00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:16088 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:44133 00:16 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:29 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 00:30 ^ latest devteam commits 00:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 2112 points, T:1394, killed by a gnome, while fainted from lack of food 00:58 <@riker> !pom 00:58 @riker: The moon is waning crescent; new moon in 3 days. 01:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 1841 points, T:2237, killed by a dwarf 01:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Death-Spear of Vhaerun, on T:3701 01:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:04 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:05 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 02:05 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 02:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Client Quit] 02:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 150 points, T:34, killed by a guard 02:32 on the one hand, I read three scrolls of cursed genocide and not one of the gray dragons I summoned dropped scales 02:32 on the other hand, when I undead turned them and killed them again, one did 02:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] waterbug (Bin Hum Mal Non), 12530 points, T:7306, quit 02:36 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38 Starting with 3 uncursed potions of water as a wizard 02:38 Jackpot? 02:40 hydration is important 02:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 131 points, T:945, killed by a kobold 03:25 I wonder whether they knew where was a swamp fern on the level. 03:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:47 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] waterbug (Bin Orc Fem Non), 1327 points, T:1612, killed by an owlbear 03:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 584 points, T:1897, poisoned by a water moccasin 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:02 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:07 <@luxidream> !tell aosdict magicby has promptly ignored your request to discuss on the talk page before making edits 04:07 I'm on it, @luxidream. 04:07 <@luxidream> !tell aosdict because the rules don’t apply to him 04:07 Will do, @luxidream! 04:08 <@luxidream> !tell aosdict I’ll offer further opinions on the page but I don’t think there’s any real controversy over what should be included 04:08 Will do, @luxidream! 04:10 @luxidream: the nethackwiki admin should simply do his job and ban that dolt because he (magicby) obviously cannot be reasoned with 04:14 <@luxidream> everyone seems to give him the time of day because ~1% of what he says is correct information 04:15 <@luxidream> but the library of babel also has some amount of correct information 04:20 it would help if people just stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt, because he clearly displayed that he's living in his own world where he is absolutely right on everything and all others are evil and stupid 04:21 trolls like that one should be fought with fire, and if it doesn't help then you probably didn't use enough of it :P 04:30 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:43 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:45 lol a dwarf is digging out this whole level where I'm altar camping 04:46 makes it much easier for me to see the monsters, and for the monsters to come to me 04:49 he's just helping! 04:51 gah 04:51 yes, I like that dwarf 04:51 my cat tried to kill him and he quaffed a potion of gain level and became a dwarf lord 04:52 then the cat ran away and hit a levelporter, I'll find it again later 04:53 I like how we can still push boulders as an energy vortex. 04:54 Om nom nom 04:55 We can also still toss daggers 04:56 We can also engulf monsters through diagonal Sokoban gaps that we can't pass through normally 04:56 Not sure how that works. 04:56 you put out a pseudopod and pull them through 04:57 they can get through because *they* don't have to solve the puzzle 04:57 @v?energy vortex 04:57 energy vortex (v) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 20 | Res: sleep disintegrate shock poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 1d6 engulf shock, 4d6 engulf magic drain, 0d4 passive shock | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, unsolid, vegan 04:57 see? you're unsolid 04:57 (also vegan so you don't actually *eat* the monsters you engulf 04:58 unless they're lichens? 04:58 yes, or blogs 04:58 blobs 04:59 But you can still actually eat... 04:59 like a food ration? 04:59 Yeah 05:21 The gnome wields a sling named Giantslayer. The sling named Giantslayer welds itself to the gnome's hand! 05:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:26 he is the chosen one 05:30 He's dead 05:36 but did he slay any giants before he died? 05:41 No, sadly. 05:43 Two different guys in Minetown had cursed potions of invisibility. 05:44 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:44 -!- Announcy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50 Why are there two ogres on Dlvl:3? 05:59 they crave adventurer meat 07:25 in variants using the grudge patch 07:25 if a monster picks up a 'slayer' weapon like giantslayer/orcrist, will those monsters grudge that monster? 07:28 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:42 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 07:50 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 07:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v bhaak] by ChanServ 07:54 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 07:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 07:57 morning morning 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:04 Heya K2. 08:04 o/ 08:04 \o 08:05 alex___: no, the grudge patch compares two struct permonsts (the species) so it has no idea if the specific monster has a certain weapon. Good idea though. 08:05 aosdict: Messages from @luxidream have been forwarded to you privately. 08:05 <{Demo}> good morning 08:06 <{Demo}> do PRs ever get merged to vanilla? 08:07 I can freely use the fountains if all surviving watch-idiots have left the level, right? 08:07 not a github merge since github's only a copy, but they'll sometimes make a commit which is the same as the pull request 08:15 Andrio: yes you can 08:15 just don't mess with the gods :-/ 08:16 I ran out of food. 08:18 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 08:19 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:23 This dwarf had a fire horn and didn't use it on me. Hm... 08:23 maybe he thinks you're cute 08:24 did he really have it, or only death-drop it? 08:24 dont want to fry a potential date 08:24 Probably death-dropped it. 08:24 :P 08:26 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:37 <{Demo}> ah it's only a mirror ok 08:37 <{Demo}> thanks 08:39 i guess i can rev geno lizards to fight medusa... 08:40 or farm. But i'm gonna hit that 60k turns again that makes everything "fun" 08:41 i had some acid but i fell in the drink playing after too many drinks 08:44 i didn't realize acid potions even diluted. for some reason i thought they went BOOM 08:46 isnt that what happens when you do it the other way around? 08:51 hmm 08:51 @Tone you should do one of your live nethack game broadcasts drunk 08:51 haha 08:52 'how not to play nethack' 08:52 I attributed one of my tournament wins to Lamb's delicious Navy Rum 08:54 mmm rum 08:54 !rum Pinkbeast 08:54 * Beholder pours Pinkbeast a shot of Jamaican rum, replicated by the late Pinobot at 12 degrees Celsius. 08:55 !booze 08:55 * Beholder tosses raisse a schooner of booze, prayed over by FCCBot at 80 degrees Fahrenheit. 08:55 Pinkbeast: I'm actually not that miffed about the latest orcus page changes, but you're right that he ignored instructions to wait for feedback. 08:55 troll does what troll does 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class L, on T:32636 08:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class P, on T:32637 09:05 <@Tone> K2: lol 09:05 <@Tone> Maybe when my birthday rolls around or something 09:06 come to my house we'll broadcast live from there, we'll turn it into a weekend long drunken nethack booze fest 09:06 <@Tone> haha now there's an idea 09:06 we'll count how many times Ozzy tries to climb into my lap while playing 09:07 Ozzy is not a cat. he's a 100+ lbs german shepherd 09:07 and a big giant baby 09:07 The large dog leaps into your lap! The large dog wrestles you to the floor! 09:07 hah 09:07 pretty much ;) 09:07 PET ME. NOW. 09:08 The large dog licks your face! You feel less charismatic. 09:08 but clean 09:08 dog saliva has healing properties 09:08 <@Tone> Ha, I was at a football watch party on Saturday and there was a humongous golden retriever there that just wanted to sit on everyone's laps 09:09 (my family's dog has such awful breath that you DON'T want him to lick your face... you'll stink all day) 09:09 <@Tone> I love giant dogs that act like they're little lap dogs 09:09 hahah 09:09 <{Demo}> update on fuzzing ndnh, it's fucked 09:09 every morning almost without fail, when i go to put on my boots and tie them, ozzy decides thats a great time to stand right over my feet and lean into me 09:09 {Demo} :( 09:10 <{Demo}> like the game, not the fuzzer 09:10 ugh 09:10 friends of ours had a dog with a tail *exactly* at the height of the surface of the coffee table 09:10 <{Demo}> running fuzzing for both dnh and ndnh and ndnh is doing a better job being interesting 09:10 heh 09:10 <{Demo}> some weird stackoverflow in engulf display code 09:10 <{Demo}> not a fan 09:10 unfortunately ozzy thinks he has hands. my daughter gets scratches from him regularly 09:11 being 7 yrs old, she's not impressed 09:11 {Demo} the fuzzer is doing its job then 09:11 sure he's not a cat? 09:11 finding bugs you otherwise may not have found 09:11 <{Demo}> it's job is to give me fun things to debug, not unfun things 09:11 raisse some days i wonder hahah 09:12 <{Demo}> it's job is to send me down rabbit holes where I write a script that parses the source that finds bugs in 3 other variants 09:13 K2: I'm still stuck on the fuzzer finding something wielding coins and I don't know how it came about 09:13 where's that evilhack patch that adds logs? 09:13 doh 09:13 one sec 09:14 https://bilious.alt.org/~paxed/nhdev/evilhack-fuzzer-log.diff 09:14 paxed says those entries need to be added to a lot more places 09:15 * K2 wants to wield coins and kill demogorgon with them 09:15 oh interesting, it's apparently the hero wielding coins, I can see they're in the invent chain 09:15 <@Tone> Silver coins would be rather effective 09:16 ^ that 09:16 illithid race is basically done for evilhack fyi 09:17 maybe a couple more minor tweaks 09:17 <{Demo}> wait what kind of logs? 09:18 {Demo} one sec 09:18 <{Demo}> oh hey dnh has the same stackoverflow engulf display bug 09:19 {Demo} in your home directory, create .gdbinit if it doesnt already exist 09:19 put this in it - https://termbin.com/3e5o 09:19 $i can be whatever value you want 09:20 Is it possible for the leather armour dropped by leather golems to be enchanted? 09:20 then add those edits in the diff i linked to 09:20 of course for 3.4.3 based variants you'll have to modify it some I imagine 09:21 then in gdb after a crash or panic, type 'fuzlog' 09:24 <{Demo}> hmm see what I want is a system that automatically collects coredumps for me and keeps going 09:24 <{Demo}> so I can leave it running and then come harvest it 09:25 <{Demo}> has anyone run the fuzzer in valgrind yet? 09:25 not me 09:25 i havent 09:25 <{Demo}> it sounds like you're gonna get a lot to go through 09:26 <{Demo}> at least in dnh I can't even play it in valgrind a little bit and not get a lot of complaints 09:28 <{Demo}> oh wow my acu ended up on the quest somehow 09:33 <{Demo}> wow, both dnh and ndnh have survived over 10 minutes in the crash grinder 09:34 after a crash/panic, type 'print moves' in gdb 09:34 i've gotten evilhack over 1 million turns 09:35 vanilla can go for 4-5 million before crashing 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:16737 09:46 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:54 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 09:59 -!- ais523 has quit [Client Quit] 09:59 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 09:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:17471 10:08 <{Demo}> msgs is a good thing to check hmm 10:12 Konnichi wa wizard, welcome to EvilHack! You are a lawful female dwarven Samurai. 10:12 ^ whatcha think? 10:13 <{Demo}> dwarves can't be samurais 10:13 why not 10:13 <{Demo}> its against samurai code to be that short, hairy and drunk 10:13 <@luxidream> Japan doesn’t have dwarves 10:13 <{Demo}> also that 10:13 <{Demo}> :P 10:14 <{Demo}> id play a dwarf sam though if it was an option 10:14 its a playable combo in ad&d 10:14 and yes japan has dorfs 10:15 maybe i try this w/ one lizard 10:15 <@luxidream> Add elf samurai for maximum edge factor 10:15 rebatela nuke with fire from a distance 10:15 ahhh fire. that's right i remember.. i can cast magic missile but you mean like wand of fire ? 10:15 i don't know fireball or whatever 10:16 might just go past her for now 10:16 any fire 10:16 wand/horn/spell 10:16 or just nuke from a distance regardless 10:17 you dont want to close with her if you can help it 10:17 not gonna care if i die anyway.. this dungeon has really sucked and i kinda want to restart 10:21 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:29841 10:21 wewt 10:21 whew... one lizard corpse one prayer. lots of fire / monk slapping 10:21 forgot to haste myself so wasted a turn casting that 10:22 might not have had to pray. she's fast 10:24 castle was right below.. i was going to dig down too. kinda glad i didn't 10:24 altho i have the eye could have just bounced 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:29987 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 347 points, T:779, killed by a warhorse 10:40 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:48458 10:49 <{Demo}> https://i.imgur.com/ks5XCVL.png eek im cornered 11:06 <{Demo}> should an object ever be at y=21? 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonbane", on T:32849 11:14 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:33189 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had an elven dagger named Sting bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:13041 11:27 <{Demo}> nevermind they shouldn't 11:28 Nice spider level. 11:29 <{Demo}> more crashes get 11:33 <@luxidream> Hey K2, are we expecting new content in tnnt this year 11:33 yes 11:35 <@luxidream> 👍 11:35 si 11:36 i have a draft map to make ove rthe next couple days 11:36 tnnt site got some improvements this morning 11:36 aosdict pushed some new commits yesterday to the game code 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12015 11:37 new achievements in the works 11:37 better scoring for various things 11:37 and so on and so forth 11:38 <{Demo}> yey 11:39 <@luxidream> cool 11:39 team limits are coming 11:39 we just havent settled on a max number per team yet 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 95 points, T:225, killed by a giant spider 11:46 dammit... killed the wrong priest :( coaligned 11:46 well that backfired lol 11:47 <{Demo}> assassination successful but you got the wrong guy :P 11:47 <{Demo}> i really like when the fuzzer finds something it shouldn't have 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:17764 11:48 <{Demo}> like when its like damn, got too lucky with that one 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:35239 11:48 <{Demo}> there *happened* to somehow be an object with y 21 and it it happened to choose to kick and happen to choose in its direction, so strange 11:49 argh I had a wonderful armor shop and kitted myself out with mithril and oilskin and a shield of reflection and things, and then I wore the wrong gloves (fumbling) and everything went downhill 11:49 eventually got killed by a water moccasin at the oracle when trying to uncurse 11:50 <{Demo}> i wonder if water moccasins in slex are shoes... 11:51 they're not water *walking* moccasins 11:52 jesus moccasins 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:17780 11:53 dammit lost weaponless too apparently 11:54 <{Demo}> jesus sandals 11:57 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 11:57 <{Demo}> kinda wanna turn off impossibles and just go for crashes but idk 11:58 sure, just temporary 11:58 panics suck but crashes are worse 11:58 <{Demo}> well panics will still panic 11:58 <{Demo}> but impssoibel won't call panic 11:59 <{Demo}> and I'm thinking of disabling options and forcing extmenu 11:59 <{Demo}> already have a few other things forced that are weird to prevent the same outcome of every game 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 243 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:51006 12:02 <{Demo}> would be cool to have a better temp tweak system 12:04 <{Demo}> hmm, it's a lot prettier to watch with options disabled 12:04 <{Demo}> makes me feel like I could hop in any time 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:18947 12:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:19306 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 Grayswandir", on T:19311 12:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:16 a shrieker called a purple worm and it engulfed me 12:16 I read a 300 scroll hoping it was genocide 12:17 and it was genocide 12:17 but cursed! 12:18 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:19 so what happens if you spawn a bunch of purple worms inside a purple worm 12:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:25 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:29 Who put a land mine on Dlvl:1? 12:31 Rodney's realised he doesn't have to mess around with grid bugs and goblins and can just buy a case of landmines 12:32 Rodney set up me the bomb. 12:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 2231 points, T:2755, killed by an orc-captain 12:33 we get signal 12:33 <{Demo}> I like grunthack meat explosions. it should be a spell 12:34 you cast meat explosion! 12:34 also you were grammatically incorrect. its in fact 'Rodney set me up the bomb' 12:34 oh no wait 12:34 all your base are belong to us 12:34 Rodney set me up the bomb is correct 12:35 er yes, yes 12:35 <{Demo}> meat explosion should be barbarian special spell 12:35 <{Demo}> and they yell MEAT EXPLOSION every time they cast it 12:36 like 'food fight' ? 12:36 <{Demo}> but gorey 12:37 <{Demo}> this could be good for ndnh... 12:37 <{Demo}> barb has too many attacks and is too op 12:37 <{Demo}> instead, at higher levels they could get meat explosions 12:37 <{Demo}> and it makes monsters scared 12:41 I wonder what Croesus would charge for those mines. 12:46 it actually is "set up us the bomb" https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=somebody%20set%20up%20us%20the%20bomb 12:47 You are on the way to destruction! 12:49 huh what did i look up 12:49 google autocomplete fooled me 12:54 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 12:56 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 12:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:02 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:04 -!- Glasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:07 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:39618 13:20 Go Team Ant! 13:23 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:50392 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:39923 13:28 got a blessed scroll of charging on very first polymorph (and THAT'S why i never wish for charging...) 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:20243 13:40 YANI: Simple but nice monster AI: doesn't move (or moves rarely and randomly) until it sees you, at which point it goes back to normal monster AI. Not sleeping or anything, just has no reason to move. 13:41 This would allow for some nice level designs, and even possibly allow for some stealth missions where the player gets invisible and sneaks past monsters with this behavior - since they don't see you, they don't change behavior. 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 158 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:55117 13:42 I should probably modify "sees you" to "senses you" - if it's an animal and smells you, or you're not stealthy and it hears you from a few squares away, it should get alerted too. 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide robe", on T:40325 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:40326 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:55154 13:52 aosdict: so basically Angband? :D 13:54 DoomRL I think is the most effective stealth roguelike in spite of having no stealth mechanics 13:55 Tho' we do joke that DCSS is the anti-(shojo manga) - "Please don't notice me, sempai!" 13:55 actually, Angband has the problem that once a monster is awake, it always knows exactly where you are even if you're at the other end of the map 13:55 but it does also have a "get too close or have insufficient stealth, monster wakes up" mechanic 13:58 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3398 points, T:6399, killed by a dwarf 14:05 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 14:09 This isn't the monster being asleep, it's the monster not having any idea an adventurer is roaming around 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:42017 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:21976 14:28 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 242 points, T:333, killed by a hobbit 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed master key of thievery", on T:18066 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had a broadsword named Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:18658 14:53 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 317 points, T:580, killed by a gnomish werejackal 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:24647 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24650 15:10 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:58284 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58285 15:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Ana Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1380 15:29 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:37 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18678 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:61161 16:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Ana Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6496 16:36 xNetHack updated (all servers) 16:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:59 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 16:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 17:02 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:42577 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7059 points, T:4450, killed by a soldier ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 729398 points, T:43132, choked on a black dragon corpse 17:15 ugh 17:15 so so so stupid 17:16 have fun with those bones, hothraxxa 17:16 oh no 17:16 rebatela :( 17:18 i was trying to cast spells to get hungry too... like, i KNEW not to keep eating 17:18 just really dumb 17:18 this game i'm going to ascend though... this is the one 17:19 maybe i can even beat hothraxxa/jilles down there and get my own bones... 17:20 thats the spirit 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:25616 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:25619 17:21 fancy ring store run by a nymph with a lava front wall 17:23 neat 17:23 throw all the rings in the lava 17:24 @Ogomt you around? 17:25 doubt i'll do that, but I sure do love killing the non-human shopkeepers 17:26 so evil 17:28 oh cmon. it' s payback for all those games everyone who liked like that wood nymph ruined 17:30 <@K2> 🙂 17:31 <@Ogomt> I am around, but not for long. On my way to work. 17:31 <@K2> no worries 17:31 <@K2> wanted to say thanks for the latest pull requests 17:31 <@K2> good catch! 17:31 <@Ogomt> Glad I could help :) 17:32 \o/ 17:32 <@Ogomt> Obj properties looks awesome 17:32 <@Ogomt> I'm looking forward to seeing them live 17:32 <@K2> me too, hoping to have 0.4.0 live before xmas 17:33 <@K2> and so far i havent seen any fuzzer issues regarding obj prop 17:33 <@K2> i pushed some more commits today with illithids and race/role combos 17:34 <{Demo}> so dnh slows to a crawl when levels are full 17:34 <{Demo}> like 1 turn takes 2 seconds 17:34 grunthack would get the same way 17:34 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2462 points, T:2683, killed by a snake 17:40 at least im making it to the mid-game fairly consistently... (trying to stay positive over here lol) 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:27127 17:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:51 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Dwa Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an uncursed sokoban prize amulet, on T:21843 17:51 aw crap. flying 17:54 nooo flying is fun 17:54 all the cool kids are doing it 17:54 <{Demo}> it isnt life saving 17:54 it is and i like it, but i need reflection 17:58 dragonbane... 17:59 u better not find my bones before me (dragonhide robe, helm of brilliance, dragonbane, 2 markers, WoW 1:2 etc) 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 369 points, T:789, killed by a brown mold 18:05 what level are they on? 18:05 ... asking for a friend? 18:05 maybe 18:06 who wants to know? 18:06 this is a lousy priest, i'll probably die soon anyway 18:06 upper gehennom 18:06 * K2 looks in the evilhack folder on hdf-us 18:06 hmm 18:06 yeah i could do that do i have integrity 18:06 HMM 18:06 hey there all yours friend 18:07 rm bon* 18:07 hahaha that's cruel k2 18:07 i have seroius doubts i'll get there 18:07 :P 18:07 markes and the wand would be a serious score though (if it left bones) 18:07 hothraxxa i added more race/role combos today and finished illithid 18:08 oh cool. i'll look 18:08 also i had eye of aethiopica and dragonbae 18:08 if i somehow found those it would save me two wishes right there 18:08 juicy 18:08 i've found my own eye of aethiopica in EH before 18:08 next up (if its not too crazy) is covict role. I promised Tangles i'd add it 18:09 oddly i don't think i've ever found my own bones in evilhack 18:09 *convict 18:09 you don't die enough ;( 18:09 whoops meant ;) 18:09 oh i die 18:09 winky sad face is weird 18:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu) had an orcish helm entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:742 18:10 dba going for the bones too 18:10 race is on! 18:10 that black dragon was SO yummy though. I'd do it again 18:11 i'd love to find an altar besides minetown, which is cross-aligned 18:11 yeah.. sometimes there's just no altars.. then sometiems there's dozens 18:12 i've had to do the boulder fort 18:12 my turn count is way high for the stage i've reached 18:12 welcome to my world... 18:12 hey, at least you KNOW what happens at 60k turns 18:12 that was quite the surprise 18:12 i do. i've never experienced it, but i know 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] seven (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15593 18:13 it's amazing for death drops... 18:13 <{Demo}> its not a good time 18:13 i'm kinda screwed really. no reflection, no mr, and i'm below dlvl 10. poly trap, here i come 18:14 wait. you're a priest? Altar can't be that urgent 18:14 you sacrifice for a weapon without an altar and let me know how that goes 18:15 priests absolutely NEED an artifact weapon in evilhack 18:15 <{Demo}> can you take the minetown one? 18:15 ahh gotcha 18:15 <{Demo}> soko earth scrolls into trapped priest 18:15 demo, i might have to 18:15 <{Demo}> into war of attrition 18:15 <{Demo}> where you burn as many thousand turns on that altar as you need 18:15 i just hate doing that because if there ends up not being another temple you can't buy protection til valley 18:16 also, that was soko earth scroll (singular) 18:16 <{Demo}> once you hit the 60k sacs will be popping 18:16 demonbane is the first sac artifact for a priest 18:16 i kill all the priests once i find a second temple loll 18:16 i know 18:16 i didnt know that you knew 18:16 but now i know that you knew 18:16 i read spoilers 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 258 points, T:736, killed by a goblin 18:17 apparently darts are edged weapons. who knew 18:17 <{Demo}> why arent they piercing? 18:17 piercing i'd think? 18:17 <{Demo}> they shouldnt be slicing 18:17 yes BUT WHERE'S THE EDGES? 18:18 if its not whack its bad for priests 18:18 i have an aklys 18:18 the edges are all the way around 18:18 hard to get as a dwarf 18:18 lol 18:18 you're playing a dorf priest 18:19 you ARE a glutton for punishment 18:19 took forever to get a pickax. i had to lure a zombie over to a dwarf and get him zombified 18:19 dont forget innate ability to turn undead 18:19 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:19 k2, i looked longingly at dwarf valk but i just couldn't bring myself to go for the low hanging fruit 18:21 heh 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "grey dragon scale mail", on T:1055 18:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4967 18:30 man... I used to play priests exclusively (much like I do monks these days), and I've never used that inate turn undead thing. completely forgot about it, or maybe i didn't know 18:30 you just #turn? 18:31 yes but it paralyzes you 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1733 18:31 is valk THAT easy?? I know you're talking about getting the first combo or whatever but I like my spellcasting too much 18:32 rebatela: Vanilla-ish? 18:32 i find dwarf valk to be easy, yes. i think most experienced players do 18:33 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:33 in vanilla, a lwaful dwarf valk can get excalibur in the early game and just tank all the way to astral 18:34 I think I still agree with what uh someone said on rgrn once; if you put a gun to my head and told me to ascend or die with my character, lawful dwarven valk, please. 18:34 and this priest has yet to cast a spell at t:22260. my robe is in my boh 18:34 -!- K2 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 18:35 Well, stop threatening to shoot me, you crazy bastard. But failing that, valk. 18:35 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 18:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 18:36 is dipping for excal different in EH? 18:36 I've ascended knights before... Just never have really played valk 18:36 only lawful knights can get it 18:36 u ascended one right? 18:36 or someone did? 18:36 no, mine was a chaotic elf knight 18:37 sweet 18:37 i had dirge 18:37 yeah i remember watching that game 18:41 DIRGE \o/ 18:42 <@riker> !dirge 18:43 <@riker> beholder needs a dirge command 18:43 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ dNetHack 3.18.0 / SpliceHack 0.6.4 now available to play 18:44 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1565 points, T:1952, killed by an invisible gnomish wererat 18:47 coaligned altar on DL1, let's see how fast I die 18:49 dammit... had autopickup on and picked up load stone 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 700 points, T:2117, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted paper golem 18:49 i thought prayer would help 18:53 giant spiders on the upstairs on DL 3 18:53 ... what do I do now with my wimpy 24 HP and no poison resistance? no mines stairs on DL2 18:53 pray 18:53 well I stair danced back to 2 18:54 but this doesn't seem like a winnable fight before I run out of food 18:54 take a chance 18:54 !whereis aosdict 18:54 K2: [hdf-us] aosdict [evil]: (Val Dwa Fem Neu) T:869 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2 18:55 oh you're a valk... yeah go for it 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2787 points, T:3269, killed by a small mimic 18:55 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 18:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 18:56 aosdict is gonna find my bones! 18:56 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 121 points, T:199, killed by a kobold wererat 18:56 I mean, if I were a squishy Tourist, would I have had any other option either? No. 18:57 ah yes evilhack the variant that makes sure you see zombies on every level :P 18:57 "EvilHack: I See Dead People." 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 470 points, T:1679, killed by a werejackal 19:03 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 19:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 418 points, T:1211, killed by a giant bat 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:54834 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 93 points, T:186, burned by a tower of flame 19:07 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1711 points, T:1528, quit 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Dwa Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ancient pseudodragon, on T:22332 19:09 * hothraxxa sighs 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:1628 19:09 sergeant with a wand of polymorph. cloak and armor gone :( 19:10 nooo :( 19:11 xnethack: just fire up a game, sit back and watch it ascend for you 19:11 :P 19:11 shots fired? 19:11 battle won 19:11 lol 19:12 monsters with those wands aboslutely suck though 19:12 yup 19:12 ruined my game. i was sure i had it 19:12 80k turns. had played SO carefully 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 311 points, T:1397, killed by a kitten 19:13 yeah... monsters doing mean things to you can happen sometimes 19:13 <{Demo}> uh 19:13 <{Demo}> just make wands go extinct 19:13 * K2 shows rebatela to his safe space 19:13 they will throw the potions at you too (poly) the way they do confusion/paralysis etc 19:13 <{Demo}> will mr block a thrown poly potion? 19:13 yeah 19:13 or a wand zap 19:13 k2: nahh. i don't need no safe space... I immediately told you that it was the most fun nh game i'd ever had. And i'm still playing 19:14 i know 19:14 so he zapped me twice. all my good armor was on the ground and got polyed 19:14 but i have to poke fun a lil bit 19:14 zap zoop zip zaap 19:14 <{Demo}> is it possible to beat evilhack via attrition? 19:14 hi winny! 19:14 losy 10 ac 19:14 lost 19:14 <{Demo}> like how bad is the spawn rate 1 million turns in? 19:14 how iz things 19:14 {Demo} no idea 19:14 winny good good 19:14 you? 19:14 If it's like Spork, there's a cap but it's ridiculous. You could still go extinctionist. 19:14 <@riker> hey demo good candidates for early-game blessed geno? already did n cuz fuck nymphs 19:15 K2: it go lol :p 19:15 <{Demo}> L 19:15 Evilhack should have itemcide so you can blessed itemcide wands 19:16 i don't like these giant mimics in the early shops tho 19:16 is that a vanilla thing? a giant mimic? they mess ya up, no? 19:16 <@riker> demo: really? I'm not expecting to encounter too many yet 19:16 <@riker> tha'ts vanilla but I'm not worried really 19:16 I was going to ask about that monster spawning thing.. it got real crazy at 60k turns. Are you guys saying it gets worse? 19:17 i should make a new role called 'Snowflake'... or did xnethack already do that? 19:17 ohhhhhhh 19:17 :P 19:18 <{Demo}> uh 19:18 <{Demo}> apparently liches can cause crashes 19:18 The role would be white, cold, and slightly fragile? 19:18 which variant {Demo} 19:18 <{Demo}> dnh 19:18 Pinkbeast lol 19:18 <{Demo}> maybe vanilla? idk 19:18 <@riker> what do they do 19:18 <{Demo}> seems like a 3.4.3 bug 19:18 Has EvilHack replaced SLEX as the chaotic evil variant 19:18 <{Demo}> wait no chris changed covetous code a bit... 19:19 EvilHack is LE 19:19 <{Demo}> tried to warp to uh...80, 38 19:19 Harsh but fair. 19:19 <{Demo}> oops, that 38 is negative 19:19 Plus, SLEX is CN 19:19 evilhack is 'with a purpose but balanced and challenging' evil. slex is 'bwaaaaaah i'm on acid I smell purple lets add n to the x things weeee' evil 19:20 <@riker> grunt is NE? 19:20 DAMMIT amy isnt here again 19:20 grunthack is 'i was going through a bad breakup when i coded this' evil 19:21 <{Demo}> eofflin() putting that value there for some reason 19:25 human knight corpse named hothraxxa with an 'etched staff'.. is that something special ? 19:25 probably enhances a school of spellcasting 19:25 rebatela if you see a staff and its not a quarterstaff, its special 19:26 sweet 19:26 pro tip: always dig up tombs 19:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:32758 19:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:10550 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 6 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:33404 19:40 ugh.. converted an altar and the other god summnoned an angel. almost killed me, prayed, killed it but it spawned with sunsword. No wishing for dragonbane i guess 19:41 <{Demo}> ah damn 19:42 lol@ your slex description K2 19:43 heh 19:43 you could still wish for dragonbane 19:43 i still plan on playing it 19:43 and sunsword is a cool weapon in evilhack 19:43 welll.. i already wished for the eye.. then there's this 'etched staff' and now sunsword 19:43 yeah.. I was thinking about trying sunsword. wasn't sure if you changed it 19:43 that staff is not an artifact 19:43 oh good 19:44 so only 2 created 19:44 none of them are other than the healers quest staff 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] helvetica (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 53 points, T:216, killed by a water moccasin 19:44 but the sunsword counts right? 19:45 yeah 19:45 its an artifact 19:45 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Items 19:47 yeah i might enchant it up. I really like martial arts in EH though 19:48 i mean.. i just killed an angel w it and i only had -2AC (although i did have to pray and almost died) 19:48 sometimes you can do crazy damage with just your hands 19:49 when wielding sunsword, any zombies you kill, their corpses burn up and go away 19:50 <{Demo}> sunslammer 19:50 oh that's awesome 19:50 plus the light source obviously 19:50 I'm just worried about reflection. I love getting that from gloves and saving a slot 19:51 any chance that reflection spell is cumulative like haste self ? 19:51 hmm 19:51 lol i cant remember 19:51 i dont think so 19:51 but maybe 19:52 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1914 points, T:2400, killed by a gold golem 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34956 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34958 19:58 K2: [backscroll] We can throw so much shade at each other. It's easier for me, since my shades don't use a blank glyph. 19:59 hah 19:59 aosdict all you have to do is go 'look how many commits i've had to fix that k2 submitted' 19:59 that'd basically shut me down 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 that would be below the belt, I think 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:00 maybe. but i can take it :P 20:00 <{Demo}> i just come here to get abused 20:02 * aosdict points {Demo} towards that one monty python sketch 20:03 Sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k 20:05 hi AntiGulp 20:05 feeling better? 20:06 Yup! I’m back in the land of the living. 20:07 \o/ 20:07 i had to get mini-me from school early today. stomach bug goin around 20:07 Ugh :( 20:07 It’s that time of year again 20:08 how old's the little one k2? 20:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:15926 20:10 7.5 20:10 yrs 20:14 My snip is 14 yo and still a thing of joy 20:14 Norovirus? I got that one back in Tennessee 20:15 hopefully just the 24 hr variety 20:15 i had it last weekend 20:15 didnt affect me as badly tho 20:16 I was acutely sick for 24 hours but had lack of hunger issues for the following week 20:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 ogresmasher", on T:16508 20:16 <@riker> it's so nice to double your hp with a single wish, lol (112 to 208) 20:17 wait, I'm a valk on level 3. where the heck did this uncursed +0 pick-axe come from? and why is it identified as +0? 20:18 luckstone in a shop. that's awful lucky... 20:18 K2: do I get higher than normal selling prices for a same race shk? 20:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed the invisible Oona, on T:16758 20:19 you must have id'ed it aosdict 20:19 K2: did you implement something like "dwarfs can randomly start with a pickaxe"? 20:19 aosdict yeah same race, the favor goes both ways in most cases 20:19 aosdict yes 20:19 brb putting kid to bed 20:19 better make sure that stone ain't cursed yo 20:20 @luxidream let's analyze the evilhack shk algorithms and see if you can farm infinite gold with a same race shopkeeper and 18 Cha 20:24 K2: why do I know the identity of this staff of divination in this shop 20:24 never seen one before, never formally identified anything so far 20:32 my cat's been repeatedly stealing the staff of divination rather than the towel I actually want, but that's cool with me since I can sell the staff for $266 each time 20:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:17503 20:34 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 20:36 <{Demo}> i think im nearing the wall with fuzzing 20:36 <{Demo}> everything is just too fucked and things need to slow down and some things will just never be fixed 20:39 rebatela: this game is being INSANELY nice to me and I'm scared 20:39 aosdict: its a weapon and valks know all weapons right? 20:39 coaligned altar DL1, same race general store shks on 3 AND 4 20:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:18516 20:40 cant appreciate the sour without the sweet... 20:40 or vice versa 20:40 K2: Okay, so that's more of weirdness with introducing randomized magic weapons that by right, a barbarian, say, shouldn't really know. 20:40 Probably not a valk either? Maybe they know just staff of war. 20:41 i couldnt flag any weapons as magical 20:41 Or whatever spell schools they can advance in 20:41 no room 20:41 <{Demo}> adjust the weapon macro 20:41 no room 20:41 what, you're that strict about 80 character line lengths? 20:41 no not that 20:41 try adding an extra field to weapon see what happens 20:42 anyways, it'd be easy to exlude those staves from fighter types knowing all weapons 20:42 exclude 20:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:8114 20:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Black Arrow, on T:18903 20:44 <@riker> eyyyy 20:44 an empty bag, 67 zorkmids 20:44 HMMMMMMMMM 20:44 <@riker> first time I've had that gift 20:45 its a bag of nothing 20:45 "You hear a low groaning. You are beginning to feel hungry." nice YAFMC 20:45 you can put things in, but nothing can ever come back out 20:45 ^ EPI 20:45 * aosdict looks up objects.c just to be sure 20:45 hahahah 20:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Gaia's Fate, on T:18970 20:46 <{Demo}> k2 i dont think thats right 20:46 wut 20:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Nodensfork, on T:19143 20:47 <{Demo}> just like 20:47 <{Demo}> define a #STAFFWEAPON macro 20:47 <{Demo}> and have it the same as WEAPON but the mgc bit is set 20:49 your words frighten and confuse my primitive caveman brain 20:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Mjollnir, on T:19601 20:52 <@riker> please give me something good dude 20:52 <{Demo}> http://0x0.st/ztUn.c 20:52 <{Demo}> something like this 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:39380 20:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given Mirror Brand, on T:20294 20:54 <@riker> finally 20:56 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 20:57 oooh 20:57 thx {D 20:57 {Demo} 20:57 o} 20:57 <{Demo}> and then make it so if its magc that WARRIors dont know it and spell magoos do 20:57 'spell magoo' 20:58 no role! 20:58 new rather 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:67615 20:59 #define STAFFWEAPON(name,desc,kn,mg,bi,prob,wt, \ 20:59 cost,sdam,ldam,hitbon,typ,sub,metal,color) \ 20:59 ^ no mgc bit 20:59 <{Demo}> yeah nah doesnt need it 21:00 <{Demo}> the mgc bit is uh below 21:00 <{Demo}> BITS(kn, mg, 1, 0, 1, 1 21:00 <{Demo}> that last bit is mgc 21:00 <{Demo}> in the weapon definition its a 0 always 21:00 If the mgc bit is hardcoded, I'd name this particular macro MAGICSTAFF 21:00 <{Demo}> in the STAFFWEAPON its mgc 21:00 <{Demo}> yeah magicstaff would be better 21:00 hmm 21:00 since quarterstaves are not magic 21:00 <{Demo}> i like that name better 21:00 <{Demo}> also qstaffs dont use it 21:05 is it a known bug that water squares in the mines are treated as lit 21:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10483 21:11 <{Demo}> i think it is intended 21:12 izchak's got a magic lamp. woo? no, no, it's the game trying to make me hope again 21:12 Devteam Kremlinology, ho 21:15 8x5 hardware store and no magic lamps (and obviously no markers :( ) 21:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:24055 21:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:24265 21:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:24277 21:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:24313 21:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:24359 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 68 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:55628 21:26 YANI: new take on shopkeeper identification: shopkeepers that aren't general store owners will sell identification of anything they sell for a fixed price. General store owners will identify anything, but the cost of each identify grows exponentially. (Or possibly, they just won't identify stuff.) 21:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed Garland, on T:24970 21:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:25004 21:30 <@riker> ah yes, the black arrow isn't stupid at all 21:31 <@riker> 2 shots no hits on chaos :/ 21:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:25202 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:56269 21:33 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had a light green spellbook bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:2384 21:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) killed A'salom, on T:25450 21:34 <@riker> uh where exactly is the cloak of the consort 21:34 <@riker> oh thank god it's in teh chest 21:34 <@riker> if another drow quest was broken... 21:35 hey my wishing wand turned to dust 21:35 are they non-rechargeable in xnh or what 21:38 ah yes, they are 21:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) became the Hand of Keptolo, on T:25792 21:39 <@riker> nevermind another drow quest seems to be brokem 21:39 !whereis aoei 21:39 aosdict: [hdf-eu] aoei [xnh]: (Sam Hum Fem Law) T:15455 Gehennom level: 34 21:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 72 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:56659 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:38909 21:49 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:26115 21:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:26120 21:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 778062 points, T:26195, killed by a blast of acid 21:53 <@riker> bad spot to revgeno oh well 21:54 <@riker> I'm waiting for chris to fix that now I guess :/ 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:58223 22:11 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1892 points, T:2693, killed by a Mordor orc 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 861 points, T:1396, killed by a crossbow bolt 22:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:39575 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:39575 22:18 woop woop 22:26 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1000 points, T:1573, killed by a wolf 22:31 K2: This is probably all the PR I need: "xNetHack: You can still wish for markers." 22:37 -!- tonehack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43 orcus before ashikaga? hm 22:43 <{Demo}> need the wand of death 22:43 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:39638 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:39783 22:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 511 points, T:1742, killed by a system shock 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided gremlin, on T:39896 22:56 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 533 points, T:903, killed by a rock piercer 22:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 4384 points, T:3577, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while praying 23:00 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 23:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:42501 23:07 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 952 points, T:1214, killed by a sewer rat 23:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] avgas (Val Dwa Fem Law), 18560 points, T:11578, quit 23:09 aosdict: my PR - 'we didn't change elves to the letter Q' 23:09 lol 23:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 850 points, T:1663, killed by a tinker gnome 23:10 <@riker> YANI: bare-handed / martial arts change die size as you advance in skill, instead of damage bonuses 23:10 aosdict: initially i wanted the pools of water in the mines to not be lit (like grunthack) but after playing a few rounds, its actually fine 23:11 your odds of not running into a pool of water arent that much better 23:11 <@riker> i.e. bare-handed at unskilled is d2, basic is d3, etc. to a GM d7 (d5 at exp) 23:11 at least you can see in advance that you're going for a swim 23:11 @riker por que no los dos 23:12 * K2 adds electric eels to the rives in the mines 23:12 <@riker> martial arts is double that, so d4 -> d6 -> ... d14 at exp 23:12 you mean at GM? 23:12 <@riker> yeah sorry 23:12 <@riker> aosdict: well I'd be fine with standard wep damage bonuses, and this to replace what they have now in terms of funky damage 23:12 that's a pretty good idea 23:13 <@riker> keeps the "75% of the time they get the bonus" thing there in spirit, but the executino was wack imo 23:13 so you mean they get the same skill bonuses as everyone else without having a separate bonus table for martial arts right? 23:13 I'm all for that 23:13 <@riker> yep 23:13 <@riker> and then extra skill buffs die size (but not any more to-hit than standard weps) 23:14 <@riker> this would NOT work well with dnh's martial arts I think (half-dragon monks would deal d42s) but it would work well for xnh probably 23:14 or just give monks an extra attack at GM 23:14 :P 23:14 <@riker> I believe that's what ndnh does 23:14 evilhack does that 23:15 Amy would also be happy with this because she likes samurai so much 23:15 <@riker> yeah sure that works for buffing damage 23:15 and enchanted gloves act like a weapon enchantment 23:15 <@riker> but I think buffing die size is more thematic 23:15 <@riker> k2: wow, dragonbane is a REALLY good artiwish for monks then 23:15 si 23:16 its good all the way around 23:16 i'm bringing back dragonbane :P 23:16 I was going to mention this: for an early stab at fixing to-hit, how about we remove the weapon's enchantment bonus to to-hit completely. Keep it for damage, but you're now no more likely to hit something with a +7 sword than a +0. 23:16 <@riker> I might see if I can get chris to add it to dnh like that 23:17 <@riker> it's a lawful lance right now 23:17 To be fair, 3.6.1 made strides with dragonbane too 23:17 reflecto-sword. how cool is that 23:17 not as cool as dragonbane reflecto-gloves of death 23:18 and excellence 23:18 had an idea for a simpler mirror brand: it's just a sword that gives reflection 23:19 <@riker> I somewhat like dnh's mirrorblades (base item type) - short sword damage or the target's weapon, whichever is better 23:19 vanitybrand 23:19 <@riker> stacks with enchantment - i.e. +7 mirrorblade will do +7 on top of the other item's enchantment + base damage 23:20 if knight and cha 18 spend 50% of all turns admiring yourself in vanitybrand 23:20 <@riker> one of those that can be #invoked for enlightenment (big mirror) and grants reflection would be neat 23:21 mirror mirror on the wall, who's the greatest of them all? 23:22 <@riker> I believe the correct response there is "dirge" 23:22 DIRGE \o/ 23:22 heh 23:22 @riker yes that's cool but it's also a classically overcomplicated dnh mechanic 23:23 <@riker> oh for sure 23:23 <@riker> which is why I partially like it 23:23 <@riker> it's really clunky and cool to admire but rarely useful in practice 23:24 That invoke for enlightment could be a good idea for a MMoM invoke effect 23:24 <@riker> does it do anythign right now? 23:25 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1057 points, T:1819, quit 23:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Neu), 885 points, T:1462, killed by a little dog 23:26 no 23:27 MMoM is good enough right now that it doesn't really need that, but it would also be cool on another artifact mirror. 23:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a copper runed dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:4621 23:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1453 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered Christine, her faithful horse, on T:123248 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered Christine, her faithful horse, on T:123301 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:60159 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:60161