00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:47851 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45327 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45328 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 4739 points, T:5911, killed by a gargoyle 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a rothe corpse, on T:3602 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:42962 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:46185 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:46190 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:44076 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7122 01:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:8 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Poseidon, on T:8791 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Poseidon, on T:10184 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2564 01:23 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 01:24 what's the command for singleshot (as opposed to multishot)? I think it's in the wiki somewhere, but can't seem to find... 01:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "+2 blessed historic fixed silver dragon scale mail named Antigulp's Denim Jacket", on T:10705 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 6951 points, T:3925, killed by a panther 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12797 02:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:10 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:13 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5222 02:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:4380 02:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:4566 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Ptah, on T:5920 02:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) murdered Secretariat, his faithful pony, on T:5099 03:10 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:17 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 03:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7715 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6990 04:29 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:20 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 05:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 06:13 -!- vevais has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:16 bhaak, https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/d64rjl/unnethack_questions/ 06:23 why did they delete themself_ 06:23 shrug 06:27 I've skimmed it already when it was posted but I wasn't sure if it was entirely serious. the beginning is already hilarious "Note:There are no links but reddit's editor seems to think so." 06:27 1.How != 1. How 06:27 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 06:27 YEAH 06:27 yeah* 07:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 493 points, T:1183, killed by a poisonous corpse 07:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 29 points, T:79, killed by a water moccasin 07:37 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:11 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 08:13 morning 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed amulet of reflection", on T:14139 08:21 heh, judas priest 08:22 -!- stennowork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:69710 08:25 nice! ( 0:8 ) 08:28 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:29 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 08:29 -!- stennowork has quit [Changing host] 08:29 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh4] keleseth (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 46052 points, T:9298, killed by a horse 08:37 prince keleseth 08:45 -!- nengel has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- attie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47 ugh i forgot the problem with playing a super long game is i might have to rewrite spellbooks 08:49 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:59 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 09:03 <{Demo}> yeah 09:03 <{Demo}> I plan to counter that 09:03 <{Demo}> in a dumb way 09:04 interesting how you can forget the spell, but remember how to write the book to refresh your memory with 09:07 <{Demo}> good point 09:07 <{Demo}> that is kinda goofy 09:12 probably the one shred of Vancian magic systems that nethack retains? 09:13 <{Demo}> when was extended magic merged into vanilla? 09:13 3.4.1? 09:14 3.3.0 according to wiki 09:14 hm no 09:14 yeah 09:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:15264 09:18 <{Demo}> the only difference I remember between 3.4.0 and 3.4.3 is floating eyes and silver dragons having different colors 09:20 what color were they in 3.4.0? 09:21 <{Demo}> floating eyes were a different shade of blue and silver dragons were darker silver, I guess cyan maybe, same color as a pickaxe 09:22 Iron dragons? 09:22 <{Demo}> maybe shocking spheres changed color 09:22 <{Demo}> idk, I remember you couldn't tell floating eyes apart from them 09:23 <@Tone> I assumed memorizing a spell from a magic book for spellcasting purposes is different than just being able to recreate the book 09:23 <@Tone> Like how in D&D spell memorization is a sort of magic process, I think 09:24 and it's the marker that's doin the magic of recreating the book, you're really just remembering the name 09:24 shocking spheres are high-intensity blue in 3.4.3 09:25 so maybe they were dark blue in 3.4.0, like floating eyes are nowadays 09:25 <{Demo}> that would make sense 09:30 <{Demo}> cpm should be glass orb color 09:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 12854 points, T:5699, killed by a vampire lord, while sleeping 09:38 but cpm is made out of 'crystal' not glass 09:38 iirc 09:39 isn't crystal just a mixture of glass with some lead in it 09:39 in vanilla technically its material is glass 09:39 oh? 09:40 crystal is a sort of glass 09:40 oh yeah 09:40 1, 0, 1, 0, 10, 5, 450, 820, 3, 2, ARM_SUIT, GLASS, CLR_WHITE), 09:40 (which is strange, because glass isn't crystalline, it's amorphous) 09:40 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_glass 09:41 hey K2, implement a monster that hates lead and let players bash it over the head with crystal plate mail 09:42 crystal plate in evilhack is no longer glass 09:42 its gemstone 09:52 <{Demo}> that's less goofy 09:56 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:71039 10:13 almost don't want to wear the eyes of overworld because takes more than a turn to blind myself for these beholders, magical eyes. Can't just put towel on 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:17077 10:18 there should be clip-on sunglasses for eoto 10:23 now that would be awesome 10:24 rebatela: this is how i deal with beholders. as soon as i see a 5 warning, i put on the towel. if it stays a 5 (ie doesn't have a mind) then i keep the towel on until i find out what it really is 10:25 <{Demo}> applying eota should make them go dark 10:26 been doing the same, but wearing eyes (for MR ) so have to either take off robe/put on cloak OR remove flying amulet put/put on eye of aethiopica then put on towel 10:26 how did you get MR when you played monk in evil hothraxxa? cloak of MR? I guess I should just do that. But i like the MC2 from robe (and wearing ring of prot) 10:27 plus can wear shield and still cast with robe 10:27 <{Demo}> I would never not wear an aols 10:27 yani: gauntlets of dexterity allow you to change up all your armour in one move 10:27 <{Demo}> but I play stupid 10:27 well, you wouldn't be able to fly the whole game 10:27 for starters 10:28 i almost never wear aols 10:28 i left 5 or 6 of them in my stash in my last game 10:28 > stash 10:28 i mean, i wish i could but i'm already having a problem with the amulet slot lol. I have 5 or 6 of them too but nor wearing 10:28 pls 10:29 i wore one on astral because i had nothing better for the amulet slot 10:29 <{Demo}> I'd lev ring 10:29 didn't need flying anymore, which is what i wore everywhere except plane of water, for which i had magical breathing 10:29 <{Demo}> I hate to and I love flight 10:30 <{Demo}> I am prone to typoing myself to death 10:30 <{Demo}> brain just kinda quits working and I press keys and die 10:31 at vlad's... i don't like the sound of this "lifestealer" thing 10:32 <{Demo}> me neither 10:32 <{Demo}> my run I skipped vlad and rodney 10:32 <{Demo}> I think I skipped vlad at least... 10:32 lifestealer can ruin your day 10:32 <{Demo}> actually no I had stormy and fought him with that 10:33 you skipped vlad and rodney? 10:33 that works. i read a scroll of earth on the down stairs first 10:34 in my grunt game vlad had a thisty polearm and took me down from xl17 to xl5 before i killed him 10:35 doesn't vlad always have a thirsty polearm in grunt? 10:36 i don't know. i knew he'd have something thirsty. i thought i was prepared but i'd just fucked up and gotten polyed into a yellow dragon 10:37 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:39 <@Tone> You should be able to get your levels back with a blessed potion of restore ability 10:39 <{Demo}> I might not have skipped vlad, don't recall 10:40 <{Demo}> but there was no vibesquare 10:40 <{Demo}> just a staircase to sanctum 10:40 <{Demo}> back when I played it 10:42 tone: full healing will get up to half of your levels back but i think you probably know that 10:42 hothraxxa: the downstairs on the top level of tower? 10:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:43 yes. i always put a boulder there in 3.6 variants 10:43 because 3.6 vlad will escape if you don't 10:43 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:17047 10:44 right. for some reason i thought i someone do it on the bottom, like the entrance to tower, but that makes more sense. thank you 10:44 <@Tone> I meant that restore ability does that in 362 and probably does it in evilhack 10:44 he still might have cursed teleportation scrolls 10:44 (i usually rubber chicken him these days in vanilla) 10:44 he did in my grunt game. took a while to find him 10:44 yep. I've had that happen too 10:45 sucks actually 10:45 @Tone The thing I wish they would fix about this is that quaffing full healing actually makes the game *forget* that you had previously leveled up to 14. Now it thinks you leveled up to 13, and restore ability won't take you beyond that. 10:45 ais523: ^ any chance of a fix there? 10:45 <@Tone> That's interesting, I did not know that 10:46 aosdict: no chance in the 3.6 series, it'd require changing the save file format 10:46 <@Tone> So you're kinda screwed if you actually needed to heal during the fight 10:46 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:46 @Tone that's how the "half lost levels" thing comes about, your level goes up by 1 and your maximum level reached goes down by 1 10:46 I'm also not convinced it's a bug, it makes sense for the more readily available level reclaiming source to have nasty side effects 10:47 otherwise there's not really a tradeoff involved 10:47 i never thought it was a bug, i thought it was intended 10:48 the main argument I can think of the other way is that you don't necessarily want level restoring effects from drinking full healing, you might just want the HP. 10:48 <@Tone> Well there was no reason to track your true max level when the full healing effect was implemented, right? It only matters now that restore ability restores levels 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 367 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46013 10:49 There might also be other adverse side effects related to ulevelmax. 10:50 Oh, praying and getting a golden glow also reduces your level max by 1, which is really weird since that's a boon 10:51 whut? wtf 10:51 I should say, it reduces it if you had lost levels 10:51 same effect as blessed full healing 10:52 @Tone I think the first reason I ran into this stuff was because I was considering implementing a feature where you'd be allowed into the quest if you had reached the requisite XL at some point before, even if you'd been drained since then 10:53 <@Tone> Ah, interesting. 10:54 aosdict: i remembered the other thing that was detrimental to healers, but i don't think you implemented it: your revised spellcasting 10:55 I should try to ascend a healer in xnethack next 10:56 good luck trying to get a decent early game weapon ;) 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 140 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46551 10:59 man, nobody has ascended a dwarf valk in evilhack yet. so tempting but it seems cheap 11:00 <{Demo}> haha 11:01 it's probably not the gimme it is in most variants 11:02 can't get excalibur for one thing 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5502 points, T:5540, quit 11:02 <{Demo}> how bad is orc wizard? 11:02 <{Demo}> compared to other wizards 11:02 <{Demo}> in a 200k+ turn game 11:02 pretty cool 11:02 oh 11:03 not relevant 11:03 well my second speciality after gnome healers is orc wizards 11:03 orcs are cool because of intrinsic PR and of course infravision 11:03 i like them. they're a bit disadvantaged being orcs though 11:03 nobody likes you 11:04 orc wizard is handicapped because native 16 int 11:05 -!- Guest4946 has joined #hardfought 11:05 but they're fun at parties 11:06 k2, what's the deal on grunt ogre players? anything special? 11:06 treat them like playing a giant 11:07 so armour limits? 11:07 yup 11:07 thought that might be so 11:07 and since they can only be chaotic, MR choices are extremely limited 11:08 -!- Guest4946 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:08 <{Demo}> how much of a handicap is 16 int? 11:08 <{Demo}> in the endgame 11:08 you need a helm of brilliance to get hungerless casting 11:09 you'll probably never cast fod 11:09 at least i never have 11:10 otoh i never cast it even if i can 11:12 <{Demo}> hmm 11:13 <{Demo}> that is a problem 11:13 <{Demo}> the hungerless casting, maybe 11:13 <{Demo}> idk 11:13 <{Demo}> how hungerful is casting at 16? 11:13 imo its enough that you'd want hungerless casting 11:13 10*spell level i think 11:14 <{Demo}> hmm, 25% of 10*spell level 11:14 oh for wizards it's 2.5*spell level 11:14 right 11:14 anyway look at the cost with the amulet 11:15 <{Demo}> is gain int ring a thing? 11:15 in eveil? no 11:15 -e 11:16 just get a helm of brilliance. you'll be fine 11:16 as an orc, price-id can be difficult btw 11:16 in evil 11:17 <{Demo}> i need dragonhide hat 11:17 then you're stuck at int 16 11:17 oh you mean in your current game? 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:47892 11:18 <{Demo}> no i mean for the master plan 11:18 <{Demo}> i guess int 16 will be enough 11:19 <{Demo}> bleh, cannot find mines 11:19 can't get brilliance on a dragonhide hat 11:20 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:22 because HoB base material is iron, it can never be dragonhide 11:22 also, object properties is done for evilhack 0.4 - brilliance is not an object property :) 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1748 points, T:1441, killed by a dart 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:17400 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:17416 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48691 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48693 11:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1239 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:47655 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:47659 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:47724 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:47725 11:50 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: NAE TROOSERS] 11:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:54 <{Demo}> fatty, greasy, salty potatoes are my bane 11:55 i used to like grease for a long time but nowadays i can't really stand it 11:55 probably a good thing 11:59 I generally don't like grease, but certain specific greasy foods _do_ appeal to me. Sausage, ice cream, and, yes, hashbrowns are good examples. 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:01 <{Demo}> can i apply a can of grease to my food ration? 12:02 relevant https://nhqdb.alt.org/?512 12:03 lol 12:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Cloak of the Unheld One", on T:3216 12:05 how do you even memorize the bazillion dnethack artifacts 12:06 you don't, you use the dnethack artifacts page as backup memory 12:06 <{Demo}> you don't 12:06 <{Demo}> only know the good ones and refer for the others 12:07 haha 12:09 <{Demo}> Grotto town 12:09 <{Demo}> :/ 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled ASHPD SODALG on an altar, on T:4423 12:11 <{Demo}> I hate grotto town 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:18507 12:12 evilhack statuaries are probably a good source of spellbooks. Too bad I'm not a caster. 12:14 YANI: Add a mechanic (maybe a new level flag) that makes the level unmappable... but only as long as the quest nemesis is alive; if they're dead mapping will work again. 12:15 <{Demo}> how do I get a cursed towel off my face? 12:15 Corollary YANI: would be nice if unmappable levels also suppressed other cross-level divination effects like detect objects and detect monsters and clairvoyance. 12:15 <{Demo}> is it a major trouble? 12:15 {Demo}: probably minor 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 3579 points, T:5018, killed by a chameleon imitating a soldier ant 12:18 <{Demo}> bleh, was burdened, carrying stuff to sell and it surprised me 12:19 <{Demo}> need a coaligned altar anyways 12:20 <{Demo}> should this strat involve start scumming... 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1533 points, T:2520, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted black unicorn 12:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11699 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 885 points, T:1503, killed by a hobbit 12:30 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 12:30 <{Demo}> bleh, they got me with the confusion potion 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 105 points, T:416, killed by a narrow pointy stake 12:33 <{Demo}> wow, same thing happened 20 turns in the next game 12:34 are there wide pointy stakes too? 12:35 <{Demo}> there are broad and universal pointy stakes I'm sure 12:35 lol a universal pointy stake 12:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35 that should say stick 12:36 not stake 12:36 i need to swap a couple msgs 12:36 stakes are always pointed? 12:36 pointy* 12:36 yeah but pointy stick sounds better to me 12:36 ultra nit-picking 12:36 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:37 I think I mean the same thing as you, "pointy stake" is a tautology 12:38 * K2 had to look up the word 'tautology' 12:38 <{Demo}> odds of an altar visible in starting room in evil? 12:40 it means literally "saying the same thing" :-) 12:41 <{Demo}> hmm, might start scum slow digestion 12:41 no reason to use my evil twin account except that I was using that to read backscroll 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 376 points, T:902, killed by a crossbow bolt 12:47 <{Demo}> evilhack reminds me of slashem 12:48 <@malor> If Demo is getting killed in "evil" I think I will stay away :). He basically (or actually really) wins at dNethack every single time. 12:49 <{Demo}> I'm not playing the same though 12:49 <{Demo}> I'm playing trying to get a certain encounter 12:49 <{Demo}> where as dnh it is more asc focused 12:49 <{Demo}> also I'm a lot better practiced at dnh and tend to play easier role race combos 12:50 <{Demo}> wizards in evil have it rough early on if ur bad at them like me 12:50 <{Demo}> I just need an altar and a lot of time to sacrifice on it 12:51 K2: if you can change the message to say "pointed stick" you get a bonus monty python reference 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 323 points, T:1031, killed by a fire elemental 12:55 <{Demo}> oh hmm 12:55 <{Demo}> you aren't actually supposed to use forges 12:55 <{Demo}> got it 12:56 you use fountains though 12:56 odds are same getting a water demon 12:56 <{Demo}> no I mean for burning zombies 12:56 <{Demo}> yeah 12:56 <{Demo}> they are evadable 12:56 sure you can 12:56 <{Demo}> nah 12:57 heh 12:57 <{Demo}> would be retarded 12:57 you'd feel right at home then 12:57 <{Demo}> risking a fire elemental (certain death) 12:57 <{Demo}> lol 12:57 :) 12:57 sometimes the fire elemental comes out tame 12:57 <{Demo}> how rare? 12:57 <{Demo}> wish rare? 12:57 no 12:57 i dont remember exactly 12:58 <{Demo}> a lichen gave me slow... will this time out? 12:58 <{Demo}> also wtf 12:59 yes 13:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 13:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 13:01 @mtf we didnt go back to once an hour did we with rld? 13:02 forges explode. you will not like them when they explode. 13:02 its like a nice hot shower 13:02 or olaf dreaming about summer 13:02 aosdict: you'd think that evilhack statuaries would be a good source of spellbooks but my experience has been that they are not 13:03 You are being punished for your misbehavior! Your movements are only slowed slightly by your load. 13:03 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:03 i don't think i've ever found a spellbook in a statuary in evil 13:03 raisse: corpse rotted out from inventory with really confusing timing? 13:04 nope, read the letter 'k' scroll instead of the letter 'l' scroll 13:04 punishment instead of identify 13:04 oh, and the corpse vanishing was enough to push you down a burden level? 13:04 some knowledge is not meant for oridnary mortals 13:04 s/corpse/scroll/ 13:05 i assumed she was unburdened 13:05 <{Demo}> hothraxxa do you use forges early on to burn kobold zombies? 13:05 ais523: yes, found bones and now trying to lug the stuff to a place where I can identify it and leave some of it 13:05 not usually. i have done but with great trepidation 13:06 hothraxxa: the reason the message combination is confusing is that raisse went strained → burdened as a result of becoming punished, which is the wrong direction 13:06 at first i thought great, a way to get rid of zombie plagues! then one exploded... 13:07 hmm 13:07 I wasn't burdened until I picked up all that bones stuff (including an empty bag which may or may not be holding) 13:07 maybe should base that off of luck 13:07 <{Demo}> I think they are a gag feature 13:07 *is either holding or oilskin 13:07 <{Demo}> in their current implementation 13:07 if u.uluck >= n dont explode 13:07 because, being an arc. I know about sacks 13:07 <{Demo}> which is pretty evil 13:07 {Demo} you must be used to being wrong alot 13:07 you keep doing it repeatedly 13:08 k2: that would be nice, because the exploding chance is the same as a fountain gushing water, isn't it? 13:08 hm, it's oilskin 13:08 hothraxxa i think so 13:08 i havent looked at forges code in a while 13:08 nope, it's holding! 13:08 !rn2(30) sounds right 13:08 just needed my pick-axe put in as well 13:08 so 1/30. too high for my taste unless i really really need to get rid of the corpses 13:09 i'll go and fetch a box before i use a forge 13:09 assuming i have a key 13:09 added to the to-do 13:10 mostly, however, i just avoid evilhack zombies until i have a unihorn 13:10 <{Demo}> if I dig down on a forge do I get lava? 13:10 try it i dast ya 13:11 i think so 13:12 me digging down onto a forge: 13:12 The forge splits in two as molten lava rushes forth! You fall into the lava! 13:12 Your bullwhip bursts into flame! Your leather jacket bursts into flame! Your fedora bursts into flame! 13:12 You burn to a crisp... 13:12 :D 13:12 so... yes 13:13 and if you somehow survive it leaves a pool of lava in its place 13:14 it's the same as walking on laval, bacisally. if you have fireproof water-walkers, you're good but your inventory is vulnerable 13:14 or if you're flying, ui suppose 13:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:15 damn these cursed -5 gloves of mistyping 13:15 <{Demo}> bleh mean fire elementals 13:16 <{Demo}> apparently they have the same speed and difficulty as water demons 13:16 i think they can engulf 13:16 <{Demo}> how much dmg does a scroll burning or potion burning or spbk burning in your invent do? 13:16 <{Demo}> yeah they can 13:16 <{Demo}> they also get item destruction and without the dmg from that have like hella more dmg but hmm 13:16 same as vanilla 13:17 <{Demo}> only speed 12 13:17 <{Demo}> yeah 13:17 imo k2 hasn't added any incentive to use a forge. i think there were some ideas along those lines but there's nothing yet 13:18 yeah i did 13:18 burning up zombies isn't enough 13:18 if you have a corroded/rusted metal object, dipping it in the forge has a chance of repairing one level of damage 13:19 you could take a thoroughly rusted long sword and make it new again 13:19 also 13:19 oh right i recall that know. still not good enough for me, but maybe someone desperate 13:19 say you're wearing or wielding a cursed item that isnt burn proof 13:19 <{Demo}> need something worth risking the deadly effects, yeah 13:19 dip - gone 13:19 did you add burning off a ball and chain? 13:20 no, thats made of metal 13:20 vanilla doesnt have a melting component 13:20 it'd melt! 13:20 however 13:20 ooh a boulder 13:20 because water damage can completely rust away an object, just go for a swim 13:20 um 13:21 you'd drown first wouldn't you? 13:21 depends on how burdened you are 13:21 carry the iron ball 13:21 oh so you pop right out if you aren't burdened? 13:22 i think the threshold is stressed? 13:22 not sure 13:22 rinse and repeat, as they say 13:22 :) 13:22 acid can completely corrode away unprotected objects too fyi 13:22 YANI: pools of acid 13:22 yellowstone has them 13:23 looks like pristine clear water 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 247 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:50852 13:23 <{Demo}> slex has them 13:23 go for a swim - dead 13:23 <{Demo}> (probably) 13:23 i don't think the yellow pools in slex would be acid 13:23 hahahah 13:23 just my hunch 13:24 <{Demo}> urine lakes aren't acid 13:25 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 13:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 13:25 yay nymph stole my cloak 13:25 (it was -2 invisibility) 13:25 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 13:26 hahaha... EPI: allow object materials to affect heavy iron ball & chain, chance of material that cant be corroded/rusted away 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging named LEEEEEROY JEEAAEAENKINS", on T:17725 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 1658 points, T:5881, quit 13:26 hahaah AntiGulp 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof historic +2 cloak of magic resistance named My Self-Respect", on T:17727 13:28 hothraxxa do you have a challenger? 13:28 <{Demo}> my evilhack evilscheme needs some revisions 13:29 <{Demo}> are zombies genocidable? 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof spellbook of identify named My Diary", on T:17729 13:29 yes 13:30 i might be evil, but i'm not a dick 13:30 <{Demo}> that would be a goofy genocide 13:30 <{Demo}> so the start im looking for is too rare to scum for unfortunately 13:32 <{Demo}> "why don't you just play the damn game" 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed historic ring of free action named Don't touch me mkay thank you", on T:17944 13:33 ok I’m done for now 13:35 K2: I don't remember anything about yellowstone being dangerously acidic. Sure, the pH levels vary between pools, but from what I remember the real danger is not being able to tell whether it's comfortably warm or boiling 13:36 or comfortably warm for the top 6 inches and boiling beneath that 13:36 i was there a couple yrs ago 13:36 isn't the yellow thing just schwefel 13:36 some of the pools there have a very low pH 13:36 my admiration for your naming choices, antigulp 13:36 sulfur 13:36 Thanks hothraxxa. I learned from the best :) 13:37 <{Demo}> what about the hot pools 13:37 <{Demo}> that would be a funny evil feature 13:37 <{Demo}> occasionally spawn steam vortices 13:37 <{Demo}> and if you hop in without fire res you boil 13:37 YASI: When a priest casts geyser at you, spawn steam vortices 13:38 <{Demo}> yasi: combined planes levels 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker named mundane pencil", on T:18173 13:38 the plane of firewater 13:38 <{Demo}> air + earth = sandstorm desert 13:38 <{Demo}> fire + water = steamy calderas 13:38 air + water = the current plane of water, except with lightning 13:38 <{Demo}> and crazy geysers 13:39 <{Demo}> air + fire = california? 13:39 AntiGulp you ever the email i sent you a few days ago 13:39 What do you want to eat? [gruE or ?*] 13:39 K2: Oh oops yea 13:39 It is dark. You may be eating a grue. 13:39 I thought the grues ate us, not vice versa? 13:39 It is dark. You are likely to eat a grue. 13:39 my firstborn to the developer who makes the plane of water into anything but the horrible boredom that it currently is 13:39 jinx 13:39 AntiGulp yours is better 13:40 <{Demo}> water plane is brilliant 13:40 <{Demo}> if the plan was to be mean 13:40 it's terminally tedious, and more so in 3.6 than in 3.4 13:40 see i told you you'd need a helm of brilliance 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:20067 13:40 <{Demo}> yeah it makes you wanna #quit 13:41 <{Demo}> killing you in a way no other plane could :P 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:18263 13:41 uh 13:41 forgot about the trapdoor 13:41 oops 13:41 <{Demo}> some sort of flooding cave earth+water plane could be cool 13:41 oh and there’s a master lich here nice 13:41 <{Demo}> uh oh 13:42 raisse: this is why I didn't change Water in NH4; the 3.6 changes are more sensible flavourwise but I could tell that the gameplay would be awful 13:42 fwiw, Water would probably be better if the bubbles didn't move at all (thus forcing the use of magical breathing or similar); although that's evil in a different way, at least it's unusual and makes the ascension kit larger 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:18266 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:51369 13:43 I tend to not mind much if I die on the way up with the amulet so I don't need to do the planes 13:43 I've got more astral splats than ascensions in 3.6 13:43 ais523: That would be more okay if there were more than 2 ways to get through the bubbles. 13:44 YANI: you can zap fire at the water squares to create air spaces (and bridge between bubbles) but it does create steam vortices. 13:44 that's a lot easier than the magical breating and polymorph methods 13:45 clearly you already have a helm of brilliance 13:45 <{Demo}> ok, so for the combined planes path they randomly replace some of the planes 13:45 <{Demo}> and theres also a special dungeon level accessible from around medusa lvl where you can go to one of the combined planes you didnt roll that game 13:45 why? 13:48 <{Demo}> there will be something to fight there and some prize, know which plane to not prepare for, so even if you can't make it to the planes you can still get a cool taste 13:49 <{Demo}> the dunce cap was dragonhide, I had no choice but to try it on 13:50 You attack thin air! It hits! 13:50 Raisse, killed by thin air. 13:51 amulet of magical breathing should save you from thin air 13:52 <{Demo}> the dunce cap was dragonhide, I had no choice but to try it on 13:52 poor demo, stuck repeating messages because he's wearing a dunce cap 13:52 -!- nengel has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 13:59 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:22851 14:06 -!- vevais has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 14:13 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 14:20 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 214 points, T:487, killed by a large kobold 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 396 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:54242 14:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:38 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:41 poor dwarves 14:41 I note that Semilg is a dwarf 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 620 points, T:2724, killed by a gnome lord 14:42 hm, shouldn't he/she be dead then? Unless polymorphed I guess (or does fh do something different with this)? 14:42 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 14:42 there's the answer 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:54648 14:50 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1714 14:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:54 ais523: any idea why the "globby" field is in struct obj rather than struct objclass or just a macro on otyps? 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:20779 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:20780 14:54 no 14:55 from what I can see globby is always set to 1 when a glob is created, and is never set to anything else 14:56 maybe paxed is the right person to ask 15:00 <@Tone> ais523, aosdict: Forcing the player to go through the water on the water plane would be awful. You would need oilskin for any scrolls or potions to survive, and the currents are awful to deal with, even if you are poly'd into a swimmer. 15:00 <@Tone> It would probably be better just to add more bubbles and/or make them bigger to reduce the RNG variance involved in finding the exit. 15:01 I guess the issue with Water is that all the potential fixes are boring 15:01 it's boring waiting for bubbles, boring levitating to the exit, etc. 15:01 when I tried to work out plans for static-bubble Water, I outright gave the player an oilskin sack and "oMB 15:02 whiich solves part of the problem, but maybe that's boring in a different way 15:02 <@luxidream> turbulence makes it hard to get anywhere 15:02 <@Tone> ^ 15:02 <@luxidream> even with magical breathing 15:03 I guess you could remove it? the main purpose for making the player enter the water would be so that the monsters actually did something 15:03 and underwater combat is pretty different from land combat 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:54830 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:54830 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:54831 15:08 <@Tone> ais523: I don't think people would even fight if they could enter the water anyways 15:08 <@Tone> You'd just go to the portal, especially since it moves 15:08 well, being fought 15:09 <@luxidream> how is combat different in the water 15:09 <@luxidream> A player with magical breathing can’t be drowned anyway 15:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:16 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:16 Spitballing here: what if the level were a mkmap-generated level with the filler being WATER instead of STONE 15:16 (WATER can't be levitated over) 15:17 then add some random pools and rivers of levitatable water, lots of rust traps 15:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7208 15:20 if you want the level to continue to be mutable, run a slow-moving cellular automaton on it that shifts the water around slowly (more slowly than current bubbles, and only a few squares here and there) and opens up new air spaces 15:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:3418 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:13999 15:32 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 15:37 <@Tone> aosdict: Mayne we keep the bubbles but add dry connectors between some of them that keep the bubbles connected as they move 15:38 sounds hard and bug prone 15:38 what I personally don't like about the moving bubbles is your character moving unexpectedly even when in the bubble 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had a war hammer named Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:4633 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4715 15:42 !tell bug_sniper heh, the weight limit is one of the (several) reasons why I stopped playing nonslex variants altogether! 15:42 LarienTelrunya: Message from bug_sniper at 2019-09-18 01:41 EDT: thanks for mentioning the weight limit. People once told me in #slashem that I should use a stash and then I stopped playing slashem. You're good though. 15:42 bug_sniper shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, LarienTelrunya. 15:54 !tell ais523 have you seen fh's and dnethack's Water? 15:54 No worries, FIQ, I've got this! 15:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:54 !tell ais523 bubbles are always visible, water elementals are more dangerous -- I also wanted to implement a breath mechanic but never did, dnethack does have this 15:54 No worries, FIQ, I've got this! 15:55 YANI: new container trap: the container teleports itself randomly if triggered 15:55 !tell ais523 and levitation+flying are disabled (in fh this is displayed as "-Lev" and "-Fly" when the player has the trinsics, to make it clear) 15:55 I'm on it, FIQ. 15:56 <{Demo}> dnh has 3d water 15:56 <{Demo}> so flight and lev still work 15:56 <{Demo}> so like if you get hit with a monster geyser spell and are flying you get the effect you would 15:57 for a moment I thought you meant it had layers 15:57 <{Demo}> the water is just 3d so it doesn't matter that you are flying, you are still underwater 15:57 and it led me to pondering the logistics of implementing it 15:58 which kinda made me willing to do it, but while it'd be fun to implement I don't know if it'd be fun to play 15:58 FIQ: I took a crack at making the bubbles visible in 3.6.1 but it was pretty buggy and I don't know the vision code well enough to know what was going wrong 15:59 ah 15:59 NH4 rewrote it I think 15:59 not really sure, but it wasn't too hard for me I think 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:17129 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 anyway, if I were to do layers, I'd probably display it with color and symbol shenanigans 16:00 <{Demo}> dnhs solution was to break the living shit out of everything and then slowly fix it over time 16:00 it'd be a fun exercise, but I don't think it'd really improve gameplay 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:17204 16:02 whether or not NH4 rewrote it, 361 did its own rewrite I think 16:02 I see 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 518 points, T:1085, killed by a large mimic 16:10 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16 -!- LarienTelrunya1 has joined #hardfought 16:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya1] by ChanServ 16:16 <@mtf> k2: no I don't believe so, though I can check the config again... I thought I set it up to use the new cron forever now 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:6186 16:18 @mtf ok just wondering, saw it reconnect at noon as usual and then at 1pm 16:19 <@mtf> hmmm 16:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:19 -!- LarienTelrunya1 is now known as LarienTelrunya 16:20 <@mtf> still using this cron 0 */4 * * *, but I see it restarted 20m ago 16:21 <@mtf> very strange 16:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 8825 points, T:8337, killed by an energy vortex 16:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:22036 16:37 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Dwa Mal Neu), 3195 points, T:6175, poisoned by an orcish arrow 16:37 well that was sudden :( 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 284 points, T:772, killed by a gas spore's explosion 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:22111 16:45 -!- Semilg has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:22112 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:58979 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58980 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:22123 16:50 <@Tone> hothraxxa: Was that poison instadeath? 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:22256 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:22258 17:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:23356 17:31 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8698 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 7 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:22909 17:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:23064 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 8 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:23121 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "+3 blessed greased fixed gray dragon scale mail", on T:18963 18:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Cerberus, on T:10484 18:09 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 18:20 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 18:20 13x4 potion shop - tempted to murder shopkeeper (as chaotic ranger) 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] Remoh (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 310 points, T:844, killed by a fox 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 209889 points, T:18996, drowned in a pool of water by a giant eel 18:22 is alignment penalty significant, or easily recovered for Xp:11? 18:23 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 18:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 18:23 :( 18:23 tone: sorry was afk. yes, it was poison instadeath 18:24 AntiGulp, at Castle, Medusa, or Juiblex? 18:24 eraserhead97: Medusa. I was on the way back up to get my stash, and I didn’t see the eel because it was the same color as the water. I should have Elbereth’d, but I was going for an Elbereth-less ascension. 18:25 eraserhead97: there's almost no real alignment penalty in 363 18:25 hothraxxa excellent - ty ^^ 18:26 you have to kill a lot of peacefuls or something. one shopkeeper is not a problem except for murder issues 18:26 as a choatic, not even that 18:26 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:26 NetHack is the ultimate murder hobo game 18:27 AntiGulp - that sucks - I've never ascended E-less before... 18:27 <@Tone> eraserhead97: Not only is it easily recovered, but you won't even notice it 18:27 I usually only use E once or twice a game at most. It feels weird to me 18:28 rld v.nice - 363 letting chaotic be really evil ^^ 18:28 <@Tone> hothraxxa: Ah, I'm surprised K2 hasn't fixed that 18:28 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 727 points, T:2242, killed by an elder pseudodragon 18:28 instadeath? 18:28 <@Tone> Poison instadeath, yeah 18:29 AntiGulp I guess it depends on role - Priest E-less may be doable - as a Wiz, might be tough 18:29 i would like it if he did but i don't mind living^h^h^h^h^h^hdying with it 18:30 eraserhead97: i am not certain but i think all of my ascensions have been owlbreath-free 18:30 can't be sure because it's not tracked in all variants 18:31 oh wait, no. i have done it to break all conducts during junethack 18:31 hehe, Vals, the potion shopkeeper is no match for a stack of +7 elven arrows released by a chaotic elven ranger ^^ 18:31 vals? you killed VALS? you bratsad! 18:32 gotta luv it - no arrows broken/lost, either - rofl 18:32 i remember boozing it up at the demi-god bar with vals 18:32 what a wimp! 18:32 rofl 18:32 look, he was just different, ok? nothing wrong with that 18:33 13x4 potion store was too much to resist - had he opened a smaller shop, I would've left him alone ^^ 18:34 and I was too lazy to steel with pet 18:34 steal 18:34 well i hope you're burdened now 18:34 that reminds me 18:35 chaotic's quite fun to play - maybe not with BoH - let's see 18:35 tone: did you notice that i ascended evilhack burdened? 18:36 yup - burdened, but no biggie - 12 lvl hike back up to stash 18:36 burdened isn't that bad if you have BoS, right? 18:36 <@Tone> hothraxxa: How long were you burdened for? 18:36 most of astral 18:37 and up until i entered the planes 18:37 <@Tone> Complains about being slowed on astral, then ascends burdened :P 18:37 heh. was proving a point to myself 18:39 hothraxxa i did the scroll of earth thing but there was a kirin there immediate and sumonned all sorts of stuff and then vlad started draining me and i branch ported out. Should I have just melee'd him at that point? 18:39 i don't like this lifestealer at all lol 18:39 probably not 18:40 what's the best way to kill as a monk in your opinion 18:40 I've been noticing lately that almost all my YASD's are off roles like dwarven-Valk and rarely from something like Tourist 18:40 eraserhead97: becaues you play more carefully ? 18:40 as a monk i almost always stick with martial arts 18:41 yeah well, that's what i meant. That's what I was doing 18:41 in evilhack, they're pretty powerful 18:41 i love martial arts in EH 18:41 rebatela right - I'm too sloppy with dwarven-Valk (too easy) 18:41 <@Tone> So does Vlad get two leveldrain attacks per action, one with Lifestealer and one from his bite? 18:41 <@Tone> And then multiple actions per turn on top of that due to his speed 18:41 i tried taming the kirin at first 18:41 that might have helped me 18:41 but i know they're hard to tame 18:42 good question tone. i think i've been double-drained but i'm not sure 18:42 i had -61 AC, MC3, free action 18:42 so just slap him to death and get back the lvls after? 18:43 yeah but that's risky 18:43 haha i know that's why i left 18:43 that's what i did in grunt 18:43 <@Tone> Is he buffed beyond 362? It sounds like you should be able to kick his ass 18:43 he is indeed 18:43 i mean, i was lvl 30 18:43 more hp, had lifestealer 18:43 <@Tone> Does lifestealer bypass MC? 18:44 oh hell, i would have stayed and slapped him around then 18:44 level loss is vastly overfeared if you are past about 156 18:44 15 18:44 tone: i kinda feel like i overreacted/played it too safe 18:44 imo anyway 18:45 <@Tone> nah you can just go back, can't really be too conservative in that siutation 18:45 well you have to go back don't you? 18:45 <@Tone> You'll be back where you started when you go back up though 18:45 yeah, baby - Vals had a unholy water in his shop. ^^ 18:45 <@Tone> and the stairs will also be blocked so you'll have to port out if something bad hapens 18:45 the boulder will still be there 18:45 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 18:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:24197 18:45 how is that going to work with the boulder? 18:46 was wonderinG that too 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:24198 18:46 can i go up the stairs? 18:46 <@Tone> You'll just end up on a different tile when you go upstairs 18:46 you can go up 18:47 <@Tone> Actually you might end up on top of the boulder 18:48 playing around with Stormbringer's gotten me interested in reading some Moorcock. Anyone read any of the Elric novels? 18:48 i have and i did not like them 18:49 not your style or what was wrong with them? 18:49 for some reason moorcock never appealed to me 18:50 ic - I watched an interview with Moorcock on YT last night - he's actually quite an interesting dude - great speaker and an impressive memory (for a senior) 18:51 he can remember what year he's done things in the 50's, 60's - I can't even recall which year I did something in the last 5 8^P 18:52 ok. so you do wind up on top of the boulder, and vlad does get double drains in 18:53 it's been a long time since i tried reading him. i might feel differently now 18:53 ok.. well, on top of the boulder at least means I'm blocking the stairs/escape which was the whole plan 18:53 also, he missed a lot 18:54 * hothraxxa has a local install of evilhack for wizmode testing 18:54 nice :) 18:54 is it hard to compile (running mint) ? 18:54 well, that teaches me NOT to save identify scrolls - this last read gave me cursed speed boots and geno scroll 18:54 i've never built nh 18:55 it's not hard. k2 will step you through the install if you ask nicely 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] woodstea23 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:33060 18:55 it's easy on a Linux box 18:55 sweet 18:55 or a Linux VM on any box 18:55 i have ubuntu running in wls or whatever that windows thing is called 18:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] woodstea23 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:33061 18:56 in fact i'm using it to run irssi to connect here 18:56 no windows on this crappy laptop 18:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] woodstea23 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:33065 18:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] woodstea23 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 helm of brilliance", on T:33066 18:57 it's amazing how smooth linux runs though. corei3 w/6g ram. was like $200 a few years ago. I bet windows would be slugish 18:57 windows tends to be bloated 19:04 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Dwa Mal Neu), 126 points, T:157, killed by an elven dagger 19:08 hmm... ...no source of confusion - not so good 19:10 oh, cursed unihorn will work? I had a spare around somewhere - can't find now - gotta check other stashes 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:21547 19:12 be careful with the cursed unihorn 19:12 can make you sick though.. just make sure you can cure yourself quick 19:12 lol 19:16 ya - not gonna try it without a blessed one in open inventory, hehe 19:16 just killed another shopkeeper for l00t - wonder what happens when you rez one - is there still aggro? 19:20 ah - cursed unihorn in Minetown stash - I knew I had one somewhere 19:22 Inuvik senses your presence. "Invisible customers are not welcome!" 19:22 wut? You will do for your insolence. 19:22 die 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:24422 19:23 2 rounds of blessed +7 elven arrows and Inuvik is down 19:24 @Tone [backscroll] I was testing an xnh fix of giving lawfuls a -1 alignment penalty for using Grimtooth (because it's permapoisoned). "Why is my alignment not going down? I'm getting the coward message!" "Oh, I immediately gain +1 alignment by killing the monster." 19:25 <@Tone> haha 19:25 <@Tone> Alignment record is mostly meaningless in nethack 19:25 <@Tone> Although it matters a lot when it matters 19:26 <@Tone> I've only ever had alignment issues come up during speed runs or other conduct stuff 19:27 Zonguldak senses your presence. "Invisible customers are not welcome!" 19:27 You, too? Bye-bye! 19:28 Zonguldak goes down in Round One. 19:29 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Dwa Mal Neu), 576 points, T:1775, killed by a rothe, while unconscious from rotten food 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:24479 19:29 now there's a mechanic i really really hate 19:31 i had an alignment issue in one game where there was a gremlin outbreak at medusa's. i was chaotic and i zapped a wand of light 19:31 before it was all done i was way negative in alignment, and it's a tough recovery for chaotics 19:32 it kept me out of the quest for a long time 19:33 @Tone hothraxxa instadeath from poison isnt broken 19:33 (evilhack) 19:33 where did i say it was broken? 19:33 <@Tone> hothraxxa: Ah, I'm surprised K2 hasn't fixed that 19:34 ^ implies its broken 19:34 its not ;) 19:34 i think tone didn't mean it was broken, he meant that you'd fixed it better 19:34 talking about gremlins, I had a sloppy YASD as a lawful-melee down in Gehennom - lost an intrinsic and didn't pay attention to which one. When I climbed up to VotD, fell in a pit and died of poison 19:34 i did actually 19:34 tell that to my dead priest 19:34 if you can get to 35% poison res, its not an instakill anymore 19:35 K2 is that vanilla or a specific variant? 19:35 right. well, mines 1 and an orc with a poisoned arrow. game over 19:35 evilhack 19:35 ic 19:35 vanilla doesn't have partial resistances 19:35 that's what I thought 19:37 <@Tone> K2: It's technically not broken but it isn't a great mechanic imo, unless you like randomly having to start over 19:37 <@Tone> It sounds like you balanced it with partial resists though 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:24547 19:37 the rotten food thing is really awful. my first astral splat happened when i ate a "rotten" royal jelly, and pesty and famine double-teamed me while i was helpless 19:38 you all just hate the one shot poison kills. i get it, i've died to it too several times 19:38 i like the partial resistances.. took a while to get 100% disintigration, but not too too bad. Just a little scary until ya do 19:38 if i were to take that out, we might as well just call evilhack 'hack' 19:38 doesn't vanilla still have poison instadeath? 19:38 <@Tone> hothraxxa: At least there are a few food items that can't be rotten -- I like to save Lembas Wafers for that situation 19:39 most assuredly 19:39 rebatela yes 19:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hea Swn Fem Neu), 95288 points, T:13747, killed by an energy vortex 19:39 ah, but i once had a rotten lembas wafer 19:39 <@Tone> Cursed? 19:39 <@riker> thank god, I didn't realize how much yuki sucked 19:39 i think xnethack and maybe splicehack got rid of poison instadeath 19:39 no. i protested loudly at the time 19:39 <@riker> dnh has as well 19:40 somebody (fourk?) eliminated rotten food 19:40 <@Tone> I didn't think that was possible. I checked the code and wiztested it recently 19:40 tone neither did i 19:40 <@Tone> My code interpreting skills are rather weak though 19:41 i should try to find the log for it. it was a real shock at the time because i was sure it couldn't happen 19:41 it seems like the royal jelly's are rotten quite often 19:41 <@Tone> yeah I'll take a look at the ttyrec if you can find the game, I'm curious about that 19:41 i have like 100 lembas wafers 19:42 ah. it was unnethack, not vanilla 19:42 not wasting a ring slot with slow digestion 19:42 <@Tone> ah, maybe the code is different there 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1566316 points, T:24576, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Judas/nethack/dumplog/1568868281.nh.html 19:43 congrats judas priest 19:43 now why was i playing unnethack in january? 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] woodstea23 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:34284 19:45 rofl - nice name - judas priest 19:46 ah. to get the first gnome healer 19:46 nope. that was spontiff 19:47 <@Tone> hmm Pinball Wizard, Judas Priest 19:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Pri Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:982 19:47 <@Tone> Someone must be bored 😄 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:00 Hey, if they can ascend them... 20:01 hothraxxa: Are you against rotten food entirely, or just the paralysis effect? 20:04 i hate the whole thing 20:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26691 20:10 <@Tone> rotten blessed tins are the worst 20:11 <@Tone> I don't even use my tinning kits anymore if I want the intrinsics 20:11 you can get rottten blessed tins from a tinning kit? i did not know that 20:11 <@Tone> Yep. It might only happen for homemade tins? 20:12 i think i've found maybe three blessed tins ever 20:12 oddly there was one in my last game 20:13 my evilhack game today threw me a cursed tin of spinach. yay. 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had a war hammer named Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:13043 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:49162 20:26 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:72948 20:26 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:72951 20:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Pri Dro Mal Neu) was given the Cloak of the Unheld One, on T:5298 20:26 <@riker> aw hell yea 20:31 that wasn't bad at all.. bounced magic missile (at lvl 30) couple times so got the double hit each time, then moved the boulder. he drained me, i one shotted him and got the lvl right back 20:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] woodstea23 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:35736 20:32 it's probably better that I left the first time because level was entirely full of monsters but now i was on the stairs 20:33 i was in the middle of lvl before surrounded 20:35 he had been healing himself though and casting other spells 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49706 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49707 20:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Pri Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of a parasitized android", on T:6785 20:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Dwa Mal Neu), 807 points, T:1993, killed by a rabid dog 20:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (Ana And Mal Neu), 90976 points, T:11875, killed by an air elemental 20:47 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:965 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of polymorph control", on T:378853 21:06 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:50576 21:18 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7421 21:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Pri Dro Mal Neu) killed the Shelob, on T:12246 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Val Hum Fem Neu), 265101 points, T:26982, killed by brainlessness 21:56 <{Demo}> damn if that kills you i have no idea how im alive 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 71417 points, T:11578, drowned in a pool of water by an electric eel 21:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Pri Dro Mal Neu) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:12802 22:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Dro Mal Neu), 239923 points, T:13106, killed by a Mordor orc elite 22:00 <@riker> :/ should've been more careful around multiattacking iron 22:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 740 points, T:935, killed by a giant mimic 22:13 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:27 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 22:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 22:27 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:10923 22:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:32 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:17603 22:40 [hdf-us] [nh343] allanb (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2122 points, T:958, killed by a magic missile 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1848 points, T:3059, killed by a crossbow bolt 22:51 why is it always the DEBUG games where RNG throws a magic marker at me in the first room 22:59 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:23237 23:02 <{Demo}> !tell k2 an interesting crash happened in malor's dnh game. recovered fine apparently but I'm curious about the backtrace 23:02 Will do, {Demo}! 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:1354 23:03 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 23:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1025 points, T:1410, killed by a Woodland-elf, while praying 23:05 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06 {Demo} did auto recover work? 23:06 K2: Message from {Demo} at 2019-09-19 23:02 EDT: an interesting crash happened in malor's dnh game. recovered fine apparently but I'm curious about the backtrace 23:06 dnh: the only 3.x variant that needed to build in autorecover :) 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a jellyfish, on T:3599 23:06 <{Demo}> "recovered fine apparently" 23:08 ah 23:08 no coredumps for today 23:09 last one is sept 18th mid-morning dnh 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (pancake) for the first time, on T:3788 23:09 only one 23:09 <{Demo}> oh 23:10 <{Demo}> aosdict, tell that to splice 23:10 splice added autorecover? 23:10 <{Demo}> no 23:10 <{Demo}> but it needs it BAD 23:11 <{Demo}> (dnh doesn't need it BAD cause it already has it) 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7909 points, T:3934, killed by a panther 23:11 <{Demo}> but when you add a lot of stuff you add a lot of crashes 23:11 <{Demo}> and I'm pretty sure adding stuff for the sake of adding stuff is kitchen sinky and the goal of spl 23:12 <{Demo}> so cause actual changes are being made more crashes are introduced and then I call it crashack and then we realize that's all of them 23:14 <{Demo}> wait what's the Sept 18th bt cause it could be related 23:14 <{Demo}> pretty sure the last known crash bug for this build is fixed in this build idk 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:23880 23:19 lemme check 23:21 {Demo} Chris_ANG @riker - https://termbin.com/2c30 23:23 <@riker> line still exists looks like and all that 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:56482 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:56486 23:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:56708 23:35 <@riker> hm, anybody know what otmp->nobj does 23:37 the next object in the linked list that is that object chain 23:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:56959 23:39 <@riker> ok that's what I figured ('next obj') thanks 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:56965 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "+3 blessed greased fixed gauntlets of power", on T:24336 23:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:43 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:59 well, that could've been ugly - consorted with a succubus @ Medusa's Lair, otw back up - before I could get UNnaked, a random hoard popped around me as I was frozen by a quivering mob and mauled by zombies + friends - instantly down from 90hp to 27hp - nearly another YASD