00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1114 points, T:1719, killed by a giant spider 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 holy charging", on T:217 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:218 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased wand of death", on T:226 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:755 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2486 00:14 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 00:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:3026 00:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1318 points, T:1488, killed by a gnome zombie 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1226 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:6837 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:7219 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of levitation", on T:7830 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:8339 00:37 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:9184 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:9190 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:9255 00:43 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:45 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:9959 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased magic marker", on T:10138 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 225 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:11247 00:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:11421 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:11827 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:12738 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:12739 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:12992 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:14677 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:14679 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:15002 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:15156 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:15159 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:15268 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:15272 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "2 cursed gain level", on T:16595 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:17822 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:17835 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Famine, on T:18135 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 560213 points, T:18167, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1568088470.nh.html 01:23 <@luxidream> new pb 01:23 <@luxidream> wish it wasn't when I was warming up :V 01:27 <@luxidream> 1:10:52 01:36 aosdict: as usual, we will cross that bridge when we get there :) although there are already several different winning conditions because of 1.3d and atheist conduct. 02:26 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:30 <@IceBox> shit luxi, nice moves 02:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:35 <@luxidream> thanks icebae 03:51 There is a quivering blob corpse named Haiaoth of Zathosog here; eat it? [ynq] 03:51 I think I don't need to test that wand... 03:51 ... is teh blob corpse still quivering? 03:52 no, I ate it and it made me feel healthy 03:54 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:68387 04:19 Yum 05:41 -!- kimeemaru has joined #hardfought 05:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68913 05:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:68919 05:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:68952 05:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:69079 05:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:69082 06:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:69277 06:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:69389 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:69619 06:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 2588904 points, T:69620, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1567730710.nh.html 07:11 congrats oh6! 07:52 congrats oh6! 07:52 lol, I killed a dog and it death-dropped a leash 07:52 can you resurrect it? 07:55 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:55 <{Demo}2> can u put the leash on the dead dog and use it as a weapon? 07:55 <{Demo}2> that when you fling around your head like a lasso makes some intelligent monsters flee 07:58 <{Demo}2> what if you could use a leash to tether any item like an akyls 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:08 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3530 08:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4108 points, T:3579, killed by a dwarf 08:09 nerf dorfs! 08:09 are those dwarfs wielding nerf bats or something 08:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 103 points, T:275, poisoned by a jumping spider 08:10 nerf spiders! 08:10 :P 08:23 Nerf bats. They're terrifying. 08:24 heh 08:34 question 08:34 so when deathonastick was doing his ill fated highscore attempt game 08:35 he was using giants to carry bags of polypiled gems IIRC 08:35 but is there some reason he didn't use a nymph instead? 08:35 as pets? 08:35 you can't charm them 08:36 yes you can 08:37 oh noes i thought every seduction monster was immune 08:37 so if nymph has infinite carrycap, why not just bring along one nymph instead of several giants 08:37 how AD&D 2nd edition of me 08:37 the only untameable monsters are covetous or Medusa 08:38 -!- Andrio is now known as ^ 08:38 -!- ^ is now known as Andrio 08:44 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 08:44 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ dNetHack 3.18.0 / SpliceHack 0.6.4 now available to play 08:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 08:44 !setmintc 08:44 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 removed. 08:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:31, killed by a jackal 08:45 !lastgame k2 08:45 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1568119465.xnh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dnethack/dumplog/1567442210.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dnethack/dumplog/1567441396.dnh.txt 08:45 ah gotta wait a few sec 08:47 doh... i need to tweak the crontab 08:49 55 sec 08:50 there it is 08:50 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1568119465.xnh.html 08:50 ^ aosdict 08:50 hdf-us is done, working on other 2 08:50 <{Demo}2> when death on a stick was doing his run why didn't he just not die? 08:52 <{Demo}2> oh it was that he lost the gemz 08:53 <{Demo}2> the whole thing seems like a bad idea 08:59 -!- Hekik has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:00 <{Demo}2> what's the boulder carrycap as a giant polyform in 3.4.3? 09:00 <{Demo}2> infinite, yeah? 09:00 yup 09:01 <{Demo}2> ok lol why premake gems and try to haul them with pets up to the Astral plane when you can not need to risk it 09:01 <{Demo}2> and just unchanging + titan form + metric assload of boulders into astral 09:01 <{Demo}2> and jail the riders with some boulders 09:02 <{Demo}2> then make the rest into gems 09:04 xNetHack updated (all servers) 09:05 ^ HTML dumplogs and other stuff 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:5877 09:05 <{Demo}2> how viable is it to hang out on astral indefinitely in 343? 09:05 permahallu is more fun now also 09:07 <{Demo}2> people do it to score farm, yeah? 09:10 !lastgame k2 09:10 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1568119465.xnh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1548426922.xnh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1550430124.xnh.html 09:11 \o/ 09:11 so now all 3.6.x variants have html dumplogs 09:11 <{Demo}2> pudding farm for markers and earth => get just under the Boulder limit => run the planes with a set that provides needed resistances for your titan body shape => clear astral and trap riders => hole up in your temple and get cracking on breaking and polying boulders => ascend with a lot of gems 09:12 <{Demo}2> what's the boulder limit? 09:13 <{Demo}2> that would also be a fun question to answer 09:14 boulder limit in vanilla is however many slots you have available in inventory 09:14 in evilhack its 32k whatever that limit is since they stack 09:14 gonna address that 09:14 <{Demo}2> nah they all go on # 09:14 <{Demo}2> when it gets full 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:6587 09:21 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 09:22 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7992 09:24 <{Demo}2> how much pudding farming does it take to crash the game? 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 637 points, T:1046, killed by a bat 09:25 oh nice 09:28 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 280 points, T:521, killed by a jackal 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7510 09:34 {Demo}2: I would figure that you knew the answer to that already 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 152 points, T:406, killed by a burning book 09:36 <{Demo}2> I don't 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:9445 09:53 <@Tone> Demo: I'm guessing the game would crash first due to too many items being on the same tile 09:53 <@Tone> That may only occur if you interact with the tile though? I forget what specific factor causes problems 09:54 <{Demo}2> yeah but what's the limit for that 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9102 09:56 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 09:56 Adeon, have you seen luxis 1h10 ascension 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a war hammer named Mjollnir on an altar, on T:3188 09:57 <{Demo}2> luxi did what 09:57 <{Demo}2> wow 09:57 damn 09:58 close but no cigar 09:58 @luxidream sub 1 hr asc when? 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 30409 points, T:9397, killed by a dwarf 09:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Cerberus, on T:37108 09:58 first of all, a sub 1h3m would be nice 09:58 so we'd have that record eliminated 09:59 and ana and mal 10:01 <@luxidream> I’ll grind more 10:03 ok 10:03 @luxidream hurry up 10:03 * K2 looks at his watch 10:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1594 points, T:3536, killed by a giant mimic 10:11 <@ChrisANG> Aren't items in tiles stored in a linked list? In which case it should only crash when the computer runs out of free memory to allocate for more items. 10:12 <@ChrisANG> Or rather when the address space runs out, because I think that's typically a lot smaller than the computer's actual physical memory these days. 10:13 <@K2> oh god... @ChrisANG why are you using discord?? 10:14 wtf... K2?? 10:14 <@K2> what the hell is happening?? 10:14 lol 10:14 <@ChrisANG> It's about 50/50 these days 😛 10:14 :P 10:14 <@ChrisANG> The discord servers record scrollback when I'm not around. 10:16 so does my znc instance :P 10:18 i need to find that repair armor spell 10:24 <@Tone> @ChrisANG I've heard of crashes when the item list gets to too many pages 10:25 hardfought also records scrollback though 10:25 and since #dnethack isn't linked to discord, that doesn't help there 10:26 <@luxidream> A lot of dnethack talk has been happening in #nethack-variants these days 10:26 <@luxidream> which is logged by discord 10:27 oh crap, my bot joined #nethack-variants not ##nethack-variants and has been sitting there alone for months 10:29 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 10:30 ugh, I really don't want to sift through all that time of discord backscroll for YANIs 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 669 points, T:2042, killed by a giant mimic 10:31 <@luxidream> search YANI in discord 10:32 that'll probably get at least half of the real ideas, but there are a bunch of other patterns too 10:33 I don't suppose discord search supports regex :| 10:34 <{Demo}2> I think the ui breaks 10:35 <{Demo}2> and that virtual memory filling with objs isn't the limit 10:37 I have currently not succeeded in *finding* the menu code, so idk how it works :D 10:38 (I assume it's in /win somewhere) 10:38 <{Demo}2> lol 10:39 <{Demo}2> what variant has the biggest obj structs? 10:45 <{Demo}2> (on the latest 64 bit version of Ubuntu server) 10:47 I assume without evidence that it's either dNethack or Slex. 10:49 <{Demo}2> I looked at slex cause it was my first guess cause I know slexs solution to anything ever is to add a field to u 10:50 <{Demo}2> I'm not sure if it's actually bigger than dnh 10:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:50 the tty ui used to break on 32k item piles on a single map location 10:51 (signed int in the paging routine. iirc, i changed it to longint in 3.6) 10:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:39075 10:52 solved until someone drops 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 10:52 items on a tile 10:57 <{Demo}2> good luck fitting all those objects in memory :P 10:59 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3499 points, T:3239, poisoned by a rotted cave spider corpse 11:13 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:25 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4789 11:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Axus, on T:39948 11:29 THE Axus? 11:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:37 so I just got an email asking if any xnh windows binaries exist. To my knowledge, they don't exist (and I don't have the means to make one). Would anyone be able to help out in making one? 11:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:40563 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize amulet, on T:15643 11:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5120 points, T:6666, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:54 aosdict: LarienTelrunya might be able to help... *bundlebundle* ;) 11:54 lol :D actually I never compiled 3.6 from source on windows 11:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Oona, on T:40988 11:56 lol "the" Oona? isn't that a proper name? 11:57 i think elenmirie_ has made a windows binary? 11:57 maybe? 11:57 I commented similarly on 'the Axus' a little while ago. I haven't noticed that before. 11:57 heya Tangles 11:57 maybe something changed with dnh's livelogging recently. 11:57 hi K2 11:57 I'm just on my way to bed. 11:58 heh yeah its 2am there 11:58 zzzZZZzzz 11:58 <{Demo}2> i think its broken ingame as well 11:59 brb 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:16748 12:04 It's a bad interaction with the code that handles displaying approximate damage. 12:05 Androids have a piece of starting equipment that lets them see that, so it'll happen a lot with Android games. 12:05 One of these days I'll fix it. 12:07 couldn't see the soko prizes again... 12:07 eventually i'll get lucky and pick a door that helps me lol 12:14 stenno I don't follow esports 12:15 mortals like me can't handle it 12:15 fair 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:10254 12:20 k2: i love the random player monsters 12:20 just scored some dragonhide gloves off a valkyrie 12:25 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:9700 12:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:9193 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10176 points, T:8152, poisoned by a giant spider 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 cloak of displacement on an altar, on T:3013 12:52 -!- Frederic has joined #hardfought 12:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:10039 13:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ana Inc Mal Neu) averted death, on T:10823 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:4505 13:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:13513 13:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:23 rebatela cool 13:23 and what do you mean by 'cant see the soko prizes again' ? you mean another monster in the soko prize closet? 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:4425 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh4] keleseth (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 37076 points, T:3651, killed by a little dog, while paralyzed by a monster's touch 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 73 points, T:319, killed by a sewer rat 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 324 points, T:722, killed by a dwarf zombie 13:32 thanks raisse! (260 lines behind) 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 6834 points, T:5056, poisoned by an orcish arrow 13:35 !PoM 13:35 APic: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 2 days. 13:41 -!- Frederic has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ana Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:12799 13:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ana Inc Mal Neu) averted death, on T:13204 14:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ana Inc Mal Neu) averted death, on T:13261 14:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 823168 points, T:13262, killed by petrification 14:03 Are you kidding me. Ran out of hp the same turn I turned into a statue 14:04 On the plus side, now I can play dnh 3.18 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4656 points, T:3261, killed by a rope golem 14:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Inc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1889 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3114 points, T:2322, killed by a goblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:53 <@monstergrin> anyone wanna watch izchak kill me for accidentally breaking his door 14:55 <@monstergrin> nvm i escaped 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2889 points, T:2363, killed by a gold golem 15:01 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law), 382 points, T:2176, killed by a newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 199 points, T:389, killed by a kobold zombie 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 210 points, T:518, killed by an acidic corpse 15:11 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33 k2: there weren't any monsters this time. just no glyphs 15:34 what were you using to try and see them? 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2182 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 5320 points, T:2226, killed by a werewolf 15:40 rebatela 15:40 what were you using to try and see them? 15:43 Evil Patch idea: if your strength is lower than, say, 6, pushing a boulder is impossible. 15:49 !who 15:49 K2: [hdf-us] Cropper [nh363] AntiVirus [nh363] Hekik [nh363] malor [dnh] monstergrin [dnh] | [hdf-eu] rootkit [nh363] HarmathZsolt [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:50 LarienTelrunya - that's actually common sense, not EPI ;) 15:50 K2: yes, but in-game you still can push them even if your STR is 3! 15:50 and to add to that, how high or low your STR is determines how many turns it takes to push said boulder one space 15:50 just like digging speed and the enchantment of your pickaxe 15:50 heh, would make sense 15:52 !tell rebatela what were you using to try and see the sokoban prize glyphs? 15:52 Will do, K2! 15:52 this is like trying to call someone who *just* texted you 15:52 and they dont answer 15:52 hah 15:52 <{Demo}2> can I turn my dog into a xorn and feed the glyphs to soko prizes 15:53 <{Demo}2> well that sentence died nevermind 15:53 :) 15:53 <{Demo}2> make xorn eat soko prizes 15:53 <{Demo}2> is possible? 15:53 pretty sure I added a bit that makes the soko prizes non-desireable for monsters to eat 15:53 i would need to look again 15:53 <{Demo}2> what if I whip my xorn until it's GOTTA 15:54 try it 15:54 <{Demo}2> don't have an evilhack 15:54 <{Demo}2> am on the porcelain throne 15:54 <{Demo}2> plenty of excuses 15:54 you make me sad 15:55 * K2 goes back to working on adding object properties to evilhack 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:28445 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:28892 16:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Grue, on T:47967 16:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Cerberus, on T:15298 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Val Hum Fem Law), 2026466 points, T:28929, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nethack/dumplog/1567988787.nh.html 16:14 <@malor> !who 16:14 @malor: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] AntiVirus [nh363] Hekik [nh363] malor [dnh] Demo [dnh] Heliokopis [nh343] | [hdf-eu] HarmathZsolt [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:15 !whodat 16:15 ^ should be a thing 16:15 heh 16:16 !whodat guy K2 16:16 :) 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 78553 points, T:25678, quit 16:18 aosdict when are we going to drop everything and focus on TNNT 16:20 I have some non-coding backlog things to do (going through the rest of fourk, evilhack, and splicehack looking for features) and bringing the YANI archive fully up to date. There's nothing pressing I need to do with xnh. 16:20 k 16:21 i wanna get obj prop at least working in evilhack. should (knock on wood) have that done by this weekend 16:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Sir Garland, on T:16078 16:21 then TNNT 16:22 6-7 weeks out sounds like enough time 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:131 16:22 and hopefully Tangles has time to jump in also 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 5415 points, T:2741, killed by a raven 16:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed cloak of the unheld one", on T:16909 16:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:17050 16:40 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 16:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 16:41 YANI: Stop running when you run into graffiti and read it. 16:42 EPI: and break the illiterate conduct in the process :D if you want to keep it, you have to get very lucky to never run into a random engraving! 16:43 or play xnethack :D 16:43 what, you actually implemented it? 16:43 no, xnethack lets you see engravings from a distance 16:44 ah, the thing where they look like some weird other thing (amulets? traps? don't remember) :D 16:45 in slex they can also be seen from a distance, with the option to turn it off of course, but they're highlighted instead of a different glyph 16:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:17431 16:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:17549 16:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:18434 16:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:18600 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3520 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:22985 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1765 points, T:3194, killed by an invisible water demon 17:22 <@malor> !who 17:22 @malor: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] AntiVirus [nh363] Demo [dnh] Heliokopis [nh343] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3702 points, T:2972, killed by a fire ant 17:26 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 17:30 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Axus, on T:21316 17:39 YANI: incorporate diminishing returns and/or hard cap on levels that can be gained via foocubus. But, each “educational experience” under your belt counts as +1 toward a good outcome in future encounters. 17:41 YASI: getting smited by your god is a "religious experience" and gives you a few Xp points. 17:56 <{Demo}2> sorry oona 17:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Oona, on T:23004 18:02 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Kni Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize amulet, on T:10166 18:02 flying. oh well 18:03 flying is cool 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:3155 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1450 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first item, on T:23801 18:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Platinum Dragon, on T:23613 18:10 -!- Hekik has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:7335 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 5316 points, T:3705, killed by a soldier ant 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7765 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 26 points, T:95, killed by a scroll of earth 18:15 hothraxxa have you ever had any issues viewing the evilhack sokoban prize glyphs (not counting a monster being in the same space) 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:7768 18:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Bael, on T:24686 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:25592 18:25 YANI: Intrinsic aggravate monster from eating dog/cat fades after a couple thousand turns. From actual cannibalism, many thousand. But you are never cursed with it permanently. 18:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 308 points, T:1083, killed by a black pudding 18:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 28 points, T:61, killed by a jackal, while praying 18:42 @luxidream this discord search is bad and it should feel bad 18:43 why is it returning results from Dec 2018 on one page, and then Jan 2019 on the next page, and then Mar 2018 on the next page 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2183 points, T:2025, killed by a kitten 18:59 <@luxidream> are you under "relevant" or "recent" 18:59 <@luxidream> relevant seems to sort them haphazardly and doesn't make any sense at all 19:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1696 points, T:1781, killed by a dwarf 19:02 k2: nope, just saw them fine an hour or so ago 19:02 k thx 19:03 i knew boh and i saw a sokoban tool. was that a magic marker or have you fixed that bug? 19:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Law) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed premium heart", on T:25961 19:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1983 19:20 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3427 points, T:2880, killed by a winter wolf 19:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of a clairvoyant changed", on T:3598 19:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 10143 points, T:3613, quit 19:29 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 19:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1464 19:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 5357 points, T:1765, quit 19:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 200 points, T:768, killed by a dwarf 19:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Law) wished for "cursed figurine of aspect of the silence", on T:28879 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:15160 19:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Law) wished for "cursed figurine of aspect of the silence", on T:28970 19:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2711 points, T:2113, killed by a black unicorn 19:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2969 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2111 points, T:1703, killed by a soldier ant 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:05 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 20:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of a clairvoyant changed", on T:5255 20:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 20680 points, T:5284, killed by a clairvoyant changed 20:07 <@riker> top ten anime betrayals :/ 20:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 267 points, T:885, killed by a fox 20:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of a clairvoyant changed", on T:1080 20:16 <@riker> finally, took long enough 20:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a sokoban prize amulet, on T:9560 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had long sword named Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:1346 20:18 hothraxxa i fixed that 20:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1528 20:20 <@riker> YASI: when your god is angry at you, occasionally you'll get a sacrifice gift anyway 20:20 <@riker> but it's a cursed negatively enchanted item just named after an artifact, and it's not even the right type 20:21 <@riker> i.e. "cursed -3 dagger named Grayswandir" 20:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (And-Ana And Mal Law) wished for "cursed figurine of aspect of the silence", on T:31198 20:45 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:50 -!- {Demo}2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7335 points, T:6574, killed by a gray unicorn 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11075 21:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 72627 points, T:9548, killed by a bone devil 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law), 445 points, T:1285, killed by a giant bat 21:34 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 21:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 21:37 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 21:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 21:43 -!- {Demo} has joined #hardfought 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3137 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 4 daggers on an altar, on T:4426 21:59 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 22:02 YANI: If you're in good standing in a shop and a Knight, shopkeepers will address you as "Sir/Lady [Playername]". 22:03 capitalizing the playername if necessary 22:03 I like that 22:03 AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2019-09-08 16:36 EDT: i'm also adding convict role per request to evilhack at some point, plus one other that hopefully is unique. wooo! 22:03 hi AntiGulp 22:04 !tell K2 Best of luck! The convict patch was a pain in the butt to make compatible with 3.6. I would highly recommend copying the quest maps I committed, since it took forever to fix the formatting in them. 22:04 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, AntiGulp. 22:04 Hi aosdict! 22:08 ok thanks 22:08 K2: Message from AntiGulp at 2019-09-10 22:04 EDT: Best of luck! The convict patch was a pain in the butt to make compatible with 3.6. I would highly recommend copying the quest maps I committed, since it took forever to fix the formatting in them. 22:18 EPI: Monsters can cast all directed spells at a range. 22:18 The joke is that I’m considering implementing this. 22:21 :) 22:21 what, like zaps you with a magic missile? 22:21 don't they already 22:23 Like Geyser, Flame Pillar, Psychic. 22:23 Ok, update. I just tried walking in the sanctum and took ~100 damage in a single turn from the aligned priests. This may be a bad idea. 22:23 imagine astral. ouch. 22:23 <{Demo}> play dnethack 22:23 <{Demo}> dnh has exactly what u described 22:25 Dnethack is what made me think of it. I didn’t think that Chris actually implemented all monster spells being castable at a range though. Wow. 22:25 I kind of want to add this. 22:26 YANI: For every lock in the game (doors and boxes), compute a deterministic chance (based on object ID for boxes, xyz coords for doors) that it cannot be jimmied open by a credit card. If you try, you get the message "It doesn't look like this lock can be opened with a credit card", taking no time. 22:27 Thinking 40% constant odds for boxes, and doors start with 10% being unpickable and that chance steadily increasing with depth. 22:28 Possibly (_possibly_) extend this same behavior to locks that can't be opened by key. They need to either be magically unlocked or picked. 22:29 <@Tone> That change would probably lead me to create a choke point (using scrolls of earth of necessary) and fighting everything in the sanctum one by one 22:29 <@Tone> Astral would be more difficult 22:30 <@luxidream> keep your dcss outta my nethack :p 22:30 <@luxidream> I already have to deal with annoying priests in one game 22:31 yeah that would make fighting an individual spellcaster more interesting but the problem is you generally deal with them in groups 22:31 <{Demo}> the problem is when they ant summon you and the spam attack spells 22:31 <@luxidream> aosdict: let's say no key/lock pick spawns and the stairs are behind an iron door 22:32 <{Demo}> on a no tele level you can't do anything really 22:32 <@luxidream> do you just cry? 22:32 <{Demo}> try to get into a position where you can zap tele at them by wading through the ants 22:32 @luxidream in xnethack's case, by the time iron doors start to appear, the chance you can't dig around or teleport around or dig down to the next level or find a trapdoor is vanishingly small 22:34 Yeah, I just tried astral at level 30, -90 ac, and got obliterated in less than a dozen turns. As is, implementing ranged directed spells is not balanced. 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 11079 points, T:6027, killed by a dwarf lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:44 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh343] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 38772 points, T:8907, killed by a giant mummy 22:46 well... that compiled without errors 22:46 lets see how many things i screwed up ;) 22:47 sup K2 22:47 heya 22:50 <{Demo}> I've never understood the convict appeal 22:50 <{Demo}> even the pirate patch is better 22:51 YANI (EPI?) addendum: When you try to use a card to pick a lock, it sometimes slips through the crack. If picking a box, it will end up inside the box; if picking a door, it lands on the floor on the other side. Probably a Dex check, like rnd(Dex) == 1. Or half that. If the card is cursed or you're fumbling, the chance is significantly higher. 22:53 {Demo}, do you never get that masochistic urge? 22:53 because I sure do 22:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:15335 23:13 <@luxidream> orc convict needs a roll to survive going downstairs for the first time 23:14 <@luxidream> clearly amazing design 23:14 can't you carry the ball and descend safely? 23:14 <@luxidream> it deals 1-9 damage 23:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:104916 23:15 <@luxidream> if you're carrying it 23:15 <@luxidream> and I think orc convict starts with 9 HP? 23:15 smoky potions are oil... I guess I'll be pretty regular now 23:17 @luxidream, no you just have to hope enough monsters and food spawns to reach XL2 before attempting the stairs or starving to death. Either way it's random chance whether you survive or not I guess. 23:19 aosdict: I approve the lockpick YANI. Seems that lock picks > keys > credit cards for ability to open things. 23:19 !tell AntiGulp why is the "fell beast" encyclopedia entry the weathertop nazgul quote? if you want a better quotation, see The Return of the King, beginning of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields chapter 23:19 No worries, aosdict, I've got this! 23:21 bouquet: Yeah, it just seems odd to me that a tourist starts the game with the ability to unlock literally anything 23:21 have you ever tried to open a door with a cc? It's severely overrated as an opening device. 23:22 it makes sense that lockpicks would be optimal. Any pro locksmith can open nearly anything short of those fancy unbumpable locks. 23:22 lockpicks are better than keys? 23:23 sodastab: in vanilla, keys are pretty optimal, except that IIRC a lockpick can fix a broken lock 23:23 do keys exercise dex or just lockpicks? 23:23 bouquet: and who's the pro locksmith who starts with a lockpick? the rogue ;) 23:24 :D 23:24 yay 23:24 a sensible conclusion 23:25 It does make sense that *they* start the game with the ability to unlock literally anything 23:25 though, once I finish revamping gehennom, it would probably make sense to have literally fiendishly tricky locks 23:26 gah, hate when I roll a rogue with near the minimum amount of daggers 23:26 got only 6 this time 23:30 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 23:33 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:38 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:40 -!- misha has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:44 if you were making evilhack you'd make unlocking "fiendishly tricky locks" like solving sokoban levels. 23:44 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 23:44 and the contents would be worthless glass and a potion of booze 23:45 <@luxidream> looks like the key is usually better even for rogues 23:45 <@luxidream> kind of silly I guess 23:45 bouquet: and a figurine of a woodchuck named carl 23:46 i've trained all of you well 23:46 carl the woodchuck is now a Thing™ 23:46 muhahahahh 23:46 MUHAHAH 23:46 @luxidream I'm starting to question the original decision to make all keys unlock and lock everything everywhere 23:47 I recall the justification being something along the lines of "different shaped keys didn't add anything to the game"? 23:47 -!- aioe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50 <@luxidream> the player having to collect different shaped keys is also silly imo 23:53 aosdict: Where would you intend the player to need different keys? Around the dungeon, there is no pressing need for the player to have any key at all -- lock picks, credit cards, casting Knock, and even kicking or #force can open locked doors and chests. 23:54 Though xnethack has iron doors, for which the player's options are more limited 23:54 well, a typical game will have various points in the early to middle game where the ability to relock a door is nice 23:55 <@luxidream> you can lock doors with a lock pick 23:55 yes I know, but in the context of "no need to have a key at all" 23:57 I can think of a few plausible cases for having different keys: 23:58 1) Unique keys, like say a key somewhere in Fort Ludios that is (nearly?)absolutely required to open a chest full of goodies 23:59 2) As a required progression item (dnethack's alignment keys)