00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5307 00:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 71231 points, T:9820, killed by a shimmering dragon 00:10 <@riker> dnh pets are so broken 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:57815 00:19 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1148 points, T:2002, killed by his own bolt of cold 00:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "3 uncursed greased scrolls of genocide", on T:48110 00:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Ran Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:48112 00:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Ran Gno Mal Neu) genocided class U, on T:48117 00:34 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 00:35 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 404 points, T:753, killed by a wolf 00:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:48584 00:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) stole 54 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Inuvik's general store, on T:7537 00:45 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 646 points, T:1143, killed by a rock piercer 00:49 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 261 points, T:391, killed by a gnomish wererat 01:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:9927 01:29 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 2618 points, T:2166, killed by a gold golem 02:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 142 points, T:591, killed by a giant spider 02:28 K2: what happens if an illithid player character attacks a cockatrice in melee? will they have their possessions identified? or are they smart enough to not use their tentacle attack? 02:31 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:31 -!- j has joined #hardfought 02:32 -!- j is now known as Guest19111 02:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] fionna (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1021 points, T:3297, killed by a fire ant 03:01 Hm, two thrones on the same level 03:03 never seen that 03:05 uhh... how do you start a nethack game with the fuzzer? 03:07 lol I thought this level was bones but it's just a gnome drinking a milky potion 03:07 it's Lance Braccus' ghost 03:11 LarienTelrunya: start game in wizmode, attach gdb to the game, set iflags.debug_fuzzer=1 & continue, press any key in the game. 03:12 paxed: uhh how do I attach gdb on windows after the game is already running? (sorry if this is a noob question) 03:12 * paxed doesn't use windows 03:15 argh poison instadeath from a giant spider 03:20 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:26 mostly new-weapon syndrome though 03:26 I could have killed the spider in two hits with my pickaxe and not given a chance to bite me 03:36 paxed: got it to work by coding a workaround, but... is there any way to interrupt or abort an ongoing fuzzing session? the only way seems to be killing the terminal, which always (without fail) produces a savegame error 03:42 LarienTelrunya: ^C in gdb 03:42 uhh... since gdb is running "in the background", that doesn't seem to work 03:42 why is gdb running in the background? 03:42 i.e. I only have the cmd window in which slex is running, and ctrl-C doesn't interrupt it 03:42 there is some hotkey for making an interrupt on the windows version of gdb but I forgot what it was 03:42 *shrug* 03:43 ah, ctrl-break does it! 03:43 Thread 2 received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. 03:43 can I change the fuzzer flag from here? and if so, how? "set iflags.debug_fuzzer = 0"? 03:43 yes 03:44 thx, that worked! 03:47 oh god the fuzzer screws up all the in-game options! it turns on rest_on_space, turns off color and checkpoint and other important stuff, and so on... 03:48 what do you think a fuzzer does? 03:48 send random input to the game? 03:48 indeed. 03:49 what is it for (except to annoy you)? 03:51 it's to find bugs 03:51 instead of finding players willing to playtest your game, you simply run the fuzzer for a couple hours and see if the game crashes, I guess? 03:53 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:53 raisse: the term to look for is "fuzz testing" 03:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] fionna (Kni Hum Fem Law), 294 points, T:2510, killed by a gnome zombie 03:58 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 03:59 ah right 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:01 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 04:04 -!- vevais has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3561 04:18 literate in Sindarin, even! 04:35 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 04:44 -!- ahrkl is now known as arn 04:44 -!- arn is now known as arniac 04:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 11156 points, T:5583, killed by a death ray 05:02 -!- Muad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 05:03 -!- arniac has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03 -!- arniac has joined #hardfought 05:22 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:28 <@Andrio Celos> This isn't good, right? I set MENUCOLOR="$(being worn|weapon in hands?|wielded|on (left|right) \w+)$"=underline 05:28 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/626349258672570384/unknown.png 05:28 <@Andrio Celos> In the I menu it's a different colour. 05:29 you want wielded and worn items to show up in the same color as normal but underlined? 05:29 (that's how I read that) 05:30 <@Andrio Celos> I'm trying to make it so that different colours are set depending on bless/curse status, in addition to underlines for equipped items and a few other things 05:31 I do it like this MENUCOLOR=" cursed .* wielded"=red&inverse 05:31 (and all the others likewise) 05:31 so every combination separately 05:31 it's probably not optimal but it works 05:33 also MENUCOLOR=" cursed .* hand"=red&inverse (so I don't have to bother with left|right) 05:33 that might make it break when I'm polyed into somethign that has pseudopods instead of hands but if that happens I have other things than my menucolors to worry about 05:36 I think you can put 'underline' instead of 'inverse' and it will underline 05:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 705 points, T:1654, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a monster's gaze 05:49 mm 05:49 underline does work, yeah. 05:49 I did `on (left|right) \w+` 05:49 that doesn't catch "weapon in hand" 05:49 mine does 05:50 That too. 05:53 I'm wondering why it shows up like that in the screenshot 05:53 kicking boots are heavier than elven boots, right? 05:53 Fairly sure, yes. 05:53 I can't distinguish them because I'm intrinsically stealthy and don't know any spells 05:54 oh it's right there on the wiki 05:55 "NetHack 3.6.0 changes weight of kicking boots from 15 to 50. Since there are no other boots with randomized appearance and weight 50, identifying them is trivial." 05:58 What do you want to eat? [eko or ?*] 05:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] joes (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1294 points, T:3736, killed by a werejackal 06:02 -!- Guest19111 is now known as rebataela 06:02 -!- rebataela is now known as rebatela 06:04 Evil Patch idea: if your pet is currently eating some food, you can't cure the sliming condition. Because in the evil patch, we like to make you lose your game for completely arbitrary reasons. 06:08 that's not evil, that's assholery 06:09 heh yeah, it's something that a "troll variant" would implement 06:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 06:12 make the mysterious force sometimes arbitrarily start the stoning/sliming process 06:15 don't people hate the mysterious force enough? 06:15 they dont know how lucky they are. 06:16 maybe spontaneously scatter your inventory across the whole level and spawn intelligent monsters 06:18 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:22110 06:20 * paxed jots down notes 06:21 several small effects, and add one after each Rodney kill? 06:21 ohh, i like that 06:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:22173 06:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:41 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:19 -!- vevais has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:20 er, why did it say "Nothing happens" when I dipped a spare pickaxe in a potion of polymorph? 07:21 then, of course, I was so curious that I drank it and now I'm an ogre king 07:21 (nothing vital broken, only a leather jacket) 07:22 I don't think it can have been because the pickaxe was corroded 07:22 since when do objects resist poly? 07:24 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28 you sure you dipped it in the right potion? 07:28 i like dipping spellbooks in those things 07:29 I would think if it was going to "resist" it (also never seen that with the potion) it still should have used up the potion? weird 07:32 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 07:38 sometimes items don't change with the wand/spell, but it doesn't give a "Nothing Happens" msg 07:43 player monster with a +3 helm of brilliance w00t 07:48 -!- vevais has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:49 <{Demo}> !tell k2 is this intended to be possible? https://i.imgur.com/U0niOq5.png 07:49 k2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, {Demo}. 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:03 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 08:07 lol {Demo} 08:07 K2: Message from {Demo} at 2019-09-25 07:49 EDT: is this intended to be possible? https://i.imgur.com/U0niOq5.png 08:08 that's not specifically on purpose, but I approve 08:08 its sufficiently evil 08:08 plus you have a couple other means to break through iron bars (force bolt/wand of striking) 08:10 I didn't know that worked! 08:10 K2: if that can happen to normal stairs, that's a problem. 08:10 aosdict made it for xntehack, I added it to evilhack 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:58436 08:10 aosdict: still sufficiently evil 08:11 what? I didn't surround stairs with bars 08:11 eventually a wand of striking will spawn 08:11 rebatela: it's possible that I dipped it in the potion of sleeping (and then quaffed the potion of poly anyway) but wouldn't it have said "Interesting..."? 08:11 oh you mean the blasting them with a force bolt 08:11 no, the breaking irons bars bit 08:11 I thought the only way to break iron bars was with acid, or eat them if you're a creature that can 08:12 <@Tone> If you spawn on those stairs then that's probably game over most games 08:12 in vanilla thats true raisse 08:12 until now I've always only dug around them 08:12 oh right 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2040 points, T:2787, killed by a hill orc 08:12 I am personally against things that make you trapped within a small part of the dungeon hoping that the right thing will spawn 08:12 Oh yeah, that's DL1? No, that would be an unfairly unwinnable game if you're not a Wizard. 08:13 wand of striking 08:13 potions of acid 08:13 definitely winnable 08:13 <@Tone> Where would you get one? 08:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:58466 08:13 hah thats dlvl 1 isnt it 08:14 hahaha 08:14 looks like demo spawned outside of the atairs 08:14 stairs 08:14 Imagine you're the greatest evilhack player of all time. You are about to start the 100th game of your streak. Then this happens. 08:15 yup 08:15 alright so 08:15 how do we tell the game to not create branch stairs in a random vault room 08:15 <@Tone> After a lifetime of preparation you finally embark on your journey to retrieve the amulet of Yendor. 08:15 <@Tone> "Sorry, dungeon's closed." 08:16 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 08:16 closed for renovations 08:16 <@Tone> That game is probably still largely unwinnable if that was the dlvl 2 upstair 08:18 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 08:23 hmm... i dont know how to prevent that from happening 08:23 not yet 08:25 its on the to-do 08:25 still funny tho 08:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:26 Do the random vaults get placed before or after the branch stairs get assigned? 08:27 i think before 08:28 src/mklev.c around line 820 or so 08:28 So never put branch stairs in a room that is a vault. 08:28 yeah that'd prob be best 08:30 Or do, but don't place vaults on dl 1, or don't do it on dl 1, or whatever. 08:30 I seem to have two different stacks of daggers that each sell for 7 zm each. 08:31 Having some small chance that the Mines are temporarily inaccessible until the right item is found seems fine. Ditto sokoban. 08:32 hmm 08:32 actually i think that's better (what Chris_ANG said) 08:32 this would also get rid of the small horde of giant spiders being seen on dlvl 1 :P 08:32 or the spear trap rooms 08:33 Chris_ANG: In my current evilhack game, I was still trapped on DL 1-2 for a while because the regular upstairs on DL3 was surrounded by giant spiders. 08:33 you should just eliminate the spear traps all together.... 08:33 And of course, no elbereth to relieve the pressure. 08:34 K2: The *general* solution is fix it so that you can specify minimum depths for each vault. But we're still working on that. 08:34 right 08:34 that would be ideal but yeah 08:34 only unnethack can do that currently 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10894 08:35 Heck, maximum depths would be cool too. 08:36 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 08:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 08:36 having that option would be, agreed 08:37 "and this is the cuddly playful kitten room. it only generates on DL 1-2" 08:37 * K2 wants cuddly playful kitten room 08:37 LOL 08:38 But, a general rule of no vaults on 1 is consistent with the existing vanilla rule of no special rooms on 1 (unless you're doing SHOPTYPE messing) 08:38 Splice isn’t widely played right now, but SpliceHack etherpad: https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/SpliceHack 08:38 \o/ 08:39 bookmarked 08:39 (I wrote it while half asleep don’t judge) 08:39 does etherpad still lack a way to choose a user color based on a RGB value? 08:39 its most likely a plugin thing 08:40 also wtf everything on that etherpad is already in fleecy purple, even though fleecy purple is *my* color :P 08:40 LarienTelrunya: a good etherpad with a lot of people editing over time becomes very fleecy 08:40 super fleecy 08:40 it assigned me purple. It knew 08:41 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:29215 08:41 fleeeeeeecy! ♥ 08:41 hey LarienTelrunya guess what 08:41 In the long term, you probably want to take long-fixed bugs and features off the pad, since it'll just crowd out the active stuff 08:42 LarienTelrunya - guess what the team limit size will be for TNNT this year 08:42 aosdict: Oh for sure. These are all recent fixes that haven’t gone into effect yet. 08:43 AntiGulp: to mess with aosdict, mix up all of your submissions on your etherpad so they make no sense or are in any kind of order. also use variable font sizes and styles 08:43 K2: 3 players per team? 08:44 But I already did that :) 08:44 lol 08:44 LarienTelrunya bzzt 08:44 2 more guesses 08:44 AntiGulp :P 08:44 uhh... 2 players per team? 08:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Death, on T:63041 08:44 bzzzt 08:44 heh... but it certainly won't be 1 player per team? hmm maybe you're generous and allow 5? 08:44 you make me sad 08:45 5 player team? really? lol 08:45 oh wait, I guess the team limit will be about as high as the # of players in teamsplat last junethack, so about 10 or so (but I've already used up all my guesses) 08:45 12 08:45 adn we actually had more than that last year so 08:46 forget continuing to reformat this, we're doing it live: https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/xNetHack 08:46 BZZZT 08:46 uhh then I have no idea... 15? 08:47 LarienTelrunya: K2 said it 08:47 oh that was the solution 08:47 team limits will be 12 per team 08:47 well, considering I hardly played at all in last year's tournament... who would want me as a team leader anyway? not many I guess :P 08:48 and teamsplat had more players than that last year so your snide teamsplat remark is invalid ;) 08:49 aosdict: dang it stop making posts with really nice formatting, it makes me feel bad 08:49 AntiGulp: I've been working on this for several days. 08:49 * K2 imagines aosdict hunched over his laptop furiously working on his etherpad edit 08:50 that, but: in a comfy desk chair, one hand petting my dog 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:63144 08:50 sadly he's too big to sit on my lap like Dr. Evil 08:51 oh hey aosdict, did you take your dog with you on your Big Hike™ ? 08:51 Heck no. 08:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Death (5 times), on T:63155 08:51 :( 08:51 He is not suited for that. 08:51 plus having to haul all his food 08:52 what kind of dog? 08:52 He went on a hike up Mt Adams this summer before I got there, shredded his pads, and got a leg injury he's still recovering from 08:52 This was an overnight, mind you. 08:52 oh no :( 08:53 K2: team registration when? :D 08:53 black lab. so on top of that add that he gets super overheated and soaks up solar radiation 08:53 yeah 08:53 * K2 loves black labs 08:53 fun breed 08:53 LarienTelrunya soon 08:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3541978 points, T:63162, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/samiam/nethack/dumplog/1568983642.nh.html 08:53 cool 08:53 so this time I really have to think whom to invite into my clan 08:54 you mean no mass invites? 08:54 hahahahahahaha 08:54 yeah 08:54 great. that'll save us some work 08:54 aww why did the fleecy purple disappear from the splice etherpad? 08:54 LarienTelrunya: You claimed it! Plus I like blue :) 08:55 AntiGulp: heh I haven't even posted in it yet! also if the purple were taken I'd pick a cuddly green ♥ 08:55 etherpads are generally more readable when the text that isn't important to indicate the author of is uncolored. 08:55 Yeah, my eyes also hurt from staring at a purple screen. 08:56 oh by the way AntiGulp *bundlebundle*, yesterday I implemented some more of splice's monsters in slex :) thanks for making them, and I hope you keep them coming! (also RIP king of yellow) 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:30202 08:58 whew... that was risky lol 08:58 rebatela \o/ 08:59 LarienTelrunya: Yay! Sad that the KIY had to go, but necessary. 08:59 Nice, rebatela! 08:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize tool, on T:11720 08:59 forgot i didn't even have teleport 08:59 AntiGulp but why? wasn't he a bonus boss anyway that few players would ever encounter? 08:59 now i'll probably die to a xorn 09:00 heh 09:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30257 09:01 LarienTelrunya: Yeah, but he was too strong, and the way to summon him was based on a lot of awful code I wrote before I understood the codebase. If I reimplement him, it will be as an avatar of Hastur, which is how he is treated in the modern Cthulu mythos. 09:01 ah 09:01 Hastur as in the one whose name one may not say, because it will summon him? :D 09:01 EPI: if you engrave Hastur, he will be summoned and whoop your ass. 09:02 FYI all - I registered #evilhack a couple days ago. any github commits to the repo will show there via bot. feel free to join that channel if you like. a lot of evilhack discussion will still occur right here though 09:03 LarienTelrunya: I thought that was Beetlejuice. 09:03 In D&D it’s Pazuzu. 09:08 heh I'm probably the only one in the channel who never played D&D 09:09 AntiGulp: if earmuffs are a tool how does one use them? 09:10 hothraxxa: They’re treated exactly like any other tool that is placed on the head. No one (to my knowledge) used them before because they were a helmet, and I know at least a few people have been pushing for them to be tools for a while. 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 1594 points, T:2638, poisoned by a giant spider 09:11 ah. so no eoto and earmuffs together 09:12 LarienTelrunya: I played a single one-shot once. Does that count? 09:12 can't be both voluntarily blind and deaf 09:12 aosdict: yes, because that means you still played one more session than I did ;) 09:12 hothraxxa: Unfortunately no. I wanted to do that, but the code would get really ugly. 09:13 YASI: Sensory deprivation helmet. It blocks ESP, Sight, and Hearing. 09:13 well you can still use a drum 09:13 so i'm wrong, you can be both 09:14 True. Potion of blindness also exists. 09:14 LarienTelrunya: Actually, probably one of the main reasons I got into nethack was because it's like single player D&D in many ways, and you don't have to wrangle a group of people to do all the pen&paper work at the same place and time 09:14 right. finally a use for it besides diluting 09:15 aosdict: yeah playing on a PC where the GM is basically automated seems much more comfortable :) 09:15 I used to play pen and paper "castle of the winds" with my mom when I was a child, but it took very long to play through a single dungeon level 09:16 pencil and paper :) 09:16 no pens in d&d :P 09:16 LarienTelrunya: The difference is a real life GM wants everyone to have a good time, whereas the automated one in NetHack wants to torment the player :) 09:16 haha, the automated GM of slex in particular wants the player to *suffer* 09:17 There used to be a SLASH’EM app on the apple store with the tagline: “Commercial games want you to win. NetHack doesn’t care if you win or lose. SLASH’EM wants you DEAD.” 09:17 yeah and then someone (I don't remember who) added "SLASH'EM Extended wants you to suffer." 09:18 "EvilHack wants to see if it can make you flip the table." 09:19 *cough*jarlearl*cough* 09:20 a rousing success 09:20 who is jarlearl? 09:21 Probably a monster class in slex. 09:21 a former evilhack player who lost it in channel when a door exploded on him 09:21 oh really? damn, I must have missed that 09:21 funny but sad ragequit 09:22 would love to read the log... hothraxxa do you happen to remember the day (plus or minus a few, I can then search the relevant logs) when it happened? or I guess I could just look at the date of his last evilhack ttyrec if he didn't play again after that 09:22 yeah that's the best way 09:22 but for now I have to go afk for a while because my wonderlovely bundleroommate ♥♥♥ invited me for some ice-cream <3 09:22 will there be shoes? 09:22 Or just grep jarlearly #hardfought.log | tail 09:22 s/y//; 09:23 @luxidream any thoughts on where evil (and splice) fit into the variant alignment chart? 09:24 evil should be down in the chaotic evil corner 09:24 last time it was brought up I think someone made a case for swapping slex (to chaotic neutral) and grunt (to chaotic evil) 09:24 -!- arniac has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:24 splice is chaotic neutral i think 09:25 I would argue Splice is more ordered chaos 09:25 evilhack isnt lawful evil? 09:25 aww 09:26 hmm 09:26 The additions themselves are chaotic, but I do my best to keep everything cohesive, player-friendly and fun. 09:26 Hmm. My logs suggest jarlearl has been nickpinged in #hardfought several times but has never spoken here. 09:26 -!- arniac has joined #hardfought 09:26 oh apparently I got the time wrong, and our planned ice-cream-eating will have to wait for another hour 09:27 (Well, until someone runs into a Molydeus and rants in this channel, at which point splice becomes evil) 09:27 dammit jonadab now i have to go and check my logs 09:27 jonadab JarlEarl used to talk in here a fair amount 09:27 hothraxxa: well I'd love it if she was wearing her high-heeled leather fleece boots, but it's raining heavily outside so maybe not 09:27 Oh, right, capitalization. 09:27 Right, I forgot to -i 09:27 sucks I can't really reliably wish for Dragonbane now... I'm gonna have the same problem with juggling MR and Reflection and being able to blind myself in a single turn. 09:27 jonadab then he had is epic meltdown over evilhack and left 09:27 I was assuming people tab completed, and apparently they did not. 09:28 AntiGulp: So are you gunning for true neutral? 09:28 If i use the eyes of Overworld for MR and amulet slot for reflection, then I can't just throw the towel on when I see a beholder 09:28 jonadab: i am irregular about tab complete 09:28 Looks like Tuesday August 6th. 09:28 aosdict: I don’t know. I think early splice was chaotic neutral but it’s migrated away from that over time. 09:28 probably going to have to wear cloak of MR, but then can't wear shield and cast.. also only MC 1 vs. the 2 from the robe 09:28 hmmmmm 09:29 WTF? apparently there is no player named "jarlearl" or "JarlEarl" on the hdf userdata 09:29 were they playing with a different name? 09:29 maybe if wand is 0:3 i will try for dragonbane a couple times anyway 09:29 amy: actually yes, he did 09:29 i think sorcerer? 09:29 oh 09:30 hothraxxa: how did you handle MR/reflection when you played monk in EH ? 09:30 then I can search forever under "J" 09:30 he used more than one 09:30 i swapped the eyes out 09:30 yeah 09:30 the reason i played neutral was to wish for the pyec for mr 09:30 LarienTelrunya: Tuesday August 6th. 09:30 yeah 09:30 too many artifacts 09:30 i think i'm at 3 09:30 my strategy was to get the pyec on the first wish 09:31 And it looks like forges backfiring on him were the straw that broke the camel's back. 09:31 for exactly that reason 09:31 i used first wish for eye of the aethiopica... also grants MR, but you need to be wearing it 09:31 Though the door traps did not help. 09:31 PYEC is great for that 09:31 :: starts over and wishes for PYEC :: 09:31 16:56 Check a door for traps 4 $#$#%! times and yet did not detect it?! How many $#$@@ times do I need to check to be safe? This is why I stopped playing ADoM..... 09:31 lol 09:31 i too hate that 09:32 17:02 Dipping in a forge can summon a fire elemental ?!?!?! On DLVL 4????? At character level 1?????? I think I am done with this game!!!!!!!!!!! 09:32 DOUBLE LOL 09:32 i am up to 5 checks now and i still get trapped occasionally 09:32 Just force-bolt all doors from several tiles away to be safe :-) 09:32 why are you dipping things at character level 1 :P on 4chan everyone would be saying "fault" there 09:32 -!- arniac has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:32 to get rid of zombies 09:32 i made that error at first too 09:33 Oops I might have been the one who added the fire elemental thing that K2 ported 09:33 My bad 09:33 Just leave the zombies alone. 09:33 lol I'm really laughing now since I'm seeing the log... it's true, that guy had a complete meltdown 09:33 has jarlearl been back since that ragequit? 09:33 yes well wwhen you first discover forges, you think oh cool, i can get rid of the zombies 09:33 he has not afaik 09:33 Looks like no. 09:34 i understand being pissed dying later in the game. but yikes that was crazy 09:34 Good thing he didn’t find out that forges can explode. 09:34 Maybe he went back to ADOM. 09:34 Or found DCSS. 09:34 I mean, I'd hate evilhack too if I were to play it, but in order to preserve my sanity, I don't :D 09:34 AntiGulp i'm changing forge behavior for evilhack 0.4 09:34 well to be fair he'd been frustrated a few time previously. it had been building up 09:34 swapping out fire elemental for something else 09:34 amy: EH is fun as helll.. although you don't like 3.6x soooo 09:34 fire vortex? 09:34 Lava elemental? 09:34 K2: I recommend Lava Demon, fro mthe convict patch. 09:35 i hate them 09:35 AntiGulp you're reading my mind 09:35 At least in Splice you can cook with them 09:35 rebatela: I've played it once; it felt too sporkhacky and not enough grunthacky, and yeah, THREE POINT SIX :P 09:35 thats what i had in mind 09:35 symmetry with water demon/fountains 09:35 yeah.. i've never played spork or grunt so it was all new 09:35 but i have made the adjustment from 3.43 to 3.6 by now... 09:35 you can be forced to kill a lava demon in a bad place and screw access to something important 09:36 ask me how i know 09:36 yeah how 09:36 how does killing a lava demon do that 09:36 forgot all about PYEC... I used to do that all the time. THat's a great tip hothraxxa. ty 09:36 i forget 09:36 hothraxxa: I think those are lava elementals. Another thing I added. My bad again. 09:36 but you can 09:36 won't work this game, likely. But for future 09:36