00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 game is recovered fyi 00:00 Oh, and one thing before I forget: I have not had partially burnt corpses lately, butr I had a partially burnt food ration yesterday. 00:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:00 how'd it taste? 00:01 Buirned food really bothers me. My tongue is very sensitive to it. 00:01 Suprt bitter on my tongue. 00:01 Always pissed my dad off growing up. 00:01 He always made burnt burgers and dogs. 00:02 He said they were fine, but me it tasted like bitter charcoal. 00:02 oh hey this isnt me this time 00:02 this is from a very recent devteam update to 3.6.3 00:03 Interesting. Such a simple thing. Picking up items and a crash? 00:04 no 00:04 something started to fire arrows (or was about to) 00:04 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/31c80383447ad3332f893724deff600efb648132 00:04 line 189, that change right there 00:04 Oh. 00:05 that's what the coredump shows the error occurring 00:05 Also, if you have time I have a couple of ideas for summon nasties with pets. 00:06 sure 00:06 There are many times where I am fighting a bugbear or pony and suddenly monsters appear from nowhere?Did we really need a minotaur, a blue dragon, a jabberwock, and ogre king and a iron golem to fight a bugbear?! 00:06 Only summon if attacking other nasties? 00:07 thats vanilla behavior fyi 00:07 Not sure if that could be coded. Is it similar to pets knowing what they are fighting? Like pets not attacking cockatrices? 00:07 there had to have been another high level spellcaster nearby 00:09 Limit it to an emergency spell? Lower HP cast only? 00:09 so you want me to make the game easier 00:09 No, not at all. 00:09 are you sure? :) 00:09 it really sounded like it to me 00:09 'please berf summon nasties' 00:10 nerf even 00:10 Pretty sure pets don't summon nasties in vanilla? 00:10 Well there is fair. Games should be fun. 00:10 Summon nasties is waaaaay to OP for the *player*. 00:10 Unless confused 00:10 mm 00:10 This is from our other conversation regarding pets not monsters! 00:10 Andrio a tame titan will summon nasties and they're all tame 00:11 JarlEarl oh i see 00:11 you're complaining about your pet spellcaster casting summon nasties when you're fighting a weak monster 00:12 There are times I am fighting simple monsters and pets still summon nasties when i is not necessary. 00:12 Complaining? No. 00:12 Trying to help a problem that is way too OP for the player. 00:12 :P 00:12 [citation needed] 00:12 i've been trying to find a way so that when a tame spellcaster monster summons nasties, not all of the summoned monsters are tame, or even peaceful 00:13 so far no luck 00:13 Hey , I love playing playing pacifists, and I *want* this nerfed for the player? 00:13 <@riker> k2: why not just to the "they dissapear in a bit" 00:13 <@riker> like dnh 00:13 i have no idea what dnh does 00:14 i've played that game seriously maybe 5 times 00:14 <@riker> tame summon nasties will make tame monsters that will disappear in like 10+rnd(10) or something like that 00:14 <@riker> works pretty well IMO 00:14 interesting 00:14 they're all temps 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 525 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:92913 00:14 prob not paid enough... peace out! 00:15 K2, are you talking about a variant? 00:16 because, well... https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6/src/wizard.c#L606 00:17 L607 00:17 set_malign(mtmp) 00:17 fire up vanilla in wizmode, make a tame pet titan, make some hostiles and watch ;) 00:18 There should be a way to keep a summoned nasty if you want it. Zap a wand of locking at it?> 00:18 Give it an amulet of unchanging? 00:18 bribe it 00:18 (so it does not diappear) 00:18 hug it and pet it and name it George 00:19 Pet interactions would super kee. 00:19 ^super keen 00:20 Any thought about implementing pet armor from other variants? 00:20 set_malign doesn't affect tameness 00:20 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 00:21 and it didn't do the thing 00:21 ok one sec 00:23 Wands of locking are rare enough to were it would not be terribly OP. There are some games I never find one, or if I do it is only 1, maybe 2. 00:23 What about the wizard lock spell? 00:23 Or indeed charm monster 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:93676 00:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:26 Ah, yes, charm monster. May be too easy. I just think it would neat. Solves the problem of being OP with pet summon nasties (disappearing over time). And, yet, keep one of the summoned nasty is you want it. 00:26 How about it only works if it *is* the wand. If you try the spell you get some weird message. 00:27 Wands of locking are quite uncommon, even rare. 00:27 It "locks" the summoned nasty in place. 00:27 Wand of paralysis 00:29 That would create a lot of character deaths! Especially if it acts like a floating eye. 00:29 of course i cant get a vanilla titan to cast summon nasties 00:30 K2: I was about to ask the question you just answered. 00:30 My pet titans have never summoned anything. 00:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:30 or pet chameleons 00:31 i wonder if i had edited something way back 00:31 and i just dont remember 00:31 src/mcastu.c has been edited a lot 00:32 lets have a look 00:33 git diff 00:34 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 00:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 00:35 !tell ais523 Congrats on the SMB3 TAS. That was incredible. 00:35 I'm on it, AntiGulp. 00:37 so in vanilla summon nasties can be cast by slightly weaker spellcaster monsters than in evilhack 00:37 lvl 15 vs 16 00:37 heya antigulp 00:37 Hiya! 00:39 Hey. 00:39 Hello Andrio, Welcome to #hardfought 00:39 hah 00:39 found it 00:39 \o/ 00:41 ok so... added this way back right after new years, months before evilhack went live 00:41 grunthacks intelligent pet code 00:41 Grunthack’s intelligent pet code can break some stuff. I’ve had to debug several parts of it for Splice. 00:42 spell_would_be_useless() in src/mcastu.c prevents tame monsters from casting summon nasties 00:42 AntiGulp yeah same 00:42 i've made changes since then 00:42 but mspell_would_be_useless() was added 00:42 By the way, K2: https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/commit/3de7a4b88bb02eef6ff868dd52e50eb7d830f1ae 00:43 and there's nothing in there preventing your tame pet from using summon nasties 00:43 Small code improvement to the monster steed fix. 00:43 sweet 00:43 oh i see 00:43 i had it like that initially and i must have over-thought it 00:43 It happens to all of us! :) 00:43 me more than most :P 00:44 good catch, thank you! 00:44 NP 00:44 ok so... hmm 00:44 HMM 00:44 I’m going to try adding a massive feature to Splice in the next few weeks. May be awesome, or utterly destroy balance. Jury is out. 00:44 tame pets summoning nasties is OP 00:44 but evilhack is harder 00:44 but 00:45 Tame summon nasties seems *really* OP 00:45 all of the sudden having dragons and jabberwocks and such all tame in one turn... 00:45 yeah i need to address that 00:45 I apologize, i thought you could do this in vanilla 00:45 Andrio 00:46 JarlEarl 00:46 * K2 shakes his fists at the RNG 00:47 ok now i want to see if i can recreate JarlEarl's crash 00:48 I’m trying to map out whether Splice extinctionist is possible and I’m not sure 00:48 Maybe limit the amount of nasties summoned and the rate at which it *can* be summoned. Summon only 1. Spell needs to recharge for d100 turns. 00:49 [EvilHack Opinion] Is it worth a weight of 231 for a silver lance? So excited my knight found one, but damn. I could mow through demons and undead. 00:49 clerical based monster spell summon minion summons just the one elemental 00:49 Thinking of enchanting it up ... not sure though. 00:50 maybe do something on the wiz side 00:50 that is similar 00:50 Whoa. Did not know there was summon minion. Cool. 00:50 i dunno 00:50 yeah i added it awhile back 00:50 sporkhack thing if i recall 00:51 the minion summoned is based off of the monsters alignment 00:51 elemental is neutral 00:51 angel type if lawful 00:51 demon if chaotic 00:52 or non aligned (priest of moloch) 00:52 But with limitations, or is it level-based? 00:52 Can one get balrogs or Archons? 00:52 all monster spells are elvel based 00:52 level 00:52 no its not that powerful 00:52 neither are part of the minions list 00:53 Oh, OK. Just so used to Slash'EM minions. Solars and Planetars for the win! 00:53 i have a few things to fix tonight now hah 00:53 ok brb, i want to address your crash first JarlEarl 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 538 points, T:1198, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Kop Sergeant, while reading a book 00:55 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 00:56 \o/ 00:56 just recreated your crash in vanilla JarlEarl 00:57 * Andrio offers K2 pats. 00:58 yup there it is 00:58 src/mthrowu.c line 189 00:58 ok drafting a bug report to the devteam 01:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 01:01 So, is it intended behavior that chaotic knights cannot nurse dance? 01:01 huh? 01:01 Other chaotics cannot nurse dance, but evil knights cannot? 01:02 Other chaotics *can* (oops!) nurse dance, but evil knights cannot? 01:02 EvilHack: one can play a chaotic knight. 01:03 I was completely naked and not wielding anything and she kept hitting me, but not giving any additional HPs. 01:04 In todays world thats sexist! How bad of me. "She." Hee. :"> S/he. 01:05 ah. 01:06 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:06 Are they saying 'I hope you don't mind'? How much HP do you have currently? 01:09 Oh, I know how all of that works. If you have too many HPs it does not work. 01:10 Yeah 01:10 But I don't see any code that cares about your role or alignment. 01:10 It was a question directed towards K2 if this was intended behavior. No healing or rest for wicked, perhaps? 01:10 i didnt mess with nurses at all 01:10 Weird. 01:10 chaotic knight can nurse dance 01:11 no armor, no wielded weapon? 01:11 no conflict? 01:11 I was naked and not wearing anything. She was hitting for damage. 01:11 bug report sent to devteam about your crash JarlEarl 01:11 Not wielding anything. 01:11 Was she cancelled? 01:11 No conflict. 01:12 She was newly generated. Do they generate cancelled? 01:12 no 01:12 That'd be kinda evil 01:12 did this just happen? 01:12 Were you polymorphed? Had you ever polymorphed? 01:12 No, this was a few days ago. 01:13 Just one of theose "weird behaviors" I had to ask about. 01:13 Mm 01:14 i just nurse danced with a dark knight 01:14 Was not a chameleon or doppleganger. Left a nurse corpse. I tinned and ate just to see whayt would happen/ 01:14 maybe another monster cast aggravate monster 01:14 on you 01:15 Can one get HP from a chameleon or Dopplegnager while they are nurses? 01:15 Pretty sure those can't turn into nurses anyway. 01:15 But I believe you would. 01:15 I'll look and see if I can find the ttyrec. 01:15 yeah please 01:15 i just tested it, its not broken 01:16 Would be interesting to know what happened. I wanted to reverse geno nurses but was hesitant. 01:16 Don't forget to disrobe 01:16 Good to know. My lat nurse dance party netted something like 150 HP! I never get that much! (until then!) 01:17 Wow, nice 01:17 That wasn't with just one scroll, was it? 01:17 Yeah, because if you don't they'll whack the shit out of you until your are naked! 01:17 Necrophiles 01:18 One scroll, yes. There were 3 nurses that took *forever*to disappear. 01:18 Also don't forget to wield your weapon again and punch a cockatrice. 01:18 * Andrio died that way more than once 01:18 heh 01:18 I usually do it while blind. and WATCH for a cocks and chicks! 01:19 And ususally in Sokoban. 01:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:22 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:24 ok 2 down one to go 01:24 (for now) 01:30 <@riker> !w!who 01:30 <@riker> !who 01:30 @riker: [hdf-us] Karnac [nh363] Dragon [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 02:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 02:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:32 !who 02:32 K2: [hdf-us] Dragon [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:32 JarlEarl, patching evilhack now 02:33 So, I should quit, eh? 02:33 just save and reload 02:33 good to go 02:33 Ohh.... yeah! Saaaave.... not #quit? :D 02:33 hah 02:34 EvilHack updated (all servers) 02:34 ^ small batch of bugfixes 02:35 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commits/master <---- last four is what was just applied 02:38 gnite all 03:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 03:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 03:36 -!- JarlEarl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 05:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Dragon (Arc Dwa Mal Law) destroyed mightyquinn's ghost, the former Embalmer, on T:12403 05:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:56 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:56 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 06:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:16173 06:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:17804 06:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:17808 07:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 07:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:37 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 7 points, T:16, killed by a giant spider 09:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 09:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 636 points, T:1735, killed by a system shock 09:09 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 09:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 10:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] simpleliquid (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:13632 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14751 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:2847 10:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3252 10:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] simpleliquid (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:15992 10:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 11:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:01 -!- steak has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4043 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 246 points, T:781, killed by a dwarf 11:14 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 11:15 paxed you around? I have a non-nethack related query :P 11:18 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Val Hum Fem Neu), 222 points, T:1141, killed by a coyote 11:36 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7115 11:42 -!- andrewd12 has joined #hardfought 11:45 hi 11:45 Hello andrewd12, Welcome to #hardfought 11:45 sup 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2884 points, T:2152, killed by a rothe 11:46 nethack 11:46 press F for respects to red 11:46 it happens :P 11:46 <{Demo}1> team q is real 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:48024 11:51 rofl 11:52 why are people killing the Oracle? accident? extinctionist? 11:52 ais523: Message from AntiGulp at 2019-08-02 00:35 EDT: Congrats on the SMB3 TAS. That was incredible. 11:52 the answer is often, 'because they can' 11:52 <{Demo}1> anger 11:53 the reaction to the SMB3 TAS is weird, normally these ridiculously-glitched runs impress TASers and most people consider them cheating, this run impresses almost everyone but the TASvideos community aren't sure it's acceptable becaus the encode isn't entertaining enough 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:9410 12:01 ais523: link to that speedrun? :) 12:01 LarienTelrunya: http://tasvideos.org/6466S.html although it's a TAS, not a regular speedrun (this isn't humanly viable, nobody could press the buttons on the controller fast enough) 12:02 omg teh h@xz0r :P 12:03 any SMB3 speedrun that skips the Wendy bossfight is automatically not entertaining enough for me to watch :D 12:04 ye 12:05 ais523 i wasn't here a bit earlier but the reaction is inverse 12:05 andrewd12: do you happen to be the Unangband developer by any chance? your nickname sounds familiar 12:05 no 12:05 Aren't you all un-Angband developers no wait 12:05 i'm andrewthe[platform]er usually 12:06 -!- andrewd12 is now known as andrewtheircer 12:06 i just chose andrewd12 because it was on my mind at the time 12:06 have you ever seen someone say "this is a fake run!" to a TAS 12:07 <@riker> jesus ais: making a bunch stupid esolangs and some standard TAS weren't enough 12:07 backwards longjump and bomb-omb grab-turbobackward are cheats too :P 12:07 <@riker> you have to come up with a sub-1-second TAS too? 12:08 esolang idea: 2d esolang similar to nethack 12:08 ais523: I once had a pet Olog-hai kill the Oracle, I couldn't keep her from it 12:08 that reminds me, what happened to dwango? he used to hang out here 12:08 just moved onto other things, I think 12:08 fair 12:08 <@riker> there's enough 2d esolangs already andrew lol 12:08 <{Demo}1> befunge but its nethack 12:09 yes 12:09 ***yes*** 12:09 K2: yes? 12:09 if ais and master succeed in uploading the TAS 12:09 it will be the shortest TAS on the site 12:10 paxed: worldcon dublin this year (this month!) you going? 12:10 K2: yes 12:10 sweet 12:10 we're working on a nethacj players meet up 12:10 *nethack 12:10 interested? 12:10 i'm buying the first round 12:10 :P 12:10 I couldn't get it into the official program so we're just going to land in a pub somewhere and talk while we eat and drink 12:11 K2: i know 12:11 Oh good, mine's a pint of 1805 Napoleon brandy laced with Moon rocks 12:11 lol Pinkbeast 12:11 tentatively Friday 19:30 12:11 can i b e in 12:11 if you're at worldcon, sure 12:11 actually jk 12:11 i don't play nethack 12:11 and i can't go to worldcon 12:11 then you won't be able to be in 12:12 ok 12:12 press F to bay respect 12:12 paxed: did you know about the meet up or about me buying the first round? 12:12 The second of these may be more of an issue, it's not like I play NetHack 12:12 unless you happen to be in dublin and find the pub :-) 12:12 but you did when it was relevant 12:12 <@riker> and recognize anybody here lol 12:12 I s'pose I've had one JuNetHack since Helsinki 12:13 feather 12:13 also I know Pinkbeast from waaaaay back 12:13 aren't you the one who wrote the thegreatestgameyouwilleverplay.com? 12:13 feather makes ais523 go cray cray if he thinks about it long enoguh 12:13 K2: the meet up, raisse was already talking about it couple months ago. and i was there in Helsinki. 12:13 CEB says, put it in the newsletter 12:13 right. but we're kinda trying to set a date/time if possible 12:14 idea: advertise *after* the party ends 12:14 so time travelers will hear and go back in time 12:14 already did that 3 months from now 12:14 i haven't even looked at the programme, so any time is good time. :) 12:14 * Pinkbeast just has to find out if there's an EVE meet now (and if it's called "ISK Dublin", I shall be very disappointed if it's not) 12:14 good lookin out tho 12:14 paxed: hah that'll work ;) 12:15 i'm flying out to Dublin on the 11th 12:15 what would modern gamers say about nethack 12:15 andrewtheircer: "sucks. no gfx" 12:15 if we gave them the context of the times? 12:15 pfft 12:15 that it was in 1987 12:15 i brag about my FPS score in nethack all the time 12:15 4,567,891 fps 12:15 Hex 12:15 NetHack doesn't even use frames 12:15 Hax* 12:16 ais523... work with me here 12:16 Well, you can measure the time it takes to process a command. 12:16 And derive frames per second from that 12:16 frames are a graphics concept 12:16 NetHack doesn't have graphics (unless you play tiles) 12:16 Dwarf Fortress literally says FPS 12:17 that's because Dwarf Fortress is using a frame-based method internally 12:17 has anyone done speedruns of nethack 12:17 But in DF the game progresses whether or not you act. 12:17 NetHack doesn't, it uses dirty buffers 12:17 andrewtheircer: yes; Adeon holds the world record, @Luxidream is probably the best speedrunner at the moment 12:17 andrewtheircer: yes, both real-time speedruns and turncount speedruns 12:17 i make a joke about FPS in nethack and half of you lose your minds 12:17 lol 12:17 what is the current turncount record 12:18 for getting that damn amulet 12:18 <@Hi VSAs michael here> oh ais I got 1h1m54s in nh4 12:18 <@Hi VSAs michael here> so the the nh4 wr is below vanilla now 😃 12:18 andrewtheircer: something like 2130 turns 12:18 andrewtheircer: 2130 for an ascension in vanilla NetHack: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Speed_ascension 12:18 (the quest doesn't open until turn 2000 so that forms something of a limit) 12:19 wooooow boys 12:19 AceHack, where the Quest unlock works differently but is otherwise pretty simiar to vanilla, has been done in 235 turns 12:19 paxed: i'm arriving on the 13th at heathrow, then on to dublin soon after 12:19 thanks for helping me in this 12:19 ais523: I want to see a turn 1 speedrun in slex :D (it is doable with your TAS tools, without overflowing the turn counter) 12:19 i gotta see where/when we're all linking up (the teamsplat group) 12:19 is it heresy if you use graphics 12:19 on nethack/dwarf fortress 12:19 @Hi VSAs michael here: are you Luxidream? generally I assume anyone who's using a very long pseudonym is Luxidream :-D 12:19 K2: ah. you're staying all at the same place, iirc? 12:19 hmm 14th 12:19 <@riker> df? eh, nethack? not really worth it 12:19 yes 12:20 <@Hi VSAs michael here> I am luxidream 12:20 LarienTelrunya: is there a way to freeze the turn counter? 12:20 5 min walking distance to the event 12:20 I arrive Dublin on the 12th, leave on the 20th on a ferry at SIGH 0810 12:20 <@riker> /w nick Hi ais523 Luxidream here 12:20 <@riker> ah damn I forget how discord does it 12:20 Pinkbeast awesome 12:20 there's another one :P 12:20 ais523: there's a randomized appearance item that gives only 50% chance of advancing the turn counter every time it would advance, and some roles can start with it ;) 12:20 How does that work? 12:21 that kind-of makes turncount speedrunning meaningless under TAS conditions, you'd have to count actions or keystrokes instead 12:21 ah right i fly on the 13th but arrive the morning of the 14th 12:21 <@riker> wouldn't the best turncount in that case be 0 amy? 12:21 because air canada changed my itinerary 12:21 fuckers 12:21 i'm staying for 2 weeks; why bother traveling to a new place and spend all the time at the con? :) 12:21 riker: the game starts at T:1 12:22 <@riker> fine, then t:1? 12:22 only 50% chance of advancing the turn counter> ouch, I think I got bits of the fourth wall in my eye 12:22 yeah that's what I was suggesting 12:22 paxed: i would have liked to do the same but i've already missed enough work from military obligations this year, my boss is already going nuts 12:22 <@riker> pinkbeast: lol 12:22 Pinkbeast: well if the turn counter freezes a lot of in-game events freeze too 12:22 so it's a bit like time only moving for you 12:22