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Not strictly ants, but you can bet 3 or 4 will show up next to you the first time a hostile priest casts a spell. 02:46 That's fine. I'll murder him in a such a way that he doesn't get a chance. 02:48 it's just that I don't remember one force bolt being enough to take down 3 fire ants 03:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 03:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 03:06 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:11 -!- JuneSurfer has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- JarlEarl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:57937 03:45 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:51 Junethack: New user afenner99 registered! https://junethack.net/user/afenner99 03:54 -!- JuneSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:59 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:58026 04:16 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 04:31 !ping 04:31 Grassy: Pong! 04:39 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:54 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 05:20 Junethack: Demo ascended a game of NetHack 3.4.3 on ascension.run! 05:22 congrats demo! 05:24 Demo the Demogoddess :) 05:28 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 05:33 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 06:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 06:01 !who 06:01 Tangles: [hdf-us] zHz [nh363] jenseits [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh363] janekw [nh363] Dins [nh363] elenmirie [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 06:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:29403 06:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29407 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a tiger, on T:29486 06:38 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.4] 06:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 592 points, T:1451, killed by a falling rock 06:54 -!- UsagiMero has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 07:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13 !tell bhaak https://ascension.run/userdata/Demo/nethack/dumplog/1560277046 - bot ascension under a human player account. lemme guess, that's ok too right? 07:13 bhaak shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 07:13 sorry {Demo}2 07:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:30587 07:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:29 @v?floating eye 07:29 floating eye (e) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 1 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Attacks: 0d70 passive paralyze | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, amphibious, infravisible 07:39 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended one variant" unlocked by aoei! 07:39 Junethack: aoei ascended a game of UnNetHack on eu.hardfought.org! 07:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 976 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31425 07:41 'Shall I remove your cloak, lover?' 07:41 Sure. It's cursed. 07:45 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:45165 07:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 656 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32049 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:32676 08:18 -!- aioe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:26 !tell Chris_ANG Love the new mazes with special rooms and stuff! One of the endless staircase levels had the stairs in the middle of a graveyard :) 08:26 Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Tangles. 08:28 I love 'em too, NeroOneTrueKing is the one that implemented them :) 08:28 Chris_ANG: Message from Tangles at 2019-06-11 19:44 EDT: Just PR'd you the msgtype=alert changes for curses (and tty) windowport. Feel free to merge at your leisure :) 08:28 Chris_ANG: Message from Tangles at 2019-06-12 08:26 EDT: Love the new mazes with special rooms and stuff! One of the endless staircase levels had the stairs in the middle of a graveyard :) 08:29 -!- AntonBaaw has joined #hardfought 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:33183 08:33 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 08:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1849 points, T:1091, quit 08:34 <{Demo}2> lol k2 08:34 {Demo}2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-06-12 02:05 EDT: actually I slightly roleplay with certain slex roles, but not that much ;) 08:36 ;) 08:36 someone was bound to do it 08:37 <{Demo}2> I would like to see someone interpret the rules on the site in such a way that what I didn't isn't ok :P 08:38 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39 -!- AntonBaaw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:41 -!- Anerag has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.3 - https://znc.in] 08:48 -!- Anerag has joined #hardfought 08:48 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in one variant" unlocked by AlbertB! 08:48 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended one variant" unlocked by AlbertB! 08:48 Junethack: AlbertB ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.2 on eu.hardfought.org! 08:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 86336 points, T:26862, quit 08:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4 points, T:100, killed by a fox 08:52 30226 turns 08:52 No floating eye corpse 08:53 {Demo}2 - current junethack rules concerning bots states this: use NetHack playing bots or so called "augmentation" tools like Interhack. 08:53 thats it 08:53 its too vague 08:54 technically you can do exactly what you did... but should you? thats the thing 08:56 <{Demo}2> nah, it states a list of things that arent allowed 08:56 not in regards to bots it doesnt 08:56 <{Demo}2> then lists some things that people might somehow get in their head arent, im pretty sure it is intended to be read as a blacklist 08:56 <{Demo}2> with clarifications 08:57 <{Demo}2> wait rules are fundamentally blacklists 09:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 09:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:01 so far bhaak hasnt shown any willingness to add clarification to certain activities. its obvious he's ok with mixing bots with human players on teams, otherwise something probabyl would have been done about it by now 09:01 but now with your 3.4.3 asc, you're using a bot to pad a score for a human players account 09:01 so i'd like to know his stance on that as well 09:02 <@luxidream> You want it to be banned? Easy 09:02 i didnt say that 09:02 so i'd like to know his stance on that as well <--- thats what i want to know 09:02 <@luxidream> We just need 50 cockabots and it’ll be banned in a jiffy 09:02 but it shouldnt come to that 09:02 <{Demo}2> pretty sure bhaak sort of views jnh like a petri dish 09:02 no doubt 09:03 * K2 invokes the bhaak summoning spell 09:03 bhaak - bhaak - bhaak 09:03 <{Demo}2> lets set some things up and see what festers 09:03 its like saying beetlejuice 09:04 <@luxidream> UnNetHack Sux 09:04 well now you're crossing a line 09:04 ;) 09:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] jenseits (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1770 points, T:4706, killed by a snake 09:16 Vampires in UnNetHack suck. 09:17 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in nine variants" unlocked by jenseits! 09:17 <{Demo}2> playing without color should be a conduct 09:19 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 09:22 HP:5(291) 09:22 this is going well. 09:23 <{Demo}2> ugh un soko makes my head spin 09:24 Tangles you got this 09:25 <{Demo}2> i just remembered a dream i had last night where i was trying as hard as i could to drink a potion of full healing when on super low health and just kept typoing and couldnt hit the right keys and died 09:25 sounds legit 09:27 Graz'zt is a fucking coward and won't fight me. 09:28 heh 09:28 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 09:28 shoot & run? 09:29 <{Demo}2> likes to stand a knights jump away i think 09:29 <{Demo}2> all i know is the revised dnh covetous behavior sucks a lot and IS NOT in ndnh 09:29 He won't stand in line with me. Keeps hiding behind walls and stuff, and summonning a bazillion monsters around me. 09:29 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 09:29 <{Demo}2> yeah its bullshit 09:30 <{Demo}2> just dont fight him 09:30 Yeah I guess I can dig through, and c!oGL back. 09:30 there's still no MF until the endless staircase? 09:31 <{Demo}2> his level is literally a dick https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/compat-3.17.1/dat/gehennom.des#L4394 09:31 <{Demo}2> yeah no force til then 09:32 I remember this happening a couple of years ago. He just filled the level with monsters and the game crashed. What a turd. 09:32 <{Demo}2> back then he would have at least warped to you (or tried a little) 09:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:32469 09:32 <{Demo}2> now he just warps like a knights jump away if he can 09:33 so digging might be out... I'm now in a pit that I dug in the floor. 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1661 points, T:3485, killed by a gnome 09:34 guess I'll have to curse some tele scrolls. 09:34 <{Demo}2> yeah probably just need to tp past it 09:34 <{Demo}2> how did your health get so low? 09:34 bad management. got to 17 and I had no options except !oFH in the bag. 09:34 so I went for it, and got down to 5 getting it out. 09:35 <{Demo}2> i guess the ac/dr split really do work 09:35 <{Demo}2> hmm, why do you have speed boots on when you have quicksilver? 09:35 Well it didn't help that my cloak got removed and I didn't notice, then a gug stole my body armor (soulmirror - my only relfection source) 09:36 <{Demo}2> ah 09:36 Oh I just found quicksilver a little while ago. 09:36 <{Demo}2> how is the casting in soulmirror? 09:37 pretty good :) 09:37 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 09:37 <{Demo}2> wow 09:37 also have GoP on 09:37 and no robe. 09:37 skilled in attack, healing and divination. 09:38 -!- ssnufd has joined #hardfought 09:39 <{Demo}2> man, id maintain haste self before id wear speed boots 09:39 does the #invoke on quicksilver actually work? I had some trouble with it another time... might go back to the stash and enchant some flying boots instead. 09:39 -!- aioe is now known as aoei 09:39 <{Demo}2> it always works, sometimes doesnt give a message properly 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6514 09:40 you can maintian haste self? Think I need to upskill in escape spells before I can do that. 09:40 -!- aoei is now known as aoei\splat 09:40 <{Demo}2> mait now works diff now 09:40 <{Demo}2> press # in the menu 09:40 Yeah I did that earlier. Wasn't much there. 09:40 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:41 oh hey! 09:41 <{Demo}2> it is bugged right now in that it doesnt interact right with gauntlets of spell power 09:41 -!- ssnufd_ has joined #hardfought 09:41 <{Demo}2> yeah id keep detect monsters on at all times 09:42 Covetous spellcasters should fall back to warping adjacent to you under a couple of circumstances. Probably the most important is if they can't see you after the first warp, they move adjacent. 09:43 Yeah I've done that before.... I find the purple colour annoying though. Hard to see what's what. 09:43 They also warp adjacent if their spells are on cooldown, but Graz'zt doesn't have this problem. 09:43 <{Demo}2> hey Chris_ANG are the quicksilver nerf ideas in the etherpad? 09:43 -!- ssnufd has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:43 You can turn purple highlighting off in options. 09:43 highlight_detected, I think. 09:43 <{Demo}2> yeah 09:43 ah ok. 09:44 Right, they are. I keep meaning to implement those then forgetting <_<' 09:48 hey I'm a werewolf. Totally missed that between all the sliming and monster summons and other bullshit. 09:49 I got paranoid and took my cloak off just because there was a werewolf fighting me 09:50 <{Demo}2> i dont like the ac/dr split 09:50 fortunately artifact armors and shirts don't get ripped. 09:50 <{Demo}2> but it looks like it works? 09:50 thanks Chris. That would have been a game-ender. 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:33250 09:54 ah yeah ok Quicksilver does work. "You feel a surge of power, but nothing seems to happen" (but I went from fast, to very fast). 09:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:59 <{Demo}2> hmm, ive never had an issue with Aryvelahr Kerym being op 09:59 <{Demo}2> always seemed quite weaker in action than on paper 10:00 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 10:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 10:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:03 -!- aoei\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:19 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> !time 10:19 @PM me pics of kripto's chin: Wed Jun 12 10:19:08 2019 EDT 10:19 -!- ssnufd_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:19 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> How do you conveniently check the server time on the current server, if you were playing aus or eu? 10:20 Do those not also use UTC? 10:20 They use UTC 10:21 I've gotten the double damage undead at a time that isn't midnight in AU. 10:21 specifically, 10:00 +10:00 10:21 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> The east coast server uses utc? :O 10:21 eu.* and au.* do 10:22 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Interesting 10:22 so does us.* 10:22 @Pm 10:23 in dgl, go to server info 10:23 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Well it's still not gremlin time either way at least 10:23 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Ah thanks 10:23 np 10:25 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Seems like a disadvantage for us players, a large chunk of game time that isn't night is considered night :p 10:26 mm 10:28 time is relative 10:28 So are gremlin attacks. 10:29 and there is no spoon 10:29 Nothing matching that description exists in the game. --More-- 10:30 (similarly, there is no fourth wall) 10:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu) murdered Franklin, his faithful little dog, on T:945 10:30 -!- aoie has joined #hardfought 10:32 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Killing wraiths while satiated.. Bah 10:33 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Not taking my heavy ass tinning kit with me :p 10:33 It won't work anyway 10:34 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Oh well, I have plenty of gain level, and the thing that satiated my gave me cold.. Finally 10:34 -!- aioe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:37 Ugh I think I lost the fluorite octet on Graz'zt's level. 10:39 <{Demo}2> go back for it :P 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] autolycus (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 2608 points, T:3380, quit 10:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:46919 10:44 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:46 <{Demo}2> tangles: use the map 10:46 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> What are the chances of digging down on a fountain and somehow landing in water and every adjacent spot becoming water as well and drowning 10:47 <{Demo}2> wait you lost the mauraders map or never got it? 10:47 I never got the #*#% map 10:47 <{Demo}2> oh 10:48 <{Demo}2> its the only artifact pirate can get from saccing and its damn useful 10:48 Yeah I know. 10:48 <{Demo}2> really good for when you lose your flourite octet somewhere and need to find it :P 10:48 I tried so hard to get it, but it never happened. 10:48 <{Demo}2> ah 10:48 <@Andrio Celos> @PM me pics of kripto's chin zero, I'm fairly sure. 10:49 <@Andrio Celos> It never sprays water onto the same space. 10:49 ugh this is bullshit 10:49 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Thanks 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1146 points, T:2974, killed by a giant bat 10:50 ssnufd it. 10:51 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 10:52 <{Demo}2> flipped soko levels are like ass geometry 10:52 <{Demo}2> i dont know what it means but its bad 10:53 How about flipped Mines' End? 10:54 And someone tried to trick me by stealing the loadstone. ~~It worked.~~ 10:57 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 10:58 @d?mammon 10:58 Mammon (&) | Lvl: 60 | Diff: 33 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 75 | Generates: unique | AC: -13 | Attacks: 3d1 weapon physical, 3d1 claw physical, 3d1 claw physical, 9d1 hug wrap, 1d6 claw gold steal, 1d6 claw gold steal | Alignment: 15 | Flags: swims, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 10:59 Like-Like? 10:59 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00 {Demo}2: I've also lost the arkenstone now too :/ 11:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:00 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:01 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 11:02 <{Demo}2> wth 11:03 just grepping the ttyrec now 11:03 <{Demo}2> wow pinobot is years out of date with dnh 11:03 The red dragon picks up the uncursed Fluorite Octet. 11:03 So that's who's got that. 11:03 <{Demo}2> oh yeah dragons do love gems hmm 11:03 Especially the Arkenstone 11:04 Hmm nothing in the ttyrec about the Arkenstone. 11:05 not in the strings anyway. Might have to watch it :/ 11:05 -!- aoie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:06 <{Demo}2> yikes 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Sam Hum Mal Law), 80 points, T:252, killed by a guard 11:21 <{Demo}2> hmm, would be cool to have some guys with dragon forms 11:22 pity. I expected more and more inventive name calling 11:22 bhaak: Message from K2 at 2019-06-12 07:13 EDT: https://ascension.run/userdata/Demo/nethack/dumplog/1560277046 - bot ascension under a human player account. lemme guess, that's ok too right? 11:22 such low expectations 11:23 -!- aioe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:26 lol I still have the Arkenstone. I must be tired! I was looking at the apply menu rather than my inventory. 11:26 <--dumbass 11:26 lol 11:27 sleepy time? 11:27 bhaak: are you ok with players using bots to play under their regular username and take the credit? 11:32 <{Demo}2> flipping soko should be against the rules 11:33 <{Demo}2> crumble, thats a scary nh word 11:34 why don't you let the bot solve sokoban for you? also, unnethack doesn't have luck penalties in sokoban :-) 11:35 <{Demo}2> thats only a valid option in dnh 11:37 <{Demo}2> for some reason in un i cannot see my cursor 11:37 strange 11:38 That happened to me earlier in dnh, I had to close and reopen PuTTY. 11:38 <{Demo}2> its been this way the whole game 11:38 <{Demo}2> can see my cursor in other variants, turning off utf8 doesnt help 11:42 <{Demo}2> why can i only get "sokoban cloak" and "sokoban amulet" when i farlook those items but when i farlook the boh it just tells me 11:43 ugh One of the red dragons got disintegrated, and none of the others have the octet. I guess it's really gone. 11:44 <{Demo}2> i think that might do it 11:46 {Demo}2: you can see it. 11:47 <{Demo}2> i definitely never saw it 11:47 <{Demo}2> when i did that 11:47 <{Demo}2> once i could see them though it started working 11:47 <{Demo}2> not sure why it treated it like id seen it before i saw it 11:49 you have already id bag of holdings? 11:50 I checked the user config, it seem Demo and the Kej-Bots are so far the only bots in the tournament 11:50 <{Demo}2> i did 11:50 bhaak: are you ok with players using bots to play under their regular username and take the credit? 11:54 <{Demo}2> i need a damn cursor 11:55 [hdf-us] [un] xelfe (Con Hum Mal Cha) genocided goblins locally on T:18 11:57 [hdf-us] [un] xelfe (Con Hum Mal Cha), 22 points, T:71, killed by a boulder 11:59 <{Demo}2> what variants nerf grays? 12:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:00 <{Demo}2> oh, tyr does by giving me ogresmasher, i see 12:01 <{Demo}2> tyr ur a shit god and have shit taste in weapons 12:02 {Demo}2: grays? 12:03 <{Demo}2> grayswandir 12:03 K2: in general, I'm positive with chess games played supported by chess computers 12:06 [hdf-us] [spl] jenseits (Dra Hum Nbn Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3393 12:06 great 12:07 so lets recap 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1443 points, T:2279, killed by a soldier ant 12:08 you're ok with no team limits, bots and human players on same team, and human players using bots under their player account 12:08 so basically, from a team competition standpoint, junethack is a joke 12:09 <{Demo}2> when hasnt it been? 12:10 <{Demo}2> dagon is mean, tangles how owned did you get? 12:11 you're having the wrong impression that my opinion on that matters much. I'm mostly implementing what emerges as consensus from online discussions. 12:11 no team limits is an original design decision though 12:11 [hdf-us] [spl] jenseits (Dra Hum Nbn Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3437 12:13 irrelevant - wrong is wrong regardless of how many people agree with it 12:16 Junethack: New user Karnac registered! https://junethack.net/user/Karnac 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] autolycus (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2947 points, T:4257, quit 12:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:18 [hdf-us] [un] xelfe (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 618 points, T:1964, killed by a small mimic, while sleeping 12:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 12:21 <{Demo}2> snickersnee is dumb 12:25 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in one variant" unlocked by Karnac! 12:25 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in one variant" unlocked by Karnac! 12:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:48552 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 10 points, T:19, killed by a fox, while sleeping 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh343] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:11, killed by a bolt of lightning 12:28 [hdf-us] [spl] jenseits (Dra Hum Nbn Neu) had Unlimited Moon bestowed upon them by Enlil, on T:4140 12:28 <{Demo}2> wth is unlimited moon? 12:28 <{Demo}2> deluxe version of limited moon? 12:31 <@luxidream> How does allowing bots make junethack more interesting at all 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:31, killed by a water demon, while praying 12:31 <@luxidream> Junethack isn’t a bot competition, and it’s not like anyone is creating their own bots to play nethack 12:31 <{Demo}2> cause it allows for people that write bots to have more fun 12:31 <{Demo}2> thats not true 12:32 <@luxidream> who is writing bots for jnh right now 12:32 <{Demo}2> i wrote a few start scumming bots 12:32 <{Demo}2> built on nodehack to do stuff like wishes 12:32 <@luxidream> the only other person using bots was just using 10 bothacks to scum out ascensions 12:33 <{Demo}2> yeah thats kind of interesting though 12:33 <{Demo}2> cause thats not a sustainable model 12:34 <{Demo}2> if 10 people ran 10 bots kerio would have to prohibit bots or limit the number per person 12:34 <{Demo}2> also i wonder what he was running those on 12:34 (arch-lich on dlevel 11) 12:34 * Hekik shows signs of panic 12:34 <{Demo}2> all on one machine? all in their own isolated machine? hows his network set up? was stuff cooL? was it on a cloud service? 12:35 Hekik: blessed scroll of genocide to get rid of all of L? ;) 12:35 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:36 oh, it's a chameleon. Lucky me 12:36 good thing it summoned a couatl, storm giant, and ettin before it turned into a mummy 12:37 * Hekik panics a bit more 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh343] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 851 points, T:737, killed by a wand 12:38 hm, I could maybe confuse the couatl with confuse monster, then plan my escape 12:38 does it cost a turn to look in my bag? 12:40 <@luxidream> Well they seem to be gone now 12:40 <@luxidream> Not sure if kerio told him to fuck off 12:41 <@luxidream> or something else happened 12:41 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 12:42 -!- aioe is now known as aoei 12:42 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 12:42 yeah the slimemold bots havent played in a few days 12:42 <{Demo}2> it makes it even more interesting 12:43 -!- aoei is now known as aoei\splat 12:43 not really 12:43 but whatever 12:43 <{Demo}2> ur just boring :P 12:43 opinions vary 12:43 <@luxidream> congrats you ran bothack successfully! here are your free ascension(s) 12:43 sup sup im back 12:43 <{Demo}2> yeah it becomes an idle game 12:44 heya aoei\splat 12:44 luxidream is my hero 12:44 <@luxidream> 😮 12:44 my client sadly doesn't resolve that symbol 12:44 <@riker> shocked emoji face 12:45 xD 12:45 <@riker> equivalent to :O 12:45 <{Demo}2> "You crush the skull of the ogre! You kill the ogre!" 12:45 <@riker> hey demo: wha'ts the best female drow shared quest arti? 12:45 <@riker> I kinda want to try to run sickle moon but that would involve turning traitor 12:45 <@riker> which is a pain 12:46 "Luxidream was the top-scoring individual with 32 ascensions." -- tnnt stats from 12:46 <@riker> yeah luxi is OP 12:46 hardfought.org 12:46 <{Demo}2> what role? 12:46 <@riker> not sure likely priest or rogue though 12:46 <{Demo}2> priest probably dont want a wep 12:46 <@riker> except tentacle rod maybe 12:47 <{Demo}2> nah, they want quicksilver 12:47 <@riker> oh fair 12:47 <@riker> honestly quicksilver needs to be nerfed so bad 12:47 <{Demo}2> sickle moon is ass 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:21141 12:47 <@riker> why 12:48 <@riker> but yea compared to quicksilver it is I guess 12:48 <@luxidream> aoei: wait for this year : ) 12:48 <{Demo}2> compared to other options it is 12:48 <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG nerf suggestion: quicksilver gets 1 extra attack at level 15 and no others maybe? alternatively just unsilver it & give it back the very fast speed & call it good? 12:48 No worries, @riker, I've got this! 12:49 <@riker> > f) an uncursed mithril lock pick 12:49 <{Demo}2> crescent blad literally grants slotless reflection 12:49 <@riker> huh is that supposed to be a thing? interesting 12:49 <{Demo}2> and you'd even consider sickle moon? 12:49 <@riker> oh, I didn't notice that was slotless 12:49 <@riker> that's broken 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh4] Haradel (Tmasher) (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 45054 points, T:7784, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted leocrotta 12:49 <@riker> I just saw teh fire damage + beheading and wrote it off as vorpal blade's drow counterpart 12:50 <{Demo}2> web of lolth might be an ok option 12:50 <{Demo}2> but for priest probably want a non weapon 12:50 <{Demo}2> for rogue cresecent blade looks badass 12:51 <@riker> yea 12:51 <@riker> I'll probably try for crescent blade + sickle moon as a ranged weapon 12:51 <@riker> crescent should be great everywhere but gehennom 12:52 <{Demo}2> its silver 12:53 <@riker> yea but it's not as good as sickle moon for silvering 12:53 <{Demo}2> i swear i find sickle moon all the time and ignore it 12:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) was given Fuma-itto no Ken, on T:1290 12:53 <@riker> huh tha'ts an okay weapon I guess 12:54 <@riker> demo: yeah but that's because you don't have expert farm implement 12:54 <{Demo}2> yeah it looks ok 12:54 <{Demo}2> assuming that, yeah 12:54 crestent blade? drow? what crazy game are you folks playing? 12:54 <@riker> dnethack 12:54 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in four variants" unlocked by Tmasher! 12:54 ah 12:54 <@riker> demo: 3d20 + whatever sickle moon's base damage is per turn vs silver haters is pretty neato 12:54 <@riker> and I checked, crowning should give me that 12:57 [hdf-us] [spl] jenseits (Dra Hum Nbn Neu), 2153 points, T:4609, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 15564 points, T:11539, killed by an ettin 13:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 13:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 13:01 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:49903 13:03 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in ten variants" unlocked by jenseits! 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:35017 13:07 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 245 points, T:382, killed by a dwarf 13:08 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:50084 13:10 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 1062842 points, T:50131, killed by a banshee, while dressing up 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 268 points, T:789, killed by a dwarf 13:16 [hdf-us] [sp] bouquet (Sam Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8107 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 39 points, T:64, poisoned by a rotted human corpse 13:18 * NCommander drops in half dead 13:18 * NCommander waves to LarienTelrunya 13:20 -!- JuneSurfer has joined #hardfought 13:20 yo NCommander! did you have a 10h train tour? 13:21 LarienTelrunya, no, I've been extremely sick (as in running a high fever) since I made landfall in Tunis 13:21 argh! 13:21 Today is the first day where I feel like I function at all and even then it's rather rough 13:21 * LarienTelrunya lends her blessed unicorn horn to NCommander 13:22 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in one variant" unlocked by Noah! 13:22 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in two variants" unlocked by Noah! 13:22 * NCommander tried to apply it but it explodes due to being incompatible US biology 13:23 argh! well then, here, have a potion of enlightenment that will hopefully show that you can safely pray :) 13:23 -!- stennowork has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23 * NCommander quaffs it 13:23 [hdf-us] [un] karibou (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1327 points, T:1561, killed by a kitten called Aja 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1905 points, T:2826, killed by a giant spider 13:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:24 [hdf-us] [un] karibou (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 4 points, T:41, killed by a goblin 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:20, killed by a black pudding 13:24 LarienTelrunya, "You are moderately ill. You are extremely unluckly. You can't safely pray. You have survived multiple attempts on your life. You might be elligible for a free Trabant in East Germany" 13:25 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in one variant" unlocked by PolarCows! 13:25 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in one variant" unlocked by PolarCows! 13:25 elligible? 13:25 NCommander: *extremely* unlucky??? what did you do, break a dozen mirrors? 13:26 LarienTelrunya, an important life lession is watch your step when carrying a cargo pallet of looking glasses down a stairwell. 13:26 argh :/ 13:27 well I guess I can give you a cursed tin, the contents of which will make you nauseated so you can vomit out the damn sickness! 13:27 Could be worse, at least I wasn't born on Friday the 13th. 13:27 * NCommander opens the tin. It smells like cocktrices ... 13:28 oh damn 13:29 hmm I could give you some water, maybe if I chant "hoyo hoyo wololo" at the water first it'll make it holy? ;) 13:30 LarienTelrunya, knowing my luck, the water would be tainted. 13:31 damn I'm running out of ideas... I have a magic marker, maybe you have an empty book and could write cure sickness? 13:31 no writing books is based on luck remember 13:31 <{Demo}2> GRAYSWANDIR! 13:32 <{Demo}2> i didnt spent 26k turns altar scumming for nothing 13:32 <{Demo}2> yeah im gonna splat very soon 13:32 JuneSurfer, only if you don't know the spell ... although I dunno how spell memory comes into that 13:32 * NCommander is at least able to be functional enough to hang out on IRC 13:33 oh i didn't know you could cast spells 13:33 irl 13:33 obtw JuneSurfer, are you StatueSurfer with a junethack-specific nick? 13:33 yes 13:34 ah nice 13:34 <{Demo}2> cant find any id scrolls 13:34 and I noticed you're not in a clan yet; if you'd like, I'd invite you into mine :) 13:34 sure 13:35 i got my first junethack ascension yesterday 13:35 great! invitation sent! :) 13:35 congratulations! which variant? 13:36 just vanilla 13:37 [hdf-us] [gh] HaryHyhax (Bar Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a long sword on an altar, on T:3121 13:38 huh, your ascension dumplog doesn't show your skills? does it not do that anymore in 3.6? 13:38 was wondering how far barbarians can enhance dual-wielding and long sword 13:40 [hdf-us] [gh] HaryHyhax (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2578 points, T:3249, killed by a baby blue dragon 13:40 [hdf-us] [fh] StatueSurfer (Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed the ghost of FIQ, the former Evoker, on T:2235 13:41 <{Demo}2> hmm, i guess ill go to town 13:42 LOL 13:42 ran into FIQ's bones in FIQhack 13:42 LarienTelrunya: barbarians can only reach basic in dual-wielding 13:43 oh damn 13:43 so you probably had long sword on basic too? 13:43 yeah 13:45 <{Demo}2> gop get! 13:45 <{Demo}2> still no mr or reflection 13:46 {Demo}2: oh did you see my dnhslex death? 13:46 <{Demo}2> nope what happened? 13:47 well, guess :D 13:47 hint: it was the thing that always kills me every single time 13:47 because I also didn't have reflection or MR 13:49 <{Demo}2> death wand? 13:49 haryhyhax 13:49 hahaha 13:49 yeah of course 13:49 after all, I was deep down in arcadia due to that level teleporter and had to get back up and there were soldiers everywhere... 13:50 and then, after mowing down several levels worth of them, one such soldier had a wand of death. Game over. 13:50 !lastgame AmyBSOD 13:50 JuneSurfer: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/splicehack/dumplog/1552211833.splice.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/slex/dumplog/1559481106.slex.txt 13:50 https://em.slashem.me/userdata/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/dumplog/1559760715.txt 13:50 <{Demo}2> hmm yeah 13:51 and it got you on the bounce too... lol... 13:51 there's literally nothing you can do if you don't find a source of reflection or MR, you simply die on a crapshoot 13:52 <{Demo}2> oh ehy, i have an amulet of reflection now 13:52 [hdf-us] [gh] HaryHyhax (Val Hum Fem Law), 674 points, T:1433, shocked by a grid bug, while paralyzed 13:52 LarienTelrunya that's how i feel playing slex all the time 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] jenseits (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 166 points, T:919, zombified by a Hƒì8ºƒÞC1ödH‹%( 13:53 zombified by a, what now? 13:53 <{Demo}2> haha owned 13:53 K2 are you looking at this 13:53 JuneSurfer: heh, slex is pretty easy right now if you use strong pets, because they're almost indestructible (especially trolls) 13:53 yeah 13:53 known bug 13:53 i guess that's a side effect of overpowered monsters 13:53 <{Demo}2> ur such a zombie that u cant read what zombified u 13:53 happens when you eat zombie meat and get the sickness from it 13:53 oof 13:53 should say zombified by stupidity 13:54 in vanilla you can eat a zombie corpse and maybe get the benefits 13:54 giant or elf 13:55 that's not very likely though 13:55 <{Demo}2> what are un aleaxs 13:55 since it's most likely tainted in vanilla 13:55 <{Demo}2> is it safe to steal and wear their drops? 13:55 <{Demo}2> or do they disappear after time? 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] jenseits (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 14 points, T:109, fell into a pit 13:58 <{Demo}2> motherfucker, i walked by a moat too quickly 13:58 [hdf-us] [un] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 86548 points, T:38987, drowned in a moat by a giant eel 13:58 dang demo 13:58 i thought you were better than this 13:58 <{Demo}2> too much dnh and other variants where this isnt a thing has spoiled me 13:59 <{Demo}2> he twoshotted me 13:59 <{Demo}2> had no idea he was there 14:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00 what? eels can't drown you in dnh? or is that the one place in the game where the breath meter comes into play? 14:00 i have like 0 concerns about sea monsters lately actually 14:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 14:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:00 by the time i run into them i usually am able to kill them in just a few turns 14:00 in vanilla I always blessed genocide them 14:00 meaning i would need astronomically bad luck to actually get drowned 14:01 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 14:01 especially with a greased cloak there's just like no chance of it happening imo 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:26575 14:01 hah 14:03 <{Demo}2> they can drown you but u get a meter 14:03 <{Demo}2> i walked adjacent to a moat for two steps and was dead 14:04 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in six variants" unlocked by Demo! 14:04 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in nine variants" unlocked by Demo! 14:04 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in two variants" unlocked by HaryHyhax! 14:04 <{Demo}2> time to play xnh or something 14:04 <{Demo}2> xnh is pretty easy, yeah? 14:04 yeah doing that in vanilla(oid) is a recipe for YASD 14:04 <{Demo}2> god i cannot remember how to xnh 14:05 "You open the door. Suddenly a bucket of water pours over you! Your potion of full healing dilutes. Your dou-maru rusts! Your katana rusts! Your scroll of genocide fades." :D 14:06 <{Demo}2> is that a thing 14:06 IIRC yes, I used to call xnethack "doorhack" because of its new door traps 14:06 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:07 hey i was the one who started that amy 14:07 i told aosdict that should've been the variant's name 14:08 haha, well I agree with that notion :) 14:11 <{Demo}2> whats a fun role for xnh? 14:11 <{Demo}2> cant pallet another valk 14:12 samurai :D 14:12 <{Demo}2> thats ur role 14:13 [hdf-us] [slex] Ichabod (War Dev Mal Law), 4174 points, T:2849, poisoned by a noxious mold 14:15 <{Demo}2> did i hear tourist? 14:16 no 14:16 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Noah (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3586 points, T:2591, killed by a soldier ant 14:17 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:23 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 14:24 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 14:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] Demo (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 863 points, T:1718, killed by a gnome lord 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 678 points, T:1851, killed by a rock piercer, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:35972 14:33 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in seven variants" unlocked by Demo! 14:34 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby black dragon, on T:5157 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5560 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36926 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36929 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:28960 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28961 14:45 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1456 points, T:1886, fell into a pit 14:45 is there anything special about stilletos in vanilla? This is the first time I've ever come across one 14:46 no 14:46 unfortunately 14:47 dang, it's blessed too. Was hoping for something exciting 14:51 <{Demo}2> uh hmm 14:51 <{Demo}2> was just hanging around on dlvl 1 in slex and i got warped to 4 and bum rushed 14:51 level teleport trap? 14:52 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in eight variants" unlocked by Demo! 14:52 <{Demo}2> no, literally just sitting there 14:53 <{Demo}2> and some portal opened around me lol 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class ;), on T:2809 14:53 [hdf-us] [slex] Demo (Cel Ang Fem Cha), 1933 points, T:2490, killed by a monster (battle-scarred veteran) 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Pri Hum Mal Law), 2407 points, T:5043, quit 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Demo (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 7512 points, T:7512, quit 14:56 slex happens I guess 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a fox corpse, on T:8816 15:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1545 points, T:3549, killed by a gnome lord, while praying 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Demo (Val Fem), 190 points, T:2525, demon 15:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 15:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 15:00 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in ten variants" unlocked by Demo! 15:01 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in nine variants" unlocked by Demo! 15:08 [hdf-us] [4k] turbo (Demo) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1200 points, T:16877, killed by an earth elemental of Odin 15:09 hm fiqhack doesn't have the excalibur-gifting message enabled 15:10 [hdf-us] [fh] turbo (Demo) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5943 points, T:2941, killed by a falling object 15:13 [hdf-us] [dyn] turbo (Demo) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 109 points, T:4312, killed by the wrath of Tyr 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3199 points, T:5606, killed by a little dog 15:19 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in thirteen variants" unlocked by Demo! 15:19 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in twelve variants" unlocked by Demo! 15:19 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in eleven variants" unlocked by Demo! 15:21 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo (Ana Dwa Fem Cha), 25982 points, T:723, quit 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30722 15:26 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo (Ana Dwa Fem Cha), 6544 points, T:589, killed by a balrog 15:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:35 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41 [hdf-us] [un] HaryHyhax (Con Orc Mal Cha), 403 points, T:840, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:48 -!- JuneSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:51 -!- JuneSurfer has joined #hardfought 15:51 <{Demo}2> anybody done an xnh rogue with both brands? 15:53 <@luxidream> Yes 15:53 <@luxidream> I did a samurai actually 15:53 <@luxidream> however dumplogs were bugged back then 15:54 <@luxidream> so the dump for it doesn't seem to exist 15:56 is xnh one of those variants that makes samurai sacfest unicorns 15:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Demo (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1205 points, T:1154, killed by a dwarf 15:59 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:31653 16:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed dragonhide +5 water walking boots", on T:31655 16:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased mithril +5 helm of brilliance", on T:31662 16:03 <@luxidream> no 16:03 <@luxidream> there's a grand total of one variant that makes you do that 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:31667 16:03 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed uncursed magic marker", on T:31668 16:04 <@luxidream> blessed fixed uncursed magic marker 16:04 <@luxidream> ?? 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:31681 16:05 hah 16:05 oops 16:05 we'll see how it came out 16:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:37264 16:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 948 points, T:1804, killed by a rothe 16:06 heh came out uncursed 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:37264 16:07 ah well 16:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6067 points, T:5311, defeated by a mind flayer 16:09 <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG seeing as dart traps shoot "little darts", they should probably shoot small darts not normal? or just remove "little" from the message (or a random size?) 16:09 Will do, @riker! 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 speed boots", on T:37323 16:09 <{Demo}2> can i use huge darts as lawn darts? 16:09 those are lawn darts 16:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:10 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Well, we are waiting with baited breath, is it uncursed or blessed :D 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of protection", on T:37330 16:10 [16:06] <@K2> heh came out uncursed 16:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3454 points, T:2948, killed by a dwarf 16:11 <@riker> ah yes, one-shot by a iron mattock :( 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:37332 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:37332 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 27 points, T:44, killed by a water demon 16:12 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> I wonder if it always prioritizes uncursed over blessed or if the order is what matters 16:15 <{Demo}2> "t - a plastic oilskin cloak {20}." a tarp with crisco on it 16:15 <@riker> lmao 16:16 "You put on the greasy poncho." 16:16 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:32595 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:37533 16:19 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Dra Elf Fem Neu), 628 points, T:3804, slain by a wolf 16:21 rock troll, riding a wolf, wearing armor, wielding an orcish short sword 16:21 lol 16:21 the goblin outrider riding the wolf drank a potion of polymorph 16:22 a rock troll riding an wolf... sounds... plausible... 16:22 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 24 points, T:61, slain by a jackal 16:22 <@luxidream> more reasonable than a hill giant 16:22 <{Demo}2> the wolf got squished 16:22 purple worm riding a newt would be better 16:22 "The wolf collapses under its load." 16:23 <@luxidream> "You hear a splat." 16:24 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 16:24 <{Demo}2> are there worm riders in evil? 16:24 <{Demo}2> what about dragon riders? 16:28 in slex, a player polymorphed into a purple worm would be able to ride a tame newt ;) (but it wouldn't be very effective) 16:28 <@riker> webweaver's crook or tentacle rod for a mal drow priest demo? 16:28 <@riker> assuming I'm only looking at those 2 not any other better arti like quicksilver 16:32 <{Demo}2> Darkweaver's Cloak lol 16:32 <{Demo}2> wait no bad 16:32 <{Demo}2> ur neu so unheld one 16:32 <{Demo}2> if u really have to pick between those two, tent rod 16:33 [hdf-us] [sp] bouquet (Sam Gno Fem Neu), 41883 points, T:10697, killed by a jaguar, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:35 [hdf-us] [un] HaryHyhax (Val Hum Fem Law), 744 points, T:1477, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 16:38 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in three variants" unlocked by bouquet! 16:38 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in two variants" unlocked by bouquet! 16:38 [hdf-us] [sp] HaryHyhax (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 49 points, T:141, killed by a blast of missiles 16:41 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in three variants" unlocked by HaryHyhax! 16:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Pri Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1560 16:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Arc Inf Mal Law), 397 points, T:1674, taken down by a gnome 16:55 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> He got tackled by a gnome? 16:55 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> That's what I think of when I read about a take-down 16:56 -!- JuneSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Dro Mal Neu), 14764 points, T:4811, killed by a tinker gnome, while reading a book 16:57 <@riker> double bones! 17:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 17:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class m), on T:6331 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed tin of blue dragon meat", on T:38525 17:13 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 17:14 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Andrio, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1192 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38562 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3846 points, T:6485, killed by a gnome 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38574 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:38585 17:20 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Quit: two forces in balance \\ ancient endless balance \\ then nothing] 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:5451 17:26 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> There's only one general shop, and I only have like 7700 gold, probably not worth blessing a touchstone to clean out his gold for protection, is it.. Maybe if I had tons of holy water, I only have like 13, I'm used to having almost 30 :p 17:26 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> I need 4400 for protection 17:27 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:38715 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] zHz (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:38719 17:36 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 6022 points, T:3487, killed by a plains centaur, while fainted from lack of food 17:42 I've avenged somebody called adinthrae, and somebody called jenseits 17:44 -!- JuneSurfer has joined #hardfought 17:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] prophasi (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 104 points, T:781, killed by a poisonous corpse 17:56 oh god damn it 17:58 man fiqhack doesn't have very many announcements 17:58 -!- Xaleth has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 18:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 18:00 Junethack: New user ashtag registered! https://junethack.net/user/ashtag 18:01 JuneSurfer: what announcement are you missing? 18:02 i just completed sokoban 18:02 and it didn't get announced in chat 18:02 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 18:09 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in two variants" unlocked by aoei! 18:09 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in two variants" unlocked by aoei! 18:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Dro Mal Neu), 451 points, T:1167, killed by a cryonic corpse 18:12 <@riker> so that's d20 damage I guess 18:20 how can something be wrong when it's not against the rules, yet? 18:20 the line between a bot and a helpful tool has always been blurry. 18:21 A cryonic corpse? 18:22 banning the ascending bots would be relatively easy, as long as the code is not modified (the only know ascending bot needs a few specific changes to the visual representation of the dungeon that can be detected) 18:24 bhaak seriously 18:24 does there HAVE to be a rule or law for something first before its considered wrong? 18:25 you're running a competetive tournament. please explain how allowing bots in any form or fashion, or not having team limits, is in any way fair to anyone 18:25 go ahead 18:26 convince me 18:26 it's not very nethacky to constraint the players upfront. that's one of the reasons why Sokoban is such a sore point in vanilla 18:26 nethack is not fair :) 18:26 exactly 18:27 we're all having to deal with the RNG already as it is 18:27 dont need to add two new layers of bullshit on top of it 18:28 you don't have to ban bots... you just have to create a separate category for them. "ascension by human" v. "ascension by bot", and draw a line in the sand beyond which something is "bot" 18:28 given how unfair and unforgiving nethack and its variants can be, SOME level of fairness in a team competition *would be fucking appreciated* 18:28 lorimer: i've suggested that before 18:28 fell on deaf ears 18:29 well there aren't many bots yet right? might be why. 18:29 where's the difference to sacfesting in 3.4.3? 18:29 because a human has to put in the time and effort to do it 18:29 pudding farming in 3.4.3 is not even a sophisticated bot, that's just copy/paste 18:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Wiz Dro Mal Neu), 7114 points, T:3970, killed by a priestess of Vhaeraun 18:30 <@riker> fuck webs 18:30 a bot, i can can just spawn X number of instances and let em go, wake up the next morning and potentially have X number of trophies and maybe even an asc or 2 18:30 for fucksake 18:30 that I even have to explain... 18:31 <{Demo}2> i still dont see why its a big deal 18:31 easier to draw the line on "what's a bot" than "how much saccing is too much" 18:31 and since you're not -banning- bots but reclassifying them, easier to gain acceptance. 18:32 example line: "anything that makes gameplay decisions and issues commands reacting to those decisions on behalf of the player" 18:32 @riker, you can apply your cloak to sweep/set webs 18:32 that's obviously not going to be perfect but it's a sample starting point 18:32 brb dinner 18:33 thanks for the suggestions lorimer 18:34 bhaak: look up what 'a level playing field' means 18:34 in junethack, that currently does not exist 18:34 easier said than done as this is not categorizable programmatically 18:34 and right now, it looks like only one person is running a bot 18:34 i disagree 18:34 and no 18:35 and sure, there's always someone (like Demo) who will try and game the system 18:35 thats a given 18:35 lol 18:35 doesnt mean you make it easy for them 18:38 <{Demo}2> thats the whole fun of rules :P 18:38 <{Demo}2> trying to game them 18:40 {Demo}2 did you know there are rules against stealing money from a bank? you should try and game that system 18:40 let us know how it goes 18:40 i think prison still sllows mail to go out 18:40 *allows 18:40 -!- aoei\splat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:41 wouldn't be the first to run a profitable business out of prison 18:43 hahah 18:45 !who 18:45 FIQ: [hdf-us] Leggman [nh363] ssnufd [nh363] Grouchy [nh363] prophasi [nh363] Sorcerer [ndnh] Luxidream [dyn] Tarmunora [dnh] Grasshopper [evil] bouquet [un] krm26 [fh] | [hdf-eu] galadriel [nh363] jt [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 18:47 let's put this another way. in a game of nethack, everything is fair game. you use everything you have at your disposal to achieve what you want to do 18:48 with that nethack mind running, how would YOU tackle the situation "there is a bot running in junethack" with the possible actions available to you? 18:49 me personally? kill the game instance if i see a bot on my server 18:49 that doesn't impace a bot on a different server 18:49 true 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8588 18:49 do you have any possible way of influencing that? 18:49 but you said actions available to me 18:50 the only true action available to me is to convince YOu to see reason 18:50 are the are any untrue actions? :-) 18:51 <{Demo}2> it seems k2s way of dealing with it is to try to get it prohibited :P 18:51 K2: but there is a difference between gaming the system and outright breaking rules 18:51 so your example is kinda invalid 18:51 you're trying to equate a single player game in where anything can happen, to a team oriented tournament 18:51 <{Demo}2> which is a solution and im not gonna say i wasnt gonna try to get kerio to ban bots from ascun by slammin him with more than he could handle (or at least get him to set some limitations) but that turned out unimportant 18:51 either way, the major legal hurdle is bad faith, which exists specifically to counter people trying to game the rules 18:52 its expected that the playing field is level 18:52 of real life 18:52 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 632 points, T:1109, killed by Ms. Berbek, the shopkeeper, while sleeping 18:52 your persuasive powers over me are also not really direct, on indirect actions. have you anything at your disposal that could affect the player running the bot? or anybody who might join in your fight to get the bot shut down? 18:54 * FIQ brandishes a wand of striking at bhaak 18:54 I keep it vague to not nudge you more than necessary into the direction of the 2 approaches I already have in mind. you might come up with something I haven't thought of 18:54 to answer #1 no i dont if its not on the servers i host 18:54 anyway 18:54 #2 i havent asked anyone for support nor do i expect it 18:55 if i get any, great 18:55 the easiest way to counter bots 18:55 is to counteract their behaviour from being profitable 18:56 hmm 18:56 making the clan trophies bot-proof, so to speak? yes, that would be great but I don't see how that would be possible 18:56 that would be too difficult 18:56 K2: great, keep these 2 options in mind. 18:56 easiest solution *today* is - no vanilla 3.4.3 18:56 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:56 OR 18:56 I remember playing a game several years ago which didn't mind bots per se, but did mind autoplay 18:57 K2: the problem is not that a bot is running but that a bot is running in a clan together with humans 18:57 if you see a user account that's blatantly using a bot, just dont count that players games 18:57 <{Demo}2> what if we shoot the bots with shotguns like people do to drones 18:57 so I could happily host my bot aimed at gathering stats of my guild in the game 18:57 <{Demo}2> that could be a lot of fun 18:57 while people who made bots that played for them got banned 18:57 goddammit bhaak i've mentioned this to you before 18:57 if you want to let bots play, do it 18:57 K2: anyway, what's the problem? 18:57 but not on the same team with humans 18:58 who cares? 18:58 no bot can consistently ascend across variants 18:58 yes. getting 3.4.3 dropped from ascension.run would be possible solution. although an unlikely one to manifest. or dropping 3.4.3 from the tournament. 18:58 you're going to beat the bots as players any time 18:58 or allow someone like demo to have a bot play games for him under the same account he plays for himself 18:58 due to being able to ascend more variety than bots can 18:58 bhaak: why dropping 3.4.3 from ascrun specifically? 18:58 what's wrong? 18:59 you dont have to ask any server admin to drop 3.4.3 18:59 just dont count it 18:59 too fucking easy 18:59 if we're dealing with a legitimate problem that stems from ascrun being uncooperative 18:59 then I suggest removing ascrun 18:59 FIQ: K2 doesn't allow bots on his servers, and asc.run is the only other with 3.4.3 18:59 <{Demo}2> because people are using it for something that is not against the rules? 18:59 the same thing was done to gho some years ago 18:59 because grunt didn't bother fixing critical bugs 19:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 19:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 19:00 [Demo]: that is a very poor argument in general 19:00 a feature that is mostly used for abuse more than anything legitimate is worth removing 19:00 {Demo}2 there's a difference between what you can do and what you should do. you either fail to see that differnce or are just being a troll trying to get a reaction 19:01 <{Demo}2> arent bots specifically allowed? 19:01 disclaimer: I don't care about junethack botting, I'm just saying in general 19:01 K2: if someone on your clan would be running a bot. what would you do? 19:01 i'd ask them to stop 19:01 <{Demo}2> and isnt that the "problem" with 3.4.3 on ascrun? 19:01 if they didnt, i wouldnt play with them anymore 19:01 <{Demo}2> or is there something else? 19:01 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 327 points, T:997, killed by a giant bat 19:01 ok K2 19:01 can you explain exactly what the problem is 19:01 I am confused 19:02 someone, presumably {Demo}2, is botting 19:02 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> The bot thing is pretty sad, seeing all these trophies and stuff that normally take some effort, like ascending, and having them take no effort whatsoever 19:02 K2: would there be other options? 19:02 FIQ: what part do you not understand 19:02 why is this a problem? 19:02 bothack has been around for years 19:02 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> As a not-very-good-player it's extremely discouraging 19:02 without issues 19:02 man, I wonder if it's your soldier mind that keep dancing around the obvious actions. 19:02 or is it a new bot who can actually ascend faster and more consistently? 19:02 FIQ: this issue is this: 19:02 junethack currently allows bots, but there's no set in stone separation 19:03 players can currently mix humans and bots on the same team without repercussions 19:03 afaik junethack's rules really only boil down to 2 things: 19:03 and reap the rewards 19:03 - don't hack servers 19:03 - don't abuse bad RNGs 19:03 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> For me, it's about the fact that I can work my butt off to try and probably fail to get a 3.4 ascension, and I might somehow manage to succeed, meanwhile someone else just loaded up someone else's script and did it a hundred times.. How is that not anti-fun for me? 19:03 is {Demo}2 running that RNG abusing bot? 19:03 junethacks rules are geared more towards asingle player tournament 19:03 because if so, then yes, he is violating the rules, and it should be easy to solve 19:03 if he's merely running, say, bothack 19:03 with teams involved its more complicated to keep things fair 19:03 then I don't see a problem 19:04 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> I thought we were discussing changing the rules, not whether or not something is against the rules 19:04 thing is 19:04 if this is bothack 19:04 demo just used a bot under the same account he plays on himself and got an ascension 19:04 what is the problem? 19:04 bothack sucks at clan trophies 19:04 hah no it doesnt FIQ 19:05 @PM me pics of kripto's chin if your bad at ascending and are in a clan, there are several other ways you can help your clan. junethack and especially the clan trophies are designed so that everybody can contribute. and having a bad player never ever will be bad for a clan (the last point is why there are no team limits) 19:05 bothack has a habit of getting stuck requiring manual intervention 19:05 it can (and briefly did while they were running) corner the market on number of asc in a 24 hr periuod, unique deaths and medusa kills 19:05 and even in games when it doesn't, it's really only good for one thing 19:05 <{Demo}2> someone could write a much better medusa kill bot 19:05 ascending warrior-style classes (valkyrie, knight, samurai) 19:05 you all are missing the point 19:05 in nao 19:05 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> I don't get how that changes what I said, bhaak 19:05 in a tournament, you expect a level playing field 19:05 umm 19:05 there isnt one 19:05 bothack does NOT corner the unique death market 19:06 @PM me pics of kripto's chin we were (or at least I was) also discussing if this could be solved another way than changing the rules. in a nethacky way 19:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:59704 19:06 FIQ it could given enough time 19:06 also IIRC bothack makes like 1 ascension a day? 19:06 hah 19:06 due to its reliance on ping 19:06 so unless you run locally 19:06 <{Demo}2> took me 5 days to get my first asc 19:06 you aren't going to ascend fast 19:06 <{Demo}2> then got one the next game >_< 19:06 the bot i ran last year to see how it's do, was ascending in under 2 hrs 19:06 because you ran it locally... 19:07 bothack does NOT do well with high ping 19:07 sure it does 19:07 it just takes longer 19:07 this is actually why I, rather than... iirc the author was named duke-? ...him, ascended on nethack.alt.org 19:07 this is turn based not real time 19:07 @PM me pics of kripto's chin junethack is designed to not be too focused on ascending. exactly because /dev/null was really focused on that and if you couldn't ascend, you could only contribute very little to a clan. there are people that can ascend faster than a bot. 19:07 because his ping to the server was simply too high 19:07 to be feasible 19:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:59708 19:08 K2: my point is 19:08 you mentioned it could corner most ascensions in a 24h period 19:08 and if a bot is too slow to do it 19:08 then no it really can't 19:08 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> A player can win succeed at some difficult trophies in this tournament by loading a script and running it, or by playing this difficult (to some) game with many hours of effort and often multiple attempts.. Maybe it's not a large number of trophies, I think that's besides the point 19:09 FIQ: slimemolds clan had 7-8 bots running concurrently 19:09 most ascensions in a 24h period is always decided on the last day of the tournament so far. unless they are loading up a hundred bot instances, the bots won't help much. 19:09 ^ which would be hilarous but also visible 19:09 bhaak: actually that's something I've wanted to suggest to you 19:09 the bottom line is this - current junethack rules, there's no level playing field. at all 19:09 make it disqualify games that took longer than 24h 19:09 and not just the bot hing 19:09 the no team limits thing is also ridiculous 19:10 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> I thought you could run the bot to the very end of a game every day, and then simply ascend them all on the very last day yourself by offering the amulet and easily win the 24hr thing 19:10 (this suggestion I wanted to make was entirely unrelated to any bot "problem" -- I am aware that it does nothing to counter bots, it was unrelated alltogether) 19:10 i didnt sign up for junethack to compete against bots, and its safe to say neither did the vast majority of everyone else 19:10 i want to compete against my friends, and other people 19:11 not another fucking computer 19:11 we're all already up against that in the game itself 19:11 @PM me pics of kripto's chin that's possible. but nobody has done that yet. junethack is usually not fixing stuff unless it has happened. gives much bette war stories. like that one time when one guy tried to cram a 12 conduct ascension and start scummed 250.000 games in a month 19:11 if you cant see that, you're more out of touch with what a competeion means than I thought 19:11 personally the way I always saw it was, if people wanted to run with bots, let them 19:12 because the amount of bots running around is simply too few to matter 19:12 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> That's an interesting way to make rules for a thing 19:12 FIQ: i said the same thing to bhaak, just keep them separate 19:12 so far, bots haven't been a problem. 19:12 and whether its a large number or just 1-2 doesnt mattter 19:12 thats not the point 19:12 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> So if we want to change the rule we just set every single player up with their own copy of the bot and have them run them? 19:12 <{Demo}2> yeah a bot clan hasnt won yet 19:12 <{Demo}2> that would be a cool story 19:12 bhaak: to you, maybe not 19:13 to me and oither its a big problem 19:13 @PM me pics of kripto's chin yes, that would be one way of doing it 19:13 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> And have them mess up the 24 hour ascension trophy? 19:13 *others 19:13 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 1198 points, T:1118, killed by a werejackal 19:14 alright i'm done talking about it for now, i feel like i'm wasting my time 19:14 K2: but you also have not come up with even one approach that could solve the currently running bot. a nethack player should be able to do that 19:14 yes i have 19:14 *that could solve the currently running bot not involving me 19:14 you're failing to pay attention to the suggestions i've made 19:14 bhaak: what is your solution btw? 19:14 I wasn't aware one was needed 19:14 or just blatantly ignoring them 19:15 btw was logscore removed as a trophy? 19:15 it is really dumb 19:15 it was removed last year maybe? 19:15 FIQ: yes, logscore is gone, already last year 19:15 yeah thought so 19:15 I recall complaining about it for years 19:15 lol 19:15 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> It sounds like the real reason there's no anti bot rule is because of difficulty of enforcing it, risk of tool assisted runs being an argument point, etc 19:16 K2: those suggestions always involve me doing something. I want to see at least one that could work without me. Imagine I would be hit by a bus tomorrow. :) 19:17 bhaak: its YOUR tournament. take responsibility 19:17 i've given you suggestions, its on you to act on them 19:17 or not 19:17 nuff said 19:18 * K2 fires up dgl to play some evilhack 19:18 to me, the solution is simple 19:18 if you consider it a major problem 19:18 just play better 19:18 ;) 19:18 it shouldn't be hard given how limited bothack is 19:18 FIQ: again, thats not the point 19:18 i'm not wasting anymore time trying to explain what should be obvious 19:19 @PM me pics of kripto's chin that's not the main reason. the main reason is "it wasn't a problem so far" but the points you're brought up are certainly problematic. it can't be solved or enforce by code alone, so at worst there would be a bot arms race 19:19 we all try to play better anyway 19:19 obtw, {Demo}2, I hope you disabled bones creation? 19:19 that's my only real issue with bothack 19:19 bones spam 19:19 the thing with bots is when someone gets it right and then scales the idea up 19:19 <{Demo}2> idk using the standard bothack config 19:19 so instead of 1-2 bots you have 100-200 bots going at once 19:19 <{Demo}2> i expect it has !bones in it 19:19 Grasshopper: the way I see it is "let's ponder on it once it becomes a problem" 19:20 bothack was made over a decade after nethack bots started appearing 19:20 who knows how long until someone decides to make a truly good and versatile bot 19:20 K2: you really can't think of anything you, especially you, could do to get demo's bot shut down, without involving me? as I said, think of this as a nethack problem with a nethack solution. the solution might not be 100% safe but there are possible ways 19:21 FIQ I see a lot of similarities between this bot discussion and AI discussions 19:21 <{Demo}2> i already got what i needed with that bot anyway 19:21 which is, don't worry about it until they have already taken over the world 19:21 <{Demo}2> leaving it running even though its not doing too much for me 19:21 Grasshopper: lol 19:21 reminds me of how my builders ignore sub-surface drainage... don't get me started on that 19:21 I've been playing a lot if Assassin's Creed Odyssey, I think Socrates is showing. 19:22 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 1050 points, T:2284, died of starvation 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:9078 19:23 bhaak: again, its not my tournament. the responsibility to police the actions of anyone participating in YOUR tournement falls on you and you only 19:23 or for that matter, has anybody else in the channel an idea? I can't be the only one seeing a way besides the boring solution 19:23 i'm surprised actually 19:23 thats you're trying to pass the buck onto someone else 19:24 I can't police the actions of the player on servers I don't own. 19:24 this is true. but you're grabbing all the xlogfile data 19:24 and you can access any of the ttyrecs generated 19:25 you are also part of the tournament. I'm only coding it. you are offering the servers and have also taken prt in brainstorming some ideas for clan trophies 19:25 also true 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2790 19:25 and i've offered suggestions to level the playing field 19:25 you're not leveraging your true powers 19:26 all of which you've so far ignored 19:26 bhaak: if you think i dont have a plan B or plan C, guess again 19:27 okay, all I'm asking is, make me plan D :-) 19:27 sure. but you have to work with me 19:27 no :) 19:27 put in some effort 19:28 what kind of effort? 19:28 a willingness to address the issues for one 19:28 i havent seen shit in that regard so far 19:29 how is that not plan D? 19:31 bhaak: if you want to allow bots, thats great. but keep their games separate from human players games 19:31 your suggestions have always been bhaak-centric 19:31 dont allow bots to affect human players scores/ranking/trophies 19:32 yeah no shit... its YOUR tournament 19:32 you control it 19:32 lol 19:32 but I don't play in the clan part. 19:32 ... 19:33 its - your -tournament 19:33 all the parts, you own 19:33 whether you want to or not 19:33 <@luxidream> honestly, how is bothack on a clan any different from the automated scruscum log point grinding, or elven ana medusa grinding? 19:33 <@luxidream> it's even worse because it requires zero player input whatsoever 19:34 yeah, and look how long that was kept in the tournament 19:34 bhaak: seriously... are you just lazy? is this what its boiling down to? 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh343] rschaff (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:22212 19:35 if you dont want to put in the effort, fine... just say so 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh343] rschaff (Val Dwa Fem Law) picked up the Bell of Opening, on T:22214 19:35 just give the bots their own space to play/compete in 19:35 K2: no. but that's boring. a nethack player should be able to come up with a more ingenious approach 19:35 then that encourages people to make better bots 19:35 does really nobody have an idea that doesn't involve me coding something? 19:36 iwhen it comes to a tournamwent, i'm not concerned with being clever or ingenious. i'm much more concerned about it being fair for everyone participating\ 19:36 yeah ^^, make it rely on honesty when people register accounts 19:36 <@luxidream> right now people have no reason to make better bots, because they could just run more bothacks 19:37 everyone can run more bots, but again the competitive advantage lies in making better bots 19:38 right now, the reality is one bot run by Demo from clan SlexualJusticeWarriors. nothing else. no bot army. no bot arms race from the different clans. one single bot from one single person. 19:38 sounds like denial 19:38 no hypothetical scenarios. 19:38 bhaak: I cannot help but feel we're stuck on you not pointing out another option which is obvious to you but perhaps not to anyone else. 19:38 only this situation. how could one go about this? 19:38 and what would you do if slexualjusticewarriors won the tourney 19:38 bhaak: its not about how many bots 19:38 <@luxidream> slimemold? 19:39 (I suspect it's "ask Demo not to do it", which frankly strikes me as an exercise in futility) 19:39 its the principle of the thing 19:39 <@luxidream> clearly they attempted to make a bot army 19:39 'oh he only killed one person, its ok. we'll only arrest him if he kills 10 ppl or more' 19:39 bhaak: But whatever it is it might be more productive to say what it is 19:39 Pinkbeast: well, thank you. no, that's not what I have in mind but it's at least something else 19:40 Allow bots, but only if you write them yourself? 19:41 have bot-clans and people-clans 19:41 ...define "write" 19:41 bhaak: you could be proactive but instead want to be reactive? i thought about putting together a bot army to drive the point home, but i have more important things to spend my time on 19:41 Tarmunora: lol, then we can ban them outright :-D 19:41 ThatsThePoint.jpg 19:41 K2: does Amy know about the bot? 19:41 <{Demo}2> yeah she does i think 19:41 i dunno 19:41 probably 19:41 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:42 <{Demo}2> i asked her if i registered 20 more demos for botting if shed add them and she seemed cool with it 19:42 amy's stance is basically: do it so i can win 19:42 But if someone wants to go through the effort of writing a nethack bot themself, they probably deserve a win 19:42 in a bot-comp 19:42 if a demo army erupted maybe something would actually have to be done 19:42 K2: and what could you do, so that SlexualJusticeWarriors wouldn't be able to win? 19:42 Tarmunora: yes, that would be true. 19:43 bhaak: i see where you're going with that question. again, thats not the point 19:43 myself and many others did not sign up to play against bots 19:44 food time. be back later 19:44 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Writing a program is a vague concept, you're always using someone else's code in some way 19:44 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> You could say 'as long as you use libraries it's okay', but someone could just write a library so good that it takes almost all the effort out of it :p 19:45 it can be as simple as writing code for the player registration process to ask "Does a human play this account or a bot?" 19:46 tick box for yes or no. 19:46 if people cheat on this then God help them because nobody else will 19:48 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 19:50 {Demo}2: Sorry I went to bed just after Dagon (was like 2am by then). 19:50 He got me pretty good... 19:51 <{Demo}2> shred your gear or nah? 19:51 Used up one amulet of lifesaving (could not burn pentagram because I was hallucinating, and took way too many turns to fix that) 19:51 <{Demo}2> did you ward him? 19:51 <{Demo}2> ah 19:51 <{Demo}2> yeah he does that 19:51 Lost my robe and my flying boots :/ 19:52 <{Demo}2> ive had to silver key out cause i forgot about his halu gaze and couldnt ward 19:53 I was on the upstairs of the level below and really didn't want to give up my position :) 19:54 <{Demo}2> ah yeah 19:54 Couldn't blindfold myself because some gug summoned by Graz'zt earlier stole my towel. 19:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +4 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:7119 19:54 Did not realise until I needed it. 19:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fossil dark", on T:7123 19:56 Will go back to my stash when I play again tonight and see if I can polypile a cloak of protection or robe and some boots (and hopefully find a spare towel and "oLS) 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh343] rschaff (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:23701 20:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:00 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> How the heck do I safely dispose of this c corpse when I have no gloves 20:01 <@luxidream> !tell K2 literally every single one of my existing dyna saves won't load 20:01 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 20:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +4 orihalcyon gauntlets", on T:7127 20:03 <@luxidream> !tell K2 Program initialization has failed. Report issue to "daniel". 20:03 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @luxidream. 20:06 <@luxidream> !tell K2 or "Decompressing save file failed at line 36889" or similar 20:06 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 20:06 -!- JarlEarl has joined #hardfought 20:06 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 20:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 20:09 -!- JuneSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:10 -!- JarlEarl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15 [hdf-us] [nh343] rschaff (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:24963 20:16 <@luxidream> !tell K2 if possible could you look at these games? https://pastebin.com/m1XLPBDp 20:16 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 20:16 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 20:16 <@luxidream> !tell K2 these are the junethack valid games, I don't really care about the rest 20:16 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 20:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 49 points, T:57, killed by a black pudding 20:18 <@luxidream> !tell K2 I was able to load an extremely old game, but it rewound it all the way back to turn 72 20:18 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @luxidream. 20:19 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 20:20 @luxidream ok i'm looking into it 20:20 K2: Messages from @luxidream have been forwarded to you privately. 20:21 wtf is that pastebin from? 20:21 oh 20:21 your aliases 20:23 so starting a new game, saving it, reloading works... 20:23 so functionality is there 20:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 373 points, T:912, killed by an electric shock 20:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 253 points, T:439, killed by an electric shock 20:25 <@riker> huh what are the odds 20:25 every single one of those games has either a space or a special character in it 20:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:34702 20:25 for the user alias 20:26 <@riker> is RNG trying to tell me something 20:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34708 20:27 <@luxidream> K2: several games don't have a space or special character that do not load 20:28 i see that 20:28 <@luxidream> "derplse" is an example 20:28 just pointing out things I see that are the same 20:28 the way those games save filename wise is different from the rest 20:29 -!- JarlEarl has joined #hardfought 20:29 <@luxidream> all of my dyna saves were working fine until very recently 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] rschaff (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:25924 20:29 persmissions are fine... 20:30 at this moment, i'm at a loss 20:30 <@luxidream> and when I tried to load about an hour ago I either got "file corrupted" or program initialization failed 20:31 <@luxidream> I thought it was now possible to recover dyna saves? 20:31 K2: At one point I had "green persimmon" as my fruitname in some variant or another. 20:31 heh 20:32 The diffs in the recording seem to be invalid. Replay will use recorded comma 20:32 nds instead. 20:33 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 20:34 !tell FIQ are you familiar at all with this dynahack error message on game load? 'Program initialization has failed. The diffs in the recording seem to be invalid. Replay will use recorded commands instead.' 20:34 FIQ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 20:35 @luxidream I dont know how to resolve this 20:35 <@luxidream> alright 20:35 <@luxidream> I guess that's the tourney then :p 20:35 game crash is one thing 20:35 and we've been able to resolve a few of those 20:36 this is completely different 20:37 i can look in each save file, but it looks 'normal' 20:37 i wouldnt be able to tell if it were corrupt or not... the header looks ok 20:38 the one i'm looking at, it looks like a parked game at the correct high altar on astral 20:38 wished for "THE GRAYSWANDIR OF SPINACH" rofl 20:38 <@luxidream> so you are able to load them? 20:39 <@luxidream> just not me? 20:39 no i cant load them 20:39 but i can open up the save files in a ext editor 20:39 *text 20:39 i tried to load a couple of your games, got the same error 20:40 dynahack has always been a 'play at your own risk' variant :( 20:41 <@luxidream> for the game "No alibi, no justice" it says error at line position 45079 20:41 ok 20:41 <@luxidream> yeah, I didn't expect to lose several ascensions after getting through without crashes though 20:42 this is what I see at and around position 45079 20:42 >5cf44dbd:0:0 n 20:42 <@luxidream> I've lost a couple to WoY segfaults 20:42 --WW91IGFyZSBiZWdpbm5pbmcgdG8gZmVlbCBodW5ncnku 20:42 --WW91IHN0b3Agc2VhcmNoaW5nLg== 20:42 --WzE1MyB0dXJuc10= 20:42 ~ f:$3274$eNpNV3k8VG0bnjNjxjKWyL4rWYsMYUhmyDIYu5TIVpFkLXvmRNYURXb1UiKaQoQQ2SZUlH1sUUb2ZH8V35zxfb/f98913c9z3df13M+c88cZdh 20:42 wAzv/FwcF0GJxewp3ppScaKr3MDACQjKBXogAd1vdIcgQ6peABkB1N33gCSXMQMDFAAMcKisBFEKIIMcQTgB4jDIfjECAMCXDSZZCbDsegRhoEzAyALDIIGf 20:42 gRxBH4Mcgiy7AAayh2uuzGRIdDEAAADgla6BubIxB02ULPBOqF0QeGg7MoaFY2KA5A09dO8igcJ12D4bnpAMBhEDK6GUPC9/1Qzdj+ybBjEPuHICAjcl9D0q 20:42 NgMEno6jAE4x5p0CgItv+LQdITZlAAjgmEsUHHMIEAPYCFMQbj12S4mehrJImRgdhPR9B3mOj97sBR+lID6lKH3BpMmkzQpdSR0FGo0zhmUJFNEa3IfhRyKL 20:42 Iydg3pIAz8D4QgRYgdUlhi8QgQi9SCkrD/TdJkJPHFQY+DA+rnhG7JJcwJicIMG3sWfUeTEwvZNLmwByBFgwNSWE0NGM89woxBmfu0sE+0fYrep3MuDLIgMu 20:42 ixLYP2SBKOjGLYikEs+zRiw6A5OwbV768QZxgUbM4gkdMMWjSk0+tzACjgSn/rWAf1APAoCvdfwENgiaJP+8KIfhIhC7x1f1BPPb1hKcTbLffF5T2VO3zlMS 20:42 tXnrnwDbNs33a/rBT+IGUBo5XVOfdXLSmZejad2NUhs5dje7zL+Ndt6Re8/JOfnEbSBBRGKa2HPPMUo8tTsXeTH5SpqEUB5baJqX6fX6JwWtI8wuR3e+WYpS 20:42 ZFuQ6JxRnfiZSCr+ru/6xcdzVZh19rrRmacGCKi73Ic79FwlQeI56nOEj8C+DmwOrxy9+cub1/v/AqHT2rBdtFyXmul42Ot7AdoQ6fGN6pc4uKsM+VGrL81l 20:42 uTYBQg2ZAx1eY93S8TNyuwYBmgv9wgoGlpR1g58qWMf4qLMA1DdNPGc17tWYU1qPZgsN7BKuzJRTIGTnuxu/mz1N8RMUoXiRcE7B/N1B8NyBFvmHA7YzX5NN 20:42 rTidLae7EGqbBVLRsgpdEj7Wk30qL8xgq7kH+d8sHFhagZc3eIzP95Uv6dMdarJZmE3YrqRWeMql2diHE8M7utXtyrsXMiP1JKI/NXUtidG72xWRynSSB1+T 20:42 v1Z9Cq/nBhIfPoCP014wDrUuV3uZ4SnH+zkNAsAC4NPLTFG9+VFk/rxW982OJG9lQOWSA32w48KU1sF3JixRd9DJt77LUwKTvC/76PPy8FGbvQNn6rO1J0Jp 20:42 GETaWkxdhWVoZ0GALWiR5a8ta3PeO8nnSbnxe6/d7Yt0+n/K3YLDozwTXhq3HtYqO/cMbC3NGb5jAn25wkN6pP2eE8fursxavpMZsXdZU7yJ/V9jpUe7WYzd 20:43 thing is, that's normal 20:43 i cant tell if thats corrupt somehow or not 20:44 FIQ or ais523 would be the best able to tell wtf is going on 20:44 but even FIQ has said play dynahack at your own risk 20:44 <{Demo}2> oh hmm didnt know nitrohack saves had base64d data in them 20:44 <@luxidream> Yeah I did not expect it to cannibalize every save I had 20:45 <{Demo}2> "You are beginning to feel hungry." "You stop searching." 20:45 me neither 20:45 never seen this before 20:45 <@luxidream> next thing you know all my NH4 saves are gone too...hahaha 20:46 its this plus other things with dynahack, almost makes me not want to host it 20:46 <{Demo}2> i figure no one has written a dynahell save editor? :P 20:47 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Is it possibly a bug related to having so many saves? Can you try copying a save over to a dummy account, or try loading the save on a local client.. Or just delete all the saves that he doesn't care about.. Seems really unlikely 20:47 maybe someday FIQ will get interested and rebase dynahack off of fiqhack 20:47 <{Demo}2> haha 20:47 <{Demo}2> i think hes still busy rebasing fh onto slex :P 20:48 @PM me pics of krpto's chin already did that 20:48 no joy 20:49 dammit 20:49 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> What enchant level do artifact sac gifts range? 20:49 +0 20:50 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> blessed fixed +0 always? 20:51 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> oh it's uncursed 20:51 <@luxidream> K2: can you check one more thing for me? 20:51 yeah 20:51 <@luxidream> are there any old saves that do work? 20:51 you have a bazillion dynahack saves 20:51 <@luxidream> Yeah, just pick one of the older ones, see if it opens 20:52 k one sec 20:55 'fuck speedrunning' loads 20:56 thats from may of this year 20:57 <@luxidream> OK K2, it loaded normally once 20:57 <@luxidream> then I attempted to load it a second time 20:57 which 20:58 <@luxidream> I am now at the beginning of the game 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] dracunos (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:20229 20:58 <@luxidream> it gave me an error "failed to decompress" etc etc 20:59 <@luxidream> then dumped me several thousand turns back on turn 400 20:59 <@luxidream> if I save now, it'll overwrite 21:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 21:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 21:02 wow 21:02 whicg game luxi 21:02 which 21:02 <@luxidream> "fuck speedrunning" 21:02 <@luxidream> the one you told me to load 21:03 lol wtf 21:03 it loaded fine for me 21:03 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 21:04 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 21:04 i wonder if you have too many saves 21:04 <@luxidream> yeah, it is somehow sabotaging the files as I load them 21:04 <@luxidream> I thought you said that shouldn't be the case 21:05 it shouldnt be... doesnt mean it isnt 21:05 i'm not the authority on dynahack 21:05 FIQ is the closest thing to that 21:06 i loaded/saved/reloaded 'fuck speedrunning' about 10 times 21:06 no issue 21:07 <@luxidream> I've deleted several saves 21:08 <@luxidream> everything seems to be fine now, except for the saves I attempted to load 21:08 <@luxidream> those are still screwed 21:09 i just took count... holy shit luxi ;) 21:09 <{Demo}2> how many saves does he have? 21:09 <@luxidream> the ascensions are still lost though... 21:09 nope 21:09 <@luxidream> ? 21:10 maybe 21:10 i can see the ones you loaded and saved 21:10 from the timestamp 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2656 points, T:2749, killed by an exploding wand 21:11 <@luxidream> Yes, all of those are old saves 21:11 <@luxidream> the saves I attempted to load that have (crashed) next to them 21:11 <@luxidream> refuse to load at all 21:11 <@luxidream> this includes every ascension 21:11 well 21:11 <@luxidream> because I attempted to load all of them in the hopes that one of them was working 21:11 almost ascension 21:12 the perils of parking games... 21:12 gdamn 21:13 <@luxidream> is there any way we can figure out what it's doing to the files? 21:13 <@luxidream> whenever I try to load them with too many saves 21:13 maybe? i'd need FIQ on this one 21:13 you have a bunch of saves here from 2018 and older 21:14 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> I mean, abusing the silly rules is the only way to change them around here unfortunately, the 24 hour ascension thing is kinda naturally going to evolve into parking saves all month long 21:14 @Pm you should have seen what luxidream did last year 21:14 he ascended something like 31 games all at once 21:15 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> It was ramping up to be probably more than that this time :p 21:15 with 5 min to spare to the end of the tournament 21:15 <@luxidream> I was going for zipcode's record this year 21:15 <@luxidream> was on track to do very well, but I can't really catch up from being down 9 ascensions 21:16 why on earth did you use dynahack instead of nh4? 21:16 <{Demo}2> i think he can run it faster 21:16 <@luxidream> the other half of them are in dyna 21:16 <{Demo}2> i realllllllly wanna see that get broken 21:16 <@luxidream> err, NH4 21:16 <@luxidream> and I've never had the issue with dyna corrupting saves afterward 21:17 <@luxidream> only with losing runs to the wizard of yendor and vampires, which I've learned how to deal with 21:17 !tell FIQ luxidream has multiple dynhack saves that are corrupt, I cant tell how they're corrupt or why. could use your help trying to figure it out and maybe recover these saves 21:17 Will do, K2! 21:18 @luxidream at the rate you play, this only sets you back what... 1/2 a day? 21:18 [hdf-us] [un] karibou (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2245 points, T:3218, killed by a bolt of lightning 21:19 <@luxidream> I wish 21:19 ok, 3/4 of a day 21:22 dynahack uses a bastardized version of the nitrohack save system 21:22 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-06-12 20:34 EDT: are you familiar at all with this dynahack error message on game load? 'Program initialization has failed. The diffs in the recording seem to be invalid. Replay will use recorded commands instead.' 21:22 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2019-06-12 21:17 EDT: luxidream has multiple dynhack saves that are corrupt, I cant tell how they're corrupt or why. could use your help trying to figure it out and maybe recover these saves 21:22 by ais523 for nethack 4.2 21:23 he attempted to add safeguards in the form of game state diffs 21:23 between turns 21:24 what really happened is that the save system is the worst of both worlds -- NitroHack's unrealibility with 4.3's perf issues 21:25 the save system is actually *more* unrealible than NitroHack, but unlike Nitro, where a corruption has 0% chance of recovery, you can recover if you tinker iwth the saves by hand 21:25 this is a huge PITA 21:25 yup 21:25 experienced that firsthand 21:26 oh, and don 21:26 't change options mid-game in dynahack 21:26 it corrupts save data 21:26 -!- JuneSurfer has joined #hardfought 21:26 you will not notice unless your game crashes, where diff loading will fail 21:27 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the ranger of Qi, the former Trailblazer, on T:7446 21:28 <@luxidream> FIQ: how would you recover them by hand? 21:29 <@luxidream> the whole thing looks like gibberish 21:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2720 21:30 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 40675 points, T:7564, killed by a tourist called "groovejumper" 21:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 6691 points, T:2906, killed by a crow, while praying 21:33 <{Demo}2> it looks like base64 encoded zlib? compressed binary data id guess 21:34 <{Demo}2> "eNpNV3k8V" is i think what zlib looks roughly like when its header is base64d 21:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sorcerer (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given the Cloak of the Unheld One, on T:1876 21:38 <@luxidream> would it be possible to isolate what it changes in the file whenever I try to load it with too many saves? 21:38 !ping 21:38 Grasshopper: Pong! 21:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in one variant" unlocked by Doran! 21:38 So, what is a good wish in notDNetHack? I am a Vampiric Wizard with magic resistance. Got those oxihalychon gloves, which are great to free up the cloak slot 21:38 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:39 <{Demo}2> what alignment? 21:39 <{Demo}2> cant remember if vamps can be neutral or not 21:39 MY major want is reflection at this point. Ah, yeah, that is right, vampires can be neutral in notDNetHack! (DNetHack as well?) 21:40 Not sure if wishing is nerfed in DNetHack, or is that just UnNetHack? 21:40 <{Demo}2> you might consider a tiny silver dragon scale shield 21:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] zombifier (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:42562 21:41 1ping 21:41 I have a possible 3 wishes (lamps). Probably keep one lamp for light source for now. No artidfacts have been generated thus, that I know of. 21:41 !ping 21:41 Grasshopper: Pong! 21:41 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41 The current version has a rather strict limit on the number of artifacts you can wish for. 21:41 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2019-06-12 12:48 EDT: nerf suggestion: quicksilver gets 1 extra attack at level 15 and no others maybe? alternatively just unsilver it & give it back the very fast speed & call it good? 21:41 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2019-06-12 16:09 EDT: seeing as dart traps shoot "little darts", they should probably shoot small darts not normal? or just remove "little" from the message (or a random size?) 21:41 <{Demo}2> artifact generation in ndnh does not affect wish limit 21:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:42 <{Demo}2> only artiwishes 21:42 Intersting, Grasshopper. 21:42 <{Demo}2> so you get two free artiwishes, after that you start rolling the dice on whether you will get it or not 21:42 I see a lot of people getting that T-shirt. 21:42 <{Demo}2> yeah its popular due to increasing carry cap 21:43 <{Demo}2> not always the best super early wish 21:43 <{Demo}2> depends on how your inventory is doing 21:43 @riker: Darts are pretty little :P 21:43 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43 So, tiny silver dragon scale shield does not affect spellcasting? It also reflects dragon breath, as armor does not (as I seem to read/understand)? 21:44 FIQ: do monsters in fiqhack revert to base form after being poly'd? 21:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Arc Vam Mal Neu), 3161 points, T:2164, killed by a gnome, while fainted from lack of food 21:44 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:45 I do have a blessed BoH, so probably not a good wish. I ama huge pack rat, though! :-D 21:45 <@riker> jarl: oh it will affect it, a tiny bit 21:45 <@riker> it's very very small though 21:45 <@riker> the size decreases it a large amount 21:45 <@riker> are you neutral anyway? 21:45 Chaotic. 21:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] zombifier (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:43545 21:46 <@riker> hm 21:46 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46 <@riker> hey demo did you pull aegis 21:47 I only play neutral monks and pacifist, not sure why. Haha. Beyond that it is lawful or chaotic. 21:47 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] zombifier (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:43589 21:47 <@riker> if he's willing to use an artiwish that may be nice, I believe dnh's current version has 1/2 phys damage in addition to reflection 21:47 <@riker> and stoning once you've killed medusa 21:47 <@riker> yes he did 21:47 <@riker> yea I'd say wish for a blessed fixed +3 greased aegis but lemme check the spell penalty 21:48 <{Demo}2> aegis is not wishable 21:48 <@riker> yes it is? 21:48 <@riker> I've wished it 21:48 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48 <@riker> not in ndnh but dnh, it being a crowning gift doesn't matter I don't think 21:49 <{Demo}2> i put it in the section of no wishing 21:49 <@riker> why 21:49 I am not too worried about taking a small hit to spellcasting. However I am using orihalychon gloves. May increase spell fail a decent amount? 21:49 <@riker> those do nuke spellcasting 21:49 <@riker> worse than aegis 21:49 <@riker> but tha'ts a no-go apparently lol 21:49 <{Demo}2> aegis is neutral anyway 21:49 <@riker> lawful 21:50 <@riker> no you didn't demo it's in the wishable section 21:50 <@riker> it's between mirrorbight and the shield of the all seeing still 21:50 <@riker> ??? 21:50 <{Demo}2> oh hmm 21:50 <@riker> yea go for it jarl 21:50 <@riker> you should be OK 21:50 <{Demo}2> why would he want aegis? 21:50 <@riker> reflection 21:50 <@riker> and half phys damage 21:50 <@riker> and it's MC3 I believe 21:51 <{Demo}2> wouldnt it totally screw casting? 21:51 <@riker> nope 21:51 <@riker> it's leather, it's the same as a buckler 21:51 <{Demo}2> pretty sure it doesnt give dragon breath reflection 21:51 <@riker> besides if he isn't using a cloak for MR then he can wear it as a cloak anyway 21:51 <{Demo}2> oh hey it is leather 21:51 <@riker> if he is he doesn't need those orihalycon 21:52 <{Demo}2> how does it become a cloak? 21:52 <@riker> apply it 21:52 <@riker> I just checked that's in ndnh too since you pulled chris's version 21:53 <{Demo}2> did i merge a commit? 21:53 <{Demo}2> or do it by hand? 21:53 <@riker> apparently 21:53 <@riker> you definitely ported the apply 21:53 <@riker> since I just tested in wizmode ndnh 21:53 <@riker> (I'm certain I'm in the right variant since my previous wizard test made it to lokoban 4) 21:53 <@riker> apply to switch between cloak and shield, you can use the invoke in either (cloak's clasp vs the shield's symbol) 21:53 <{Demo}2> wow i did it by hand 21:53 <@riker> chris added half hp damage 21:53 <@riker> you ported that too 21:54 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Ranger quest might be kinda easy if you have reflection? 21:54 <@riker> !who 21:54 @riker: [hdf-us] StatueSurfer [nh363] Luxidream [dyn] Sorcerer [dnh] zombifier [dnh] k2 [evil] karibou [un] xelfe [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] adinthrae [xnh] 21:54 <@riker> if you do'nt piss off that one minotaur, and you have a unihorn, yea 21:54 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> And a unicorn horn 21:54 <@riker> yea 21:54 <@riker> hey jarl are you local? 21:54 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> There's a minotaur? 21:54 <@riker> yep, home leve, starts sleeping 21:54 <@riker> I've pissed him off once and only one 21:54 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Oh I see it now, thanks 21:54 No, right now I am playing a monk in DNH. 21:55 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Yeah, speed 15 :O 21:55 <{Demo}2> wait i did it by hand and i dont even remember anything about it other than something something stoning 21:55 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> intrinsic speed puts you at 15, right? 18 for extrinsic? 21:55 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Well, I can look that up, nvm :p 21:55 BTW: armor services is way too cheap. ;) Getting +3 enchantment is S'E< is like what 25000 gold? 21:55 <@riker> jarl: ah ok 21:55 <@riker> !who 21:55 @riker: [hdf-us] StatueSurfer [nh363] Sorcerer [ndnh] Luxidream [dyn] zombifier [dnh] k2 [evil] karibou [un] xelfe [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] adinthrae [xnh] 21:56 <@riker> yea but you can't get past +3/+5 21:56 S'E< = S'EM. 21:56 <@riker> are you zombifier 21:56 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Man I'm used to valk where minotaurs are pushovers, except for that one each run that gets lucky shots in :p 21:56 <@riker> well I mean they are 21:56 <@riker> but not at xp 14 barely with a meh weapon in dnh 21:56 <@riker> where xp levels are much easy to hit so you may not have your kit ready then 21:57 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> Yeah.. I have stormbringer, but I haven't nursedanced or anything yet 21:57 Whjat can you enchant to +5? I tried a cornuthaum and he told me no. 21:57 <@riker> were you a wizard 21:57 <@PM me pics of kripto's chin> thanks 21:57 A wizard , yes. 21:57 <@riker> I'm pretty sure I've done a bunch of artis to +5 anyway 21:57 <@riker> hm 21:57 <@riker> maybe I'm misremembering 21:57 Weapons arfe +5, armor is +3. 21:57 At least in S'EM, anyways. 21:58 <@riker> what is sem 21:58 <@riker> and yes but not all armor 21:58 <@riker> a bunch of artis can go to +5 as well as elven/crystal gear 21:58 <@riker> ah ok the shk can't do armor past 3 I guess, makes sense 21:58 <@riker> despite some going past that 21:58 Slash'EM, sorry. 21:59 <@riker> eh, slashem is pretty fair from dnh in some ways 21:59 <@riker> but I guess that applies generally to most 3.4.3 variants 21:59 <@riker> since slashem vanilla (not extended) didn't change much? 21:59 Yeah, I thought since a cornu can go to +7, it maight be able to goa bit more. 22:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 22:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 22:00 [hdf-us] [un] karibou (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2396 points, T:2353, killed by a dwarf lord 22:00 So, what was the verdcit on the wish? A bit confused to be honest now . . . :) 22:00 <@riker> blessed greased fixed +3 aegis 22:00 Aegis is lawful, is it not intelligent? Just blasting? 22:00 <@riker> but hold up lemme check 1 more thing before you do that 22:01 <@riker> yea ok that's good 22:01 <@riker> it will blast i'ts not intelligent though 22:01 <@riker> you should be OK if you're already wishing though 22:01 <@riker> it's not an abnormal blast or anything 22:01 I have 116 HP, should be good. 22:01 <@riker> yea ok you'll be plenty OK 22:02 <@riker> are you zombifier on hdf 22:02 Also - quick question, does DNetHack and notDNetHsck have the increased monster generation past turn 60,0000 22:02 <@riker> nope 22:02 <@riker> unless tha'ts vanilla 22:02 <@luxidream> I tried to find an evilhack commit where that was added 22:02 <@luxidream> couldn't find it either 22:04 Oh , good, phew! Wait vanilla, 3.6.x, does that now? I thought itwas just UnNethack. Really ruined UnNetHack for me. Was loving that game. And now hit a brick wall in EvilHack with that, as it is in there as well . 22:05 And, sorry, I keep not answering: I am Sorcerer on hardfought. And Karnak. And robotHivemind. And ... 22:05 <@riker> ah 22:05 <@riker> why that many names 22:05 <@riker> but ok 22:05 <@riker> it's just that I saw zombifier playing a dnh monk sooooo 22:07 Oh, OK. Intersesting. I really used to love playing monks in Slash'EM. The #techniques they dded are real fun. DNetHack, having the similar #style for monks made me want to try one ---- that, and the Unheld One Cloak. 22:07 dded = added 22:08 <{Demo}2> ah yeah ndnh monk styles are inspired by slashem a fair amount 22:08 <@riker> yea you may like ndnh's monk powers 22:08 <@riker> they're interesting but I'm not a huge fan, they do buff monk a good bit I guess though 22:08 <{Demo}2> and in my opinion one of the better additions to the game 22:09 I've got a ways to go to try the wish with NDNH wizard, got to dilute some potions first for holy water. 22:09 <@riker> nice 22:09 <{Demo}2> you play around with spell overloading yet? 22:09 <@riker> lmk how this ndnh wiz goes, I haven't thought of using aegis on a wiz but that may be a good idea 22:09 All the differnt names are due to me liking to role play in roguelikes. 22:09 <@riker> maybe as inc for innate MR 22:09 <{Demo}2> cause spell overloading is insane 22:10 Differents names as in server user names. 22:10 <{Demo}2> oh yeah you are 1 xp level away from being able to get the trophy for overloading 22:10 Not sure what overloading is yet. DNetHack is a new, weird experience for me. A lot of different stuff. Still do not understand wards. 22:11 <{Demo}2> ah, ndnh adds spell overloading 22:11 <{Demo}2> press + on the spell menu 22:11 <{Demo}2> and enter an amount to overload by 22:11 <{Demo}2> (max is xp level *10) 22:11 Is DNetHack inspired by some literature, franchise or movie series or something? 22:11 <{Demo}2> and then it casts spells harder and stronger but for more pw 22:11 dNethack throws a lot of stuff in, mostly from D&D/Forgotten Realms 22:12 Mostly D&D and Lovecraft-ish stuff. 22:12 And Final Fantasy 22:12 Overloading as in, you need to take down a big bad monster , you can overload magic missle to reall do some hurting with additional Pw/mana used? 22:13 <{Demo}2> yep 22:13 <{Demo}2> or if you need extra range on that magic missile 22:13 <{Demo}2> if you overload a high enough percent on the exploding spells they explode really big and a lot more 22:14 <{Demo}2> stuff like detect monster or clairvoyance can be cast as if you have more skill in the spell class than you do if overloaded at least 100% 22:14 The atmoizers, the automotons, the clockworks ... some differnt stuff. Arachnonats (sp?). Was thinking Asimov'... or some oteher science fiction stuff, maybe. 22:14 <{Demo}2> and jumping allows for longer jumps 22:15 Interesting to know, that for the tidbit. Will lok into that later for sure! I've some cloae calls. Were ochre jellies amped up in DNH or notDNH? 22:16 wow. I cannmot type right now ! Thanks for that tidbit. Will look into that later. 22:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7615 22:17 I went from 100 hp to 30 hp in 1 or 2 turns. I ususally consider ochre jellies pushovers, other than equipment damage. 22:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given the Cloak of the Unheld One, on T:7758 22:17 Nice 22:19 Vhaeraun is doing a pretty good job of convincing me not to join the Black Web here 22:20 JarlEarl - the 60k turns bit - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/ad34e781a16b37eed85d487e1ef6f6c5e957fc5c 22:21 in short - dont dilly-dally 22:22 <{Demo}2> or ur dilly is gonna get dallied 22:22 It is my play style! Dilly Dally! Heck, with pacifists, I do not get past Soko unti like turn 80,000... 22:22 <{Demo}2> I wish we had someone that would just be like "eh, more loot" but the problem is you can't realistically be that good at nethack 22:26 Thanks for the info K2. I'll certainly read into it. It is just with these more complex games you arfe trying to learn, it makes so much more difficult. With UNEtHack and the TONS of side branches, it hard to in a limited amount of turns. 22:26 yeah there's a lot of different variants to have to try and remember all the various ways things happen and such 22:27 it is hard to do in a limtited amount of turns. I got my ass handed to me in my last fairly successful EvilHack game and thought I was doing rather well. Every step was a new monster it seemed. Could not regenrate power and my weapon choice were not great. 22:28 I am gertting better at EvilHack, though! :) Got 1,400,00 points with my last Gaint barbarian! :). He had No trouble with the increased monster gen. Just dies stupidly to a vorpal jabberwock. 22:29 ^ dies = died 22:30 yeah i saw that dumplog :/ 22:34 It took me 144897 turns to ascend a pacifist, in Slash'EM, on (user name Pacifist!) em.slashem.me! LOL. I've not played on there since I've ascended that character (and found hardfought). 22:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:10244 22:39 [hdf-us] [un] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2061 points, T:2107, killed by a gnome 22:46 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 22:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:11215 22:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) averted death, on T:11322 22:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Ran Dro Mal Neu), 172 points, T:520, killed by a black pudding 22:53 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 5225 points, T:3191, killed by a panther 22:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Pri Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1449 23:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 23:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 23:05 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 23:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 23:05 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 23:06 JarlEarl pacifist in slash'em? thats awesome 23:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Dro Mal Neu), 9554 points, T:2998, quit 23:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tarmunora (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given the Gauntlets of Spell Power, on T:13388 23:08 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:17 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (vorpal jabberwock), on T:37693 23:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Mal Cha), 14778 points, T:1657, killed by a black pudding 23:18 <@riker> that was amusing, I made it to level 9 off puddings alone 23:19 lol JarlEarl... i just genocided the vorpal jabberwock that killed you 23:19 i'm at your bones on Juiblex level 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed Karnak's ghost, the former Chieftain, on T:37741 23:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Hum Mal Neu), 291 points, T:673, killed by a water moccasin 23:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:1635 23:24 i cant pick up this bag of holding in bones pile, its cursed and has so much stuff in it it wont budge. so, have to loot it and hope for the best... 23:24 You see a wand of wishing disappear! 23:24 LOL 23:27 its ok, dont really need more wishes... but damn hahah 23:27 i have never had that happen before 23:30 -!- JuneSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:33 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 23:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 23:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Hum Mal Neu), 1166 points, T:1790, quit 23:33 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the ghost of karibou, the former Rogue, on T:4700 23:35 <@riker> @d?brown pudding 23:35 brown pudding (P) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 3 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 0d0 bite rot | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, vegetarian 23:36 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:43 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:37898 23:47 Nice. Go K2!! 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] MHL (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3605 23:50 :) 23:50 i need to regroup a bit 23:51 mplayer wizard on juiblex level cast summon nasties something like 4 times in a row 23:51 on the way back up i'll save a cursed !oGL just for that level 23:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 23:51 its a mess 23:53 I had the same on Graz'zt's level in dnethack last night. That one will be c!oGL straight past it. At least you will only need one, unlike vanilla where you may have to cross that swamp 12 times. 23:54 no doubt 23:54 other than grunthack, is there any variant that keeps the mysterious force in play? 23:54 I think nh4 does. 23:55 dnethack has it, but only in the top 4-5 levels of gehennom (which are smaller maze levels, before the demon lairs, etc.) 23:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4715 23:58 The black dragon claws you! Dragonbane sears the black dragon's scaly hide! Dragonbane's power overwhelms the black dragon! 23:58 \o/