00:00 Just finished an epic game of Cogmind 00:00 you still doing the online poscasts? 00:00 podcasts 00:00 I've been doing youtube and twitch stuff 00:01 yeah twitch 00:01 I was on an episode of the Roguelike Radio podcast recently but that's the only time I've done an actual podcast 00:01 i meant twitch, to me its all the same 00:01 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3604 points, T:2507, killed by a mumak 00:01 Yeah, I assumed that's what you meant :P 00:02 Haven't streamed nethack much since TNNT unfortunately 00:02 I'll have to do some for junethack :) 00:02 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Con Vam Fem Cha), 6660 points, T:4970, killed by a watch captain, while praying 00:05 tonehack you should give evilhack a spin and stream it :P 00:05 it'll be a part of junethack this year 00:06 I haven't dipped into variants much but that could be fun 00:07 I was going to see if I could speed run it while the invocation was broken, but you fixed that bug quickly :P 00:07 well Tangles fixed it 00:07 i just introduced it :P 00:07 haha 00:08 i knew it was a good idea to not annouce evilhack yet 00:08 i am hoping to put 0.3.2 out this weekend 00:08 just working on a few more bugs 00:09 then i'll probably do the PR push 00:09 i don't think the zapm changes will be ready by junethack but i'll keep you tuned just in case 00:09 thanks winny 00:10 btw are we currently planning zapm for some trophies in junethack? I forget is that a thing lol 00:10 Ah, so it's still sort of in beta/testing 00:10 I've been following the buzz in here a bit, seems like people have been enjoying it :) 00:10 tonehack yeah 00:10 zapm was for devnull originally 00:11 oh I see 00:11 i dont think zapm has ever been a part of junethack 00:11 or the devnull tribute tourney, as far as hdf is concerned 00:11 right, that's just me mixing stuff up 00:11 heh 00:11 You got a trophy in the tourney for beating zapm 00:11 tourney? 00:11 They devnull tournament 00:12 cool 00:13 The* 00:14 tonehack: what's your twitch? i'll follow ya 00:15 twitch.tv/tonehack 00:15 <@Shin Umbygashima> Zapm? 00:16 thx, this'll help diversify my follows of mostly pubg players :x 00:16 It's an early version of PRIME, sort of 00:17 tbh i'm afraid to touch prime, after looking through the license fiasco 00:17 i don't understand how it even has a license 00:17 whoops wrong channel 00:18 I'm not familiar with the licensing issues 00:18 I've never played ZAPM or PRIME actually 00:18 <@luxidream> I think it was the wishless challenge 00:18 <@luxidream> during devnull tribute 00:19 that was the first bones in a while where I a) abruptly realized I should look out for whatever got the previous player and b) didn't die 00:19 i'm not a lawyer, but it seemed to me that since PRIME is derived from ZAPM, and ZAPM never had a license, PRIME can't just have a license covering its entire codebase (ZAPM code and their own changes) since they weren't the original copyright holder on the ZAPM source, unless they got permission, but didn't document in anyway? yikes, licensing is scary to think about 00:19 <@luxidream> I remember hating it and scumming until I picked up ridiculous gear in the first two floors 00:20 if this sounds like FUD, you are probably right, i'm not very certain of the accurate details 00:20 Didn't you take that challenge by accident or something, lux? 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3728 points, T:3129, killed by a dwarvish spear 00:21 winny: Ah, interesting 00:21 my research is incomplete and rushed, so i might be grossly wrong 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] DishOfTheDay (Val Hum Fem Neu) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed her unworthy, on T:2048 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] DishOfTheDay (Val Hum Fem Neu) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed her unworthy, on T:2050 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] DishOfTheDay (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1025 points, T:2051, quit 00:23 <@luxidream> wat 00:24 <@luxidream> tone I'm not sure. I think I took either grue or digdug by accident 00:24 <@luxidream> both of which are really annoying 00:24 I took the digdug challenge and ended up ascending two games without digging 00:26 yikes 00:26 I don't think I'd survive gehennom without digging 00:27 <@luxidream> that's why I just ended up quitting out of digdug after I inevitably failed the challenge 00:32 <@Togue the Toeist> what does this "HD" mean? 00:32 <@Togue the Toeist> appeared after i poly'd 00:32 Hit Dice 00:32 It's sort of how monster level is measured 00:32 <@Togue the Toeist> ooh 00:34 <@Togue the Toeist> how much energy do i need to do breath attacks? 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 215 points, T:1022, killed by a small mimic 00:39 <@shadowsapex> @Togue the Toeist 15 00:39 <@Togue the Toeist> thx 00:44 <@Shin Umbygashima> Lul 00:44 <@Shin Umbygashima> Reading up and someone got denied Excalibur twice and quit 00:44 <@Shin Umbygashima> I assume trying to dip too early? 00:44 <@luxidream> >Beu 00:45 <@Shin Umbygashima> Even better 00:45 <@Shin Umbygashima> :lul: 00:45 <@Shin Umbygashima> Someone oopsied their starting loadout 00:46 <@Shin Umbygashima> Still a bit funnier to imagine someone just throwing their whole sword in the third time and stomping away 00:46 * NCommander wanders in 00:48 See I dislike cheap deaths due to typo. paranoid_trap is a great feature in my book 00:52 <@Shin Umbygashima> Wew 01:06 -!- LovelyKittenz has joined #hardfought 01:06 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 01:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:06 -!- LovelyKittenz has quit [Client Quit] 01:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:21 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 01:26 [hdf-us] [slshm] disbtopia (Ran Dop Fem Cha), 638 points, T:1879, killed by a kitten 01:30 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:39 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:42 [hdf-us] [nh4] gWZD3 (disbtopia) (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 8853 points, T:700, killed by a Mr. Gomel, the shopkeeper 01:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9368 01:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh4] oWZD2 (disbtopia) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 19843 points, T:1807, killed by a Mr. Adjama, the shopkeeper 02:13 *grmbl* 02:14 instead of posting multiple times on Some Other Platforms, people should inform the devteam about possible bugs. 02:14 by Some Other Platforms you mean reddit? 02:14 sure 02:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:11069 02:39 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:44 strange - on Orcus' Lair, I see "galadriel-Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha, poisoned by Demogorgon" when I ^o , but I don't recall seeing a gravestone... 02:45 could be they died on a spot that can't leave one 02:45 eg. stairs 02:46 ic - in that case, would any l00t be left? or not? 02:46 I suspect not... 02:46 sure, it doesn't prevent all the other things that happen at death 02:47 I fought and killed Demo on < (along with Orcus), but I don't think I found any loot - I'll scour around anyhow - ty ^^ 02:48 oh - I'm fighting galadriel's ghost atm - l00t should be near ^^ 02:49 ah - mystery solved - it was on >, but I fought the pair on < 02:50 Stormbringer, Eyes of the Overworld - I'll take em ^^ 02:51 <@Shin Umbygashima> Nice™ 02:51 <@Shin Umbygashima> Better uncurse 'em to be safe 02:52 ya - and a cursed BoH that I can't lift - lost a magic lamp when I opened it - lessee if I can get the magic marker 02:55 Eyes are intelligent, but I'm Chaotic - Stormbringer's enuf ^^ 03:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> Can't lift? 03:02 nope 03:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> Like, does it super encumber? 03:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> Or physically can't lift 03:02 like slips from hands 03:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> Fuck, is it greased, too? 03:03 <@Shin Umbygashima> Was gonna suggest a #tip 03:03 rofl 03:03 <@Shin Umbygashima> Will cancelling the bag kill the contents? 03:03 oops - I was talking about the Eyes of the Overlord 03:03 good quest 03:03 btw, can I #tip while it's on the ground? 03:03 good question, I meant 03:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> No, you have to have it on you 03:04 yeah - that's what I thought - I couldn't lift up the BoH 03:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> Even if it's like Overloaded you should be able to #tip it if you can pick it up 03:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> Try again after you drop everything else 03:04 but no matter - I already have my ascension kit - that l00t just made it kit++ 03:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> (Assuming it's remotely safe to) 03:05 <@Shin Umbygashima> Oh np 03:05 <@Shin Umbygashima> I just hate to leave graves unlooted 03:05 rather than a MB - a stormbringer is an upgrade - the rest didn't matter that much 03:05 (+5 cornuthaum - extremely helpful this game, boosted to +6 helm of brilliance) 03:05 I was omw to Rodney when I saw the note on ^o 03:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] MHL (Arc Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of buckled boots on an altar, on T:3042 03:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] MHL (Arc Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3329 03:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:11 ...and I thought the Orcist gift was a waste (it turned out to unlock broadsword/Stormbringer)... 03:14 <@Shin Umbygashima> Pog 03:15 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:42986 03:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:42988 03:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:43151 03:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:43250 03:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:43254 03:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 03:32 <@Shin Umbygashima> Go Team Eraser! 03:32 ^^ 03:34 !lastgame eraserhead97 03:34 StatueSurfer: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/nethack/dumplog/1558035157.nh.txt 03:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 105 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:43724 03:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:46375 03:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] MHL (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1902 points, T:6536, killed by a rabid rat 03:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46710 03:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:44294 03:50 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:52 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 03:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:44955 03:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:44956 03:53 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:54 Morning. :) 03:55 hi there 03:57 hey 03:57 Hello StatueSurfer, Welcome to #hardfought 03:57 thank you beholder 03:57 Beholder doesn't like me. ;P 03:58 is there a way to turn off all the flashing special effects on the planes - it's slowing me down 03:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] MHL (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 598 points, T:1999, killed by a giant rat 03:59 there is, let me find it. 03:59 what flashing special effects 03:59 nm - I'll just blindfold myself ^^ 03:59 and isn't it the sparkle option 04:00 ya - that's it - lemme look for it 04:00 try OPTIONS=!sparkle 04:00 soon we'll have the answer to the question "can i cross medusa's with 3 scrolls of earth 04:00 someone was faster 04:00 ah - worked great - ty ^^ 04:00 nice 04:01 good luck statuesurfer :) 04:01 what's really funny is that i ended taming 3 electric eels with a magic harp 04:02 hehe 04:06 i've forged a path across medusa's! 04:06 yay! 04:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:45228 04:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:15213 04:09 is killing medusa really worth announcing 04:09 It tells us where you are in the game 04:09 strike one 04:10 that's fair 04:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:45282 04:11 strike two :) 04:12 if I were awake I'd watch 04:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:45296 04:13 <@Shin Umbygashima> That's showin' 'em, War 04:13 <@Shin Umbygashima> :PogChamp: 04:13 wtf - didn't pay attention to illness 8^P 04:13 wth? 04:13 boy maze levels sure are fun huh!!! 04:13 YASD 04:13 did you just YASD on astral 04:13 are you serious 04:13 I just opened the window on the dywypi, with illness on the line above 04:13 ya - it's late 04:14 aw man 04:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 840337 points, T:45310, poisoned by Pestilence (with the Amulet) 04:14 * StatueSurfer shakes his head in disappointment 04:14 no biggie 04:15 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:18 <@Shin Umbygashima> GAME OVER YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH 04:19 <@Shin Umbygashima> Fucking RIP, man 04:33 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:36 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 04:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:16975 04:37 [hdf-us] [nh4] ePR5 (disbtopia) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 39274 points, T:7557, killed by a guardian naga, while paralyzed by a monster's touch 04:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "The blessed Master Key of Thievery", on T:16975 04:38 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:07 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:32 looks like evil zombies are really not to be messed with. :) 05:32 zombified by an elenmirie zombie 05:33 that's what the next adventurer will get. 05:33 It looks like she already had. 05:34 yes they get you pretty good 05:34 won't leave bones though, it was only DL2 05:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:36 ah 05:37 [hdf-us] [nh4] hWZD3 (disbtopia) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 33654 points, T:5270, killed by a killer bee, while praying 05:50 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 06:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] hilliance (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:39862 06:14 [hdf-us] [dyn] JoeMcJoe (taterbizkit) (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2587 points, T:1361, killed by a dagger 06:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Center of All, on T:54676 07:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 250 points, T:2450, killed by a giant bat 07:22 [hdf-us] [nh4] ePR31 (disbtopia) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 26062 points, T:2395, killed by a rock mole 07:42 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 07:42 <{Demo}2> why do monk gods give body armor? 07:44 They're monkey gods. 07:49 because they're jerks 07:50 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 07:58 <{Demo}2> a fiendish devil 08:08 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:15 -!- j has joined #hardfought 08:15 -!- j is now known as rebatela 08:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a gnome corpse, on T:3359 08:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:23 <{Demo}2> hmm I'm at an impass with symbiote race to the point where I might need to jump a wizard that knows and hope they are feeling generous 08:24 <{Demo}2> although I just remembered something that might make the problem not what I think 08:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3861 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5181 points, T:4184, killed by a gnomish wizard 08:47 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 08:48 Morning. again. :) 08:59 morning 08:59 <{Demo}2> good morning 08:59 Good full moon 08:59 <{Demo}2> !pom 08:59 {Demo}2: The moon is full for 2 more days. 08:59 <{Demo}2> wow 08:59 full moon is +1 luck? 09:00 +1 base luck. 09:00 So you can start throne sitting right off the bat. 09:00 mickmane: you in the states? 09:00 no, it's 3pm here 09:00 word 09:00 I forgot what's weird with throne sitting, I did it in ruggo's in slex anyway. 09:00 <{Demo}2> I kind of want to add ruggo to ndnh 09:01 I've never seen one in Slex yet 09:01 I was up earlier and said morning already, but then got tired again and went back to bed 09:01 <{Demo}2> but as just a mines end roamer 09:01 <{Demo}2> that is intended to guard his lucky stones 09:01 Is he rugged? 09:02 <{Demo}2> I dunno ruggo isn't that interesting actually 09:02 haha well that's why i asked. It actually IS morning here (boston) 09:02 I don't remember seeing him either, but my pets kill stuff for me. 09:02 <{Demo}2> he's lame and there's nothing interesting about him 09:15 can it be anything else than reflection in evil> 09:15 ? 09:16 probably the ol' amulet of nothing 09:16 silver amulet of instadeath 09:17 heh 09:17 it can be flying 09:17 but mine is reflection 09:17 nice 09:17 And also silver 09:17 Fitting 09:19 <{Demo}2> silver shield of flying 09:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:17, killed by a falling rock 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2024 points, T:2308, quit 09:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 435 points, T:1677, killed by a gnome lord 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 169 points, T:850, killed by a bat 10:05 dtype: the dump for the links on https://alt.org/nethack/top-3.6.2.php don't work. 10:05 dtype: they point to https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/antalsz/1557559207.nh362.txt but the dumplog is actually at https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/antalsz/1557559207.nh362dev.txt 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11982 points, T:10093, killed by a barrow wight, while sleeping 10:24 YANI: add the Lost Orb of Phantasmagoria and/or the Orb of Zot as artifact crystal balls that can (rarely) be randomly generated, or can be wished for. (The Orb of Zot grants aggravate monster when carried. So useful. The Lost Orb should probably grant energy regeneration. Both should be very valuable; but neither is intended to be competitive with other artifacts really.) 10:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:25 what's useful about aggravate monster, or was that sarcasm? 10:25 orb of zot is the crawl thing to rescue, right? 10:25 if you are sackfesting? 10:25 maybe that should instead be a fake portable altar 10:26 why, does it have monsters come to you? 10:27 I'd like a fake portable altar to nemelex xobeh (I think was his name), which is basically a vacuum cleaner. :) 10:28 Nemelex hasn't done that for many years FWIW 10:28 with infinite suction ability, but that's because everything you suck up goes into a parallel dimension and is forever gone 10:28 he hasn't done what for many years? 10:28 Nemelex isn't an "he", and had portable altars or consumed items 10:29 aggravate monster? yes, that's one of its features. waking up sleeping monsters is usually not an issue in nethac 10:29 I knew they screwed up Crawl, but that badly. So sad. 10:29 Because getting rid of boring and repetitive activity is obviously terrible and completely inconsistent with Crawl's design philosophy 10:30 boring is subjective. I like leaving a clean dungeon. the altar helped with that. 10:31 is your OCD diagnosed? 10:31 Chuck everything into blue lava somewhere if it bothers you 10:31 insults aren't going to prove your point. :( 10:32 that was not susposed to be insulting 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law), 499 points, T:1711, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:32 what, saying your prefered play style is caused by a mental disorder that needs treatment is not meant to be insulting? 10:33 -!- Mickmane has left #hardfought 10:33 has that hit to close to home? 10:36 bhaak: in the English speaking world, implying that somebody has a mental health condition is ipso facto insulting, unless you are a mental health professional and they've come to you for help. 10:38 And yes, it's a bit odd to be so touchy about that, when we're very notably non-touchy about some other things. 10:38 But you know, culture. 10:39 we weren't yet at the stage of deciding if this needed treatment. not playing crawl when you are a nethack person might be sufficient 10:40 My excuse for not playing Crawl is that I can't figure out how to tell the difference between dangerous and non-dangerous situations. 10:41 dangerous: you can see a monster :-) 10:41 ... I see. 10:42 These days the monster names in the list are coloured based on approximate difficulty and grey monsters usually aren't dangerous 10:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:43 I just find Angband more accessible. Easier to learn and get into. 10:44 I did have an Angband win after they added no_selling, and the game is much improved, but I'm not sure I want another one 10:46 my last angband-ish games were playing Moria ~30 years ago, if you ignore a mangband weekend 10 years ago. 10:49 I have never overcome the feeling of it being a very generic fantasy roguelike 10:49 the cult of monster memory had me confused but I guess I'm missing game experience to understand that 10:49 I rather like the monster memory 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2736 10:55 The monster memory strikes me as a sensible compromise between DCSS-style "you could just look this up in the source so we're going to tell you it" and NetHack "we're telling you nothing, so in practice you'll look it up in the source" 10:56 but over time it will become DCSS-style anyway 10:57 Sure, but you found that stuff out yourself 11:00 but you still could look it up anyway before learning it by fighting them 11:00 or do you even gather information about them without killing monsters? 11:01 You gather some information by seeing them do things, some by killing. And you _could_ look it up (and there is an option just to cheatily fill it out), but in practice in Angband I find I populate the monster memory and this is an enjoyable part of the game, whereas in NetHack and DCSS alike I'm just spoiled straight up. 11:04 I have to take your word for it and I have no reason not to believe you that you find it enjoyable. :-) 11:05 but vanilla angband hasn't significantly more monsters than nethack. I would have guessed that it would be more applicable to a game like slex, where you are swamped with unknown monsters 11:05 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 11:07 I think it would work better with more monsters (and in practice now I'm familiar with the Angband bestiary) - better yet with randuniques, but that doesn't exist yet 11:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a forest centaur, on T:4560 11:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 6654 points, T:4560, quit 11:13 it's one of those things useful for new players. i think nethack has so many non-monster killers that a monster memory won't help newbies that much 11:16 hi 11:16 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 11:16 lo 11:16 <{Demo}2> hey 11:16 Hello {Demo}2, Welcome to #hardfought 11:16 aloha 11:16 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 11:16 ah, a tourist 11:17 paxed: we did some more testing with the statuses not appearing everytime on the botl (this is from that last bug report I sent to the devteam) 11:17 Tangles can reproduce it with a stock vanilla build 11:17 well, good. finally some more info on it 11:17 so its not something we did with 362-hdf 11:18 i was going a lil crazy last night trying to figure out what we did hah 11:18 it would be nice to have instructions on how to reproduce it reliably 11:18 * K2 is typing that 11:18 good :) 11:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:19 grab a ring of levitation. put it on/off repeatedly. you can reproduce it that way 11:19 can also di it by picking up something that burdens you, then drop it. rinse repeat 11:19 eventually the status will not reappear 11:20 or ride/dismount 11:20 you get the idea 11:21 so, just repeating it ... 11:22 right 11:23 if the condition keeps happening within a short amount of turns 11:23 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:23 i wonder if it happens if you get to do that within the same turn. we'll see 11:24 ok 11:24 if *you* can reproduce it then I can check myself out of this mental hospital 11:25 trying 11:31 yeah 11:32 can repro 11:33 that sounds like a really strange bug 11:33 is that concerning the tty windowport? 11:34 and/or curses 11:34 well, i'm betting it affects all windowports because it has to do with status line updates. 11:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 12 points, T:302, killed by a jackal 11:37 \o/ 11:37 * K2 checks himself out of the mental hospital 11:38 stenno: i never saw that bug express itself in tty mode + statuslines: 3 nor curses mode 11:38 but thats not to say it doesnt exist in those modes 11:54 -!- spontiff has quit [] 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 521 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:49364 12:01 compile compile compile compile, I swear I'm going to quit and become a robotfindskitten variant developer 12:01 insert git bisect in between 12:02 I'm writing exciting new bugs, not looking for boring old ones 12:02 pfft 12:03 and i need to find couple days to read the hugo 2019 noms i haven't read yet 12:03 I've done the novelettes and er 12:04 i've only read Space Opera 12:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:05 and i hate that the Revenant Gun and Record of a Spaceborn Few aren't the first ones in their series, ugh 12:06 I've read the other two Chambers for previous Hugos (& likewise all the Yoon-Ha Lee but I was going to read those anyway) 12:07 often the second in a series is the best anyway :-) 12:07 i haven't, so, uhh... 12:07 The second Chambers was pretty self-contained, I read that first 12:08 (so if you're going to try skipping someone, I'd read the 3rd Chambers) 12:09 * Pinkbeast counts two bugs, one silly and one "no, you're not writing Perl" 12:10 foo if (bar); 12:10 Exactly :-( 12:11 i code perl at work, sooo i can relate 12:11 I find that much clearer than if (bar) foo; 12:11 well, the latter is painful in perl only because it requires braces 12:11 DCSS loves "if (bar)\nvery long statement foo;" to the point of forbidding you to put braces around it, which I hate 12:12 I only want no braces if "if (bar)" and "foo" fit on one line 12:13 <@Togue the Toeist> Whats that statusline:3 thingy? 12:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Elf-Ran Elf Mal Cha) was given Hammerfeet, on T:9624 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 195 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:50568 12:17 K2: found it 12:19 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:20 <@luxidream> there's a quite a bit DCSS doesn't tell you, like the unnecessarily complicated damage formula and what exactly ##### of spellpower actually means 12:20 <@luxidream> damage ranges for enemy spells too 12:21 What exactly ##### of spellpower means is alas quite a hard question to answer 12:21 <@luxidream> This spell hurls a lethally sharp bolt of crystal. 12:21 <@luxidream> thanks crawl, very informative 12:23 And in general in these cases there's no objection to the idea that the game _should_ tell you, it just doesn't because no-one's done it yet 12:24 i like in the crawl interface that it shows which enemy is which 12:24 so in nethack you have 3 gnomes and you read 'the gnome picks up a wand of death' and you don't know which of the fucking gnomes it was 12:25 iirc thats more transparent in crawl 12:25 <@luxidream> yeah it tells you what enemies are holding 12:25 how does crawl do the distinguishing? 12:25 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 12:26 paxed: You can examine enemies to see what they are holding (and if a monster is known to have at least one wand, you're told) 12:26 <@luxidream> if you farlook an enemy it'll tell you like "Ijyb, wearing a +0 leather armor and carrying a wand of acid" 12:26 ah 12:26 a +0 leather armour> this is a recent change to identify monster inventories on-sight which I personally hate and aren't going to accept 12:27 <@luxidream> isn't it a move to get rid of the ID game? 12:27 <@luxidream> which is kind of brain dead in crawl anyway 12:27 Yes. Now, I like the ID game, but I wish vanilla could make up their mind if they're removing it or not, rather than just nibbling away at it piece by piece 12:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Elf-Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:11382 12:28 i like it too 12:28 paxed: awesome! what was it? 12:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 18866 points, T:11414, killed by a small aklys 12:29 don't you use linters for perl too? 12:29 i thought that is a must in scripting languaes 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:51393 12:30 oh apparently perl::critic is something like that 12:32 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 12:32 K2: just one of those statuslines improvement commits... i'm not sure what it did, didn't bother looking that closely 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51553 12:35 glad you found it 12:35 git bisect ftw 12:35 ;) 12:35 i tried to find it and got a headache for my efforts heh 12:35