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(www.adiirc.com)] 03:59 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 LarienTelrunya: elaborate? 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:00 bhaak: you know, Orion, peaceful centaur, "you have betrayed us and will forever be banned" blah blah blah :P 04:10 ah, that scenario 04:10 yeah, the "lol your game just became unwinnable because 3.6" "fun" scenario :D 04:11 it's always have been unwinnable since the quest has been added. not so sure about previously (besides the dick move of being instadead when entering hell) 04:11 *to become unwinnable 04:12 yeah but in 3.4.3 you can at least accidentally hit a peaceful monster without losing the game! 04:12 and 3.6 also butchered cleaver, so if you wield it as a barbarian around the quest leader and don't watch the hell out... goodbye 04:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:24211 04:15 3.6 made it so that the quest leader gets angry if they see you hitting peaceful monsters. 04:15 Maybe it's worth making it easier to pacify them, yeah. 04:15 3.6 made it so that every peaceful monster gets angry if they see you hitting peaceful monsters... without caring about the collateral damage side effect with the quest leader! 04:16 mm 04:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:21 i never got around to yanking to nethack the spork change allowing you to kill the quest leader. 04:21 paxed: now that would be a change I'd highly approve :) 04:21 okay, that's off the table then ... 04:22 lol 04:35 argh, zapped digging instead of striking at a bat and there was a shop wall behind it 04:40 It kind of makes sense that peacefuls shouldn't be oblivious to you killing things that aren't hostile to you. I bet the quest leader thing and making the game unwinnable was unintended though 04:48 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:52 the quest leader becoming hostile wouldn't be so bad if you could still win the game :P 04:53 even making him stronger than the nemesis, to punish players who accidentally anger him, would be fair game in my book 04:55 Neferet the Green, at least, is quite a lot stronger than the Dark One. 04:55 She can summon nasties. 04:55 yes but the Dark One is a wimp 04:55 If she gets a potion of gain level, she can also touch of death. 04:55 mm 04:56 Maybe you could argue that a level 1 Evoker is stronger than the Dark One (because they aren't vulnerable to a wand of death) 04:56 IIRC sporkhack buffed all the quest leaders to make it harder to gain entrance to the quest by killing them 04:56 I think quest nemeses shouldnt be scared by a scare of monster 04:56 wondering if spork also buffed Neferet then? 04:56 er, by a scroll of scare monster 04:56 mm 04:57 huh, apparently in spork Neferet loses her weapon attack and instead has two spellcasting attacks 04:57 but they are, I dropped one on the quest goal upstairs and could whack the Dark One with Magicbane without any risk 04:57 and she's slightly faster there 04:57 (2-3 whacks did for him) 04:57 Neferet the Green had a weapon attack? 04:57 what weapon? 04:58 according to https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Neferet_the_Green , yes 04:58 Ah 04:58 She doesn't even have a weapon. 04:58 yeah, she's just capable of using one if she finds one 04:58 why is it 1d6 then, doesnt that depend on the weapon? 04:58 if she doesn't have a weapon, the attack does 1d6 04:59 I think it's 1d6 plus whatever the weapon would do. 04:59 also wow, some quest leaders were buffed spectacularly in spork, the norn for example does 2x 4d10 04:59 Which is why dwarves can beat you up with a bow so effectively. 04:59 That's a lot 05:00 and some of them were given spellcasting power, Shaman Karnov for example (who only has a weapon attack in vanilla) 05:00 wondering whether you can wand of death them in spork though 05:08 raisse: I believe that's a 3.6 thing that came with the elbereth changes.. I don't think scrolls of scare monster worked on quest nemeses in 3.43? 05:08 They worked on the ones that respected Elbereth 05:08 I think. 05:08 master kaen used to be HARD, but now you can drop scroll on staircase like you said 05:08 I never used scrolls of scare monster in 3.4.3! 05:09 I just ate his brain 05:09 in 3.6 you can wand of death Kaen because the artifact no longer gives him resistance :P 05:09 yes, in 3.4.3 a scroll of scare monster was just a flimsy piece of paper with Elbereth written on it 05:09 There was a polymorph trap right next to the stairs. 05:09 Mm 05:09 lol did he trip it? 05:09 and of course the Dark One is a joke now. 05:09 always was, really 05:09 At least they had magic resistance. 05:09 like Lord Surtur, his drawbridges are more dangerous than he is 05:10 Well, it was actually on the level above Master Kaen's lair, in the same room as the downstairs. 05:10 although there's lots of traps in monk quest and if you drop down and you're not on stair case, you can get stuck if your plan was to drop the scroll on stairs and slap him to death... So i always make sure i have an escape plan 05:11 I once had Hippocrates step on a poly trap in his throne room and turn into a dog 05:11 after he opened the quest for me, fortunately 05:11 wanted to tame him on the way back but that was the time the Cyclops got me 05:11 Hippocrates Princessa 05:12 ouch 05:12 he didn;t keep his name, it was just an anonymous dog 05:12 lol, a mind flayer killed me in the mines, but not by sucking my brain, merely with a wand of magic missile 05:13 I was running away so he also killed 2 gnomes and a dwarf as collateral damage 05:15 Come to think of it, I didn't even know about scare monster in 3.43 either. 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Yendor, on T:73242 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:73243 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2725 points, T:2753, killed by a white unicorn 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:34264 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:34274 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:73424 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37032 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34496 12:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Inc Mal Cha) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:19631 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:34544 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:73704 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:73706 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:34842 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:35281 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:35290 13:06 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 13:12 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed corroded +1 long sword on an altar, on T:3192 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:75366 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:5993 13:28 -!- Frederic has joined #hardfought 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:75914 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:76095 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 427 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39767 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2283 points, T:1386, killed by a soldier ant, while sleeping 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:76186 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41399 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:40429 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:8044 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3206316 points, T:76237, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bliss56/nethack/dumplog/1567277877.nh.html 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:41909 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:41911 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:41929 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:42033 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:42035 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7139 points, T:8919, killed by a wolf, while praying 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:42594 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12284 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:42803 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:42968 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:42979 14:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1848363 points, T:42992, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/nethack/dumplog/1567446178.nh.html 14:38 phew... finally was patient enough to actually get weaponless conduct lol 14:38 usually hit something with pickaxe.. 14:40 <@ShivanHunter> Go team @! 14:40 grats rebatela 14:40 ty 14:40 helps being able to cast dig at 0% fail 14:41 what an awesome spell. I usually don't bother to learn it 14:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:28514 14:48 now on to evilhack... 14:50 grats rebatela 14:51 <@ShivanHunter> evilhack ftw :P 14:51 seems pretty popular for being so evil :) 14:52 :) 14:54 <@ShivanHunter> I still maintain that it removes the mysterious force and is therefore Goodhack 14:55 * aosdict mumbles something about xnethack having no mysterious force since 2017 14:55 <@ShivanHunter> lol xnethack is cool too! 14:59 i dont think any variant has the mysterious force anymore 15:02 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1103 points, T:2232, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 15:03 hey s/he finally moved on to another role 15:03 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:04 i hate the mysterious force like everyone else, but i don't know if i agree with it being removed 15:04 i mean... I guess it's good for variants to remove it because i don't think vanilla ever will 15:05 but i feel getting stressed out by it on the run up with the amulet is supposed to add to the end game being hard 15:05 I plan to add other things eventually to stress you out on the way back up, like the dungeon starting to fall apart 15:05 I think splice did that already at some point with random earthquakes? but not destructive enough 15:07 unnethack has earthquake effects as one of rodneys curses 15:09 had such a weird dungeon in that game... seemed to be a scroll/potion shortage, no altar in dungeon, no early wish, no MR found, then wand was 0:1 of course, etc. etc. But somehow i ended up with like 15 cursed gain level potions lol 15:10 i mean.. i made some with alchemy, but still usually levitation/enlightenment are super rare 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:29220 15:13 -!- ProzacElf__ has joined #hardfought 15:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:16 sporkhack/evilhack significantly increases the monster spawn rate on your trip back up with the AoY 15:16 so the force is gone, but its still not an easy ride up 15:16 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:18 -!- ProzacElf__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:26 most likely going to play monk, but i'm intrigued by this pseudodragn?? that the wizard starts with? 15:26 do they stay alive? 15:27 <@ShivanHunter> they stay alive until something kills them and they're OP as hell 15:28 <@ShivanHunter> a couple levels after it becomes an ancient pseudodragon it can attack and effortlessly kill shopkeepers 15:29 how differently does a wizard with psuedodragon play versus a wizard that plays with !pet 15:29 <@ShivanHunter> train it up in the mines, kill shopkeepers by turn 2000 or so, get prot 15:30 <@ShivanHunter> and if you get a magic whistle you've basically won 15:30 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 15:30 <@ShivanHunter> although if you get it killed you can't get another one (except by wishing or something), they don't spawn naturally 15:33 maybe there is a problem where it can grow up to become "ancient" within 2000 turns 15:34 <@ShivanHunter> lol 15:34 <@ShivanHunter> yeah IMO it would be a lot better/less broken if it just took a lot longer 15:35 or become ancient by simple dint of killing hapless gnomes 15:39 yeah, well that's why i asked how easily they die. I had read that they aren't really replaceable by finding one 15:40 and i have also heard that normal pets are pretty squishy 15:40 they few times i've played, my dog/cat didn't make it very far lol 15:40 that's a cool idea though. Early game for wizard (even in vanilla) is too hard 15:41 but once you survive you're crazy OP 15:42 That's why i like monks though... Good fighters in the early game but then you can cast everything eventually (although no hungerless casting and no writing unkown spell books) 15:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 32269 points, T:15335, killed by a bolt of fire 15:47 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2941 points, T:3712, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:06 congrats, rebatela! Weaponless ascensions are really hard for me in vanilla because of the accidental pickaxeing 16:07 bouquet, I saw your glowing reddit review of my anti-weaponless system... it's not THAT great... 16:08 ^ thats true 16:08 :P 16:09 It's a topic I feel pretty strongly about so I actually posted something besides my simple 17 step guide to ascend. 16:10 I've never accidentally hit anyone with an actual weapon. For everyone it's always the damn pickaxe 16:10 i think its cool that there's a variant that allows players some paranoid options 16:11 however, having that on should disable the weaponless conduct, as it completely invalidates it 16:11 I'd argue my point, but I'min a conference call :P 16:12 hahah 16:13 realigning our paradigms to seamlessly embrace out-of-the-box channels 16:13 K2: doesn't that equate to "the point of the weaponless conduct is to successfully avoid the interface screw of forgetting you're wielding a weapon"? 16:14 a conduct is something you earn and had to work for/discipline yourself to achieve. it shouldnt be a set it and forget it option 16:15 imo 16:15 there's still a valid reason for a monk to actually attack with weapons... if they can't cut it as a weaponless monk. Not because they stepped away for a second while digging a tunnel and forgot to unwield their TOOL pickaxe. 16:15 see: discipline 16:15 interface screw disguised as "discipline" IMO 16:16 thats not an interface screw 16:16 the point of weaponless is to make the game harder for yourself by denying yourself the extra damage, artifacts, etc that you can get with weapons 16:16 I think xnh handles it well. Only kicks in after a certain score. 16:17 There is a camp of nethack players that likes being able to typo into lava because they feel the game should reward the discipline of not typoing into it 16:17 <--- this guy 16:18 progress through suffering 16:18 hit me again Ike, and put some stank on it! 16:19 :P 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24501 16:21 bouqet: thanks!! yeah, I almost always play weaponless unless I find grayswandir in bones or get magicbane etc. But i rarely get the conduct for that exact reason (accidental pickaxe hit) 16:21 it's just too easy to do in gehennom unless you put the pickaxe in bag 16:22 rebatela: my last vanilla monk astralsplatted on purpose because I accidentally broke weaponless and just couldn't be bothered to wrap it up. Ennui happened. 16:23 oh man 16:23 bouquet :( 16:24 I kinda wish astralsplats were tracked on xd.cm. I've had quite a few the last year. I'm quite proud of them :) 16:24 ^ and that's what happens if you design your conducts around out-of-game discipline :P 16:24 aosdict: what's the point of the lava if you cant typo into it and die? (I guess i'm in that camp you're describing lol). It's just decoration then? 16:24 hah 16:25 I think we need to consider conduct separate from stepping in water/lava. 16:25 it's an obstacle for sure, which you can bypass with usual cleverness like levitation or fireproof WW 16:25 you can also (in some variants) blast monsters out over it and laugh at their demise 16:26 (these variants also tend to allow YOU to be blasted out over it as the monsters laugh at your demise...) 16:26 i mean, i step into water more frequently than I'm proud of.... Blanking scrolls/diluting potions.. I've done it on the water plane a bunch of times and lost all my full healings/scrolls etc. 16:27 but I feel like if the game asked me If i was sure i wanted to do that, it would defeat the whole point.. And people will say they have "fat fingers", but i really think it's just playing too fast (carelessly) 16:29 I aim to get rid of people accidentally ruining a lot of the hard work they're doing by hitting one wrong key 16:29 aosdict creates 'win mode' for xnethack 16:30 start game, push button, game plays itself and wins 16:30 <@ShivanHunter> @"_ 16:30 yep. I get it. But i don't think you'll ever see that in vanilla because a wrong key getting you killed and losing all your hard work or like doing something dumb with a 'c' corpse and you're suddenly dead... It makes ascending more of an achievment IMO 16:31 K2: but you won't get put on the high score list in win mode 16:31 aosdict we're like ying and yang. you cater towards comfort and convenience, I cater to those who feel they need to be punished for things they havent done yet 16:32 rebatela: that's true, but the higher priority for me is to minimize the amount of people who say "screw this game, I'm never playing it again" 16:32 you guys have slipped down the slippery slope. I'm only talking about accidentally hitting with a pickaxe :) 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an iron golem, on T:11306 16:33 yep. like i said, I get it. I'm just in the other camp. I think maybe it's because i've died SO much from all that stuff, and I've blown the weaponless conduct so many times etc. 16:33 lol aosdict... you missed JarlEarl's meltdown here about a month ago 16:33 ahahaha 16:33 an exploding door put him over the edge 16:34 epic rage quit keyboard smash 16:34 * aosdict summons aosdict|log to bring the logs 16:35 havent seen him since 16:35 :/ 16:36 yeah, that? that's what I don't want to happen 16:37 well.. if you get that worked up over a game, its not the devs fault 16:37 we like to call it 'anger managemrnt issues' 16:37 good thing it was evilhack. I thought you meant he melted down over xnh :D 16:37 oh no lol 16:37 that could never happen 16:38 i understand his frustration though... i've astral splatted on sporkhack probably... 6 times? 16:38 i keep a spare keybard handy 'just in case' 16:39 *keyboard 16:40 keybard: new slex role 16:41 noooo 16:41 i am numb to astral splats now 16:41 thanks k2 16:41 LarienTelrunya avert your eyes! 16:41 <{Demo}2> I like the fuck you approach more cause it's funnier for me to watch 16:41 special weapon proficiency: keytar synth 16:41 <{Demo}2> one day I want to reach numbness to Astral splats 16:41 glad to be of service hothraxxa 16:42 hothraxxa: did you finish that grunthack game yet? 16:42 no. i'm currently a yellow dragon at vlad's 16:43 ah 16:43 i fucked up royally twice in the space of an hour 16:43 how did you lose MR and get poly'd? 16:43 so a game that should have been won easily is now pretty difficult 16:44 well i stepped in lava and lost my boh because i was careless and didn't fooproof it 16:44 you should add paranoid lava, btw 16:44 no 16:44 so then i got another boh from a player monster and when i was puttting everything in it i put in all amulets, including the eye 16:45 oh no... 16:45 you still have the eye though right? 16:45 then i ran into a vampire mage and swapped out magicbane for a silver dagger. oops 16:45 yes vut i can't take it out of the bag, i'm a dragon 16:45 * K2 imagines t-rex hands 16:46 anyway, not sure how to continue. i don't think grunt vlad will like acid breath 16:46 however i lost my cloak so i have no drain resistance 16:47 dragons can engulf in gh 16:47 so this might be easier than you think 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:26979 16:47 yeah i know. taking that into consideration 16:47 if this were D&D the DM would definitely let vlad drain you from inside your stomach 16:48 heh 16:48 talk about indigestion... 16:48 if this were evilhack he'd whack me with lifestealer, engulfed or not 16:48 i have no mr though, can't wield magicbane 16:49 anyway thinking this through has stopped my game in its tracks 16:49 maybe leave vlad's tower and come back with better gear? 16:49 or are you stuck 16:49 YANI (for grunt/evil/anything with dragons that eat you): yellow dragons that swallow the player digest them much faster. because, y'know, acid. 16:49 also, i lost all my scrolls and potions. i have a 0"0 /ow and no charging scroll 16:50 aosdict: i debated having a dragons breath attack affect the player while engulfed. but then imagining the outcry from that, decided nope 16:51 being digested is no joke in its own right 16:51 good enough 16:52 ok time to get the kid, see you all in a bit 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:27521 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism by offering a hill orc corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:13190 17:04 -!- Frederic has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:13269 17:13 @luxidream thanks for the service you provide in pointing out abusable mechanics in ideas :) 17:14 <{Demo}2> ooh what can I abuse in xnh? 17:21 he was pointing out a problem in someone else's YANI on the wiki 17:26 <{Demo}2> oh damn :P 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38991 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38993 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:39017 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:39096 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:32400 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] rootkit (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32403 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39099 17:41 {Demo}2: At a couple points on the trail, I thought up an idea, then thought "I should DEFINITELY run this by luxidream - there's some way it can be abused but I'm not quite sure how" 17:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 90 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:43299 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:40185 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:44495 18:02 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:49258 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:13610 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:41120 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45354 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45362 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:41360 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Death, on T:41411 18:15 woooo 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:41469 18:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2229776 points, T:41485, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/nethack/dumplog/1567287161.nh.html 18:20 <@riker> congrats eraserhead 18:23 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law), 1356 points, T:2296, killed by a pony 18:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law), 382 points, T:1189, killed by a small mimic 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] asdf (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 632 points, T:2746, killed by a giant spider 18:39 <@luxidream> Demo{2} I don't think aosdict ever got around to increasing shk levels by one so there's still an exploit in xnh :p 18:40 remind me of the exploit 18:40 does it have to do with the pet 100% health thing 18:42 <@luxidream> large dog/cat at 72 HP can attack shopkeepers at full health but won't at any other amount 18:42 <@luxidream> so you can spam the healing spell with just a large dog and kill any shk 18:43 what does 72 have to do with it 18:43 <@luxidream> oh that's max level for a dog/cat 18:44 <@luxidream> so that would be level 9 18:44 . o O (I'd rather keep my source of price-ID and just steal what I need) 18:45 <@luxidream> well, protection money 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2054 points, T:3504, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bliss56 (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 8579 points, T:11393, killed by an air elemental 19:00 [hdf-us] [slex] lelle (Che Alc Mal Law), 127 points, T:277, poisoned by a cyanide potion 19:08 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:50212 19:08 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:50213 19:09 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:12 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:50256 19:13 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 19:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 19:14 wooo go hothraxxa 19:19 i'm still down 7 levels thanks to that bastard, stun-locked me and whacked me with his thirsty polearm :( 19:20 YANI: thirsty weapons sometimes gain enchantment when they drain a level. 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] AntiVirus (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15523 19:27 <@luxidream> throwing stormbringer intensifies 19:31 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 19:56 <@luxidream> oh Pinkbeast: I think you wanted to change something in the artifact weapon page? 19:56 <@luxidream> it's been unprotected 19:57 luxi: Thanks; I made the edits. 19:58 <@luxidream> oh, I missed that : ) 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:02 <@malor> !who 20:02 @malor: [hdf-us] Bliss56 [nh363] | [hdf-eu] asdf [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 20:05 luxi: There was a lot of confusion at the time. :-) 20:07 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 20:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 20:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 flying boots", on T:28941 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] simpleliquid (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47809 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] simpleliquid (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47819 20:41 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 20:41 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:01 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 21:06 !who 21:06 K2: [hdf-us] malor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:13 xNetHack updated (all servers) 21:13 ^ latest devteam bits, some xnh specific bug fixes 21:14 ^^ aosdict 21:14 I am here 21:14 lies 21:15 you've been gone for so long... i dont know what to believe anymore 21:15 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 21:15 stop toying with my emotions 21:16 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:20 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Clk Mal Law), 3667 points, T:1737, killed by a shocking sphere 21:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Hlf Mal Law), 9 points, T:17, killed by a water moccasin 21:46 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:47 Oh, god, here we go 21:47 did he strike again? 21:47 -!- magicbymccauley [458f7610@c-69-143-118-16.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined 21:47 #nethackwiki 21:47 Whoops, mispaste 21:47 ilbelkyr 21:48 <@riker> godspeed pinkbeast 21:49 i keep forgetting there's a wiki channel 21:50 * Pinkbeast keeps quiet and mutters "there's nobody here but us cockatrices" 21:50 :) 21:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:56 This has all been worth it since I've just found https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Forum:NetHack_Book which er. Err. 21:58 heh 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:324 22:05 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:09 At $3 I'm seriously tempted by this book, I suspect it would more than provide $3 of amusement, but it seems cracking it wouldn't be easy :-/ 22:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Inc Mal Cha) killed Sara, the Last Oracle, on T:31643 22:09 there's no drm on it 22:10 Hmmm 22:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Inc Mal Cha) averted death, on T:31657 22:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ana Inc Mal Cha), 770958 points, T:31661, killed by an uvuudaum 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 713 points, T:1758, killed by a killer bee, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 292 points, T:1068, killed by a falling rock 22:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:507 22:42 !lastgame malor 22:42 Chris_ANG: Message from K2 at 2019-09-02 11:40 EDT: dnethack 3.18.0 is live on hdf-us, will work on other 2 servers throughout the day 22:42 Chris_ANG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1567440629.dnh.txt 22:42 <@IceCuños> good luck pinkbeast just know we're all rooting for you 22:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2104 points, T:1898, killed by a dwarf 22:44 That's very kind but presently I'm doing nothing and hoping the problem goes away, & it's probably bcode's problem anyway :-) 22:58 <@luxidream> ahaha 22:58 <@luxidream> a book?! 22:59 <@luxidream> If you get it please share 22:59 <@luxidream> I have to see this 22:59 <@luxidream> Oh I thought magicby was writing a book 23:02 I'd get the audiobook if it was narrated by William Shatner. 23:02 or Gilbert Gottfried 23:03 <@luxidream> Pinkbeast: did I miss him 23:04 <@luxidream> I don’t see any walls of text coming up on #nethackwiki 23:04 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 23:07 or did bcode never respond to him lol 23:08 bcode didn't, whether AFK or hiding; I suspect something will set off the flood 23:11 I wonder if he can yell as loudly in IRC as he does in the talk pages 23:15 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 23:19 i think ilbelkyr is sleeping, it's like 5am where they live 23:22 damn 23:22 what did i miss exactly 23:23 (in regards to the magicbymccauley saga) 23:23 Nothing at all. Turned up in #nethackwiki, said "ilbelkyr", we all kept quiet. 23:23 oh 23:24 I was tempted to give him a quiet corner of the wiki, but pinkbeast convinced me against it 23:24 As you can see now, he wouldn't have settled for that corner :/ 23:25 yeah 23:26 <{Demo}2> elbereth 23:26 https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Strategy&diff=prev&oldid=127450 ? I thought it was a prudent decision to undo that but I don't remember convincing you. Apparently I'm just very convincing. :-) 23:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 598 points, T:2290, killed by Ms. Massis; the shopkeeper 23:37 um 23:37 so anytime there's an edit to the wiki, a message is displayed in #nethackwiki ? 23:38 Yes 23:39 well shit 23:39 I can only imagine what the war looked like 23:39 so all those little typo edits i've been doing in evilhack are spamming that channel? 23:39 *evilhack wiki page 23:39 I don't know if minor edits are reported 23:40 hope not 23:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Inc Mal Cha), 24908 points, T:4169, killed by a bolt of fire 23:41 I found a capitalization error, let's test it 23:41 :) 23:41 I think minor edits are reported but ICBW. 23:42 yep there it is 23:42 awesome 23:42 Based on WP experience, if any kind of reporting tool excludes minor edits the result is that minor edits are used almost entirely to hide misuse. So they don't and the minor edit facility is useless. :-/ 23:43 maybe minor edits could be under some character limit? 23:43 that could still result in vandalism though 23:43 Looking At You People Who Capitalize Every Word In NetHack 23:44 :) 23:45 watching the fuzzer in action is kinda neat fyi 23:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:46 K2: The Angband Borg's really hypnotic 23:46 heh 23:46 resistance is futile 23:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:102307 23:49 q 23:49 oops 23:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:51 qoops 23:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:102515