00:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41941 00:35 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 00:38 [hdf-us] [un] nutterbutter (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Mastergeehy on T:26874 00:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:42 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:43874 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:43878 00:54 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh4] eWZD12 (disbtopia) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 35924 points, T:7564, killed by a soldier ant 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:44854 01:01 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:45324 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh4] gWD1 (disbtopia) (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 17911 points, T:1243, killed by a Ms. Kalecik, the shopkeeper 01:11 [hdf-us] [un] nutterbutter (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Hebiwerie on T:27718 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] MHL (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1261 points, T:888, killed by a small mimic 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:45762 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:45774 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:45886 01:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) averted death, on T:45912 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] MHL (Arc Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 10 darts on an altar, on T:3907 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2350510 points, T:45913, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/StatueSurfer/nethack/dumplog/1558126485.nh.txt 01:46 ahhhh 01:58 congrats! 01:58 thanks 01:58 that would have been a such a horrible way to die... 02:06 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] MHL (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 2290 points, T:7130, killed by a werewolf 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 74650 points, T:13069, killed by a minotaur, while sleeping 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh4] gHeal4 (disbtopia) (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 30352 points, T:4355, killed by a hill orc 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] MHL (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1667 points, T:3014, killed by a giant ant 03:08 [hdf-us] [nh4] oWZ1 (disbtopia) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 22152 points, T:2000, killed by a brown mold 03:18 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 03:19 Hiya. :) 03:36 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:40 {Demo}2: you said something about ndnh not having the same bitfields as dnethack? 03:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3294 03:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:49 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 2266 points, T:5629, quit 03:50 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:53 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:09 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:10 [hdf-us] [nh4] hPR2 (disbtopia) (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 32839 points, T:4691, killed by a giant rat, while fainted from lack of food 04:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:43 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 04:46 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 06:23 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:17 I'll take it. 07:17 It'll help kill those imps. 07:19 that imp was a jerk 07:20 Also I am just cowering in the minetown temple trying to heal in between missing stuff with grays. 07:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5026 08:18 <{Demo}2> !tell bhaak currently it does although I intend to make changes in the prejnh version potentially. If I do I will do that in a reasonable amount of time before June and alert you of what those changes are. Actually I just realized there are some that are the same but have different names so I'm just gonna have to document that for you anyway. 08:18 bhaak shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, {Demo}2. 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:7131 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:7853 09:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> !ping 09:02 @Shin Umbygashima: Pong! 09:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> @mtf 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11479 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a gelatinous cube, on T:60583 09:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1258 09:21 [hdf-us] [nh4] gWZD2 (disbtopia) (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 16452 points, T:1210, killed by a Ms. Tsjernigof, the shopkeeper 09:26 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 09:27 Morning. :) 09:28 <{Demo}2> ugh 09:28 <{Demo}2> this is really bad 09:29 <{Demo}2> xlogfile achieve bits are gonna be no fun 09:29 <{Demo}2> so much stuff I'm gonna miss like apparently it assumes the only way to ascend is to be on astral 09:30 <{Demo}2> and the only way to have ever been in the planes is to still be there 09:30 are there other ways? 09:31 <{Demo}2> in ndnh, yes 09:31 oh cool, what ways are there? 09:31 <{Demo}2> play acu and then it is impossible to win the game without leaving Astral and the planes 09:31 acu? 09:32 well, you are busy, explain when you don't have to think about how to add it to junehack I guess it is? :) 09:33 <{Demo}2> acu is a really dumb role, u have to go to the future from the past to rescue ilsensine from the void to restore her empire after it fell before it could ever have fallen 09:35 wow 09:46 what are you trying to do? 09:46 bhaak: Message from {Demo}2 at 2019-05-19 08:18 EDT: currently it does although I intend to make changes in the prejnh version potentially. If I do I will do that in a reasonable amount of time before June and alert you of what those changes are. Actually I just realized there are some that are the same but have different names so I'm just gonna have to document that for you anyway. 09:47 don't change the meaning of existing bits of dnethack achieve encodings. that's a bitch to decode. not only for junethack but in general. you can't decode that without knowing what variant it is and sometimes even what exact git commit the code was at. 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh4] oWZD2 (disbtopia) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 26518 points, T:2572, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse 09:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh4] ePR2 (disbtopia) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 7308 points, T:680, killed by a wand 09:55 <{Demo}2> yeah I've researched it a bit. I will submit a probably working jnh pr at some point 09:56 <{Demo}2> lucifer is staying on 1, 9 keys and silver are getting disabled, not sure how to address the problem with sokoban now being lokoban 09:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Mon Inc Mal Neu), 14362 points, T:6142, killed by an ochre jelly 09:58 <{Demo}2> adding quite a few new bits in the dnethackachieve field 10:00 instead of adding new bits, make an achieveX field like SLEX does 10:00 <{Demo}2> that sounds like more work? 10:00 <{Demo}2> or wait maybe not 10:00 not really. look at encodeachieveX in SLEX' topten.c 10:00 <{Demo}2> won't that make xlogfile entries long as hell? 10:01 it's instead of bits you're making a string. 10:01 yes but who cares? unnethack records every killed unique in this way 10:02 [hdf-us] [fh] kaikias (anemoi) (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:27566 10:02 one game entry being 1024 bytes won't make K2's server run out of space before the heat death of the universe 10:03 <{Demo}2> yeah this is definitely a better way to do things 10:03 Going through friend activity on Steam, one bought a game where the description has me think, Amy! https://store.steampowered.com/app/862480/The_Spiral_Scouts/ "Join Remae, the newest member of the Spiral Scouts, on her slap-tastic puzzle solving adventure through a world of crazy characters and redonkulous realms. Experience a fartwarming tale of personal growth, self discovery, poop, wieners and butts." 10:08 Where is she anyway? 10:10 probably having an ESC hangover 10:10 ESC? 10:10 Eurovision Song Contest 10:10 oh, that, didn't know she watched that 10:11 I would be surprised if she didn't 10:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:13 Hi, hello. 10:13 hi 10:13 Hello Mickmane, Welcome to #hardfought 10:14 Got a bit of bad news at a bad times, so gonna be a bit sour for a good while. 10:14 Small brightside, I keep randomly happening upon floor 2 luckstones. 10:14 Hooray, Arcs. 10:16 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1740 points, T:492, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a spellbook 10:20 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 10548 points, T:1023, killed by a small mimic 10:21 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 15116 points, T:58, killed by a killer bee 10:21 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pir Mer Nbn Neu), 481 points, T:359, taken down by a dwarf 10:28 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 17454 points, T:811, killed by a small mimic 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh4] hPR5 (disbtopia) (Pri Hum Fem Law), 27873 points, T:2870, killed by a giant ant 10:32 Go teama! 10:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 26744 points, T:1645, killed by a rothe 10:39 Rough. 10:39 Probably got swarmed by winter wolves, too, rotten bastards. 10:39 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 23320 points, T:1536, killed by a gecko 10:46 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Con Vam Fem Cha), 134 points, T:429, killed by a fox, while fainted from lack of food 10:50 bhaak {Demo}2 sounds like what TNNT does also 10:51 to handle 200+ achievements 10:57 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 10:57 What up tonehack 10:59 Hi Umbire :) 10:59 How's it going. 11:02 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:02 Not bad. About to make some lunch and coffee then head to work 11:02 heya, missed you, LarienTelrunya 11:02 hi Mickmane. just came back from work. yesterday was hell, I was dead when I got home, but now I'm back among the living. 11:02 LarienTelrunya: Message from @luxidream at 2019-05-17 10:14 EDT: YANI: cuckatrice. monsters with seduction attacks grudge this monster, preventing you from having sex 11:03 whee. 11:03 today is sunday, when do you get a day off? 11:03 next sunday I'll not have a tour for once; the rest of next week I'll be on tour every day 11:03 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 38241 points, T:3843, killed by a bolt of lightning, while sleeping 11:04 ugh, I hope you get paid appropriately 11:04 @tonehack You enjoy that. 11:04 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7232 points, T:138, killed by a kobold 11:04 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1413 points, T:1279, killed by an orc-captain 11:05 Will do, thanks :) 11:09 Sure do love getting deepshafted past a fl8 Minetown and encountering a werewolf on the way back up. 11:09 At xl5 even. 11:09 awww 11:10 I found some games don't help when I'm grumpy. I've got a game on STeam that makes me smile. Battleship type of game, but with soo silly cute animations and sounds, I can't help but smile (Jolly Battle) 11:11 https://store.steampowered.com/app/824620/ 11:11 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 26356 points, T:1679, killed by a rothe 11:11 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:159, killed by a goblin 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:61542 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:61549 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:61562 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:61565 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:61638 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:61639 11:17 K2: that's not true. the tnnt achievements are implemented as 3 big bitfields. although the whole thing is one big enum, so it is not as bad as various small bitfields thrown all over the place in different variants 11:18 don't get me started on the broken xlogfile implementation of nethack4 11:18 ok 11:18 so now i want to add uniques being killed to evilhack's xlogfile 11:18 cant use unnethack's method its too different 11:19 I don't think so. it's quite generic. 11:19 look in src/mon.c - same way it handles medusa could be used for any unique 11:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2930 11:20 in evilhack? 11:20 yeah 11:20 splicehack already added a couple extra for some of its uniques 11:21 <{Demo}2> I'm just gonna add achieveX, track things internally the same way as before and that'll be good 11:22 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 11:22 Hi, Luxi. 11:23 is the bot down? 11:23 bhaak: so in theory you could track unique deaths of all the demon lord/princes, quest nemesis, quest leaders, etc 11:24 that'll be some typing though 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] DishOfTheDay (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3421 11:24 K2: I don't see how it is done in regards to Medusa differently than the standard xlogfile approach? 11:25 in 3.6.2 src/mon.c 11:25 if (mtmp->data == &mons[PM_MEDUSA] && !u.uachieve.killed_medusa) { 11:25 u.uachieve.killed_medusa = 1; 11:25 yes, that is it 11:25 that's not generic 11:25 then in src/topten.c 11:25 look under encodeachieve() 11:26 you could add as many as you like 11:26 yes. that's manual and error prone bit fiddling 11:26 is there a better way to do this for 3.6.2? 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh4] ePR11 (disbtopia) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 34191 points, T:4276, killed by a white unicorn 11:27 take the code from unnethack 11:27 it will output a new xlogfile field: killed_uniques=Aphrodite,Vlad the Impaler,One-eyed Sam,Oracle,high priest,Medusa 11:27 huh 11:28 look for killed_uniques in unnethack's topten.c 11:28 * K2 looks at unnethack code again 11:28 yeah I have your commit open 11:28 oh ... i think i see how to do this 11:28 by just copy-pasting the code :-} 11:29 hah 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:61815 11:29 i thought it would have been more involved than that given the structure is totally different between 3.4.3 and 3.6.x 11:29 but yeah i see it now 11:30 bhaak: remember, i still dont consider myself a programmer 11:30 easy things for a lot of you can take me hours to figure out, if at all 11:30 <--- self taught by brute force 11:30 sure. but then you shouldn't make claims of things you aren't sure about :-D 11:31 i made no such claim 11:31 "cant use unnethack's method its too different" 11:31 my problem, not yours ;) 11:31 but now yay \o/ 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:62020 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] DishOfTheDay (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:5251 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] DishOfTheDay (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 5296 points, T:5291, killed by a black unicorn 11:41 Mickmane: you still here? I can address your slex questions now if you want, and then I'll be afk for a while ;) 11:41 I am here 11:41 about cursed whistles: yes, they're less effective; magic whistles are like vanilla in that they fail and wake up monsters 50% of the time, tin whistles wake the entire level when cursed (slex-specific behavior) 11:42 I vaguely remember you saying 'whistle seems less effective' means it's cursed. 11:42 but when I dropped one such whistle, my pets didn't mind it. 11:42 btw, I made it to Sokoban, next to do is final level :) 11:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bar Hum Mal Cha) was given Cleaver, on T:5849 11:43 oh that... well it means that the whistle lost a BUC state; if it was blessed, it will now be uncursed 11:43 ah! 11:43 wow you're still alive? nice! 11:43 yeah 11:43 I'll lead this char to whatever end he'll see. 11:43 so the game still has a chance of persuading you to not dump it after that run ends :P 11:43 I had some super nymph pet in between, but she died to something. Also have a radioactive woman pet now 11:44 no, not while the most fun game is, in my eyes, so crippled, sorry. 11:44 most fun part of the game* 11:44 what? identifying your stuff is the most fun part??? wtf 11:44 getting loot and finding out what it is. 11:45 well you can still do that, it's just harder than in vanilla 11:45 it's just terribly tedious, and in part impossible to do without actuallly using it. 11:46 sitting in a room with my cat to test every armour and hat I find interesting, until I found all the cursed ones, instead of just dropping on an altar, is part of that. 11:46 well just drop them on an altar then? 11:46 the altar vanished 11:47 yeah that can happen with a 1 in 100 chance per item 11:47 1 in 500 if the altar belonged to an attended temple 11:47 shrug 11:47 just answering your question. :) 11:49 well you can still take them to the next altar then, which also has the benefit of identifying the BUC (in case the item later gets cursed) and training the spirituality skill for dropping stuff on altars 11:49 there's no next altar yet, and I wanted the stuff out of my inventory there in minetown. 11:49 and offering alternatives to what I find normall and fun, that are not fun to me, isn't changing it. 11:50 I'm just telling you why I don't want to play another char, not suggesting ot change things. 11:50 This irritated me about SLEX but IDK if that's just down to surprise 11:50 play style incompatible with the game, is all :) 11:50 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 41388 points, T:5118, killed by a hobgoblin 11:50 Mickmane: ah good, the "while my favorite part is crippled" sentence made me think you'd expect me to change it 11:50 no, it's just the way it is. 11:51 alright 11:51 still going over the log to see whether you said anything about slex... man the log is huge 11:51 Perhaps instead of being used up a given altar could only be willing to BUC certain sort of items? 11:51 yeah, I think I had a few questions, and some other things directed to you as Amy. 11:51 Pinkbeast: that would be even more awkward than the vanilla way! 11:52 in vanilla, you just have to cart your crap back to any altar; with that method, you'd have to remember for every item type which level has an altar that will BUC-test it! 11:52 Pinkbeast, for me, that wouldn't change things, plus there's stil the identifying that I find crippled. 11:52 oh, I read a certain amount. Certain sort would be like shopkeeper price-iding only a certain type of object 11:52 but that isn't in the game either. 11:53 LarienTelrunya: But would it be less awkward than the current SLEX way? (High enough spirituality skill could turn it off, so it would only be relevant in the early game with a limited supply of altars) 11:53 alright finally found some slex-specific thing in the chat again: Mickmane: izchak's not having a door can happen, as can shopkeepers spawning invisible ;) don't bump into them or they become hostile 11:53 yeah, I left his shop :) 11:53 Pinkbeast: naaaaah. You should be able to BUC-test your stuff at every altar. Imagine having the only altar that BUC-tests potions on level 2, and you find a potion of healing on 35 and want to make sure you don't waste a cursed one, what do you do? Walk aaaaaaaaall the way back? 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:62205 11:53 I'm sure I bought stuff earlier from him. 11:54 I'd put it in my pack and when I'm burdened or something, teleport back 11:54 LarienTelrunya: The skill change woud revert that, or later altars could be less coy. 11:54 I do that anyway, with a stash and the altar I make it near to, in normal games 11:54 Pinkbeast: why not make altars work properly in the first place then :P 11:55 disappearing altars 11:55 LarienTelrunya: Why not? But you didn't. 11:55 only you can answer that 11:55 I thought I was clever for teleporting and polymorphing sinks 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 3279915 points, T:62221, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1557979919.nh.txt 11:55 they do! they're just limited in use because otherwise you could forever find out all BUC as long as you have even a single altar you can return to 11:55 oh, I' take the sinks over those altars 11:55 congrats oh6! 11:55 LarienTelrunya, that's the point of an altar for me. 11:56 So I think the intention is to reduce the supply of BUC-id in the early game, where in vanilla it is infinite. My proposal does the same thing, but doesn't need you to carefully sort every object you have into priority for BUC-testing. 11:56 in a way, my altars make the game less tedious, because it means you don't have to constantly trek back to the dlvl2 altar if it's the only one you ever find - as soon as it disappears, you no longer have to make the trip :P 11:56 she's got a point though 11:57 I think the tedium of the priority sorting compensates for that. 11:57 you might cursing at the dev but you will not tediously cart stuff around :-D 11:57 thanks Mickmane! 11:57 LarienTelrunya, that makes it more tedious, because I have to use my pet, which takes a lot longer. 11:57 It's like getting the 51 items you most want to identify into inventory (in vanilla), but you have to do it a lot more 11:57 Mickmane: because you're used to the vanilla way of how altars work :P I'm aware that many of slex's changes might elicit reactions like "whaaaat, it's changed from vanilla, how DARE she!", but there's a reason why I made the change: to limit the availability of BUC identifying 11:58 I will cart stuff around 11:58 no, that's not my reaction. 11:58 also in slex you can carry a lot more before being burdened, so waiting to find another altar will be less bad than in vanilla 11:58 well, that's slex, as you say, I'm me. I won't change. 11:59 A bit of background info: I gave up on published books because they were not what I want to read, and wrote my own. 11:59 If I could program, I'd write my own game too. 11:59 yeah whatever, I'm just trying to explain why I made those changes 11:59 sure 12:00 btw, you don't like 36n, what do you not like about it? Just curious. :) 12:00 Also as Mickmane says, as long as pets provide infinite BU/C testing the effect of this altar change is limited. Optimally in SLEX now you'll never drop armour or weapons on an altar. In my proposal early altar-BUC is also limited, but dump your armour and weapons on just in case, by all means. 12:00 you can like them or not, but would you please stop slapping me in the face with the "I won't change my ways no matter what you do"? I got it, and repeatedly saying it seems a bit impolite 12:00 Pinkbeast: slex pets have a 1% chance of stepping on a cursed item without giving the reluctantly message :P 12:00 It's just the response to your 'It's slex, it won't change'. 12:01 LarienTelrunya: That just means pet-testing is even more vexing 12:01 Now you know how that feels. 12:01 Mickmane: That's ridiculous 12:01 Pinkbeast, no, it's true. 12:02 No, it's ridiculous. This whole "I played SLEX and it didn't work just like vanilla" position of yours is absurd. What on earth did you expect? 12:02 alright further going through the logs: stalking bulette I have no idea, the monster is from some variant; may or may not be a hamburger 12:02 Pinkbeast, I never said that. 12:03 changes in a variant you don't like? :o 12:03 preposterous! 12:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bar Hum Mal Cha) was given the Garnet Rod, on T:6922 12:04 oh and I guess in order to cool things down a bit: Mickmane: the reason I made slex? Because I wasn't satisfied with vanilla or any variants ;) so I decided to make my own. will we see a mickmanehack one day? *bundlebundlebundle* 12:04 hehe 12:05 Isn't that the reason why every variant dev makes a variant 12:05 in fact, whenever I play non-slex variants, I ended up cursing and swearing and getting banned from the channel at least once, so I guess in a way I can understand your reaction 12:05 I can't program, and get a headache trying to understand complicated things that aren't immediately obvious. 12:05 ouch :) 12:06 but I resolved to just not playing those anymore; I guess if slex is unsatisfying to you, it might in fact be better to close the book on it once you finish your char, although it hurts me to say that 12:07 yeah, I understand 12:08 that said, I did get a great deal of fun out of watching you play :) 12:08 what, with that uber speed, where immobile F would overtake me? :) 12:08 I was going to play more in a bit, just had breakfast. 12:09 huh? you mean you're playing slowly? I didn't notice; probably watched players who played much slower than you 12:09 oh, wow 12:09 there were some that played agonizingly slowly 12:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 16688 points, T:7312, killed by a gnome king 12:17 playing now, well, rolling a fag first. 12:17 and pouring coffee into cup again 12:17 bhaak: sent you a private message 12:18 LarienTelrunya, I still wonder if 'you have magic protection' means MR 12:18 Mickmane: where does it say that? enlightenment? "you are magic-protected" is magic resistance 12:19 LarienTelrunya, I have some inca ring that can nly be removed by some farting girl? does that work if I have one as pet? 12:19 yes, it said that in enlightenment 12:19 yes, #chat to her and she'll offer to remove it 12:19 was looking for MR from the condom... 12:19 Ok, guess I have to find one :) 12:19 nah the condom can't be it, those are never magical (or is it an artifact condom?) 12:19 yes, an artifact condom 12:19 really? name? 12:20 this status display bug is odd 12:20 also the in-game item description should probably say that it gives MC, if it does 12:20 "Artifact specs: Your penis gains magic resistance if you wear this, and your 12:20 remaining body does too." 12:20 I mounted my pony, and my status changed from "Burdened" to "Burd" 12:20 I wasn't sure whether to trust that 12:20 when I refreshed, it changed to "Ride" 12:20 heh, yeah it does indeed give MR 12:20 cool 12:20 and it also prevents STDs 12:20 yeah, it says that :) 12:21 Artifact condom? 12:21 not sure what STD incubus may supply (I assume the bit about sexual preferences lets me pick male or femlae?) 12:21 yeah 12:21 yes, when you encounter a foocubus for the first time, you can choose your preference 12:21 that's cool 12:21 LarienTelrunya: I never kicked! neither online nor offline! 12:22 [hdf-us] [un] TalentlessF2P (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 22510 points, T:12870, killed by a mountain centaur 12:22 however, the foocubuses might decide to **** you anyway even if your preference doesn't match :D 12:22 bhaak: yeah it was someone else who banned me 12:22 yeah, I expect they do that, that's the explanation in vanilla: they decide. 12:24 alright more backscroll: Mickmane: when you kicked that item to dislodge it in the shop, did it end up on the square at the door, i.e. the one that the shopkeeper normally blocks? That counts as outside the shop, so the shopkeeper correctly charged you for moving a shop-owned item out of the shop. 12:24 no, it landed in the shop, on the floor 12:25 huh. that's weird... normally that would cause you to be charged only if it somehow damaged the item 12:25 I had to pay for it, but when I picked it up it was its own unpaid 12:25 maybe he thought bits of meat had fallen off, or gotten dirty ;P 12:25 maybe there was another item of the same type that was unpaid? I can try to look at it in the ttyrec later 12:25 no, I'm sure it was the corpse. 12:26 my W pet picks up cursed items!? 12:26 <@mtf> sigh 12:26 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26 the radioactive woman is undead; she avoids blessed items instead of cursed ones 12:26 oh, cool 12:26 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:26 <@luxidream> why does it work fine in all the other channels 12:27 <@Pavel> and why does it magically start working once mtf shows up 12:27 I'll have to lock myself into a room with her and buc test all !c stuff 12:27 oh and about the farmland: it can't be crossed unless you fly or are polymorphed into a quadruped, but fire can burn it down, and #force can (rarely, need to try repeatedly) destroy it but costs mana to use 12:27 why is the farmland hard to cross? 12:28 I have no problems crossing farmland IRL 12:28 :D 12:28 I noticed I can ride onto it with my dragon 12:28 yeah because while riding the dragon, you can fly :) 12:28 so that was it 12:28 my pets had no problems with it whatever they were 12:28 it's hard to cross because of Yendorian nature preservation laws. Even a phasing character can't cross it - not due to physically being unable to cross it, but due to being bound by law :P 12:28 pets and monsters, on the other hand, don't care about such laws 12:28 but destroying it is OK 12:29 chaotics also don't care about laws ;P 12:29 so, how did this sokoban work again... /me starts thinking 12:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:30 I can link you the solution from nethackwiki, since it's a vanilla soko level :) 12:30 oh, I'm sure I solved it before 12:30 I do my thinking :) 12:32 heh just looking at the backscroll... there's seriously hardliners who defend vanilla's lack of paranoid water prompts??? 12:32 oh more slex backscroll: "It rattles noisily!" means there's a monster with MS_BONES (e.g. a skeleton) around; if you fail a saving throw, it paralyzes you for a bit 12:33 oh, scary 12:34 ok, I screwed up 12:35 well you can afford to waste two boulders on that level 12:35 I also found 2 coaligned unicorns on sokoban levels (different ones) and threw named gems at it 12:35 them* 12:36 do some of the gems disappear? I got back less than I threw when my pets killed the first, not sure about the 2nd. 12:36 yeah, the gems can randomly disappear so you can't just keep maxing out luck by killing unicorns and finding another :D 12:37 * LarienTelrunya wields a greased fireproof +5 nerf bat! 12:38 oh, one of my legs was blown off by an explosion. That heals, right? 12:38 yes, but it can take hundreds of turns 12:38 how long ago did it happen? 12:38 just now 12:38 ah, yeah it'll heal 12:39 does wand or scroll or potion of healing help? 12:39 potion of speed (if noncursed) will fix it, if you have one of those 12:40 hm 12:40 what do I do with a finalized potion of paralysis anyway? 12:40 throw it at Vlad the Impaler when he's below half health, so he doesn't read his scroll and randomly levelport to any level from 1-98 forcing you to look for him all over :P 12:40 don't know if any of my potions are speed 12:41 ah 12:41 (and yes, Vlad really does that if you don't kill him quickly) 12:42 ah I see you asked how long you can let the game be idle: 1 hour on the hardfought server, then it automatically closes and saves 12:42 oh, that's cool 12:43 would that void jumpgate actually have teleported me on sokoban? 12:43 huh, your message "The doll mistress wants nothing to do with you" got me stumped... had to check the source: it means that she was fleeing 12:44 yes, void jumpgates will teleport you on soko (or anywhere else really; they're meant as a teleport on no-teleport levels in particular, in case you somehow end up surrounded by undiggable walls) 12:45 oh a turkish bandit! #chat to make her remove the ring :D 12:45 cool! 12:46 you asked whether pets will e.g. use scrolls of healing: yes, they wll 12:46 *will 12:46 ah, so I guess the n used it 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3560 12:47 btw, thanks for the info :) 12:48 about eel-lizard corpses: yes, they do work like regular lizard corpses, and many other things that have "lizard" in their name do so too; chimera lizards are an exception, which you can recognize because they will rot away after a while 12:48 ah 12:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Pri Hlf Mal Neu), 1852 points, T:2373, killed by a rothe 12:48 I also ran into some monsters that convey stoning resistance, but eating them wouldn't be a good idea, would it? 12:49 if the description says "It can turn you to stone if you eat it", eating them isn't such a good idea 12:49 hehe 12:49 otherwise they'd be fine; in 99% of all cases, the petrification resistance gained from eating them would be temporary, and 1% you get really lucky and have it be permanent 12:50 same for acid resistance, which some corpses can also give 12:50 oh, that'd be cool 12:51 also apparently there was some confusion over eating a coaligned unicorn: yes, in slex it's fine to do so, just the act of personally killing it would penalize you (but your pets can kill it for you and then you can eat it just fine :D) 12:51 my pets killed it 12:52 thanks 12:52 I think the confusion came from someoen reading 'eat' and thinking 'sac' 12:53 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53 wth is some floor grue that I can't see but displaced appparently? 12:53 yeah saccing a unicorn of your own alignment can be very bad (but I don't know what happens if you sac it on another god's altar, maybe that would permaconvert you?) 12:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:53 the grue looks like floor :D 12:54 could be, yes 12:54 oh, huh 12:54 if you move into it, there's 50% chance of you attacking it and the remaining 50% you'll displace it 12:54 lol 12:54 ranged weapons or spells are usually effective on them 12:55 I used F 12:55