00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:01 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 317 points, T:656, killed by a kobold werewolf 00:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu), 39156 points, T:5544, quit 00:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (And-Ana And Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3647 00:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Ana And Fem Neu), 22381 points, T:4865, quit 00:27 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 00:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 00:27 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:31 I think I found the problem with MONSTERS 00:36 It doesn't recognise anything except a list of base 10 integers 00:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:8281 00:55 Being able to see zor's ghost via telepathy is nice. 00:56 Next to a totally not suspicious giant spider. 01:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9724 01:57 Hm 01:58 X - a cursed heavy iron ball 02:53 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:57 K2: thanks for your slex description, that's going right into the list of random messages *fleece bundle* :) 03:23 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:17058 03:49 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 03:49 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Changing host] 03:49 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 03:52 Oh god 03:52 I see a ghost and a nymph near it 03:52 Yeah, she had a wand of cold. 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:32 Heh 04:33 Apparently the watchman can't kill a jaguar. 04:42 I'm not surprised, seeing that a housecat can kill a watchman. 05:02 Watchman vs. gold golem: the gold golem barely wins. 05:02 Watchman vs. cockatrice: should be obvious 05:02 The ring of conflict is fun. 05:10 Mine's End luckstone get. 05:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 05:39 -!- sgire13 has joined #hardfought 05:40 Hi 05:40 Hello sgire13, Welcome to #hardfought 05:41 Thanks 05:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:14 o/ 06:16 Hm, Sokoban amulet of flying was blessed. Nice. 06:37 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:55 Bones big room. 06:57 was it already cleared out for ya? 06:57 Yep. 06:57 :) 06:58 Except for a zruty, some elf-lords and a cockatrice. 06:59 They might have had the wand of wishing that I died with earlier 07:03 is it worth spending a wish on a magic marker? 07:03 Not when I have two of them already. 07:03 Otherwise, probably. 07:03 It's a wand of death; never mind. 07:04 It also doesn't seem to have any charges. 07:04 Oh, no, it has charges; the inventory window just didn't update properly. 07:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize tool, on T:15695 07:16 whys it so hard to get crowned when you actually want to be 07:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:17187 07:43 @v?golden naga 07:43 golden naga (N) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 14 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 70 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 2d6 bite physical, 4d6 cast spell | Alignment: 5 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, thick hide, oviparous 07:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:46 holy crap this dwarf lord had enchanted armor out the wazoo, I'm glad I turned against him 07:47 Did you kill him? 07:47 yes... my AC went from -2 to -19 07:47 Apparently you can't reach the bottom of the pit, but you can eat things in the pit. 07:47 Oh, wow 07:47 What'd he have? 07:48 dragonhide? 07:48 K2: variant paranoia or is there some evilhack feature that gives enchantments to rando lords 07:48 rebatela: no actually 07:48 I'm keeping the +3 small shield since his roundshield is equal to that 07:48 wait til you fight some player monsters. they get more and more decked out as you go 07:49 he had a +1 dwarvish helm, a +2 pair of mithril dwarvish boots, a +4 dwarvish chain mail, and a +3 dwarvish cloak 07:49 (plus the +1 roundshield which I'm not taking) 07:49 what role? 07:49 val 07:50 I really feel like something's wrong here, because I shouldn't be THIS insanely lucky. 07:53 Heh 07:53 First two fountains I drank from were both magic. 07:54 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdict (Val Dwa Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a coyote, on T:6768 07:55 right. here's where it all goes wrong randomly 07:55 ahahaha I found a spear trap and used it to turn back 07:57 Are fontains affected by luck in UnNetHack? 07:58 lords/princes buy only the best gear 07:58 that you found a dragonhide piece is just luck 07:58 I didn't though 07:58 none of it's dragonhide 07:58 oh i see 07:58 well 07:58 lucky you 07:59 I think the dwarven AC bonus for dwarven gear is helping. Note that this encourages players to kill peacefuls of their own race 07:59 usually people complain about the bad things that happen... 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 I see we're going to complain about anything that doesnt fit into our narrow view ;) 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:01 sounds like a good orc interaction though 08:01 this isn't complaining, this is game design feedback 08:01 hah 08:01 racial ac bonus is a thing yes 08:01 for elves dorfs and orcsa 08:01 orcs 08:02 a fair amount of variants have it 08:02 whats the idea behind it though 08:03 ok so the crazy enchantments aren't variant paranoia 08:03 races are encouraged to wear gear made by/for their race 08:03 why? 08:03 why do you think? 08:03 i dont know? lol 08:03 any lord that gets armor has it at +1 to +4 with uniform probability 08:04 this means that taking down a dwarf lord should be a priority. take notes, anyone writing evilhack spoilers 08:04 does clothes made in china somehow last longer when chinese people wear it 08:04 aosdict https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/a93b4c3e3f43b4d115c4be7f2b892793e85fbf5b 08:04 alex___ yes 08:05 K2: I just source dived that 08:05 you gave me the idea for it 08:05 I... don't think I came up with that 08:05 'Idea from xNetHack, modified.' 08:05 yeah the +1 weapons and +0 armor bit is in vanilla 08:06 i should prob scale the armor enchantment down a bit 08:06 by 1 08:06 rn2(4) may have been over zealous 08:06 or just get rid of the +1 08:06 xnh didn't change any of that, it doesn't become an idea from xnh just because the commit says so :P 08:07 WRONG :P 08:07 as an american I can now claim that anything i dont agree with is 'fake news' and substitute actual reality with my own 08:08 my wife loves it when i do this... 08:08 not 08:09 aosdict on a serious note: I make a point to give credit where credit is due if I use a commit or idea from someone else. you must have had something like that in place for xnh at some point 08:10 not exact but something like it 08:12 aosdict: did you really complain about finding good armor and now he's going to change it? lol 08:12 NERF BAT 08:12 * K2 starts swinging 08:12 there should be enchanted armor since there's no markers 08:13 nope too late 08:13 i'll set all armor to be -3 to -5 and i'll increase enchant armor scroll probability by 1% 08:13 there 08:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:32045 08:13 sounds fair... 08:14 there are scrolls of enchant armor in this game? 08:14 lol yes 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32055 08:14 not every game has crazy enchanted armor. He did get lucky 08:15 K2: I was looking at L's Scroll of Enchantment Patch, which merges enchant weapon and enchant armor and can also be used on rings 08:15 Im at 20k turns at have -12 AC 08:15 aosdict I looked at that also 08:15 rebatela: you know if throne wishes still exist? 08:15 and i've been dragging everything i find to altar 08:15 i believe they do 08:15 i went with grunthacks scroll of enchant weapon can fooproof anything bit 08:16 i've yet to get a fountain wish (dozens of demons though ) but he claims nothing has changed... 08:16 also since there are magic lamps in this game... I should review major wishing changes 08:16 I know I can get dragonhide on the same items as grunt 08:16 i don't think there are a lot of wishing changes 08:16 yep cloth and leather base items can be dragonhide 08:16 the only thing i changed with wishes is 1) you'll sometimes get the owner of said artifact and 2) you can wish for magic lamps 08:17 thats it 08:17 oh and random wands of wishing are 1:x 08:17 oh right I should go kill the oracle then lock myself in a closet until I get my free wish 08:17 but altar wishes still exist, fountains, smoky potions, etc 08:17 aosdict have fun with that lol 08:18 yeah that first game that i made it far, smoky was full healing. got a couple wishes 08:18 oh yeah. monsters can make wishes too 08:18 how nice of them to wish for vorpal blade and behead you 08:18 in wizmode giving an intelligent monster a WoW with 100 charges is fun 08:19 haha 08:19 I might go for dragonbane, since I lack gloves 08:19 i need to try to get EH to build again. I think something wrong with hints file 08:19 rebatela no i think this is my fault 08:19 one sec i'll show you 08:19 i've never even compiled vanilla though. I was just going by that conversation you had with hothraxxa 08:21 rebatela - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b1703338014d8673e6d457382422e5c48f526920 08:21 it's pretty grisly that the second wandering nymph will collect her sister's corpse and walk around with it (this isn't about evilhack specifically) 08:22 uncomment all that in Makefile.top 08:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:22 and just use the default linux hints file (assuming you're compiling on linux) 08:22 ok thanks! yeah linux 08:23 i need to add a comment IN the makefile to let folks know 08:24 does evilhack randomly replace doors with iron bars? 08:27 no 08:27 but iron bars are created randomly sometimes 08:28 compiling vanilla itself is quite weird 08:32 sacfesting behavior in evilhack is the same? 08:36 heh not at all 08:36 your deity will sometimes gift you with a regular object instead of an artifact 08:36 but, that regular piece of gear is blessed, fooproofed and enchanted 08:36 for the purposes of luck increase and maximization 08:37 that i didnt change 08:37 <@Andrio Celos> Was this supposed to happen? 08:37 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/626034475838472197/unknown.png 08:37 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/626034517869854720/unknown.png 08:38 hah 08:38 ^ bhaak 08:38 its technically accurate so 08:38 Andrio has multiple personalities on lvl 16 08:38 leprachaun stole my gold amulet of reflection.. very sneaky :) 08:38 or maybe you died and is all over the level in pieces 08:39 dammit he stole it again 08:40 I don't seem dead 08:40 are you a longworm 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:40244 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:40246 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (energy vortex), on T:32890 08:41 No 08:41 you're connor mcleod of the clan mcleod 08:41 and you cannot die 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of enchant armor", on T:40250 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:40251 08:42 energy vortex. that's not a bad genocide at all 08:43 Still ok to break boulders on a completed soko level without penalty, right? 08:43 Seems kinda arbitrary to me (genociding e vortices). 08:44 yeah. never seen it before. but they suck. even when you're powerful enough to kill them before they kill you, they get that chance of destroying rings after you're expelled 08:45 dont they drain Pw also 08:45 i've had really strong characters with a kit suddenly have to polypile for my rings again 08:45 also died to them in sokoban many times 08:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:53 K2: what's the poison resistance threshold at which you cease to lose Str points? 08:54 i wanna say 50% 08:54 I really want to get my resistance out of the instadeath range, but I'm also shooting myself in the foot by eating poisonous corpses 08:54 instadeath range is 35% dunno if you remembered that bit 08:55 yes 08:55 <{Demo}> instadeath range is 98% :P 08:55 i may tweak that for 0.4 08:55 <{Demo}> and then it was near certain instadeath 08:55 <{Demo}> that was a funny bug 08:55 hah {Demo} i remember that 08:55 oopsies 08:55 <{Demo}> oh yeah and you also deleted my altar :P 08:55 oooopsies 08:55 <{Demo}> all I had to access my god was a sink 08:55 the sink god 08:56 <{Demo}> I had to try to pray and hope it would give holy water when I turned the faucet 08:56 soko zoo biggest threats: pyrolisk and energy vortex in the back corners 08:56 grants palmolive dish soap 08:57 you made stalker corpses not grant permanent intrinsics under any circumstances, correct? 08:57 correct 08:57 * aosdict approves 08:57 so i should mention this next bit... 08:57 <{Demo}> permastunned 08:58 magic traps can give/take away permanent see invis or invisibility 08:58 <{Demo}> 17M of panic logs... 08:59 nice 09:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:09 yeah I couldn't figure out how i became invisible the other day 09:09 <{Demo}> how does one know they are invisible? 09:09 shopkeep won't let ya in 09:09 (one way) 09:09 <{Demo}> I mean realistically 09:10 well that's how i found out. It seemed awfully real ;) 09:10 <{Demo}> like just cause I can't see myself doesn't mean others can't and maybe I'm dead and it's just what being dead is 09:10 If you put on cloak of invisibility you don't become invisible 09:10 That can actually suck if you're trying to identify cloak of MR and don't know you're invisible 09:11 K2: what's the time to live on gel cube engulfing? 09:11 10 turns like amulet of strangulation? 09:11 because it's the only cloak that doesn't self identify, but it could be invisibility if you are already ivisible 09:11 aosdict 4 turns 09:12 for comparison, grunthack has it at 3 09:12 i've died that way walking around thinking i have MR 09:12 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:13 <{Demo}> oh damn 09:15 Hmm I think I found an exploit to get multiple evilhack sokoban prizes 09:15 get a pet that can go under the door, pick up the item, and bring it back 09:16 <{Demo}> don't they get destroyed? 09:16 I haven't used this exploit but there's an acid blob just dipping in and out of one prize room 09:16 <{Demo}> when you touch one? 09:16 <{Demo}> pretty sure the other ones die 09:17 <{Demo}> now if you can exfiltrate the mon from the level.. 09:18 <{Demo}> are any door passers capable of picking things up? 09:18 yeah, any prizes that are not on the floor won't get destroyed, looking at the code 09:19 try it demo 09:19 so you don't even have to take the mon off-level, you can just have it be holding the item 09:23 K2: is it intentional that since I already have type-named the bag of holding, the sokoban prize tool says "bag called holding" rather than "sokoban prize tool"? 09:24 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdict (Val Dwa Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize cloak, on T:9750 09:24 ugh, I wanted magic resistance 09:24 <{Demo}> I think it is, can't test rn. still don't think there are any door sliders that can pick items up 09:25 {Demo}: 3.6.1 vampires that can turn to fog clouds? 09:25 <{Demo}> oh yeah those are a thing 09:25 <{Demo}> good luck getting them to do that though? 09:26 now's the time when you need a viscous kitten 09:32 stealth seems rather useless in EH 09:34 Apaprently I just accidentally vanquished a dragon with my bare hands. 09:35 Meanwhile, it took me several hundred turns to punch a rust monster to death. 09:37 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 324 points, T:974, killed by a rock piercer 09:38 aosdict no its not intentional 09:38 i want to address it, not sure exactly how yet 09:38 26k turns and 1 enchant armor scroll 09:38 would be ok if i had gotten the marker for prize but no such luck 09:39 aosdict: i think i would somehow have to make anything flagged as sokoban prize unknown, even if the object it IS is already known to the player 09:40 not sure how to go about that 09:44 -!- sgire13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44168 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:44169 09:46 <{Demo}> objnam fuckery and a special value set on some struct obj field of the prize 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 27450 points, T:13040, killed by a dwarf king 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:44397 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:33102 09:59 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2203 points, T:2210, killed by a hill orc 10:00 posted a proposal for a new writing system on reddit (trying that out, seeing if the post-comment format is better for feedback): https://old.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/d8nihe/revamped_writing_system_proposal/ 10:02 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: NAE TROOSERS] 10:04 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 10:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:07 old reddit? 10:07 blaspheme! 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:33232 10:09 The centipede's bite was poisoned! The poison was deadly... 10:10 and I was thinking "yay a centipede. I can tin that for a chance of poison resistance" 10:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26826 10:12 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 10:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 10:13 man, i hope this castle wand is 0:3 10:15 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had an athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:804 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:45168 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:45177 10:17 rebatela you just used up one wish 10:17 by hoping for a 0:3 WoW 10:18 :P 10:18 as well as a prayer 10:19 lol 10:20 K2: on the trail, sometimes people come out to road crossings to give you free food+drinks. It's commonly held that the only way to have a chance of anyone being there is to strenuously NOT HOPE for it to happen. Or better yet, be ignorant that you're coming to a road crossing at all. 10:21 buddy of mine just summited the other (through hike). You're talking about AT right? 10:22 other day* 10:22 when did u do it aosdict? 10:23 I finished august 31 10:24 this year?? THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE? 10:25 <{Demo}> yeah he warned us all lol 10:25 dude... CONGRATULATIONS !!! 10:26 aw shucks 10:26 thanks rebatela 10:26 it's on the bucket list, but i just turned 40 so it's seeming less likely. But man. That's beyond cool bro ! 10:26 there were plenty of people older than you lol 10:26 the people i know who have done it are all the most solid humans 10:26 including Iron Man, 79 10:27 and he hiked way faster than me 10:27 i'm trying to remember what this kid's name was. maybe you ran into him 10:27 he was probably tripping a lot of the time lol 10:32 Castle wand get. \o/ 10:32 evil patch idea: a scroll of curse weapon should curse the next weapon you wield if you aren't already wielding one 10:34 [backscroll] aosdict hah sounds about right 10:36 rebatela: I was also tripping a lot of the time, but probably in a different way from what you're describing. 10:36 lol 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:46927 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:47061 11:03 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1720 points, T:2221, killed by an iguana 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:47716 11:10 So I cast create monster and it summoned an Aleax with copies of all my gear. 11:14 I mean, they do that in unnethack. 11:17 Mm 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 speed boots", on T:34122 11:18 Apparently summoning a bunch of extra magic armour is a thing. 11:21 yep, always struck me as rather exploitable 11:21 andrio: In EH, you get kitted out player monsters later in the game 11:22 mm 11:22 they basically match whatever your stats are/what you have as you go along 11:22 Nice 11:24 nice until Izchak the vagrant zaps polymorph at your stash with hundreds of potions/wands/spellbooks 11:24 (yes i'm still whining about it, K2 ;) ) 11:25 well, we're crowned now. 11:25 Silly Anhur. 11:25 First time he gives us nothing, even though we're at max luck. Second time: Stormbringer. 11:31 Apparently there's a ghost trapped in the rock outside Sokoban, unable to get in through the walls. 11:43 <{Demo}> yeah thats a thing that can happen 11:43 <{Demo}> you can get xorns out there as well 11:43 <{Demo}> i think xorns with items needed to win the game in their inventory 11:43 <{Demo}> so its a way to make the game unwinnable 11:43 <{Demo}> unless 3.6.x changes that 11:48 how do you get them there in the first place? 11:51 <{Demo}> teleport them 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:34842 11:51 <{Demo}> only an area around the sokoban level is impassble 11:52 <{Demo}> does anybody have a good .gdbinit for nethack out there (functions for stuff like printing all monsters or obejcts on level, priting monster at specific position, etc) 11:57 paxed may 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2471 points, T:3579, killed by a boiling potion 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 <{Demo}> anyone have experience with loops through the monster chain in the level somehow ending up having the monster struct pointers they use to process the chain point somewhere that makes no sense and on inspection of level.monlist (what fmon is defined as) nothing seems wrong or corrupt with the chain? 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:08 lack of EA scrolls is ridiculous in this dungeon.. Unless something's changed from vanilla? 12:08 pushing 30k turns and I've found ONE 12:10 I don't think k2 changed anything in the object generation code 12:11 if it's evilhack you're playing 12:11 i didnt 12:11 then it's just the RNG throwing in its own portion of evilness 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:60425 12:12 you changed the enchantment of lords' weapons and armor 12:13 but not random objects generation 12:16 thanks 12:16 again, hopefully the wand of magic markers is 0:3 ;) 12:18 i kinda want to start over. not gonna be too bumbed if i die here 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:28519 12:20 ugh 12:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Val Inc Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:24993 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:48964 12:36 YES!!! slow monster spellbook!! 12:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 197679 points, T:31548, killed by a blast of disintegration 12:45 bah 12:46 more bones for someone 12:48 doesn't disintegration mean no bones? 12:49 does it? 12:49 well, you're disintegrated 12:49 with all your stuff I suppose 12:49 if something else is disintegrated they don't leave stuff behind 12:53 this game is already better.. general store, bag, $80 scroll. That dungeon SUCKED 12:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:54 oilskin sacks seem way more common in EH 12:55 yeah... I found one before a boh too 12:56 probs for bags are 35 sack, 5 oilskin, 20 boh, 20 bot 12:56 that's identical to vanilla 12:57 BUT, there are more special cases for it 12:58 you looked at the source? 12:58 I mean, the player monsters more often than not have oilskin sacks, then Boh later 12:58 most of the special cases don't seem to have anything to do with it 12:58 but it just seems like in shops in vanilla they are more likely to be a boh, but in EH it's more often than not oilskin 12:58 but one of the kits (for player monsters?) gets an oilskin sack 12:59 I'm typing these things out as I discover them 12:59 almost all the player monsters have an oilskin sack and a regular sack once you reach a certain point... then later they all have bags of holding 13:00 makes sense. anyway the only special case that would make oilskin appear more often is that kit 13:02 yeah the loot you get off the player monsters is crazy.. like in that game i had just found +0 speed boots, but then killed a ranger who had +2 speed boots, plus cloak of displacement etc.. lots of extra robes, stuff to polypile 13:03 (the ranger didn't have extra robes. just saying you find them killing priests etc) 13:04 some of them can really fight though. gotta be careful 13:05 once you're high level they all have amulet of reflection and stuff. and yes, they will zap cancellation/polymorph at you 13:05 i totally forgot i didn't have reflection in that last game (obviously) 13:06 and disintegration resistance is partial. i probably had 50% but it clearly wasn't enough for that black dragon 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:43995 13:07 if i could have killed Kaen, I would have done that and freed up the amulet slot for reflection, but he is no joke now because scroll of SM doesn't work 13:07 <{Demo}> does anyone have any references for the 3.4.3 bugs that involve kicking off the map? 13:11 I'm at the point where I'm eating violet fungus corpses and hallucinating because the poisonous corpses have sapped too much of my strength. When do I get immune from stat loss again? 13:12 <{Demo}> nevermind, looked what i think was the same place i looked before for them but this time found them :S 13:13 aosdict: i thought he said 50%? But I think he wasn't sure 13:13 maybe pray at an altar? That's how i've been getting stats back before i have the restore potions/spell 13:13 I've collected enough potions that I likely have restore ability 13:14 yeah they aren't super rare or anything 13:14 probably want to bless tho 13:14 i'm a big fan of altar praying... even more so in EH 13:16 monks use WIS for spellcasting and i do stupid stuff that always makes it drop (walking into locked doors) 13:17 If i wasn't so anti-elbereth, I could exercise it that way i guess... 13:18 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 487 points, T:803, killed by a rock piercer 13:18 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:18 except you can't elbereth until you learn it 13:23 ahh that's right 13:23 actually I don't know if in evilhack you can still write the word and exercise wis 13:23 even though it does nothing 13:24 yeah not sure... i know a lot of people wand engrave test that way 13:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 3684 points, T:2589, killed by a pony 13:27 if you've seen the word 'Elbereth' in game, either from the oracle, or reading it from sokoban, etc your character now knows it 13:28 the question is, does it still exercise wisdom to scrawl "Elbereth" in the dust if you don't know it 13:29 -!- vevais has quit [Quit: See you, space cowboy!] 13:32 Manlobbi in Minetown is stocking tins of dwarf meat 13:33 new sidequest: follow this clue and investigate the recent string of murders that's decimating the dwarf population 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdict (Val Dwa Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:10602 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:46169 13:34 smoky is poly, guess I'm not getting many wishes from that. 13:35 <@Tone> It may be worth finding an amulet of unchanging for that 13:35 poly is so rare a potion that I doubt it's worth it 13:36 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 13:36 <@Tone> That is probably true 13:36 I had smoky as healing once. Got tons of wishes that game 13:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2308 13:38 tengu just teleported into the shop and attacked, not safe to eat its corpse yet... good thing the shop had a tinning kit :) 13:38 YANI: In the C call menu, allow \ to be entered as an alias for d, the discoveries list. 13:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor4 (Mon Hlf Mal Law) killed Dagon, on T:51463 13:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 4300 points, T:2758, killed by a priest of Ghaunadaur of Ghaunadaur 13:43 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 479 points, T:1312, killed by a hobgoblin 13:45 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 92 points, T:271, killed by a kobold werejackal 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 11 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:35418 13:48 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 53 points, T:148, killed by a jackal 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:35464 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 6 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:35479 13:52 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 241 points, T:481, killed by an iguana 13:57