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I didn't see a cockatrice. oh 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2487 points, T:3318, killed by a wand 00:12 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 00:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 00:17 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 00:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v bhaak] by ChanServ 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 8974 points, T:5235, killed by a leocrotta 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:20412 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:29341 00:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) was given the Gauntlets of Spell Power, on T:24371 00:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:25659 01:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:27488 01:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) wished for "blessed figurine of a clairvoyant changed", on T:27926 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] fionna (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1268 points, T:2683, killed by a wand 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] fionna (Kni Hum Fem Law), 80 points, T:460, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Cake 01:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:52 <@riker> @d?pharoah 01:52 pharoah ~2~ pharaoh (M) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: cold | MR: 99 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -4 | Attacks: 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: 20 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, undead, covetous 01:58 You see here an orcish dagger named Grimtooth. 01:58 Well that's exciting! 02:05 \o/ 02:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:23 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 02:44 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:36086 03:00 !who 03:00 K2: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] fcloud [nh363] pinball [nh363] AntiVirus [nh363] eraserhead97 [nh363] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Tangles [nh363] 03:01 hehe 03:01 AntiVirus: Message from hothraxxa at 2019-09-16 09:39 EDT: get a horn or a bugle or even a drum and use it on the planes to keep the monsters away 03:01 just ascended 03:01 \o/ 03:01 congrats AntiVirus!! 03:01 nice, yeah next game hothraxxa 03:01 1st one ever right? 03:01 it took forever 03:01 yeah first EVER 03:01 I'm super happy 03:01 hah! hell yeah 03:02 you dont get to be witness to a 1st ever asc every day 03:02 haha nice 03:02 you watched? 03:02 i was earlier 03:02 cool 03:02 just wrapping up fixing that bug rebatela found in evilhack 03:03 16 wishes lol 03:03 yeah this guy was born lucky 03:03 daaamn 03:03 EvilHack updated (all servers) 03:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2418786 points, T:36138, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AntiVirus/nethack/dumplog/1568149829.nh.html 03:04 wewt 03:04 haha tiiight I get my own log page 03:04 thats sweet 03:04 save the html file, print it and frame it, hang it up on your wall 03:04 right? 03:04 Congrats 03:05 thanks, I think I will save it up in google drive 03:05 the evilhack update fixes a nasty crash bug in regards to passive damage from Dragonbane or dragon scales/dsm 03:06 AntiVirus good job! 03:06 ty ty 03:06 and as a wiz 03:06 kinda fun to do it the first time on a public server 03:06 yeah 03:06 and that 03:06 !tell rebatela fixed the crash bug you found in evilhack 03:06 Will do, K2! 03:06 the game before this I had a totally solid Valkyrie that I YASD'ed with genocide 03:07 :) 03:07 only legit ascensions are on a public server 03:07 anyway, K2 night I'll be back later 03:07 locally doesnt count. too easy to save scum 03:07 no kidding 03:07 ok cya 03:07 bedtime for me too 03:07 didnt realize its 3am 03:07 oof, that's right. east coaster 03:08 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 03:08 midnight here 03:08 i better go now if i wanna get 3 hrs in 03:08 gnite all 03:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- AntiVirus has left #hardfought 03:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:37238 03:22 rebatela: I didn't advocate for having no stash while playing but wanting to design the game such that you wouldn't need a stash. which is quite likely impossible now without access to a time machine. 03:27 -!- kimeemaru2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:29 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Changing host] 03:29 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:38 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:39 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Ptah, on T:43834 03:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:04 Well technically, he did that to himself. 04:04 Croesus zaps a wand of death! The death ray hits you! But it reflects from your medallion! Croesus is killed by the death ray! 04:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 108 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:45138 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed amulet of reflection", on T:39304 04:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "+3 blessed greased fixed boots of speed", on T:39311 04:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 55 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46298 04:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:39320 04:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:46591 04:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:39382 04:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:39426 05:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:48385 05:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48389 05:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:48503 05:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:27 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:30 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3508 06:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3518 points, T:3962, killed by a fire ant 06:53 What do you want to eat? [enuF or ?*] 06:53 ... well, yes? 06:54 it's even possible to eat enouGH (not from my inventory though) 07:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:10 Or enough to choK 07:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:26123 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:03 morning 08:06 Hey 08:06 Hello Andrio, Welcome to #hardfought 08:12 o/ 08:12 Hey. 08:12 Hello Andrio, Welcome to #hardfought 08:12 heh 08:14 Heh. 08:14 You all right? 08:14 sleepy 08:14 i slept through my alarm this morning, thank god my kid wakes up on her own on time 08:15 Ah..~ yeah. 08:15 still got her to the bus on time 08:16 i know better than to stay up as late as I did last night. if i dont get x number of hours of sleep, my body goes 'oh hi alarm. let me turn you off and we'll let K2's brain sleep' 08:17 mm.. 08:17 yeah :) I have zero recollection of either alarm going off this morning (I set 2) 08:18 K2: running on 5 hours of sleep? :D 08:18 3 08:18 :P 08:18 that sounds nice ... if you were, like, 20 and out boozing 08:19 (it's not) 08:19 yup 08:19 how did that popular tumblr post go 08:19 "as a kid I thought being an adult meant not having a bedtime, but now I learned being a adult means enforcing your own bedtime and it turns out I am not prepared for that responsibility" 08:19 i tend to do that if i start reading a good book in the evening 08:19 hey attie! 08:20 hi o/ 08:20 yeah tonight, going to bed early 08:21 A good spellbook of finger of death. 08:21 dull spellbook 08:21 that should help. 08:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:23 I keep waking up before my alarm even rings, but I still can't manage to go to sleep on time 08:24 even with the "dull spellbook" approach, i.e. reading bad harry potter fanfic at night... 08:25 sounds redundant 08:26 I'm sorry, are you trying to cast shade on HP fanfic? 08:26 no. it does that quite competently on its own :) 08:26 * attie glares at alex_ 08:29 i mean since, fanfic is hardly the epitome of creativity, also not usually practiced by experienced writers, and harry potter being quite derivative to begin with... 08:30 last year for my daughters 7th birthday party, we had a painting party, all the kids painted their patronus 08:31 the artist hosting the party had pre-made cut outs of things like wolves, deer, etc 08:31 i made my own 08:31 my patronus was Bob Ross 08:31 supposedly appropriate seeing they're the target audience 08:31 Nice 08:31 you shouldn't confuse your inability to search for a whole genre 08:31 i liked the harry potter films (havent read the books) 08:32 there is fanfiction that is miles better than the original books 08:32 i read the books when i was like 7 years old 08:32 and my kid loves listening to the audio books on long trips 08:32 at least the ones that were out by then 08:32 Harry Potter fanfic is, on the whole, probably better than Twilight fanfic. 08:33 lol 08:33 TWILIGHT 08:33 Though, there's probably such a thing as Harry Potter / Twilight crossover fanfic. 08:33 sounds like the next nethack variant 08:33 * K2 makes all vampires in nethack to be like twilight vampires 08:33 I'm fairly sure that if you take the average of anything that large it always ends up at the same place 08:33 those vampires would have intrinsic aggravate monster 08:33 only very small collections of works can be significantly off from the average 08:34 why is harry potter being knocked again? 08:34 help my sleep deprived brain 08:34 because alex_ doesn't like it 08:35 apparently 08:35 hmm 08:35 no one else said anything against it at least 08:35 * jonadab cannot directly comment on the quality of Harry Potter itself, not having read it yet. 08:35 But fanfic is a well-known quanitity. 08:35 *quantity 08:36 well it cant be that bad... J. K. Rowling would be laughing at you from inside her castle made entirely of 100 dollar bills 08:36 (she has enough to make that happen) 08:36 Non sequitur. Popularity and quality are orthogonal. 08:36 however 08:37 jonadab: nah. they have a correllation coefficient less than 1, but it is also not 0 08:38 attie: I don't think they correlate at all, honestly. 08:38 not to mention there is no agreed on way to even judge 'quality' 08:38 attie its simple 08:38 Which isn't to say high-quality things can't be popular. They have as good a chance as any other thing. 08:38 if K2 likes it, its good 08:38 all you need to know ;) 08:39 i never said i didnt like hp 08:39 It depends. For some things, quality is fairly objective. For others, it's really really not. 08:39 i quite liked it back when i read it 08:39 blaspheme! 08:39 but it is admittedly very derivative 08:39 SHAME 08:39 * K2 starts ringing a bell 08:39 and i havent been interested in it since i was like 9 08:39 derivative of what 08:40 twilight 08:40 The entire fantasy fiction genre is derivative of Tolkein :-) 08:40 ^ that 08:40 which is derivative of nordic mythology 08:40 and all of science fiction is derivative of, uh, mary shelley? 08:41 HP itself doesn't seem to derive all that much from tolkien that I can think of 08:41 i dont remember space ships in frankenstein 08:41 * K2 travels back in time and drops off all the harry potter books on J. R. R. Tolkein's desk before he started writing 08:41 however jules verne science fiction is great 08:41 don't remember any orcs in harry potter either, and the elves were very different too 08:41 alex_: Frankenstein was influential on early sci-fi. Modern sci-fi only inherits from it rather indirectly. 08:41 goblins though 08:42 orc == goblin 08:42 there we go 08:42 orcs in hp 08:42 let's not start that 35-page tolkien forum flamewar again... 08:42 goblin was the human language version of 'orc' 08:42 since we all know tolkien will always win 08:42 Right, "orc" was the word for them in, what, Sindarin, wasn't it? 08:43 i think so 08:43 One of the invented languages, anyway. 08:43 I mean, the Black Speech version is Uruk. 08:44 finkle is einhorn... einhorn is finkle! 08:44 i recall hp having what is basically ringwraiths 08:45 i read that as having ringworm 08:45 tolkien hardly invented "cloaked black figure that makes you feel dread" 08:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:45 poor harry 08:46 i dont remember what the hp version was called 08:46 Jules Verne's fiction is pretty readable, even for modern standards (of course, translation variations apply) 08:47 Hmm, looks like "orc" is close to the Quenya than to the Sindarin. But the words in both languages are related. 08:47 bhaak: ive heard some translators took a lot of liberty 08:47 bhaak: Frankenstein is very readable too, but it doesn't feel anything like modern sci-fi at all. 08:47 alex_: dementors 08:47 I enjoyed reading Robert Heinlein 08:47 even though he was bat shit crazy 08:48 Verne feels more like sci-fi, as it explores concepts like exploration. 08:48 i dont have time to read much nowadays 08:48 I remember how the Gun Club was discussing if the big cannon was american enough or how I was LOLing when Switzerland didn't donate much because the Swiss didn't see putting something on the moon as a practical matter :) 08:48 K2: you read The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress? 08:48 oh man... maybe? 08:48 if i did it would have a loooong time ago 08:48 The connection from Frankenstein to sci-fi is less obvious and goes through themes like the marginalized person and the meaning of sentience. 08:49 did anyone here read vernes works in french? 08:49 non 08:49 There are no worlds to discover in Shelley. 08:50 they go to the north pole does that count 08:50 my fav heinlein stories were 'stranger in a strange land' and 'starship troopers' (dont just the latter by the movie, the movie sucks) 08:50 *judge 08:50 the movie is great, just dont look at it with the mindset that it has anything to do with the book 08:50 hmm no.. the movie was crap 08:50 alex_: Eh, except for the barely-memorable framework character (the boat captain), they're not going there to explore, but to escape society. 08:51 i watched that as a 7 year old too 08:51 K2: I agree with 'stranger in a strange land' but I have a switched opinions on the medias. the book is boring, the movie is great 08:51 but it kept my interest unlike hp 08:51 * K2 starts ringing the bell and yelling 'shame' at bhaak 08:51 I found heinlein extremely boring 08:52 K2: At least he didn't say that about Starship Troopers. 08:52 * K2 starts going hoarse 08:52 but that's a general problem with not being interested in how men describe boobs basically 08:52 K2: It must be because you are American. You don't get Verhoeven's genius. ;-} 08:52 * K2 shrugs 08:52 kills a lot of 'classics' 08:52 'murica 08:53 how men describe boobs? which heinlein book was that 08:53 as an infantry soldier myself, a lot of what heinlein wrote in 'starship troopers' made a kind of sense 08:54 but in a true free society those ideas would never flourish 08:54 K2: did it make you the man you are today 08:54 which part 08:54 being in frontline infantry 08:54 I don't know if I've ever given Heinlein a really fair shake. I do know that A. C. Clark is completely unreadable for me, but some of Asimov's work, particularly the Foundation series, holds up reasonably well. 08:55 i'm definitely not the same person i am now than i was before serving 08:55 attie: I remember reading a German book from the 30s/40s, nowadays it would probably fall under 'SF action thriller', and the women weren't written badly, up until the end when they get married and have to stop working :-| but that was reality back then 08:55 jonadab: i LOVE asimov 08:55 grew up reading asimov 08:55 I, Robot was one of my first books by him. was hooked 08:56 so ahead of his time 08:56 Oh, wait, Sixth Column is by Heinlein. Yeah, not going to give him another chance after that. 08:56 * K2 likes arthur c. clark too 08:57 notable with a non descriptive woman as one of the bigger characters 08:57 he and stephen baxter did some cool collaborative stories before clark passed 08:57 but I wouldn't hold this against him, his characters were often non descriptive regardless of gender :-) 08:58 The characters in Sixth Column aren't well-developed enough to be called stereotypes. 08:58 They're more like props. 08:58 They have less personality than cardboard. 08:59 I don't know how he passed high school English, writing like that, honestly. 08:59 Worse than Steinbeck. And that's going some. 09:00 I never had to write fiction in German that was graded. 09:00 Although his plot does have more ideas in it than "life is boring and terrible", so I guess his writing isn't _categorically_ worse than Steinbeck. Just worse in the character writing department. 09:01 bhaak: You can't graduate high school in North America without writing both fiction and non-fiction assignments in English. 09:01 Granted, you write more non-fiction than fiction, usually. 09:01 interesting 09:02 You have to do at least one comparison/contrast paper and at least one persuasive essay every year without fail, starting in about sixth grade. 09:02 but that's not fiction. 09:02 jonadab: don't make these sound like they're hard rules cause they're not 09:02 No, that's non-fiction. 09:02 okay 09:02 Also the book reviews are non-fiction, and you get assigned those in classes other than English. 09:02 has anyone here ever read any of the nethack-based books that are available? 09:03 <{Demo}> no 09:03 aosdict: They're not rules in the sense of being legislated. But they're consistent. 09:03 <{Demo}> if I wanted to read nethack fanfics I'd play slex 09:03 Patterns. 09:03 {Demo}: Isn't that more like a NetHack / Fifty Shades crossover fan fiction? 09:03 <{Demo}> close enough 09:03 Fifty Shades of Grayswandir 09:04 fifty shades is itself a twilight fanfic that went viral 09:04 or originated as such 09:04 or 09:04 !rn2(50) shades of grayswandir 09:04 K2: there aren't many, are there? I remember an incomplete fanfic where people somehow got dragged into the game (mind you, that's also the start of the roguelike Omega). ended when things started to get interesting 09:04 i know of 2 09:05 <{Demo}> a nethack book but it's illegible because it's just each row of the screen written out into paragraphs 09:06 the crawl devs were doing a coffee table book with ascii screenshots from the game. but I don't think it ever got printed 09:07 <{Demo}> a ttyrec printing service 09:07 <{Demo}> get your favorite run immortalized as a book 09:08 the problem with printing terminal roguelikes screens is that they are hardly recognizable with a light background 09:08 HTML dumplogs 09:08 <{Demo}> ah yeah gotta print it onto black paper then 09:08 high gloss paper might do it 09:08 \o/ 09:09 <{Demo}> I'm not the biggest fan of those html dumplogs cause they shit themselves on mobile where as with plain text ones I can turn my phone sideways and view the map 09:10 we're aware of the mobile issues 09:10 feel free to provide a fix 09:10 <{Demo}> lol 09:11 :) 09:11 <{Demo}> don't tempt me 09:11 DO IT 09:11 <{Demo}> I have some really stupid ideas 09:11 its easy to test 09:11 download any html dumplog, crack open with a text editor and change whatever 09:11 bhaak: I think printing them with a light background would likely be a mistake. 09:12 Plenty of books have images with dark backgrounds in them. 09:12 Especially coffee table books. I mean, NASA images, hello. 09:12 The printing technology exists for that. 09:13 <{Demo}> nethack VR 09:13 yes, but I don't know how affordable that is for self plublishing 09:13 <{Demo}> it's just a reallllllly goofy viewport 09:14 {Demo}: one of the patches I never made was outputting 3D rendable scenes from actual games 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:35074 09:15 <{Demo}> oh god 09:15 <{Demo}> little cutscenes for cool partd 09:17 https://web.archive.org/web/20080316073611/http://www.adom.de/adom/gallery.php3 09:23 K2: oh hey you liked the I robot book? 09:24 K2: what did you think of the movie ;9 09:24 meh 09:24 it was alright 09:25 i never read the books but from what ive heard the only thing they have in common with the movie is 3 laws and the name 09:25 ^ that 09:25 I, Robot is actually a series of connected short stories 09:26 and as far as im aware, usually about how the 3 laws dont really hold up? 09:26 AFAIK it didn't start out as a movie based on the books and then they licensed the name for marketing reasons 09:27 alex_: is there a character named Susan Calvin in the movie? 09:27 i dont remember 09:27 yes 09:27 yup there is 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:35565 09:29 <@Tone> bhaak: What would you change about the game design to make playing without a stash more feasible? 09:30 if you had a time machine of course 09:30 "just make the carry cap 10000" -- amy 09:30 perhaps a... hot tub time machine? 09:30 why do you need a time machine for that 09:31 alex_: for changing the direction nethack took in its design early 09:31 how about lowering the carry cap and making monsters more likely to steal out of your stash 09:31 aaaaahhh no 09:31 that would only make players angry as they then would need to hunt for missing items more than they already need to do 09:31 heh heh 09:32 <@Tone> If the carry cap formula was tweaked very slightly then you'd probably almost never need one. But there will always be people who feel they need one. 09:32 no magic marker would reduce book and scroll hoarding 09:32 xnethack has a neat solution to carry cap that doesnt unbalance the game 09:32 a ring of carrying 09:32 remove BoH 09:32 add a "bank" shop that holds items for you safely for a cost 09:32 thats called a chest 09:33 minus the $$$ 09:33 @Tone it's a general problem in RPGs that players are stashing stuff. "I might need it later". 09:33 K2: I wouldn't call it a solution, since you usually don't get a positive one by the time you start needing to stash 09:33 the magic chest is an interesting take on it 09:33 i mean yeah but theres the shopkeeper making sure gnomish wizards dont rummage through your stash 09:33 every item has an expiration date in N turns! 09:33 still a stash, technically 09:33 we should become enlighted and do away with worldy possessions 09:33 Hekik: yes, that's one way for doing it. why is the dungeon always so clean? somebody must pick up the stuff from previous players! 09:33 no more objects! 09:34 imo stash related things adds more decisions. i dont think its the right decision to do away with them 09:35 I think stashing (or pack-ratting in BagsoH) is inevitable with a game like nethack where nearly all player power and growth comes from items 09:35 <@Tone> In general I like the balance with early game carrying capacity and inventory management, personally 09:36 i like it too. you make trade-offs all the time 09:36 <@Tone> It eventually can become tedious though 09:36 me too, it's one of the reasons I prefer nethack over other roguelikes 09:36 wearing that armor or this lighter one. bringing all the scrolls or only some. figuring out whats important now and whats important later 09:36 <@Tone> You often have to decide between good armor, big weapons, useful tools, or a stack of good consumables 09:37 <@Tone> Or you can sacrifice your speed for more of those things 09:37 K2: The real thing I added to help with stash management tedium is thiefstones. 09:37 ah yeah 09:38 i remember being all excited about them when they first appeared 09:38 i think magic chests etc take away many of these aspects 09:38 might as well remove encumbrance 09:38 and hunger while youre at it 09:42 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 09:45 sounds like slex 09:46 alex_: well, they are pretty popular in the variants that have them 09:46 k2: finally just ate that black dragon ;) 09:46 rebatela: Message from K2 at 2019-09-17 03:06 EDT: fixed the crash bug you found in evilhack 09:46 aosdict: but dont you agree that restrictions on cap etc add an interesting element to the game 09:47 for magic chests, the balance is probably having them far enough apart that lugging loot around has consequences, but not going through cleared level after tedious cleared level 09:47 alex_: Yes, they do; the only variant that has said that they don't is slex. But the key is figuring out how to maximize the interest and minimize the boringness. 09:48 and one perk for wiz/neutral is that you can levelport to your stash, assuming you kept it in the right place 09:48 branchport/ not levelport 09:49 but what about stashes is boring 09:50 if you are far away from your stash, it is tedious to have to backtrack there for no other purpose than dropping off loot and returning to wherever you paused exploring 09:50 alex_: item management, item hauling, time lost travelling to and fro. 09:50 make multiple stashes 09:50 quick backtracking (levelport) requires an investment of useful magic items 09:50 most of the time, it wouldn't even be needed 09:51 but players often do useless stuff 09:51 what if you could send pets to/from stashes or something 09:51 multiple stashes don't really help, at some point you're going to want to consolidate them 09:51 no clue how to implement but ive played games like that 09:52 and then it's even more annoying to go to each stash, take everything, and haul it back to the main one 09:52 especially interesting if the pet isn't safe on its way to and from the stash 09:52 <@Tone> I just drop stuff on whatever level I'm on if I need to shed weight. So in practice if I'm having encumbrance issues I'll have like a stack of potions or something sitting around every few floors 09:52 so you cant just send off some newly tamed kitten to fetch grayswandir 09:53 @Tone same, but that only saves you from the effort of finding a suitable container 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:35608 09:53 <@Tone> Why would you stash Grayswandir to begin with? Most armor and weapon choices can be made on the spot and don't need to be stashed. 09:54 alex_: Due to nethack only being able to have one level open at a time (always the one where the player is), I don't think that would work 09:54 hmm true 09:54 and i dont know how youd actually implement that kind of thing in the ui anyway 09:54 it could maybe be made to work in fiqhack where that's not the case. but fiqhack has magic chests anyway and that seems superior to pet fetching 09:55 thats the thing though 09:55 <{Demo}> there are 3.x variants with magic chests but I think it works like the migration chain in that it's just another chain 09:55 superior in what sense 09:55 its perfectly safe and doesnt have any negative tradeoff to use a magic chest right 09:56 also it can store 1000 items whereas your pet can probably not haul 1000 items back to you 09:56 yeah but is there ever a reason not to use a magic chest 09:56 if there isn't one around or nearby 09:57 they're either immovable or incredibly heavy depending on the implementation, so you can't really put one wherever you like 09:57 thats just something preventing you from using it though. is there any reason there would be one and you'd choose not to use it 09:57 no 09:58 im not sure if its considered a "dungeon feature". but other dungeon features have many reasons youd leave them alone 09:58 <@Tone> I once watched Marvin grab a box, fill it with every useful item on the level, dig down with the box, and repeat for every floor until the deepest he'd cleared 09:59 <@Tone> That was an interesting "stash" concept 09:59 interesting. what if you could leash a box/bag to you like an iron ball 10:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) killed Oona, on T:35946 10:05 k2: killed an orange dragon while engulfed, no corpse 10:05 thats vanilla behavior 10:05 of course dragons dont engulf in vanilla 10:05 so no provision was created for that scenario 10:06 just added it to the to-do 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:36338 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1049 points, T:1792, killed by a large cat 10:06 ;) 10:07 not the first time that's been brought up 10:07 Tangles mentioned it once i think 10:07 i also forgot to mention that at the castle, something killed a nazgul (not me) and after that i was attacked by the invisible undetectable fell beast 10:07 god dammit 10:08 that's still happening 10:08 hmm but this time it was monster vs monster 10:08 however, later (after a restart) it was visible 10:08 right 10:08 that's the current 'fix' 10:08 ah. good to know 10:09 i'v e only seen two of the nazgul and the other is still alive locked up 10:09 at yeenoghu's lair iirc 10:09 did you have conflict on at the time? 10:10 only reason i can think of for a monster to want to kill a nazgul 10:10 i didn't have it then 10:10 maybe it got in the way of a range attack 10:10 does evilhack have the grudge patch? 10:10 it does 10:10 (modified) 10:10 i was coming in the backdoor and somebody with a wand of death was zapping it through the crowd 10:10 K2: so potentially a hobbit did it ; 10:11 also others wands. i'm not sure when it got killed but it was in the doorway 10:11 alex_ not likely 10:11 nazgul way stronger than a hobbit 10:11 esp evilhack nazgul 10:11 maybe its a really really mean hobbit 10:13 happens a bit late but still good for fighting certain late game monsters 10:13 oops 10:13 K2: I mean, it happened in LOTR. 10:14 there were hobbit soldiers, and all it takes is the coup-de-grace 10:14 would a nazgul survive in a barracks full of hobbit soldiers? 10:14 K2: if you ever implement the Barrow-blade of Westernesse... 10:15 heh 10:15 aosdict whats the code to force a turn to increment in nethack 10:15 i keep thinking nomul 10:15 i want to get into nethack coding but i dont know where to start 10:16 alex_ pick something you want to change. thats a good place to start 10:16 nomul is weird and I don't fully understand it 10:16 by force a turn to increment do you mean paralyze the player for 1 turn 10:17 no 10:17 i mean, happens, force turn counter to increase by one 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Chansu (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:80890 10:17 the game clock just ticks up one with no other effect on the game? 10:18 yeah 10:18 except in evilhack, that' 10:18 grr 10:18 you could do monstermoves++ (or whatever variable that is) but I hereby disclaim this as very bug prone and don't come crying to me if things break 10:18 except in evilhack, that's one turn closer to increased monster generation 10:19 aosdict i dont come crying to you for anything 10:19 ;) 10:19 what about that one time with the onions 10:19 we dont talk about that 10:21 -!- bug_sniper_ is now known as bug_sniper 10:22 yasi: a wizard spell than animates engravings, turning them into monsters 10:25 evil patch idea: an eraser monster with a polearm attack so that it can erase engravings underneath you, behind you, and next to you, even if it has to reach behind a monster 10:26 call it a pencil-mounted eraser maybe? 10:29 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 10:30 evil patch idea: pencil monsters that engrave Owlbreath to scare and push away your Elbereth engraving 10:30 ok, that's enough eraser patch ideas 10:36 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Maybe the confusion is a chance dependent on monster level; otherwise it would be too easy to clear graveyards. 11:13 YANI: Do a similar thing for shriekers, causing them to shriek when they get hit by light, but that requires a bit more thought in order to make them not exploitable to accelerate monster spawning. 11:16 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:20 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 11:23 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:25 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:29 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 11:33 -!- Gaelan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had a broadsword named Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:7943 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 11292 points, T:8041, killed by a soldier ant 11:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:57 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:02 which variant is it where tourists get XP for seeing new monster species or photographing them? I thought it was unnethack, but I didn't see anything about that there 12:03 sounds like a slash'em thing 12:04 <{Demo}> dnethack 12:04 <{Demo}> not slashem 12:05 At the moment I think it's just "seeing" them, not photographing them. 12:05 Where "seeing" is defined as "starting your turn adjacent to them, and able to see them" 12:08 YANI: Arcs get experience for photographing monsters (as well as Tourists, possibly). 12:09 photographing artifacts 12:16 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38 [hdf-us] [slex] Hekik (Jed Hum Mal Cha) killed Arthur Dent, on T:3831 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Tou Hum Fem Law), 2776 points, T:6618, killed by a purple worm 12:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:40788 13:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Quicksilver", on T:41395 13:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had a war hammer named Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:839 13:26 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 2071 points, T:1910, killed by a soldier ant 13:30 k2 or anyone, what are the armor prizes for sokoban? tx 13:30 (in evilhack) 13:30 right now its 50/50 CoMR or cloak of protection 13:31 gonna change that for next version, because that invalidates 1/3 of the prizes for giant race 13:34 i just realized i never did the zoo! i'm eating wraiths from valley of the dead and porting back to soko and just noticed a room full of monsters and 3 prizes :) 13:35 if that's ( is a marker, it would have really helped like 20,000 turns ago! but i don't know if i should go for the cloak or wish for a dragonhide one 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Val Hum Fem Law), 779 points, T:2299, killed by a gnome lord 13:50 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:41104 13:53 doh 13:54 at least now i can use magicbane 13:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:59 aosdict: why is making the carry cap higher so bad? of course I'm not stupid, I did adjust the weights of loadstones, iron balls, boulders etc. to ensure you can't simply carry them around :P 14:01 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 14:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:03 imho, one of the challenges is learning how to decide what is worth carrying. you weigh the pros and cons of carrying different things. different strategies. is the orb of weight worth carrying ? Because it kind of is... 14:03 but if you can just carry everything, well of course you're going to carry it 14:04 game would be easier and less fun (nothing against slex. you know i've never played it lol. just arguing the other side) 14:04 "less fun" 14:04 sorry but I have to disagree with you on that one 14:05 <{Demo}> slex is so slexual 14:05 having to constantly manage the way too low weight limit in vanilla isn't "challenging", it's a tedious chore, managing your inventory in lategame vanilla is in fact harder than the stuff I'm getting PAID to do! :P 14:06 and walking back to your stash is just plain boring, takes hundreds of turns, and if you have an ascension kit none of the random monsters that spawn on such a trip will be dangerous anyway, so... you're just going through the motions because the weight limit isn't higher 14:06 i gave a pretty good example. Is it worth doing for half physical damage, half spell damage and levelporting ? 14:07 <{Demo}> current slex is basically a variant of its older self at this point 14:07 levelporting in particular is huge if you have to go back and from your stash all the damn time :P so essentially you just have to swallow the bitter pill of having to play with an even lower weight limit, and make that many more trips! 14:07 and I've ascended vanilla several times and thoroughly not enjoyed the weight limit every single time 14:08 being able to carry more wouldn't have changed the # of ascensions probably, but it would have made them much less annoying 14:08 i'm not even gonna bother with magicbane because i keep pressing w - out of habit because i was so paranoid about losing weaponless with the pickaxe that i'll never keep it wielded lol 14:08 ^^ nothing to do with our debate 14:09 i am looking forward to playing a game where you can carry everything. don't get me wrong!! 14:09 The complete lack of challenges in late-game vanilla is its own problem. 14:09 rebatela: do it :D 14:09 i'm sure is fun as hell. Just trying to explain the point of it 14:09 it's up to each player to decide whether the game mechanics are tedium or challenging. obiously there will be differences 14:09 you'll never want to go back to a nonslex variant again! and yes, slex has more than enough challenges already, it doesn't need cumbersome inventory management on top of it 14:09 (Not that dnh is a whole lot better in that regard) 14:10 why does the hero get hungry? That kinda sucks too. Do you have to eat in slex? ;) 14:10 Chris_ANG: play evilhack 14:10 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 14:10 trust me, the late game has its challenges 14:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:10 At some point I really should. 14:10 rebatela: play the golem race, then you're inediate *bundlebundlebundle* (but ring/amulet hunger still applies) 14:11 also there are those who feel that if you put in the work necessary to reach the late game, you should not have that taken away lightly 14:13 hothraxxa: my roommate is such a person, she said at one point that slex is way too cruel, setting you back to square one given its extreme length; the player does now get a 1-up for claiming the amulet without having to lifesave up to that point ;) 14:13 i agree with her 14:23 does magicbane block curses when carried or only while wielded? 14:26 Wielded, typically. 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had a double-headed axe named Cleaver bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:1456 14:28 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a cloak of protection, on T:42616 14:35 Wielded. 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:42954 14:37 now we're talking, chih 14:38 <{Demo}> haha 14:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:44 !who 14:44 K2: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] AntiVirus [evil] hothraxxa [evil] rebatela [evil] Hekik [slex] simpleliquid [slex] Heliokopis [nh343] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh363] galadriel [nh363] Semilg [fh] | [hdf-au] No current players 14:45 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had a long sword named Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:2113 14:49 wtf *two* slex players??? 14:49 am I dreaming? 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2258 points, T:2572, killed by a werejackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:10 :) 15:11 although I am currently not a fan of this quantum mechanic with a wand of chaos terrain 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:37568 15:16 Hekik: I hope you have a pick-axe ;) 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:37600 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:44150 15:23 yay magicbane 15:23 good thing the wand of wishing wasn't in there (it was) 15:23 didnt you notice all your stuff being scattered about 15:24 magicbane blows up boh in evil right? 15:24 thankgod :) 15:24 aosdict: there's a chance it can yes 15:24 yes it does aosdict lol 15:24 small chance 15:25 but it's not as bad as vanilla phew 15:25 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 15:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 15:25 so what you lost were: the bag, the item that caused the explosion, any potions, and anything made of glass that wasnt shatterproof 15:26 otherwise everything is scattered about in a 10x10 area 15:28 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:30 yep.. potions kinda sucks but could be much worse 15:30 yup 15:31 some good things have to happen to you, otherwise if it were all bad and evil all the time, you'd become numb to it 15:31 so some things in evilhack are actually better to the player than in vanilla 15:32 it all balances 15:32 LarienTelrunya: do altars have a chance to disappear when BUC testing in slex? I vaguely remember that's a thing in some variants but I don't remember which 15:32 or tries to 15:32 i but a bag of tricks in by boh of holding just after getting the castle wand my very first ascension so i'm not complaining about this. losing everything really sucks 15:32 Hekik: yep 15:32 1 in 100 normally, 1 in 500 if the altar belongs to an attended temple 15:32 oof, well I was pretty lucky then since I just dropped pretty much my whole inventory on the Minetown altar 15:33 I imagine the priest gets angry if you hit that 1 in 500 15:33 K2: the overall balance is evil though 15:33 yeah BUC testing in slex isn't bottomless :P it's usually a bad idea to BUC-test every single gem 15:33 the priest only gets angry if you make the mistake of chatting to him while the altar is no longer there 15:33 ah, I see 15:34 k2: i guess i'm lucky the wow wasn't glass? 15:34 yup 15:34 that's what i thought because i couldn't find it at first 15:34 was panicking 15:34 if it were you could have fooproofed it 15:35 really??? 15:35 Hekik: oh you're a jedi, well then you can #force with a lit lightsaber to cut away annoying walls, trees and doors 15:35 yup 15:35 is that an evil thing? 15:35 you can fooproof just about anything 15:35 nice 15:35 evilhack and grunthack yeah 15:35 and i think that came from slash'em? 15:35 although my lightsaber is just about spent and the recharge technique still isn't ready 15:35 also I guess we shouldn't clog up the evilhack discussion, so we might move over to the esm channel if you like ;) 15:35 or fourk 15:36 i think if you drop your stash on an altar and you're levitating it would break too right? I feel like i've done that. god that would suck. i probably did it and blocked it out 15:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:44 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 15:44 yeah dont drop things while flying/levitating 15:45 they can break - thats vanilla behavior 15:45 trying to remember if i've killed any player monsters with BoH 15:46 it's all one big evil blur 15:46 the higher level ones will almost always have a BoH 15:46 Ironphibic elves are really an adjustment 15:46 very diskworld though 15:47 *Ironphobic 15:47 AntiVirus and orcs hate mithril in evilhack 15:47 and it goes both ways (player race and monster) 15:47 yeah that was hard to get used to as an elf player 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 14387 points, T:6458, killed by a leocrotta 15:48 antivirus: hey did you ascend that wizard? 15:48 I did! 15:48 AWESOME!!! congrats!!! 15:49 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AntiVirus/nethack/dumplog/1568149829.nh.html?fbclid=IwAR3WGnJgBCkfZBoEKYnf_3KcoilNySysAV5yDAzSaMyj6mkCUDoLqo1Viws 15:49 Thanks dude! 15:51 \o/ 15:51 Praise the Sun 15:52 ;) 15:52 have you found Praise the Sun as your lord and savior? 15:52 can I come in? 15:52 hmm, only if you know the secret gesture 15:53 \o/ 15:53 || 15:53 heheh 15:57 congrats AntiVirus 15:59 hey! oh6, you're the guy with all the statues on Medusa's Island. Thanks! First one, and I'm ready to go again. 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:00 I like how the game takes people who tend to ascend a lot (and therefore don't die much on Medusa or in the Valley) and heavily implies they die a lot on Medusa and in the Valley. 16:00 is that why there's always a ton of hothraxxa statues in my games? 16:01 Right, isn't it top scoring players 16:01 I thought that was funny too 16:01 do shopkeepers ever have bags of holding on them? 16:02 not that i'd ever attack a shopkeeper. I'm a neutral monk 16:02 <@Tone> Not in vanilla 16:03 <@Tone> They have wands of striking and magic missile, keys, and (extra) healing potions iirc 16:03 they might deathdrop one if killed 16:04 i need some player monsters to show up. I know i've killed them with them. i think in earlier games though. gonna do a quick search of dungeon 16:06 don't the gods grant mundane items too? 16:07 too bad there's no unlimited carrying capacity, amy 16:07 <{Demo}> mundane munching carl 16:07 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 16:08 i don't want to waste a wish on a bag of holding, but at the same time i need a bag of holding. it's not really a waste of a wish 16:09 I don't always wish for a bag of holding, but when I do I wish there was a waterproof one ;) 16:09 don't say grease 16:09 i killed one the other day in evilhack and i want to say he had different gear than vanilla but can't remember 16:09 I know about that lol 16:09 might be confusing with player monsters 16:10 I kinda wish there was spellbook tupperware or something 16:10 maybe i could wrap my finger of death spellbook in my oilskin cloak 16:10 AntiVirus: one of the patches I went through recently made it so that a blessed bag of holding will never wet its contents, but I rejected it for being too powerful 16:10 yeah it would be superpowered 16:12 During my ascension run, I got to the plane of water, saw that basically all my spellbooks would be trash soon 16:12 and tried to refresh my knowledge of Finger of Death in an airbubble while being beaten up on all sides 16:12 I mean, it wasn't needed exactly...I think it lasted through the end anyway 16:13 but yeah I guess it's normal to get to the Astral Plane with blank scrolls, books, and nothing but water potions for the most part. I did have a couple of clutch potions of full healing survive 16:14 reading scrollback: congrats antivirus 16:14 thanks hothraxxa! 16:15 and you can drop whatever you want when flying, that one of the major benefits 16:15 how do you mean? 16:15 oh right, flying vs levitation 16:15 oh. from scrollback, they were talking about dropping your stash while levitating 16:15 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: need_some_goddamn_sleep] 16:16 er you bag of not holding 16:16 i've lost a few potions to forgetting that i'm levitating 16:16 but flying, you can drop anything 16:17 bag of not holding? sounds like an EPI 16:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Hum Mal Neu), 1716450 points, T:42033, escaped 16:17 how about plastic bag 16:17 can I get one of those? 16:17 lol 16:17 we don't like your kind round here. we're environmentalists 16:17 bag of 'wheredid I put my keys?' 16:18 bahaha 16:18 maybe I can melt the cheap plastic amulet of yendor for it at the forge 16:18 can I have a gucci bag? or a coach? 16:18 bring your reusable tote bags with you to the Dungeons of Doom. How many times do we have to tell you people? 16:18 lol 16:18 in evilhack, i usually wind up with half a dozen bags of holding 16:18 new role - bag lady 16:18 same in grunt 16:19 K2, If it's not Louis Vuitton it's polyfodder 16:19 pffft 16:19 [hdf-us] [slex] simpleliquid (Pir Hum Fem Neu), 20014 points, T:4877, killed by a monster (invisible Ms. Vada, the shopkeeper) 16:19 here's how to lose a boh, going back to the burdened discussion this morning 16:20 drop it to get unburdened and have croesus zap polymorph at you 16:20 i wish Bob Ross were still alive. I bet he'd paint a nice bag of holding 16:20 YANI: If player monsters can steal the Amulet from you, they have a 50% chance of stealing a cheap plastic imitation you have in main inventory instead. (Not a uniform chance across all Amulet lookalikes.) 16:20 should be a tnnt achoevement 16:20 Rodney is not fooled by imitations and always steals the real Amulet. 16:21 oooh aosdict 16:21 very nice tip 16:21 the funny thing was when croesus did that to me, i got an empty boh 16:21 tip? that was a proposal for an idea, not a tip 16:21 which confused the hell out of me 16:21 damn Croesus 16:21 oh I thought that's how it worked lol 16:21 YANI = Yet Another [insert N adjective] Idea 16:21 YANI - that must be tjhe part 16:21 yeah 16:22 got it 16:22 aosdict: have you tried blowing up a full boh at the top of vlad's tower yet? 16:22 you really need to do that 16:24 I did, and I'm pretty sure I fixed the bug 16:24 where the hell in the code does it say 'if you kill a monster from the inside that has engulfed you, dont drop any objects' 16:25 yeah the fix has been live since the last time K2 updated xnh 16:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 79 points, T:117, killed by a sewer rat 16:26 i'm not having too big of a problem managing with out a boh with maxed stats all because of the terrible horrible STASH 16:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 49 points, T:115, killed by a fox 16:27 Like you said hothraxxa, there are plenty. i'll have one soon or polymorph if i really have to . but i had a bunch my last game too because of player monsters 16:27 i was just leaving them on the gound or zapping polymorph at them hoping for a marker 16:29 I thought you couldn't get markers via polypile in evilhack 16:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 4 points, T:126, killed by a grid bug 16:29 you cant 16:29 probability of generation is 0 16:29 therefore no polypiling for one 16:30 sokoban or a wish, only way to obtain a sharpie 16:30 ^ see how I made sokoban worth doing again? :P 16:30 hmmm yep, that's a must now 16:31 in my last run i skipped it, having already gotten reflection and BoH 16:31 AntiVirus have you read up on evilhack at all? or are you going in unspoiled? 16:31 unspoiled as much as possible 16:31 gotcha 16:31 you can search evilhack on the wiki if need be 16:31 I kinda want that old feeling back fo r abit 16:31 *for a bit 16:31 ^ heck yeah 16:31 and so far it's been fun 16:32 fo' rabbit 16:32 I had a game end after sitting on a throne, the audience was summoned...I was a low level wizard so that would be death 16:32 prayed...god was no help with hitpoints 16:32 so I zapped myself with a poly wand, and became a dragon 16:33 that worked until I got paralized for a SUPER long time, and one wererat summoned hella allies and killed me 16:33 all that feels like it could have been a Vanilla YASD 16:33 but maybe not? it's hard to tell 16:34 i didnt adjust any of the mechanics you just described 16:34 yeah I figured not 16:34 there's not a whole lot for spoilers to begin with 16:34 I think it was a good old fasioned arrogant death 16:34 rebatela really? 16:34 I tried to chomp the floating eye 16:34 go look on the wiki 16:35 i wasn't complaining 16:35 never melee the floating eye lol 16:35 i'd call that general information more than spoilers 16:35 wait til you encounter magical eyes 16:35 and beholders 16:35 ssshhh! 16:35 oh man 16:35 beholders...sounds like tons of ray and gaze attacks 16:35 * K2 is shhh'ing 16:35 sweet 16:37 rebatela: and we're a very long way away from anyone making a strategy guide 16:37 <{Demo}> use a +9 elven runesword its better than any universal artifact 16:40 elven long sword > elven runesword 16:41 <{Demo}> thats a narrow weapon sorry 16:41 does more damage 16:41 <{Demo}> elven runesword isnt an item 16:41 <{Demo}> so i dont see how it could 16:41 elven runesword == elven broadsword 16:42 <{Demo}> tell that to the wish parser 16:42 <{Demo}> or magicby 16:42 <{Demo}> someone make magicby tier strategy guides for evilhack 16:42 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6/src/objects.c#L203 16:43 I don't see "elven runesword" anywhere 16:43 its the same thing 16:43 <{Demo}> its a mistake you would only make if you didnt really remember what it was called 16:44 * K2 changes all weapons in src/objects. c to 'elven runesword' 16:49 in vanilla, kaen usally spawns with a robe but sometimes he will have cloak of magic resistance. Does he have some kind of immunity to death magic in evilhack beyond that? 16:51 now that's a spoiler. and it's not like i can look it up. that's all i meant :) i appreciate all the work you've put in on the wiki etc. didn't mean it like that. can i death wand him? 16:52 i've never had to in vanill a because scare works. i don't remember 3.43 other than him being really hard 16:52 so it probably doesn't work 16:52 <{Demo}> i think his mr in 343 comes from the eyes of the overworld? 16:53 <{Demo}> dont they give mr? when carried there? 16:53 <{Demo}> never one to rely on QA for MR unless its a wished one and id never wish for those so idk 16:54 -!- Andrio has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:58 rebatela it looks like he just has MR. Death could work, but maybe not. Unless its changed. I would give it a try and find out ;) 16:58 You're our astronaut 17:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 409 points, T:667, killed by a gnome lord 17:03 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 17:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:42889 17:12 i gave it a try and found out last time he kicked my ass lol 17:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Daemon, on T:43107 17:14 pretty sure i know the answer. i am just going to get powerful enough to melee him ;) getting there 17:16 i can wear body armor now so that really helps. MR and reflection w/out using cloak or amuelt slot 17:16 -!- Semilg has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:17 sweet, what is giving you MR and Reflection? 17:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 440 points, T:2217, killed by Mr. Kabalebo, the shopkeeper 17:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 0 points, T:29, killed by a jackal 17:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43670 17:20 artifact gloves(reflection) and now gdsm.. it doesn't seem to be noticeably affecting martial arts. 17:21 BUt you can't wear body armor as a monk until you are high level, stats maxed 17:21 (can't hit) 17:21 huh, a room full of player character corpses 17:22 ah 17:22 you're quite the adventurer antivirus... first vanilla ascension and straight on to evil hack i love it ;) 17:22 lol yep 17:23 i'm the complete opposite. only played vanilla. i just played over here instead of nao because the people seemed nicer 17:23 I'm just excided to see some new things 17:23 yeah it's fun man. i just started playing too 17:23 yeah thats true about hardfought so far for me 17:24 people are more chatty in here 17:24 but theres many of the same people in #nethack dunno 17:24 i'll shutup... 17:25 yeah they don't talk at all 17:25 its as if somebody genocided humans in this room 17:25 lol 17:25 im in there too but convos dont get brought up as often in there 17:25 the thing is if you can't talk about variants at all in #nethack 17:25 this channel has a much richer foundation for discussions. Everything that could be said in #nethack probably has been said. 17:26 but i've seen people leigitatemly go into #nethack for help and get ignored and the channel is full of people 17:26 rebatela: #nethack doesn't have a rule for not talking about variants 17:26 also #nethack is probably 98% idlers 17:27 i know it doesn't. but you would confuse people 17:27 this is another world. and i know because i was only on #nethack for the longet time and avoided harfought like the plague 17:27 turns out this is the place to be 17:28 is anyone from the nethack devteam on any of these channels? 17:28 yes 17:28 for usre 17:28 sure 17:29 well. are they active and known about? heh 17:30 a quick look shows that nhmall is the only devteam member who's only on #nethack-dev 17:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 1351 points, T:974, killed by a dwarf 17:30 the ones who aren't in the witness protection program are on both channels 17:31 hah, that bad is it 17:32 no, i'm just kidding. but a lot of the people on here are very involved in the nethack community (i just play, poorly) 17:33 this channel has most if not all of the variant devs 17:33 I like this channel <3 17:33 keep up the good work and discussion :) 17:34 mysterious devteam 17:34 variants with a dev in this channel: xnh, evil, FIQHack, nh4 (sometimes), un, dyna (technically), splice, dnh, ndnh, slex 17:36 i liked nethack4 quite a bit actually, but went back to vanilla 17:36 sweet 17:36 vanilla is best 17:36 mm i think so too 17:36 i feel distracted when trying variants 17:36 but maybe thats just the fault of slashem 17:38 i like nethack4 because it's easy 17:42 i'm going to have the highest turncount ascension to date that's for sure 17:43 gold dragon. wtf? 17:43 tamed him ;) 17:43 i forgot i learned charm 17:44 who! 17:44 huh... 17:44 that didn't work lol 17:44 !who 17:44 aosdict: [hdf-us] samiam [nh363] Demo2 [dnh] malor [dnh] AntiVirus [evil] rebatela [evil] | [hdf-eu] rsa [nh363] galadriel [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 17:44 ah 17:45 nice rebatela, now you just need a saddle 17:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:43750 17:46 and maybe speed monster wand him 17:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1395 17:49 Yeah i might ride him for a bit ( i have a saddle) but i'm thinking of wearing the scales at some point 17:50 ok, you're right k2. there are spoilers ;) and i do appreciate it. lot of work 17:51 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/623637178445987851/unknown.png 17:51 <@ChrisANG> Whoops, wrong channel >_< 17:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:44037 17:54 <{Demo}> meleed :P 17:59 nice 18:00 pseudodragon rocks in combat for a pet. Sucks as a thief 18:01 sudodragon..that's what we need 18:01 properly evil 18:01 it casts rm r / 18:01 rm -r / 18:02 no, the pseudodragon s a good thief if you've given it some tripe 18:02 ah, yeah I have tripe 18:02 I was wating for it to dump something out of the shop 18:02 but it just keeps fluttering around 18:02 that happens sometimes 18:02 how much tripe do you have? 18:02 2 18:03 give it one anyway 18:03 oh..its fluttering over by the tripe in the shop lol 18:03 stand just inside the door. when it lands on the item you want, step back and see if it picks up the item and follows 18:03 k 18:04 oh dear. go and pick that up and drop it before it gets eaten 18:04 and if it's picking up the tripe and dropping it, it's not hungry so you're kind of screwed on increasing it's apport for now 18:04 s/it's/its 18:04 grrr 18:05 all good 18:08 whenever you have a pet and enter a store with tripe, always pick it up and either buy it or if you can't afford it, just drop it for the pet. it will eat it at no charge but because you handled it, it increases apport 18:09 where pet = dog|cat|pseudodragon 18:09 so if i wear gold dragon scale armor i can melee demogorgon/pestilence etc and not get sick? What a find! And it lights up!! May as well just call me a demigod now 18:10 sure 18:10 i am going to ride him for a bit though 18:10 you'll just get stunlocked 18:10 dude just ait my wraith. he's on a stern warning 18:10 ate 18:10 k2: you should make it so that tame dragons don't drop scales 18:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:45291 18:12 <{Demo}> how does that make sense? 18:12 do it like this, then it gets collected (thanks aosdict) and might happen one day: 18:13 yes i know how to do it, i was yanking your chain 18:13 YANI: When you kill a dragon that is a tame, it will never leave scales 18:13 i know ;) 18:13 now see you did it yourself 18:14 i bet some of the best ideas never get YANI'd though 18:15 i'm psyched i can hit with DSM in general. I am going to stick with the gray for now 18:16 you won't hit reliably when you run into dirk the blackguard or someone in gehennom 18:16 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:17 i have skiled two-weapon and +7 dirge and +7 stormbringer, mac luck and 18 dex, and i have to switch to my primary to hit some of those buggers 18:18 is that common enough that i should ditch the body armor? 18:19 It's not even for the AC. I can get AC no problem. It's the whole saving a slot thing 18:19 up to you, see how it goes 18:19 lol 18:19 cmon 18:19 ok i will see how it goes 18:19 seriously. you might find it relaible enough 18:19 ok 18:19 i haven't gotten a single 'cumbersome' message 18:20 but to your point i haven't fought anything tough yet 18:20 gdsm cancellation is nice 18:20 the other thing is that once i kill kaen i will be getting MR from eyes of overworld 18:20 any tips for him hothraxxa? 18:21 a wand of death works well 18:21 ok 18:21 thank you 18:21 i missed a buunch of times with it last time but i wasn't prepared 18:21 tbh i've never had much trouble with kaen 18:21 hothraxxa you were right about the psudodragon 18:21 just wasn't sure if it was missing or that it didn't work 18:21 after a few tripes, he's a machine 18:21 yeah 18:22 sometimes (1/10 maybe?) he will spawn with a cloak of MR instead of a robe, similar to temple preists etc. 18:22 ah right 18:22 well sleep works too 18:22 nice 18:22 I just had to pick up all the unpaid tripe lying roudn the shop, then he followed me 18:22 now you're getting it ;) 18:24 rebatela: i've also used paralysis on him too 18:25 it really helps if you have teleport control, because it's a teleport level 18:25 yeah i do 18:25 isn't the staircase the place to be though? 18:26 lots of traps sometimes you fall down into the lair if you're not careful 18:26 i boulder the stairs usually 18:26 alright. i'm gonna do this 18:27 i'm definitely gonna see how the dsm goes though.. if it's worth it I'll enchant up :: whispers 'gold dsm' :: 18:27 (i dont' want the dragon to hear) 18:28 <{Demo}> whoa 18:29 <{Demo}> i got HELLA enextod 18:29 <{Demo}> on astral 18:29 <{Demo}> yoinked from one side of the map to anotehr 18:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:45573 18:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:45576 18:33 oh this is awesome. the dragon is killing everything. i've only played knights/rode steeds a few times 18:33 <@riker> gg demo 18:33 <{Demo}> bleh 18:33 <{Demo}> never reached full attack power or used it 18:33 <@riker> why bleh lol 18:33 <{Demo}> no need to :( 18:33 <@riker> oh really? lol 18:33 <{Demo}> all these left over chaos2 runes as expected 18:33 <{Demo}> no im xp lvl 28 18:34 <@riker> yea i see that 18:34 <{Demo}> never got to 30 for final attack 18:34 <@riker> any spare wishes? 18:34 <@riker> wish for 2 potions of gain level lmao 18:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 5974910 points, T:45640, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo2/dnethack/dumplog/1568563843.dnh.txt 18:34 <{Demo}> i dont care 18:34 <@riker> but yeah this proves two things 18:34 <@riker> 1. chaos2 is stupid OP and needs a nerf / chaos1/3 need buffs 18:34 <{Demo}> chaos 2 isnt stupid op? 18:34 <@riker> 2. barbarians are stupid OP is needs a nerf / everybody else needs buffs 18:34 <@riker> not the quest itself 18:34 <@riker> the stuff it gives 18:34 <{Demo}> the prizes arent either? 18:34 " I don't eat wraiths because i'm a good gold dragon swallows the Grey-elf. "Burrrrp!" " 18:34 <@riker> really? 18:34 <{Demo}> the tiles are bleh 18:35 <{Demo}> actually 18:35 <@riker> I feel like they're so much better than chaos1/3 unless you really need intrinsics 18:35 <{Demo}> i dont think you can extract ANY meaning about chaos2 from that run 18:35 <{Demo}> that was a broken run 18:35 <@riker> yeah fair enough 18:35 <{Demo}> maybe id have had use for the tiles if i wasnt brokenly op 18:35 <@riker> how much dps is that 18:35 <{Demo}> no clue 18:35 <@riker> 3d8x3 + 3d8x2? 18:35 <{Demo}> dont care to do the math 18:36 <{Demo}> more 18:36 <{Demo}> idk 18:36 <@riker> pretty sure that's 15d8 + 105 18:36 congrats demo 18:38 Should be 9x? 18:39 <@riker> er yeah 18:39 <@riker> wait no he has two chris 18:39 <@riker> lol 18:39 <{Demo}> it didnt feel particularly powerful 18:39 <@riker> one has ahriman one is plain star sapphire, both +7 psionic 18:39 Oh, two OopsSabers? 18:39 <{Demo}> i felt weak 18:39 <{Demo}> due to lack of effective ranged 18:39 <@riker> "a - a blessed +7 psionic pulsing and shimmering ruby lightsaber (lit) (weapon in hand)" 18:39 <{Demo}> i think barb can learn bow but im not doing that 18:40 Yeah, 15x total then. 18:40 <{Demo}> had to melee literally everything 18:40 <{Demo}> and was too wish stingy to try and get a bodyglove so that was annoying 18:40 <{Demo}> probably should have gone greendsm and not cpm but i wanted to try cpm after the changes 18:41 <@riker> is there an easy way to get a bodyglove? 18:41 <{Demo}> rolling the dice on a wish 18:41 <{Demo}> 1/5 of the magoo having it or something i think 18:41 <@riker> oh neat 18:42 1/4, I think. 18:42 <{Demo}> ah, whatever it was i couldnt be asked to care which was pretty annoying later on 18:42 <@riker> which magoo? 18:43 <@riker> clairvoyant changed? 18:43 <@riker> or a diff one 18:43 <{Demo}> no, that guy cannot 18:43 <@riker> ok didn't think so 18:43 <{Demo}> crucified robot of some sort, I THINK 18:43 <@riker> oh 18:43 <@riker> ah yeah I remember that 18:43 <@riker> crucified androids have like 1/4 bodyglove and 1/4 jumpsuit 18:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:36365 18:47 haha yeah I only had a dragon mount once, and it rocked 18:47 (reading backscroll) 18:47 hey, if evilhack is going to give everyone the ride skill, we might as well take the few handouts, amirite? 18:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) killed Axus, on T:36655 18:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law) wished for "blessed marauder's map", on T:36915 18:54 <@riker> thanks for the plain scroll :/ 18:54 antivirus: that's my thinking! althogh monks can ride in vanilla 18:55 nice. i summoned a player monster knight.. hopefully he has BoH 18:55 ahhhhh yes. i'm missing hothraxxa 18:55 goodbye DSM 18:56 cannot hit 18:57 got the boh tho! 18:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law), 527046 points, T:37327, killed by a parrot 18:57 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 18:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 18:58 sweet 18:58 what happened to your DSM 18:58 <@riker> nah he means he's a monk so he's taking it off 18:58 i'm only lvl 21 though. It'll be interesting to see if i can hit monsters/players when i'm lvl 30 18:58 <@riker> since it's nuking his to-hit which is annoying 18:58 ah so he can hit 18:58 yeah 18:58 <@riker> yep 18:58 <@riker> this is why I like dnh's BAB 18:58 hitting regular monsters in the dungeon was no problem 18:58 I’m on level 3 and have 6 tame gargoyles. To whoever finds my bones when I inevitably die, I am so so sorry. 18:58 but i couldn't land a single hit on a powerful character 18:59 but lvl has a lot to do witih it so we'll see 18:59 <@riker> +lvl to-hit for most martial classes, +0.75 lvl for things like arc I believe, +0.5 for bards, wiz, etc. 18:59 <@riker> it's the same as vanilla I think 18:59 <@riker> but I like the changes for using weapons and stuff (monks don't get it when not barehanded) 19:00 i think i've decided i like barehanded (in vanilla and especially evilhack) more than any neutral weapon 19:01 this knight i just killed had +5 cloak of MR sweet 19:01 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 19:03 7 tame gargoyles. 19:05 whaaaaat nice to both of you 19:06 Oh yeah, congrats on your first ascension, AntiVirus!!! 19:06 <@malor> horned devil on DLVL 3! 19:06 hey thanks man! 19:06 <@riker> polymorph malor? 19:06 huh, I can sense all floating eyes....even while not blind. That's just weird. 19:06 <@malor> maybe. I didn't notice the message. 19:10 <@riker> huh, looks like this trap gave me +4 arrows? 42 of them maybe 19:10 <@riker> selling for 16 gold each lol at cha 9 19:11 Status of Kathryn the Nomad (lawful): Level 22 HP 191(191) AC -24. 19:12 it's neat. the player monsters are about the same diffuclty as you, and like now they are kitted out for the mid game 19:13 enchanted gear etc 19:13 crazy, I wonder how you summon them (don't tell me) but that sounds like a fun challenge 19:13 risky/rewarding 19:14 It would be a good replacement to bones files, which are not much of a risk for everything you get from them 19:15 that caveoman was wearing helm of brilliance, black dragon scale, cloak of displacement, magical gloves 19:15 wand of polymorph that she zapped at me! 19:15 oh, I found an early cloak of protection...I wonder if I should wear that instead of my starting cloak of MR 19:15 I bet I will be sorry if I do 19:15 but AC.... 19:15 you get MC from the protection cloak too 19:16 I know. MC3 19:16 Now it makes it a tossup between those two cloaks...which risks would you rather run? 19:17 but MR stops so many game ending things 19:18 blessed +5 gauntlets of power. that'd be killer for a monk on DL 1 19:22 yeah, it does feel like bones only an actual fight 19:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Neu) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:4996 19:23 rebatela: [backscroll] I do select for things besides "YANI". Sometimes these other things catch a legitimately good idea; most of the time just something inane about someone's game. 19:25 Well the minetown guards are all dead now. 19:26 The Uruk-hai hurls a smoky potion! The flagon crashes on the Uruk-hai's head and breaks into shards. The smoky potion evaporates. The Uruk-hai shrieks in pain! The Uruk-hai is killed! 19:26 That’s a rather brutal way to carry out a mutiny. 19:28 he just wanted to give him a djinni 19:29 lol 19:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6662 19:33 Ooh, found Raisse’s ghost. 19:33 “Judge Claude Frollo steps reluctantly over a fedora.” 19:33 There’s some biting commentary in there somewhere. 19:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:50168 19:36 i need to make unholy water still shoot 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] antigulp (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 2789 points, T:4975, killed by a nalfeshnee 19:37 just caught up on backscroll ;) 19:37 mini-me's first soccer practice was a success \o/ 19:37 Well, whoever finds that bones file is going to have to deal with two gargoyles and two nalfeshnee, one of which is invisible. 19:37 K2: Awesome! :D 19:37 football for you euro weirdos 19:38 alex_ there's 3 devteam members in here now, and usually a 4th on a semi regular basis 19:39 um what else... 19:39 conversation - basically anything goes for the most part 19:39 pfft I forgot about lorimer entirely earlier 19:39 i dont like to stifle what people wanna say 19:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 greased premium heart", on T:8251 19:40 i think i've only ever had to kill some crazy convo's a couple times in the last 3 yrs 19:41 aosdict yeah dont forget lorimer :P 19:42 you will always remember the lorimer 19:42 wtf gray fungus. No bueno 19:42 yet another no melee 19:42 Z 19:43 hothraxxa - making tame dragons not drop scales would be easy 19:43 one line 19:43 hey blame that one on rebatela 19:44 <{Demo}> why would that make sense to do? 19:44 <{Demo}> im confused 19:44 because evil 19:44 <{Demo}> wot 19:44 <{Demo}> it just seems arbitrary and random? 19:44 I could see some argument about it being too easy to kill a tame dragon 19:45 it was tame. there should be some penatly for getting it killed 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:23200 19:45 <{Demo}> assuming evil changes nothing from vanilla about this i cant possibly see where the inspiration for changing things is? 19:45 <{Demo}> is it like super easy to get a pet dragon compared to vanilla? 19:46 not really 19:46 or are there just more difficult dragons in evil 19:46 they are definitely more difficult 19:46 they engulf. they have about twice the hp. they have passive attacks 19:46 <{Demo}> ow 19:47 do not melee gray or black dragons 19:47 so taming and then murdering your pet would be an easy way to get scales 19:47 no? 19:47 it would 19:47 hmm, those are very important ones too 19:48 black dragons are a resource. They look tasty to me 19:48 kill them at range unless you like having things disintegrate 19:48 pet was just killed accidentally (no scales :( ) 19:49 "accidentally" 19:49 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 19:49 ah, he was a good fido 19:49 too bad 19:49 if i remember correctly, the odds of scales dropping are 1 in 3 and then 1 in 20 if you revive their corpse and try again 19:49 sounds right 19:49 the 1/20 is right for sure 19:50 alright... dinner then bed. i only got 3 hrs of sleep last night, i need to catch up 19:50 see you all tomorrow 19:51 nite k2. i won't mention that catch-up sleep is a myth 19:51 see ya K2 yeah you were up for my ascension. 3AM 19:51 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:51984 19:51 these jumping spiders lol 19:58 night k2 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:02 man i hate when that first trap in the Votd is magic and not dart 20:02 brb folks 20:02 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 25274 points, T:9826, killed by an imp 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:40531 20:14 -!- vevais has joined #hardfought 20:14 55% disintegration resistant. so i guess i need to eat another black dragon? 20:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1002 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:3741 20:21 not sure how i became invisible. definitely not by choice 20:21 wraiths can't see me 20:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:53513 20:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:40513 20:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 9049 points, T:3090, killed by a flaming sphere 20:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:19755 20:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 359 points, T:905, killed by a jackal 20:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding named cyan shulker box", on T:20984 20:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:979 20:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 934 points, T:1259, killed by a gnome 20:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Minion of Huhetotl, on T:23270 20:56 <@riker> TIL the minion is a summon spammer 20:56 <@riker> or at least when you ward against him he turns into one :/ 20:57 <{Demo}> meany 21:01 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 21:02 <@riker> well he's dead now and that's what matters 21:02 love quotes out of context from here 21:02 <{Demo}> i was fighting daemon and i thought he gated in juib 21:02 <{Demo}> cause he can do that despite being an @ i think 21:03 <{Demo}> but then it was just an erinys 21:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:733 21:03 they can do that 21:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 1753 points, T:801, killed by a freezing sphere 21:11 -!- j has joined #hardfought 21:11 -!- j is now known as Guest36362 21:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 226 points, T:1073, killed by a boulder 21:12 -!- Guest36362 is now known as j__ 21:12 -!- j__ is now known as rebatela 21:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 108 points, T:175, killed by a jackal 21:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 33 points, T:75, killed by a jackal 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 10774 points, T:5966, killed by a gargoyle 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:57044 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:57047 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:57075 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] woodstea23 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ice troll, on T:28592 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:57247 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:57258 21:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2476 21:38 go oh6 ! :) 21:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:30248 21:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30325 21:44 923 PW that's pretty good 21:44 priests were my first love 21:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:57527 21:46 927 PW lol 21:47 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:57667 21:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:57702 21:51 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 potions of unholy water", on T:57718 21:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 8434 points, T:4388, killed by a uranium imp, while praying 21:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 0 points, T:156, killed by a jackal 21:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 0 points, T:81, killed by a jackal 22:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Fem Neu) became the Champion of Camaxtli!, on T:32579 22:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:57777 22:01 oh6 takes purple rain to a new level 22:01 how many batches of worms? 22:01 i lost count watching now 22:01 <@riker> goddamnit 22:02 <@riker> I fucked up the crowning gift code for arcs so now I get vorpal blade instead of the real neutral crowning gift 22:04 that sucks man 22:04 rebatela, I like to do about 3-6 "cans" of worms usually 22:04 !who 22:04 Grassy: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 [nh363] fcloud [nh363] oh6 [nh363] malor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 22:05 yeah watch that game 22:05 i usually do 3 scrolls 22:06 <@riker> ... do none of them work at all 22:06 he's still opening cans 22:06 <@riker> :/ 22:06 err, reading scrolls 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:57812 22:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 3247 points, T:1850, killed by a crocodile 22:07 haha can of worms. i'm a lil slow 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:57826 22:10 oh6 doesn't break the teleport wands 22:10 she does... there are like 100 worms on that level 22:10 u tuned in late 22:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 256 points, T:458, killed by a jackal 22:11 +7 pickaxe lol 22:12 it's just the worms and the riders haha 22:13 famine's heading for the hills! 22:13 Famine is clever 22:14 Grand tour 22:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:57908 22:14 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 22:14 nope 22:14 DOESN'T COUT 22:14 COUNT 22:14 J/K 22:14 maybe not 22:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:30918 22:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:32696 22:14 grats oh6 :) 22:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 1991695 points, T:57909, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1568523425.nh.html 22:15 grats oh6 22:15 thanks Grassy! 22:15 :D 22:16 Magnificently overdone 22:16 I think this is the first or second time I've gotten intrinsic stealth by eating rings 22:16 congrats oh6! 22:16 thanks rebatela, AntiVirus! 22:16 Oh6 did you get magical breathing from eating amulets? 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:30942 22:16 yes 22:16 nice 22:16 why did famine start running like that? camera? i missed that 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:30943 22:17 Did you take the shortcut on plane of water (dive in?) 22:17 yeah cameras work on riders 22:17 yup, swam the plane 22:17 nice one 22:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 545 points, T:823, killed by a bat 22:18 i've always wanted to swallow magical breathing. the other one is protection from shape changer ring seems like it would be convenient and save ring slot 22:18 yes, I go for intrinsic PFSC when I can 22:18 increase damage rings are the bomb 22:19 for eating I mean 22:19 the highest damage bonus I've ascended with is +18, in a tourist extinctionist game 22:19 they're good all around 22:19 nice 22:20 that was one nice thing about it - it was mind-blowingly tedious otherwise 22:20 +18 for tourist with a bunch of highly enchanted darts is super deadly 22:21 high damage bonus with a double-damage artifact dual-wielded with a +9 katana is my favourite 22:21 don't need to bother teleporting to the stairs to kill Orcus :) 22:21 hell yeah 22:21 heh, I rarely do anyway usually have a cockatrice corpse ready for Orcus 22:22 but yeah, Orcus is a wuz 22:22 I just don't like him using up the charges in the wand he hold for me 22:22 I did my usual cockatrice ice polypiling routine before going through gehennom, so I stoned Orcus as well 22:22 er, cockatrice gg 22:22 EGG gah 22:23 lol 22:23 Anyone knows what fonts I need to install for the wiki's sokoban levels to display correctly? 22:23 I like to get an icebox and keep a few ready 22:23 sometimes leave the loaded icebox on upstairs lv1 22:24 then grab a fresh coldie before going up and saying hello to Rodney one more time 22:24 https://i.imgur.com/Uq28DN8.png 22:24 Looks like this. :/ 22:25 what happens to the c eggs when they are in a bag? is there a timer or they are fine? 22:25 ice boxes are great though. I have a few in my vanilla game 22:25 rebatela, they are fine, but won't hatch 22:26 <@riker> vevais: uh what are you running 22:26 vevais, try a true-type font or courier 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:32711 22:26 <@riker> firefox on ubuntu? 22:27 Arch 22:27 Firefox 69 22:27 oh6: how many turns did that extinctionist game take? 22:28 I have a minor problem with the ttymaps on the wiki but not that bad 22:30 hmmm. i usally will polymorph/kill the minetown priest at this stage of the game, but i'm kind of afraid to in EH hah 22:31 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1610 22:34 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 22:35 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:42919 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42921 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:43343 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 566 points, T:2372, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rothe 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:33261 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 251 points, T:1270, killed by a poisonous corpse 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 8 points, T:54, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 22:59 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:00 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 23:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 8338 points, T:5032, killed by a gargoyle 23:07 * oh6 returns with lemon chicken 23:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 16085 points, T:3049, killed by a gnome king 23:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:56002 23:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:56014 23:10 rebatela: 343359 turns 23:13 nice. that doesn't sound too long lol 23:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Vam Mal Non), 432 points, T:371, killed by a kitten 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:34361 23:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Vam Mal Non), 621 points, T:1641, killed by a giant bat 23:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 142 points, T:317, killed by a jackal 23:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Clk Mal Non), 138 points, T:295, caught himself in his own magical blast 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2520 points, T:3272, killed by an ape 23:37 Ha, finally got it to work. Font configuration can be a mess sometimtes. 23:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:56648 23:40 -!- tonehack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Bin Vam Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1497 23:42 it just occured to me that I should wish for Vorpal Sword since I'm 111k turns into this extinctionist attempt and it'd be super stupid for it to spawn in the hands of an astral NPC 23:44 haha yup 23:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1342 points, T:2419, killed by a Woodland-elf 23:44 that's one good thing about getting it as a sac gift 23:46 bouquet: tell that to riker in dnh 23:46 got vorpal blade for crowning when he was supposed to get something much better apparently 23:47 I got decapitated at the astral altar in Un. I know the pain. 23:47 I'm hoping for a gifting of polymorph before I continue sacrificing for artifacts, though. 23:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:36122