maybe I can rush Rodney and whack him w/rubber chicken 11:50 the thing is, like tone said, you really need the EotA to spellcast... And you just need to carry it for the PW regen. But then it comes down to arti-wishing, which people are opposed to 11:50 monks, priests, knights (esp. if you convert to neutral!) can all be great casters 11:51 <@luxidream> people aren't opposed to artiwishing I think 11:51 not coincidentally those are the only roles i play 11:51 I'm not!! lol 11:51 <@luxidream> it's just that there aren't many situations where you can 11:52 many people are though, and kind of shun those who do as if it's not the way the game is intended to be played 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:27547 11:52 no - whacking Rodney over the moat would not be a good thing 11:52 hell ya eraserhead ! 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:27549 11:53 it's not the end of the world... wand of cold and it floats to the surface. scary the first time you do it though lol 11:53 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54 you can also teleport the book if that happens 11:54 rebatela: nethack is a solitaire, so it's entirely up to you what is intended 11:55 if someone disapproves, so what? do you feel guilty? 11:55 of course. But if you weren't supposed to arti-wish, you wouldn't be able to.. Just like you can't wish for ANY artifact. Has to match alignment etc. And you get blasted if not right role. It's not like some cheat 11:55 oh hell no lol 11:55 oops - went out of order this game - usually I go back to camp to do a final alchemy boost of HP before taking out Rodney - gonna have to remember to do that later on the way up 11:55 got too exciti 11:55 I disapprove of Elbereth and Helm of Opp. ALignment. BUt nobody cares haha 11:55 ed 11:55 excited w/the prospect of feeding R some rubber chicken 11:56 i'm not losing sleep because someone thinks i shouldn't wish for the eye. trust me 11:56 i don't use those techniques either, but i don't look down on those who do 11:56 me neither 11:57 i do find it odd that some of the people who DO use those techniques think artifact wishing isn't playing straight tho. I don't judge how anyone else plays 11:57 <@luxidream> I've never heard anyone shun artiwishing 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:27564 11:57 eh, it happens 11:58 I shunned artiwishing 11:58 <@luxidream> yes, a lot of new players will want to artiwish when it's not the best choice 11:58 yes but you don't condemn those who do, i think 11:58 <@luxidream> no, it's up to you to decide how you have fun 11:58 exactly 11:59 @luxidream [backscroll] Adding Spork's amulet of power would probably alleviate a lot of artiwishing demand for casters. 11:59 yep 11:59 I mean, I shunned quartiwishing because I think it's (insert word of your choice here if you object to "cheating"), not because of effectiveness 11:59 ... I also wouldn't burn a wish on a non-quest artifact but that's just because it's a waste 11:59 if it was cheating, the wish wouldn't work... they've had enough time to change it at this point 11:59 in games like nethack, "cheating" is any behaviour that makes you feel guilty. otherwise, it isn't cheating 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 and note, that makes it a personal thing 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:27670 12:01 so if i play locally and save-scum, it's only cheating if i feel guilty about it 12:01 rebatela: That's not necessarily a valid premise because the devteam operates at a glacial pace and there was about a 10 year gap of almost no development 12:01 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 12:01 * stenno tries to play without breaking alignment 12:02 like, without getting negative alignment 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:27682 12:02 but it's obvious some thought has been put into it... I can't play neutral and wish for the mitre. It's not like it's an oversight that people are taking advantage of 12:02 <@luxidream> hothraxxa: by your definition, reading a blessed scroll of punishment is cheating 12:02 heh 12:02 or eating meat as a monk 12:02 [hdf-us] [un] Artorias (Val Hum Fem Law), 4219 points, T:3460, killed by an enormous rat 12:03 if you interpret alignment malus as 'something your character wasn't supposed to do' 12:03 if the game allows it, its not cheating 12:03 exactly, even if unintended 12:03 this is why conducts exist 12:03 bingo 12:03 K2: that means bug exploitation isn't cheating? 12:03 hothraxxa: uh no? 12:03 so eternal c corpses from iceboxes? not cheating 12:04 'i could have done x y and z but chose not to. look how awesome I am' 12:04 <@luxidream> astral call? totally legit 12:04 well it wouldn't be cheating but 12:04 bug abuse 12:04 <@luxidream> splicehack T:1 ascensions? rule 12:04 sure 12:04 its not exactly cheating but close neough 12:04 <@luxidream> real* 12:04 enough* 12:04 was the bug intended? no? then its technically something that's 'allowed' or at the very least, not intended 12:05 bugs tend to not be intended :) 12:05 so until bug is fixed... 12:05 by the way, have splicehack T:1 ascensions appeared in the bug hall of fame 12:05 i think so yeah 12:05 it does 12:05 its already in the bug hall of fame 12:06 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bug_Hall_of_Fame#Splicehack 12:06 can you wish for quest artifacts in xnh? 12:07 ah - mysterious force for lawfuls - my favorite part of the game... ...not 12:07 'At one time, reading a non-blessed scroll of earth would cause an infinite number of boulders to fall on you.' <--- FIQhack 12:07 i remember that one 12:07 Mandevil got screwed out of a decent game from that bug 12:07 In theory, you could have Juiblex (who is chaotic) carry the Amulet upstairs for you. 12:08 he is still affected by the force 12:08 Yes, but not as strongly. 12:08 use the force luke 12:08 mm~ 12:08 <@luxidream> monsters can only get sent down 1 level iirc 12:09 <@luxidream> regardless of their alignment 12:10 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:11 I guess mysterious force will burn some turns for me at least (haven't forgotten my spells yet) 12:12 101 +6 shuriken. sweet!! 12:12 hehehe 12:12 i have like 5 in my game lol... monks get the multishot too. I should have poly'd for a bunch. usually try to 12:13 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14 I've only gotten up to skilled/no expert yet - but should be enuf 12:14 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:14 [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo (Und Dop Fem Cha), 7610 points, T:3327, killed by an ettin mummy, while helpless 12:15 i think one time the MF pushed me back down something like 30 times 12:15 *this close* to rage quitting heh 12:15 * stenno actually ragequit on the asc run once 12:15 w/so much MF, I'm more susceptible to starvation vs being slain 12:16 Friend of mine ragequit to a Planes summoning storm 12:16 i had that happen once in sporkhack 12:16 'number of levels forced back' should be in the xlog 12:16 plane of fire 12:16 i didnt quit but i splatted 12:16 so many archons 12:16 ok outta 40's... ...for now 12:17 my worst mf experience was having to cross orcustwon 16 times 12:17 woah - unmapped level - must've fell thru a trap door earlier 12:17 I think there's a secret bit of code that makes it go off more at Orcus :-) 12:17 i was a healer, so neutral 12:17 Pinkbeast: i share that thought 12:17 <@luxidream> asmodeus is the worst 12:18 <{Demo}> wait what happened to rebatelas run 12:18 <{Demo}> i fell asleep 12:18 so did i 12:18 did i ascend? 12:18 <{Demo}> !lastgame rebatela 12:18 {Demo}: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/xnethack/dumplog/1569518749.xnh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/dnethack/dumplog/1567799550.dnh.txt 12:18 i'm at valley of the dead 12:18 <{Demo}> oh 12:18 building up courage 12:19 ok - guess zapping myself w /otele doesn't work w/amulet 12:19 it does on non non-tele levels 12:19 if there's one thing i think the devteam should take into consideration as a major change to the game, it should be remving the MF and replacing it with something else 12:19 waste of charges tho. save them for astral 12:20 <@luxidream> remove gehennom 12:20 personally i like what lorimer did for sporkhack, and that's why grnuthack and evilhack have the same solution 12:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo (Und Dop Fem Cha), 342 points, T:1226, killed by a rabbit 12:21 @luxidream remove hell? but them where would all the demon bosses live? 12:21 *then 12:21 <{Demo}> Look, that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide! It's a killer! 12:21 <@luxidream> put them in the four corners of castle 12:22 too much MF - will finish this one off later tonite - cyas 12:23 good luck 12:23 ty 12:23 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:27 stenno: [backscroll] anyone willing to put the number of levels forced back in the xlog is willing to remove the force entirely. 12:28 enough with the archons on the upstairs... grrrr 12:28 hothraxxa: How does Fourk take away from Valk spellcasting? 12:28 PS dear variant developers, can NetHack have morgue files that tell us about all the things that happened? 12:28 aosdict: hmm probably 12:29 I thought I pushed them MORE in that direction. 12:29 Pinkbeast: You mean like NH4 save/log files? 12:30 jonadab: Well, I mean like DCSS morgues because I'm that annoying person who won't shut up about DCSS, but let me look at an NH4 one... 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2823 points, T:3427, killed by a dwarf 12:30 <@luxidream> 98013 | Geh:4 | Noticed Asmodeus 98020 | Geh:4 | Killed Asmodeus 12:31 Yes, more of that, please 12:32 so like livelog? 12:32 jonadab: not sure why you're asking me. i didn't say anything about that 12:32 In the past when writing up NH games I've found I've had to do it largely or entirely from my notes 12:33 anyway i hafta go to lunch, back later 12:33 stenno: Quite - if it's worth livelogging it's worth going in the game's log 12:33 also there is at least the events bitfield 12:33 right 12:34 "On T:44032 you lost the Amulet of Yendor." "On T:44032 you offered the Amulet of Yendor to The Lady and ascended to the status of Demigoddess!" well _technically_ they lost it _but_ 12:35 it wouldn't be hard to extend livelog code to writing into a file, but I'm not sure if anyone besides Pinkbeast would be interested in actually having a file like that. 12:35 would be cool if it was machine readable :D 12:35 <@luxidream> I would, it'd be nice to go over game highlights in a dumplog 12:36 <@luxidream> I'd rather have mine in realtime over gametime but you can't have everything 12:36 we can put it on Tangles' plate since he is the livelog man 12:36 yeah its cool 12:36 Taking a closer look at the NH4 one it seems like it does more or less what I'd like already 12:36 <@luxidream> aosdict: any way you could steal the realtime clock from dnh 12:38 This would also probably require adding more livelog targets for things that aren't interesting enough to report in a channel but would be recorded in the log. 12:38 Like, going up and down stairs. 12:39 Are there any variants that redefine rnz to be sane? 12:39 I'm kinda curious what kind of distribution you might replace it with 12:40 <@Tone> The new Cogmind dumplogs are pretty sweet: https://pastebin.com/KhQS3XwY 12:41 <@Tone> The developer wrote a four-part article about making it, and comparing other games' morgue files 12:41 <@luxidream> this is 1200 lines 12:41 PavelB: Not to my knowledge. 12:42 I just grepped for it; it's used in less places than I thought. 12:42 <@Tone> 1200 lines of sweet sweet game data 12:42 hahah new TNNT achievement - Mysterious Force Warrior 12:42 will Archon figurines be of help on Astral ? (EH). I'm at the top of the dungeon... couple wishes left 12:42 or call it 'use the Force, Luke' 12:43 x number of times you're kicked back because of the MF 12:43 could wish for another marker and write more cursed geno for worms.. currently have 5 12:43 K2: That's actually a good achievement :-) 12:43 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:43 \o/ 12:43 <@luxidream> you can get it on purpose too :V 12:43 yay i had a good idea! :) 12:43 <@Tone> How else would I know how many robots I melted on level -6 12:43 Not number of times, though, number of levels 12:43 even a broken clock is correct twice a day... 12:44 rebatela: archon is always a good pet 12:44 that would be a nice trophy 12:44 i always get them killed. But never have actually had them on astral that i can recall 12:44 otoh you can probably grind for it 12:44 <@Tone> Don't make it a trophy, you could farm it 12:44 Yes, achievement not trophy. Only counts once. 12:44 <@luxidream> go upstairs 12:45 <@luxidream> if you didn't get MFed go back downstairs 12:45 yeah but you'd have to be some kind of sadist to want to farm the MF 12:45 <@luxidream> try again 12:45 <@luxidream> *masochist 12:45 <@luxidream> FTFY 12:45 whatever 12:45 If people will play extinctionist they'll do anything 12:46 rebatela: give your archon a ring of slow digestion 12:46 <@luxidream> Pinkbeast: what's worse, mega zigging or extinctionist? 12:46 it'll wear it 12:46 no more worrying about it being engulfed 12:47 Extinctionist (I say with the confidence of someone who's done neither). It takes longer and the risk/tedium ratio is considerably lower. 12:48 Reading the Cogmind development blog it seems like the author looked at DCSS, DoomRL, Angband, and ADOM then crammed in all the features of all their morgue files, which is presumably why they're 1200 lines long. 12:48 <@luxidream> mega zigging has no endpoint 12:48 oh wow. that's a great idea. i guess i can give him mine since i won't be wasting a ring slot on SD 12:48 Nominally but I assert without proof that even the longest megazigging took less long than extinctionist... lemme see if I can find the game with all the rings of the Octopus King 12:49 I'm sure it will backfire and one of my purple worms will eat the archon 12:49 I need to go with one strategy. or teleport all the worms away and then apply the figurine 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3166 points, T:5688, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted manes, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:50 <@luxidream> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/luxidream/luxidream.txt 12:50 Handy for you that gold has no weight over there :-) 12:51 <@luxidream> well, considering I can carry several backup plate armours 12:51 <@luxidream> I'd say a small loan of a million gold isn't that much 12:52 <@Tone> Pinkbeast: I believe it's so longer because they wanted to fit in every possible data point. The end goal is to be able to upload that text file to a web server and have it populate a query-able database. 12:53 <@Tone> so long* 12:54 hothraxxa: Oh, sorry, someone else was addressing you, and I got mixed up. 12:54 Pinkbeast: I don't know enough DCSS to know what "morgues" are as such. 12:55 Well, I'm wrong - the first extinctionist I found is at T:155162, under 1/3 as many turns 12:55 That seems _fast_ for extinctionist. 12:55 jonadab: A slightly confusing term used for a character dump whether the character is in-progress, won, or dead. Luxi's link above is typical of them except that it is very long. 12:55 Though I suppose the use tricks like summon monster to speed things along. 12:56 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:56 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56 Pinkbeast: So is that like a save file, or like a dumplog, or something else? 12:56 It's funcrunch and she doesn't discuss methodology, alas. 12:56 In terms of how it's used. 12:56 It's like a dumplog. 12:56 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:56 Ah. 12:56 So like adding the history to the dumplog. 12:56 That would be _possible_ to do. 12:57 It's not intended to be machine-readable although wizard mode makes a heroic attempt to do it 12:58 Actually, huh. It looks like NH4 _does_ put the history in the dumplog. See under "History has recorded:". 12:59 Yeah, that NH4 one is pretty well what I'd like and I was pleasantly surprised to see it 12:59 Another extinctionist at 200k moves 13:02 luxi: It strikes me it'd be nice if all skills and actions at XL 25+ weren't smooshed together in one column, maybe I'll do something about that... 13:04 bhaak: are you here? I want to ask you something about junethack but it's slex-specific and I don't want to disrupt the conversation in this thread, can you please join the slex channel? :) 13:04 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 13:07 jonadab: An inobvious feature may be that the DCSS one logs times you nearly died; it's inobvious because the default setting for the option is barking mad. This would be a nice feature in NetHack dumplogs but is harder to do. 13:07 Pinkbeast: You'd have to find some programatic way to define "almost died". Though I think burning an amulet of life saving does go in the history, IIRC. 13:08 <@luxidream> when you take damage that could have killed you but didn't 13:08 It wouldn't be hard to add specific cases of almost dying (e.g., hearing the howling). 13:08 You can't get 'em all, but you could get low HP, slimed, stoned, deadly sick... 13:08 Sure. 13:08 <@luxidream> I would say taking a damnation blast at 59 hp counts as almost dying 13:08 Missed by a WoDeath with no MR (but now I'm getting silly) 13:09 I mean, there's always going to be a way to almost die that you didn't think of. That's the kind of game it is. 13:09 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:10 Getting _very_ silly, and I'm not proposing this, the game could, after every move, rerun the monsters' moves $bignum times and see in what proportion of those reruns you died. 13:10 ah, the monte carlo method 13:11 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 13:11 But that's a different kind of "almost died" to "I had a lethal status effect but cured it" 13:11 get HYPE nethackers 13:11 !booze all 13:11 * Beholder tosses all a schooner of the hard stuff, prayed over by the late Pinobot at 101 degrees Fahrenheit. 13:12 <@luxidream> rip pinobot 😦 13:12 @v?mind flayer 13:12 mind flayer (h) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d4 weapon physical, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int | Alignment: -8 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, seeinvis, infravisible 13:12 huh? pinobot works 13:13 pinobot was like a father to me 13:13 !players 13:13 jonathanhanes_: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] Karnac [nh363] sodead [nh363] Heliokopis [gh] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:14 <@luxidream> !whereis sodead 13:14 @luxidream: [hdf-us] sodead [nh363]: (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) T:11032 Sokoban level: 6 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 600 points, T:1121, killed by a hill orc 13:19 boromir no 13:19 wait boromir wasn't a priest 13:19 aosdict: count doesn't seem to work for dropping from a stack (of daggers) 13:19 in xnethack. 13:20 d13a -> You drop 14 daggers 13:20 d10a -> You drop 14 daggers 13:20 :-\ 13:21 It works if you press ? first 13:21 d - ? - 2 - a 13:21 oh interesting. thanks. 13:22 or d*2a instead of ? 13:22 also, you can't separate a stack by #naming, which is problematic. 13:22 I drop 13, #name the last one, pick up, and they restack all under the single name. 13:22 which is not desired. 13:23 (I want to separate one to wield from 13 to quiver) 13:24 Yah that's pretty annoying 13:24 hackedhead: I immediately and reflexively point a finger at the getobj patch. 13:25 =P 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 36 points, T:91, killed by a falling rock 13:25 hackedhead: the merging behavior is vanilla 13:26 you need to rename both stacks differently 13:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:35 ugh. 13:36 now i remember (again) why I mostly play NH4 and variants thereof. 13:36 so many QOl changes. =\ 13:36 xnethack is probably the most QOL-heavy 3.x variant 13:37 regarding not being able to specify a number, that is actually a bug 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:28739 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 841 points, T:3166, zombified by a gnome zombie 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2802 points, T:4212, killed by a bolt of lightning 13:49 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:51 -!- bouquet has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 245 points, T:1202, killed by a goblin 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:29755 13:59 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 13:59 if i leave the Amulet on the ground somewhere, can Rodney come and pick it up? 14:00 why would you do that? 14:00 eraserhead97: Yes while it's on the level with you. 14:00 But if Rodney respawns, you'll know about it. 14:00 ic - so if I leave the level quickly, I should be ok, then 14:00 thx 14:01 jonathanhanes_: In order to level teleport back to a stash and collect supplies? 14:01 ahh I see 14:01 that's right 14:01 need to regroup b4 I go to planes 14:01 Nothing happens on levels you're not on. 14:02 (this is not quite true but it's true enough) 14:02 nice rule of thumb 14:03 fighting Rodney via MF as lawful has worn down my supplies 14:05 so I left the Amulet one level beyond my stash - Rodney can still pop into any level I'm on or he doesn't care about me without the Amulet? 14:06 eraserhead97: He can turn up at any time, just as he can between killing him the first time (or doing the invocation) and getting the Amulet. 14:06 ok - I'll watch out for him then - thx - btw, I can recharge a WoD as many times as I like (I mean, it's not limited like WoW, etc...), right? 14:07 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Charging#Wands 14:09 ok - WoW is the only weird one - thx 14:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16 every time you charge it's more likely it will explode though (eventually it will) 14:17 can usually pretty safely go up to 4:x 14:17 so, if possible don't try to rely on like one wand of death thinking you can recharge indefiinitely 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] sodead (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:16854 14:17 after that there's a good chance it will explode 14:18 -!- CharKong has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:22 ic - thx for recharging tips ^^ 14:22 It's all in the linked wiki page. 14:23 ya. i didn't see that until i made my comment 14:23 very informative page 14:24 i need to get a bigger display so i can try playing with curses patch 14:24 I'm 4k turns away from forgetting my first spell and I have only 2xbooze + 1xconfusion - I'm led to the embarrassing choice of having to wish for booze (if there are no better options) 14:24 I like watching games with it, but I have to resize and when i finally fit it on my tiny laptop screen everything is, well tiny 14:24 maybe i just need glasses lol 14:25 is there a scroll I can write to confuse me? lemme check wiki 14:25 That must be a really tiny laptop screen 14:25 confuse monster (cursed) 14:25 ah - ty rebatela ^^ 14:26 completely forgot about that one as it's one of the first that gets dipped 14:27 i think it's more than i'm used to playing with 16pt font or whatever the biggest is that still fits everything on the screen (talking about regular style not curses) 14:29 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 14:30 yeah i always used to blank them too. But now i usually hold on until I know for sure i'm forgetting a spell then i blank them all 14:30 rebatela, did you make it? 14:30 nah i'm at the top of the dungeon 14:30 k 14:30 it's good to be well rested for sure 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:30473 14:31 yeah.. i kinda wish i had done it last night though. Then i could blame the splat on being drunk 14:31 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 14:32 I'm trying to branch out and play other roles but I just don't have fun if it's not a wizard 14:33 unfortunately, Wizards are extremely squishy 14:33 AntiVirus: I started out only enjoying Monk, until I finally ascended it. 14:33 monks can cast basic in every school, but you kinda have to wish for the eye to make spellcasting fun 14:33 and for the past long while I've only really liked Rogues. 14:33 rebatela: yes, and it's _so_ fun 14:33 i'm biased though because i basically only play monks 14:34 maybe I'll dip my toes in those waters 14:34 early game is the opposite of squishy too 14:34 monk with eyes,eye and OoF was fun 14:34 they're less squishy 14:34 but not yet! 14:34 hackehead: yeah in my vanilla game i have orb of fate and both eyes 14:34 after a rogue ascension (one day) I'll probably try ranger 14:34 EH game i have pyec and both eyes 14:34 only took me ~ten years to get my first asc (with Monk) 14:35 the thing that's great about EotA is you get the power gen without having to wear 14:35 haha yep sounds about right. Same here with wizard 14:35 would be awesome if you still got mr carried 14:35 small point re charging wands of death: in evilhack, you can only charge them twice 14:35 really?? good to know! 14:35 yeah the original change was only once 14:36 then i squawked and k2 upped it 14:36 but actually i think it should be only once 14:36 i think i have 5 or 6 death wands 14:36 speaks to my point 14:37 will the earth plane still be first or it's all randomized? 14:37 now, i do recall a game where orcus had the only wand of death and i was wearing conflict 14:38 somebody zotted him with lightning and poof! no more wand of death 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:30642 14:38 i got another one in the sanctum and those were the only two in the game 14:38 yeah that sucks. i've wished for wands of death right before going up many times (if i only found the orcus wand) 14:39 hmm, so I have been getting nothing but games that end before the castle in EvilHack 14:39 i usually polypile lots and lots of wands and usually get at least a couple 14:39 I wonder what would happen if I went back to Vanilla 14:39 27 game streak 14:39 AntiVirus: you'd find it easier ;) 14:39 oh, my this is so east lol 14:39 you'll run from zombies 14:39 *easy 14:39 haha 14:39 those zombies man 14:39 seriously. i find even grunt easier 14:40 I have them pretty well handled now 14:40 but at first that was some adjustment 14:40 haha i have a grunt 2-streak 14:40 nice 14:40 not intentional 14:40 As wizard, the psudodragon and forcebolt makes quick work of zombies 14:40 and with all the zombie kills the psudodragon becomes ancient very fast 14:41 once you have a unihorn the zombies are just a nuisance 14:41 yeah 14:41 I added in an alarm to my config that makes me have to hit TAB 14:41 and with that plus the horn, it's cake at that point 14:41 but prior to that, I did get killed because I didn't notice I got infected 14:42 knights have a lance, so that's the answer there 14:42 monks have to run? 14:42 ;) 14:42 nah. they can fight 14:42 martial arts is awesome especially in EH 14:43 yeah but I imagine that puts you in melee with them often 14:43 and you start with gloves/robe and don't have to worry about finding body armor/wishing for dsm or finding a weapon etc. 14:43 so how do you handle it,just pray a lot? 14:43 usually i kill them 14:43 ah 14:43 so you just hit hard enough to not get scratched 14:44 sometimes have to pray 14:44 k 14:44 and if it happens again game over 14:44 lol 14:44 but it's only until you get unihorn/healing potions 14:44 healing potion cures termillness? 14:44 blessed healing, regular xtra healing and fh (as i learned today) 14:44 oh cool 14:45 good find dude 14:45 see, then you can just pack the countermesure, like with stoning 14:45 holy water too 14:45 oh really 14:45 dude I'm sure I've had avoidable deaths now 14:45 and there's another lighter cure but much harder to find til you can polypile 14:46 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:38540 14:47 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Eucalyptus_leaf 14:48 oh, right 14:48 magic whistle if u bless too... 14:48 that thing 14:48 kick every tree 14:48 wait, a magic whistle will cure sickness 14:48 raven medusa is great for that 14:48 noooo 14:48 no that's for pets 14:48 a blessed eycalptus leaf acts as a magic whistle 14:48 oh oh 14:48 nifty 14:48 if u apply 14:48 yeah 14:48 right I can see why 14:48 sometimes they come unblessed tho 14:49 the devteam thinks of everything 14:49 i love stuff like that though... I used to think they were just useless food for the longest time, and they end up being the total opposite 14:49 wow, ok those are super useful. Weight 1 14:50 yeah exactly, I thought of it as useless food too 14:50 I've been throwing them away 14:50 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:50 sometimes there are no magic whistles too 14:50 exactly 14:50 and they are weight 3 14:50 i knew that trick for a long time, but then i saw hothraxxa eating them on astral! 14:53 oh and i don't think holy water will cure sick if you are chaotic 14:53 definitely not 14:53 ooh ok 14:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:54 another thing I found out is that if you have to pray to resolve illness it is better to do so immediately 14:54 I died mid prayer yesterday 14:54 because I took a few turns to dispatch the zombies around me 14:55 yeah... i died a ton to the zombies when i first started playing EH 14:55 and it used to be much worse believe it or not (when it first came out) 14:55 but you'll get used to it 14:56 he toned it down, and i believe the rumor is it's getting adjusted again. Looking forward to next version for sure 14:57 Yeah I got used to them 14:58 it's the kind of thing a nethack player can adapt to pretty fast. There are a lot of other monsters that are not safe to melee like that 14:58 oh the other thing about monks is you have 1/3 chance of starting with sleep spell which is extremely useful once you can cast (it's lvl 2 now) 14:58 acid blobs, floating eyes, rust monsters, cockatrice 14:58 etc 14:58 i don't think it works on zombies but it's crazy the monsters it does work on (minotaurs etc) 14:59 oh nice 14:59 minotaurs haha 14:59 and in vanilla you have a 1/5 chance of starting with a marker 14:59 oh wow 14:59 so if you get a good starting roll, you get both 14:59 makes up for not being able to wear armor 14:59 that really opens things up 15:00 so what you're telling me is you go around mugging defenseless monsters in their sleep. Nice rebatela. Real nice 15:00 hehe 15:01 it's a really easy spellbook to write (in vanilla.. lvl 1) 15:01 ah 15:01 he was probably right to change it to lvl 2 15:01 yes and you don't have to cast it multiple times like an attack spell to kill a monster 15:01 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:02 and you don't have to kill them.. i mean you can cast sleep and avoid the monster 15:02 good for pacifist 15:02 or if it's something you want to eat, but can't at the moment 15:02 oh hey vivit's autopickup exception code is now in vanilla 15:05 -!- CharKong has joined #hardfought 15:06 -!- CharKong has left #hardfought 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:10269 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:26412 15:11 aosdict yeah i saw that 15:11 pretty cool 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] sodead (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:19673 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:6988 15:19 ok so water demons are harder 15:19 lol...I couldn't hit one at all 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7040 15:20 * K2 didnt change water demons 15:20 wow 15:20 I must have got crazy unlucky 15:20 I was kiting this water demon around the oracle's room forever 15:20 praise the sun 15:20 lol it was a darksouls match for real... 15:21 \[T]/ 15:21 kite in a circle 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 903 points, T:2132, killed by a little dog 15:22 AntiVirus: if you died mid prayer, doesn't that mean the prayer was unsuccessful anyway? 15:22 yeah exactly 15:22 well wait 15:23 only if being attacked 15:23 this was an illness that takes like 20 turns to kill me 15:23 so I didn't have enough turns to finish the prayor. The illness timed out and killed me before the end 15:25 during prayer you are invulnerable 15:25 (successful prayer) 15:26 from attacks 15:26 the cockatrice moves to attack you, but pulls back 15:27 but what if you are dying of stoning, or illness? 15:27 and it takes effect before the prayer is complete? I think you die in that case 15:29 Pretty sure invulnerability will prevent you from timeout based deaths 15:29 I just tried praying with an amulet of strangulation on with one turn to live, and I lived even though it took until the third prayer turn for the amulet to be removed 15:32 rebatela: does sleep still work on Master Kaen in 3.6.3? 15:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:5251 15:36 well, ok maybe my god was just tired of me in that case 15:36 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 frost brand", on T:8450 15:45 the prayer only protects you if it is succeeding 15:45 if it would have failed, fuck you 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8647 15:49 Price identification in EvilHack can still performed with the following formula X = P/B 15:49 X is the shopkeeper multiple 15:49 and that's what you really need to find. By what number is the shopkeeper multiplying all the prices 15:49 or dividing 15:49 also, you are still subject to the 33% 15:49 yeah exactly by dividing 15:49 to find X 15:50 yes that is true 15:50 you will need a few example items with known prices 15:50 P is the price in the shop 15:50 B is the base price from vanilla for your charisma 15:50 so in this case I have a novel B=27 15:51 priced at 540zm so P=540 15:51 wait, is that a terry pratchett? 15:51 yes 15:51 autographed? 15:51 lol 15:51 what? 15:51 anyway, if you divide it you get the multiple. This shopkeeper is jacking prices x20 15:52 orc vs elf? 15:52 human vs illithid 15:52 I suppose then one could chart out the grudge prices 15:52 oh. i don't think i've ever seen a x20 15:53 yeah it was crazy enough it made me want to write a lil formula 15:53 because these prices were extreme 15:53 5k+ for scrolls 15:53 this must be one eyed sam's brother 15:54 peaceful Lugnaquillia the master mind flayer 15:54 so possibly one downside of playing illithid when it comes out, I wonder if all the human shopkeepers will price everything super high 15:56 well i forgot and took Fierce into a shop 15:57 Fierce doesn't like shopkeepers 15:57 now i have all this useless armour for free 15:58 lol 15:58 yeah I have been backtracking to shops with my leveled up pet too 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:29722 16:21 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 16:22 ugh... thats done 16:22 visio 2016 can suck it 16:23 no, editing the registry to ensure install goes correctly is normal... 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:30914 16:26 bahaha 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:30217 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:30993 16:30 [hdf-us] [fh] Namel (knaveightt) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 10893 points, T:384, quit 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:31029 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1851968 points, T:31053, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/nethack/dumplog/1569825018.nh.html 16:33 congrats eraserhead97 16:34 well, that could've been ugly - corridor blocked by boulder on astral without pickaxe or striking... ...luckily, WoTeleportation apparently moves boulders... 16:34 TY ^^ 16:34 \o/ 16:34 omg that dumplog is so beautiful 16:34 * K2 cries a little 16:35 grand tour! 16:36 hehe - altar's been moving around on me so it's always the 3rd one these days... 8^P 16:36 its always the last one you go to :) 16:37 yeah - some imp set that flag on my resource file 16:40 only 3 wishes, no artifacts - congrats eraserhead97 16:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Malcanthet, on T:70208 16:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Glasya, on T:70808 16:59 AntiVirus - ty ^^ - yeah, I found 4 magic markers this game, and as lawful samurai, Excalibur is the only arti needed - no bonez this game 17:00 wow 4 markers. Funny you said that, because I figured you must have had good luck with them looking at your kit 17:00 no bones? do you have it turned off? 17:00 magic lamp for GDSM, WoW for GoP, and I forget what the other wish was for - maybe speed boots 17:00 no - just by luck 17:00 nice, well good job 17:00 ty ^^ 17:04 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:05 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2430 points, T:5320, killed by a winter wolf cub 17:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 7545 points, T:7519, killed by a leocrotta 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 435 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:44520 17:12 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:39704 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:44900 17:16 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 17:18 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 17:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] sodead (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:26850 17:23 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 100 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32653 17:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 643 points, T:1498, killed by a giant ant 17:26 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 616 points, T:2655, killed by a rabid rat 17:36 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 142027 points, T:32334, killed by a death ray 17:42 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:40156 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] mosen (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:33670 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] sodead (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:28302 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] sodead (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28305 18:06 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 57 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46845 18:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class U, on T:38319 18:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class R, on T:38401 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:47516 18:26 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:41744 18:29 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:31 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 18:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 18:33 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 18:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:25859 18:33 UH 18:33 So it turns out that all the soldiers that couldn’t get to me threw themselves into the valley of the dead 18:34 There’s about 1.5 barracks worht of soldiers surrounding me. It’s a party down here. 18:34 just tab through them :) 18:34 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49015 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49063 18:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:39497 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master lich), on T:49200 18:48 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) averted death, on T:42453 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4031 18:48 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) averted death, on T:42454 18:50 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1553122 points, T:42455, killed by Vlad the Impaler's thirsty spetum's life drainage 18:50 <{Demo}> wgat 18:51 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1281 points, T:2858, quit 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17968 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 48 points, T:284, killed by a fox 18:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3004 points, T:4154, killed by a gnome lady 19:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of displacement", on T:40655 19:21 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:27 Did… did juiblex just use an amulet of life saving? I didn’t think he could do that. 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:28561 19:29 <{Demo}> he hella can! (i think) 19:30 Oh hi Yeenoghu 19:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:28581 19:31 <{Demo}> yeengoth 19:41 <@riker> castle jewel stash has one (1) touchstone along with a singular luckstone... and the rest is glass 19:44 <@riker> 3 stars let's go 19:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 filth-crusted black arrow", on T:20135 19:46 <{Demo}> damn 3 stars 19:46 <{Demo}> that isnt 1 19:46 <{Demo}> all i get is 1 :( 19:47 <@riker> hm what's my kit for a caveman demo, any ideas 19:47 <@riker> got sdss + prem heart for most of my armor, gonna switch for the chromatic dsm once I use this arrow on her 19:47 <@riker> thoughts? 19:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:20379 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 117 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:29506 19:48 <{Demo}> i have no idea 19:48 <@riker> lmao thanks 19:48 <{Demo}> my brain is stuck on ndnh 19:48 <@riker> any ideas for ndnh cav then :p 19:48 <{Demo}> where you'd dilith crystal the sceptre 19:49 <{Demo}> and quad dmg mofos 19:49 <{Demo}> and try to get a stack of +7 spears with diliths 19:49 <{Demo}> and multishot those and DESTROY 19:49 <@riker> nice 19:50 <@riker> demo is it worth it in ndnh to try to snag silver spears? 19:50 <@riker> or just go for silver points / elven spears 19:50 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:50 Just found frost brand chilling on the floor in Gehennom. 19:51 <{Demo}> dwarvish strongest 19:51 <{Demo}> but maybe silvers for hell and then swap to dwarv for past hell 19:51 <{Demo}> can just yoink off the points 19:52 <@riker> oh, are dwarvish better 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:19816 19:59 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:01 ok - here's a weird start - random dwarven lawful archeologist - on Dlvl: 4, I find Cleaver lying on the ground, in the open... ...I can't train in axe, but still, this is Cleaver - I wonder if I can use it until I get a longsword/gifted and dip for excalibur... gonna try 20:01 <@riker> pretty sure it's no better than a dwarvish mattock? 20:01 <@riker> ok about d6 better vs small, same vs large 20:02 <@riker> mattock has -1 to-hit cleaver has +3 but you can probably train mattock better 20:02 The ability to triple hit with it can be nice, but usually I just find myself accidentally cleaving peacefuls. 20:03 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 20:03 ok - thx for tips - I'll temporarily use it until I get mattock 20:03 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:03 I think I killed my pet accidentally a bit earlier when I stepped on a magic trap and was trying to stay alive 20:04 also, I can apply Cleaver to locked doors safely (in case there's a shop behind it) 20:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding named cyan shulker box", on T:22632 20:05 anyhoe, Cleaver > +2 bullwhip ^^ 20:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:22971 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] GlordNew (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2185 points, T:1523, killed by a dagger 20:17 -!- inari has joined #hardfought 20:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:24286 20:17 <@riker> eyyy black arrow worked 20:19 <{Demo}> nice 20:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:25560 20:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:26629 20:37 <{Demo}> :( 20:39 <@riker> listen i can't advance beast mastery and she took 1 hit 20:39 <{Demo}> :( 20:39 <{Demo}> oona is my bb princess 20:41 <@riker> sorry sir this is a waifu free zone 20:43 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 20:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 20:45 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 20:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 20:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:27664 20:48 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:54 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 20:57 -!- inari has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:57 -!- inari_ has joined #hardfought 20:58 -!- inari_ is now known as inari 20:58 <@bugsniper> K2, please add your special rocks that crash the game to the bug hall of fame 21:00 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 804 points, T:880, killed by an imp 21:00 -!- realinari has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:00 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 21:03 -!- inari has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:12 -!- realinari has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (newt), on T:1887 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2073 points, T:2439, killed by a gnome 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 609 points, T:1593, killed by a rock piercer 22:30 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 22:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 22:40 <@riker> god fucking damnit 22:40 <@riker> I just donated my +6 vorpal not +1 slave to armok 22:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3713 points, T:4265, killed by an ogre lord, while sleeping 22:43 <{Demo}> ouch 22:44 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51 <@riker> i mean it changes my strat a little bit, it's manageable 22:51 <@riker> but I would've liked to NOT do that 22:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 filth-crusted mirror brand", on T:35469 22:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed very filth-crusted heptagram magic marker", on T:35485 23:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Arimja (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3472 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Arimja (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1616 points, T:3816, killed by a bugbear, while helpless 23:28 -!- Guest22 has joined #hardfought 23:29 -!- Guest22 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:25746 23:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 108 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31615 23:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:38584 23:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38912 23:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32707 23:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:32708 23:59 -!- eraserhead9758 has joined #hardfought