00:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 535 points, T:1809, killed by a cave spider, while praying 00:00 crawl.montres.org.uk has scores from which you might reasonably ask why we're developing a variant when we're seriously terrible compared to the vanilla developers 00:00 You could, but you _could_ win. :-0 00:02 well, making a variant doesn't necessarily mean you have to be the best player 00:03 crawl is 99% tactics anyway 00:03 I try to self-deprecate in advance. :-) 00:03 so being "bad" is basically being careless 00:03 which I'm very guilty of 00:06 You may infer from the scoring that ceb and hilarita and I have different approaches to caution 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 830 points, T:1602, killed by a small mimic 00:13 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 00:19 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 00:20 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 00:23 hey, I don't think you should warn the player about branch ends if they're coming *up* into a branch end 00:26 I wasn't looking - how did you provoke that effect? 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2700 points, T:2391, quit 00:28 going from tomb 1 to crypt 3 00:28 yes the very empty crypt 3 is dangerous for someone coming up from tomb 1 00:31 That is definitely a bug (sigh) - you're only meant to get the warning once for any given level. Thanks. 00:31 ... I have _no idea_ how that happened, either. 00:32 Weird, too, because ISTR ceb has it set to "always" or "dangerous" and would get it returning to O:2 from E:1 00:34 this acid blob and yellow dragon vault is very nasty 00:34 is it old? 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:34221 00:37 I've never seen this vault either, what the heck? 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 133 points, T:576, killed by a small mimic 00:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 841 points, T:1751, killed by a giant spider 00:46 Luxidream: We've not added any vaults (yet) 00:46 PS gosh, that was quick 00:47 \o/ 00:47 I came back to you on about d:6 00:48 yeah zot wasn't bad even though I didn't bribe 00:48 so it went smoothly 00:49 Well done! The scoring page will reflect this in half an hour or so, I expect - I think all the timeouts are set based on it being CAO with eighteen games a minute 00:51 but yeah that was fun 00:52 I'm no Crawl speedrunner though...yet 00:53 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 00:56 Luxidream that sounds like a great idea 00:56 you should focus on crawl next month, get really good at it 00:56 yeah, maybe I should play in junecrawl while I'm at it 00:59 morning 01:00 heya 01:00 !who 01:00 K2: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] ssnufd [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] eraserhead97 [nh363] disbi [nh4] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh363] | [hdf-au] Numbgoon [slshm] 01:01 Pinkbeast: I think you should add some vaults, isn't that half the fun of being a crawl dev? 01:01 gnite folks 01:01 night K2 01:04 Luxidream: It's ... on the list ;-/ 01:04 you mean the other two didn't like your vaults? :P 01:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:04 or the other way around 01:05 anyway it's all I see gamma talking about so it must be fun right? 01:05 Neither, just the list is long and development is slow 01:07 Indeed the vaults we might add first are from POWDER, with permission, so at least two of us have enjoyed dying in them 01:07 interesting, I haven't played POWDER 01:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:12 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2670 01:20 Luxidream: I'm off to bed but oh, I recommend it, it is full of a charming dry wit, and also it's quite short - a coffee-break roguelike. 01:20 good night :) 01:20 -!- Luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:21 is that necessary, Anhur? 01:22 you only have to kill trolls once now! 01:22 ... 01:23 when i make my variant i'm going to make it so that only intelligent artifacts resist #twoweaponing 01:23 and things like trollsbane will not be intelligent 01:32 Junethack: New user kangyu registered! https://junethack.net/user/kangyu 01:34 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 01:37 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:39 Morning. :) 01:40 I've decided to suicide my devil, just not sure how. Genociding devil, conflict and pet killing him, or... any suggestions? I'll then ask !RNG. 01:41 Mickmane: just dig down down down until you get to a depth where the monsters are strong enough to kill you :P 01:41 they already are, without pets 01:42 but I put that on the list. :) 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 769 points, T:2759, killed by a giant bat 01:47 anything interesting that can be done with a trippple heavy punishment iron ball? 01:48 Eat it? 01:48 that'd kill me, I mean 01:48 use it as a melee weapon? it uses the flail skill, which transvestites also have 01:48 my devil* 01:48 Yeah 01:49 would you not revert to base race when you chocke while polymorphed? 01:50 if you die of anything other than HP loss while polymorphed, you die for real 01:51 ah 01:51 also, huh, you're polymorphed? 01:51 no, I can though 01:51 wand should stil have charges, and my cloak gives poly control 01:53 well, what would you polymorph into? 01:54 whatever can eat the ball, not sure it's iron or stone (the chain is stone) 01:54 I'll find that out in the case that RNG picks that. 01:55 huh, at that point it's actually unnecessary to go to such measures just to unpunish yourself, why not simply find a boulder, dig a hole next to it, and bury the ball there? 01:55 this is about getting killed, not unpunished 01:56 well you'd have to be very satiated to be able to choke over your food in slex 01:56 ah, ok, guess I'd have to eat all tins and stuff. hm. maybe too much work 01:58 what kind of mean thing spawns poly traps on a level, btw? 01:58 yeah I'd still just dig down as much as you can, then at least you'd have an interesting scenic tour of the dungeon 01:59 huh? poly traps can just appear randomly, both in vanilla and slex 01:59 on already explored spots? 01:59 ah, well maybe you triggered the nasty trap that creates new traps over time? or did you cast create monster a lot? 02:00 3 or 4 appeared on formerly empty points 02:00 I only did the create monster after that. 02:01 hmm 02:01 anyway, in slex there's a couple of ways for new traps to spawn, maybe you even triggered a trap that said "You feel the floor vibrating in a strange way", which fills the level with traps of a specific (but random) type 02:02 I felt vibrating a few times 02:02 yeah then that's it 02:02 ok, that mystery solved. :) 02:03 if you weren't going to shelve slex anyway, I'd start saying "use the source luke!" :P 02:04 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:05 going through the backscroll now: "fishing rod" is an angelic being because, well, in German it's "Angel" (as in Angelrute), i.e. fishing rod :P 02:05 ah 02:06 but in German, Angel is Engel 02:09 <@luxidream> can you theoretically fill a room with wishing traps that way 02:10 there is such a thing? 02:10 btw, it wasn't in one room, it was spread otu over the level, one right next to the altar from the scroll, in a corridor 02:11 You wish. 02:11 @luxidream: not sure if wishing traps are legit for that effect 02:11 hmm apparently they are, since "fillertraptype = randomtrap()" 02:12 <@luxidream> of course, the odds of this happening are very much against you 02:12 As long as it's not checked later, like when polymorphing wands. 02:12 the chance of a random trap in slex being a wishing trap is 1 in 256000, so that's also the chance that the filler trap will fill the level with wishing traps 02:13 That's a lot of thousands. 02:43 Mickmane: England, Anglo-Saxon, Angel in German is possibly related and might come from a indeeuropean word meaning hook or crooked. Engel/Angel OTOH is a word from Greek and not related 02:45 it means "messenger" 02:45 (the Greek word) 02:46 hah. :) 02:53 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:53 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 02:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 03:05 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:15 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 03:27 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 03:49 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:24 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 04:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 04:25 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:28 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:02 -!- Moult has joined #hardfought 05:05 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 05:18 gah the affront! "The sewer rat bites Poes. Poes is killed! The sewer rat grows up into a giant rat." 05:31 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 05:44 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 05:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 05:46 !tell K2 omg I found something for you :D https://lparchive.org/Pokemon-Vietnamese-Crystal/Update%2018/1-TotallyLost001.png :D 05:46 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 05:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:51 Junethack: New user eraserhead97 registered! https://junethack.net/user/eraserhead97 05:51 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 05:52 hey - anyone know if Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles is forming up for junethack? 05:52 lol 05:52 was that the aosdict clan? without aosdict, it might not be made this time 05:52 got a bug report: "fuck you bitches :v" 05:53 someone's salty 05:54 -!- wvc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 05:56 paxed: that was in the "current version" field, though, the others were at default, so it possibly wasn't even aimed at us? just some sort of random insultbot 05:56 could be 05:57 in fact, we just got another three "bug reports" from what's almost certainly the same bot 05:58 insult bot? 06:00 Mickmane: are you going to kill yourself now? :D (to all other readers: talking about his slex char, of course) 06:00 Mickmane: it's a spambot-like thing that mostly just sends keyboard mashing, but this one's mixing in the occasional swear word 06:00 why, are you in a hurry? 06:01 ais523, and that's sending bug reports? 06:01 Mickmane: nah, just wondering 06:01 LarienTelrunya, ah, good, then I'll do other stuff first 06:02 options I collected for RNG so far !RNG Geno | Pets | Dig | Ball | 06:03 suggestions? 06:03 if you had a wand of banishment, you could zap that at yourself and thereby go to hell :D 06:04 Mickmane: well it's using the bug report form, I'm not sure it realises it's a bug report form 06:04 or, with teleport control, levelport to level 51 which is the valley of the dead, e.g. via cursed tele scroll 06:04 I have that and level teleport scrolls too 06:04 ah, well then that's a possibility :) 06:04 eraserhead97, who was the clan leader of that clan? 06:04 and optionally follow it up with another levelport to any level of your choice from 52-99 :D 06:05 added to the choices for Beholder. 06:06 hopefully it doesn't decide on something as boring as geno or ball... and what would "pets" be? conflict your pets so they kill you? 06:06 yes 06:07 mind, only cool one left is the pink @ and the dragon. The others got polied 06:07 oh, the n got lost somewhere, possibly killed, not sure who the sad feeling I had a while ago was about 06:08 I forgot what ball means, I don't think eating would suffice, maybe throwing? 06:09 stennowork: I think it was aosdict or rebatela? I'm not sure... 8^P 06:10 heh, eating would suffice if you really stuff yourself first 06:10 stennowork: ah - admins does show aosdict 06:10 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/clans/1.html 06:11 I think newton's law or falling downstairs with it while stressed would be funnier 06:11 crushed in the head by an iron ball is one of my favorite deats from vanilla 06:12 hehehe - I have a 2009 iMac that I thought I had to retire, but I think it's still running - just took 30m to update the OS and another 10m to reboot - a bit scary taking that long 06:12 crunched* 06:14 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 06:19 -!- workimer has joined #hardfought 06:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v workimer] by ChanServ 06:22 stennowork: do you know if raisse is around? I'd like to join your clan for junethack. 06:22 -!- remirol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:27 eraserhead97: why are you asking stennowork and not me if I'm around? :-) 06:28 I mean why would he know? :-) 06:29 raisse: it's 3am here - don't ask me to be rational 8^P may I join your clan? 06:37 it's just past noon here but I'm never really rational 06:38 the point is, we don't really want random people we don't know well, it's a close-knit group 06:38 stenno is in because he practically founded teamsplat X years ago (for a value of X I don't know) 06:39 nothing personal against you 06:40 Junethack: New user torax registered! https://junethack.net/user/torax 06:41 eraserhead97: you may join mine instead *bundlebundlebundle* :) 06:42 LarienTelrunya: ok - add me - thx ^^ 06:42 * Andrio wonders why teamsplat is spelled that way. 06:42 invitation sent! 06:43 Andrio: it used to be "Team Splat" but devnull didn't like capitals or spaces and it stuck 06:43 Ah 06:43 LarienTelrunya: ty - just accepted (had to look for it) 06:44 eraserhead97: yay! welcome to the clan :) 06:44 so, uh, new to hardfought, i hear there's an AU server :) 06:44 yes, nethack@au.hardfought.org 06:44 LarienTelrunya: ty ^^ 06:44 ♥ 06:45 Oh, I had been wondering. Team splat would have been my first thought, but teamsplat also has a nice ring. 06:47 LarienTelrunya: is it my imagination or are there several (Demo, bug_sniper, you, etc...) devs in our clan? 06:48 eraserhead97: hmm, other than Demo and myself, none of them are variant devs I think, although some contributed to various variants 06:49 ic 06:50 hmm, i just registered on hardfought.org, tried to login to au.hardfought, but it said ther ewas a problem with my login 06:51 pinging admins K2 et Tangles_ 06:51 perhaps it takes a couple of minutes to propagate? 06:51 yes, i'm probably just impatient :) 06:53 do amulets increase hunger frequency? 06:54 yes 06:54 all jewellery does except the ring of slow digestion 06:55 (well, the ring of slow digestion does cause ring hunger, it just eliminates your normal hunger because you exist) 06:55 YASI: giants can shoot boulders with a sling, which may make a hole if they hit an empty floor tile, or when they are fired against a wall, the wall may be razed. 06:55 won't the boulder immediately plug the hole? 06:55 and won't you need a giant sling for that? 06:56 heh, the hole would presumably be large enough for the boulder to fall through to the next level :D 06:56 it could crash and break into rocks 07:00 of course, the giant's sling in slex would be a bra. 07:00 Moult: yes account replication is one-way and happens every 5 minutes iirc. 07:01 so you need to wait 5 minutes at most. 07:06 Tangles_: thanks, it works now :) 07:07 what's this nethack 1.3d? 07:07 Ancient 07:07 Very old nethack, adapted by bhaak for public server play. 07:07 Tangles_: for historic value eh? 07:08 yeah 07:08 could say the same about 3.4.3 these days ;) 07:08 !who 07:08 Tangles_: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] janekw [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 07:09 heh. quiet night. 07:10 Tangles_: sorry, i'm not avery good nethack player :) 07:10 Tangles_: i'm in the middle of a game on my android phone, so i probably won't start one on the server until i died on the phone 07:11 Tangles_: but at a glance the ping is great 07:11 * Moult has never ascended 07:12 so what is the general strategy around ID'ing amulets - do you just wait until you have a scroll of ID? 07:13 are there any that autocurse? or in any variant? 07:13 if not, pet-test and putting it on can't harm, can it? 07:13 you could get an amulet of change and permanently become the other gender :D 07:13 Mickmane: i put it on and it doesn't seem to be doing much :) 07:14 or it could be restful sleep and randomly pick an especially bad time to put you to sleep ;) 07:14 well, reflection or magic breathing onyl reveal themselves when they're needed, but are useful to wear. 07:14 true 07:15 i took it off since i seemed to be getting hungry too often 07:15 Moult: Yeah I stood up the au server because I wanted better pings for myself (and others from the region - there are a small but growing number of us). 07:17 does anybody frequently use-identify potions and scrolls? i've enver done so and feel strange and risky when doing it 07:17 Mickmane: Life saving also doesn't do anything... until it does. I've use-identified those on more than one occasion :) 07:17 hehe 07:17 I was just giving examples though :) 07:18 Moult, I don't normally. I resorted to it eventually in slex when I got fed up with not having id 07:18 Moult: I sometimes use-identify potions once I've eliminated some of the worse ones with a unicorn horn. 07:18 Not scrolls though. 07:20 I hope I didn't aquire any bad habits, when I start plaiyng splice. Btw, anything I should know about the config of splice? 07:21 For potions make sure you're somewhere that's safe for a few turns in case paralysis or sleeping, and try to eliminate polymorph as well (dip a wand of polymorph - 'Nothing Happens' if it's poly otherwise 'Interesting...', just dip junk first then unihorn if you don't have a spare unihorn). 07:21 Scrolls you can price-id the important ones. 07:21 Mickmane: slex? 07:21 a variant here on hardfought 07:21 short for Slash'Em extended. 07:21 ah 07:21 I'm going to kill my character when I play next, too fed up with it 07:22 any suggestions for what to add to !RNG Geno | Pets | Dig | Ball | Hell | 07:22 Tangles_: i haven't got a unihorn yet, so maybe once i get one i'll try ID my potions 07:23 Mickmane: eh, just do it, I can't think of any others anyway ;) 07:23 will also leave in 7 minutes or so 07:23 oh 07:23 !RNG Geno | Pets | Dig | Ball | Hell 07:23 Mickmane: Hell 07:23 ugh 07:23 Moult: Yeah that's the idea. Otherwise you'll end up hallucinating for 300 turns. 07:23 Tangles_: sounds good :) 07:23 Iasked if you're in a hurry... 07:23 what do you tend to ID first once you get a scroll of ID? what object type? 07:23 well not "hurry" actually, and also you can off yourself while I'm not there :D 07:23 The scroll of identify 07:24 in the case of doubt, slex will kill you eventually anyway :D 07:24 I really don#t want to play on. 07:24 Andrio: yeah i've foudn that one :) 07:24 Andrio: and then? 07:24 Depends what I have... Rings, wands, scrolls. Anything I haven't been able to identify by some other means. 07:24 Anything worth 300 zm 07:25 Or amulets 07:25 Yeah them too. 07:25 Andrio: good point. look for expensive things 07:25 I'm in the game, if you want to watch 07:25 yeah am watching now 07:25 tele level is random? 07:25 teleport control only works sometimes, because this is slex 07:26 double teleport control would make it more likely to work 07:28 Hey if you genocide something that's on the level with you, does it drop its inventory, or does the inventory disappear with it? 07:29 Mickmane: wtf? why do you try to go even deeper? 99 is the deepest level you can go to 07:29 100 would be the sanctum 07:29 well, I wasn't sure it would be in slex 07:29 but I already said so earlier! 07:29 Tangles_, it drops its inventory. 07:30 Even if it's not on the level with you. 07:30 where's my iron ball? 07:30 Cool :) Thanks Andrio 07:30 oh, must have missed that 07:30 if you can kill Envy, try to eat her corpse :D 07:30 lol 07:30 I have a friend named Envy 07:30 She's probably less envious than I am 07:31 of course the other 6 deadly sins are on that level too 07:32 Andrio: There's this former pet level 37 arch-lich with 296HP that BUC-tested (then wore) a cloak that I think might be MR. I want the cloak (and to not deal with the L). 07:32 Ah, ouch 07:33 what's communicating with the gods? 07:33 atheism conduct, obviously 07:33 dropping stuff on altars for example 07:33 is that dropping stuff on al- ok 07:34 and strangely enough, using #chat on a quest leader also breaks it 07:34 heh 07:34 yay 07:34 are all the stats put into a file? 07:35 yes 07:35 !lastgame Mickmane 07:35 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mickmane/slex/dumplog/1557499803.slex.txt 07:35 thanks! 07:35 hah nice unique death Mickmane :) 07:36 Nice wish. 07:36 thanks, was LarienTelrunya's suggestion :) 07:37 alright I have to go now! see you! 07:37 see you! :) 07:37 have a nice day 07:37 How did you die Mickmane 07:37 Mickmane (Tra Dev Mal Cha), 143558 points, T:62575, unwisely ate the body of a monster (Envy) 07:37 heh, have to go to the financial office (or whatever "Finanzamt" translates to), which is probably not so nice, but then I'll go eating ice-cream with my wonderlovely bundleroommate ♥ 07:37 Suicide by eating Envy 07:38 after trying to commint suicide by teleporting to the bottom of the dungeon 07:38 have fun, LarienTelrunya! 07:40 you can look at the dump log, scroll up a bit, btw. 07:41 eraserhead97, raisse is around :P 07:41 Envy's corpse is delicious! Eating that is instantly fatal. 07:41 hehe, so relieved it's over! 07:41 L's cloak was protection... I'll take it :) 07:42 nice 07:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:43 So I need to wish for an amulet of reflection, then take on the castle dragons (2 are grey, so hopefully can get MR from them - one is black, so need that reflection first!) 07:44 then I can use the other unholy genocide for tengu to see if I can get tele control. 07:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:52 ugh I already had seen one of those. I just didn't bother to identify it because it was cursed. 07:53 huh 07:53 nope the wish parser is broken. 07:53 I got strangulation. 07:53 that's weird 07:54 I thought th wish parser understood almost anything 07:54 Yeah I'm very surprised it missed that. 07:55 Apparently not 'reflection amulet' as opposed to 'amulet of reflection'. 07:56 Yet it's fine with 'death wand' 'marker of magic' etc. 07:56 mm 07:57 does splicehack have a DUNGEON= option? 07:57 'death wand' doesn't work either. 07:57 really? 07:57 Hmm ok. 07:57 I got a wand of digging... 07:57 I'm sure I've used stuff like that before in wizmode. 07:58 This does, though: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2524 08:00 D E A T H W A N D works too 08:00 sounds like something some metalheads would do during a concert 08:00 good name for a band... 08:00 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-05-29 05:46 EDT: omg I found something for you :D https://lparchive.org/Pokemon-Vietnamese-Crystal/Update%2018/1-TotallyLost001.png :D 08:00 Ah well, I learned something. I should have enough wishes that it doesn't matter. 08:01 wait death wand should work 08:01 Andrio, why would it not work 08:01 i can wish for both speed boots and boots of speed 08:02 Because in that case, the technical name is 'speed boots'. 08:02 because reflection amulet didn't work either, stennowork 08:02 And IIRC it rearranges the words if you use the 'of' syntax 08:03 oh i see 08:03 so mail of splint would work 08:03 Email of Silv Erdra Gonscal 08:03 yeah 08:05 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 08:05 gloves of padded would not work 08:05 but power gauntlets would 08:05 or lets power of gaunt 08:06 lol 08:06 lets power of gaunt BRAIN POWER!!! 08:09 Junethack: New user schnaader registered! https://junethack.net/user/schnaader 08:15 Hmm but power gauntlets is the same as death wand and reflection amulet, surely? but I have seen that work (though I guess if it was going to give you random gauntlets, that's 1 in 3 for it working anyway) 08:17 suppose the RNG is nasty and gives you A DIFFERENT AMULET? 08:18 well it already did that once :P 08:18 I will find out when I take on this black dragon :) 08:18 for science! 08:19 -!- workimer is now known as lorimer 08:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:22 Tangles_, 'gauntlets of power' is the actual name of the item 08:23 unlike 'amulet of reflection', which is an 'amulet' of type 'reflection' 08:23 does that make sense? you can see it in objects.c i think 08:23 anyone know the confic specific things like statuscolour versus optiosn=hilite_status in splice? 08:23 Mickmane, same as for 3.6.2 08:23 slex one used statuscolor= 08:23 thanks stenno, I don't know what 3.6.2 does :) 08:24 I'll check wiki 08:24 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Status_hilites 08:24 oh, you're speedy, thanks! 08:25 I guess I'll chuck out STATUSCOLOR= then 08:25 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 08:25 would 'gloves of gauntlets of power' work ? 08:26 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:27 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:28 stennowork: Yeah ok that does make sense actually. 08:29 hmm wait 08:29 How many daggers is enough for my wiz? I have, uh, over 30 08:29 idk 08:29 objects.c says AMULET("amulet of reflection", "hexagonal", REFLECTING, 75), 08:29 so it's not really apperant 08:29 but for, say, ring it says: 08:29 RING("see invisible", "engagement", 08:29 SEE_INVIS, 150, 1, 0, 5, IRON, HI_METAL), 08:29 confusing, ah well 08:30 does anyone have an example config for 3.6.2 with colorus for power and stuff? 08:31 i _think_ raisse has a very thorough config file including status hilites 08:31 hm, I guess luxidream would have it, let me look 08:31 oh, raisse, of course 08:33 wow just killed 2 vampire bats in VotD. They both turned into... vampire bat corpses. 08:34 TIL that wishing for a +1 tin gives you a tin of spinach 08:34 if i read that correct ly 08:35 "cmdassist 08:35 NetHack provides some additional command assistance when it detects some anticipated mistakes. Boolean option, defaults to TRUE. Can be set in-game. 08:35 " 08:35 ok? what does it do? :) 08:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5382 08:39 i think its mainly for directions 08:39 for hjkl keys? 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 6206 points, T:5666, killed by a fire ant 08:42 not much 08:44 I guess I leave it off. :) 08:44 it would probably screw up my muscle memory if i'd turn it off 08:45 numpad for LYFE 08:45 srs 08:45 dont srs me 08:45 i thought jedi had manners... 08:45 bruh 08:45 lol 08:45 :P 08:45 I don't really know what it does though. :) 08:45 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 08:45 you are maybe interpreting too much into a statement i did once 08:46 nah 08:46 this morning i woke up in 'fuck this bullshit' mode 08:46 now i will eternally be 'that jedi guy' 08:46 but... you ARE a jedi 08:46 Mm mines end is already raided 08:46 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:46 Someone stole my stone 08:46 the force hast not awakened in me yet 08:46 Moult, nou 08:46 * K2 smacks stennowork 08:47 how bout now? 08:47 is mines' end bones even possible 08:47 K2, it just hurts abit 08:47 a bit 08:47 i think this is not the proper way to awaken the force 08:47 * K2 smacks stennowork harder 08:47 lol 08:47 now? 08:47 stennowork: something dug into the chamber 08:47 22:34:23 stennowork: TIL that wishing for a +1 tin gives you a tin of spinach - citation needed 08:47 that reminds me of how to get a ghola to remember, in Dune... 08:48 mmm the spice 08:48 Andrio, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.6.1/src/objects.c 08:48 * +1 tins (of spinach) make you stronger (like Popeye). 08:48 * tins have type specified by obj->spe (+1 for spinach, other implies 08:48 flesh; 08:48 Moult, oh ouch 08:48 hope you find the culprit 08:49 negative specifies preparation method {homemade,boiled,&c}) 08:49 &c is a very strange way to say 'et cetera' 08:50 now the question, would +2 tin of spinach give you actual spinach or some fleshy kind of thing 08:51 ant flesh 08:52 can somebody wiztest that quickly? ^_^" 08:52 Got it 08:52 nice 08:53 i assume it was a dwarf? 08:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:53 no, it doesn't 08:53 gives spinach or gives ant flesh? 08:53 It ignores the +1 if you aren't wishing for an enchantable or chargeable item 08:54 you just got a random tin of spinach 08:54 er 08:54 but if you wish for just +1 tin, you get tin of spinach still?L 08:55 * K2 tries to motivate himself to work on the evilhack wiki entry 08:57 -!- stenno has quit [Killed (orwell.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 08:57 -!- stennowork is now known as stenno 08:57 -!- stenno is now known as stennowork 09:00 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:06 Where is all this booze in mines end 09:07 gnome kings wine cellar? 09:07 Yes 09:07 Did someone steal it too 09:07 in the upper left-ish is a secret room with a lot of potions 09:10 there are different mines end layouts, only one has the booze 09:10 3 different: catacombs with undead and spellbooks, mimic of the mines with little secret closets, and wine cellar 09:16 Fantastic 09:16 Someone stole the booze and I force bolted them 09:16 No more booze 09:16 aw 09:20 How bad is it to walk around burdened 09:20 Do you always avoid it ? 09:20 No 09:20 But be ready to drop stuff if you encounter anything threatening. 09:21 Sometimes I walk around strained... 09:21 do you really need all you carry, or can you park stuff next to a downstair you'll take in the next two turns? 09:21 (like, the previous one, for example) 09:21 Usually when I'm carrying a stash box or corpse 09:22 does anyone know alignment restrictions for splice angel, infernal, drow, ghoul, merfolk? 09:23 I can imagine the middle three are cha, but can the other two be? should they be? 09:25 wait, roles determine that, right? 09:25 I see makes sense 09:25 Do you usually just read scrolls of ID whenever or do you wait to bless them? 09:26 when I can get holy water, I bless them and try to put as much in my main inventory as I can fit without missing something important to escape 09:26 plus clothes of course, and weapon 09:29 I see. So wait until blessing 09:43 always remember you can bless a whole stack of items with one potion of holy water. Useful for enchant scrolls, etc as well as making more holy water 09:47 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 10:01 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:01 I prefer to go to my stash and identify things there 10:02 yeah, when that has a lot of stuff stahsed for id-ing later, of course. :) 10:04 can I do a menucolour "word"=underline, without the color&? 10:05 I've never tried but you can do the color without the underline so there doesn't seem to be a reason why not 10:05 IIRC that used to negate the colour, but it may have been fixed 10:06 I guess I can try. :) 10:06 how do you negate the colour? can something have no colour at all? 10:06 will start a char on us server and look around when I'm done, so I can properly play on eu server in junethack 10:06 inverse 10:06 that works, right? 10:06 maybe? 10:06 lol 10:07 for me, anything without its beatitude identified has no colour 10:08 I'm taking raisse's config as example, and think the unpaid one is a rather neat idea 10:11 i have light blue for 'unidentified' 10:11 I have light blue for blessed, putting lightmagenta&underline for unpaid 10:11 for me lightmagenta are super special things 10:12 I don't think I have super special things. holding cancel tricks are lightblue& underline, wishing (also pinched from raisse) I made lightgreen 10:17 I have colors for the following: shouldn't-be-put-in-a-BoH; blessed; known-uncursed; cursed-and-maybe-should-stay-that-way; cursed; default 10:17 hehe 10:18 Having a color for wishing is not a bad idea. I might add that at some point. 10:20 "The kitten eats the giant corpse." 10:21 * Hekik angrily shakes his fist 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:20084 10:24 Is there no light black? 10:24 on hte colours in config I mean 10:25 or is black '8' and gray '7'? 10:25 NetHack calls it "dark gray", and some really old terminals don't support it correctly, so it's not used by default. 10:25 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:25 ok, which one? 10:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:26 black = 0, gray = 7, dark gray = 8, white = 15? 10:26 That's the traditional ANSI order, yes. 10:26 thanks 10:26 Which is _fairly_ pervasive these days. 10:27 I just wanted to know what the config means with the words black and gray and why no lightblack :) 10:27 didn't bhaak make some experiments or patches regarding terminal colors? 10:28 Also, note that NetHack only has one red, but on ANSI systems, the light red ends up getting used for the unavailable orange. 10:28 I'd be more comfortable with names like bribla briblu briyel yel,... 10:28 But if you look at what things are that color, it's clearly meant to be orange. Some of us have custom color palettes that reflect this. 10:29 I'd like to see 24-bit color support so you can just drop in a six-digit hex code. All the really good terminals support that these days. 10:30 Unfortunately, the only Windows option then would be MobaXTerm, which is kinda heavyweight (it's much more than just a terminal). 10:30 I wouldn't know what to do with that. my memory barely remembers 16 colours for computer, and 10 for resistors. :) 10:30 Someone should put together a 24-bit-color patch for vanilla PuTTY. 10:30 and I forgot the order of computer colours, though I'm pretty sure 1 is blue and 4 is red 10:31 or 1 is green? 10:31 1 is blue 10:31 yay! 10:31 1 is blue in ASNI 10:31 There *are* computer systems where 1 is red. 10:31 But they are out of fashion these days. 10:31 I know it from EGA/VGA, never really knew what to do with ANSI 10:32 well, the REAL order should be black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white. 10:32 but that's just me :) 10:32 anyway, back to splice config. :) 10:33 Eh, black is #000000, red is #FF0000, yellow is #FFFF00, green is #00FF00, blue is #0000FF, etc. 10:33 Also you left out "cyan" (which is computer speak for sky blue). 10:33 oh, I find that red green blue way just plain off. 10:33 there's no cyan in resistor colours 10:33 Ah. 10:34 I thought you were just doing a modified ROYGBIV 10:34 gold and silver say the tolerance % 10:34 what's that? 10:34 spectrum order. 10:34 ah 10:34 I think indigo has no place in there either. :) 10:34 It's been so long since I tried to read resistor stripes, I've forgotten everything. 10:35 it 10:35 Indigo is splitting hairs. 10:35 it's pretty much all I remember from the job training, apart from R=U/I 10:35 If you're going to have indigo, you also need spring green, several different shades of orange varying from red-orange to yellow-orange, and so on. 10:35 yeah! 10:35 so, screw indigo! :) 10:36 I mean, I like indigo as a color. 10:36 But it's not one of the fundamental base colors. 10:36 we agree 10:36 Not like "blue" or "red" 10:37 Also, the English language desperately needs more words for "brown". 10:37 lol 10:37 the color which is all colors 10:37 well thats white i guess 10:37 octarine! 10:37 thats the 8th color :D 10:37 As it stands, "brown" covers basically any darkish desaturated color that's noticeably not blue-tinted. 10:38 Dark desaturated red, dark desaturated orange, dark desaturated yellow, dark desaturated green even, all "brown" 10:38 It's really ambiguous. 10:38 Almost as bad as the Japanese "ao", which runs the gamut from spring green to indigo. 10:39 Usually translated "blue", but also used to mean unripe (for fruit), for example. 10:39 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 10:40 jonadab, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_brown 10:42 the shades of brown to come 10:43 jonadab: unnethack has 24 bit color support with an approximation function for 256 color terms 10:43 if you held up burnt umber and chestnut next to each other, I'd have no idea which is which though. Common usage is "beige, tan, brown, dark brown" 10:43 Yeah, ok, but those are mostly fairly _specific_ shades. I kind of want words that are intermediate in specificness, more specific than "brown" but less specific than e.g. "khaki" 10:44 I should add a force_truecolor option 10:47 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 10:50 Almost. 10:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:42159 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42161 10:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Mon Cen Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:20466 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6304 11:26 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 11:27 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:27 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 11:47 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:44600 11:50 in nethack config, will SYMBOLS=S_fountain:\d203 work? 11:50 with ibmgraphics 11:52 for 3.6.x no 11:53 Ok, how would I do it in 3.6.n? 11:53 hmm 11:53 well maybe 11:53 try it 11:53 hehe 11:53 looking at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Symset and https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Custom_map_symbols where I got from the nethack options 11:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (fire giant), on T:9215 11:55 if I start a char on the us server, and then forget about it (because I want to see if the config works) I can happily play on eu server in junethack, right? 11:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:9316 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:9317 11:59 hiya :) 12:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1642 points, T:3052, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome mummy 12:05 yo Mickmane, how's splicehack? (I can't give you many hints about that, for while I ascended it once, that was an old version and the variant has changed quite a bit since) 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] iyarkonan (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:5914 12:06 I'm tweaking the config and now wondering whether, well, I'lll paste my question again: if I start a char on the us server, and then forget about it (because I want to see if the config works) I can happily play on eu server in junethack, right? 12:06 <@Puck> Hey amy, what are the resistances and intrisics spirits start with? 12:07 Mickmane: When you bind your hdf account to your jnh account you can play on any hdf server 12:07 so, I can use us server to test with a char that will then be neglected, and properly start playing on eu, right? 12:08 sure 12:08 ok, thanks! 12:08 it won't count if it started before jnh 12:08 yeah, but I don't want to quit a char I started just so I can start a new one 12:08 I don't want quits ruining my perfectly miserably stats! 12:10 @Puck: resist sickness, cold, sleep, poison, disintegration and petrification, undead warning 12:10 !who 12:10 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] samiam [nh363] ssnufd [nh363] oh6 [nh363] iyarkonan [nh363] jonathanhanes [nh363] aa [nh363] hackedhead [nh4] Hekik [slex] PavelB [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh363] janekw [nh363] AlbertB [nh363] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:10 <@Puck> Wowies 12:11 yeah spirit is teh pwnz0r :D 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3262 12:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed silver dragon scale mail", on T:10644 12:14 <@Puck> Lets see how far this boi gets 12:15 <@Puck> Skipping rooms through walls ftw 12:15 @Puck: on which server are you playing? I wanna watch 12:15 <@Puck> us, but atm im not home 12:15 <@Puck> Using phone 12:15 oh so you're playing locally 12:15 is that the gurr version? 12:15 shoutout to the throne I just sat on for being the first one do anything more interesting than vanish in a puff of logic in my life 12:16 <@Puck> I meant im using discord on phone 12:16 @Puck: ah I see 12:17 <@Puck> When i get home i can @ you if you wish 12:17 sure, I'll be here for a couple hours :) 12:17 got a tour again tomorrow (no holidays for me! :P) but at least I don't have to get up all that bloody early for this one 12:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:47044 12:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:26 game didn't complain about SYMBOLS=S_fountain:\d203 in options 12:28 anyone know how I skip the spicehack message of the day? 12:28 lmao spicehack 12:28 that should be a variant 12:29 haha, didn't see the typo 12:29 splice* 12:29 It could have long worms and crysknifes no wait 12:29 lol 12:30 Pinkbeast: any chance I'll be able to use the help of the great damerell in junethack again this year? ;) 12:30 also, Mickmane: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2625 :D 12:31 lol 12:31 LarienTelrunya: I think that partly depends on progress on Stoat Soup development and whether the lustre of City of Heroes reborn wears off so I'm not spending half my spare time on that 12:32 Pinkbeast: stoat soup? is that the name of your variant? 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh4] eWii2 (disbi) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 47981 points, T:10910, killed by a dwarf king 12:32 Yes. One of us is obsessed with mustellids 12:32 aaaah, what does the menu do, I want aby for apply bag yes (take out) 12:33 how do I get the familiar apply bag menu? 12:34 Mickmane: menustyle option? 12:34 <@Puck> OPTIONS=menustyle:full 12:34 I'm trying to find it 12:34 <@Puck> I think that one 12:35 thanks 12:35 Bugged message in slex? 12:35 "es come to life!" 12:35 Hekik: hahaha :D I know, it's a garbled version of "The statues come to life!", but it's intentional 12:35 means you triggered an animation trap that spawned monsters around you 12:35 <@Puck> How do i make it so when it asks for an item it lists them down instead of giving letters inside a [] 12:36 ah, ok. It's hard to tell what's intentional and what's not in slex haha 12:36 OPTIONS=menustyle:Partial is already in the config 12:36 @Puck: isn't that what the menustyle option does? 12:37 <@Puck> Nope 12:37 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options#menustyle 12:37 Wait, you want it to _automatically_ give you a menu every time it asks for an object, without you pressing ? ? 12:37 it should help you, Puck 12:37 <@Puck> Yea 12:37 wow imagine not having permanent inventory on 12:38 <@Puck> I dont think its menustyle, iirc it didnt do it 12:38 Junethack: New user Unholydonuts registered! https://junethack.net/user/Unholydonuts 12:38 in slex, OPTIONS=menustyle:Partial worked for me 12:38 but it doesn't work in splice 12:38 Mickmane: Does it show as partial ingame? 12:39 Junethack: New user Hekik registered! https://junethack.net/user/Hekik 12:39 yes, Pinkbeast 12:39 g - menustyle [partial] 12:39 Hekik: would you like to be in my clan for junethack? ♥ 12:40 wasn't planning on being in a clan, but sure. Warning, I can only play for a few minutes a day! 12:40 LarienTelrunya: Is your keyboard layout configured to input ♥s, by any chance? 12:40 <@Puck> How does partial show stuff? 12:41 Hekik: hahaha that's alright, membership in my clan comes without any obligations, i.e. if you can't find the time to play many games, that's totally ok :) 12:41 I hit a for apply, b for bag, y for yes to take something out, and it shows me the whole contents 12:41 PavelB: kind of; I wish I could easily make other hearts too 12:41 ones like these: 💜 💚 😍 12:41 LarienTelrunya: cool, thanks for the invite! 12:41 all rectangles, that 12:41 :) 12:41 Junethack: New user funcrunch registered! https://junethack.net/user/funcrunch 12:42 heh, on my screen it's a lilac heart, a green heart, and a smiley with heart eyes 12:42 I prefer the rectangles 12:42 welcome to the team Hekik! :) 12:43 LarienTelrunya: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=22339 <-- MSKLC 12:44 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 12:44 oh, an application to reconfigure keyboard keys? 12:44 For creating keyboard layouts 12:45 any idea how I can get the menu for the bag work as I know? 12:45 It doesn't just rebind some keys like some keyboard software it can actually add it as an alternative layout for whatever language in Windows 12:48 [hdf-us] [slex] Hekik (Zyb Spe Mal Law), 21294 points, T:3714, killed by a fumarole spores 12:51 ah, random slex roles. I am a neutral female naga quarterback 12:51 LarienTelrunya, cat_with_heart_shaped_eyes 12:51 stennowork: lol 12:52 Hekik: yaaaaaay a ZAPM role! :) 12:52 https://emojipedia.org/smiling-cat-face-with-heart-shaped-eyes/ 12:52 😻 12:52 heh, that one somehow looks like it grins diabolically, at least on my screen 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:48962 12:53 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 12:53 apparently I have fumbling as well 12:54 there were a few ice tiles, maybe you walked over them? 12:54 vanilla has the same weird menu 12:54 oh probably 12:54 your sack is empty, do what with it... wrong menu, I want it to ask me if I wnat to take something out 12:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:55 anyone have any idea how I get the old function? 12:55 well, that was a busy few turns - Medusa petrified my tame arch-lich, then petrified herself gazing at my amulet of reflection 12:55 poor little arch-lich 12:56 No one? 12:56 oh6: no stone to flesh? 12:57 Menche, menustyle might do that 12:57 it doesn't 12:57 mm 12:57 OPTIONS=menustyle:Partial worked in slex, not in vanilla now 12:57 if your sack is empty you can't take anything out anyway 12:57 well, I put something in and it's still the wrong menu 12:58 have you tried all possible menustyles? 12:58 I guess I can try, but why would partial no longer be what I want? 12:58 something in the menus changed for the new version, I remember it fucking with my muscle memory but not exactly what it was any more 12:59 just as well, really - tame arch-liches are an awful nuisance sometimes 12:59 can't keep them out of any room, and can't safely ditch them on another level for long 12:59 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] iyarkonan (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 9184 points, T:13241, poisoned by a soldier ant 13:00 they all do something wrong, the first 2 give just a list of letters, but not the question I can answer with y or n, and the other two are the weird menu that lists what letters do 13:01 that doesn't exist any more in 3.6 and versions derived from it 13:01 I very vaguely remember encountering that on nao maybe. I just don't remember looking at 36n 13:01 what you want is the old 3.4.3 partial menu (and what I want is the old 3.4.3 combination menu) 13:01 aw man, thanks 13:01 why not? 13:01 yes, I want the old partial menu 13:02 because of the devs' ineffable Besserwisserei. 13:02 why did they change it? 13:02 ^ 13:02 can someoen please write a patch? 13:06 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:09 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:10 Junethack: New user oh6 registered! https://junethack.net/user/oh6 13:10 <@Puck> If you find a way that isnt partial menu please show 13:13 Puck, you have the opposite problem to me I think, with slex you get the 343 menu style, with 36n I get that menu style, and we want the other 13:13 go to options O and scroll through until you see menustyle and see what you can pick there and how it behaves 13:13 that's the best both of us can do :/ 13:15 perhaps someone could file a bug report or something, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm 13:16 perhaps even multiple someones, if whatever it is is bothering more than just one person 13:16 for the menu, with the vanilla dev team? 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh4] hPR2 (disbi) (Pri Hum Mal Law), 33152 points, T:4418, killed by a soldier ant 13:17 <@Puck> Ima try and see on my local nh 13:17 <@Puck> There its exactly like i want it 13:17 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:17 I don't think I can rally the mob. like someone said, they remember something screwing with muscle memory, but no longer know what it was. 13:18 Puck, is it slex or vanilla? 13:19 <@Puck> Lists everything and on something such as "D" gives a list of item types and then what items are there to drop on that category 13:19 <@Puck> Thats what i got on local vanilla and want on putty vanilla 13:19 <@Puck> And i also want it for slex 13:20 are you talking about force_invmenu? 13:20 he may be talking about something other than I, true 13:20 <@Puck> Thats probably exactly what im looking for 13:20 <@Puck> How should i write it in? 13:21 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Kni Ang Nbn Law), 628 points, T:5507, killed by a bolt of fire 13:21 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options 13:21 <@Puck> Just "OPTIONS=force_invmenu"? 13:22 if you want it on, then yes 13:23 <@Puck> I think thats it 13:23 <@Puck> Just gotta get home and test it now 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Ran Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3430 13:25 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 13:26 [hdf-us] [slex] Hekik (Qua Nag Fem Neu), 1747 points, T:387, killed by a monster (soldier ant) Go Team Ant! 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh4] ePR11 (disbi) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 14340 points, T:1303, killed by a sewer rat 13:31 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 13:34 <@Puck> LOL 13:34 <@Puck> Built in go team ant message 13:35 silly 13:36 [hdf-us] [un] xelfe (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1059 points, T:2009, killed by a pony 13:36 well it is slex 13:37 of course it's silly 13:43 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:46 hey, do any of the wizards here know how to grab an entire web page with whatever they call subdirectories? 13:47 I would like to grab https://web.archive.org/web/20180305120616/http://www.rakrent.com/rtsc/rtsc_startopia.htm before it disappears from the archive too 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4456 13:50 wget has a -r argument which I usually use 13:50 ... you will want to pore over the man page for a bit 13:51 * Mickmane asks google about that wget thing, thanks 13:52 Uh - if you're on a real computer, "man wget"; if not, this probably isn't the easiest thing 13:53 I'm on a pc with windoze 7, real keyboard, monitor, mouse,... :) 13:53 when I have the head for it, I'll dig into downloading wget thing and then the page, with reading documentaition. 13:54 Windows 7 doesn't have wget or curl 13:54 I needed a dragonname for splice, and went to look for the web page of startopia, to find something fitting my other names 13:54 Win10 has curl tho 13:54 I thought I have to download something to do the trick anyway 13:55 it might come with git 13:55 if you run git bash 13:55 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:55 I don't know what that means. 13:55 need to reboot, brb 13:56 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 13:57 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 13:58 -!- raisse is now known as Guest51534 13:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:59 -!- Guest51534 is now known as raisse 14:02 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 14:02 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:03 sorry for disappearing like that PavelB, avast crashed in the middle of an update, so I thought I better reboot 14:03 wget -rk https://web.archive.org/web/20180305120616/http://www.rakrent.com/rtsc/rtsc_startopia.htm # would probably fetch what you want, but also fetch a ton of crap from the wayback machine itself 14:03 like what? 14:04 just random crap from the web.archive.org main page 14:04 http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/downlinks/wget.php <-- wget for windows 14:04 ah, I guess that's ok, as long as I can preserve that brilliant startopia page for my own use at least 14:04 I don't think wget is smart enough to be able to tell the difference between the page itself and the wayback machine header 14:05 that link changes to https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnuwin32/files/ 14:05 is that correct? 14:06 yep 14:06 hmm, looks like wget *is* smart enough 14:07 I went through the directories to the .zip and it says download will start soon 14:07 thanks much for all your help! :)) 14:07 I knew people here would have a clue. 14:08 wget -rk --accept-regex 'rakrent.com' https://web.archive.org/web/20180305120616/http://www.rakrent.com/rtsc/rtsc_startopia.htm # may prevent some random wayback machine crap 14:09 * PavelB didn't actually know any of this and just opened the wget man page 14:10 trying different mirror, maybe sourgeforge is putting me on hold because I refuse cookies. 14:10 you can get wget from somewhere else if you find it 14:10 -!- Frederic has joined #hardfought 14:11 clicking direct link allows to pick a destination, yay 14:12 did I download a source with the .zip? 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (watchman), on T:5795 14:13 I don't think so 14:13 interesting genocide choice 14:13 You *did* download like a bunch of crap 14:13 all the coreutils really 14:13 which include wget 14:13 I'lll try the thing that ends with bin.zip, hoping it's the binary :) 14:13 it's like step 1 of having a "real computer" 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] ssnufd (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1238 points, T:5848, quit 14:14 -!- rouge_dude has joined #hardfought 14:14 I can't follow you. sorry :) 14:14 ...I think that's the wrong link, actually 14:14 https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnuwin32/files/wget/1.11.4-1/wget-1.11.4-1-bin.zip/download 14:15 that's what I got now 14:15 one directory has a wget.exe 14:15 You want the setup.exe: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnuwin32/files/wget/1.11.4-1/wget-1.11.4-1-setup.exe/download 14:16 Loe is streaming nethack on twitch again. https://www.twitch.tv/loe_lol (if someone is interested) 14:16 hm, I was hoping for portable rather than something that spreads runners into the C directory like so many things do with windoze 14:16 It'll make sure some dlls are in the right spot 14:16 ah, ok, thanks! 14:16 well you might be able to get the zip to work with some additional effort 14:16 IDK I haven't tried it before 14:17 I'm at home with DOS (and don't understand that fully either), anything that puts stuff where I don't want it is unwanted. :) 14:17 I just live with it, sigh 14:17 the real solution is to have chocolatey so you can choco install wget 14:17 hehe 14:18 I had 2 pieces of chocolate. my subconscious has finally registered that I don't want to lug around 50 extra kilos (130 instead of 80), so it reduces my appetite for that. 14:19 slowly going down, the kilos 14:19 If I keep my default megalomaniac 'I'm great, no need to change anything', I'll soon lug around 200k, and I don't want that. 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:51702 14:32 PavelB, it's doing something, I just wonder why the program talks german to me. 14:33 no idea 14:33 my os is english, btw 14:33 it's seeing your IP address I suppose 14:34 so if you were visiting me and using my router for a laptop or something, you'd end up with German software? 14:35 let's think of chocolate, rather than grump about that (I hate it when games do that, for example) 14:35 I'd end up with German webpages at least 14:35 * raisse thinks of chocolate WHICH HAS RUN OUT 14:35 aw, that's terrible! 14:36 run after it at once! I'm sure you can catch it and tell it off. ;P 14:37 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 14:37 I just remembered I have even more chocolate; some for baking, in the kitchen, want to make a chocolate cake and see if I can preserve it in jars (I saw something about that on the internet). 14:38 but when I was in the mood for it, I noticed I didn't have much flour left. 14:38 now I have flour, but no drive for anything. 14:41 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] rschaff (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1427 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2607 points, T:4708, killed by a giant beetle, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:48 I noticed that, what with changing positions of this and team channel, I got confused where I was typing. 14:48 yeah 14:48 I have the same thing with another set of channels 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh343] rschaff (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2409 points, T:1721, killed by a werewolf 14:49 I'm not alone! :) 14:49 wget thingy is still doing stuff 14:49 it has to do a lot of stuff? 14:49 I want that startopia website saved to my computer before it vanishes into the void 14:50 PavelB found me a program and a command line (which I tweaked according to error messages), and now it's grabbing it! 14:51 Cool 14:52 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 14:54 hm there is one disadvantage to having an air elemental as a pet 14:55 every time it attacks something my message line fills up like i'm on the astral plane 14:55 Theres a MSGTYPE for not repeating stuff 14:55 Presumably the nuisance comes to an end once the thing is marmalised 14:56 yeah 14:56 wow good thing that pack of ogres can obliterated out of sight 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 609 points, T:2269, killed by a gnome lord 15:12 MSGTYPE=norep 15:12 -!- Menche has quit [Excess Flood] 15:13 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 15:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] StatueSurfer (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12236 15:15 that would be MSGTYPE=norep "Fluffy hits the" 15:15 not sure of exact syntax 15:16 [hdf-us] [slex] Hekik (Jed Bre Mal Cha), 3031 points, T:2415, killed by a monster (bug), while frozen by breathing a potion 15:17 thanks for the advice 15:18 my pet died in soko tho :( 15:18 wow, did it go too wild on the zoo? 15:19 no it got killed by a giant mimic 15:19 how mean 15:20 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6885 15:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] BigolPHD (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:3003 15:26 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:38 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:49 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 15:50 <@Puck> force_invmenu worked for vanilla 15:50 <@Puck> but not for slex 15:50 <@Puck> halp 15:53 seems like slex doesn't have that option then :( 15:53 <@Puck> aww 15:53 it's a 3.6 option 15:54 <@Puck> anything like that in slex? 15:55 not that I know of 15:56 <@Puck> playing rn btw 15:57 ok I'll watch :) 15:59 [hdf-us] [slex] Matie (Mur Esp Mal Neu), 284 points, T:308, killed by a fatal weakness 15:59 <@Puck> i think i just died a really dumb death 16:00 as a murderer, you often start with weakness boots; those will continuously damage you if you're weak from hunger, with no message 16:01 <@Puck> ouch 16:02 this in combination with the murderer's low starting nutrition can quickly prove fatal 16:04 the murderer's starting items are slightly randomized: helmet can be either a +3 helm of thirst or a +0 helm of bad alignment, and gauntlets can be +0 trap creation or +2 undroppable gloves 16:04 <@Puck> why couldnt i eat a newt corpse on that run? 16:05 you're a spirit, you cannot eat corpses 16:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] BigolPHD (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7074 points, T:4424, killed by a wolf 16:06 <@Puck> how can i get nutrition? 16:06 by eating 16:06 <@Puck> what 16:07 food? 16:07 <@Puck> if i were to find any 16:07 she said corpses not rations/cram/wafers/etc 16:07 heh well, yeah you probably need permafood, or the satisfy hunger spell 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] cadaver (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1190 points, T:2743, killed by a lizard 16:08 slow digestion ring would also help :D 16:08 anyway I'll be mostly afk for a while now 16:08 <@Puck> okay 16:08 use the ring of life so that you aren't a ghost anymore 16:09 (i'm kidding. that's not a thing in slex. probably.) 16:10 claims that any specific thing isn't in slex are dangerous, especially in #hardfought 16:10 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 16:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 16:10 there's a decent chance you're wrong, and a decent chance that LarienTelrunya will add whatever thing it is upon seeing it mentioned 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] every (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 3235 points, T:5398, quit 16:11 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonathanhanes (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a brown mold, on T:9299 16:13 <@Puck> (mfw i couldnt think literally about food 16:13 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:15 !tell Luxidream Thanks for last night's bug reports. The one I thought was a vanilla bug isn't. They should both be fixed now (well, when CKO rebuilds overnight.) 16:15 Will do, Pinkbeast! 16:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Matie (Mur Esp Mal Cha), 227 points, T:415, killed by a monster (minx) 16:15 -!- workimer has joined #hardfought 16:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v workimer] by ChanServ 16:18 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:19 -!- remirol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:20 -!- Frederic has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21 lol I found knight bones with a nameless saddled pony 16:21 named it Bessie 16:21 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 16:22 huh, which variant does Pinkbeast maintain? 16:22 I've been losing track of variants and their devs recently 16:23 I didn't know Pinkbeast maintained anything 16:23 Stoat Soup. (It's a variant of that _other_ roguelike with Sigmund) 16:24 I'm glad Crawl is getting variants (other than DCSS which is technically a variant but which is much more popular than the original); many people dislike the way the core game is going 16:24 Stoat Soup? is that better than stone soup? 16:24 Not for the stoat 16:24 I don't like the way stonen soup went 16:25 right, I meant I didn't like the way stone soup went 16:25 the core game of crawl, or the core game of stonesoup, ais523? 16:25 ah, I'm not alone! 16:25 LDC (the original) didn't really go anywhere, although IIRC it isn't 100% unmaintained 16:25 more like NH4 levels of unmaintained 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Bartlem (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3332 points, T:3724, killed by a plains centaur 16:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:25 LDC is so much easier to remember than how to spell Linley :) 16:26 wait people still play nh4...? 16:26 yes 16:26 it's still arguably a better game than vanilla 16:26 (I should steal some patches from 3.6.x, though, especially the ones I wrote myself) 16:26 Pinkbeast, after junethack (I always read that as june-thack, is that just me?), tell me more about your Crawl variant 16:26 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Hea Swn Fem Neu), 973 points, T:739, killed by a baby white dragon 16:27 lol 16:27 Linley Crawl is AFAIK stuck at the unplayable 4.1whatever release, it's not been developed since 16:27 Mickmane: I read it as ju-nethack 16:27 I think that's intended, jonadab 16:28 i think it's supposed to be june-nethack 16:28 fwiw, the correct course of action from NH4 is probably either to rebase onto FIQHack, or just outright merge with it 16:28 Pinkbeast, I don't remember what version I played and won a very few times. What are you doing with it and from where do you take off? 16:28 Yes, especially if we can get FIQ to ever finish xhity merge. 16:29 what's xhity? 16:29 that said, NH4 is so close to a release it's annoying 16:29 http://crawl.montres.org.uk/about.html - we diverged at 0.21 although we do now have all the bits of 0.22 we wanted - it's not a major variant, just shaving off some corners 16:29 StatueSurfer: the whole general set of functions dealing with one thing in combat with another 16:29 ah 16:29 vanilla has lots of different versions of them saying the same thing over and over again with different structures 16:30 who is 'we', Pinkbeast? 16:30 NH4 and later FIQHack aimed to clean up the mess, it's a pretty gradual process 16:30 Myself and two IRL friends 16:30 StatueSurfer: mhitm, mhitu, uhitm, etc. 16:30 okay yeah 16:30 ... with the tragic and curious omission of uhitu 16:30 ah, thought there might be a familiar name there, but with that, probably not (the one that comes to mind lives in INdia) 16:31 Pinkbeast: There's also stuff like bhitm 16:31 wait, crawl webtiles and crawl tty are written in different /programming languages/? 16:31 These two live rather closer than India 16:31 (presumably JavaScript and C++ respectively?) 16:31 Surely not... 16:31 ais523: Some bits of webtiles are done in JS, yes 16:31 Pinkbeast, figured :) 16:31 one of the things that made me give up on DCSS was the utter user interface inconsistency 16:31 Oh, "some bits", as in part of the UI. 16:31 Ok, I can almost buy that. 16:33 NH4 has ~100 lines of C++ in it, but they're just to gain portable access to a linker feature that we can't portably get at otherwise 16:33 it seemed to make more sense to use C++ for that rather than gcc/clang-specific features as both gcc and clang support C++ anyway 16:35 -!- antigulp has joined #hardfought 16:35 Having a bit of C++ code in a mostly C project isn't that weird. 16:35 Having one port written in C++ and the other in Javascript would be considerably less usual. 16:36 Though using small bits of Javascript embedded in a mostly-other-language project makes sense if the thing is sending out HTML to a browser client. 16:36 Sometimes you want to give the user a convenience feature on the client side without requiring a round-trip to the server. For stuff like farlook. 16:37 I feel sorry for JavaScript 16:37 -!- Antigulp11 has joined #hardfought 16:37 it's an insane language, but only because it was the result of giving a hugely talented language designer an impossibly short deadline 16:37 Don't feel sorry for Javascript. It's like the second or third most popular programming language. 16:37 And it doesn't deserve to be. 16:37 the fact that it's usable at all is a miracle (IIRC it was written in a week) 16:37 <{Demo}2> javascript is a wild wacky fun time 16:38 Just remember that it was only named after java because java was popular. The two aren't really related. 16:38 Ok, yes, that's true as far as it goes. 16:38 Antigulp11: same company, that's why the name's the same 16:38 but yes, unrelated apart from who created them 16:38 Ah, gotcha. 16:38 Wait, I thought Sun owned Java back then. 16:39 There is a black flash as a black potion hits the altar. 16:39 yes, they owned JavaScript too I think 16:39 figures 16:39 -!- antigulp has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:39 -!- Antigulp11 is now known as Antigulp 16:39 I was pretty sure JavaScript was implemented at Netscape, and they were going to call it LiveScript but got talked into calling it Javascript because of business partnership reasons. 16:39 aha, apparently it was a collaboration between Netscape (who owned the main browser at the time) and Sun (creators of Java) 16:39 -!- Antigulp has left #hardfought 16:39 Oh, collab, ok. 16:39 just looked it up 16:39 I'll buy that. 16:40 lol raisse 16:40 what does a black flash even look like? light doesn't work like that 16:40 I just looked at my old files, crawl version from 2006, possibly 340? 16:40 And yeah, that was back when Netscape was _almost_ the only game in town for browsers. I mean, Mosaic still existed, but nobody used it; and Lynx was around, and _maybe_ Opera? 16:41 But Opera had like 0.5% market share or something, at best. 16:41 still does ;-) 16:42 Yes, but they've been in that space for so long, it doesn't appear to mean that they're losing or going by the wayside. 16:42 lynx is still around too, but I normally use w3m instead 16:42 Mickmane: Bit before my time, although I remember rec.games.roguelike.misc being all Linley Crawl 16:42 Right, w3m is only a couple of years newer than Lynx. 16:42 I tend to use elinks or links2 or whatever. 16:42 rgrm is dead nowadays 16:43 Most of usenet is pretty well dead these days. 16:43 rgrn is the only active roguelike newsgroup I think (apart from rgra but that's almost entirely just FAQ postings) 16:43 Me too. that was probably shortly before they came up with the stone soup (I think I remember the discussion about the name, and didn't like the name) 16:43 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 3107 points, T:1853, killed by a Green-elf 16:43 It started to die when smaller ISPs stopped having their own nntp server. 16:43 jonadab: it's weird, I remember when rgrm was active, it died fairly recently 16:43 And then larger ISPs followed suit... 16:43 ais523: Sure, some groups held out longer than others. 16:44 I'm sure there are even a few that are still active. 16:44 But the handwriting is on the wall. 16:44 I even posted a YAVM for Pokémon Mystery Dungeon to it, but nobody replied 16:44 rec.arts.sf.written is still active 16:44 rec.games.bridge is active, I'm subscribed there 16:44 I expect the uk.radio.amateur intercine feuding will continue until all but one of the people involved is dead 16:45 It's not so bad the last remaining geezer can fight with himself? 16:45 comp.lang.c is /probably/ still active but has been more or less continuous flamewars for decades, so I tend not to stay subscribed to it for long at a time 16:46 "Overview information for 222694-223193 follows", wow that's active 16:47 (that's the NNTP server giving me the range of articles that are still on the spool, that's approximately 500 of them) 16:47 Sure, but how many of them are viagra ads? 16:47 viagra ads are really rare on usenet 16:47 Wait, when did THAT change? 16:47 you get spam but it's mostly aimed at people who are specifically looking for the spam 16:48 I guess I've been away from usenet longer than I realized. 16:48 most commonly, offers to help people cheat at exams in return for money 16:48 (the point being that most people will ignore it but the intended audience knows to look on Usenet for it, because it's a hard channel to block) 16:50 wow, I resubscribe to comp.lang.c, having not looked at it for years 16:50 and some of the specific flamewars from last time I looked at it are /still/ going 16:50 And the discussion you last saw is still going on? 16:50 Yeah. 16:50 rgrm still gets very occasional POWDER YAVPs 16:51 Let me guess: the one about whether "byte" specifically means eight bits or not (most C language experts say not, because they are idiots)? 16:51 actually no, the flamewars ascended to a metalevel a long time ago 16:51 Ah. 16:51 So stuff like whether newer C standards are an improvement? 16:51 no, the actual topicality of the group is mostly irrelevant to them at this point 16:52 Ah. 16:52 Oh, interpersonal junk. 16:52 right 16:52 Every group has that occasionally. 16:53 yes, you normally expect any particular argument to stop in some timescale less than "several years" 16:53 but it's hard on Usenet because there's no such thing as a global ban, only everyone individually killfiling 16:53 (I'm personally very reluctant to killfile but have been pushed to it on occasion) 16:53 with the wget (subject here earlier), I wonder where the files I've seen scroll past went, not in the dir it made that keeps getting bigger. 16:54 ais523: I used to use threadkill fairly often. 16:54 Back when I had a real newsreader. 16:54 This sounds very like the ukra intercine warfare (which I know about because someone proposed ukra.moderated and it spilled over into the group creation groups forever) 16:54 (Which equates to back when I had an ISP that offered an nntp service.) 16:54 I grew an allergy to arguments, and a very big killfile, on usenet. 16:55 I found killing threads usually more effective than killfiling individuals. 16:55 I guess we differ there 16:55 Although, that was back when most of the people on usenet used actual newsreaders. 16:55 These days with everyone using Google Groups, the threads probably break a lot more often. 16:56 Mostly Google Groups seems now to provide replies to posts from 20 years ago 16:56 * ais523 unsubscribes from comp.lang.c again 16:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] autolycus (Rog Orc Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3739 16:56 Google Groups is a disaster and probably killed Usenet harder than AOL ever did 16:57 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:58 The problem isn't that Google Groups exists. The problem is that it's the easiest way for people to access usenet on a daily basis because real news feeds basically don't exist anymore unless you spend money on them every month. 16:58 DejaNews existed back in the timeframe I'm talking about, and that was fine. 16:58 People used it for looking up expired stuff. 16:59 Eternal September is free, and a proper news feed 16:59 it just misses out some of the binary groups (which used to be dominiated by illegal material anyway, and probably still are) 16:59 actually the bigger problem nowadays is finding a decent newsreader to connect to it 16:59 People keep telling me that, but every time I try to use it, I get about ten messages loaded and then it stops working. 16:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:00 it works for me; I'm not sure what's wrong in your case 17:00 Dunno. 17:00 although there was some message that seemed to break it in rgrn at some point a few years ago, and I had to unsubscribe until it dropped out of the spool, that hasn't happened since 17:02 fwiw, bilious rgrn reader is likely the best web-based way to read rgrn, but it doesn't work for the rest of usenet 17:02 https://bilious.alt.org/rgrn/ 17:02 and it doesn't support sending messages 17:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:06 PavelB, I think I did something wrong 17:07 I stopped it finally, because it seemed to download all sorts of stuff, but no longer the rakrent things. 17:07 Right 17:07 can't find coherent files in the directory it created. 17:07 I used "wget -rk --no-check-certificate https://web.archive.org/web/20180305120616/http://www.rakrent.com/rtsc/rtsc_startopia.htm" 17:08 but we can look at that tomorrow if you prefer, and are still willing. :) 17:09 Fully expected that to grab a ton of garbage, as long as what you want is in there somewhere 17:09 I could run around with a char in nethack and see if I can tweak the symbols 17:10 well, it's been going on for hours too, and looking for 17:10 'deck' which shoulud be in some text file, finds nothing 17:11 hm, search archives finds something 17:11 guess I have the files, but not linked 17:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:14 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14 does anyone know how to turn off the splicehack message of the day? 17:19 [hdf-us] [un] xelfe (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 396 points, T:927, killed by a bat 17:26 I'm looking at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Symset whre 'space' says "dark part of a room or solid rock", I'd like to line corridors with something that's not used for the rest of the black spaces, is that possible? 17:27 also says 'space' is air, hm 17:29 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 17:31 NH4 has a showrock option. 17:31 But it shows rock that you've seen, NOT just rock that lines corridors. 17:31 yeah, wouldn't want it to show rock I haven't seen 17:32 Which gets weird if you polyself into a xorn and phase through the rock, or if you use magic mapping, or clairvoyance. 17:32 does vanilla have the slex-style wallglyphs option? 17:32 hm 17:32 I'm not sure what the really correct solution is for this. 17:32 I don't know if I can use DUNGEON. 17:32 I wanted to like showrock so bad, when it was introduced, but I ended up turning it off. 17:36 the SYMBOLS=S_corr:\d035 thinks # is a d, SYMBOLS=S_corr:# works 17:40 -!- Tangles_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:40 Hekik: thanks for the tip about blessing stacks 17:41 no problem. How's the run going? 17:41 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 17:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 17:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:50 [hdf-us] [un] Hekik (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 217 points, T:547, killed by a sewer rat 18:00 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 18:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 18:02 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:02 -!- rouge_dude has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:03 -!- workimer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] StatueSurfer (Val Dwa Fem Law), 126161 points, T:20582, killed by a warhorse 18:08 whee, I found out how it works! 18:09 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:17 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:18 <@Puck> how 18:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Ozma777 (Pir Mer Fem Neu), 1013 points, T:1846, mowed down by a gnome 18:26 "The gnome wields a lawn mower!" 18:31 hehe 18:33 Mickmane: there are lots of people that write and pronounce it as june-nethack. :-) 18:33 regarding pronounciation, I'm also in team jew-nethack 18:33 <{Demo}2> yeah i pronounce it as the latter 18:33 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 18:34 I guess it's just me then. 18:34 Possibly because I didn't know what it meant and just read it as written. 18:35 that's not how English works :-} 18:35 now I'm hungry, hrmpf, just when I think I got the config figured out and wanted to see if I find a fountain to see what it looks like. 18:36 yeah, I notice that when I hear people say inevitable, for example 18:39 hah, went down a stair to see next level in case I fall down, grabbed some coins, and just as I went back up I noticed there was a fountain under the coins, whee! 18:40 it looks like I want, is why whee :) 18:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] lizardo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a guardian naga hatchling, on T:7477 18:52 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] lizardo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 10356 points, T:8449, killed by a white unicorn 18:59 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:07 [hdf-us] [4k] leox (zor) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the ghost of Naltrac, the former Knight, on T:900 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh343] Ozma777 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2040 points, T:1604, killed by a gnome, while praying 19:12 [hdf-us] [4k] leox (zor) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:1211 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1156 points, T:1201, killed by a dwarf 19:22 [hdf-us] [4k] leox (zor) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 12630 points, T:2061, killed by a gray unicorn 19:25 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] zor (Arc Hum Fem Law), 354 points, T:568, killed by a gnome 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] habib (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 343 points, T:1632, killed by a boulder 19:36 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 19:36 [hdf-us] [slex] Ozma777 (Dea Alc Fem Cha) averted death, on T:235 19:39 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:39 [hdf-us] [slex] Ozma777 (Dea Alc Fem Cha) killed Lilly, on T:312 19:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 64 points, T:134, killed by a fox 19:53 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] Glord (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 950 points, T:1826, killed by a giant bat 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] RedArrow (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 656 points, T:2343, killed by a hobgoblin 20:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] habib (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 957 points, T:3069, killed by a little dog, while praying 20:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh343] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 626 points, T:1153, killed by a sewer rat 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:54524 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh343] Glord (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:36, killed by an invisible water demon 20:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:54880 20:30 !who 20:30 K2: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] fcloud [nh363] ssnufd [nh363] waterbug [dnh] lizardo [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 20:43 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 20:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 20:57 firing up emacs' latest session completely freezes my system 20:57 nice 20:58 no idea what happened, should probably clear my sessions 20:59 <{Demo}2> maybe its god trying to tell u something 21:00 <@luxidream> !who 21:00 @luxidream: Message from Pinkbeast at 2019-05-29 16:15 EDT: Thanks for last night's bug reports. The one I thought was a vanilla bug isn't. They should both be fixed now (well, when CKO rebuilds overnight.) 21:00 @luxidream: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh363] fcloud [nh363] Luxidream [nh363] waterbug [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Numbgoon [slshm] 21:01 <@luxidream> anyone know how to color hitpointbar on hdf 363? 21:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:53970 21:30 <@shadowsapex> is dnh's ring of wishes rechargeable? 21:30 Nope 21:30 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2019-05-27 15:34 EDT: discord msgd a suggestino that was a bit long 21:31 <@shadowsapex> alright good to know 21:32 There should be a guaranteed candle of invocation in the Valley, so every game should have between 2 and 4 wishes. 21:34 <@luxidream> was the wand of wishing removed? 21:36 Yeah, the wand of wishing was removed in favour of the ring of wishes 21:43 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:57004 21:43 <@Puck> uuhhhh 21:43 <@Puck> gimme a min 21:44 <@Puck> OPTIONS=hitpointbar OPTIONS=hilite_status:hitpoints/100%/gray&normal OPTIONS=hilite_status:hitpoints/<100%/green&normal OPTIONS=hilite_status:hitpoints/<66%/yellow&normal OPTIONS=hilite_status:hitpoints/<50%/orange&normal OPTIONS=hilite_status:hitpoints/<33%/red&bold OPTIONS=hilite_status:hitpoints/<15%/red&inverse 21:45 <@Puck> thats what i got 21:47 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh4] Pedro (WHoZ) (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 23678 points, T:1474, killed by a jackal 21:59 Junethack: New user Valkyrie registered! https://junethack.net/user/Valkyrie 22:06 -!- Skylord_Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:35 [hdf-us] [un] WHoZ (Val Dwa Fem Law), 94 points, T:403, killed by a sewer rat 22:38 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 22:45 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 22:48 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 22:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 22:49 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 23:02 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:08 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 23:08 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:09 -!- Elronnd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:11 -!- Elronnd has joined #hardfought 23:19 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 23:48 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]