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ZZZzzz…] 03:05 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 03:34 >You fall into a pit! How pitiful. Isn't that the pits? 03:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:57 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 03:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:03 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:03 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:45781 06:20 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:26213 06:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:54 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:99391 06:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:20 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malikto (Bin Bat Mal Non), 1861 points, T:1022, killed by a rothe 07:23 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:99957 07:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malikto (Ana And Mal Neu), 0 points, T:108, killed by a grid bug 07:29 wand of wishing number 4 07:30 I suppose this makes up for some recent lack of love from RNGesus 07:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:32 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:100013 07:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 07:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:02 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:05 morning morning 08:06 afternooning 08:08 o/ 08:11 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 08:18 aosdict: Adding the new taunts was a long time ago now, but I don't think I had any problems with it since it was inside an existing category. Given that most taunts are hardcoded, though, it would ~probably~ be better to move those out of quest.txt :-/ 08:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47064 08:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:47065 08:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:47070 08:26 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:47271 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:47277 08:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:28026 08:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 08:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:57 @monstergrin yeah if you have any suggestions for more messages like that, I'd love to hear them. 08:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:03 <{Demo}2> stabby stabby 09:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 09:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:48201 09:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:29540 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:48372 09:36 I guess i will start trying to wish for more artifacts ? 4 wands of wishing (so far.. still not in gehennom) 09:37 trying to think of fun things to do 09:38 i would like instrinsic protection from shape changers, and that ring is edible in my game. might shoot for that lol 09:41 yasd imminent 09:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 27 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48640 09:48 rebatela, choked on one too many rings of protection from shape changers 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:6458 09:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 09:53 was thinking of swallowing magical breathing too. I've never eaten any jewelry, but those are the only two that seem worth it (other than ac/dmg but those aren't edible in my game) 09:53 but yeah. I'm probably going to choke on a wraith on or something 09:54 that's the whole reason I'm announcing my good fortune to the group (so you can all have a laugh when you see my die lol) 09:54 me* 09:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:30313 10:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:30478 10:03 YANI: Always put a graffiti of a true rumor somewhere on level 1; pre-scuff it less than normal or not at all. Bit of an alternative to unnethack scroll of hint or whatever that is. 10:04 of course, this would work better in xnethack than anywhere else, where you can see the graffiti from a distance... 10:05 -!- dopplergange has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.3 - https://znc.in] 10:05 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 10:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:30583 10:10 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:2986 10:15 There'd still be a significant chance it wouldn't ever be found 10:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Garland, on T:30799 10:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:30842 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10242 10:22 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 10:24 maybe put it in the first room 10:25 YANI: Dwarf and gnome kings (and lords, maybe?) will recognize and ignore worthless glass on the ground, not picking it up. 10:27 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:28 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 10:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:35788 10:40 <@monstergrin> i like that one too 10:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:10608 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:37014 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37019 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5792 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a large kobold, on T:6021 10:53 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:7711 10:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:02 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:60521 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:60606 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:31355 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of stone to flesh", on T:31435 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:49510 11:26 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:60761 11:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 so, I have 20 blessed pit fiend eggs that I put in an ice box... If i want to use them. how long does it take for them to hatch? do I put them on the ground or keep in open inventory? 12:00 pit fiend eggs? 12:00 yeah pit fiend eggs 12:00 lol wut 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:00 Inventory gives the highest probability they will hatch tame. 12:00 i didnt know they laid eggs 12:00 they probably don't lol 12:01 demons dont hatch out of eggs... ? 12:01 Is it possible to get eggs of non-oviparous monsters? 12:01 i dunno. i have them though. Maybe i shouldn't hold my breath on them hatching? 12:01 eat one 12:01 lol 12:01 no thanks 12:01 and this guy eats anything 12:01 i'd like scrambled pit fiend eggs please 12:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 12:02 poly piling.. also got 30 lembas wafers, 30 blessed tins of spinach , gauntlets of dexterity (what I really was hoping for ) and yeah 20 pit fiend eggs. But an army of pit fiend pets doesn't sound like a bad idea 12:04 * K2 really wants to try a pit fiend egg 12:04 i wonder if they're like ostrich eggs 12:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:32649 12:09 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 12:10 K2: They probably smell like molten sulfur. 12:11 so rotten 12:12 i wished for a pit fiend egg 12:12 just got a regular egg 12:12 do they lay eggs at all? 12:12 no 12:12 then Im not surprised 12:12 rebatela i call shenanigans 12:13 oh I should have read backscroll (but then I;m up to my eyebrows in Real Life at the moment) 12:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:15 I thought polypiling stuff into eggs wouldn't give you eggs from non-oviparous monsters. 12:16 k2 12:16 look at my game 12:16 my bad 12:16 pit viper 12:16 lol 12:16 wit piper 12:16 I just fought a pit fiend from a polymorph trap and mispoke 12:16 my bad 12:16 makes more sense 12:17 lol 12:17 question stands 12:17 do i just take the eggs out of icebox and wait? 12:17 teleport to where i want to use them 12:17 ? 12:17 right, snakes do lay eggs 12:17 "A djinni hatches from the egg! The djinni speaks. 'What the hell just happened?'" 12:17 lol 12:22 so how do i hatch em and whistle my snakes around 12:22 lol 12:22 pit viper! 12:27 yeah pit viper 12:28 pit viper pit fiend . makes more sense for eggs though lol 12:31 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:32 * K2 still really wants to try a pit fiend egg 12:34 Snakes are oviparous, yes. 12:34 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34 <@luxidream> I’d imagine a pit fiend eggs looks and tastes like a century egg 12:34 but i still want a pit fiend egg 12:35 K2: You wouldn't like it. 12:35 just add franks hot sauce 12:35 TIL demons are reptiles 12:36 pit fiend omelette? 12:36 that sounds terrible 12:37 i'd eat it 12:37 just add franks 12:40 -!- tonehack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42 * jonadab looks up Franks hot sauce, determines that it appears to be bog-standard cayenne pepper sauce. 12:42 Which, granted, improves the flavor of most non-dessert foods. 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12978 12:53 jonadab if it werent for franks hot sauce, i would have starved on my last iraq deployment 12:54 so it holds a special place in my heart 12:54 * K2 chokes up 12:54 lol 12:54 :) 12:57 choking up from too much hot sauce. thump him on the back 12:57 heh 12:57 oh btw 12:57 do NOT attempt to chug a family sized bottle of franks. just dont 12:58 one of my privates did to win a case of rip-its 12:58 Eh, cayenne isn't _dangerously_ spicy. 12:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:58 Although, it's vinegar-based, so a family-sized bottle... hmm. 12:58 Dunno. 12:59 lets just say using the bathroom afterwards for the next couple of days was... interesting for him 12:59 i'm leaving out a lot of details 12:59 It's not as stupid as trying to eat a box of raisins and a bag of dried habanero peppers. 12:59 <@malor> !who 12:59 @malor: [hdf-us] Hekik [nh363] AntiVirus [nh363] dbanethacker [evil] | [hdf-eu] gargor [nh363] Raisse [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:59 together? 12:59 K2: At the same time, yeah. 13:00 Or you can substitute prunes for the raisins, similar effect. 13:00 heh 13:00 i kinda want to try that 13:01 Be advised that dried habanero peppers pack significantly more heat than anything made from cayenne. 13:02 As in, the Skoville number has more digits. 13:05 I don't see what the raisins have to do with it 13:08 yeah i'm aware of habaneros 13:11 currently harvesteing habaneros and ghost peppers i grew this summer 13:11 mouth is burning as i type lol 13:11 heheh 13:11 i like spicy but not too spicy 13:11 i like to be able to taste my food 13:12 <{Demo}2> spicy is bad in any amount 13:12 <{Demo}2> can't handle 13:12 noooo 13:12 * K2 loves the heat 13:12 but these 3 million BTU rated spices are just ridiculous 13:13 ooh snap, idea 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:60914 13:21 !tell AntiGulp you should add spicy food to your cooking patch. if you eat something thats too spicy, you're affected in various ways 13:21 I'm on it, K2. 13:22 <{Demo}2> some taco bell items make me sweat 13:22 aosdict: The raisins are high in fiber. 13:22 You eat the hot wings. You feel your stomach grumble. You have 10 seconds to make a life-altering decision. 13:23 aosdict: If you're not accustomed to eating a lot of high-fiber foods in your diet, suddenly doing so can give you, umm, the squirts. 13:23 habanero squirts hahahah 13:23 have fun walking right 13:23 {Demo}2: Where I live (Ohio), Taco Bell doesn't sell anything spicy. 13:24 taco bell is strictly for drunk munchies at 3am 13:24 <{Demo}2> you and I have different understandings of spicy 13:24 I mean, ok, yes, if you specifically ask for them, you can get a little thing of canned pickled sliced jalapenos. 13:24 But that's _it_. 13:25 <{Demo}2> one time they had a potatorito or some limited time potato item and the potatoes were too spicy and made me sweat 13:25 You can't get anything with more than a three-digit Skoville number from there. 13:25 <{Demo}2> yeah I'm like super sensitive to spice like I can't even use any of their sauces they are all too much 13:25 Wait, Taco Bell hot sauce? That's... you ARE hyper-sensitive then. 13:26 You're almost on par with my mom, who won't eat anything that has garlic or black pepper in it. 13:26 <{Demo}2> black pepper and garlic are fine 13:26 And makes "chili" with no chili powder in it. 13:26 <{Demo}2> sometimes a bit much is kind of annoying but it's tolerable 13:27 Wait, are you one of those people who describes cinnamon candies as "hot"? 13:28 <{Demo}2> those are 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4266 13:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4516 13:55 there's a cooking patch? That's awesome. 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13511 14:01 there was once talk of using fire on corpses to increase their nutritional value (cooking them). 14:01 too much cooked meat in a room should summon depth appropriate d and f. 14:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 396 points, T:1057, killed by a bolt of fire 14:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:12 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:19 YANI: [f]orce attacking a spider web with no monster on the tile has a chance of destroying the web, depending on the wielded weapon. Edged weapons have a good chance to work, blunt weapons never work. Sting is guaranteed success 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 10489 points, T:11543, killed by a wolf 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 132 points, T:470, killed by a sewer rat 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 151 points, T:530, killed by a goblin 14:31 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:61027 14:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Great Cthulhu, on T:36493 14:41 Hekik: implemented in xnethack already :D 14:42 just goes to show I need to play more variants 14:43 also, wielding sting and stepping into a web automatically destroys it without consuming turns 14:45 that's in vanilla? never noticed 14:46 no, xnethack 14:46 I want it in vanilla though 14:47 is there a chocolate version of nethack? i want that 14:47 dark chocolate 14:47 chocohack 14:48 actually, NetHack Cocoa is probably the closest thing that actually exists :P 14:48 rofl 14:48 the unsweetened bitter version 14:49 * aosdict gives K2 a candy bar 14:50 mmm 14:50 3 musketeers? 14:50 or snickers? 14:51 * Hekik struggles with a flashback of choking on a candy bar 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:34560 14:54 snickers is the preferred candy bar of practically every thru-hiker 14:54 sometimes you feel like a nut 14:55 sometimes you dont 14:55 :P 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1383 points, T:2562, killed by a small mimic 14:56 Yet Another Silly Idea: Candy bars have a chance to return you to your normal form if you're polymorphed. "You're not you when you're hungry!" 15:01 <@malor> !who 15:01 @malor: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] AntiVirus [nh363] Hekik [nh363] | [hdf-eu] gargor [nh363] mightyquinn [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] malikto (Ana Hlf Mal Neu), 163 points, T:291, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:07 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:30 Hekik hahah 15:31 You change form into Betty White! You eat a candy bar. You return to your original form. 15:31 hmm 15:31 'hangry' should be a thing in nethack 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20093 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:36194 15:47 YANI: A negative effect of foocubus interaction can be *you* getting a headache, which manifests as maybe 10-20 points of HP damage 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:36699 15:54 or an STD 15:54 a new 'TermIll' status reason 15:54 aaaand i bet slex already has STD's 15:56 <{Demo}2> it does 15:58 You feel shameful! 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 so what's the deal with rld? it just auto-bounces every so often? 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1812 points, T:3740, killed by a giant ant 16:01 <{Demo}2> basically it's a broken piece of shit 16:01 <{Demo}2> and that's a workaround to make it sorta work 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 630 points, T:1666, killed by a werewolf, while sleeping 16:01 <{Demo}2> at least that's my understanding 16:02 hmm, what happened here? I attacked a peaceful owlbear, but it wasn't the only thing to aggro: "The owlbear gets angry! The Grey-elf gets angry!" 16:03 <{Demo}2> 3.6.x 16:03 <{Demo}2> it heard it get mad and got mad too 16:03 interesting 16:03 <{Demo}2> why? I don't know but it's a decision made for 3.6.x that I don't like 16:04 to make it less attractive to attack peaceful critters I suppose 16:04 if you attack a peaceful in front of another peaceful, the peaceful watching your heinous act can get mad 16:04 <{Demo}2> and a reason that when a certain someone refuses to accept its legitimacy for the umpteenth time in a kind of obnoxious way I just smirk 16:04 I could see if the other monster were the same alignment, or lawful. But a chaotic elf shouldn't give a hoot 16:04 chaotic != evil 16:04 <{Demo}2> yeah I agree that it mostly doesn't make sense 16:05 in nethack, unaligned == evil 16:05 I agree, but chaotic usually means a certain tolerance of conflict 16:05 yeah 16:05 for example, chaotics are a-ok to sacrifice members of their own race 16:05 right, and i've brought this up before 16:05 some acts they can get away with could be considered evil 16:05 others arent 16:05 <{Demo}2> does peaceful anger take grudges into account? 16:06 prob not 16:06 <{Demo}2> like if I attack a friendly orc and a friendly elf sees is he gonna be mad 16:06 I was also an elf, so it didn't in my case 16:06 and vanilla doesnt really have any monster to monster grudges 16:06 YANI for grudge patch variants: add that exemption 16:07 <{Demo}2> I think peaceful angering when you attack peaceful should work more like grudges 16:07 <{Demo}2> where it's a whitelist 16:07 that'd be appropriate 16:07 <{Demo}2> like if attack an elf and something friendly to elves sees then it'll get mad 16:08 You bend Agnerog of Ultheror over. Avalon of the White Forest doesnt seem to mind. 16:08 or for the more general cases, same monster species - same monster class? same alignment? 16:08 I mean, the mechanic makes sense from a certain point of view. If a monster is peaceful, it doesn't consider the player a threat. But if it witnesses the player kill something in cold blood, that would change 16:09 side topic - unaligned should be a thing for the player 16:09 that is probably the devteam's reasoning 16:09 <{Demo}2> I bet if I attacked a peaceful dragon a human would get mad but little does he know that dragon was planning shit 16:09 K2: dnethack has the void 16:09 ahh 16:09 the militant 3.43 holdouts hate on the "other peacefuls getting angry when you attack a peaceful thing in 3.6 16:09 <{Demo}2> it's a shit change 16:09 waaa 16:09 <{Demo}2> 3.6 is generally way better than 3.4.3 16:09 does LarienTelrunya count as a militant 3.4.3 holdout or not 16:09 it can make your game unwinable if the quest leader sees you hit another peaceful 16:09 <{Demo}2> but damn are there some dumb changes 16:09 I think unaligned should remain unavailable to the player since it is generally a stand-in for "Moloch-aligned" 16:09 aosdict she's the leader 16:09 which the player should really never be 16:10 but she actually *plays* 3.6 16:10 not really 16:10 not if she can help it 16:10 and now you can do it "easily" by accident with stormbringer or whatever 16:10 but don't play with a weapon you can't handle, or be more careful around the quest leader 16:11 <{Demo}2> I can never remember what 3.6 does that makes me happy 16:11 it's kind of unrealistic for them to stand there while you attack things that have no problem with you and act like nothing is going on 16:12 Hekik: the game is a bit schizophrenic on unaligned; sometimes it does actually mean unaligned (e.g. unaligned artifacts) 16:12 <{Demo}2> only the things that annoy me 16:12 thats human nature 16:12 <{Demo}2> but I know there are a lot of big good things 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:26653 16:12 yes, if they fixed the quest problem then that would be much closer to a perfect mechanic 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26654 16:13 <{Demo}2> idk the dungeon is a dangerous place 16:13 <{Demo}2> if I saw someone get killed I'd be like oh shit better not fuck with the guy who killed him 16:14 <{Demo}2> basically this rule should only apply in towns or settlements 16:14 true. haha . lalalala i didn't see anything 16:14 <{Demo}2> but out on the mean streets of the dungeon. nah 16:14 and after he continues to murder 5 of your other friends that were also minding their own business...? 16:14 could have a test against monster level or something, either get enraged or flee 16:14 some of them *do* flee 16:14 they become non-peaceful but also fleeing 16:15 basically, self defense mode 16:15 but the fleeing will wear off eventually and then they will start to hunt you down 16:15 interesting, haven't seen that but then again I generally haven't gone around killing peacefuls like a jerk until now 16:15 that's more a limitation of nethack's AI than anything else 16:16 no state for "was fleeing, isn't fleeing now, but will still flee if the hero appears" 16:19 YANI: Rarely, a large box will be pre-named "Pandora's Box". It will contain a ton of good loot, but if you open it one of several overarching game mechanics is tweaked in a way that will make the game harder 16:26 -!- Frederic has joined #hardfought 16:30 !PoM 16:30 APic: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 7 days. 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:38370 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a gelatinous cube, on T:57443 16:31 wow a lot of visiting royalty in this throne room 16:31 an Elvenking, two gnome kings, several kobold lorda 16:31 lords* 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38443 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38505 16:33 I think the Elvenking was on the throne 16:33 good job ruining gnome diplomacy 16:33 they all banded together against me 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a water troll, on T:18806 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 68608 points, T:19253, killed by a Grey-elf 16:48 yay I tamed a shapeshifter 16:48 it was a little dog first, now an ettin 16:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Xaleth (Ran Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:713 16:52 thank you for the spoiler Beholder 17:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:37698 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] Xaleth (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 695 points, T:2229, killed by a pony 17:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:38277 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:28095 17:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Oona, on T:38565 17:20 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Ran Gno Mal Cha), 1250 points, T:2023, killed by a wolf 17:20 <{Demo}2> rip oona :( 17:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:38768 17:28 i'm never actually been able to train saber to basic as a monk.. this must have happened when i was crowned ?? I was never giften a saber (but i was wielding grayswandir the whole game) 17:28 sorry for typos. keyboard is messed up 17:29 <{Demo}2> saber is too similar to sober 17:29 it will unrestrict saber for me ? I always thought i had to be gifted werebane 17:29 <{Demo}2> and u could never train a monk to be sober 17:29 lol demo! 17:29 I guess it's because vorpal blade was already created ? 17:30 I'm NOT complaing, btw!!! I just didn't think it was possible 17:30 I hadn't even typed #enhance for thousands turns beause i had no idea 17:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:38920 17:39 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "very blessed historic empty fixed +5 dragonhide cloak of protection and drain resistance named Safecape by GehennomWear", on T:56326 17:40 (tm) 17:40 lol empty 17:40 well you aren;t in it yet 17:41 you wouldn't want the owner of that cape to come along with it, would you? 17:41 that happens in evilhack 17:42 of course it does 17:42 surely not for non-artifacts? 17:42 it came +0 :( 17:42 I know the owned artifacts patch is a thing 17:42 yeah it's artifacts only 17:44 if you're going K2-style +5 on everything, then +0 is expectable 17:45 i do wish +5 everything, and it works more often than you'd think 17:52 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "thoroughly uncursed fixed historic very magic marker named prop. of v. nabokov", on T:56361 18:01 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:9828 18:14 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Tou Hum Nbn Neu), 676 points, T:763, killed by a soldier ant 18:14 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 18:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:17 -!- Frederic has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:39050 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased wand of death", on T:39210 18:32 are there things I can give my archon to use? I've never tamed one before (thanks Vlad's!) 18:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 7155 points, T:5284, killed by a giant ant 18:34 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:39 <@Tone> They usually spawn with some pretty good stuff to begin with 18:40 <@Tone> Pets are kinda picky with equipment, it isn't always easy to get them to use specific items 18:40 he's kicking ass haha. yeah he spawned with sunsword. I just didn't know if i should be doing something else 18:41 <@Tone> Just don't let him get near any purple worms and he should be fine 18:41 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 18:41 <@Tone> Maybe a shield or amulet of reflection, I think they'll use those 18:41 i have a million wishes. i might get a few more. This guy was free. I never play with pets much 18:42 purple worms.. ahh. good point 18:42 see if he'll take a ring of slow digestion 18:43 prolly not but i'd give it a shot 18:43 for some reason i thouht they started with reflection but maybe not. i'll totally give him a shield/amulet if not 18:43 <@Tone> Yeah they usually start with them I think 18:46 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 18:48 oh no! he stepped onto a levelport trap 18:49 well, that will be fun when "jack" ruins my day when I'm running up with the amulet lol 18:49 wish for pit fiend eggs 18:51 hashtag #pitfiendeggs 18:51 * K2 lays the groundwork for pit fiends to be able to lay eggs in evilhack 18:53 in my defense, I had literally just fought a pit fiend from poly trap in the mines so it was on my mind, then I polypiled and got 20 pit viper eggs > put in ice box > misspoke 18:59 its hilarious 18:59 must make meme 19:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Law), 44407 points, T:10448, killed by an energy vortex 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:42235 19:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1087 19:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:1871 19:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:2151 19:22 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 19:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 19:29 hothraxxa: Monsters don't do anything with rings. No code for them getting effects from them exists. 19:30 K2: all you have to do is add M1_OVIPAROUS ;) 19:30 but we need pit fiend nests 19:30 and baby pit fiends 19:31 :P 19:34 are there a bunch of monsters in vanilla that start with pit ___ ? 19:34 just two 19:34 they both produce the "how pitiful" YAFMs 19:37 so not incredibly crazy for me to confuse their eggs... Obviously i know the difference between S and & and I get that demons don't lay eggs... but when you literally just fought pit fiend and then are polypiling and getting tins/eggs of everyting imagineable it's not that crazy of a mistake 19:38 when you're just reading the words all you see is 'pit'... 19:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Gnr-Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed the Great High Shaman of Kurtulmak, on T:4056 19:39 question for you experts- I messed up an ate a chameleon corpse. Turned into silver dragon (not too bad) and ripped my shirt and robe.. I replaced those and enchanted them back to where they were 19:39 but somehow i have lost AC in the process? 19:39 I still have the intrinsic protection when im naked 19:39 but i was like -47 before and now i'm like -41? 19:39 I can't figure it out 19:39 your SDSM turned back into scales I think 19:40 ahhhhh 19:40 thank you 19:40 !!! 19:40 yes 19:40 shit 19:41 i'm wearing +5 scales 19:41 can i fix that without evaporating? 19:41 it's not a big deal. It was just driving me crazy not knowing where it went 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58816 19:49 your best bet is to drain life at the scales until they're back to +3 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58822 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:58838 19:51 oh ok. I can do that... If I drain to three and blessed enchant armor they will harden? 19:52 you might not get +5 of course, but yes they'll harden 19:53 well, how did i go wrong in the first place then?? 19:53 oh i see. 19:53 nvm 19:53 I was thinking had reenchanted 19:53 i got it 19:53 ais523: Do you get +5 skin if your +5 DSM made you polymorph into a dragon? 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:58949 19:54 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 19:54 all fixed. thanks 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:58955 19:54 aosdict: not sure on the details 19:55 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4144 points, T:3884, killed by a gnome lady, while praying 19:58 I wore a +4 DSM and drank polymorph. My AC went from -3 to -1. 19:58 since -1 is the base AC for dragons, that probably means skin doesn't count at all 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:02 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:59935 20:07 YANI: generate some angels with a harp, which is usually mundane but rarely magic 20:08 I guess this only applies to capital-A Angels, since who heard of a ki-rin playing a harp? 20:10 <@riker> and I feel like archons can't be bothered to do that 20:10 also couatls lack the anatomy to play harps 20:11 <@riker> aleaxs should get one if you get one 20:13 y'all need to bring back the swap chest 20:13 TNNT this year will have the swap chest 20:16 i just wish i could give these 3 wands to somoene (oy myself!) 20:16 but i guess i will take my army of pit fiends and we will wish up some archons 20:17 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:17 i really DO have pit VIPER eggs ! 20:19 oh6 is always fun to watch 20:20 (and on astral now) 20:20 with like 5000 purple worms and cockatrice eggs 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:60250 20:22 congrats 20:22 traitor to your faith! 20:22 <@riker> > You were the Hand of Elbereth. 20:23 imagine how their god reacts to that 20:23 <@riker> hmmmm 20:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Cha), 1821975 points, T:60250, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1567351280.nh.html 20:23 it doesn't autoconvert into the Glory of Arioch then, interesting 20:24 Wonder if anyone's ever permaconverted on a high altar that wasn't theirs, then ascended on that altar. 20:25 thanks rebatela! 20:25 <@riker> I believe the crowning titles are stored as individual names, and your ucrowning event (or whatever it's called) is a different number corresponding to each title 20:25 I'm only fun to watch while on the ascension run - polypiling before that is crashing drudgery 20:30 nah. i have learned stuff. I don't sit here watching anyone play for long periods of time. but i do the same thing with the polypiling and turning rocks into food etc. 20:30 i'm getting laughed off IRC for thinking i had pit fiend eggs 20:32 i still haven't played around with "grenades"... But that's probably next. I didn't even know! 20:33 manufacturing them is a bit tedious but I never pass it up if have any way to do it 20:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] every1 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 20:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Tou Hum Mal Neu) was given the Rod of the Ram, on T:933 20:41 <@riker> first sacrifice, can't complain i guess 20:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2116 21:02 too bad the orb of fate is so heavy... 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed orb of fate", on T:43589 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed orb of fate", on T:43595 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43711 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12477 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43928 21:26 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 21:27 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 21:33 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:34 YANI: have the game give messages for worn gear becoming cursed or uncursed. For cursing, this is just the regular weld message; the opposite would be something like "Your boots are no longer welded to your feet". 21:35 ... Actually, is there even a message for putting on cursed gear? Add that too. 21:35 <{Demo}2> I've seen ones that say you feel cod 21:35 <{Demo}2> cold 21:35 i don't think there's a message 21:35 hence the "You can't take it off. It's cursed" 21:36 yeah, my thinking was make that obvious from the get-go 21:36 It's supposed to piss you off 21:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:38286 21:36 and surprise you 21:37 lke you go to take the gear off and the game gives you the snarky mesage 21:37 it's pretty trivial to check all your worn items for curses though 21:38 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 21:38 WHen you put on cursed gear at the beginning by accident? it doesn't self identify UNTIL you try to take it off 21:38 i think 21:38 that's current behavior yes 21:38 maybe it does. regardless, i think the idea is you go to take it off and are surprised 21:39 that's by design, man 21:39 meh, if a lich hits you with a curse items spell, players would probably want to know it got their boots and one ring rather than having to try and take off each thing 21:40 yeah.. i'm talking more about the early game. When you first start playing the game you try stuff on not knowing any better and then realize it raised your AC and go to take it off and YOU CAN'T!! 21:41 that's nethack 21:41 you start learning about curses real fast 21:42 yeah but spoiled players (ergo most players) who decide to try on unknown BUC armor will immediately have to try to take it off again and see if it's cursed 21:42 anyway, the original idea applied only to stuff becoming uncursed while you're wearing it 21:42 well if we're going to design the game with the idea that everyone's reading spoilers, it would all be different i suppose. 21:44 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Cthulhu, on T:100080 21:44 to me, that's like such a nethack thing. it's one of the first things you learn in the game if you just start playing it unspoiled. I used to only play priests because i didn't understand how it all worked 21:45 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:45 in this day and age, that's how it should probably go. For me, at least, maximizing the experience for unspoiled players < making the game nicer for spoiled players 21:45 plus I have the added benefit that PROBABLY no one's going to start playing xnethack before first playing regular nethack 21:45 yeah... hard to do though 21:46 when i first started playing hack/nethack it was like a urban legend whether anyone had ascended or not 21:47 spoilers were those .txt files but hard to get and from ftp etc. 21:47 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 21:48 I started playing around 2012 or so and got tired of unspoiled once I dead-ended in the valley not knowing there was a secret door I had to find 21:48 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:100137 21:49 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Cthulhu, on T:100148 21:49 played rogue first in like 87 or so and then hack not long after that. then i remember moria was around and then nethack. but i was just a kid like 10-12 and didn't play again until year or so ago 21:50 but there was no ascending going oon in the 80s 21:50 in rogue or hack/nethack 21:51 (because no spoilers) 21:51 certainly not a wiki lol 21:51 people source dove. that was it 21:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:39087 21:52 how about usenet? 21:52 people also source wrote on usenet 21:52 yep r.g.r.n used to be poppin 21:52 and thats how the soruce was distributed 21:53 but that place is full of a bunch of whiny losers these days.... it's sad 21:53 a lot of butthurt 3.43 players 21:54 <{Demo}2> more like true soldiers holding down the holy land 21:54 <{Demo}2> hahahahah 21:54 -!- Gaelan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54 sorry.. not one to judge people normally but that group depresses me so i avoid it. They all have attitudes and aren't all that good at nethack either 21:54 why wouldn't they just keep playing 3.4.3? 21:54 they do 21:54 i think 21:55 yeah, they do 21:55 rgrn seems to contain a lot of people answering questions (or offering advice) that could be easily looked up on the wiki 21:55 i browse it on google groups today for a bit. it seems they all play 3.43 and complain about "bad design" in 3.6 21:55 it's the elbereth nerf i'm assuming 21:56 <{Demo}2> if the elbereth nerf is what bothers u about 3.4.3 lol 21:56 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 21:56 <{Demo}2> i dont know what to tell you 21:56 <{Demo}2> theres so many better things to be bothered by 21:56 i'm not bothered by iit 21:56 <{Demo}2> yeah i mean in general 21:57 k 21:57 <{Demo}2> like if someone can look at 3.6 and be like "bad cause enerf" like what have u even looked at what else it does 21:57 incoming LarienTelrunya 21:57 <{Demo}2> im still not sure how i feel about speed randomization 21:57 <{Demo}2> the current implementation is kinda bad 21:58 <{Demo}2> but as a concept, it seems potentially good 21:58 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 332 points, T:1097, killed by a gas cloud 21:58 I had an idea for a speed system that I was going to do some analysis on 21:58 <{Demo}2> although i cant imagine what a "good" implementation would look like 21:58 <{Demo}2> you should 21:58 The thing is NO one will ever admit E nerf is the reason they play 3.43 21:58 {Demo}2: here are the bare bones 21:58 not sayin it is for everyone either 21:58 <{Demo}2> oh 21:59 i found 3.6 harder when it first came out for sure 21:59 <{Demo}2> oh yeah it sure is 21:59 just little things. it was definitely harder 22:00 <{Demo}2> the soko reverse is a big one of them 22:00 <{Demo}2> that im pretty ok with 22:01 keep an array of 12 bits. every 12 moves, set exactly (speed % 12) of those bits to 1, in random order. on your turn, you get (speed / 12) moves plus an extra move if the bit for this turn is 1. 22:01 do this separately for each monster of course. 22:02 maybe luxidream or you can tell me why this won't work :P 22:02 <{Demo}2> so this is almost like tie breaking? 22:03 how so? not how I thought of it initially 22:05 <{Demo}2> this isnt gonna stop you from being able to fully kite speed 6 things as a speed 12, or is it? 22:05 I was more going for "if you have 1/12 moves per turn, you should get 1 move in 12 turns" and also avoid the problem of "well I got lucky and rolled that 1/12 chance, now this lichen is chugging across the room" 22:07 a speed 6 monster will, over a 12-turn period, get exactly six moves, but the hero wouldn't know on what turns they'd get them 22:09 possibly they'd need to be out of phase with the turns that are multiples of 12, so you can't say "aha, it's T:23 but I've watched you spend all your moves, I HAVE YOU NOW MY PRETTY" 22:09 <{Demo}2> how would you jar and offset them? 22:09 <{Demo}2> so that you couldnt just gauge a monsters offset and go based on that 22:11 maybe monster id % 12 22:11 unless monster ids are sequential, in which case hash(monster id) % 12 22:11 <{Demo}2> monster ids are sequential iirc 22:11 <{Demo}2> would there be no way for the player to determine the state of the monsters speed? 22:11 if the offset/phase is distinct for each monster, I don't see a way that the player could figure it out just by watching the monster 22:11 <{Demo}2> I wish xnethack was a thing 22:11 <{Demo}2> like the original meaning 22:12 <{Demo}2> where its X changes for a bit and then tear it all down and do something new 22:12 <{Demo}2> ive thought a lot about the original concept and i still think it could work for something else (obivously not xnh cause its pretty well developed now) 22:12 yeah, problem is no one would want to play it without $favoritefeature 22:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3170 points, T:1490, killed by a minotaur 22:14 I think ultimately I decided early on that I wouldn't get enough people interested in playing "vanilla but with a couple key features changed" 22:15 they'd just play vanilla, and I wouldn't get any playtesting data 22:15 <{Demo}2> I don't know how interesting that is 22:16 <{Demo}2> it would be a lot more interesting to watch a small amount of people play some zany features than a slightly larger amount more regularly play some comfy features 22:17 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 22:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15768 22:27 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:32 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 22:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed helping hand", on T:39783 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:17135 22:45 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:101392 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:32972 22:48 YANI: The Wizard will only cast Double Trouble when he has been killed at least once. 22:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:33364 23:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) was given Whisperfeet, on T:40029 23:07 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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