00:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:18 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 00:20 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 566 points, T:1566, killed by a gnome 00:28 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:34 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 00:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 00:35 Antigulp° 00:35 !* 00:35 hiya. :) 00:35 Hi Mickmane! Enjoying Splice? 00:35 AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2019-05-27 15:07 EDT: odd thing in curses mode - monsters riding steeds aren't highlighted like they are in tty mode 00:35 Too bad I forgot what I was going to ask abou tit. 00:36 I got the config set up and am running a test char on the us server, to keep the eu one ready for Junethack 00:36 !tell K2: Not sure why that would happen. Iā€™m playing in curses in testing and steed monsters are highlighted perfectly fine. I did push a fix for monster steeds getting engulfed though! 00:36 No worries, AntiGulp, I've got this! 00:36 Aw, thanks beholder! I believe in you! 00:36 nice 00:36 K2: Message from AntiGulp at 2019-05-30 00:36 EDT: Not sure why that would happen. Iā€™m playing in curses in testing and steed monsters are highlighted perfectly fine. I did push a fix for monster steeds getting engulfed though! 00:36 lol 00:36 oops. Hi K2. 00:36 HI 00:36 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 00:36 :P 00:37 I was setting some symbols new for within the options, are there any that aren't in the list for vanilla? 00:37 i should test again 00:37 oh, and is there a way to show the rock at the side of corridors? 00:38 AntiGulp something else i am noticing 00:38 if a monster is riding a steed 00:38 and it puts on a ring of invis 00:38 that's what you get when you try to change what you#re saying, 'some symbols new for within' eh... hope that's comprehensible 00:38 and you have esp 00:38 you can sometimes see them 00:38 and then sometimes not 00:38 they pop back in/out of view 00:40 Mickmane: Symbols? I donā€™t think so. Splice uses a standard symset, and also uses the 9 and # symbols. Rock at the side of corridors should be the same option as vanilla, if there is one. 00:40 yeah in curses mode, monsters riding steeds are not highlighted 00:40 huh 00:40 Went with that: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Symset 00:41 K2: Thatā€™s incredibly specific, oh my goodness. Also, theyā€™re totally highlighted for me. 00:41 I was also wondering about possible alignments for the different role/race combos. 00:42 antigulp in evilhack monsters can use various rings. nazgul spawn with rings of invis. its how i noticed 00:42 if there's some invert highlight going on that's not about pets, is there an option that turns it off? 00:42 No. Monster steed highlighting is enabled automatically, because otherwise the potential for interface screw is high. 00:43 K2: Gotcha! I might have to steal that feature in the future. 00:43 I have no idea how that bug works though. 00:43 ugh, I wouldn't want to confuse a rider with a pet. 00:44 Mickmane: Hmmm. Point. 00:44 not that I expect to see them soon. :) 00:44 AntiGulp: ring patch - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/5880eed5f851a2902cda6892a64c022636a78d16 00:45 Ah, of course itā€™s by L. L makes the coolest patches, I swear. 00:45 no doubt 00:45 also one other thing you need to be aware of 00:45 Oh, I need an opinion: Should marathon mode be tracked in high scores? 00:46 what is that? 00:46 remember this fix? https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/1b5e5e567b82d2e846d0a90189143903a040097f 00:46 properly map steed ids for bones files 00:47 the error is still occurring even after this fix 00:47 Mickmane: Marathon mode is based off an old final fantasy challenge. Your character starts off with 999 hp, but cannot heal during the course of the run. I made it in splice, and then bhaak ported it to Un. 00:47 K2: poop 00:47 Thatā€™s bad. 00:47 i know you have the same commit, so just be aware 00:47 ah, I remember reading about that, thanks 00:48 it happened a couple days ago again with evilhack, corrupted the save 00:48 i dont know what to do to try and address it 00:48 maybe you can see something we didnt 00:49 I mean, the quick and dirty fix would just be to detach monsters from steeds when saving the bones file. 00:49 if a proper fix cant be hashed out before june 1st, i'd go that route 00:50 i dont want to have ppl lose their games to a corrupt save 00:50 Thatā€™s what Iā€™m thinking, yeah. 00:52 01.06. is in 19h (UTC) 00:52 if its that quick and easy... i'm up for a bit still 00:52 and can update splicehack before i crash 00:53 * K2 drinks his drink a bit more slowly 00:54 Iā€™m gonna make the call and say that detaching monsters before saving bones should be the fix for now. If I mess with save/restore code in my tuckered out state, who knows what will happen, and frankly Iā€™d rather not risk save corruption. 00:54 sounds good to me 00:55 i dont think there will be a riot if someone loads a bones file and that goblin outrider isnt riding its wolf 00:55 lol, you can always say it was taking a break and resting its mount while no adventurer was around 00:55 ^ that 00:55 also, to greet their new ghost friend (or what it will be) 00:55 Thatā€™s literally what I was just about to comment in the source code lol 00:55 lol 00:56 :P 01:02 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 01:02 hah marathon mode 01:02 i may have to have a look at that 01:03 oh, AntiGulp, how do I turn off the splicehack message of the day? 01:04 How do I use the cancellation spell to just uncurse a spell book I have? 01:04 Mickmane: Set ā€œtipsā€ to false in your rc file 01:04 thanks 01:04 Moult, unless the book is of cancellation, or blank, or a novel, or the Book of the Dead, you can't. 01:05 Andrio: oh? 01:05 options=!tips didn't do it. options=tips:false? 01:06 Moult, cancellation will erase other books 01:06 I see it blanks the book 01:06 mm 01:06 Seems like cancellation has limited utility for me now 01:08 AntiGulp, can you please tell me the exact option? My attempts fail. 01:08 <@luxidream> !whereis Moult 01:08 @luxidream: Moult is not playing. 01:08 On my phone, not on server:) 01:08 Junethack: New user PsyMar registered! https://junethack.net/user/PsyMar 01:10 how mean, the small mimic blocking the shop entrance killed my cat! 01:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Mickmane (Arc Ang Mal Law), 122 points, T:561, done in by a small mimic 01:11 did you make mosnters meaner, or were we jus ttoo low level? 01:11 Mickmane: OPTIONS=!tips 01:11 I tried that, didn't do anything 01:12 well, I just added ,!tips to an options line 01:12 Almost all of the vanilla monsters are untouched (mind flayers are easier, even). I tested the tips toggle in my personal rc file; it works fine. If youā€™re really having trouble you can toggle it in game as well? 01:12 oh, on its own line it works 01:12 thanks! 01:12 :D 01:13 do you have a list of possible alignments for role/race combos? 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 6818 points, T:9897, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 01:13 Also: In xnethack and splicehack you can farlook a monster and press ā€˜:ā€™ to get a very detailed description of them. 01:13 Super handy. 01:13 !who 01:13 Pinkbeast: [hdf-us] jonathanhanes [nh363] disbi [nh4] richards [un] Mickmane [spl] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 01:14 No alignments list right now. Iā€™d add it to the wiki, but Iā€™m sleeping as soon as I get this hotfix working. 01:14 I was wondering specifically about angel:Arc, Infernal:Monk, Drow:Dragonmaster, Ghoul:Healer, merfolk:Priest 01:14 ok! 01:14 no rush, sleep well! :) 01:15 <@luxidream> I think infernals can be lawful or chaotic, which is strange 01:16 oh, chaotic != evil :) 01:16 that's interesting, btw, luxidream 01:17 is there some option to pre-set inventory letters for certain items like bags? 01:17 <@shadowsapex> Lawful is devils 01:18 there are no devil player chars in slex as far as I saw 01:18 splice* 01:19 didn't mean slex, got confused 01:19 Infernal is a stand-in for demons/devils, so they can be lawful or chaotic. Either way, theyā€™re harmed by silver. 01:20 thanks 01:22 Theyā€™re pretty good lategame (regen, many demon lords are peaceful) and monsters early game (regen and fire resistance) but midgame theyā€™re really fragile. If the wrong monster happens to show up with a silver weapon, you can die in just a few hits. 01:23 sounds fair 01:23 my first attempt will be an angel arc though 01:24 is the pirate role really bugged with pirate talk? 01:24 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:24 also, is there an alternate key to $ for picking money (inventory, ground, bag,...) 01:25 b 01:25 b could be any inventory item, Andrio 01:25 in my games it's the bag 01:25 ah 01:26 I just wonder if there's some way to make it use a letter if one's free, or a different character than $, because that's awkward to hit on the keyboard 01:27 oh, how do I have statues shown as statues, not the monster symbol? 01:28 Check the vanilla options page on the wiki 01:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:28 ok, thanks 01:30 didn't find anything, but I think I'll go back to bed for a bit. :) 01:31 wait, maybe the symbols thing works for statues 01:33 K2: Pushed a snippet that dismounts riders on the saving of a bones file. It was more complicated than I anticipated :( 01:33 ok. thanks for doing this 01:34 No problem! I really want junenethack to go well! 01:36 ok, i'll cherry pick your commit, and updated both spliehack and evilhack on the servers 01:36 then off to bed 01:36 thanks for your work! :) 01:36 both of you :) 01:36 o/ 01:37 man, this kitten is fragile, just fell into a pit and died 01:38 o/ 01:39 is there some source file somewhere where Ican check what Symbols=S_name things have? 01:39 Oh yeah, pets are actually a lot more powerful potentially in SpliceHack. They can gain intrinsics by eating corpses, and take advantage of things like jumping boots and water walking boots. 01:40 The starting kitten can have as few as 2 HP right? 01:40 that's cool, but my kitten still splatted quickly 01:40 dat/symbols in any 3.6 based variant is where to look. 01:41 thanks 01:41 vanilla doesn't have toilets, slashem does, so I assume splice does, so that's the first thing I'll look for 01:41 Nope, no toilets :) 01:41 No pooping allowed in my dungeon 01:41 oh, wow! 01:41 Mickmane: why source file? Guidebook lists them 01:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3262 01:41 I'll check it for other unknown stuff then 01:42 paxed, guidebook for splicehack? 01:42 Plz defer to paxed. I always forget the Guidebook exists. 01:42 oh, splicehack. *shrug* 01:42 hehe, you go sleep anyway, sweet dreams! 01:42 * AntiGulp ascended her first two games without knowing the guidebook existed 01:43 The splice guidebook is semi-updated, Mickmane. In general, the guidebook is really helpful with stuff like config. 01:44 I wonder where I can find that, I might check wiki or something. 01:45 SpliceHack updated (all servers) 01:45 doc/Guidebook in vanilla or any variant. 01:45 Woo, thanks K2! 01:45 I'm looking for non-vanilla stuff. :) 01:45 no thank you ;) 01:45 Now I must return to my thousand year slumber 01:46 hope I'll see you later :) 01:46 EvilHack updated (all servers) 01:46 ^ fixes of the bugs 01:46 ah, there's the guidbook in the source file on github 01:46 yay K2! 01:49 I need more sleep, see you later. :) 01:49 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: AntiGulp] 01:51 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 01:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:14062 02:01 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:01 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 02:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 02:05 !tell AntiGulp I ran some of my own tests with the monster steed being detatched in a bones file. works great, good job! 02:05 Will do, K2! 02:05 ok sleep time 02:05 zzzzZZZZzzzzz 02:16 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:21 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:19164 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:5465 02:35 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:39 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 02:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 4886 points, T:6316, killed by a leocrotta 02:52 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 558 points, T:2991, killed by a small mimic 03:27 Junethack: New user leonard registered! https://junethack.net/user/leonard 03:38 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:43 Just zapped a wand of cancel at myself 03:44 Oops? 03:44 Do I lose all my intrinsic resistance? 03:44 Not in vanilla. 03:45 I definitely lost my wand collection 03:45 I usually don't bother bringing that wand with me 03:45 but more so I don't accidentally blow up the bag of holding with it 03:45 Does anything happen to my luckstone? 03:46 It becomes uncursed. 03:46 And what happens to magicbane 03:46 Still lucky? 03:46 It also becomes uncursed +0; I'm not sure it can resist that 03:55 -!- Valkyrie72 has joined #hardfought 03:56 -!- Valkyrie72 is now known as Vlakyrie 03:56 !lastgame RedArrow 03:56 Vlakyrie: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/R/RedArrow/nethack/dumplog/1559182432.nh.txt 03:58 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 03:58 Andrio: quite 03:59 it can't resist 04:01 mm.. 04:07 Mmm 04:08 Not a huge loss 04:08 Only lost my wand collection, some blessed , and 2AC 04:09 I hadn't gotten around to finding enchant scrolls and blessing them to enchant myself yet 04:09 Still AC 3 at xp 10 is pretty poor 04:20 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- workimer has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v workimer] by ChanServ 04:23 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Unholydonuts (Val Hum Fem Neu), 950 points, T:1812, killed by a small mimic 04:51 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:14 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 05:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:22656 05:36 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 05:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:22733 05:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:22733 05:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:54 which stat does arc use for spellcasting again? 05:59 ah, found it on wiki 06:09 What is this "You sense your surroundings" that happens every so often with clairvoyance? 06:09 clairvoyance should map bits of the level you're on, maybe that's the message telling you it happened 06:09 no, its something newish 06:09 do you see previously unknown bits of map suddenly revealed? 06:09 oh 06:10 it pops up the ";" dialog and lets you move the cursor around 06:10 maybe it's a feature for zen players 06:10 dunno 06:10 It happens when clairvoyance reveals something you can't see, like buried or underwater items, or when you're engulfed. 06:10 interesting 06:10 huh 06:10 mm 06:11 didn't find any info on wiki, btw 06:12 sink on dl:1, I better leave that alone, right? :) 06:12 splice 06:12 For now 06:12 unless you want to get a refreshing drought off the tap. 06:13 hehe, I like my shape, don't need polymorphed into grid bug :) 06:13 grid bugs have an electric attack tho 06:13 lol, alway seeing something positive, I see! :) 06:14 I liked the movie Tron 06:14 back before Disney became evil 06:14 Tron was on TV the other day, but can't remember that quote from it. 06:14 There were grid bugs in that movie 06:14 hehe 06:14 not sure what they were translated to in the German version, sigh 06:15 does anyone know a way to have gold coins in inventory get a letter rather than $ when available? 06:15 i'm pretty sure you cant make gold another letter or make stacks of it 06:15 in nethack 06:16 yeah, I just don't want it to be $, that's awkward to type when using number pad 06:16 looking for an option, not in-game mechanics :) 06:18 they changed something in the loot code that broke stashing gold with BUC items 06:18 can't stash $ and X on the same turn 06:18 used to work in 3.4.3 06:18 I don't have a problem with putting stuff into my bag, just with having to move the right hand to shift to hit it with 4, to get $ 06:19 which was a handy way to stash all my new crap in by BoH 06:19 (4 on the left hand) 06:19 maybe you need a different menustyle, try partial 06:19 I can stash all stuff, including gold, on the same turn 06:20 if I loot by bag, then select $X, it only shows me my gold 06:20 not my uncursed items 06:21 not my unknown BUC items I mean 06:21 I don't select $X, I don't even know what that means. With menustyle partial, I get to put in and take out, and get all my items shown 06:21 Mickmane: Rastertaster 06:22 bhaak, what does that mean? 06:22 Vlakyrie: does changing goldX option change anything? 06:22 and how do I get the game to say 'there is a fountain here' when I step on one? I don't have that line activated. 06:23 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options that sounds as if it applies to Vlakyrie 06:25 anyone know how I get the game to DO the "You see here a(n)..."? 06:26 pile_limit maybe? but i don't think fountains alone have ever given that message 06:26 I'm pretty sure they did, I keep being surprised it doesn't tell me 06:26 Mickmane: Raster is a correct translation for grid. but it's also a technical term that is also "raster" in English. "Taster" from "tasten" as in touch, feel around. 06:26 looks like goldX displays gold with X 06:27 but I used to be able to select both $ and a BUC filter and it would include it in the list 06:27 having grid bug translated as "RasterkƤfer" would have been good enough IMO :) 06:28 bhaak, you meant the grid bug from the movie? 06:28 Vlakyrie: if you think it does not work correctly, do report a bug. 06:28 now if I select $ with a BUC filter, it doesnt show the items at all, just the gold 06:28 Mickmane: yes 06:28 ah, now I get it. That word just came out of nowhere without context to me. :) 06:28 i should just fix it but not tonight 06:29 i have to sleep for 3 hours then go to work 06:29 oh, wow, sleep quick and sweet dreams, Vlakyrie! 06:29 night 06:29 you only get "there is a fountain here" if there's something on the fountain 06:30 I just got "There is a fountain here. You see here a whistle." 06:30 Home 4 $:0 HP:363(363) Pw:29(29) AC:-44 Xp:14 T:23723 Lev 06:30 I think I overprepared for the quesst 06:30 oh, hm. 06:30 Vlakyrie, Bed! :) 06:30 it was a tin whistle 06:31 raisse, do you know a way to have gold not be $ when I want to put it into a bag or otherwise put somewehre else? 06:31 you want gold on an inventory letter? 06:31 yeah, if available 06:31 or some other character than $, customizable would be great 06:31 I think you'll have to compile your own without GOLDOBJ 06:31 because that's what does it, and it's been compiled in by default 06:32 so no, not on the server 06:32 funny, wonder what Amy did in slex 06:32 ask her? 06:32 when she's around maybe 06:32 why don't you want gold to be $? 06:33 because I use number pad, and every time I want to put gold into my bag I have to move my right hand towards shift, to hit that, and 4 with the left hand, to get the $ 06:33 ah right, that's why I've never noticed any problem, I use vikeys 06:33 compilation without GOLDOBJ is no longer an option 06:33 to me they wouldn't make sense, sorry. :) 06:33 slex is 3.4.3 based 06:33 I don't mind gold being $ on the floor, btw 06:34 I know 06:34 that's the object glyph, that's nothing to do with the inventory letter 06:34 welll, I don't know what GOLDOBJ refers to. :) 06:34 no, I mean, gold being on an inventory letter in slex is because it's 3.4.3 based 06:35 it means that gold is treated as a separate category, not just another inventory item 06:35 ok, so I have to get used to $? 06:35 yes 06:35 ah, damn 06:35 yes, unfortunately 06:35 thanks 06:36 I'm the other way round, loved it when GOLDOBJ first became possible 06:36 we are often at opposite ends of a choice/option. :) 06:37 weird, no autopickup in a shop, how do I turn that off? 06:39 !GOLDOBJ still had gold as $, I think 06:40 Mickmane: that's a feature. unpaid objects aren't picked up 06:40 If you use menustyle:full, gold can usually be selected as an object class with either '$' or 'b' 06:40 Andrio, I could try that 06:41 bhaak, no way to turn that off and autopickup? 06:41 goldx classifies gold as unknown, instead of uncursed. 06:41 I think so 06:42 ugh, menustyle full is even worse, asking for type of objects 06:42 Mickmane: you're the first person I've ever seen who *wanted* autopickup on in a shop 06:42 whee, I'm unique. 06:42 sigh 06:43 ;P 06:43 There's another solution 06:43 Murder the shopkeeper 06:43 picking something up separately is an extra turn, no? 06:43 šŸ™ƒ 06:43 Yes 06:44 Mickmane: no, that's hardcoded 06:44 are you going for minturns? 06:44 if not, what difference does it make? 06:44 no, I'm going for not using a turn when I walk through a shop to sort what's in it, and name for price 06:45 I'm already spending ages in a shop, don't need to increase that artificially 06:45 bhaak, boo 06:45 ah. so the real fix is to make autopickup take a turn 06:45 that'd still be better than having to hit , at every step 06:46 you're picking up everything in a shop? 06:46 normally yes, and I name the stuff I autopickup 06:46 including scrolls? 06:46 usually. but if I don't wnat to pick up something from a pile or anything, I can still hit m 06:47 how often do you get in trouble because a scroll turns to dust? 06:47 not often enough to change the behaviour 06:48 besides, scare monster is in autpickup exception 06:48 if you don't know it, autopickup exception don't help 06:48 only *known* scare monster though 06:48 then I can name it and know it 06:48 also, in 3.6. you can hit C and name stuff on the floor! 06:49 I still have to pick it up to sort it by what I want and don't want and what I spread out for the pet to pick up rather than buying. 06:50 why can't they just make options instead of forcing people to a certain playstyle? 06:51 there are already 3215 options 06:51 especially when they drastically changed behaviour. 07:01 A painting of this room depict a battle between glowing eyes and pirates. The 07:01 pirates are winning. 07:01 where does that painting do this? 07:02 when a thrown object slips it's cursed? 07:03 dagger, for example 07:09 why does MENUCOLOR="named c?"=magenta make a wooden runed dagger named slips (at the ready) magenta? 07:12 Because it uses regex 07:12 hm, I don't really understand regex. What can I do so it doesn't make it magenta? 07:13 escape '?' like this: "named c\?" 07:13 ok, thanks! 07:13 '?' basically means whatever comes before it (in this case the 'c') becomes optional. 07:13 ah, thanks 07:13 no problem. 07:14 I'm glad I find all those oddieties before Junethack starts. :) 07:14 at least then I know what to expect. 07:14 and the chat isn't busy with the tournament 07:15 slips means it's cursed? 07:15 Yes 07:15 (or greased) 07:15 ah, but it'd say greased, right? :) 07:15 thanks 07:16 yeah, you'd see that. 07:16 there's some y here, will o the wisp, doesn't sound familiar. Does that explode? 07:20 oh, I like overview showing that there's fountains and shops and stuff without me even annotating the level 07:21 Only 1 d 12 h 39 m 13 s until the tournament starts! 07:21 OMG 07:21 substract a day 07:21 wait, no 07:21 I thought it was tomorrow already 07:22 time is relative 07:22 hehe 07:31 does giant bat meat make you stsunned even when tinned? 07:35 I just noticed something 07:35 Yes. 07:36 They're quite stunning. 07:36 actually, nevermind 07:40 thanks :) 07:41 do I wake a leprechaun on dl:5 or better evade it? 07:44 do you have a bag? 07:44 or throw your gold at it 07:44 yeah, but I'm frail 07:44 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 07:44 I left it sleeping for now 07:44 leppies can only kill you if you're *very* low on HP 07:44 throwing gold at it makes it teleport away, right? 07:44 yeah, kill it later 07:45 no, it makes it unable to teleport away 07:45 oh, interesting! 07:45 it will teleport away after stealing gold 07:45 if you throw all your gold at it, there will be nothing to steal and you can corner it and kill it 07:45 right now I'm at the next spot that's going to kill me. This is much harder than slex 07:46 visible gold, right? 07:46 gold in bag is safe? 07:46 yes, they can't touch gold in a bag 07:46 who knows what else they might ahve changed, better ask! :) 07:46 thanks 07:47 already prayed once to get healed while fighting parrot 07:47 yes 07:47 sorry, channel fail 07:47 now there's a corrupt Kop and some small x 07:47 grid bug 07:49 so I stand on E, , with 12/39hp, one of the nasties in one direction, the other in the other 07:50 I have no pet. 07:50 where can I most likely get a new cat/dog/horse? 07:50 also, better wait on E for more hp? 07:50 I find that Sokoban is a good place to go when you need a pet. 07:50 sounds like a plan, thanks 07:51 oh, baby crocodile joined the club of "We're out to eat Mickmane" 07:51 hey, flying, I don't smudge E? 07:52 ok, it did smudge eventually 07:54 another odd message about an image. "A tapestry of this room depict a battle between vorpal jabberwocks and baby 07:54 shimmering dragons. The vorpal jabberwocks are winning." 07:58 what level can I expect oracle again, and then sokoban? 07:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a plains centaur, on T:8475 07:59 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Dra Dro Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3119 07:59 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Dra Dro Fem Neu), 518 points, T:3122, slain by a large mimic 08:03 Not what I want to see: @ooooo 08:04 game said I can now disarm, how do I do that? 08:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:09 oops, zappped wand while on E, forgot about the new stuff 08:10 Mickmane: use #technique 08:11 tring #te didn't autocomplete to anything 08:11 you're playing splice i take it 08:11 ah, needs tec 08:11 yes 08:11 thanks 08:11 !whereis Mickmane 08:11 Mickmane: [hdf-us] Mickmane [spl]: (Arc Ang Mal Law) T:1711 The Dungeons of Doom level: 4 08:11 splice has a lot of what you want but a lot you don't want as well 08:11 huh? I'm on d: 9 08:11 what's the what I don't want stuff? 08:12 also, it's turn 2971 08:12 that's odd 08:12 well you don't want a bunch of the new monsters 08:12 razor dragon eg 08:12 what do theey do? 08:13 hit really hard 08:13 The image thing is from Dwarf Fortress 08:13 <{Demo}2> 2 days until jnh, yikes 08:13 I can live with some new monsters, if it's not a bazillion that are all basically the same. 08:13 mm 08:13 ah, I don't know that game, and I don't really get what it's trying to say, as there are no images/paintings 08:13 <{Demo}2> wait doesn't it start UTC? 08:13 splice is a kitchen-sink variant 08:13 so, what do I do with this rope golem? 08:13 There are there. 08:14 what#s a kitchen-sink variant? I only know everyone and their kitchen sink does this or that. :) 08:14 Vanilla literally has kitchen sinks 08:14 the paintings and tapestries are flavour warning you about monsters you might encounter, like statues in vanilla 08:14 oh 08:15 can I please have the statues (with + inside) instead? :) 08:15 kitchen-sink variants throw in stuff because more stuff 08:15 there are still statues 08:16 I haven't by far seen as many... let's call them noise monsters, as i white noise on the TV, all pretty uniform ... as in slex so far 08:16 as in* 08:17 is there any restriction in how fast I can use E again after I accidentally used a /ocold on monsters while on one? 08:17 this rope golem wants to eat me 08:17 not in splice 08:17 ah, phew 08:17 I want a pet! 08:18 already xl:6, that's not nice 08:18 well, sitting on E to heal isn't helping with the monsters. 08:18 i had a pet zombie dragon in my last splice game, was really cool 08:19 does having a woodchuck turn up mean there's an oracle, even if it's not in the middle of the level? 08:19 lol, nice! 08:19 it didn't eat though, did it? 08:19 well it sort of did. there was this bug 08:20 do dragons wield and wear things in splice? 08:20 nope 08:20 nice! 08:20 keep the wiki pages open, but be aware that the wiki is way behind 08:21 btw, I went through the variant page on the wiki, and found splice is closest to what I would like (and I know slashem - as well as I know nethack, with my fuzzy memory - so those extra monsters are ok) 08:21 based on what you've said, i'd agree 08:21 I do check wiki :) 08:21 yay 08:21 now, how do I not kill this poor surrounded arc? 08:21 covering on E 08:21 I have basically nothing, just unid'd stuff 08:22 oh, and a wand of cold with unknown charges 08:22 no wand of digging? 08:22 nno 08:22 pickaxe 08:22 yeah that's too slow 08:22 that'd probably ruin the E and take too long 08:22 E doesn't work when there's just an object on it, right? 08:23 not any more 08:23 oops, was looking, but then walking accidentally 08:24 silver curved sword, is that a saber? 08:24 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 08:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 08:24 yeah 08:24 ah, no. it's a scimitar 08:24 sorry 08:24 ah 08:24 are there fake artifacts in splice? 08:24 brain fart 08:24 happens :) 08:25 yeah there are named weapons that aren't real artifacts 08:25 hill orc, wielding silver curved sword named Sword of Carnage 08:25 i don't recall if named weapons are enchanted. they are in other variants 08:26 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 08:27 well i'm out for the day. good luck 08:27 see you :) 08:28 -!- workimer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9582 08:29 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:32 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:38 -!- Vlakyrie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:39 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 08:39 great, an f, not a cat, it's a jaguar 08:49 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:53 wow, I accidentally swapped places with a peaceful dwarf, that's new 09:04 I have a pet! 09:05 experimentally threw a banana to a monkey. :) 09:06 and it's dead :( 09:07 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 09:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:07 Mickmane: Threw the banana too hard_ 09:07 ? 09:07 no, gnomes killed it 09:08 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 09:08 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org Ā¤ JunetHack 2019 tournament is almost upon us, registration is OPEN. Hurry - Up - https://junethack.net 09:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:09 mind, something here seems to have emptied a /oCM past a bottleneck 09:10 !who 09:10 K2: [hdf-us] RedArrow [nh363] oh6 [nh363] disbi [nh4] Noah [spl] Mickmane [spl] | [hdf-eu] janekw [nh363] zavtraleto [un] 09:10 ah need to wait for au beholder to finish loading 09:10 !who 09:10 K2: [hdf-us] RedArrow [nh363] oh6 [nh363] disbi [nh4] Noah [spl] Mickmane [spl] | [hdf-eu] janekw [nh363] zavtraleto [un] | [hdf-au] No current players 09:10 !whereis Mickmane 09:10 Mickmane: [hdf-us] Mickmane [spl]: (Arc Ang Mal Law) T:1711 The Dungeons of Doom level: 4 09:11 there, that's still the message from earlier, I'm in mines right now 09:11 one sec 09:12 the whereis file is wrong heh 09:12 save your game and restart it 09:12 see if it generates the right one 09:12 done 09:12 !whereis Mickmane 09:12 K2: [hdf-us] Mickmane [spl]: (Arc Ang Mal Law) T:4573 The Gnomish Mines level: 5 09:12 that's correct 09:12 nice! :) 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Pri Elf Fem Cha) murdered McGee, her faithful kitten, on T:661 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 219 points, T:661, killed by a scroll of earth 09:18 wow, my arc angel has a research techniuqe that id's stuff 09:28 <@Tone> I think the named weapons in xnh are more likely to be enchanted, if not guaranteed 09:31 its like fourk i think 09:32 <{Demo}2> fourk over some jnh trophies pls 09:33 hey! eat with your fourk 09:36 what's better, burdened, or no mithril elven ring mail? 09:37 -!- Hekik has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:38 <@Tone> Depends on your AC with and without the armor 09:38 with it's 2 09:38 without, not sure, worse of course 09:38 7 09:39 xl7, minetown, with main dungeon full of meanies 09:39 no pet! 09:39 <@Tone> You probably want that ac depending on the weight 09:39 I think apart from tinning kit and pickaxe, the armour is the heaviest I carry. 09:39 Only -5 AC? 09:39 <@Tone> In situations like that, if I can't make room then I tend to stick with being "strategically burdened" 09:40 hehe, sounds like me. 09:40 <@Tone> Which means drop your stuff when you need to be faster 09:40 Andrio, should it be more? 09:42 <@Tone> What is your weapon if you're ditching your pick axe? 09:42 +2 bullwhip 09:42 !whereis Mickmane 09:42 Mickmane: [hdf-us] Mickmane [spl]: (Arc Ang Mal Law) T:4573 The Gnomish Mines level: 5 09:42 there, that's my char 09:42 wait 09:43 K2, you around? it's showing the old one again, I'm on mines 6 on turn 5k+ now 09:43 but I'm using my pickaxe to hit stuff with it, and dig my way around the dungeon 09:44 <@Tone> Tinning kit is mostly good for getting poison resistance 09:44 !whereis Mickmane 09:44 Mickmane: [hdf-us] Mickmane [spl]: (Arc Ang Mal Law) T:5434 The Gnomish Mines level: 6 09:44 <@Tone> Although I'm guessing angles have that already? 09:44 weird, it only updates when I save and load 09:44 I got that poison res already 09:44 no, I felt healthy from eating something 09:45 rothes outside the shop... 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:24133 09:48 why is my inventory showing b - before a -? 09:49 probably sortloot? 09:50 hah, fixed that :) 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24387 09:58 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 10:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 1646 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:62392 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:62644 10:19 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 10:27 !tell Mickmane "Gitterfehler" :D also you're not the only one who wants that autpickup of course works in a shop; otherwise, you have to waste a damn turn to pick up every damn item, which is completely unacceptable! 3.6 is a variant, not vanilla :P 10:27 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 10:31 I used to waste a few turns dropping every damn item 10:31 then remember to turn autopickup off 10:32 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 10:32 well thankfully I'm playing slex (and dnhslex), where picking up or dropping items rightfully doesn't use turns :D 10:34 <{Demo}2> what 10:34 <{Demo}2> that's dumb I'm gonna abuse it 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:25447 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:25448 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 27 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:63387 10:35 {Demo}2: how? 10:35 <{Demo}2> I'll get back to you on that 10:38 oh wait, in dnhslex it's actually not a free action, so if Chris made something that would be exploitable if it was a free action, it can't be abused in dnhslex 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:25572 10:42 <{Demo}2> dammit 10:42 <{Demo}2> nevermind then 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Valkyrie (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 cloak of protection", on T:25656 10:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:49 <@luxidream> !who 10:49 @luxidream: [hdf-us] autolycus [nh363] oh6 [nh363] Valkyrie [nh363] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Tangles [nh363] 11:02 T:37079 - monster death-drops a pair of speed boots. 11:02 Does dgamelaunch/the other server code add anything to the process of recovering crashed games? 11:03 Chris_ANG: Not really. We have it configured to back up the save at the start of each session, so you can always recover to the last time you saved as a last resort. 11:04 but otherwise, we just use the recover program that gets built with the game. 11:05 How long are copies of the save preserved? 11:05 But the question is, is either pair of boots +5? 11:05 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 11:05 dnh has long been plagued by the dungeon deletion bug, which I still can't find. 11:06 One thing that might help with that is to alter the crash recovery process to just sling the whole contents of the directory into a .tar or something before attempting to recover. 11:06 So that if something goes wrong, the original state is preserved. 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:65227 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:65228 11:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:15 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:20 Chris_ANG: Just until overwritten by the next one (we only keep the most recent) 11:21 Chris_ANG: Yeah I remember that bug. It happened to me last JNH. 11:21 Have you found a way to reproduce it reliably? 11:21 Nope :/ 11:22 I think I'm going to make it just re-generate any missing levels, so affected games can continue, 11:22 but that doesn't really fix the problem. 11:24 I think I recovered by extracting the levels out of an old save (probably the aforementioned backup), but I lost some stuff that I'd left on one of those levels since the previous save was made. 11:24 a couple of alignment keys, but fortunately not the candelabrum or anything really important. 11:25 Based on the behavior of a different bug, I believe the cause is a rare crash during save recovery, but I haven't been able to trigger it. 11:26 Yeah I'm trying to remember if a recovery from a different crash caused it in my case. I think it may have. 11:27 at least given that much info, yes we should back up the whole directory before attempting any recoveries. 11:28 Yeah. The trouble with recover seems to be that it starts making changes before it knows if it will succeed or not. 11:28 Is that something you can do on your end, or do I need to make changes to recover? 11:32 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 11:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 11:32 No I think it's easier to just do it on the server. 11:34 Actually, I started to make a wrapper script for recover the other day. I could add some backup commands to that. 11:35 In the mean time we can just do it manually. I'll let K2 know. 11:35 Ok, thanks :) 11:35 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:36 No worries, and good luck chasing down that bug. It's a tricky one! 11:37 <{Demo}2> I'm excited to find out the cause one day 11:37 <{Demo}2> I still think it might somehow be monster twowep related 11:39 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 11:39 It might be. It's been happening for longer than monster twowep has been a thing, but there can easily be multiple bugs with those same symptoms. 11:40 <{Demo}2> It has? Thought it didn't crop up until 3.16.0 11:40 That reminds me that I was meaning to add some checking code to try to detect bad two-weps faster. 11:44 I have vague recollections of two-wep related error messages appearing before my game went bad last year, but that could have been coincidence (was on the ana quest home level I think) 11:44 Well, *there's* a bug. The restore code *complains* about bad monster swap weapons but doesn't actually fix them. 11:44 lol 11:44 Lazy code. 11:45 Oh, never mind, I can't read. 11:45 It fixes them *then* complains. 11:47 Anyway I have to crash. 'Night! 11:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:50 night :) 11:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:58 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:67031 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:67033 12:04 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 12:15 [hdf-us] [un] ttc1401 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1981 points, T:2536, killed by a rothe 12:34 [hdf-us] [un] ttc1401 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2557 points, T:1915, killed by a fire ant 12:34 -!- Skylord_Guthix1 has joined #hardfought 12:36 bhaak: a fair amount of variant versions are still incorrect --> https://junethack.net/servers 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh4] hPR22 (disbi) (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 37900 points, T:7336, killed by a wolf, while engraving 12:36 my OCD is kicking into high gear 12:38 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Unholydonuts (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:5306 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh4] hPR12 (disbi) (Pri Hum Fem Law), 12936 points, T:864, killed by a wand 12:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Unholydonuts (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:5979 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh4] hWI3 (disbi) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 18215 points, T:1132, killed by a giant rat, while fainted from lack of food 13:01 -!- Skylord_Guthix1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:05 <{Demo}2> what time does jnh start? 13:06 i'd guess 00:00 UTC june 1st 13:06 Only 1 d 6 h 53 m 44 s until the tournament starts! 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh4] eWD1 (disbi) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10931 points, T:789, killed by a Ms. Upernavik, the shopkeeper 13:11 \o/ 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had a pair of walking shoes entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:3232 13:12 Sporkhack updated (all servers) 13:12 ^ reverted buggy autorecovery code 13:12 ^^ @Luxidream 13:13 <@luxidream> ty 13:13 <@luxidream> hopefully I'll suffer less during jnh now 13:13 me too 13:13 {Demo}2 junethack runs off of UTC 13:13 so it kicks off 8pm tomorrow our time 13:14 <{Demo}2> thank god it's on a Friday 13:14 * K2 has already stocked up on drinks and licky-chewies 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh4] hPR4 (disbi) (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 12141 points, T:283, killed by a sewer rat 13:15 <@luxidream> stenno said he would give me lollipops for letting him have first ascension 13:16 <@luxidream> still don't have any 13:16 you will get first for free 13:17 who says you'll get first asc @luxidream? 13:17 or stenno 13:17 <@luxidream> šŸ˜¦ 13:17 <@luxidream> I wanted lollipops but okay 13:17 maybe it'll be someone we dont even know 13:17 or no one 13:17 YOU DONT KNOW :P 13:17 <{Demo}2> I will steal first cause I'm secretly 50m speed runner 13:17 <{Demo}2> I can do 363 in 50 minutes cause I'm fast 13:17 probably one of the bots will get first asc 13:18 <@luxidream> no one gets first ascension 13:18 i assume that the registered bots are swagginzzz bots 13:18 <@luxidream> no one even ascends during junethack 13:18 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 13:18 either that or bothack 3.4.3 bots 13:18 <{Demo}2> isn't swaginnz against rules? 13:18 <{Demo}2> cause rng manip 13:19 <@luxidream> doesn't swagginzz require multiple aws instances 13:19 oh good point {Demo}2 13:19 <@luxidream> how fast can bothack ascend anyway 13:19 <{Demo}2> pudding farming, however, is fine (thanks bothack) 13:19 <{Demo}2> sloe 13:20 <@luxidream> I think it got like 1h50 last year 13:20 <{Demo}2> if I were to run bothack I'd do it my region aws against nao 13:20 <@luxidream> in 343 13:21 <@luxidream> historically no competing clan has ever had bots on their team? 13:21 <{Demo}2> I have an idea, go on a field trip up to nova to break into aws data center to run bothack faster so I can win the lollipop for first asc 13:21 junethack allows bots. i asked bhaak earlier this month for clarification on his stance with clans that had bots w/ human players 13:21 no reply so far 13:21 bhaak ^ 13:22 <{Demo}2> if it's ok I'm gonna run a bothack instance named luxibot 13:22 the hardfought server policy is - no bots 13:22 <{Demo}2> against nao NOT HDF cause I can't do anything fun on hdf 13:22 dont care what tournament says you can or not 13:23 if it didnt strain cpu resources on the server it wouldnt be that big a deal 13:23 <{Demo}2> first rule of hdf: NO FUN second rule of hdf: ESPECIALLY DURING JNH :P 13:23 <{Demo}2> but yea 13:23 <{Demo}2> especially now that it's a smaller boy 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh4] gWD2 (disbi) (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 9677 points, T:715, killed by a fox 13:23 faster cores, but 4 cores vs 8 now 13:23 <{Demo}2> yeah I got to see the cpu usage when doing dumb things when u were gone 13:23 * K2 whips out the demo ban bat 13:23 go on... 13:24 K2: I said "we didn't have this yet so we didn't need a stance on that" 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Unholydonuts (Val Dwa Fem Law), 12433 points, T:8147, killed by an exploding wand 13:24 bhaak: ah ok 13:24 <{Demo}2> u could tell the number of cores by the percent usage 13:24 <{Demo}2> i.e. if it was 25% usage, that meant 4 cores 13:24 so feel free to plan ahead maybe? run some scenarios in your head? ;) 13:24 @luxidream regarding first asc, as i said i will be at a concert tomorrow - there is a slim chance that i will start a game at 1AM my time but its highly unlikely 13:25 demo you mean 1 core 13:25 <{Demo}2> bhaak you've seen terminator, right? run that one through ur head 13:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:25 i will hopefully be utterly destroyed after the concert 13:25 nah 13:26 jedi have stamina 13:26 lol 13:26 its a high energy concert :D 13:26 eat a sandwich 13:26 i will do that but i doubt it will be enough 13:26 eat another sandwich 13:26 caffeine and sugar tablets 13:26 i don't think that energy stacks like that 13:27 maybe a few of those 5 hour energy things 13:27 maybe do some PCP? 13:27 What's PCP? 13:27 evil drug 13:27 that nobody should take 13:27 (seriously) 13:27 Ah 13:28 and if you were to ingest more than one 5 hr energy drink in one sitting, you'd OD on vitamin B6/B12 13:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxFRO9pRlwE here is another live session from the band from 2013 (warning: NSFW, very loud music, flashing lights, profanities etc) 13:28 Eh, you'd probably live long enough to get an ascension in if you're a speedrunner 13:29 besides don't they have 5 hour energy extra strength things too 13:29 they do 13:29 its just more caffine 13:29 <{Demo}2> 5 hr energy is a great mixer 13:30 i used to drink one a day every day for months until recently 13:30 if i missed a day, i'd get these *wicked* caffine withdrawl headaches 13:30 worst headachs i've ever had 13:31 stopped drinking them - no more headaches 13:31 \o/ 13:31 did you get less energetic 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1008 points, T:3579, zombified by a gnome zombie 13:32 waking up is a bit more difficult yeah 13:32 but worth it 13:33 <{Demo}2> those things seem like they shorten ur life expectancy 13:33 those headaches were just brutal 13:33 <{Demo}2> like just doesn't seem healthy 13:33 {Demo}2 you're prob right 13:34 so do you still drink or coffee or 13:34 K2: new diet plan: six days a week you eat nothing but chocolate covered coffee beans. On Sundays you can have what you want. 13:34 <{Demo}2> it's way more fun to waste away ur life expectancy recreationally rather than compulsively 13:34 <{Demo}2> I like this plan 13:34 I know people recovering from, say, an alcohol addiction can get back to square one in a single drink sometimes 13:35 PavelB I have never drank coffee. its bean juice. yuk 13:35 jonadab: ugh i cant 13:35 PavelB: That's partly because alcohol has a mutual relationship with depression. 13:35 chocolate == good, coffe beans == bad 13:35 Being depressed makes people want to drink, and drinking makes them depressed. 13:35 K2: Indeed. 13:35 the trick is to put enough sugar milk and caramel syrup in the coffee that it's not recognizable as coffee anymore 13:36 Oh, I don't consume anything that has significant amounts of coffee in it, because I dislike the smell. 13:36 i'll have some coffee with my cho syrup please 13:36 I do eat the chocolate cake we make that has one tsp of (prepared liquid hot) coffee in the frosting. 13:36 but ok, not coffee. lots of teas and soft drinks have a bunch of caffeine in them too 13:36 that'll be 12 dollars (starbucks) 13:36 <{Demo}2> do you drink caffinated tea? 13:36 no 13:37 nor soft drinks 13:37 <{Demo}2> what about herbal teas? 13:37 nope 13:37 I drink most kinds of tea. Not chamomile though. 13:37 just water and booze 13:37 <{Demo}2> what about essential oils? 13:37 Don't like chamomile tea for some reason. 13:37 <{Demo}2> what about photosynthesis? 13:37 lol 13:37 heh 13:37 I _mostly_ drink tapwater and skim milk. 13:37 i am powered by a 'mr. fusion' 13:38 I drink milk and arizona tea basically 13:38 so you're the delorean for back to the future? 13:38 from the future 13:38 yes 13:38 between me and my coworkers we get through enough arizona to build cool forts with the cans 13:38 * K2 asks for an empty miller light beer can and a banana peel 13:38 do you do that in the office 13:39 build arizona (tm) can fort 13:39 sometimes 13:39 currently though we just use them for privacy dividers 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:29959 13:42 actually yesterday I found out if you go to alibaba you can find a bulk rate of 4000 cans of arizona for eighty bucks 13:42 2 cents a can? 13:42 that's ridiculous 13:43 * jonadab is probably more from the past than from the future. 13:43 The delorean from 1985. 13:43 in this state you could actually make a killing with the deposit off that many cans for that cheap... 13:43 <{Demo}2> what the hell that's a lot of cans 13:43 well not exactly a killing i guess 13:43 * jonadab can't fly :-( 13:43 but an insane profit margin 13:43 (Except in an airplane, obviously.) 13:44 it's a bit less than 4000 13:44 it's 80 48-packs, so 3840 13:44 <{Demo}2> enough for free Arizona? 13:44 oh 13:44 I'm dumb 13:44 extra zero 13:44 so the deposit on all those combined would be $384 in this state 13:44 <{Demo}2> oh it's 800 for that? 13:44 actually wait 13:44 I can't math 13:44 he said it was 80 bucks 13:44 for the 3840 13:45 When I lived in Michigan, all beverage containers had a legally mandatory ten cent deposit, and every place that sold beverages had to take them. 13:45 48 * 80 = 3840 everything checks out 13:45 <{Demo}2> how is it a dollar fr a 48 pack? 13:45 but i doubt alibaba is going to charge me a 10-cent deposit so... 13:45 It was supposed to reduce litter, but near as I could tell, the litter was _worse_ in Michigan than in Ohio (which does not have said deposits but does have large fines for littering). 13:45 It's probably surplus from somewhere that needs to get rid of it fast 13:45 also it's fkn alibaba 13:46 youd be surprised how cheap certain stuff is in china 13:46 <{Demo}2> is it potableM 13:46 <{Demo}2> ? 13:47 It's hard to compare prices in China to anywhere else, because the currency's exchange rate is artificially manipulated, and nobody really knows by exactly how much. 13:47 well it's canned tea so let's hope it's potable 13:47 <{Demo}2> like I'm scared those would be made with sewer water at that price 13:47 And purchasing power parity is weird, because some things are more expensive than others. (That's true any time you cross a large amount of area.) 13:48 {Demo}2: If it's exported to the West, it's _probably_ ok. 13:48 If you're _in_ China, trust nothing. 13:48 have you been to china jonadab 13:48 I haven't. 13:49 I found the actual listing so I don't have to make up numbers from memory: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Arizona-Green-Tea-24x50cl-Iced-Tea-_50034816607.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.2.a13696fbUo7u2k 13:49 I actually have never been off the continent of North America. 13:49 Not for lack of desire. 13:49 I keep telling myself, when I retire, I'm gonna move someplace overseas, with a reasonably favorable exchange rate and a noticeably different culture from here, and stay for at least a couple of years. 13:50 <{Demo}2> wonder how much shipping is for this? 13:50 good question 13:51 probably not much 13:51 at least shipping from hong kong is insanely cheap 13:51 looks like it ships from Rotterdam 13:52 <{Demo}2> but it's a whole ass pallet 13:52 ...then why is it on alibaba if it's shipping from Rotterdam 13:53 also it looks like it's way more expensive than $1/box? 13:53 <{Demo}2> wait rotterdam probably has potable water 13:54 Overseas shipping costs a lot if you're shipping a one-off item. But if you're shipping enough that you can put together container loads, it's muuuuuuch cheaper. 13:54 Yeah it's about 10$ a box 13:54 but a box is 50 cans 13:54 I finally found where my math went off 13:54 yes 13:54 by a factor of ten 13:54 Lost a zero multiplying 10 and 80 13:54 and got 80 13:54 well there goes my alibaba bottle deposit scheme 13:55 still 20 cents per can 13:55 those normally go 99c individually 13:55 man i'm not gonna drink that much tea 13:55 at our office we totally would 13:56 might take a half a year I guess 13:57 NCommander: ping, are you here? in case you're still feeling bad, I have a story for you that might make you feel better :D 13:57 * NCommander falls down the stairs an ontop of LarienTelrunya 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] autolycus (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 20263 points, T:13651, killed by a bolt of lightning 13:57 yo NCommander! remember how you gave me that old castle of the winds? 13:57 Yeah? 13:57 !lastgame autolycus 13:57 StatueSurfer: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/autolycus/nethack/dumplog/1559160695.nh.txt 13:58 well guess what, my first character finally died... BECAUSE OF A FUCKING INTERFACE SCREW! 13:58 wow 13:58 the maker of slex 13:58 because some GENIUS programmer made it so that the "RESTART" option is right next to the button that saves the game, has no confirmation, and IMMEDIATELY ends your game. 13:58 complaining about interface screws 13:58 I'd probably have ascended that one too... 13:59 but since I don't feel like redoing the last 30 minutes of the game, I'm going to cheat now :P 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:123 14:00 !lastgame StatueSurfer 14:00 StatueSurfer: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/StatueSurfer/nethack/dumplog/1558925879.nh.txt 14:01 LarienTelrunya, lol, I feel like a crack dealer. I should pack my old 380D and give it to you running Windows 3.1 14:01 :D 14:02 LarienTelrunya, I recently rediscovered Escape Velocity Nova 14:02 huh, no idea what that is 14:02 LarienTelrunya, a game series that made it worth owning a classic Mac 14:03 ugh, IMHO macs are scrap iron :P 14:03 what could possibly make me want to get a mac D: 14:03 i don't hate myself 14:10 <{Demo}2> becoming cyber 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh4] gWD3 (disbi) (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 33222 points, T:3933, killed by a killer bee 14:11 well they are killers 14:12 [hdf-us] [slex] iyarkonan (Cel Mag Mal Cha), 0 points, T:4, killed by quaffing from a poisoned well 14:12 LarienTelrunya, that's how I feel these days but I have a mac in high school and college before returning to PCs 14:13 heh, hopefully you can upgrade to a 486 at least, it'll probably be several times faster than the mac :D 14:14 <{Demo}2> everybody has the same hardware now anyways 14:15 LarienTelrunya, my powerpc chip screamed out in pain before being suddenly silenced. 14:18 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 14:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 14:19 o/ 14:21 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:32368 14:24 alright I ascended that old CoW now, with the help of cheats, but bah... could have been a nice game if it wasn't so full of interface screws and bugs :P 14:24 modern CoW is so much better 14:24 also that old version allows you to cast word of recall to simply skip the ascension run lol 14:24 "could have been a nice game if it wasn't so full of interface screws" 14:24 that's how i feel about slex 14:25 StatueSurfer: hey, at least slex doesn't have a button right next to the save button that immediately ends your game without a prompt! 14:26 <@luxidream> and why not? 14:26 that feels like a potential nasty trap effect 14:26 the "false sense of security" trap 14:26 removes all paranoid options 14:26 -!- inari has joined #hardfought 14:26 oh there is a slex nastytrap that removes paranoid confirmation for walking into water or traps 14:27 because of course there is 14:27 <{Demo}2> hey Amy how often do ppl call u a nasty trap? 14:27 LarienTelrunya, also paranoid confirm with save/quit? :) 14:28 NCommander: nah, #quit will always require a full "yes" 14:28 why would *saving* need a paranoid confirm? 14:28 will something terrible happen if i accidentally save? 14:28 {Demo}2: on 4chan, rather often (although not with that exact wording) 14:28 althought considering this is slex, that might be a possibility... 14:29 you're on 4chan? 14:29 suddenly everything makes sense 14:29 [hdf-us] [slex] iyarkonan (Lad Atl Mal Cha), 24 points, T:21, killed by a monster (river moccasin) 14:29 StatueSurfer, my theory is LarienTelrunya is actually a sentient pair of bundles that took over the body of a (probably willing) host 14:30 hmmm 14:30 seems plausible 14:30 don't forget the shoes. 14:31 -!- Hekik has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:31 paxed, I assume the shoe fetish is due to the bundles being unable to reach her feet and thus want what's forever out of reach. 14:32 ;) 14:32 we covet what we cant have 14:32 something remotely resembling logic in slex? 14:32 i know what you mean 14:33 doh 14:33 NCommander: ever play Plague, Inc? 14:33 elenmirie_, yup 14:33 slex is like playing nethack on lsd without taking lsd 14:33 I'm thinking Neurax worm, bundle edition 14:33 and that in itself is interesting imo 14:33 ... that's far too likely >.> 14:33 <{Demo}2> whoa 14:33 ;) 14:34 that's funny because when i make my variant i plan to add a role called "Slex player" 14:34 * NCommander moves to Magiscar and closes ALL THE BORDERS 14:34 with permanent incurable hallucination 14:34 StatueSurfer, that's already a thing in SLEX 14:34 * elenmirie_ hides in Greenland 14:34 to emulate how slex feels for the average player 14:34 permahallu is already a game mode in some variants 14:34 i am aware of that 14:34 i think at least in xnethack 14:35 that is a slight issue with trying to parody slex 14:35 it already has too much insanity 14:35 heh 14:35 StatueSurfer, a SLEX parody would be a completely serious variant 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 944 points, T:2188, killed by a snake 14:36 still permahallu in vanilla is about as class as that can get to how slex feels all the time without changing too much 14:36 *as close as that can get 14:37 i would have their quest artifact block their hallucination though 14:37 StatueSurfer: when will you finally make your variant? :D 14:37 since obviously if you can beat your quest in slex, you know what's going on 14:37 someday LarienTelrunya 14:37 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 14:37 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:37 StatueSurfer, I actually beat my quest in SLEX, I died in the bell caves though 14:37 and of course the quest nemesis would be Amy 14:38 with a ton of unresistable BS attacks to try to take you out 14:38 NCommander: do you remember After Dark, the screensaver with fleecy-colored modules? https://abload.de/img/fleecyscreensaver6njy8.png ā™„ 14:38 interface screws 14:38 "Amy throws a block sandal at your head. You feel strange attracted to Amy. Amy smiles, rips out your spleen and beats you to death with it" 14:38 LarienTelrunya, FLYING TOASTERS 14:38 :D 14:39 well I'm more interested in the modules that draw fleecy-colored things on the screen, e.g. string theory, down the drain, gravity, lasers, rose etc. 14:39 no Amy's taunts would just be copies of messages like "You feel deathly sick." 14:40 LarienTelrunya, I have to wonder what Amy's mind is like. I'm assuming LSD would produce similar effects 14:40 StatueSurfer: prophecy: your variant won't be nearly as slexy as the actual slex, because you can't compete with me at slexification! :D 14:40 well yeah 14:40 this is probably true 14:40 my goal is to mostly just rebalance vanilla 14:40 StatueSurfer, all he has to do is fork SLEX and then add major brands of shoes. 14:40 the slex player role is just a joke 14:41 rebalance how? 14:41 what would be really evil would be making their quest monster green slimes, and then giving Amy cursed scrolls of create monster 14:42 mostly making Nom more difficult 14:42 and in engaging 14:42 StatueSurfer, pfft, give every monster cursed scrolls of teleportation 14:42 make it shorter but more intense 14:42 Have fun finding Vlad 14:42 yeah that sounds like a good idea 14:42 add a demon lord and make the nine circles of hell 14:43 actually i'd just have every level be a special level 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 561 points, T:1319, killed by a gnome 14:43 just to reduce the floor count 14:43 oh and remove the mysterious force in exchange for the Amulet blocking teleportation 14:44 have you seen how evilhack does it? 14:44 no 14:45 i like unnethacks gehennom, especially the ascension run 14:45 that, plus extra-strong monster generation on upstairs 14:45 regarding design, i think xnethacks is best atm 14:45 level design that is 14:45 i was also planning to add stronger monsters 14:45 including more with acid attacks 14:45 * elenmirie_ dons apron 14:46 make ydsm great again 14:46 yeah 14:46 evilhack makes "oMB great again 14:46 stenno: do it!!! slex needs more monsters too :D 14:47 wrong hilight? :P 14:47 slex needs more monsters like something with too much of something already needs more of that something 14:48 I'm off, quiz league 14:48 hf 14:48 stenno: oh huh 14:48 wanted to say StatueSurfer 14:48 and "st" autocompleted wrong 14:48 stenno you'd like evilhack too then 14:48 in that regard (gehennom) 14:49 pretty sure that i will like it, yeah 14:49 i liked it so far 14:49 StatueSurfer would like evilhack too, methinks 14:49 * stenno realizes he has to quit his ndnh game 14:49 yeah probably not 14:49 did you ever make it past the valley? 14:49 thats really a pity 14:49 K2: no 14:50 it was in the votd where The Thing Happened 14:50 ah 14:50 ;-; 14:50 the evilhack page on the wiki is shaping up finally 14:50 hothraxxa and i have been working on it 14:50 k2 have you actually ascended evilhack yet 14:50 no 14:50 yay proper documentation 14:51 lol 14:51 too busy coding 14:51 the developer is always last to ascend lol 14:51 i was thinking that all i see you do is splat on evilhack... 14:51 i will for junethack tho 14:51 unless you're amy elenmirie_ 14:51 yeah most of those games are test games 14:51 me? yeah :) 14:51 I splat lots 14:51 last few days they were serious games 14:51 still splatted a lot 14:51 that's why I'm in teamsplat 14:51 oof 14:51 Splat! 14:52 * elenmirie_ kicks an egg 14:52 heh, I'd almost not have been the first to ascend slex 14:52 thats ok tho 14:52 my record speaks for itself 14:52 0-infinity 14:52 #5 overall zscore 14:52 * K2 flexes 14:52 hehe 14:52 !asc evilhack 14:52 StatueSurfer: [hdf-us] No ascensions for StatueSurfer in evilhack. | [hdf-eu] No ascensions for StatueSurfer in evilhack. | [hdf-au] No ascensions for StatueSurfer in evilhack. 14:52 that would be impressive, except I'm #4 14:53 * elenmirie_ flexes more 14:53 who's #1 14:53 challenge - accepted 14:53 luxi is now 14:53 hehe 14:53 of course 14:53 is passed tariru 14:53 he 14:53 * stenno only #8 :/ 14:53 who's #3 then 14:53 tariru, luxi - legends 14:53 Tariru is little the One of NetHack variatns 14:53 *variants 14:53 *literally 14:54 my goodness can i type 14:54 no 14:54 welcome to the club 14:54 anyway 14:54 ugjk;hgljfhyuil 14:54 imo tariru is still on another level than luxi 14:54 Tariru can see the RNG itself 14:54 he knows what the game is thinking 14:54 i want to see Tariru give evilhack a try 14:54 tariru is god-tier, luxi is demigod tier 14:54 he has transcended this mortal plane 14:55 tariru leans heavily on e-word tho 14:55 he's ascended to demigodhood, in real life 14:55 if luxi breaks adeons realtime record, he might be considered god? 14:55 and luxidream 14:55 maybe, idk 14:55 luxi is prob too scared to play evilhack... 14:55 hah 14:55 * K2 looks at @luxidream 14:56 i think evilhack is too scared to have Luxi play it 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:22014 14:56 <@luxidream> look I'll die to a zombie and you'll call me bad 14:56 i already do 14:56 !asc God 14:56 NCommander: No games for God. 14:56 whats new? 14:56 uess od doesn't play NtHack 14:56 should be relatively straightforward if you played grunt and spork already 14:56 rip g 14:56 *guess God doesn't play NetHack 14:56 <@luxidream> I don't use E 14:56 luxi did asc sporkhack recently 14:56 <@luxidream> but I also can't streak 14:56 so then 14:56 so he's ready 14:57 despite the game itself's best efforts to stop him 14:57 via segfault 14:57 <@luxidream> I had to do ascension run 3 times 14:57 welp 14:57 oof 14:57 Tangles addressed the segfault 14:57 the best part of the game 14:57 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 14:57 and i removed the buggy autorecover code that was deleting most of the dungeon files 14:57 actually spork asc run is pretty brutal 14:58 <@luxidream> thankfully even with the wizard's -20 AC I managed to hit him with death wands 14:58 so i am hoping between those 2, spork is more stable 14:58 "Rodney casts a spell. The dungeon collapses!" 14:59 <@luxidream> I have to do more speedrun attempts...but it's so tilting 14:59 <@luxidream> I don't know adeon grinded them out for a month 14:59 <@luxidream> maybe I'll do some practice runs in explore mode 14:59 YKYHBPTMNW you even dream of it. Like giving someone the tin opener (I'd bought in the actual game) to open some just made tins. And other weird stuff I can't quite remember. 14:59 Mickmane: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-05-30 10:27 EDT: "Gitterfehler" :D also you're not the only one who wants that autpickup of course works in a shop; otherwise, you have to waste a damn turn to pick up every damn item, which is completely unacceptable! 3.6 is a variant, not vanilla :P 15:00 in all seriousness, i'd like to see luxidream take on evilhack 15:00 see what you think 15:00 wanna see if my variant lives up to the hype 15:00 <@luxidream> let me dual wield stormbringer and excalibur and we'll see 15:00 <@luxidream> jk 15:01 you *can* dual wield artifacts 15:01 <@luxidream> I'll play it during jnh 15:01 what are you on Mickmane 15:01 <@luxidream> well you can't dual wield stormbringer and excalibur specifically 15:01 true 15:01 <@luxidream> they're crossaligned 15:01 coffee and nicotine, why? StatueSurfer 15:01 you just burst into the convo and said something completely random 15:01 <@luxidream> i would want to be lloyd irving and dual wield frost brand and fire brand 15:01 <@luxidream> but I already did that in xnethack 15:02 in evilhack, i'd dual wield excalibur and sunsword 15:02 <@luxidream> did you nerf grayswandir or something 15:02 no 15:02 i buffed suinsword 15:02 sunsword 15:02 * stenno checks the wiki for the nature of the buff 15:02 <@luxidream> does it prevent sickness? 15:02 <@luxidream> lol 15:02 no 15:02 the ring of p'hul does 15:03 wot 15:03 <@luxidream> how do you pronounce that 15:03 <@luxidream> the ring of fool? 15:03 barbarian quest artifact 15:03 sure 15:03 StatueSurfer, yes, I just joined the chat after a nap, talking about the dream I'd had. 15:03 look up the lords of dus series, lawrence watt-evans 15:03 can i wish for other roles' quest artis in evil? 15:03 mmm 15:03 yes 15:03 k 15:03 you can wish for any artifact except your own quest artifact 15:04 will it blast you tho 15:04 oh sunsword is silver 15:04 thats useful 15:04 <@luxidream> I still feel like sunsword should do splash damage 15:04 or dual wield + magicbane 15:04 <@luxidream> might be op though 15:05 <@luxidream> does offhand still give wielded perks? 15:05 its supposed to 15:05 oh 15:05 so far i see that behavior 15:05 so unlike slash'em 15:05 whats the point of dual wielding artifacts if you dont get their powers 15:05 thats not very evilv 15:06 disappointingly un-evil 15:06 it is as far as the monsters are concerned 15:06 i actually plan to make it so that only intelligent artifacts resist dual wielding 15:06 oh 15:06 so that useless stuff like ogresmasher and trollsbane can be dual wielded 15:06 monsters can dual-wield in evil? 15:07 * stenno thinks 15:07 StatueSurfer the way i did it, cross-aligned artifacts dont play nice (lawful + chaotic) 15:07 <@luxidream> oh no 15:07 L + L, C + C, or anything + neutral works 15:07 okay 15:07 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:07 stenno no they cant 15:07 yes 15:07 but at some point i want to explore that 15:07 offhanding mjollnir or magicbane 15:07 or the vorpal blade 15:07 <@luxidream> it's the deep elf blademaster from crawl all over again 15:08 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/583733404848095379/7seq6rridml21.png 15:08 not allowing intelligent artifacts to be dual wielded with another int artifact makes sense 15:08 whats brown and sounds like a bell? dung! 15:08 would give more utility to the normal artifacts 15:08 <@luxidream> not allowing fun makes sense 15:08 duyng 15:09 hey demo... err i mean luxidream 15:09 hi 15:09 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 15:09 ssshhhh :P 15:09 those are insane blademasters 15:09 is that like bones? 15:09 or is that an actual monster in dcss 15:09 <@luxidream> actual monster, who picked up bones items 15:09 lovel 15:09 y 15:10 <@luxidream> I had a guy pick up the amulet of bloodlust once 15:10 <@luxidream> borderline unkillable 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5018 points, T:2126, killed by a gnome, while fainted from lack of food 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) genocided class V, on T:22126 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) genocided vampire mage, on T:22129 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 1626 points, T:1351, quit 15:24 {Demo}2: Skynet will not come from a nethack bot. we had a much closer call already. luckily, nobody ran aimake on a machine with enough memory 15:25 Skynet was subsumed by RAIF-POOL back around the turn of the century anyway. 15:26 lol bhaak. What's aimake? 15:26 and jonadab, what's raif-pool? 15:26 aimake is a build system that uses AI to figure out how to build whatever can be build from the provided source code, so you don't have to keep editing makefiles and such. 15:27 K2: where's the fun in thinking ahead? if we've done that we wouldn't have had lots of hilarious moments in junethack, like the 64 bit ascension or last years wishing for statues exploit :-) 15:27 sounds scary indeed 15:27 Mickmane: what jonadab said. it's ais523 own build system originally for acehack, then also used for nethack4 15:27 a human/bot team dominating all other legit teams. sounds like a blast 15:27 what was the 64 bit ascension? 15:28 thanks 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) wished for "20 +2 silver shuriken", on T:22135 15:28 RAIF-POOL is too complicated to describe here. Let me see if I can find a link... Ah, here. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.arts.int-fiction/RAIF-POOL|sort:date/rec.arts.int-fiction/IzbkrPtHzjg/15oKSWcsopoJ 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1916 points, T:5121, killed by a jaguar 15:30 Mickmane: an ascension that a score that fills a 64 bit integer 15:30 *that has a score 15:30 Oh, a MAXINT score? 15:30 yeah 15:31 but on 64bit 15:31 so thats 2^63-1 15:31 Aren't basically all modern systems 64-bit? 15:31 that's over 9 quintillion points 15:31 I think the last time I saw a 32-bit system, it was Windows XP. 15:32 many 32-bit systems will get problems in 2038 :D 15:32 And Linux systems had been 64-bit for a while. 15:32 stenno: time_t is a separate issue from integer size. 15:32 hopefully they don't exist anymore until then 15:32 what will happen in 2038? 15:33 The end of the world, Mick. 15:33 i thought i looked up that time_t was defined as integer 15:33 Will you be ready? 15:33 and thanks for the explanation, bhaak. also, interesting, jonadab 15:33 Mickmane: 32-bit time_t rolls over in 2038. 15:33 ...why would it roll over there? 15:33 https://junethack.net/archive/2012/user/Berry.html 15:33 (signed) 15:33 I thought it was later 15:33 StatueSurfer: Because it's counting the number of seconds since January 1st 1970. 15:33 what's time_t? 15:34 oh 15:34 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem 15:34 its the 'real' y2k problem :D 15:34 hehe 15:34 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 15:34 what ups 15:34 junethack 15:34 go register 15:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:22152 15:34 k 15:35 And like with the first Y2K problem, computers will not suddenly decide to shut down the power grid when it happens. They will report dates incorrectly. 15:35 If they're not fixed. 15:35 how did that guy get all those points? 15:35 1u1 reads like 'lul' 15:35 no kidding 15:36 Mickmane: The usual method is to find something that doubles your score, or something that contributes to score (e.g., gold) with each iteration. 15:36 so you first get 9 quintillion gold... 15:36 how do you double score? (I figure that's the easiest way to go) 15:36 One method in 3.4.3 is to repeatedly stone a monster that's carrying gold, then stone-to-flesh it. 15:36 which is trivial with gold dup 15:37 Rinse, repeat. 15:37 wait how does that work 15:37 its a bit more difficult to carry it 15:37 you have to remove the gold with each iteration 15:37 but then it gets it back? 15:37 probably need to carry it around as antigold 15:37 Picks it back up. 15:37 You can use a nymph, they have infinite carry cap. 15:37 okay hold on 15:37 oh really? TIL 15:38 so you give the monster the gold 15:38 you stone them, then unstone them 15:38 And you can get a monster to drop gold, by casting charm monster. 15:38 and then what? 15:38 but you only get the gold once don't you 15:38 it was a bug 15:38 i can tell that much 15:38 yes so that answers your question 15:39 If you read ais523's "turn-by-turn", he talks about doing this until the amount of gold runs into negative, at which point he picks it up and carries it for infinite carry capacity, not caring about score. 15:39 wow 15:39 jonadab: thats what i meant with 'antigold' 15:39 lol 15:39 video game logic at its finest 15:39 But the same basic method could be used to get MAXINT score, with minor modifications to get exactly the amount you need. 15:39 IIRC Berry also only registered shortly before the end? stenno: wasn't there an ascension spam 1 or 2 hours before the tournament ended?> 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4339 15:40 i think the most infamous example is the atom-bomb-throwing ghandi in civ 2 15:40 yeah lol 15:40 Yeah. 15:40 I remember in Railroad Tycoon, if you ran gold into -30k, you had +30k (or 30 mil, with the extra 0s just being decoration). So keep buying something at the start of the game until money flips, and you're good to go. :) 15:40 bhaak: what was the reference there? 15:41 oh, civ (org) also did the 30k thing, but the reverse was more likely, if I remember right. 15:42 stenno, done 15:42 o7 15:42 stenno: Berry's ascension in the junethack tournament only became known shortly before the tournament ended IIRC. I have a vague memory that you were there experiencing it live? 15:43 ooh that 15:44 sneaky. :) 15:44 that was pretty epic 15:44 at the time i was very upset about it but nowadays i would just find it impressive/funny 15:44 but some of his ascensions where from the beginning of the month. so he must have connected his account only in the last hours 15:44 that's what I figured he'd done from your description here. 15:44 gotta admit that for quite some time i didn' acknowledge that berry was a very good player 15:44 the 64 bit ascension broke the junethack website 15:45 ouch 15:45 :D 15:45 broke how bad? 15:45 so score doesn't roll over? 15:45 probably the database too? 15:45 -!- inari has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:45 StatueSurfer: it does, you have to be careful 15:45 stenno, what was special about this Berry's ascension? 15:45 ah 15:45 aoei: 64-bit MAXINT. 15:46 aoei: first 64bit-maxint ascension :D 15:46 score -1? 15:46 ais523 estimates that Berry has scored more points than all other NetHack players combined. 15:46 well that is surely some feat 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 356 points, T:1515, killed by a boulder 15:46 StatueSurfer: you'd be surprised how many things are signed, that shouldn't be. for example, turncount is signed too 15:46 for no apparent reason 15:47 Junethack: New user aoei registered! https://junethack.net/user/aoei 15:47 i thought nethack actually ended if you took too long? 15:47 like the war of the gods ended at a certain turn count 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:6864 15:47 i think slex has such a mechanism 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of an Archon", on T:22154 15:47 ha so you can get negative turns 15:47 Well, really really long games would run into certain kinds of problems you'd have to overcome. 15:47 yes, on NAO there is a negative turn ascension by Khaos 15:47 gives turncount speedrun a new meaning 15:48 "i ascended so fast i did before the game even started" 15:48 but its not possible in 64bit i think, it would just take too long realtime 15:48 time travelling demigod 15:48 somebody did the calculations 15:48 [Demo]: was it you? 15:48 2^63-1 did fit into the database but then when the ranking happened, something blew up. 15:48 <{Demo}2> i hope not cause any calculations I'd have done would have been crap but maybe 15:48 but IIRC it was on the database side 15:49 i thought you looked at turncount overflowing at some point 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2966 points, T:7450, killed by a fire ant, while fainted from lack of food 15:49 maybe i am misremembering/mixing it up 15:50 <{Demo}2> I think I did and determined it wasn't possible 15:50 <{Demo}2> (within a normal human lifespan) 15:50 right 15:51 <@Puck> 32 bits can be done 15:51 <{Demo}2> yeah that's no problem 15:51 <{Demo}2> if time was 32 bit I'd have overflowed it 15:51 that would be over nine quintillion turns 15:52 again, 32bit _was_ done on NAO by khaos 15:52 what if you had a hero with a ton of food and a boulder fort, and just did an n sequence 15:52 <{Demo}2> yeah but that probably took him ages 15:52 <{Demo}2> I'd have it done turbo fast 15:52 <{Demo}2> cause dnh has stasis 15:53 oh right the statis thing 15:53 <{Demo}2> I was what, a fifth of the way there before k2 bitched me out for eating up a whole core 15:54 lol 15:54 i thought i was more like a stern talking to 15:54 it 15:54 'i'm not upset demo, just very disappointed' 15:54 <{Demo}2> lol 15:54 you cried when i said that 15:54 <{Demo}2> for hours 15:55 OH NOES the 'i'm very disappointed in you' talk 15:55 <{Demo}2> then I ran off to asc run where we still aren't sure if kerio even thinks about what's going on in dgl 15:55 and it *works* 15:55 heh 15:56 <{Demo}2> hmm, I wonder if knowing the exact amount of memory used by nethack process could be used as an attack vector for some sort of information exposure attack 15:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 278 points, T:1524, killed by a bolt of fire 15:57 nethacking? 15:57 <{Demo}2> well using it to determine a potential state of the game 15:58 <{Demo}2> if the memory used is greater than X when I start a game with this specific role/race/etc, some of these factors that cause it to be larger than X must be true 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:22451 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1990 points, T:4567, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:33822 16:09 like buffer overflows? 16:11 <{Demo}2> no, like being able to discern game state (randomized shit that you don't otherwise get to know) by knowing how much memory it is using 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 58 points, T:261, killed by a boulder 16:13 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 16:15 Junethack: New user cardboardbot registered! https://junethack.net/user/cardboardbot 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3423 16:17 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 16:17 -!- stenno is now known as Guest19205 16:17 -!- stenno2 is now known as stenno 16:17 -!- Guest19205 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:34201 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 T-shirt", on T:34201 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:34207 16:27 <@Puck> @luxidream how did you configure graphics for nh? i dont seem to be able to make it look like that, while my local is that perfection aswell 16:27 raisse, hiya 16:27 hi aoei 16:27 want an invite? 16:27 :D 16:28 yes please ^^ 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 249 points, T:553, killed by a gnome 16:28 done 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Matie (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1169 points, T:1475, killed by a rothe 16:30 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 16:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8147 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:8514 16:33 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:12919 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 169 points, T:297, killed by a gnome lord 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:14893 16:44 Junethack: New user dmikemiller registered! https://junethack.net/user/dmikemiller 16:45 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 16:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4393 16:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1444 points, T:4406, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a potion 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17923 16:56 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1512 points, T:2859, quit 17:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Karnak (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 1551 points, T:3875, killed by a rabid dog 17:26 <@Umby> Hi hello 17:27 hi 17:27 Hello Mickmane, Welcome to #hardfought 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:31524 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:31526 17:31 <@Umby> Guess who picked up NH again and stole Vorpal Blade out of a shop via pet 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:32067 17:33 Hm, no idea. ;P 17:33 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:32599 17:35 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:42 -!- aioe is now known as aoei 17:42 <@Umby> Heh 17:43 <@Umby> If only Excal dipping unrestricted long swords 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +3 shield of reflection", on T:34820 17:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:35020 17:54 <@Puck> so, if we can stay on the same spot as a cockatrice corpse without getting stoned 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:35059 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class R, on T:35060 17:54 <@Puck> are we wearing ultra-durable socks 17:55 EPI: if you step on the same tile as a c corpse without boots, you are assumed to have touched the corpse. 17:56 Also, EPI: if you have fumbling, stepping on the _adjacent_ tile is enough. You trip, and touch the thing. 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:35123 17:58 <@Puck> is there a way to see someone's rc file? 17:59 <@Puck> (i think so but dont remember how/if it really is) 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 172 points, T:2300, killed by a small mimic 18:01 Yeah, look on the web interface under userdata. 18:02 from the webpage, hover over the nethack menu, then userdata,... 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased ring of conflict", on T:36024 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:36050 18:02 Right. For example, https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonadab/evilhack/jonadab.evilrc 18:03 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:09 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:37080 18:11 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 674 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37398 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 270 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37545 18:13 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 18:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37804 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37805 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:37883 18:17 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Cav Bat Mal Neu), 910 points, T:698, killed by a giant bat 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:38357 18:18 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:18 <@Umby> Why a second one o: 18:22 <@IceBox> yeah so for example if you wanna find one @Puck you can also just stop at the user level to see the .rc files for all their variants like this https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/I/IceBox/ 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39307 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39313 18:23 <@Puck> ok 18:23 <@Puck> found 18:23 <@Puck> *found it 18:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:39528 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:39785 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39788 18:37 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2077 points, T:2092, killed by a fire ant, while frozen by a potion 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:41494 18:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:41950 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:42897 18:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:46 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Car Hum Nbn Cha), 111 points, T:224, dispatched by a gnome lord 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:43212 18:48 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Quetzalcoatl, on T:3487 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class o, on T:43243 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3560 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 curved sword named Greyswandir", on T:43244 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed icebox named IceBox sucks", on T:43245 18:50 just what is luxi doing there? 18:51 <@Puck> reasonable wishes to get to the late game 18:52 he already killed pestilence 18:52 <@Puck> yea im kidding 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1842978 points, T:43247, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1559246529.nh.txt 18:52 oh, ws just going to watch 18:52 congrats :) 18:52 <@Puck> congrats luxi! 18:54 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:59 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 19:02 <@luxidream> sorry @Puck 19:02 <@luxidream> I was stream so I didn't 19:02 <@luxidream> have time to respond to the ping 19:02 <@Puck> np 19:02 <@Puck> i watched it aswell lul 19:02 <@luxidream> did you figure it out 19:02 what did you do with the ice box? 19:02 <@Puck> kinda 19:02 <@Puck> i want some help with font size and such 19:03 <@luxidream> it was too heavy to carry 19:03 <@Puck> (or graphics in general for that matter) 19:03 <@luxidream> font size will depend on your terminal 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] jonadab (Tou Hob Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3351 19:03 why wish for one in the first place? 19:03 <@luxidream> not your in-game options 19:03 in putty, go window options, then appearance, you can set font and size there 19:04 <@Puck> (yeah but i dont know what to set it to) 19:04 <@luxidream> I'm actually playing in a browser window 19:05 <@Puck> webterm? 19:05 <@luxidream> yeah 19:05 <@luxidream> deja vu sans mono, 141x38 19:05 oh, funny, I use deja vu sans mono for everything whre I can set it, too. 19:06 <@luxidream> the only other thing I use to play nethack is mobaxterm 19:06 <@luxidream> so I don't think I could help you with putty 19:06 <@Puck> lets see if i can use comic sans on it 19:07 <@luxidream> but you have curses and perm_invent on already right? 19:07 so, that font on the webpage interface for playing, that's not using my font, that's preset by the page for either dejavu or square? 19:07 <@luxidream> because that's pretty much the only options I have 19:07 <@Puck> yea 19:07 <@Puck> but its lagging the screen a bit 19:07 <@Puck> for some reason 19:07 <@Puck> maybe changing that movement something something to teleport? 19:07 <@luxidream> Yeah I have runmode:teleport 19:08 what's that? 19:08 <@luxidream> so you know when you hit the travel command _ 19:08 <@luxidream> and run somewhere 19:08 <@luxidream> it shows your @ running there 19:08 ah, but with teleport it just jumpst there? 19:08 <@luxidream> the different runmode settings determine how fast or slow the animation is 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] jonadab (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 2095 points, T:3492, killed by an ape 19:08 <@luxidream> yeah 19:08 cool, thanks 19:08 <@luxidream> there's no animation with runmode:teleport 19:09 YASI: runmode:dance 19:09 <@luxidream> @Umby I wished for a second ring of conflict because I broke the other one on a chest 19:09 I thought you'd destroyed it somewhere :) 19:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:11 <@Puck> runmode dance stops every once in a while 19:11 <@Puck> "you buckle your hips" 19:11 I thought I'd escaped slex 19:11 <@luxidream> I thought it would just make grunthack style disco flashes as you ran 19:11 <@Puck> lol 19:12 <@Puck> does not look like that bad of an idea anymore 19:12 <@Puck> if ploymorphed into a skeleton 19:12 <@Puck> "you shake your bones" 19:13 are there skeletons in nethack? 19:13 spooky spooky skeletons 19:13 I don't remember any 19:13 <@luxidream> wha 19:13 <@luxidream> mickmane: you ascended 3 times already 19:14 <@luxidream> you've seen skeletons! 19:14 more than that 19:14 <@luxidream> OK sorry but you get it 19:14 just 3 times on nao, every race 15+ years ago on DOS/OS/2 19:14 yeah 19:14 but I forgot a lot 19:14 <@Puck> dude 19:14 <@Puck> theres a skeleton inside you 19:14 I mean skeletons in nethack 19:14 you sugested being polymorphed into one 19:15 <@Puck> YASI: cursed amulets of life saving bring you back as a skeleton 19:15 what symbol do they have? 19:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:15 <@Puck> (yea im joking) 19:15 <@luxidream> Z 19:15 that's zombies 19:15 <@Puck> nah 19:15 <@Puck> they white Z 19:15 <@luxidream> they're pretty unimpressive 19:16 well, either I'm worse than I thought, or you're pulling my leg. In any case, I'll find out. :) 19:17 <@Puck> wowie 19:17 <@Puck> now my game looking fine 19:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:3901 19:18 <@luxidream> well, they would be easy to forget 19:18 <@luxidream> they only appear on one level of the game after all 19:19 24 hrs 40 min 20 sec 19:19 haha 19:19 errrr - mah - geeerrrrdd 19:20 can't decipher what you mean by that, sorry 19:20 errrmahgerd 19:20 omg but pronounced errrrmahgerd 19:20 that's the same in green... 19:21 oh, well, I'd never have guessed that. 19:21 https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/ermahgerd/ 19:21 ^ real thing 19:22 hm 19:25 lol there's an 'errmahgerd translator' 19:25 takes normal text and makes it into errmahgerd speak 19:25 oh my god i love nethack 19:25 or 19:25 <@Puck> lol 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1601 points, T:6194, quit 19:25 errmahgerd I lerv nertherck 19:26 fucking brilliant 19:26 <@Puck> akssshhualy 19:26 https://funtranslations.com/ermahgerd 19:26 <@Puck> sermpl text 19:27 'amy is so fleecy bundlebundle' becomes 'ERMAH ERS SER FLERCER BERNDLERBERNDL' 19:27 <@Puck> errmahgerdian army 19:27 i could do this ALL DAY 19:27 <@Puck> can find em in fert lerders 19:27 heh 19:28 <@Puck> (aka errmahgerd fort ludios) 19:28 <@Puck> (why did i explain the joke) 19:28 <@Puck> (now it isnt funny anymore you dummy) 19:28 i blame the alcohol 19:28 oh its a friggin riot 19:28 jonadab: give me a common klingon phrase 19:29 nm found one 19:30 'today is a good day to die' --> klingon: 'Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam' --> errmahgerd: 'HERGHLERMAH QERQ JERJVERM' 19:30 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:30 lol 19:31 and this is how the channel emptied... 19:31 <@Puck> berm mah erp scerter 19:32 oh no... there's a 'swedish chef' translator too 19:32 <@Puck> (it is already dead most of the time tho) 19:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 94 points, T:1038, killed by a wand 19:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4665 points, T:5267, zombified by a H‹é…!, while praying 19:39 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Val Hum Mal Law), 2844 points, T:2676, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion 19:41 <@luxidream> uh 19:41 <@luxidream> K2 19:41 <@luxidream> what kind of zombie is a Hļæ½ļæ½ļæ½! 19:42 you died from eating a zombie corpse eh 19:43 err he died 19:43 yeah i need to fix that - been aware of it for a good while, but its been low on the list to fix 19:43 !lastgame Sorcerer 19:43 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Sorcerer/evilhack/dumplog/1559255425.evil.txt 19:44 yup he ate zombie meat 19:44 lol 19:44 i meant to TIN it ---- not EAT it!!!!!!!!: unknown extended command. 19:44 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:44 thats the best 19:44 brb 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 3139 points, T:2524, killed by a gnome king 19:45 so I have gotten a dedicated nethack machine, but the 2h battery is gunna kill my portability :c 19:45 -!- workimer has joined #hardfought 19:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v workimer] by ChanServ 19:48 -!- remirol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:50 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2756 points, T:1121, killed by a magic missile 19:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:55 <@Umby> @luxidream late response but ty 19:55 <@Umby> And GG for the clear 19:55 <@luxidream> thanks 19:55 <@luxidream> and it was totally my fault 19:56 <@luxidream> too lazy to increase luck high enough to dodge shock traps 19:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:58 <@Umby> Whew 20:06 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 20:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16805 20:13 Junethack: New user tleone13 registered! https://junethack.net/user/tleone13 20:22 Junethack: New clan TheclanofYASD created! https://junethack.net/clan/TheclanofYASD 20:31 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35 -!- olliver has joined #hardfought 20:35 blue or red ? 20:36 <@Puck> the color of magic 20:36 that was octarine 20:36 -!- workimer is now known as lorimer 20:36 what about blue or red? 20:37 Puck, did you start reading that book? 20:37 thats right the color of magic your are the winner :) 20:38 finally some channel are still alive here on mirc 20:38 do you know what this channel is about? 20:39 not yet but i am sure i will see it soon 20:39 there should be a link in the topic 20:40 there is 20:40 kinda hard to miss ;) 20:40 <@Umby> @mickmane hi 20:40 hi 20:40 Hello Mickmane, Welcome to #hardfought 20:41 <@Umby> If you're wondering about the ice box it's a NH tradition 20:41 <@Umby> drinks for the bar in heaven 20:41 <@Umby> :B 20:41 oh 20:41 ^ will be an achievement in this years TNNT 20:41 I remember the demigod bar, weren't there some people throwing dwarves? 20:42 but I forgot the ice box. Is that newer than 15 years? 20:43 anyway :) have a nice time 20:43 -!- olliver has left #hardfought 20:43 heh 20:45 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 20:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Mickmane (Arc Ang Mal Law), 3678 points, T:5657, sent to the grave by a gnome king 20:53 when I get to write an epitaph, I made bones file? 20:54 <{Demo}2> what game? 20:54 splice 20:54 where I was just sent to the grave... :) 21:01 Junethack: New user Nucleid registered! https://junethack.net/user/Nucleid 21:01 <@Puck> no i still didnt 21:01 <@Puck> but ill get the books 21:01 ah, I thought that's why you mentioned the name 21:02 <@Puck> msot shallow reference to something ive ever done 21:02 <@Puck> (cheap af but can i find the books in pdf) 21:04 winny: whats your dedicated nethack machine? 21:05 <{Demo}2> thinkpad 365xd 21:05 K2: it's a crappad 21:05 if I'm too frail to kick a tree for fruit, can I pick-axe it for fruit? 21:05 <{Demo}2> r u a fruit? 21:05 <{Demo}2> but no 21:05 <{Demo}2> won't work 21:06 !whereis Mickmane 21:06 Mickmane: [hdf-us] Mickmane [spl]: (Arc Ang Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 21:06 <@Puck> i think you can chop it down and it also yields fruit 21:06 K2, look, it's state of loading again, not current state. 21:06 thinkpad x100e. AMD cpu so it runs hot. Has 3 cpu frequency steps: 500 MHz, 800 MHz, and 1.6 GHz. If i leave it at 1.6 GHz it overheats and emergency shutoffs. Battery lasts around 2 hours max. Had to remove wifi because it wouldn't POST with it installed, so using usb dongle. Also one of the 1GiD DDR2's went bad, so I am down to 1 GB of ram. It runs alpine linux lol 21:08 1GiB is very sufficient except for apparently mandocml's makewhatis uses a great deal of memory, which caused my machine to thrash and lock up completely until I added a swapfile 21:09 i wouldn't be surprised if this machine just fails to POST again in the next few months 21:09 it's kind of an embarassment to lenovo, this specific model 21:10 upside: chiclet keyboard is better than most cheap laptop keyboards, and it has trackpoint, and its form factor is fantastic 21:10 (and it /works/) 21:12 cool 21:12 dont need a lot for a terminal session 21:13 indeed :) it can even run firefox, actually, though one would not want to do that for sanity reasons 21:14 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.4] 21:14 !whereis Mickmane 21:14 Mickmane: [hdf-us] Mickmane [spl]: (Arc Ang Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 21:14 K2, do you see that? 21:15 tell antigulp 21:15 ok 21:15 beholder can only read what the game gives for data 21:15 makes sense 21:15 i see it 21:15 but i dont know if thats where you really are 21:15 where are you 21:15 d2 21:16 !whereis Mickmane 21:16 Mickmane: [hdf-us] Mickmane [spl]: (Arc Ang Mal Law) T:675 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2 21:16 there, saved and loaded and now it shows that 21:16 so this begs the question 21:16 why are you !whereis youself? 21:16 oh, was earlier replying to a question in reply to a question, showing char and version and stuff 21:17 and noticed it was not showing correctly 21:17 so on a save/reload, its making the right whereis file 21:17 (the not showing the right branch earlier was on me) 21:17 yeah, it shows the state of the last loading of the file 21:17 seems its not updating the whereis file on a level change 21:17 at first turn 1 for game start, now the state of the save after save and load 21:18 yeah 21:31 <@Puck> i wish rapiers were a decent wep or had something built around their use or such 21:31 <@Puck> i wanna roleplay polnareff ffs 21:31 who? 21:32 <@Puck> jean pierre polnareff 21:32 <@Puck> jojo character 21:33 <@Puck> (fun fact: this man got me into fencing) 21:34 Ihave no idea what you are talking about. all I understand is fencing 21:36 <@Puck> https://jojo.fandom.com/wiki/Jean_Pierre_Polnareff 21:36 <@Puck> this guy 21:36 I don't know what jojo is 21:36 <@Puck> a manga 21:36 ah, then I better not click 21:36 <@Puck> oof 21:41 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 85714 points, T:19763, petrified by Medusa 21:49 [hdf-us] [spl] Mickmane (Arc Ang Mal Law), 186 points, T:2033, killed by a gas spore's explosion 21:49 I just ran into it, sigh 21:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:57 <@luxidream> @Puck play dnh 21:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:58 <@luxidream> not only does it have rapiers they get a damage bonus from dex 21:59 <@Puck> oooh 21:59 <@Puck> any easy way to acquire one? 21:59 <@luxidream> some roles start with one 21:59 <@luxidream> human nobles are one I think 21:59 <@Puck> any special options i should turn on for dnh? 22:00 <@Puck> and, are said rapiers good all round weps? 22:00 <@Puck> (as in for late as well as early) 22:00 <@luxidream> not sure if there are artifact rapiers 22:01 <@luxidream> there have to be 22:01 <@luxidream> wait, actually I think your quest artifact has a rapier mode 22:01 <@luxidream> it's a double damage artifact 22:01 <@luxidream> so it's useable 22:01 <@Puck> ooooh 22:01 <@Puck> (thats for human nobles yeah?0 22:01 <@luxidream> first sacrifice gift, sorry 22:02 <@Puck> hmm 22:02 <@luxidream> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/DNetHack_Artifacts#The_Rod_of_Lordly_Might 22:02 <@luxidream> wiki is very outdated, use at your own risk 22:02 <@luxidream> I'm fairly sure this one still exists though 22:03 <@Puck> nice 22:03 <@Puck> ima go copy your rc file real quick 22:03 [hdf-us] [ndnh] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Neu), 6568 points, T:3558, killed by a gas spore's explosion 22:04 <@luxidream> uhhh don't 22:04 <@luxidream> maybe copy demo 22:04 <@luxidream> or someone who actually plays dnh 22:04 <@Puck> lol 22:04 <@Puck> but for real, anything special i should option in? 22:05 Um, I don't think so 22:05 I copied my rc file from.... I forget who 22:05 It's a ton of minor nice things 22:07 Primarily, menucolors is nice (although it interacts poorly with a few things) 22:08 MONSTERCOLOR=beholder:magenta <- good idea 22:08 (They're not grunthack evil, but better to know it's not a gas spore) 22:10 <@Puck> welp 22:10 <@Puck> looking fine for now 22:12 <@Puck> good night everyone 22:13 sleep well :) 22:13 g'night! 22:18 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 22:19 K2 halp! I turned off and on my wifi while in a ā€œknownā€ dialogue and lost my EvilHack game!?! :( Iā€™m doing so well 22:20 Junethack: New user Tone registered! https://junethack.net/user/Tone 22:20 Junethack: New user Bugpowder registered! https://junethack.net/user/Bugpowder 22:21 Bugpowder game recovered 22:21 TY TY 22:21 trying to win or die before June 22:22 <{Demo}2> zoinks buddy 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:60355 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:60356 22:39 <{Demo}2> master mind fucker 22:39 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 22:43 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43 * NCommander feels tired :( 22:48 I FOUND A BLINDFOLD 22:48 yes 22:50 heh 22:51 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 22:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 22:53 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 22:54 Searched every pile of stuff from level 1 to the valley and found it on Lvl 9 of mines 22:58 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 22:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 22:59 !who 22:59 K2: [hdf-us] fcloud [nh363] Bugpowder [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 23:02 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:13 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Mon Gia Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:26120 23:18 yassssā€¦. a magic marker (0:97) 23:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Mon Gia Mal Cha) wished for "+3 blessed greased fixed dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity", on T:26143 23:29 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 23:30 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 23:31 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 23:37 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 23:47 <@riker> @Puck copy mine if you want I think i've got some useful special things for dnh (rcfile) 23:49 <@Umby> Soon I'm gonna learn to stop throwing away arcs with good starts 23:50 <@Umby> Cool, pet is suicidal again 23:51 <@Umby> I should just punt the fuck into the rock trap honestly but I like having insurance since Arcs aren't best "unga bunga" combat class 23:51 <@Umby> and he's dead Jim 23:52 <@Umby> Wide open room and you pick that spot of all spots to camp 23:52 <@riker> @Puck rapiers are ok, it's dex bonus + 1/2 strength bonus on 1d6/1d4 so if you start with ~16/17 dex and 13 str that's +3/4 right there which is pretty good 23:53 <@riker> plus it trains saber in case you wanna switch to grays or smth later 23:53 <@riker> do note that you don't want to #ride your pony too much, I don't remember if chris changed nobles but previously they used to burn tameness every time they got on/off (like any other non-knights) 23:57 <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG did you end up giving nobles the ability to actually ride? previously they had the same -1 tameness every time they did #ride like any other non-knight, but that means you have issues with things like those driders where you can't really refill their tameness, ever and can only really get on 20 times 23:57 Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @riker.