00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:01 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 00:01 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 00:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 00:33 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 222158 points, T:28414, petrified by a beholder 00:48 -!- K2 has quit [*.net *.split] 00:48 -!- sodastab has quit [*.net *.split] 00:48 -!- NCommander has quit [*.net *.split] 00:49 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 00:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 00:49 -!- sodastab has joined #hardfought 00:50 keep dying on medusa ffs. i don't like these beholders at all 00:50 :/ 00:51 !lastgame evil 00:51 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1568388125.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/evilhack/dumplog/1568479430.evil.html | [hdf-au] (sorry, no dump exists for evil:ogmobot) 00:53 rebatela why didnt you put on the towel? 00:53 cuz i'm a moron 00:54 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 00:54 :( 01:00 i'm learning... at least i'm getting that far 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1374 points, T:1350, killed by a gnome lord, while praying 01:01 hey how come some people's stuff doesn't get announced when they die ? 01:01 there's a way to toggle that? 01:01 i'm not embarassed or anything. just feel like it's spammy sometimes. (and more curious than anything) 01:02 i know there's people who die and it doesn't say it? 01:03 oh and what's a 'magic beam' trap ? i couldn't find anything online 01:04 i think there's a setting for how many turns you must have survived before death messages are posted 01:04 let me check 01:05 its !setmintc 01:05 example 01:05 thanks 01:05 !setmintc 1000 01:05 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 set to 1000 01:05 or 01:05 works in /msg, i assume? 01:06 perhaps? i havent tried 01:06 !setmintc 01:06 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 removed. 01:06 it does 01:06 !setmintc 200 01:06 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 set to 200 01:06 nice 01:08 tx 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Chansu (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:73739 01:18 <{Demo}> wow it's late 01:18 !setmintc 5000 01:19 rebatela: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for rebatela set to 5000 01:19 ;) 01:26 evil patch idea: You have to wear the amulet of yendor to enter the planes. The imitation amulets are actually amulets of strangulation that become cursed when you wear them 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Chansu (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:74260 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Chansu (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:74813 01:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:41 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:08 bap bap bap whiff whiff bap whiff bap whiff bap bap bap bap bap bap bap bap bap whiff bam 02:08 15 punches to take down this rust monster 02:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5640 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism by offering an iron piercer corpse on an altar of Ptah, on T:6382 02:43 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:12438 03:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12447 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death, on T:20936 03:25 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 03:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:15657 03:44 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an ettin, on T:15743 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:07 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:9884 04:22 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:45 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 04:48 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 05:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14747 05:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:16004 05:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Ptah, on T:16091 05:40 -!- ahrkl is now known as joes 05:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2075 05:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:02 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:07 so wands of wishing spawn randomly but magic markers do not... how would one even know to wish for a marker (unspoiled) since the characters who can start with them (wizard, monk) no longer start with them and you will never find one ? 06:07 huh 06:08 which variant are you talking about 06:08 oh evilhack? 06:08 ahh sorry. evil hack. just talking to myself 06:08 or apprently not lol 06:08 morning stenno :) 06:08 salut 06:08 Hello stenno2, Welcome to #hardfought 06:08 or afternoon or whatever 06:09 [hdf-us] [un] buccaneer (Con Hum Mal Cha), 135 points, T:548, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 06:09 morning (UGT) 06:09 nice 06:09 where are you again ? (Im in boston) 06:09 germany 06:10 awesome 06:10 wait isn't it the middle of the night in the US right now? 06:10 6am east coast 06:11 rebatela to answer your question - if unspoiled, you learn by doing/playing. like a normal person 06:11 or source dive 06:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4204 06:15 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 06:17 if the only way to get a marker is wishing, you would never see one/know about them 06:18 aosdict: git commit hash or it didn't happen :-p 06:18 although now that i think of it, maybe it is a soko prize. never gotten one other than wishing 06:19 i always play monk and in vanilla it's a 1/5 chance of starting with a marker, which makes up for the no body armor thing 06:19 AC hasn't been a problem for me in evilhack though. Just thinking 06:19 you can get the marker from sokoban 06:20 50/50 chance it or BoH 06:20 right. yeah i thought so 06:20 that's cool 06:20 "like a normal person" lol 06:20 :) 06:22 should have just gotten rid of wishing, not make items not exist randomly IMO. But i guess i'm free to make my own variant 06:22 i like the hope of finding a marker... they're not especially common in vanilla 06:23 YASI: have a class of items that don't generate randomly ... and you can wish just for those items 06:23 so wishing only for items that don't get generated randomly in the game 06:24 and you'd only learn about them from source diving/spoilers/word of mouth? That's what i was getting at until i rememberd soko 06:24 how do you know to wish for them 06:25 -!- ahrkl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:21786 06:52 k2: can monsters death drop markers? 06:52 no 07:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:22644 07:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:21 aosdict: haha. from 3e3eeae1c Wed Mar 4 12:15:48 2009 to 4ab006310 Fri Apr 24 10:22:39 2009. I don't remember that at all. that was before the first release, though. likely I just did it to get upset reactions 07:25 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 07:57 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:58 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:03 bhaak: mission accomplished 08:05 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 08:06 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 08:07 a - the blessed rustproof -1 Excalibur (weapon in hand) 08:08 weird, it was cursed when I dipped it so it might've been negatively enchanted, but I thought the conversion fixed that up 08:08 K2: 10 years later ... :) 08:08 -!- Muad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 \o/ 08:08 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 08:11 I wouldn't call my reaction upset, since that was one of the changes that made me go "ok there's no way this thing still exists" and went to check 08:12 the carnage in the dev channel... omg 08:12 :P 08:13 damn, what happened? 08:14 i'm joking 08:14 and i'm too tired to be witty 08:14 been up all night 08:15 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/774b076b935f8c2b4636bc92b089ad97fb6d038c 08:15 and https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/26e69e99c6da30afb179f7de9b17e4c944a01e01 08:16 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 881 points, T:825, killed by a giant bat 08:16 that's a lot of code 08:17 been a busy bee 08:17 I've always had the impression that object properties would make objects more exchangable 08:18 depends on the implementation i suppose 08:18 my goal for obj prop in evilhack is to make it pretty rare 08:19 plus i left out a lot of properties found in other variants 08:25 just remember that "pretty rare" gets pretty relative when stacked up against, say, all the gear in Ludios 08:29 in some variants, object properties add to identification boredom 08:30 'more rare than other variants' would prob be a better thing to say 08:30 by how much is still TBD 08:30 because often the only way to find the objects with properties is to try them all on 08:30 unless you're a wizard 08:31 exactly, so non-wizards are encouraged to do the boring thing 08:31 or have a scroll of magic detection 08:32 jilies: which variant dont add to id boredom that have obj properties? 08:32 *variants 08:33 K2: whichever one just shows it as "magical" to all characters, not wizards. FIQHack maybe? 08:33 right now they'll show as 'magical' to wizards or anyone reading a scroll of magic detection 08:34 not 100% up to speed on what all FIQ did with obj properties 08:35 IIRC all players in FIQHack just see propertied items as "magical" when unidentified. So you will still need to try out or ?oID for the actual property, but you can easily sort out which are and aren't magical 08:35 And I believe that the magic-sense does not extend to object types that are magical (eg speed boots) 08:37 I think it's fine to have to try out or identify the items that have some property 08:37 seems to in what i have so far 08:37 [hdf-us] [un] buccaneer (Con Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver saber", on T:1450 08:37 since there won't be that many, and you will always find some property 08:37 yeah 08:38 what i want to try and steer clear of, is what happens in grunthack. artifact weapons are basically unecessary 08:38 and other than a couple of exceptions, the asc armor list is basically the same for almost every role 08:39 if a weapon object property increases damage, it is very likely to get to artifact power level 08:40 some weapons are already at (some) artifacts' power level even at +0 and mundane ;) 08:41 i'm on the fence about having 'thirsty' weapons 08:41 a thirsty long sword is basically better than Stormbringer 08:42 yeah 08:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:42 since it doesn't have that "attack peacefuls" thing 08:42 and no way am i allowing ammunition to be life draining 08:42 and you don't want to go dnethack on it and buff up Stormbringer even MORE 08:42 hahah no 08:42 Stormbringer is already very good as it is 08:43 yeah this will take some thought and feedback from any of you that want to chime in 08:43 BUt at least i have a working build now 08:43 that was the hard part, rest should be (relatively) more simple 08:43 YANI: Turn Stormbringer's interface-screw peaceful attacking mechanic into one that just occasionally makes you fight adjacent peacefuls while wielding it 08:44 that is, you move next to a peaceful - stormbringer takes your next turn by itself by forcing you to attack the peaceful 08:45 hell just turn it into Mordenkainen’s sword 08:48 that would be a cool YANI 08:48 new spell 08:48 summons a magical sword that fights by itself foir you for n amount of turns 08:48 dnh has dancing blades 08:49 of course 08:49 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:53 oh, so bhaak is the one responsible for that "the internet is made for cat pix" section of bogusmon.txt 08:54 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had runed broadsword named Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:4529 08:56 whaaaat 08:57 oh wait 08:57 Stormy 08:57 I found Raisse's priestess bones 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2640 points, T:4698, killed by Mr. Asidonhopo, the shopkeeper 08:57 Ouch 08:58 don't do stormy, kids. 08:58 K2: that bestowal message is still wrong 08:58 "had runed broadsword" 08:59 a 3.4.3 08:59 easy fix 08:59 i didnt remember that 343 build suffered from the same livelog issues grunthack and sporkhack had 09:00 cant have that... guess i'll need to shut 343 down then 09:00 09:00 ah dammit amy isnt here 09:05 here's another piece of unnethack trivia: for a while before its first release, using a helm of opposite alignment to turn to something else and offering the amulet on the new alignment's altar would irreversibly give you celestial disgrace 09:07 even if it's not a high altar? 09:08 no, the high altar 09:09 I assume a regular altar would just give you the need to return to the surface 09:09 Doesn't that end the game? 09:09 yep 09:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:10 "gotcha! here in unnethack, it's the correct high altar or bust! enjoy having an escape when you thought you were going to win!" 09:11 ah 09:15 <{Demo}> stormy in dnh is whack 09:15 <{Demo}> it has been through some confusing changes in the last couple years and I have no idea if it sucks or not 09:15 hey LarienTelrunya 09:16 hi K2! I've read the backscroll :D 09:16 \o/ 09:16 something about an unfixable livelog bug in 3.4.3? 09:16 livelog isnt part of any official version :P 09:16 and i said easy fix heh 09:17 really??? I'd have expected it to be in 3.6 by default, just like status- and menucolors 09:17 livelog only caters to online public servers 09:17 lots of ppl still play on their own machine offline 09:17 <{Demo}> whose idea was swap chest? 09:18 heh, I'm not sure if I compiled livelog out of my local slex build ;) 09:18 {Demo} um 09:18 was probably a collective team thing 09:19 i dont remember who came up with the initial idea 09:20 <{Demo}> I'm just glad it happened cause it's probably the most interesting multiplayer nethack thing since deucehack 09:20 :) 09:20 Tangles did the actual coding so if you'd want to thank anyone it'd be him 09:22 TNNT in 45 days 09:22 46 09:23 whatever, close enough 09:24 10 bucks says 3.7 comes out days before TNNT kicks off this year 09:26 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 09:34 <{Demo}> man, I have an ant problem 09:36 go team ant 09:37 <{Demo}> given a known location and ability to expose an entire nest rapidly, what's the best assault to make sure none of the Queens survive and the colony is destroyed? 09:37 flamethrower 09:37 <{Demo}> not good indoors 09:38 small flamethrower 09:38 <{Demo}> flame bad 09:38 <{Demo}> I'm thinking of chemical warfare maybe 09:38 you'll have to nuke it from orbit... only way to be sure 09:39 ok on a serious note 09:39 get a few of those ant bait traps 09:39 <{Demo}> I have easy access to the nest 09:39 <{Demo}> literally can lift a thing up and start hitting them with stuff 09:39 so you could douse the nest with chemicals... but then all that shit is in your house too 09:39 * K2 doesnt like chemicals 09:40 <{Demo}> I think I wanna just start raining something toxic to them on them and then starting slapping them 09:40 <{Demo}> supposedly isopropyl alcohol is bad for them 09:40 i keep wanting to say 'flamethrower' 09:40 <{Demo}> it would work 09:40 {Demo}: mix powdered sugar and borax. scatter where the ants will find it. 09:40 what kind of ants? 09:40 <{Demo}> but at too great a cost 09:40 <{Demo}> little black ones 09:41 (assuming these are sugar ants, not carpenter ants) 09:41 all black or do they have some red 09:41 <{Demo}> all black 09:41 carpenter ants are big 09:41 <{Demo}> I just need to lift their cover and assassinate their queens 09:41 if these are small, prob not of the wood chewing variety 09:41 do they sting? 09:41 <{Demo}> no these are the tiny little bitch guys 09:41 size of a pencil tip or size of a pencil eraser? 09:42 ah ok 09:42 <{Demo}> tip, not carpenter 09:42 sugar ants then 09:42 <{Demo}> if they were carpenter I'd build a flamethrower 09:42 borax then 09:42 <{Demo}> I have full frontal assault capabilities 09:42 dig it up and make an ant farm 09:43 <{Demo}> they are under a towel under an AC window unit that dropped in the summer but then it stopped and the towel was thought to be dry but apparently the floor under it was still slightly moist 09:44 honestly... set out bait traps. they'll forge, take the bait back to the next, within a week or so the whole nest is dead. no fuss 09:44 s/next/nest 09:44 they'll forge the mighty weapon Playerbane 09:44 <{Demo}> don't wanna wait that long they were in my pants this morning 09:45 ants in your pants 09:45 <{Demo}> and I wasn't happy about it 09:45 well then... original plan. burn your house down 09:45 <{Demo}> wonder how ants like vaccuum cleaners 09:45 hahah 09:46 find another ant nest of a different type of ant, dig it up and dump it on this nest 09:46 sit back and enjoy the show 09:46 <{Demo}> no more ants 09:47 <{Demo}> the problem with me holocausting the nest is that there will be a lot of survivors and where will they go? 09:47 https://m.wikihow.com/Kill-Ants-without-Pesticides 09:49 <{Demo}> the problem is these all assume you don't have the ability to do a full frontal attack 09:49 {Demo}: use superpoisonous gas :P 09:49 when we had an ant problem in roommate's house, we first sprayed poison gas into the orifice, then sealed it with super glue; after that, no more ants 09:49 pee on it 09:50 <{Demo}> ants probably would like that 09:52 <{Demo}> I need a way to non physically attack a lot of ants at once 09:52 -!- ahrkl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:52 polymorph into Medusa 09:52 psionics 09:52 bonus, you can sell the mini ant statues 09:52 <{Demo}> heat would work 09:52 <{Demo}> I'd get mostly rocks 09:53 you ever seen those natl geographic shows where the scientists pour molten aluminum down the ant nest entrance 09:53 <{Demo}> I'm thinking vacuum cleaner rapture would work but then the vacuum might need burninating and it's not worth it 09:53 perfect mold of the entire nest 09:53 <{Demo}> I want a heatgun 09:53 kills any ants still in it 09:54 {Demo} you'd want to use a shop vac, not a regular vaccum cleaner 09:54 K2: that's because you can pour molten aluminum into a pile of sand without the sand igniting. wood... not so much 09:54 but we dont care about demo's house. we just want revenge for all those soldier ant deaths 09:55 <{Demo}> I could pour boiling water on top of the tower and let it soak through but don't think that would work well 09:55 * K2 wants to say flamethrower again 09:55 <{Demo}> essentially trying to boil the nes 09:55 no that wouldnt 09:55 * LarienTelrunya still wants to say poison gas :D 09:55 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 09:56 <{Demo}> I'm thinking isopropyl alcohol is my only option, guess I'll test it in some of them 09:56 aosdict: I remember that. the correct solution would of course be that you have to visit all three altars and the altar's alignment are only determined when you enter the temple ;-) 09:56 <{Demo}> could make a moat around the nest with it if it is effective 09:57 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 09:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xvsxarw-J0 09:58 ^ SFW 10:00 <{Demo}> ok so when you hit some ants with isopropyl they kinda get fucked 10:00 heh 10:00 <{Demo}> and other ants avoid the pool of death 10:00 light it 10:00 <{Demo}> don't think that would work 10:01 but you cant know for sur euntil you try it 10:01 <{Demo}> don't want it to work 10:01 DO IT 10:01 :P 10:02 <{Demo}> I'm thinking I make a moat around the nest of isopropyl before I attack them 10:02 <{Demo}> so that I have until it starts evaporating to kill them all 10:02 <{Demo}> might need to guy buy some more isopropyl alcohol idk 10:03 <{Demo}> not sure how much volume is needed 10:12 <{Demo}> ant ai is super cool 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:18080 10:22 <{Demo}> ants genocided 10:27 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 10:29 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 10:53 but it was an unnethack-style uncursed genocide 10:54 !tell jonadab you suggested the mojibake trap, remember? well here's what it does with my implementation: https://abload.de/img/reallymojibaketzkyl.png ;) (most of those things aren't really there, but the trap makes it look like they were) 10:54 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class N, on T:21182 10:55 does it exist in slex or only in BIGslex 10:56 probably both, unless slex 2.50 (the version on the server) is from before I implemented it 11:00 <@luxidream> big room + big slex = ? 11:02 @luxidream: sadly it doesn't scale special levels, but it would theoretically result in a room with 3x as much real estate 11:02 now imagine that being turned into a special room filled with monsters! you'd be at it for a while :D 11:03 that saaaaaaaaaaaaid... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... 11:03 the des file code allows me to set the dimensions of a room, and determine its type, so... I think you just gave me a terrible idea! :P 11:03 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:23566 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23818 11:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had elven broadsword named Orcrist bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:1604 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had runed broadsword named Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:2303 11:23 -!- ahrkl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:397 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24965 11:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: I-have-very-cute-finger-nails-♥♥♥!] 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 349117 points, T:25586, crushed to death by an exploding drawbridge 11:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:39 anyone here ever watch the netflix series 'Dark' ? 11:39 damn its trippy 11:39 and good 11:46 stenno2 hey 11:47 where'd all these old quotes come from :P 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 6525 points, T:4836, killed by a watch captain 11:56 hey 11:56 Hello stenno2, Welcome to #hardfought 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:00 o/ 12:00 you know what would be kinda neat for the nhqdb 12:01 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:01 to see all up and down votes, not just the total 12:01 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 12:01 this way when someone quest me saying 'Elbergofukyourself' I can see how badly its really received 12:01 *quotes 12:08 agreed, perhaps with mouseover on the score 12:12 <{Demo}> ah yes, dlvl1 warning against elves, humans, angels, and dwarves as well as +100 carry cap and very fast speed 12:12 its not that i have any control about that 12:13 -!- ahrkl has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:16 stenno2 i thought you were one of the maintainers of the nhqdb 12:16 aaahhh i did get bitten... damn spider landed on my head in the garage 12:16 K2: haven't watched Dark yet but planning to. you should also watch "how to sell drugs online fast" 12:16 stenno2: order by controversial :) 12:17 heh 12:17 bhaak you'll like Dark. it gets off to a bit of a slow start but pay attention, it all starts to make sense a few episodes in 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3375 12:21 K2: "how to sell drugs online fast" is an accurate depiction of the life of German teenagers in the 21st century. lots of computer and internet easter eggs 12:22 ugh 12:22 actually loosely based on a real case of a high school student opening an internet drug market 12:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1069 12:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed figurine of a clairvoyant changed", on T:1164 12:25 i don't maintain the qdb, i just approve quotes and have some other related rights 12:27 well... this is unacceptable 12:27 i formally protest 12:27 with a stringly worded letter 12:27 dammit 12:27 *strongly 12:27 bhaak: I want to look up the title "how to sell drugs online fast" but I also don't want to put that phrase into a search engine :) 12:28 we have this new technology called 'VPN' 12:28 should try it sometime 12:29 at your job? 12:29 I don't think your users can be trusted with a VPN based on what you've said of them 12:30 aosdict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Sell_Drugs_Online_(Fast) 12:31 my users at work can only use the work VPN to tunnel into our own network 12:31 dont you have a service you have access to for personal use? 12:31 no 12:31 I don't really need one 12:31 hmm 12:32 <{Demo}> bleh clairvoyant change traitored 12:32 ...until I want to look up how to sell drugs online fast, apparently. 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:64215 12:36 if a poisoned blade were to hit you... what's a good substitute for 'hit' 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:64216 12:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:39 Hacks 12:39 I had a mod for 3.4.3 that replaced 'hit' with different words such as 'slashes', 'hacks', 'punches', etc. 12:40 <@monstergrin> K2 i love Dark, im a couple eps into season 2 and it rules 12:40 -!- Semilg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40 awesome 12:40 i'm still on season 1 12:41 about to start ep 7 12:41 Andrio: for evilhack I did a bunch of custom descriptive hit/miss messages from when monsters attack you or they attack each other 12:42 plus the monks has some really neat ones when using martial arts 12:42 *monk 12:42 seriously... i am typing worse than usual today 12:43 so if a poisoned blade hits you... it doesnt burn or freeze you. sting perhaps? 12:46 in unnethack if you take off a blindfold and break zen it summons a Z, an e, and an n around you. wat 12:46 hahah 12:46 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 12:46 and if you break nudist it summons an S 12:47 <@monstergrin> hahaha 12:47 -!- ahrkl has joined #hardfought 12:49 Ah, nice 12:49 and this didn't get reverted later. It still happens. 12:51 <{Demo}> what even 12:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:3602 12:59 <{Demo}> oh yeah, ARS 13:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:4281 13:16 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 13:34 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) was given Dragonlance, on T:9049 13:34 <{Demo}> goofy 13:37 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 13:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) was given the Black Arrow, on T:9473 13:40 <{Demo}> not goofy, thanks friend 13:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) was given Hammerfeet, on T:10039 13:43 <{Demo}> goofy lol 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an arch-lich, on T:9544 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 2977 points, T:4950, quit 13:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed greased aegis", on T:11744 14:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:08 The venomous battle-axe of venom poisons the wolf! You kill the wolf! 14:08 heh 14:08 venomous venom 14:08 worst kind 14:09 the department of redundancy department cheers for your melee prowess 14:10 swapped venomous for noxious 14:14 The frigid two-handed sword freezes the lichen! You kill the lichen! 14:14 * K2 flexes 14:16 The shimmering two-handed sword shocks the wolf! You kill the wolf! 14:16 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 14:19 -!- ahrkl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:11920 14:22 aosdict: you forgot about the apple 14:25 that's from the extended conducts patch. I just generalized it to classes 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 562 points, T:2856, killed by a hill orc 14:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:12162 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:28596 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28597 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 48950 points, T:14307, petrified by a soldier 15:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:12529 15:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:41, on T:37847 15:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:41, on T:37848 15:06 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:37851 15:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:38074 15:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8561 15:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a guardian naga hatchling, on T:9014 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Kni Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:40784 15:13 dammit.. i had been taking robe on and off so carefully all through the catacombs and then i was just about to take it off and i step on the damn trap 15:13 w00t! got master and arch 15:14 nice 15:14 it's a crap shoot in evilhack 15:14 <@Tone> You always get two random monsters with blessed geno? 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 16296 points, T:9093, killed by a vampire lord, while helpless 15:17 yeah 15:17 and there's a gazillion h in evilhack 15:17 two random from class L 15:17 oh damn.. i didn't even think of that 15:17 right. two random from the class 15:17 better to just geno mindflayer and mmf separately i guess? 15:17 absolutely 15:18 i'm learning 15:18 unless you want, oh, dwarf ladies and hobbits 15:18 <@Tone> Are mind flayers any different in evilhack? 15:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:38220 15:18 not that i know 15:18 EPI for evilhack: add three clones of each L-class monster with different names and otherwise exactly identical stats. And to top it off, one of the master and arch-lich clones is ungenocideable, just in case you were planning to genocide them all in an attempt to get rid of team L completely. :P 15:18 they're light magenta ;) 15:18 so you don't confuse with dwarf kings or whatever 15:18 <@Tone> In vanilla I don't really mind mind flayers so mmf is always my single-monster geno target anyways 15:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:38222 15:19 until i get a good ranged attack i avoid them 15:19 if they get close, teleport them 15:19 hothraxxa: i like when you're on here because i can ask you evilhack questions. if it's ever too much just tell me to shaddup :) 15:20 never too much. i just hope i don't mislead you one of these times 15:20 #protip: astral is hard 15:21 what happened here is i polyed some blessed blank scrolls and got a genocide 15:22 in evilhack, i don't use genocide until i have to 15:22 or get a freebie like that 15:24 mindflayers are unchanged in evilhack except for their color 15:24 ^ ouch 15:24 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 15:25 oh snap 15:25 Ouch the death to an air elemental, that is, not the mindflayers 15:25 that sucks. definitely been there 15:25 those things do DAMAGE on air 15:25 <@Tone> !lastgame 15:25 @Tone: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1568539517.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/g/galadriel/nethack/dumplog/1561407371.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack/dumplog/1568549967.nh.html 15:26 rebatela: i always use a horn to scare them away or release me 15:26 yeah. at the very least i keep full healing in open inventory 15:27 as i've said before, if i don't have a horn by the time i'm ready for the planes i'll spend a wish for one 15:27 also a magic harp 15:27 pinkbeast, did the air elemental take your amulet of yendor? 15:28 bug_sniper: That wasn't me. I have never lost a game in the Planes, he says, tempting fate. 15:29 play evilhack. i dast you 15:29 hothraxxa: I might next June. One of my two post-Castle deaths is in Spork's Sanctum :-) 15:29 also, galadriel had a few ways to escap and air elemntal 15:29 +e 15:30 i have so many sporkhack planes splats... 15:30 i have two evilhack astral splats :( 15:30 I might well have collected my first Planes death if I hadn't died in the Sanctum, yeah :-) 15:30 you've never died on astral? 15:31 evil patch idea: whenever you genocide something, replace genocided monsters with nasty monsters from another race or symbol 15:31 hmmm... i should fix 343 livelogging while I am thinking of it 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:14044 15:31 rebatela: Who, me? It's literally true what I said; I've died twice ever after the Castle. (The other one was cockatrice corpse error, 3.2.x Wizard) 15:31 I've had my first game at astral result in a splat with pestilence in nethack 343 15:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:34, on T:39026 15:32 Doing Pestilence first may have been unwise, if they didn't come out to get you 15:32 yeah 15:33 i hate pesty most 15:34 I think you can argue the toss on Pesty vs Death, but always Famine first 15:34 evil patch idea: remove death and famine and put 3 pestilence in astral 15:34 anyway, such a pristine post-castle record means you don't play spork/evil much 15:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:19512 15:35 hothraxxa: Or that Spork has always kicked my arse before getting there :-) 15:35 I have no Evil games since I haven't played since June 2018, sorry :-/ 15:35 aye. then i'd include grunt 15:35 once you clean out the castle in grunt, you should be good to ascend 15:35 3 pestilence> I believe I drunkenly suggested making it _always_ be the last altar to K2 15:36 ooh i remember 15:36 its always the grand tour \o/ 15:36 not sure how you'd implement that 15:36 just make it a long hall with the altar you need at the end 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3934 points, T:2511, killed by a gnomish wizard 15:37 goblin shamans grant telepathy wow 15:38 nice patch idea: remove pestilence so that astral causes of death are more varied. Maybe buff the other monsters to make up for the reduced difficulty 15:38 Or retroactively decide what the altars are when you see them 15:38 Making Famine not a bad joke without also making them utterly fearsome would be interesting 15:39 Retroactively changing the altars would be funnier because some people wouldn't know 15:39 NetHack 343-hdf updated (all servers) 15:39 ^ livelog sac grammar fix 15:39 sometimes i only get 1 earth scroll in soko :( 15:39 * K2 changes all livelog messages for all variants to say ;all your base are belong to us' 15:41 Pinkbeast: the riders in evilhack were buffed a bit. that plus their horses, they are no joke 15:42 When I looked I thought I'd still do Famine first, although I wasn't doing a very careful analysis 15:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:30701 15:43 i'm almost ready to push object properties feature branch to master (evilhack) 15:43 at this point its just tweaks and polish 15:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:13, on T:40045 15:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:20375 15:48 "They say that some stones are much much heavier than others." 15:48 They say that about metal, too 15:48 i wanna know who 'they' is 15:49 The Oracle's understudies 15:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:14154 15:50 They get drunk and say "hey, put one in this cookie that says to eat cockatrice corpses to get stoning resistance" 15:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:21, on T:40456 15:50 hmm 15:50 getting drunk is a good idea (/me is drinking korenwijn (Dutch gin)) 15:50 I'm off to an island tomorrow (until Friday) but I will have wifi 15:51 \o/ 15:51 we need sea air and to get away from things 15:51 footrice should give stone res 15:51 spouse's asthma is threatening to kill him 15:51 (it will, eventually, but probably not now) 15:51 poly into a gargoyle or stone giant and eat one 15:51 good to go 15:51 or a yellow dragon 15:51 ^ that 15:52 It does give stone res - if you eat one, you cannot be any more petrified than you already are 15:52 it tastes like chicken! 15:52 PS re gin https://ceb.dreamwidth.org/383069.html 15:52 bok bok! 15:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:14, on T:40761 15:52 I still think hallucination should give stoning resistance because you are already stoned. 15:53 lol I like it that the king's head is a lego figure's head 15:54 Pinkbeast: I love all of that 15:54 oh man thats great 15:55 The skeleton has also had outings as the Grim Reaper on a _Pandemic_ cake and dead in the snow on Napoleon's retreat from Moscow, which I still think is our best cake yet ( https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/pix/cake/ ) 15:55 'Here people are drunken wastrels' <--- best pic 15:56 is the thing with the long tail a rat or a cat? 15:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:41135 15:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the Earth, on T:41136 15:57 I think it's nominally a mouse but we're using it as a rat 15:57 It's better in shot on Napoleon 15:57 it's rat-sized more than mouse-sized anyway 15:57 almost as big as the small dog 15:57 i thought i read that there are comments in the code that imply eating footrices was supposed to give stoning resistance? 15:57 but never implemented? 15:58 It's pretty big but then it gets to eat all those corpses 15:58 i just went to paste a line of code in my terminal and instead got Here people are drunken wastrels 15:58 hahahah 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 rebatela: I'm not saying there isn't, but I'm not aware of one. 16:00 According to definition in monst.c eating footrice and some other monsters should convey stoning resistance, but this is not implemented.[27 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:00 intrinsic stone res is a bit much 16:00 right? 16:01 probably why it never happened 16:01 in slex, intrinsic stone and acid resistance from corpses is implemented... but times out after a while, so it's balanced :D 16:01 if its that big a deal just poly into somthing that doesnt turn to stone 16:01 slex and balanced in the same sentence... HEH 16:01 :P 16:01 could work for spork too where resistances are percentages 16:02 or I think there's another variant where resistances time out 16:02 dnethack, however there it's very important ones that time out, so you basically never really have them intrinsically because a winning game takes many many turns 16:02 IIRC fire, cold, shock and maybe also sleep time out there 16:03 rebatela: They (and eg acid blobs) are listed as granting MR_STONE, but there's no comment. 16:03 now that i've finally strayed away from vanilla, i'm going to play ALL your damn varaints. Slex might be next (for real this time!) 16:03 yeah, stoning resistance could work for dnethack too if it times out 16:03 rebatela: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY :D:D:D in fact, right now bigslex is the most up to date, but it's only on the em.slashem.me server 16:03 yeah. I wasn't sure about comment. I just remembered reading something and it was what i just pasted from the wiki about most.c 16:03 monst 16:04 it's just SO overwhelming, hon... I don't know wtf role to play 16:04 rebatela: if you're playing slex while I'm here, and you don't mind me watching you and giving tips, you should ping me so I actually know you're playing ;) 16:04 i'll be sure to 16:04 right now I'll only be here for maybe an hour or so because I have a long tour tomorrow that starts early 16:04 need to get some damn sleep 16:05 can i play you know like a human monk and have a good time ? 16:05 yeah, monk is in fact a rather strong role in slex 16:05 if you know what you're doing, you can one-shot Kaen :D 16:05 two of my slex ascensions were monks 16:05 I played a little slashem the other day and was enjoying it, but i'd rather play a current game 16:06 nice 16:08 is there a link to like things that are way way different in slex? or like a begginers guide or something? I mean, are there different commands i need to know? 16:08 yes! there totally is! wait, I'll get a link 16:08 my spelling is way off. not sure what's going on 16:08 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Slash%27EM_Extended#Getting_started 16:08 awesome. ty 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14665 16:09 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 16:10 there's a bunch of sublinks in there; the "A list of hints" one is the one you'll probably want to read first 16:10 ooo i like that remove the gray I thing 16:10 yeah I always get annoyed when I'm playing a non-slex variant that does not have it :P 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] pinball (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 446 points, T:1615, killed by a giant bat 16:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:41617 16:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:41632 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:72001 16:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Death, on T:41659 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Ptah, on T:31222 16:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:41695 16:29 I'm resisting the urge to amend that Wiki page with "ideally, arrange for Amy to watch your game" :-) 16:29 Pinkbeast: feel free ;) 16:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Death, on T:41710 16:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:41711 16:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:32 haha 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:41569 16:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:24295 16:36 <{Demo}> glorious 16:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:38 Pinkbeast: [backscroll] I had a YANI about a reasonable famine buff: make his hunger attack deal the maximum of 1/4 your current nutrition or the current d40 + 40. 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] simpleliquid (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 374 points, T:1245, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4289 16:39 Sure that doesn't just amount to a few more turns spent munching K-rats? 16:40 No. 16:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2312040 points, T:41722, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Ardub/xnethack/dumplog/1568421458.xnh.html 16:42 grats Ardub (or whoever you are in irc) 16:43 Pinkbeast: if I ever implement the food-destroying locust attack, famine could also be augmented with that 16:44 (that destroys food items in inventory rather than hitting you in the nutrition) 16:44 I fear you might get over the line into "fearsome" (which more generally I find is a problem with NetHack enemies, either jokes or fearsome, but you've heard this whole spiel before...) 16:45 slex has a monster attack that may occasionally destroy carried food, but it's a poison-based attack actually, so has nothing to do with Famine ;) 16:45 YANI or maybe EPI: When Famine sucks out your nutrition, he heals himself 16:46 s/himself/nearby monsters/ 16:46 Pinkbeast: A further problem is that depending on the overpreparedness of your character, a given monster species can be either a joke or fearsome in different games 16:47 there's also the possible problem of certain monsters being extremely dangerous in melee but easy at range, e.g. mind flayers or minotaurs 16:47 so rangers with buffed arrows or especially wizards have an easy time against those while melee chars have to tough it out with the monster 16:48 nethack needs more monsters with dangerous ranged attacks :P 16:48 LarienTelrunya: That's probably working as intended. If you build a character whose only option is melee, that's the consequence. 16:48 Secretly I don't actually think of minos as very dangerous if you're sensibly prepared, and mind flayers are uh a bit of a metagaming threat 16:49 Particularly you've only got to be Fast to be able to deal with a minotaur by just walking away from it 16:49 if you're only Fast, you can get double moved 16:51 k2: twice now i've been teleported onto lava, is this intended? i have fireproof boots and i'm flying 16:52 you just answered your own question 16:52 you're flying 16:52 ok so no flying, no lava 16:52 are those jesus boots? 16:52 that's vanilla behavior for rloc() 16:52 yup 16:53 they're found boots of speed that i fireproofed 16:53 also, not vanilla cause no vanilla flying 16:53 * hothraxxa pedants 16:53 yes you can fly in vanilla 16:54 just not via amulet 16:54 oh right, on a mount 16:54 <{Demo}> or pokyd 16:54 is there a high score list or list of ascensions or whatever for evil k2? 16:54 https://scoreboard.xd.cm/zscore.eh.html 16:54 and https://scoreboard.xd.cm/ascended.eh.html 16:55 hardfought also has a local one but its still us server only 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 9419 points, T:7815, quit 16:56 ok cool 16:57 i just wanted to see i fyou've actually ascended... 16:57 j/k 16:57 quit cuz of orctown. not in da mood 16:58 but this next game, i tell ya.. gonna crush it 16:58 -!- Semilg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59 oh wow. so only like 10 ppl have done it 16:59 i don't feel so bad 16:59 Isn't elenmirie about half of them, too? 16:59 no one has ascended evilhack more than twice 17:00 she has 2 17:00 jilles prob could rack up a healthy z-score if he wanted to 17:00 I really think variant developers should have to win all their new classes once HI AMY 17:00 oh wow jilles was wishless... 17:01 Pinkbeast: my first slex ascension actually was a new class, and a few of the other slexcensions were too 17:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:25688 17:01 and a super low score (and a ranger) 17:01 Couldn't find any of the old classes, too many in the menu? 17:02 Pinkbeast: what do you mean? which menu, and what are the old classes? 17:02 and you did it with my jam k2! hum male neutral monk. you mfer!! lol 17:02 The old classes are Valk and friends, and it's just a joke, that there are _so_ many new classes you actually can't find Valkyrie 17:02 :) 17:03 they're the best.. cuz you get the best of both worlds with the spellcasting.... 17:03 ah :D 17:11 -!- Lymia has quit [Quit: Hugs~ <3] 17:22 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:23 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:42658 17:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 impromptu poll time... 17:31 if a game you're playing had object properties, would you 17:31 1) want to be able to find and wish for things like a cloak of magic resistance and 17:32 2) not be able to wish for nor have randomly spawn already magic items with extra properties 17:32 or 17:32 3) not be able to wish for a property on an already magical item, but be able to have it randomly spawn in game 17:32 3 17:32 that's all 17:33 ok one vote for 3 17:34 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:35 I tend to feel getting a wish is good enough already 17:37 <{Demo}> 2 17:38 me personally, i'm torn between 2 and 3 17:38 test build, i can make either happen 17:38 so now its just a matter of the best direction to take 17:39 3 seems (compared to 2) like it might help shift the game in the direction of using what you find not wishing for what you want, where there's a long way to go but I think in principle would be a Good Thing 17:43 <{Demo}> 3 is what fiqhack does 17:43 <{Demo}> and its bleh 17:44 <{Demo}> 2 is what dnh does and its tasteful 17:44 Don't you confuse my idle speculation with actual experience! 17:44 heh 17:44 i could always see the logic in getting say plate mail of searching 17:45 but a CoMR and reflection... hah 17:45 -!- Lymia has joined #hardfought 17:45 its already magical, it dont need no mo magic 17:47 or 17:47 option 3b 17:48 have the regular items have the default rarity for spawniong with an obj property 17:48 but then have already magical items be an order of magnitude more rare with an obj prop 17:48 something along those lines 17:51 <{Demo}> medusa livelog failed what... 18:06 I don't think anyone would vote for 1 in good faith of game balance. 18:06 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 18:07 My vote goes to 2. Because if you *do* find a cloak of magic resistance and reflection, that is kind of game breaking. 18:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 68009 points, T:18109, killed by an elven queen, while dressing up 18:07 ... lets you use a different DSM, is that _so_ game breaking? 18:07 reflection isnt an opion for an obj property in evilhack 18:08 what would be the most overpowered possible item then (any magical item + any property) 18:08 nor is DSM allow obj properties either, period. with their secondary extrinsics, not necessary at all 18:08 *allowed 18:09 aosdict: off the top of my head, prob a shield of reflection and drain res 18:09 or are you talking no restrictions period 18:09 no, with restrictions 18:10 I don't know the rules you have set up though so I can't figure it myself 18:10 ok so for evilhack, what I just put out 18:10 currently i have already magical items not allowed to gain a property 18:11 i'm liking 3b more and more 18:11 <@luxidream> MR+speed or MR+power would be nice 18:12 neither are options (speed or power) 18:12 you can see the current options here - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/object_properties/include/obj.h 18:12 scroll down to bottom 18:13 can I get an oilskin sword that always slips out of my hands 18:13 no heh 18:13 oilskin prop isnt allowed on weapons 18:13 only cloth based armor 18:14 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:15 brb laundry change over 18:16 <@luxidream> out of these I also think drain resistance is the best 18:20 FYI - i recently made it so armor can get drain res, but no 'thirsty' weapons 18:20 <@luxidream> in any case it wouldn’t break the game if you allowed players to wish for those 18:21 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21 wishing for any of those properties on a normal item will be allowed 18:21 its already magical items that wont be 18:22 now its just, do i allow already magical items to randomly spawn with said properties 18:22 yes/no/make more rare than regular items w/ properties 18:23 K2: you can expect a Hawaiian shirt of drain resistance to be a staple of an evilhack asc kit then 18:23 possibly 18:24 that's the one slot that has no magical items competing for it 18:24 <@luxidream> only for neutral characters with an extra wish really 18:24 if t-shirt, only allow searching prop 18:24 hahaha 18:25 <@luxidream> elven leather helm of drain resistance is just as good :p 18:26 <@luxidream> since brilliance and telepathy aren’t that great in the first place 18:26 well they're still better than having no magic in the shirt slot 18:26 just bear in mind, monsters will have access to the same gear 18:26 but overall all this will be rare as far as random generation goes 18:28 i cant remember... is shield of reflection flagged as magical or no? 18:28 i know in unnethack its not 18:30 ah its magical 18:30 hah no shield of reflection and drain res for you 18:31 ok i know what i'm doing 18:32 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a long sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:2886 18:32 <@luxidream> It’s nonmagical in un so you can actually wish for it with a lamp 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1035 points, T:2912, killed by a giant mosquito, while reading a book 18:33 like my last visit to Alaska... 18:41 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:73471 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:73477 18:43 alaska has mosquitoes? 18:45 mosquitoes are very common in the north 18:45 oh man do they 18:45 plenty of comfortable marshes for them in the summer 18:49 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:73671 18:49 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Kni Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43847 18:49 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Kni Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43848 18:54 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58 yep, they have mosquitoes there until it gets very cold 18:59 the eggs may survive frozen in winter but in the summer, they hatch and are the same mosquitoes 19:02 hmm 19:02 ran a few scenarios 19:03 now leaning back towards option 2 19:03 <{Demo}> option 2 is a good place to start 19:03 <{Demo}> cause if you can roll into 3 without making ppl sad 19:03 <{Demo}> but if u start with 3 and wish u did 2, have fun 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:74112 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:74113 19:05 good point 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:74119 19:05 but, opt 2 is looking a lot better regardless 19:09 <@luxidream> boo 19:17 <{Demo}> chaos 2 19:20 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 19:25 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:37 <{Demo}> is it midnight? 19:41 The sun's over the yardarm _somewhere_ 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:76007 19:51 -!- bobbyd has joined #hardfought 19:52 -!- bobbyd has quit [Client Quit] 19:54 another poll \o/ 19:55 <{Demo}> what 19:55 in grunthack, the odds of getting an object with properties is 1 in 100 19:55 i would like obj prop to be more rare for evilhack 19:55 whats a good value 19:55 (and i settled on opt 2) 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:76165 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12566 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:76265 20:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of a clairvoyant changed", on T:32155 20:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3289756 points, T:76295, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bliss56/nethack/dumplog/1568146824.nh.html 20:12 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:45814 20:13 -!- antivirus has joined #hardfought 20:13 well i am indeed blessed 20:13 K2: For your consideration: reduce the chance of properties if some condition is met, like being generated on a monster. 20:14 Unless you're okay with 80%+ of propertied items in the game coming from Ludios and mostly being on polearms and low boots and the wrong type of swords. 20:14 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 20:16 yeah something to think about 20:18 I wonder if there's any way to express the reality that if there are any propertied items floating around Ludios, they wouldn't be given to the grunt soldiers - the lieutenants and captains would monopolize them 20:19 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20 The Sargeant puts on the cloak of Magic Resistance. A voice calles out "Stand down there lackey!" The Captain knocks the Sargeant on the head. Fortunately The Sargeant was wearing a hard helmet. 20:21 The Captain confiscates the Cloak of Magic Resistance from the Sargeant. 20:21 "Report all goods to the Quartermaster! Now drop and give me 20" 20:22 K2: are you regularly asked to do pushups by your superior officers :P 20:23 yeah like does that happen after basic? 20:24 my understanding of the military is that you have to do whatever the higher ranking person says...unless a higher ranking person walks into the room and tells you to do something else lol 20:24 *higher ranking than the first person 20:28 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1832 points, T:2217, killed by a gnome lord 20:31 nice patch idea: make reading mail not break illiterate conduct 20:32 any officer making enlisted do pushups is amateur hour 20:32 even for a senior nco 20:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 557 points, T:1661, killed by a sewer rat 20:32 brb 20:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 139 points, T:152, killed by a boulder 20:34 I'm from San Diego, so I've always had a few military friends. The best (worst) that I have heard so far is from my buddy Evan. Some superior officer of his had a beef, and made him repeat his pepper spray qualification. Evidently his certification of completion from the first try "got lost" 20:34 maaan he was pissed. 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 583 points, T:2249, killed by a kobold lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:36 so that means not only did he get pepper sprayed in the face and have to run an obstacle course....he had to do it twice 20:36 see the issue was the first time, while his face was on fire from the military grade pepper spray, somebody teased him saying he was crying like a little girl. Evan lost it and kicked the guy in the balls. 20:36 so, he had to do it over... 20:37 I gotta say, the more I heard about it the happier I was with making minimum wage while I finished community college. 20:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1099 points, T:1151, killed by an imp 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 694 points, T:979, killed by a wand 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:27832 21:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Oona, on T:37879 21:04 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 21:08 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 21:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38276 21:13 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:14 <@luxidream> today was magicby's second unblock day! 21:15 <@luxidream> and he didn't immediately start vandalizing the wiki again 21:15 <@luxidream> 🍰 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had an elven broadsword named Orcrist bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:3561 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 4219 points, T:4156, quit 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3505 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:13217 21:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Orcus, on T:40200 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] allanb (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1227 points, T:4175, killed by a gnome lord 21:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Kostchtchie, on T:40609 21:41 You hear something being opened. You hear something rummaging through a chest 21:42 first damn messages of the game 21:42 get off my chest!! 21:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had an elven dagger named Sting bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:1595 21:42 then i fall through a shaft to lvl 6. bah 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2395 points, T:2021, killed by a hill orc 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3305 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3504 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:4072 21:58 lol the log message for finding Excalibur. Nice. 21:58 :) 21:59 there's half a dozen it picks from 21:59 all monty python inspired 21:59 cool 21:59 bedtime for this guy, gnite o/ 22:01 nite 22:02 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 22:06 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 22:08 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:2350 22:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 5158 points, T:2122, quit 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had a runed broadsword named Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:1035 22:18 bhaak you *did* set amytraps in your commit history 22:19 "Remove altar sacrificing". One line commit that removes an extraneous space on the end of a line. 22:25 oh pleeez just let me find an altar so i can live 22:26 what's wrong? 22:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) was given the Death-Spear of Vhaerun, on T:2828 22:27 <@riker> for whatever reason vhaerun keeps giving me this with so few sacs 22:27 <@riker> idk why but across so many games i'ts like <10 22:31 now i remember why i used to always play priests.. that starting holy water is so clutch 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17465 22:32 i could earth the minetown altar but then no buying protection and who knows if there will be another temple although i think all my evil hack game so far have had several in the dungeon 22:32 <@riker> hah, ID'd polymorph by dipping my arti spear in it - then used it to turn a scroll of light into ID 22:33 off one potion? 22:33 i like dipping spellbooks in those things 22:35 <@riker> yeah just a one-off potion 22:35 <@riker> and yeah but I'm really not a spellcasting role 22:36 <@riker> thought about trying to turn some spare boots into something nice but the odds I get a ring mail or similar are high-ish 22:36 <@riker> and I'm saving my tools for polypile later 22:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nhd-Nob Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4937 22:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 6792 points, T:5195, killed by a dwarf 22:40 <@riker> well he's spedey 22:40 <@riker> and I'm not 22:45 yeah. i usually dilute those potions once i have a better source of polymorph, but i've gotten some amazing stuff just randomly dipping like that 22:45 in evil, monsters throw them at you.. kinda sucks. lost my robe on the first level of mines yesterday to that 22:48 say, does anyone know if there's a way to unname a level that you've already annotated... For example, when I know theres a vault, I annotate VAULT, but then when I loot it I want to clear that and i end up just typing - because i don't know what else to do 22:48 ? 22:49 <@riker> annotate it a space 22:49 thank you SO much 22:49 <@riker> pretty sure that will clear it 22:49 <@Tone> Yep, that clears it 22:49 <@riker> coolio 22:50 YES 22:50 this place is great 22:50 lol 22:52 alright, noob question - just decended past orcus. I'm in what appears to be a standard maze level. Magic mapped it, no stairs?? 22:52 no stairs down I mean 22:53 there's a level port trap, I guess I could use that to go to lvl 47 22:54 must be the vibrating square level 22:54 <@Tone> One level below Orcus town? There's definitely a stair down 22:54 if there's really no stairs down, that's the bottom 22:54 <@Tone> Try autotraveling and selecting > 22:54 but yeah it wouldn't be right below orcus 22:54 <@Tone> or using #terrain 22:54 something is on top of it 22:54 Can't find dungeon feature '>'. 22:54 terrain is a 3.6 thing right? 22:54 so yep 22:55 its the bottom 22:55 ty 22:55 <@Tone> Yeah it was added in 3.6.0 rebatela 22:55 you can find the square with confused gold detection in 3.6 22:55 <@Tone> What dlvl is it antivirus? 22:56 46 22:56 now I feel silly for using all my detect gold scrolls for polyfodder lol 22:56 <@Tone> yeah that's in the right range, it is probably the bottom of the dungeon 22:56 yeah its just early 22:56 <@Tone> There will always be a few levels between Orcus town and the bottom though 22:56 yeah I zoomed through them, probably forgot them 22:57 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 22:57 magic mapping is making it go fast 22:59 now soko level is big room. I just want to bless this damn lamp and wish for dragonbane! If i didn't have lamps there'd be altars all over the place. DL1 23:00 hmmm one of the mines ends has altars i guess i will check that out 23:01 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:02 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 23:03 if you want to make sure it's the bottom before you go hunting, you can try digging a hole in the floor. hole = not the bottom 23:06 lesson learned: don't play a bugle in minetown 23:06 it makes the watch angry 23:06 yes it does lol 23:07 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:07 "This music is awful! Kill her!" 23:10 haters 23:10 they are some touchy touchy guards 23:11 I mean, if you were a cop and a guy dipped a sword in a foutnain and it turned into excalibur instead of getting rusty, wouldn't you be impressed? I don't think i'd want to kill 23:12 they're not mad you got excalibur, they're mad that you just dried up the only water source for miles 23:13 does the fountain dry up? Or is it just a chance of drying up like when anything else happens? 23:13 guaranteed dry up with excal 23:13 ahh 23:13 <@riker> it always dries up if you get excal 23:13 i never play lawful 23:13 <@riker> normally they'll warn you the action before it dries up 23:13 <@riker> "hey, stop using that fountain!" 23:13 yeah i know about all that. 23:13 haha right 23:13 that's the trickle message when they can see you 23:14 <@riker> ye ye 23:14 (dips in minetown a lot) 23:14 <@riker> to be fair - if somebody just kinda took a bath in MY fountain, I'd be somewhat pissed too 23:16 "we've been trying to capture that damn fountain hand for three weeks now. and you've gone and destroyed the bleeding fountain!" 23:18 <@luxidream> epi: watch captains are lawful and try to dip for excal when angered 23:18 <@riker> EPI: lawful monsters generated with long swords attempt to find the nearest fountain 23:18 <@riker> and then obviously dip for excal 23:20 <@luxidream> realistically that only applies to aleaxes and watch captains 23:20 <@luxidream> totally broken as a chaotic though ngl 23:20 <@luxidream> so maybe not epi 23:21 yeah there aren't all that many lawful humanoids around 23:22 <@luxidream> rogue throws long sword at a hobbit 23:22 <@luxidream> ggez 23:24 aosdict: indeed, which is also how it works in dynahack 23:25 <@riker> luxi: I mean it's an intelligent lawful sword right 23:25 <@riker> so they'd have to helm of OA it 23:25 <@riker> and at that point you can dip anyway 23:25 items with properties being labeled "magical" that is 23:25 for everyone 23:25 GruntHack restricted it to Wizards 23:25 and while this sort of makes sense, Wiz really doesn't need the buff 23:26 <@luxidream> @riker doesn’t evade you 23:26 <@riker> really? 23:26 <@luxidream> Otherwise speedruns would be impossible 23:26 <@riker> oh, that's intelligent role-aligned only isn't it 23:27 <@riker> the solution there is probably to make it knight-aligned? would that work? 23:27 not just role-aligned. quest artifact. 23:28 <@riker> hm 23:28 <@riker> ah well there's always specialcasing 23:29 YANI: An intelligent non-QA arti will always evade your grasp if you're doubly cross-aligned (lawful <-> chaotic). So a neutral can still pick up and use Excal and withstand the blast, but it will refuse to be used by any chaotic. 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 4842 points, T:3444, killed by a crocodile 23:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10434 points, T:8958, killed by an owlbear 23:33 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9926 23:42 yasi: Monsters will drink from fountains on their own to try to get that wish. Most will get killed by snakes or water demons but they try anyways. 23:43 dumb monsters only maybe? kind of a newb move, no? 23:43 although I always dip the early level foutnains dry eventually going for the wishes 23:44 haven't gotten one in evil yet... plenty of water demons... they probably don't grant wishes 23:46 i remember reading the high score list on NAO and it would be like killed by a water demon named "WHERE"S MY F'InG WISH You sutpid C$#(" 23:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 741 points, T:1851, killed by a rothe 23:48 <@riker> next up: "killed by a water demon named "WRONG & I WANTED A YELLOW ONE" 23:49 <{Demo}> wishes are really nice 23:49 <@riker> you're not wrong 23:51 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 23:51 <{Demo}> update on ant nuking: it dislodged the massive cockroach that lived above them and it was so weak and now it's dead 23:52 <@riker> nice 23:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] simpleliquid (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:910 23:53 I don't think I want to go visit {Demo}'s house 23:54 <{Demo}> me neither 23:55 finally an altar 23:55 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonbane", on T:10998 23:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] simpleliquid (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1668