00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:01 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:02 goddamn zombie gave me amnesia 00:02 these things are beyond annoying 00:02 that's a grunthack thing? 00:03 ecch! that must've been poisonous! You die... 00:03 oh yeah 7 Int 00:03 wtf 00:03 wearing a helmet with -17AC 00:03 <@riker> have fun with spells 00:04 <@riker> what helm? 00:04 bhaak: lol there was a bigroom populated mainly with weeping angels? 00:04 <@riker> that's terrifying aosdict 00:04 well i dunno becauuse it's unidentified now 00:04 <@riker> oof 00:05 it was even worse when first released and he toned it down (the zombies) 00:05 but it's still just crappy 00:05 i'll restore the int as soon as i learn the spell, and deal with amnesia the way everyone does. But the whole game dealing with these dumb zombies... i don't get it 00:06 like, that's what he liked about grunthack ? lol (sorry k2. the zombies blow) 00:08 are the zombies a grunthack thing? anyone know? never played it 00:08 I too don't get why THIS was one of the crowning glories of grunthack that needed to be copied into evilhack 00:08 yes the amnesia-causing int-draining zombies that appear at ridiculously low levels and reincarnate ad infinitum are in grunthack 00:15 they kill you early game too 00:15 like game over.. you pray and then they scratch you again and the game iis over 00:16 "Run away! Run away!" 00:16 haha what? 00:16 why this message 00:16 <@riker> entering a graveyard during midnight 00:16 <@riker> pretty sure it's 11-12 00:16 or 12-1 00:16 I just walked one step toward the wizard's tower 00:16 <@riker> eh close enough 00:17 <@riker> k2 is probably hosting this on EST (or CST?) so there you go 00:17 ah oh 00:17 entering a graveyard message got it 00:17 ty 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30868 00:23 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:30888 00:28 riker: luckily monks use WIS for spellcasting (although I'll obviously have to bless spellbooks for a while because it still uses INT to read them) 00:29 it's not the end of the world 00:29 <@riker> oh that's very helpful isn't it 00:29 <@riker> lol 00:29 <@riker> restore ability doesn't work? 00:29 <@riker> gotta use that special spell :p 00:29 it does 00:29 <@riker> go get yourself crowned lol 00:29 just don't have the spell or potions id'd yet 00:29 <@riker> useless prayer timeouts ftw 00:29 it'll all work out 00:30 i found an altar/converted, got my wish. i'm goo d 00:30 Mr/reflection. wand of poly and some unihorns. if i can get a marker i'll be REALLY good 00:31 i feel bad he's gonna read the scroll back and it's like i'm talking smack lol. You're great k2! the games great! just hate the f'ing zombies lol 00:32 i supposed that's the point 00:33 <@riker> are you weaponless? saw a dragonbane wish so it doesn't seem like it 00:33 dragonbane is not a weapon in evilhack!! haha 00:33 it's waayyyyy better 00:33 <@riker> oh, what is it? 00:33 it's artifact dragonhide gloves 00:33 <@riker> oh I see 00:33 <@riker> (wiki) 00:33 that grant reflection and acid resistance 00:33 <@riker> yeah those seem hella good for a monk neato 00:34 <@riker> stock gloves? 00:34 dragonhide 00:34 crazy AC 00:34 like 10 or something 00:34 <@riker> yeah but not GoP or GoD or anything 00:34 <@riker> oh jeez 00:34 no. but they grant reflection 00:34 so it saves a slot 00:34 <@riker> yeah that's still hella good 00:35 getting reflection/mr is kind of tricky for monks because no gdsm 00:35 or sdsm 00:35 until much later if you choose 00:35 can't hit 00:35 (sorry if you know this) 00:35 <@riker> neat, so it's a seriously good wish idea for monks 00:35 yeah 00:35 <@riker> eh I play mostly dnh where reflection is optional 00:35 <@riker> for monks at least 00:36 i always choose MR over reflection 00:36 <@riker> avoid the black dragons if you can, but at lvl 30 you'll have every intrinsic except for reflection & flying 00:36 right 00:36 <@riker> inc. MR, stone, sickness, drain, etc., also including waterwalking 00:36 i played dnethack last week. definitely going to check it out more 00:36 <@riker> I've made it a good bit into hell without realizing I didn't have it lol 00:36 AS WELL AS xnh 00:36 <@riker> !lastgame rikersan 00:36 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1568600178.dnh.txt 00:36 <@riker> yeah xnh seems dope 00:36 playing all these variants now 00:37 I'm FREE 00:37 of my vanilla chains 00:38 <@riker> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1507913717.dnh.txt 00:38 <@riker> ^ reflection may not have been a bad idea (demo's gaze ignores drain res either 2/3 or 1/3 of the time, idr) 00:38 i knew once i finally started playing variants it would be off to the races 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 185 points, T:376, killed by a hobbit 00:39 i was sort of prolonging it as long as i could 00:39 <@riker> how's evilhack work for intrinsic resistances? 00:39 <@riker> I see "100%" resistant for some stuff in some dumplogs 00:39 well the ones you get from corpses wear off 00:39 <@riker> I'm assuming it times out slowly and decreases? is it percent chance to avoid damage? 00:39 <@riker> yeah dnh they do too, but it's just a discrete "ok bud you're done now" 00:39 but like monks get them permanently with experience like vanilla i believe 00:40 <@riker> looks like crowning too 00:40 yeah most likely 00:40 <@riker> I see shivan's topscoring asc has that, in addition to being hte glory of arioch 00:41 i don't fully understand how resistances work, nor reflection. reflection isn't full reflection either i guess? 00:41 <@riker> oh, is that how evilhack does it? 00:42 it will say "you're gloves partially absolve the bla bla " or something 00:42 <@riker> for dragons or for everything 00:42 really not sure 00:42 <@riker> I know dnh divides it into dragonbreath and non-dragonbreath (disint breath counts as non-dragonbreath cuz would be not fun) 00:42 i think for everything 00:42 dragons are buffed for sure 00:42 they engulf you 00:42 and do more damage in general 00:42 <@riker> things like shields of reflection block most stuff, but only DSM, dragon scale shields, dragon scales block dragonbreath (in addition to artifact reflection) 00:42 <@riker> oh neat 00:42 <@riker> I like dragons 00:43 it's kind of fun playing no spoilers (only because none exist) but i bug hothraxxa and k2 all the time for major stuff 00:43 <@riker> fair enough 00:43 resistances don't time out in evilhack. They use the sporkhack system where eating a corpse only gives you partial resistance, so you have to eat multiple corpses to get full resistance. 00:43 <@riker> oh neat 00:43 i keep makng it to medusa and dying (not from her) 00:43 but the partial resistance is guaranteed. 00:44 yeah that's right. ok. so it says like you feel a bit warmer 00:44 <@riker> is there a message when you hit 100%? 00:44 that's good to know they don't time out though. thanks tangles 00:44 <@riker> and I'm assuming it's resistance% chance to not get injured? 00:44 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:46 I think it's damage reduction, but not 100% sure. 00:46 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 00:47 so it seems like amnesia erased my notes too?? 00:47 lol 00:47 that's pretty cool actually ( and evil) 00:51 ok so i'm 5% fire resistant and 27% cold resistant. So, that will just build as I eat corpses and not go down? 00:51 Pretty sure monks get fire and cold at the next to levels anyway 00:57 how the heck do you get out of the wizard of yendor's tower? 00:57 I have the book 00:58 <@riker> going back down? 00:58 it looks like nothing but stairs up, and undiggable walls 00:58 well to get into here was a teleport 00:58 <@riker> is it under something? 00:58 <@riker> yeah, there should be a portal out 00:58 ok 00:58 <@riker> same spot you entered from 00:58 <@riker> something may have died on top of it 00:58 ah 00:58 k ty 01:00 if you have teleport control and a cursed scroll of teleport just teleport to the bottom 01:00 you can put 99 01:01 last time you'll be able to do it because you're gonna have the amulet and then it won't work 01:02 oh ok it was in the darkness 01:02 the portal 01:02 yeah good point rebatela 01:02 did u kill rodney? 01:03 da wizard 01:04 oh shit. this fire elemental in soko is going to kill me 01:04 <@riker> tele wands? 01:04 <@riker> for it not you 01:04 no teleport wands 01:04 F 01:04 stupid stupid stupid 01:05 i'm grand master i might kill him with this hit 01:05 what kind of damage does the eye do to branch port with MR 01:05 i know it's like 4d10 withOUT mr 01:05 i have 22hp 01:05 i will eye out of here if i will live 01:05 i don't think he'll follow 01:06 SON of a 01:06 2d4 01:06 i should be good 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:31625 01:07 i thought you had killed the wizard and were tryingt o go to the vibrating square when you asked how to get out of there 01:07 I did kill the wizard 01:07 oh 01:07 but I need to backtrack for Vlads 01:07 i see 01:07 because I'm new to the late game 01:07 it's cool 01:08 doesn't really matter what order you do it 01:08 it's just that you never really "kill " the wizard 01:08 well, it would have been better not to kill the wizard 01:08 yeah 01:08 I tried to teleport him out of the way, but some hellhound shot us both with a ray of fire, and woke him up 01:09 *out of the way of the book 01:09 so I have a little more time hanging out with rodney to do 01:09 is this fire elemntal going to follow me? anyone know? trying to decide wether to go to the catacombs with that creepy eye thing i don't know about or bottom of dungeon that i don't remember the situation 01:09 when you go up and down stairs? 01:09 no i'm going to invoke eye of atehiopica 01:09 ah 01:09 some things come with ya when they are next to you 01:09 it does take monsters with you 01:09 not all 01:09 oh interesting 01:10 yeah 01:10 like nurses don't go with you 01:10 (unfortunately) 01:10 but wraiths do! 01:10 that is nice 01:10 nice trick for the valley of the dead 01:10 and Master Kaen sure as hell does and Demogorgoon sure as hell does (found out hard way) 01:10 yeah it's a great trick for valley of dead ;) 01:10 not sure about this guy though 01:11 oh i can use stethoscope without him getting a turn right? 01:11 see if it's almost dead? 01:12 46/76. i gotta bail i think 01:12 nice didn't follow 01:12 wher 01:12 whew 01:15 oh cool 01:15 Nice, you made it 01:15 I wonder what determines if they can go along 01:25 well, i know undead always goes 01:25 wraiths and vampires and ghosts and such 01:25 and the really bad guys definitely follow 01:25 not sure about anything else 01:25 pets do obviously 01:26 but i wouldn't have been suprised if the fire elemental had come with me because it's evil hack and killed me lol 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31840 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31842 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:31910 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:32185 01:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:42 muuuuch better. learned magic missle, identify, repair armor, restore ability, remove curse 01:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:15120 01:46 now that I did the ritual 01:46 can I chuck the bell, book and candelabrum? 01:46 or do I need to keep them anymore 01:52 bell and book you can ditch 01:52 snuff the candles on the candelabruam 01:52 (apply it again) 01:52 some people use it on astral for light 01:52 especially if you want to jump 01:52 but you don't need any of them 01:53 i always drop the bell and book just cuz they're heavy and u don't need em 01:53 unless you're playing for points 01:56 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master lich), on T:34573 01:58 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 01:58 do u have secret door detction wand or detect unseen spell? it'll show the door 02:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:34947 02:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:32806 02:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:32810 02:06 aaaaah Finally...long have I sought this amulet 02:06 ok, time to go to sleep 02:07 congats! 02:07 gonna do the same 02:07 i thouht i was gonna have to watch you do the whole run lol 02:07 that's your first time getting the amulet? 02:07 thank you! 02:07 that's freaking awesome !!! 02:08 yeah this is my first time 02:08 I'm pretty stoked 02:08 HELL YA 02:08 <@ShivanHunter> ooh nice! 02:08 nice 02:08 <@ShivanHunter> beware the Planes! 02:08 and I've learned I make fewer mistakes when well rested 02:08 so, I think I'll head to bed 02:08 yeah. totally take a break. 02:08 thanks guys 02:08 well done 02:08 ty ty 02:08 <@ShivanHunter> the endgame is absolutely the most fun, tense part of nethack 02:09 lol. i'm so happy/excited for you 02:09 <@ShivanHunter> I remember my first time getting the amulet... stares wistfully into the middle distance I died on Air lol 02:09 haha 02:10 Yeah I'm pretty pumped 02:10 I could still die at any time 02:10 but yeah I've been playing here and there since like 1999 02:10 and about a month ago, I decided ok I'm going to ascend 02:10 and learn whatever I need to to do that 02:11 and actually, something clicked and I was able to start building very powerful characters. Learning how to find early wishes probably changed my game the most, and also I never used to price ID. I had no patience for it 02:11 so yeah I just decided to learn all the boring stuff 02:12 <@ShivanHunter> yeah price ID can be big 02:12 <@ShivanHunter> congrats on your progress! You're almost there :D 02:15 price iD is when you start figuring out nethack 02:16 i used to start scum priests to start with identify spell.. you never learn though doing that 02:16 <@ShivanHunter> hah. Same but with wizards 02:17 it's convenient to have once you know the game especially for polypiling etc. 02:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:36267 02:17 but once you learn aout price id and dipping unihorns into potions etc. that's when you're actually figuring it out 02:17 man. that just made me so happy lol 02:18 <@ShivanHunter> starting with +ID actually got me killed a ton of times... I would spend tons of turns and Pw trying in vain to ID every scroll and potion, and be out of power when I really needed it 02:18 yeah exactly before you train divination or whatever 02:18 <@ShivanHunter> nowadays I love the feeling when I get +ID and the Eye, return to my stash and just go to town IDing everything 02:19 haha exactly 02:19 that's what i literally just did in evil 02:19 i have eye and dragonbane, magic missile, identify. playing monk tho not wiz 02:19 <@ShivanHunter> ooh nice. Dragonbane is great in evilhack 02:20 yeah it is ! 02:20 <@ShivanHunter> reflection that doesn't take the amulet or armor slot? Hell yes 02:20 exactly 02:20 especially for monks because u don't get the body armor slot for one of those 02:21 dude you gotta help me if with evil hack questions haha. ur on discord? 02:21 <@ShivanHunter> yep 02:22 not many people play. i 'm trying to join your little ascension club 02:22 game is super fun 02:22 <@ShivanHunter> ...not at all sure how PMing would work between discord and irc 02:22 <@ShivanHunter> yeah the Planes are great in evilhack 02:23 <@ShivanHunter> I'll never forget the first time I died to an evilhack gelatinous cube. Those things are NASTY 02:23 yeah i've lost some really strong characters. but i've only been playing for a week or so 02:24 so just avoid the cubes? 02:24 <@ShivanHunter> yeah I generally do 02:24 <@ShivanHunter> wands of digging still work 02:24 i got stoned on medusa last night not by her but beholder 02:24 was so pissed 02:24 <@ShivanHunter> spells from a distance work as long as you have one they don't resist - MM, for instance 02:24 <@ShivanHunter> heh 02:24 <@ShivanHunter> beholders are awesome 02:25 k2 was like why didn't u use your towel ??? Cuz i'm an idiot.. i don't know 02:25 so mad 02:25 <@ShivanHunter> lol 02:25 but i'm back at it today 02:25 <@ShivanHunter> Step 1: die Step 2: die Step 3..n-1: die Step n: don't die 02:25 haha 02:26 hey have a good night man 02:26 <@ShivanHunter> cya! 02:37 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37647 02:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "+3 blessed greased fixed gray dragon scale mail", on T:26348 03:04 how does EvilHack's Dragonbane differ from vanilla Dragonbane (since 361) 03:13 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31 -!- attie has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 03:53 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:14 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 05:05 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:08 <@Ogomt> paxed: vanilla Dragonbane is a broadsword that gives +1d5 to hit, reflection, and double damage to dragons; EH Dragonbane is a pair of dragonhide gloves (fooproof, 8 AC) that gives acid resistance, reflection, and warning vs. dragons 05:08 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 05:09 <@Ogomt> big change 05:19 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:19 oh, i was confused by this: <@ShivanHunter> reflection that doesn't take the amulet or armor slot? Hell yes 05:25 <@Ogomt> it's worth a wish :) 05:34 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 05:41 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:42 -!- ahrkl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:00 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:15 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:15 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4072 06:30 Doesn't vanilla Dragonbane also warn of dragons? 06:30 or was that UnNetHack? 06:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:33 i think it does 06:33 it also gives reflection when wielded 06:34 Mm 06:34 but yeah it EH it is awesome 06:34 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:23 I think evilhack dragonbane also causes passive attacks? or is that evilhack DSM 07:25 evilhack seems to be firmly in the camp of "we recognize that DSM is the optimal armor, so we're just going to try to make the non-gray and non-silver colors more interesting" 07:30 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:43 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:46 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 07:46 -!- kimeemaru has quit [Changing host] 07:46 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 07:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 875 points, T:1351, killed by a straw golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze 07:58 object property YANI: "homing"; generates only on ammunition and has a guaranteed hit 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:05 morning 08:07 * K2 starts catching up on backscroll 08:30 aosdict: can this ammunition also be fired above boulders like magic missile? 08:35 aosdict regarding DSM yeah pretty much. I liked lorimer's approarch in sporkhack, so I emulated it and then modified it 08:35 alex_: flying objects ignore boulders anyway so that shouldn't affect anything 08:35 aosdict: how about iron bars? 08:36 iron bars can block objects, but I think I had a plan to reduce the chance of that for ammo 08:37 YANI: the closer the shooter of ammo is to iron bars, the less likely it is to hit the bars and drop. Down to 0% chance if you're right next to the bars. 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18997 08:38 zombies are getting a change again for 0.4 (evilhack) 08:38 how much of one remains to be seen 08:41 yeah i was whining lol sorry 08:42 i like how other monsters, guards as such, will fight them though 08:46 the living don't want to be turned into zombies, that's why 08:48 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 08:52 YANI: Cursed wands have a slightly reduced beam/ray range and blessed wands have a slightly increased range. 08:53 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 08:55 i like aosdict's suggestion for zombies, will prob test that out soon 08:55 plus its a very simple tweak 08:59 it's only simple due to the devteam finally scrapping the monstr formula :) 08:59 whatever works ;) 09:02 aosdict: I'm happy that monstr change got in 09:02 I wasn't the only dev advocating for it but I was one of those devs 09:02 the formula-based mechanism often produced the wrong numbers anyway, setting monstr by hand is likely to produce better gameplay 09:02 ais523 i dont think anyone is complaining about that change 09:02 i was glad to see it 09:03 ais523: It often produced the wrong numbers, but to my knowledge those numbers are still currently the same, since when permonst.difficulty was created they just took the existing values 09:04 yes, actually changing them, especially in the middle of the 3.6 series, would have been even more politically difficult 09:05 pushing through some changes might be interesting; I think they'd go through if justified well enough, but you'd be forced to justify them 09:06 seems like actually changing ANYTHING is too politically difficult (unless patr ties new behavior into a bugfix) 09:06 /* changes to this value must be thoroughly playtested */ 09:07 (inventory weight interaction with fumbling, if you were wondering; this basically never comes up because players generally have inventory weight just below burdened and rarely get fumbling) 09:08 YANI: Break the fumbling trinsic into two, fumbling (hand-related only) and stumbling (foot-related only). Gloves confer fumbling, boots stumbling. 09:09 K2: does charisma play any role in evilhack? 09:09 yes 09:09 after all, why would cursed gloves make you trip down the stairs 09:09 its tied in with conflict 09:09 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 09:09 aosdict: slip on the handrail 09:09 alex_ your charisma score directly affects how well a ring of conflict will work 09:10 i always felt charisma was way underused in vanilla 09:10 CHA of 10 means 50% chance of success for any given monster to be affected 09:10 itd be interesting to be able to play a role centered around it 09:10 using instruments or whatever 09:10 every point increase adjusts by 5% 09:10 *every point change 09:10 #chatting to humanoids to pacify them 09:11 are you guys talking about the way the difficulty used to be calculated at compile time and now it's in a file ? That formula used is pretty rad! I was reading that the other day 09:11 alex_: once we iron out the kinks in the bard patch... 09:12 aosdict: what are the kinks? 09:13 such as how exactly songs are supposed to work being more than just musical spells but less than a whole giant new system 09:13 rebatela: it was a pretty awful formula (especially since if you figured the formula produced the wrong result for monster X, you now either need to put in a special case for X or change X itself to fit better) 09:14 that happened in fact with leprechauns 09:15 aosdict: are songs basically like spells? 09:15 i havent played the bard patch so i dont know. mostly i just play vanilla 09:16 there are a couple different implementations existing already 09:16 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:16 slash'em + dnethack being the major ones 09:17 the way songs work there is that they don't exist as songs; you instead use a "musicalize spell" skill to cast the spell with music 09:17 hmmm 09:17 but isnt that basically just a wizard 09:17 so the effects are identical to the spells and IMO makes the bard just a rather worse primary spellcaster 09:18 oh, and the selection of spells that can be musicalized is rather limited 09:19 id think more along the line of a pacifist role that can use a base instrument as if it was the magical one, every now and then 09:20 my idea for bards was to give them 3 player-monster pets at the start of the game, and their gameplay focuses on letting them do the fighting while you buff them and debuff enemies 09:20 will require some pet enhancements and some AI enhancements 09:20 hmmm 09:21 or will it 09:21 it could work out of the box 09:21 there has to be some challenge to the role so having to herd them around would be part of it 09:22 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 09:28 <+ais523> ...this basically never comes up because players generally have inventory weight just below burdened and rarely get fumbling 09:29 are players really that intimidated by burdening? i'm burdened a lot and i seem to do okay 09:29 it's a status i really don't care about most of the time 09:30 hothraxxa you're in a minority on that one 09:30