00:05 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 00:11 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:43655 00:13 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided vorpal jabberwocks dungeon wide on T:44479 00:24 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Durin's Bane, on T:48022 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 174 points, T:765, killed by a dagger 00:33 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:50231 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1008 points, T:1774, killed by a rothe 00:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:01 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided arch-liches dungeon wide on T:53429 01:01 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided master liches dungeon wide on T:53430 01:01 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayers dungeon wide on T:53430 01:02 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided mind flayers dungeon wide on T:53458 01:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:09 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:53970 01:11 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:54320 01:13 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:54800 01:13 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:14 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:55204 01:17 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55673 01:19 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:55955 01:19 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 01:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] mirolee (Bin Dro Fem Non), 31718 points, T:11716, killed by an invisible stalker 01:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] mirolee (Bin Dro Fem Non), 0 points, T:25, killed by a goblin 01:22 <@luxidream> The weeping angel is staring at the weeping angel. β”‚The weeping angel and the weeping angel are permanently quantum-locked! 01:23 <@luxidream> You see here a statue of a weeping angel. 01:30 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:57978 01:30 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:57987 01:34 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58423 01:37 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Cthulhu, on T:58608 01:39 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:39 [hdf-us] [fh] kaikias (anemoi) (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 orange dragon scale mail", on T:2452 01:40 -!- Xaleth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:46 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:60363 01:48 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:60564 01:49 [hdf-us] [un] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1261198 points, T:60591, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/unnethack/dumplog/1558057946.un.txt.html 01:54 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:57 -!- MaryHadalittle has joined #hardfought 01:58 [hdf-us] [un] nutterbutter (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed the ghost of NCommander, the former Field Worker, on T:9554 01:59 <@luxidream> !tell bhaak your autounlock prioritizes credit cards over keys 01:59 I'm on it, @luxidream. 02:00 <@luxidream> !tell bhaak is there any point to the weeping angel levelport attack besides to mildly annoy the player 02:00 bhaak shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @luxidream. 02:01 lol the weeping angels are the anti-fun squad, they spawn everywhere, take ages to kill, and produce endless amounts of battle spam :P 02:01 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2019-05-16 18:26 EDT: I'm considering it - if it's gonna be a lot of work than I'm good tho lol, I may try to do it once I finish homework this wk 02:01 "The weeping angel is zapping wand of digging!" 02:01 <@luxidream> if you use conflict they petrify each other 02:01 <@luxidream> it's funny 02:02 *sigh* 02:02 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/bpiz4b/bones_wont_load_when_pet_fell_to_the_next_floor/ 02:03 <@luxidream> false information on reddit 02:03 <@luxidream> what's new? 02:18 -!- Andrio has quit [Quit: while already on Charon's boat.] 02:19 -!- Xaleth_ has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 02:26 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 02:31 !tell @riker request for discord maintainer: a way to see who is actually in a channel :P 02:31 @riker shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, LarienTelrunya. 02:32 <@luxidream> do you really want to see literally everyone who is online on the roguelikes discord? 02:33 nah, the discordians should be able to see who is online on the irc so they don't constantly have to ask "is here?" 02:34 of course I wouldn't want to see a list of the 4000 discordians connected to this channel, at least not here on the IRC side :P 02:35 !tell Mickmane your cat probably didn't really drown, monsters have a rather high chance of simply teleporting to an empty location instead 02:35 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:36 You drop a tin of bat meat. You feel wise! 02:36 that is wise 02:36 yes! 02:36 what's much stranger is when you quaff from a fountain and feel wise... 02:37 it's not as if I'm going to eat it, and feeding tins to the cat hasn't been implemented 02:37 <@luxidream> it's actually 1300 discordians 02:37 "You take a drink from the fountain. You feel wise!" really? 02:37 (which is probably making nethack cats very sad) 02:37 !tell Mickmane the command is: @le?jennifer machine infantry. also why do you keep complaining about the lack of price identification, I'm not going to re-add that :P you got too used to having it available in vanilla, which isn't good preparation for a variant where it doesn't exist! 02:37 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:37 what do y'all think of my idea for my eventual variant 02:37 where i make Nom 15 floors 02:38 <@luxidream> supposedly the DYWYPI screen exercises wisdom 02:38 <@luxidream> due to it being item identification 02:38 StatueSurfer: yaaaaaaay you're going to make a statuesurferhack variant? do you have a github repo? 02:38 well 02:38 not right now 02:38 not making one just yet 02:38 aww 02:38 <@luxidream> make Nom 1 floor with all the demon lords in the middle 02:38 * LarienTelrunya always wants to see new variants that add new stuff so she can steal it for slex :D 02:39 what do you think of 3 wizards tower/1 wizard entrance/9 demon lords&princes/1 vibrating square/1 sanctum being Nom's structure 02:39 for a total of 15 floors 02:39 (sadly, few, if any, variants ever add new monsters and those that do usually only add a handful) 02:39 shorter but more intense 02:39 <@luxidream> 9? 02:39 including the diabolical inclusion of sinks on levels with lava 02:39 yeah 02:39 for the 9 circles of hell 02:40 <@luxidream> Juiblex Yeenoghu Orcus GeryonDispater & Baalzebub & Asmodeus & Demogorgon 02:40 <@luxidream> oops 02:40 looks like i'll have to add one 02:40 <@luxidream> but anyway that's 8 02:40 <@luxidream> who are you adding? buer? mephisto? 02:40 i'm thinking leviathan 02:40 who expects an ice covered hell level 02:41 add lamashtu :D 02:41 <@luxidream> how about Antaeus 02:41 fighting lamashtu is "fun" because she'll teleport your gear out of your inventory 02:41 yeah that kind of slex-style BS is not happening 02:42 <@luxidream> he's the ruler of the ice hell in DCSS 02:42 StatueSurfer: lol you just called a dnethack feature "slex-style" :P 02:42 <@luxidream> of course you'll have to expand on him a bit more than "fat sack of HP that occasionally casts flash freeze" 02:42 it sounds like something from slex 02:42 does that mean dnethack and slex are more similar to each other than we thought? 02:43 i've never played dnh 02:43 <@luxidream> well the player also has ways to deal with ridiculous threats in dnh 02:43 so basically dnh is just insane power creep: the variant? 02:44 <@luxidream> the power curve is insane, yes 02:44 i'm going to try to rebalance some features of nethack when i make my variant 02:44 <@luxidream> grayswandir is a pretty mediocre weapon 02:44 <@luxidream> for perspective 02:44 like making horns and drums not send legendary demons fleeing for their lives 02:45 <@luxidream> they don't 02:45 <@luxidream> it's an MR check 02:45 <@luxidream> so demogorgon and the like will resist 02:45 so, they do sometimes 02:45 <@luxidream> @? demogorgon 02:45 Demogorgon (&) | Lvl: 106 | Diff: 57 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 95 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 8d6 cast spell, 1d4 sting level drain, 1d6 claw disease, 1d6 claw disease | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 02:45 Well, most of the time. 02:45 ah 02:45 <@luxidream> MR 95 level 1056 02:45 <@luxidream> you're not getting past that really 02:46 Demogorgon isn't quite that high level 02:46 but yeah, it should be high enough. 02:46 <@luxidream> @?asmodeus 02:46 Asmodeus (&) | Lvl: 105 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -7 | Attacks: 4d4 claw physical, 6d6 cast cold | Alignment: 20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 02:46 still it's sort of ridiculous that an archon for example could be sent running by somebody banging a drum 02:47 <@luxidream> @?archon 02:47 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -6 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 02:47 <@luxidream> still pretty unlikely, but it happens sometimes 02:47 when i ascended it was crazy how helpful the tooled horn was 02:47 <@luxidream> it tends to be more helpful in places like the plane of air 02:48 <@luxidream> but yeah it's pretty broken 02:48 yeah that was where i really noticed it 02:48 <@luxidream> because 02:48 <@luxidream> @?air elemental 02:48 air elemental (E) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 36 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: sheol gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 1d10 engulf physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, mindless, unsolid, vegan 02:48 *guy blows horn* "OH CRAP RUN" 02:48 <@luxidream> MR 30 02:48 yep :) 02:49 thinking also making demon lords and princes immune to scrolls of scare monster 02:49 <@luxidream> un already does ths 02:49 <@luxidream> also quest nemeses 02:49 not surprised 02:50 <@luxidream> you should also nerf unicorns horns 02:50 yeah 02:50 but i'm still thinking of the best way to do that 02:50 most methods i can think of/have seen seem either too lenient or too harsh 02:50 <@luxidream> I think the simplest solution is best: that they don't restore abilities 02:51 yeah that'd be pretty good 02:51 what if they also always lost blessed status when used 02:51 *used successfully 02:52 well no that seems kinda dumb 02:52 <@luxidream> I think that's been discussed 02:52 <@luxidream> it would incentivize carrying around several blessed horns 02:52 <@luxidream> which is not a great solution 02:53 <@luxidream> this is also why I don't like fourk's solution, it also encourages you to carry around a lot of horns 02:53 i'm definitely going come up with some tougher monsters for Nom 02:53 and i'll try to utilize acid damage 02:54 <@luxidream> caustic shrike for nethack 02:55 <@luxidream> one thing to do to increase challenge is just removing mazes 02:55 <@luxidream> you'd be surprised how much harder it is to fight in the open 02:55 yeah i could see that 02:56 i mean was sort of planning that with at least some of the special levels 02:56 or some ridiculous level covered with a maze of iron bars 02:57 Some of the big rooms are like that, right? 02:57 oh god there's more than enough variants already where unihorns don't restore stats... how about nerfing them in an interesting way instead ;) 02:57 <@luxidream> and I think prepared players should still have an easier time in gehennom. I don't like the crawl approach that challenges "every character" by adding tons of unresistable damage and things that halve your HP 02:57 like your disenchantment 02:57 and there's also one variant where they lose BUC all the damn time 02:58 i.e. blessing the horn in fourk is a complete waste of time because after a few uses it'll no longer be blessed and require another holy water 02:58 slex disenchants unihorns doesn't it 02:58 which i think was carried over from slashem? 02:58 <@luxidream> fourk disenchants them 02:58 StatueSurfer: fourk disenchants unihorns whenever they restore stats; in slex they have a small chance of losing enchantment, or crumbling if they were +0 02:58 ah 02:59 <@luxidream> however fourk lets them reach -5 02:59 <@luxidream> which lets me cheese the system with a cancelwand 02:59 okay yeah then blocking stat restoration sounds like the best thing to do 02:59 in fourk there's also no way to say "hey, here, I want to cure this stun, I don't care about that one point of dexterity I lost!", noooo, it can decide to cure the dexterity loss first 02:59 <@luxidream> still annoying though 02:59 e 03:00 <@luxidream> just look at a lot of xnethack changes to be honest 03:01 <@luxidream> there's quite a few balance considerations there, even if you might not agree with all of them 03:01 <@luxidream> which I don't 03:02 @Luxidream: what does xnh do to unihorns? when I last played xnh it was an early version so those changes might not have been in yet 03:02 hmm the quest level drop seems nice 03:03 does it do something that's more interesting than "nyah-nyah, you simply can't cure stat loss with the horn so your dexterity will forever suffer because you may never be satiated"? 03:03 <@luxidream> a lot of variants do that 03:03 i'm usually at XL 10-11 when i reach the quest portal 03:03 <@luxidream> does a solution have to be interesting to you to be good? 03:03 ...have you ever *played* slex? 03:04 @Luxidream: ideally the solution should enhance gameplay and not force the player to do tedious chores; if you can't restore the stats at all, it means you have to very carefully manage your nutrition and never be satiated or your dexterity will drop constantly (in vanilla you'd just unihorn the lost points back up) 03:04 <@shadowsapex> just remove dexterity abuse by satiation 03:05 you could carry a couple restore ability potions around 03:05 <@luxidream> LarienTelrunya: you could pray to restore abilities with a bit of positive luck 03:05 <@luxidream> this is easy 03:05 <@luxidream> this also assumes that dexterity is a relevant stat 03:05 cripes! what's my atheist char going to do? 03:05 i definitely agree with getting rid of amnesia and the mysterious force 03:05 see: carry a couple restore ability potions around 03:05 <@luxidream> dexterity 8-14 is literally the same 03:06 well I could carry them around if I had carry capacity, but vanillaoid variants make it so that you're always on the verge of being burdened even with a blessed boh and carrying the bare minimum stuff you need! 03:07 yeah, I'm often burdened in nethack, especially as a wizard 03:08 <@luxidream> showing inventory weight helps a lot with inventory management 03:08 oh yeah i should definitely include that in my variant 03:08 <@luxidream> I've gotten a lot better at it after playing NH4 variants that have showweight and getting an idea about how much carrying capacity I have and what to throw out 03:08 <@luxidream> xnh does this, NH4 variants do this 03:08 heh, showweight just means I see that I'm at 995/1000 :P 03:09 i definitely don't agree with tossing identify altogether... 03:09 <@luxidream> I think it should be higher level 03:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:09 and i was thinking of making the scroll cost more ink, be rarer, and take amnesia's spot in the 200zm list 03:09 <@luxidream> but it being higher level would conflict with aosdict's casting system that doesn't have fail rates 03:10 <@luxidream> so you need to read random scrolls in order to get identify? 03:10 :p 03:10 <@luxidream> I think there's a reason why it has a unique price class 03:10 hm i'll give it some more thought 03:11 what do you think of extending reduced hunger/hungerless casting to all the classes 03:11 * LarienTelrunya advocates for the removal of price id and keeping identify scrolls/spells in (but yeah the spell needs a nerf, otherwise you can just default to identifying everything as soon as you can cast it) 03:11 <@luxidream> not really relevant since most classes don't hit that benchmark 03:12 <@luxidream> unless it scales off of your dominant casting stat 03:12 oh right 03:12 okay what if it does that 03:12 the WIS casters get hungerless with 19 WIS 03:13 <@luxidream> it doesn't really make a lot of difference either since the only role that starts with an attack spell is, wizard 03:14 <@luxidream> I don't think monks and priests use sleep/healing enough for it to bring them close to starvation 03:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:14 <@luxidream> past that it's a convenience 03:14 <@luxidream> it would be nice 03:14 yeah that's probably true 03:15 i was also thinking of buffing the Tsurugi to be intelligent and deal more damage 03:15 oh it is intelligent 03:16 <@luxidream> base damage for twohanders is just really awful in general 03:16 <@luxidream> cleaver and excal have the same average damage 03:16 ugh 03:16 yeah i'll just have to buff to way more damage 03:17 <@luxidream> I've heard some ideas like making it scale on strength more 03:17 !who 03:17 eraserhead97: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh362] eraserhead97 [nh362] disbtopia [nh4] anemoi [fh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 03:18 i was just going to add extra damage dice 03:24 <@luxidream> where has aosdict been anyway? 03:24 I could ask the same question 03:24 the idea lists have been left unattended 03:25 <@luxidream> oh he was here last week 03:25 <@luxidream> seems to be out on another trip 03:29 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:49 !tell Mickmane you obviously aren't aware of the system that makes item stacks resist manipulation. When you dipped that stack of 7 potions of fruit juice into water, you had a 1 in 7 chance for them to be diluted; you'd have to try repeatedly. 03:49 Mickmane shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, LarienTelrunya. 03:50 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:53 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:04 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 04:11 weird game - I'm already at T:24301 and still no bags of any kind 04:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:26422 04:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:24871 04:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master lich), on T:26808 04:30 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:33 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:34 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 04:36 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:53 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:09 <@Shin Umbygashima> Hi Eraser 05:14 eep that potion was (a) invisibility and (b) blessed. 05:15 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 05:15 I thought it was innocuous because it didn't poly my darts and didn't clear when I dipped my unihorn and I knew it wasn't paralysis. 05:15 hi Mickmane *bundlebundlebundle* 05:15 Morning. :) 05:15 Mickmane: Messages from LarienTelrunya have been forwarded to you privately. 05:17 why are they private? 05:18 do you want me to reply privatley too? 05:18 nah you can reply here; Beholder automatically does that if there is a large amount of messages, to not spam up the channel 05:18 ah 05:19 well, I keep complaining about no proper id (no price-id, no reliable scroll id, no real altar buc - altar vanished,...) because it's no fun. 05:19 you pointing out that it's slex, well, then slex is not for me. 05:19 and I don't want to play a variant where it doesn't exist. I'm not going to change, I'll just pick a different game. 05:19 ah that's unfortunate, but if that's your decision... have a nice life, and thanks for the ruggo map I guess 05:19 that dipping stacks is also lame, just bothersome to take stacks apart one by one for dipping. 05:20 what, does thatmean you won#t talk to me anymore? 05:20 nah :D 05:20 I'll still play the current char to the end one way or another. 05:20 or one end or another, whichever it'll be 05:20 it's just that I would have liked to watch you play slex, but I won't watch you play other variants because I find them boring :D 05:21 (except dnhslex) 05:21 eep, cast sleep instead of force bolt and I wasn't sleep resistant yet 05:21 I don't need an audience, I just play for fun 05:21 ouch raisse 05:22 <@Shin Umbygashima> I've taken to super imposing that one sound clip any time I read a death message, bonus points if an actual YASD 05:22 <@Shin Umbygashima> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09s-c2JVI40 05:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:26540 05:24 <@Shin Umbygashima> casting the wrong spell is a special kind of hurtful death though 05:25 * LarienTelrunya remembers how she cast finger of death on the plane of earth once, accidentally skipped past the direction prompt, and had it go off in the direction of the previously used spell which had been extra healing 05:25 man was that a stupid way to splat a perfectly ascendable char 05:25 argh yes 05:25 <@Shin Umbygashima> haaaaaaaaaaaaa 05:25 no magic resistance? 05:26 <@Shin Umbygashima> that's fucking hilarious to imagine 05:26 Mickmane: that kills you even with magic resistance for some reason. 05:26 casting finger of death on oneself bypasses that 05:26 <@Shin Umbygashima> also self-cast FoD instasplats 05:26 ouch 05:26 <@Shin Umbygashima> literally just goes 05:26 for no reason other than developer sadism! :P 05:26 <@Shin Umbygashima> πŸ€” πŸ”« 05:26 <@Shin Umbygashima> sounds up your alley then P: 05:27 <@Shin Umbygashima> I almost wish there was a 3D Nethack sometimes 05:27 <@Shin Umbygashima> even if only for stuff like ragdoll physics 05:27 Bonus points if this happens: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/148 05:28 <@Andrio Celos> @Shin Umbygashima try Spelunky. 05:28 <@Shin Umbygashima> Oh believe me I watch that often 05:28 <@Shin Umbygashima> it's fun 05:28 Yeah 05:29 <@Shin Umbygashima> forgot you weren't on IRC huh Andy? 05:29 <@Shin Umbygashima> P: 05:29 <@Shin Umbygashima> or is this your suspiciously identical twin brother? 05:29 I am on IRC though. 05:30 My brother isn't very identical though. 05:30 <@Shin Umbygashima> on that note imagine if "double trouble" was more a thing and not just something Rodney did to make life complicated 05:31 <@Shin Umbygashima> I mean it's designed to make life complicated but what if it wasn't just him 05:32 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 05:34 <@Togue the Toeist> YAEPI: WoY' clone also comes back to harass you, and after you kill him twice he can cast double trouble too with the same implications for every clone 05:35 <@bhaak> @luxidream don't know about the weeping angels. I didn't add them πŸ˜ƒ 05:35 @bhaak: Message from @luxidream at 2019-05-17 01:59 EDT: your autounlock prioritizes credit cards over keys 05:35 @bhaak: Message from @luxidream at 2019-05-17 02:00 EDT: is there any point to the weeping angel levelport attack besides to mildly annoy the player 05:36 That sounds useful 05:41 <@bhaak> @luxidream the code is simple enough and should use a key if available. https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/blob/master/src/lock.c#L623 if it didn't you found an interesting bug 05:55 Water gets into your bag of holding! The water glows for a moment. 05:55 lol, really? :) 05:56 presumably I now have a bag full of glowy water 05:56 hehe 05:56 would be cool if that worked as permanent lightsource 05:58 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:01 then I'd need another bag to carry my stuff in 06:01 ooh, also a permanent diluting thing 06:01 portable pool of water 06:04 <@Togue the Toeist> Bag of holy water 06:04 <@Togue the Toeist> Can be dipped in and blesses all items put inside 06:04 yeah, I wouldn't mind carrying a 2nd bag for that. :) 06:04 <@Togue the Toeist> If you tip you can create a pool of water 06:05 but then it should be empty 06:05 <@Togue the Toeist> But it weighs the same as a loadstone 06:05 nah 06:05 <@Togue the Toeist> Lets make it not op 06:05 the same as a crystal ball 06:05 <@Togue the Toeist> Slap on a No Random Crits 06:19 you shouldn't eat wererats anyway 06:19 unless you're already a werejackal/wolf 06:19 What if you have polymorph control and you really want drain resistance? 06:20 (and don't care about cannibalism apparently) 06:20 or if you're a caveperson 06:22 <@Shin Umbygashima> Noooooooo! He was people! 06:22 <@Shin Umbygashima> Also why commit cannibalism as a samurai of all things 06:22 [hdf-us] [nh4] hPr2 (disbtopia) (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 54341 points, T:15362, killed by a tiger, while praying 06:22 <@Shin Umbygashima> How much has to have gone wrong 06:22 This nurse corpse is delicious! :D 06:23 or you think it's a food ration but the corpse is on top of it 06:23 or you think you have something edible in the 'y' slot 06:23 (protip: never have anything edible in the 'y' slot) 06:25 EPI: a trap that silently puts a cockatrice corpse in slot y of your inventory. Bonus points if it also randomly levelports whatever item you happened to have in slot y, if any. :D 06:25 that's deliciously evil 06:26 SLASH'EM actually has a trap that changes inventory letters around; however, if a certain option is set, it doesn't do anything 06:26 wondering what the devs were thinking there, because normally slex is the only variant that has interface screw traps on purpose 06:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:31 the water getting into your container has always been there 06:31 the info message not 06:32 it was empty, anyway 06:32 because I knew it was cursed 06:32 got it from a trap 06:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:43 -!- jilles has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:44 lol, what did they do to the messages about excalibur? 06:44 improved them :-) 06:44 are they random, or do they depend on the role/god? 06:44 no, random 06:44 nice 06:44 the watery tart is still there too 06:45 don't think I've seen that yet. 06:45 is it nh362 or Beholder who does it? 06:45 which* 06:45 beholder 06:45 nice 07:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] DishOfTheDay (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3132 points, T:6122, killed by a giant ant, while fainted from lack of food 07:11 LarienTelrunya, if you're interested, I'm back to see how far this char gets. 07:12 and you were right, seems my cat is still there, yay! 07:12 Mickmane: yeah I'll have to leave in about 15 min but until then I'll watch :) 07:12 when will you be back? 07:13 uhh, don't count on me coming back until sunday evening, I'm having a hell of a week with way too many tours back to back 07:13 today I'll get home around ten in the evening and for tomorrow's first tour I have to get up around 2 at night 07:13 ugh, that's terrible! 07:13 when I get home tomorrow I'll be dead :P 07:13 I guess I wish you restful sleep in the brief time you have 07:14 yeah I have to sleep very quickly! 07:14 oh, did you dilute the fruit juice now? 07:16 just realized those "floors" in your game are walls... totally confusing to have paths look like solid rock and solid rock looking like corridors! :D 07:16 heh, to me it looks just like it is :) 07:16 # is floor! 07:17 ugh... I'd fail so horribly if I had to play with that symset 07:17 didn't dilute the fruit juice yet, don't feel like taking them out one by one, just seems so pointless. 07:17 in that regard I actually like what nethack fourk did 07:17 what did they do? 07:17 you don't have to take them out one by one, repeatedly dipping the stack will eventually do the trick 07:17 in fourk, solid rock is visible instead of just being a blank space 07:18 I made solid rock visible too in the Dungeon option 07:18 the yellow stuff is solid rock 07:18 yeah because in slex it's visible by default; not sure if you could even do that in vanilla 07:20 I wonder what my fungus looks like 07:20 what was the command again for asking beholder what a monster is? 07:20 @le?jennifer infantry 07:20 No such monster. 07:20 of course the bot is horribly outdated though 07:20 aw 07:21 the jennifer infantry is based on https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/elona/images/e/ec/C377-Juere-infantry.png/revision/latest?cb=20160805005359 but supposed to have black hair and a more feminine face ;) 07:22 it's a fungus! 07:24 alright I fear it's time to say goodbye; not sure when I'll be back. have fun; in case this is really going to be your last slex char, I'll hope that you survive for a while, and of course my doors are always open for you in case you reconsider and eventually want to play another run 07:24 see you :) 07:24 (even if that might be years from now :D) 07:24 don't worry, of course you're not a persona non grata for me ;) 07:24 :) 07:24 have an unstressful day! 07:24 aww rip jt (go team ampersand!) 07:24 thanks! 07:25 oh and one last hint, the "item stacks resist manipulation" effect works both ways: dipping 5 scrolls of enchant armor into holy water has 1 in 5 chance of working, but accidentally falling into water also only has 1 in 5 risk of blanking that same stack of scrolls 07:25 ah 07:25 I'd rather have the dipping work properly 07:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Amy eats a green-elf corpse! Amy feels wide awake.] 07:34 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 48256 points, T:1976, killed by a monster (bedamned caky) 07:35 <@Shin Umbygashima> Someone explain why the fuck my pets keep hovering around traps. 07:35 <@Shin Umbygashima> I'll punt you into it myself, you wanna die so badly 07:36 <@Shin Umbygashima> And sure enough, the twat blunders in and died 07:37 Because they're silly 07:37 Sometimes because there's an item they're interested in on or near the trap. 07:37 Splat! 07:37 <@Shin Umbygashima> Literally 07:37 <@Shin Umbygashima> Nothing 07:37 <@Shin Umbygashima> But rocks 07:37 <@Shin Umbygashima> I made good and fucking sure of that 07:37 <@Shin Umbygashima> Human corpse rotted away already, salvaged the topaz stone from it 07:39 <@Shin Umbygashima> The fact some pets won't know to stop fucking around with things that'll possibly hurt or kill them is one of those "close to IRL" features I have 07:39 <@Shin Umbygashima> mixed feelings on 07:39 <@Shin Umbygashima> Watched a streamer I like's dog try to eat the cat like usual, except things got rough 07:43 [hdf-us] [fh] kaikias (anemoi) (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class 'L', on T:18242 07:44 <@Shin Umbygashima> Even without having recently witnessed that, pet artificial stupidity is p. :DansGame: 07:46 [hdf-us] [fh] kaikias (anemoi) (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of Croesus, the former Kunoichi, on T:18343 07:49 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 07:49 <@Shin Umbygashima> W e w 07:49 <@Shin Umbygashima> Randomly dug a luckstone out of a wall 07:49 <@Shin Umbygashima> fl2 even 07:50 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 1493 points, T:518, quit 07:55 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 1240 points, T:598, quit 07:57 [hdf-us] [nh4] eWZD1 (disbtopia) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 37491 points, T:5822, killed by a soldier ant 07:58 Amy, didn't you say whistle being less effective means it's cursed? 08:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> I think she dipped 08:05 I know she's not here, that's for when she's back 08:05 <@Shin Umbygashima> o 08:05 maybe I should use tell, hm 08:07 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:13 yeah she disconnected earlier 08:14 If she were here, I'd use the name, lar. :) 08:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Asriel (Pri Rod Fem Neu), 15325 points, T:1800, quit 08:31 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:35 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 123 points, T:261, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a potion 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2396 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3041 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5743 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a flaming sphere, on T:6347 09:39 The spell hits the rothe! You kill the rothe! What a mess! You owe Akalapi 10 zorkmids for it! 09:40 ... that cream pie was a death-drop from the rothe 09:40 lol 09:45 Murder. 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 12926 points, T:7449, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted chameleon imitating a minotaur 09:49 <@Shin Umbygashima> on that note imagine if "double trouble" was more a thing and not just something Rodney did to make life complicated 09:49 fiqhack tries to make monster ai as much like a player as possible, so when rodney appears the first thing he always does is cast double trouble. you always have to fight two of him. for me, this is a major disincentive to play fh 09:50 the other is wand balance patch stupidity 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "very holy unlit empty greased +5 dragonhide cloak of protection named prop. of bruce wayne", on T:42623 09:56 ac -64 09:56 solid 09:57 <@luxidream> !lg luxidream 09:57 really solid. i ate two black dragons 09:57 You kill the golden naga hatchling! You hear someone praising Ptah. 09:58 "got rid of the monster, praise Ptah!" 09:58 the cloak has ac-64? 09:58 !lg luxidream 09:58 oof? 09:58 no i have ac -64. the cloak is +5 09:58 cool 09:58 hello 09:58 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 09:58 still 09:58 <@luxidream> !tell bhaak Actually, it's lock picks, it insisted on using the PYEC when I had a lock pick in main inventory 09:58 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 10:00 [hdf-us] [slex] Asriel (Pri Rod Fem Neu), 32046 points, T:2204, killed by a monster (invisible ride cleric) 10:01 hi 10:01 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:01 K2: Message from hothraxxa at 2019-05-16 17:28 EDT: it was not a pet. it happened a second time 10:01 why would a lich want to attack an orc 10:01 hey k2, i was blind and started whacking this monster that warning showed as 3 10:02 turned out to be a beholder 10:02 ok 10:02 that seems wrong 10:02 oh. i was wearing conflict 10:02 i didnt make them as high a level as i did when i adjusted them in grunthack 10:02 ah conflict 10:02 ok 10:03 so now its just the problem of mon vs mon with that spell 10:04 could be. i thought it probably wasn't uniquely a bug in evil 10:04 <@bhaak> @luxidream you mean as the lock pick has a bigger chance to work than the lock pick? I might not have known that at the time 10:04 @bhaak: Message from @luxidream at 2019-05-17 09:58 EDT: Actually, it's lock picks, it insisted on using the PYEC when I had a lock pick in main inventory 10:05 it's one of those you can ignore safely, or at least it was for me. i didn't bother restarting the second time 10:06 wooo +99 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed historic unlit magic harp named prop. of h. marx", on T:42666 10:08 lol that was from a blessed lamp, to carry the bones stuff,and the bones had a wand of wishing! 10:08 sweet 10:08 <---- home now 10:09 wow, nice! 10:09 also, welcome home K2! 10:09 o7 10:09 wooot thanks! 10:10 where's elenmirie? i want to thank her for that /ow i just wrested 10:10 i wanna start drinking but i cant yet 10:10 too early? 10:10 have to pick up mini-me from school later 10:10 also for v) a blessed tooled horn named elenmirie {18} 10:11 ah driving 10:11 yup 10:11 the wow was 0:1 (and is now 1:3) 10:11 i havent had a drink in almost a month, so i imagine my tolerance is a bit low 10:11 have a beer instead of a drink then? 10:11 tonight though... 10:11 game. on. 10:11 ew 10:12 i got the evil castle wand at 0:3 but i don't need anything 10:12 wut 10:12 you dont need anything 10:12 hahah 10:12 save it for markers 10:12 i like that that happens in unnethack oftne 10:12 You hit the green slime! Your leg feels better. Your movements are now unencumbered. You hit the green slime. The green slime turns into a golden naga hatchling! 10:12 nope. i have several markers 10:12 4 but i used one up 10:12 because the DoD has _so_ much loot 10:12 * K2 nerfs wands of wishing 10:13 k2: my ac is -64 10:13 sweet 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1122 points, T:2745, quit 10:13 for 0.3.2 i made random dragonhide armor more rare 10:13 i wrote a repair armor book 10:13 from 2% to 1% 10:13 the only random dragonhide i have is gloves. i wished for the rest 10:14 end game is sporkhack hard, so i dont feel wrong at all for letting players have dragonhide items 10:14 <@luxidream> !tell LarienTelrunya YANI: cuckatrice. monsters with seduction attacks grudge this monster, preventing you from having sex 10:14 I'm on it, @luxidream. 10:14 * hothraxxa is all too aware 10:14 about to start down through gehennom 10:14 nice 10:14 -!- jilles has joined #hardfought 10:15 offense sucks 10:15 NCommander how you feeling? hope you're over the cold 10:15 heya jilles 10:15 +3 magicbane and spell of mm but i'm only xl18 10:16 oh these +6 silver daggers should help 10:17 What do you want to eat? [guT or ?*] ? 10:17 no thanks, I don't care for offal 10:17 oh wait, I'm an orc 10:17 okay, grocery shoppping 10:17 don't forget the tripe 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:3 10:22 haggis? 10:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:22 pet taming 10:31 hm, eucalyptus leaf, eating this item cures sickness and vomiting. For me, it'd cause that. 10:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:32 i just put 7 of those in my bag because gehennom 10:32 the leaves? 10:32 yeah 10:33 well, I'll have to use them in-game if sick, but I meant for real. :) 10:33 yes i know. in evilhack they're a really valuable early find because of the zombies 10:34 oh, zombies make you sick? 10:35 of all the variants I read about yesterday or so, I think splice is best for me, though it'd be nice if it had more new roles and races. 10:36 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 10:37 grunt and evilhack z maek you terminally ill and are extremely common in the early game 10:37 er Z 10:37 ouch 10:39 they can also eat your brain 10:41 ouch 10:41 ouch indeed 10:42 I'd be interested to know how that happened. To the ttyrec! 10:42 !lastgame janekw 10:42 Hekik: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/janekw/nethack/dumplog/1558001985.nh.txt 10:43 does falling into lava make you helpless? 10:47 Hmm, what if, we just remove unicorn horns from the game altogether? Thoughts? 10:48 bad idea 10:48 just remove the restore ability and its fine 10:48 <@kriptospicebox> remove the "fix basically any problem tool"!? how dare thee 10:49 stennowork: Thought about that. 10:49 unihorn is balanced in the variants, just not in vanilla 10:49 <@kriptospicebox> true, though i haven't played enough to know the details 10:49 <@kriptospicebox> enough variants, that is* 10:49 And yeah, if it only cured temporary effects like blindness and stunning, that's somewhat less unbalanced than the current nonsense. 10:50 attribute loss is mostly irrelevant once you have maxed your stats 10:50 Hmm, what if it took 5-7 turns to cure those effects? 10:51 i don't pay attention to it except to get annoyed at the satiated/dex thing 10:52 when i started playing variants that nerfed attribute restoration, i though it was a big deal. discovered that it's not 10:53 But why is it a bad idea to just remove unicorn horns altogether? 10:54 jonadab, how would you fix status ailments then? 10:54 you would need to rebalance a lot of monsters 10:54 and traps 10:54 Various ways. Also they time out eventually. 10:54 The ones that don't, unicorn horn already doesn't fix. 10:54 e.g. deadly illness, stoning, sliming\ 10:55 sure but even in my speedruns i waste a c?oGeno to get a unihorn 10:55 <@luxidream> oh look an archon permastunned me 10:55 <@luxidream> guess I lose 10:55 just don't want to- 10:55 that 10:55 especially stuff like stunning is nasty because it leaves you truly helpless 10:55 i can work around being blind for a few turns, sure 10:55 stun, conf are the nasty ones here 10:56 There ARE other ways to cure them. 10:56 Unicorn horn is just what everyone uses because it's cheap and easy. 10:56 well but you don't just have 15 potions of extra healing or w/e 10:56 as luxidream alluded, there are monsters that can spam those attacks 10:57 <@luxidream> stun isn't cured by extra healing 10:57 Sure. Some rebalancing might be required. 10:57 what heals stun? 10:57 <@luxidream> unicorn horns 10:58 jonadab, again i agree with you that unihorn is OP in vanilla, but removing stat regain will balance it 10:58 hah 10:58 <@luxidream> eating a whole lizard corpse sets duration to one 10:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:58 great.. 10:58 <@luxidream> prayer 10:58 not an option half of the game 10:58 maybe introduce a potion of heal negative stat thingy 10:59 bless it, it prevents any negative stat for 50 turns 10:59 <@luxidream> potion of curing, from DCSS? 10:59 and is stackable 10:59 yeah something like that 10:59 prayer isn't a practical solution in case of a monster's stun attack, because it'll stun you again, and you'll have a prayer timeout. 10:59 <@luxidream> it's also a minor trouble 10:59 Isn't there already such a potion? 10:59 That everyone always blanks? 10:59 not in vanilla 10:59 the is restore ability 11:00 Yeah, restore ability. 11:00 but thats only for stat loss 11:00 (which is why removing it from unihorn is fine) 11:00 Ah. 11:00 We could tweak it. 11:00 Make blessed restore ability work as you say. 11:01 i'd be ok with that 11:01 The problem with unicorns, the reason they're unbalanced, is because you only need one, you get it at a certain point, and it's good forever. 11:01 <@luxidream> in dcss potion of curing works because you have 20 of them 11:01 <@luxidream> so it's essentially an unlimited resource 11:01 <@luxidream> due to being so common 11:01 Izchak's lightning store without anyone or anything in it!? (I just get the welcome message) 11:02 <@luxidream> you probably have 3-4 potions of restore ability 11:02 <@luxidream> by castle 11:02 Avaialability of various consumables in NetHack is not very finely balanced, admittedly. 11:02 that's in slex, btw 11:02 <@luxidream> invisible shopkeeper 11:02 <@luxidream> mickmane 11:03 <@luxidream> try not to bump into him or he will kill you 11:03 oh! 11:03 yeah, better leave! 11:03 but there's not even a dorr in the doorway, weird 11:03 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 11:03 <@Shin Umbygashima> Probably means some shit happened 11:03 <@luxidream> no 11:03 <@luxidream> it's slex 11:03 <@luxidream> this is normal 11:03 <@Shin Umbygashima> Oh right 11:04 you know whats evil? if you are temporarily invisible, and the peaceful/tame monsters on the level suddenly start quaffing their perma-invis potions 11:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> Riiiiight 11:04 no door in Izchak's is normal in slex? 11:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> as is many other things designed to creative optimally arbitrary and frustrating deaths 11:04 er SI, not invis 11:05 imagine you test-quaff, and you get uncursed SI, and you have a spellcaster pet which promptly casts perma-invis on itself 11:05 uncursed SI effect wears off, suddenly you have a problem 11:05 <@luxidream> someone's getting left behind 11:05 not if you bump in it first 11:06 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:07 <@luxidream> it's probably high enough tameness not to go feral after one hit 11:07 what was the command again to ask beholder about a monster, I can't remember tha tweird key combo 11:07 natsukemono 11:07 want to know what that is... 11:07 @le?natsukemono 11:07 natsukemono (%) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confers: sleep | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d2 touch drain con, 1d2 touch drain dex, 1d2 touch drain str, 1d2 touch charisma-taking | Alignment: 0 | Flags: breathless, mindless 11:07 <@luxidream> @Le?jolteon 11:07 thanks 11:07 <@luxidream> oh yeah 11:07 @le?stenno 11:07 stenno ~3~ Baenni (b) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 4 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -12 | Attacks: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d8 kick physical | Alignment: -1 | Flags: omnivore, mindless, nopoly, stalker, vegan 11:07 <@luxidream> @le?jolteon 11:07 ok 11:07 jolteon (r) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 16 | Res: shock | Confers: shock | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d3 claw physical, 1d3 bite physical, 1d14 bite shock | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, oviparous 11:07 !lastgame bouquet 11:07 bouquet: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1557631762.nh.txt 11:08 !asc bouquet 11:08 bouquet: [hdf-us] bouquet has ascended 28 times in 440 games (6.36%): nh362:8 (6.78%), un:5 (5.10%), xnh:15 (10.07%) 11:08 <@luxidream> why is "le" the slex abbreviation 11:08 @le?richest man of the world 11:08 richest man of the world (D) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 27 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 3d12 bite physical, 6d12 spit tickle | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous 11:08 luxidream, it's french 11:08 spit tickle? :D 11:08 and why do I have to type @, that's awkward 11:08 its the bot prefix 11:08 i think sl is slash'em 11:09 @sl?gypsy 11:09 or not 11:09 <@luxidream> @dn?dream quasielemental 11:09 ! is so much easier to type 11:11 @ was a different bot 11:11 it was Pinobot but got merged into beholder (?) 11:12 <@luxidream> it's the prefix for a monster query I think 11:12 cream pies don't have much nutrition, do they? 11:12 Mickmane: 100 11:12 how much does a food ration have? 11:12 800 11:12 thanks :) 11:13 <@luxidream> there's a DCSS bot, cerebot, where ??jolteon will bring up a short description and strategy and @??jolteon would bring up its actual stats 11:13 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Comestible 11:13 <@luxidream> we could use a wiki bot though 11:13 <@luxidream> ??comestible 11:14 !asc un 11:14 bouquet: [hdf-us] bouquet has ascended unnethack 5 times in 98 games (5.10%): 1xBar 1xCav 1xPri 2xWiz, 2xHum, 3xLaw 2xCha, 5xFem. | [hdf-eu] No ascensions for bouquet in unnethack. | [hdf-au] No ascensions for bouquet in unnethack. 11:14 !wl comestible 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3043 points, T:4315, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 11:22 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:24 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 11:27 !pom 11:27 Hekik: The moon is full for 3 more days. 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:29255 11:35 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Hekik (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:44504 11:39 grrrr 11:39 hate it when that happens 11:39 got werejackaled, couldn't pray, had to drop my stuff, fell down a shaft and got killed 11:39 BoH with wand of wishing etcetera was still on the old level so it's not even in the bones :-( 11:39 awww 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 424 points, T:1236, killed by a giant mimic 11:44 evil patch idea: a monster that teleports your best equipment up a floor before killing you so it doesn't appear in your bones 11:45 evil patch idea, a monster that traps your bones with one of various traps 11:46 evil patch idea: bones mimic 11:47 <@luxidream> how would that work 11:47 <@luxidream> how does something look like a bones pile 11:48 By imitating a ghost? 11:48 technicalyl the 3.6.x thingies are already fake bones 11:49 trap + cursed loot 11:50 and corpse if you get there before it rots away 11:51 if it's in the first room you get to on the level you can even eat the corpse 11:51 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 11:51 sleep resistance from trap elf corpses is cool 11:52 ^^ 11:53 <@luxidream> why are they so fresh 11:53 <@luxidream> lol 11:53 Those don't look like real bones, though. And they are actually quite non-evil. 11:53 I've gotten sleep resistance from eating a freaking zombie 11:53 the little dungeon gnomes that keep up our illusion of being in a dangerous dungeon put it there right before you entered! 11:54 <@luxidream> you mean the naked ones running around in the mines? 11:54 does anyone remember the twilight zone episode with blue men removing and putting everything back in between every second? 11:54 <@luxidream> I don't see them as being up to the task 11:54 hehe, I guess they're there on a break 11:54 but no, I meant smaller invisible pixies that our chars never see 11:55 That doesn't excuse the zombies 11:55 it was a freshly killed zombie! they didn't hit the deadline, so could onyl turn something into a zombie right before you came in, it had been living a minute ago! ;P 11:56 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56 Mm~ 11:56 Trouble is that I don't think it matters how long the zombie had been animated before its corpse dropped. 11:56 yes, all that cruelty just for our entertainment, and the audience of course. 11:56 The wizard did it 11:56 I'm not really making up actual explanations. :) 11:57 "Something smashes glass panel headfirst at (x,y)." eh... 11:58 hm. i hit a gold dragon with magicbane, got probing: a) scroll of teleportation. hit again, cancelled the dragon. when it was dead, it dropped an unlabeled scroll. i didn't know magicbane cancellation affected inventory 11:59 Yellow dragon? 11:59 [hdf-us] [slex] Asriel (Pri Rod Fem Neu), 11743 points, T:2235, killed by a monster (invisible karate bride) 11:59 interesting 11:59 gold dragon. this is evilhack 12:00 ah 12:00 i didnt mess with magicbane behavior 12:00 A gold-plated dragon. 12:00 no, i didn't think you had. it's just something i never realized before 12:00 it makes sense 12:03 i don't see anything in the wiki that describes this 12:03 somebody named irina rempt wrote a superb cancellation spoiler apparently, i'll read that 12:05 I just ran into a stalking bulette, wonder if Amy meant burger (as in hamburger meat) 12:06 "Uh-oh, should have watched your step... You feel the grass grow. 12:06 " 12:06 eh... 12:07 <@luxidream> does it work on armor? 12:07 if that was meant for me, i don't know the answer 12:07 <@Togue the Toeist> Could you link said spoiler? 12:07 <@luxidream> I feel like that would be an interesting way to get something to +0 12:07 ...and there's Trollsbane hanging out on the floor 12:08 <@luxidream> convince something to wear it, stab it with magicbane repeatedly 12:08 <@Togue the Toeist> Then heal it 12:08 <@Togue the Toeist> And stab more 12:08 so far I've had Giantslayer, the Vorpal Blade, and Trollsbane randomly generate in this game while Fire Brand, Cleaver, and a few other artifacts also exist 12:08 sure, it's a really old spoiler (3.3) but afaik it still applies http://web.archive.org/web/20100405073536/http://www.nethack.de/spoiler330/cancellation.txt 12:09 <@Togue the Toeist> thx 12:09 <@Togue the Toeist> Well good luck if you ever try to artiwish in there 12:10 since i was unaware of the effect i've never thought to see if a cancelled monster's inventory was completely canceled 12:10 yay updated to php 7.3, broke the message board 12:11 everything else works, so thats good 12:13 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 12:14 <@Togue the Toeist> fixes message board 12:14 <@Togue the Toeist> "You hear something breaking in the distance" 12:17 As a developer, sometimes I feel like hitting the upgrade button on a runtime or application is a bit like stepping on a polymorph trap without polymorph control 12:17 i knew it'd be ok for the important things 12:18 the msgboard is technically inactive and disabled 12:18 i just keep it up in case ppl want to see old posts 12:18 its also the photo gallery too though 12:18 blah 12:22 I actually wrote that cancellation spoiler :-) 12:22 no! 12:22 Raisse the Thaumaturge did, and she's me :-) 12:22 I was giggling 12:22 so your secret identity is irina rempt. interesting 12:22 I didn't say anything because I didn't know whether you wanted it known or not 12:23 I didn't know about monsters' inventory though, this is just for objects (in piles or not) 12:23 Hekik: as a developer? what about the poor users that don't even have a clue what's going on? 12:23 mickmane: are you familiar with the works of the writer irina rempt? 12:23 hehe 12:23 depends on whether you call usenet posts ages ago works of the writer 12:23 bhaak: sometimes they are the broken armor sets 12:24 hothraxxa: no, I have an even more secret identity, which is what is in my government ID (first and last name both different) 12:24 https://valdyas.org/irina/books/ 12:24 hothraxxa: that's about as secret as the secrecy about donald trump's stupidity 12:24 *shameless plug* 12:24 Mickmane: not usenet posts, actual novels 12:24 2 novels and a game writeup collection (not really novelized, only somewhat edited) 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:31837 12:25 no, I have not read any novels by anyone called irina rempt, as far as I know 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:31838 12:25 you should 12:25 working on another novel (sequel to Gates and Passages) but it suffers from lack of plot and character motivation 12:25 why, what's in them that I like, versus what's not in them that I'd hate? 12:25 I don't do grimdark 12:26 Steam friend read my two bigger things, says I should publish even. Wouldn't know how to go about that, getting a headache just wondering. :) 12:26 if you like horror, or "realistic" meaning only the bad bits, then don't read what I write 12:26 amazon makes self-publishing of e-books pretty easy 12:27 no, horror bores me, and realistic is what I get in reality, don't want that in books. 12:27 I don't like amazon 12:27 well then 12:27 and back to php7.2 we go (for the website) 12:27 then you've got nothing to lose (except a bit of your time) when you try my books 12:27 i need to update the board before cutting over to 7.3 12:27 anyway, I gave up reading published books becuase they don't have what I want to read, wrote my own, now I have something I like reading. :) 12:28 that's basically why I wrote mine 12:28 (there are also some published books I like) 12:28 i wrote mine to show people how to love sea turtles 12:28 I'm very picky about characters, what they do, what they don't do, internal insecurities are a NONO, for example. getting embarrased with some stuff is,.. 12:28 seems to have worked based on feedback 12:28 sorry, I can't oblige :-/ 12:29 hey, do you want to betaread my stuff? ;P (don't worry, jk) 12:29 sure 12:29 it's what -I- call decent characters, versus bad people doing bad stuff. 12:29 oh, wow 12:29 I don't do postapocalyptic 12:30 but I think you don't either 12:30 no, just fantasy with magic for everyone. 12:30 I'll PM you my email address 12:30 I haven't finished the 3rd book of the trilogy, btw. 12:30 I'll ramble on to you in email then (I guess you still know not to top-post :) ) 12:31 right now I'm wondering whta to eat though. 12:31 I suggest food 12:31 hah, good suggestion! :)) 12:32 ok so i just canceled another dragon who dropped a plain spellbook, but also a wand of lightning that still has charges 12:32 i have no idea how that works 12:32 cancellation isnt an all or nothing thing in regards to inventory 12:32 we're going to eat leftovers from yesterday when we had friends over for a big Indonesian meal 12:32 ok so it is a thing 12:32 there's an n chance of the number of objects cancelled 12:32 up to 6 io think 12:33 ah this must be a carryover from monster cancelation amirite? 12:33 but sometimes 0 12:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:33 no 12:33 letting monsters use a wand of cancellation did not affect actual cancellation behavior 12:33 I already ate my leftovers from yesterday. 12:33 so this happens in vanilla? 12:34 not sure 12:34 easy enough to test 12:34 one min 12:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:41 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 1385 points, T:360, quit 12:43 hmm maybe i did change something 12:43 lemme look 12:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:48 well looks like i did 12:49 cancellation handling is done in src/zap.c 12:50 btw k2, the burnt partly eaten thing still happens 12:50 i know 12:50 its on list 12:50 but low priority 12:51 i can see where/why it happens but not sure yet how to resolve 12:52 so far every level in gehennom has up stairs divided from down stairs by a river of lava 12:52 good 12:52 ;) 12:53 it wont always make a gehennom map like that, but thats intended behavior 12:53 same for sporkhack and unnethackj 12:53 i fireproofed my bags. not my first rodeo 12:53 -j 12:54 also flying plus dragonhide boots 12:54 <@Shin Umbygashima> Okay, actually angry 12:54 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/578988838299631636/Capture_2019-05-17-12-54-34.png 12:55 <@Shin Umbygashima> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/578988838299631636/Capture_2019-05-17-12-54-34.png 12:55 <@Shin Umbygashima> I know the down stair is somewhere over here, or at least SOMETHING 12:56 <@Shin Umbygashima> But repeated 's' on the eastern walls in those rooms turn up nothing 12:56 you may want to plugin your charger ;) 12:57 check the corridor. sometimes that happens 12:57 The magic-absorbing blade cancels Eric the Lord! Magical energies are absorbed from Eric the Lord. 12:57 hothraxxa: for 0.3.2 i added feedback for when a player cancels a monster 12:57 love me some absorbed energy 12:57 <@Shin Umbygashima> It DOES happen but this doesn't look like one of those corridors 12:57 <@Shin Umbygashima> And more nothing in that case 12:58 how many searches? 12:58 i usually do 30 12:58 <@Shin Umbygashima> 20, occasionally 30 when I mistype 12:58 should be enough 12:59 <@Shin Umbygashima> You'd think 12:59 <@Shin Umbygashima> I've been doing that 12:59 <@Shin Umbygashima> It's either stupid ass RNG or there's somehow a giant block of nothing 13:00 that can happen too, even when there's no vault, although usually that would mean a vault 13:00 Giant block of nothing on one end of the level CAN happen, and occasionally does. 13:00 But the stairs *are* somewhere. 13:00 Are there notable empty spaces further west? 13:00 oh right, no stairs 13:01 ok one more vanilla ascension and then I jump into evilhack... 13:01 * hothraxxa snickers 13:01 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/578990416972480534/Capture_2019-05-17-13-01-04.png 13:01 <@Shin Umbygashima> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/578990416972480534/Capture_2019-05-17-13-01-04.png 13:01 <@Shin Umbygashima> Maybe this is it 13:01 <@Shin Umbygashima> But I'm still pissed 13:01 Yeah, search there. 13:01 <@Shin Umbygashima> This config makes no sense to me 13:02 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:02 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/578990680018518030/Capture_2019-05-17-13-02-09.png 13:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/578990680018518030/Capture_2019-05-17-13-02-09.png 13:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> Supreme annoyance 13:03 the rng hates you and wants you dead 13:03 I do think playing NetHack on a phone would be annoying, yes. 13:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> pls 13:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> Anyway found the vault porter 13:04 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/578991291074084894/Capture_2019-05-17-13-04-32.png 13:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/578991291074084894/Capture_2019-05-17-13-04-32.png 13:06 <@Shin Umbygashima> brown potion is gain level, thanks guar 13:06 <@Shin Umbygashima> *guard 13:06 hothraxxa: confirmed, magicbane will cancel targets inventory items 13:06 ok so 13:06 marker on the ground DL 1, altar and general store on DL2. This is starting out way too good. Something terrible is going to happen 13:06 do we keep that in 13:06 or change it 13:07 need food, will think about what to do with magicbane 13:08 be back in a bit 13:11 early RNG generosity always makes me nervous 13:11 "Make sure not to mess this one up!" 13:12 <@Shin Umbygashima> :monkas: 13:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Asriel (Wiz Rod Fem Neu), 2960 points, T:1399, quit 13:18 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- shadowcat22 has joined #hardfought 13:19 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Pri Rod Fem Cha), 3312 points, T:731, quit 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:44189 13:23 [hdf-us] [slex] Asriel (Wiz Rod Fem Cha) averted death, on T:375 13:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 528 points, T:1623, killed by a jackal 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:44349 13:29 yay for discord. "Anonymous caller does not have storage.objects.get access to ..." 13:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:30 The troll rises from the dead! The troll drowns. 13:30 my favourite part 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 622 points, T:1718, killed by a fox 13:37 haha 13:38 does anyone know...is the entrance to the mines always on the second level now? for the past three games, i've found it there... 13:38 dl 2-4 13:38 hasn't changed 13:38 variant? I can tell you it's level 3 in my 362 game 13:38 it's just odd that it's been on level 2 for three games in a row. nope...362. okay. just checking. 13:39 i don't believe any variant changes that 13:39 just rng nonsense 13:39 a 1 in 9 chance of being level 2 three times in a row, not really that rare 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 584 points, T:2043, killed by a hobgoblin 13:48 <@luxidream> !tell aosdict I've figured out the secret behind your variant name 13:48 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 13:48 <@luxidream> !tell aosdict https://i.imgur.com/VaONupx.png 13:48 Will do, @luxidream! 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 370 points, T:1494, killed by a little dog 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:32937 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:44661 13:55 hm. beholder didn't notice that i killed baalzebub 13:55 yes but i had to tell you 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 59 points, T:310, killed by a water elemental 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33219 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1322 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:1328 14:03 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/579006105141903381/Screenshot_2019-05-17_at_14.03.21.png 14:03 <@Shin Umbygashima> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/579006105141903381/Screenshot_2019-05-17_at_14.03.21.png 14:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Anshar, on T:9347 14:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Anshar, on T:9554 14:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anshar, on T:10634 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:5249 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:3784 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3834 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:45173 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45175 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9153 points, T:4933, killed by a giant spider 14:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:5098 14:39 okay...i've got one wish left on a wand of wishing. i've already wished for gdsm and gauntlets of power. should i go for an amulet of reflection? or is there something better? 14:40 i'm a lawful valk 14:40 have you done sokoban? 14:40 no, not yet. 14:40 haven't found the staircase yet. 14:40 3.6.2 right? do soko before you wish for an amulet 14:41 yeah. 14:41 your wand is 1:1 or 1:0? 14:41 0:1 14:42 oh you have 5 wishes left then 14:42 do you know charging? 14:42 no. and i don't have any scrolls of charging yet, either. 14:42 that's your wish. 2 blessed scrolls of charging please 14:43 then use one to charge the wand 14:43 <@Shin Umbygashima> EZ πŸ‘ 14:43 is that the castle wand? 14:43 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 14:44 no...just found it randomly. 14:44 ok. first thing you do when you get a /ow and you don't have charging is wish for charging 14:45 in case the wand is 0:1 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:6081 14:45 damn. wished for 2, only got one. 14:46 doesn't matter, you know it now. recharge the wand, wish for an uncursed marker, write some more as needed 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:6263 14:47 you might consider a fixed cloak of protection, but i wait until i've done the castle before i start wishing for armor 14:47 usually 14:48 a random /ow changes things 14:48 oh and when you wish for a marker (or anything really) specify the buc. for markers you probably want uncursed 14:49 damn. i just wished for a magic marker. 14:49 otherwise the rng might screw you with a cursed one 14:49 i know, that's why i mention it 14:49 <@shadowsapex> not hard to bless a cursed one 14:49 <@shadowsapex> eh. uncurse 14:50 cool 14:50 <@shadowsapex> oh nevermind it's an early game wand 14:50 just found the staircase for sokoban. hopefully i can do it. i cheat, but i've only been able to complete it once. 14:51 (i use wiki) 14:51 i prefer uncursed markers 14:51 i don't consider that cheating 14:51 so, i found another scroll of charging randomly...can i use that or should i wait? 14:51 since nethack is a solitaire, cheating is whatever hurts your conscience 14:51 use it on what? 14:52 also you likely want to know its buc before you use it 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) became Crom's Envoy of Balance, on T:33799 14:57 use it on the wand of wishing. but true...i should find out its status first. 14:57 <@luxidream> !tell aosdict can you steal autounlock from un? 14:57 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 15:00 wow all the candles for vlad are cursed 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 15164 points, T:9447, quit 15:00 that bastard 15:01 ok. evilhack here i come. Is there a zen option? I don't want to ascend on my first try and hurt K2's feelings 15:01 heh. you're tariru aren't you 15:01 haha no. i'm just joking 15:01 oh. i took you seriously 15:01 why did you quit? 15:02 got bored 15:02 ah 15:02 say hello to the zombies for me 15:02 and i need to play variants i guess with junenethack coming up and all 15:02 <@luxidream> !tell aosdict is "beware of discordians bearing answers" a true or false rumor 15:02 Will do, @luxidream! 15:02 oh that's right. that's why i stopped playing. I kept getting scratched and dying. But i think he toned it down a bit. That was on the first day 15:02 probably taken from unnethack 15:03 yes at first they were fast and respawned almost immediately 15:03 i went in a shop and there were 3 in there like mimics (on dl2) 15:04 just too frustrating. but i guess he changed it . I didn't complain or anything. 15:04 have you ascended it hothraxxa? or others? 15:04 I remember elenmirie had a run and died with the amulet to a bug. I was watching her play 15:04 i didn't complain either. i just described what happened and k2 decided it was too much 15:05 i think he made an error in the code 15:05 yeah elenmirie should have had the first ascension 15:05 well demo should have really, but he had really poor luck on astral 15:06 and i considered him underprepared 15:06 he did amazingly well considered but the rng was against him 15:06 so i've never played grunthack or anything. The zombies in evil hack- just avoid them right ? 15:07 do not melee if possible 15:07 get a hat asap 15:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "uncursed greased fireproof magic marker", on T:23693 15:07 starting with a good ranged weapon will help considerably 15:08 s/weapon/attack 15:09 i participated in junethack last year and just played 3.6.1 constantly lol. I think i had the most 3.6.1 ascensions actually, but I know it goes against the spirit of the whole thing 15:09 I've never played variants. I've always wanted to 15:10 I always plan to 15:10 so now i shall start 15:10 after i played junethack for the first time, i stopped playing vanilla outside of junethack 15:10 why is most ascensions in vanilla against the spirit of junethack? 15:11 because the tournament is intended to encourage people to try the variants 15:11 ah! 15:12 there's no rule that says you shouldn't stick to vanilla though 15:12 there aren't many rules at all 15:12 nice 15:13 i found it to be fun 15:13 I'm no tournament person, but without obligations, I agreed to join Amy's team. :) 15:13 Imean, if I just play as I would anyway, why not. :) 15:13 i only started because i got invited to teamsplat. i didn't think i could keep up 15:14 If there were anything to 'keep up' to, I'd get stressed and not want to participate. 15:14 yeah 15:14 once you get over that idea, it's a lot of fun 15:15 I was assured I don't have to do anything. :) 15:15 just play is all 15:15 I don't even have to do that. :) 15:15 would be no fun if I had to play anything. 15:15 i guess that's true 15:17 anyway i decided to get the first gnome healer ascension in as many variants as i could, and when i ran out of those i started on orc wizards 15:17 hehe 15:17 overall, over the last year? 15:18 no, it must be coming up on three years now 15:18 ah 15:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:25693 15:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25694 15:19 i'm wrong, it's two years 15:20 getting the evilhack orc wizard started was a nightmare 15:20 I can't even imagine. 15:20 i'm playing a monk. I wish I had the patience to have my pet keep up 15:20 i want to curse test all this armor 15:20 maybe i should play priest 15:21 I'm already not fond of orcs. Well, most of them, until I played Shadowrun Hong Kong, that has a really cool orc npc/party member. :) 15:21 hard to keep a pet in evilhack. they'll attack zombies and get killed 15:21 are there still tools in the mines?? It sucks I found a towel and pickaxe on a trap back in the dungeon but of course they were cursed 15:21 yes, but the mines have changed 15:21 lots of water or lava, sometimes dividing the stairways 15:22 oh, so the lava wasn't slex' fault. :) 15:22 looks like i'm going back to the dungeon toolless because i'm blocked by water 15:22 <@Togue the Toeist> me right there 15:22 in my game, in the mines 15:22 <@Togue the Toeist> aint fond of orcs but for some reason orcish wiz "feels good" 15:22 i forget who first put lava in the mines 15:23 can k2 ascend this ? 15:24 what, evilhack? 15:24 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 15:24 the only ascensions are jilles, me, and tangles 15:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:26868 15:24 elenmirie was cheated by a bug 15:25 demo got the astral, got the wrong altar, had the amulet stolen and then got the wrong altar again. he didn't have enough resources to recover from that 15:26 well i'd be joining that club, but i can't get anywhere in the mines and get oh i dunno a pickaxe and a towel and such 15:26 so evil! 15:27 get the scrolls from earth and make a path in the mines with boulders? 15:27 yeah, the problem is you can't wait around 15:27 eh the scrolls of earth from soko 15:27 yeah well if i make holy water i'll uncurse the towel/pickaxe i found on the trap. that's my goal 15:27 sooner or later the zombies show up so hanging around one level is dangerous 15:28 zombies got buffed in evil? 15:28 you can dip the towel 15:28 a key would be nice 15:28 ahhh i can dip the towel. yes 15:28 @evil?zombie 15:29 i like all these moves the monk has though ! 15:29 buffed as in they can make you terminally ill and/or eat your brains 15:29 i haven't played a monk since he added the kicking 15:29 got a silver picakxe and towel sweet 15:30 hm. i haven't played an evilhack monk at all 15:30 oh the pick was silver? 15:30 dip 15:30 the new one 15:30 oh 15:30 found a different one 15:30 cool. it'll do til you get the mithril one 15:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:31 !help 15:31 Hekik: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 15:31 does it matter what kind of pickaxe you have? 15:32 there must be a name for the reddit feeling when you start to read a title and utterly confused in what subreddit you are when you reach the end: "Guy wants to summon and fuck a succubus, but the people of r/occult try to warn him against it" 15:32 yeah. a silver one won't rust and if iirc is a bit lighter 15:32 What causes "You hear a faint sloshing sound?" Doesn't appear to be on the wiki 15:32 geez bhaak. tell him to kick sinks 15:33 it's nice having intrinsic speed at least for these zombies. plus i've been one shotting them 15:33 (when I have meleed) 15:33 are you playing vanilla Hekik 15:33 does it matter whether your pickaxe is rusted? I mean, you mentioned a mithril one, is that just even lighter? 15:34 try to find a tree and get some eucalyptus leaves 15:34 yes it's lighter and corrodeproof 15:34 StatueSurfer: yes 15:34 a rusted pickaxe is less effective 15:34 are you sure it's a *sloshing* sound 15:34 ate a fire ant and i'm slightly more chill. so resistances wear off? 15:35 yep, that's what it said 15:35 !commands 15:35 Hekik: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 15:35 if you only dig walls, does it matter if your pickaxe is rusted? (or will it take longer?) 15:35 yeah then i can't help you 15:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased wand of polymorph", on T:28240 15:36 rebatela: no, you gain them incrementally 15:36 nevermind 15:36 hekik: you kick a sink while blind 15:36 i was about to ask if he was messing with a sink 15:36 mickmane: it takes longer 15:36 ...but I didn't, and there's no sink on the level 15:36 ah 15:36 hrm 15:36 <@Shin Umbygashima> What were you doing then 15:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:28330 15:37 <@Shin Umbygashima> why are you blind first off, just for context's sake 15:37 walking around. I had been using up some wands of create monster at an altar 15:37 I'm also not blind 15:37 <@Shin Umbygashima> Oh 15:37 <@Shin Umbygashima> Sorry, tired 15:37 apparently you had some blobs in your bag and they merged 15:38 would be nice if it could have been a dog/cat drinking out of a toilet, but I guess no variant has that, right? 15:38 wha 15:38 <@Shin Umbygashima> You have a bag on you? 15:38 why isn't that coming up on the results then 15:38 ths sloshing, whatever it was. 15:38 hm, not on my bag but there was at least one on the ground 15:38 <@Shin Umbygashima> If so the blobs likely coalesced in your pack 15:38 i can't speak for the wiki. i'm reading the code 15:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased wand of polymorph", on T:28398 15:38 ok. they merged and you didn't see them merge 15:39 time to update the wiki 15:39 hm, what a strange thing 15:39 do they have to be on the same tile, or do blobs from adjacent tiles have a chance to merge 15:40 because I wasn't messing around with items on the floor, but there was a kobold wandering around in the room with all the corpses 15:40 i think adjacent but i closed the page so i don't know for sure 15:41 not that important, I consider it a sort of achievement that I got a message that wasn't on the wiki 15:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class U), on T:28496 15:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided class z, on T:28496 15:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:28497 15:41 "You hit the fox! You feel wise!" 15:41 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5874 points, T:4800, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse 15:41 class z? 15:41 oh right 15:42 sea monsters got move there 15:42 ran outta foood 15:42 i was doing ok though. i'm gonna keep playin 15:43 wel shit 15:43 i had three djinni already but i thought i'd bless this smoky booze and quaff it anyway 15:44 In a cloud of smoke, a djinni emerges! The djinni speaks. "You disturbed me, fool!" 15:44 what an asshole 15:44 are djinni like way tougher in evilhack or something 15:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28629 15:44 nah 15:45 he's dead now. if he'd been nicer i would have taken him to gehennom with me 15:45 i mean, i didn't really need the wish so that part's ok 15:45 i picked up a horn of plenty in the mines and it was cursed 15:46 <@Shin Umbygashima> Spits out food items but cursed 15:46 <@Shin Umbygashima> at least in vanilla 15:46 lol $1012 (char 7) in a shop and it's the sex change one :9 15:46 :9 15:47 :( 15:47 yes. empty it and hope for unholy water 15:47 amulet 15:47 bah. can't type 15:47 yes i discovered that 15:47 after it produced a royal jelly 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10197 15:49 damn. bag of holding. 15:49 guess i use that wish for an amulet of reflection now, huh? 15:49 since that's an extra wand, i would 15:49 blew my luck, too...had to use one of the scrolls of earth on the final level. 15:50 if you have a luckstone, bag it 15:50 wait 600 turns, luck all fixed 15:51 rebatela yes someday i will ascend evilhack ;) 15:52 i still havent really played a serious game of nethack since january 15:52 i don't think you've played it have you? 15:52 just in testing 15:52 i type too slowly 15:52 yeah so no attempt to win 15:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:29696 15:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:29698 15:52 junethack i'll finally give myself a break and actually *play* 15:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased spellbook of magic mapping", on T:29710 15:53 it'll be good for you to try winning evilhack 15:53 so good news - mice did not setup shop and make a nest in my grill this year 15:53 warning: it's hard 15:54 these gnomes in the mines just killed themselves with a rolling boulder trap 15:54 cleaning the grill now; steaks tonight! 15:54 <@Togue the Toeist> "apply what?" 15:54 * hothraxxa grilled some last night 15:54 <@Togue the Toeist> "Your potion of oil is now lit." 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 15:54 <@Togue the Toeist> "You throw the potion of oil at the grill." "You hear writhes of pain!" 15:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:29985 15:55 orc town ? 15:55 really? 15:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:55 <@Togue the Toeist> oof 15:55 rebatela you playing evilhack? 15:55 i had orc town in this game 15:55 i'm an orc and they weren't nice to me at all 15:56 orctown in evilhack/xnethack is different that stock orctown 15:56 dont rage quit ;) 15:56 oh hey buddy 15:56 playing your game :)( 15:56 yes. loot lying around and a barricaded shopkeeper 15:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:30130 15:56 rebatela: beware racial grudging when price-iding 15:57 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:57 why is the shopkeeper barricaded? 15:57 k2: honestly, this is freaking awesome 15:57 <@Togue the Toeist> because orcs would kill em 15:57 oh, wow 15:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3131 points, T:2176, killed by a wand 15:57 nvm 15:57 aw 15:57 well 15:58 <@Togue the Toeist> rip 15:58 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 15:58 maybe not that awesome 15:58 thanks rebatela 15:58 * K2 smacks hothraxxa 15:58 <@Togue the Toeist> well, makes sense them not being helpful 15:58 is there a command for attacking without moving? 15:58 i'm going to play a lot 15:58 <@Togue the Toeist> fight 15:58 <@Togue the Toeist> aka "F" 15:58 what role/race are you playing? 15:58 guess 15:58 lol 15:58 monk :P 15:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:30578 15:58 ty ^^ 15:58 i love all the sick moves! thank you ! 15:58 \o/ 15:58 thank you for your help...gotta go do work now. 15:59 <@Togue the Toeist> orcs hate even themselves 15:59 <@Togue the Toeist> lol 15:59 hothraxxa: i've come to the conclusion that magicbane should not cancel monster inventory 15:59 -!- shadowcat22 has quit [] 16:00 K2: did you know that monks twoweapon at grand master was bugged. 16:01 yeah 16:01 Tangles fixed it 16:02 yes 16:02 i saw how that cost you a half way decent game :/ 16:02 oopsies 16:02 indeed! 16:02 you were in michael jackson mode 16:02 just one glove 16:02 explain yourself! 16:02 lol 16:02 :P 16:03 what's this about monks twoweaponing martial arts 16:03 something that is technically really awesome 16:03 when it's not bugged 16:03 (which i assume is now the case) 16:03 its not bugged anymore 16:03 (therefore its awesome) 16:03 Tangles fixed the issue 16:04 StatueSurfer: in evilhack I made it so at grand master skill using martial arts, you get a second attack per round 16:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:39, on T:31515 16:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:31516 16:04 ah 16:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:31525 16:05 oh you know what would be way cool 16:05 so you have ~50% chance of staggering blow instead of 1/3 16:05 if you decide to use a weapon as a monk, at expert or whatever skill, you get a 2nd attack with your fist 16:05 if using one handed weapon 16:06 mm idk 16:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:45, on T:31661 16:06 stenno yeah i suppose 16:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:45, on T:31664 16:06 then again i don't use weapons as monk 16:06 me neither 16:06 but some ppl do 16:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:31890 16:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:31891 16:08 monks should be punished for using weapons :v 16:08 they pretty much are punished 16:08 i actually removed a lot of weapon skill slots for monks 16:09 since they're restricted in like every weapon 16:09 and i was thinking along those lines for priests instead 16:09 (priests trying to use an edged weapon) 16:09 "removed a lot of weapon skill slots" monks can reach basic in 4 weapons 16:09 in vanilla 16:10 I think people should be allowed to do what they prefer. 16:10 like pickign skill and spell set at the start would be cool. Make your own role! 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh4] ePR3 (disbtopia) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 13908 points, T:739, killed by a contact-poisoned spellbook 16:10 sounds like slex 16:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:33, on T:32451 16:10 nah 16:11 damn that didnt work 16:11 hmm 16:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:25, on T:32695 16:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:24, on T:32775 16:12 slex cripples one of the most fun parts of the game: finding out what all that stuff is. 16:12 and using it to best effect. 16:13 It's outright impossible, or incredibly tediouis, to do that. 16:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:9, on T:33133 16:13 i like the pokedex in slex 16:13 i wish amy was here so i could see what she says to that 16:13 <@Togue the Toeist> contact poisoned books are a cursed book event or actually trapped or smth? 16:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:33305 16:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the End Game, on T:33305 16:13 sometimes the pokedex isn't all that helpful... 16:13 I believe the normal procedure is to get Amy to watch your game and tell you everything (and in SLEX's favour, yeah, having a working monster memory is a big step forward) 16:13 its a high-level book event 16:13 she knows I don't like that id and buc doesn't work properly, nor dipping. 16:15 !asc 16:15 stenno: [hdf-us] stenno has not ascended in 3 games. | [hdf-eu] stenno has ascended 3 times in 172 games (1.74%): nh362:1 (1.52%), xnh:2 (10.53%) | [hdf-au] stenno has not ascended in 2 games. 16:16 crapola - no SD drop 8^P 16:16 i almost never use weapons as a monk. I did in yesterday' asc just because i got magicbane and it is fun 16:16 time to resurrect 16:16 my character apparently believes that finishing this paragraph in this spellbook is more important than fighting this panther that just showed up 16:16 or if I find grayswandir in bones, I will use it 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 5501 points, T:4347, killed by a leocrotta, while reading a book 16:17 StatueSurfer, nethack spellbooks draw you in and don't let you go. If you tried it'd fry your mind. 16:17 sigh 16:17 ouch 16:17 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:33446 16:18 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 16:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:33478 16:20 i was trying to say that spellbook reading is interruptible, but not if the book is cursed 16:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest, on T:33492 16:20 then i typed myself out of irc 16:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:33493 16:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:33517 16:21 typing on irc is interruptable too? 16:21 Evil Patch Idea: if a spellbook is higher level than you, just picking it up draws you in, causing you to try to read the book, involuntarily. 16:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:33548 16:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:33569 16:22 jonadab: if cursed 16:22 and you touch it bare handed 16:22 1-((1-0.05)^12)=46% chance of a DSM drop given 12 zaps 16:22 congrats luxidream 16:23 congrats lu- oh he's not here 16:23 <@luxidream> thanks 16:23 there you are! 16:23 Actually, if we want to be really evil: Evil Patch Idea: _seeing_ a cursed spellbook that is higher-level than you causes you to involuntarily walk to, pick up, and try to read the book. You are considered helpless the whole time. 16:23 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1018394 points, T:33597, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/xnethack/dumplog/1558115440.xnh.txt 16:23 Go Team @! 16:24 don't some people use lvl 1 cursed spellbooks as escape items or something ? 16:24 Well a level 1 book would never be higher level than you. 16:24 So that would still work :-) 16:24 ok 16:24 but something that will teleport u but not kill youy 16:24 grats @Luxidream 16:24 !d100 16:24 eraserhead97: 31 16:25 i always play spellcasters. that's sacrilege to me 16:25 <@Shin Umbygashima> @luxidream Late congrats 16:26 well crap 16:26 i dont kjnow how to exclude magicbane from cancelling monster inventory 16:26 yet 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 226 points, T:1217, killed by a kitten called McGee 16:26 part of me thinks i should leave that in 16:27 technically its grunthack behavior too 16:27 <{Demo}2> k2: ur cool 16:27 <{Demo}2> thanks 4 hdf 16:27 i sense sarcasm 16:27 <{Demo}2> no sarcasm 16:27 thank you {Demo}2 16:28 <{Demo}2> ur way better thank kerio cause he's an arch lich 16:28 heh 16:28 what happened 16:28 <{Demo}2> and ur an American hero not a means mcbeano 16:28 <@luxidream> thanks umby 16:28 <@luxidream> K2, did a lot of old dumplogs break? 16:28 <@Togue the Toeist> welp ive become a spellcasting connoiseur aswell 16:29 rebatela: Even as a pure spellcaster, there are going to be some spells you just plain don't need. 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh4] hWD1 (disbtopia) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 15091 points, T:1553, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 16:29 <{Demo}2> good luck !lotg all 16:29 <{Demo}2> !booze 16:29 * Beholder throws {Demo}2 a schooner of grappa, prayed over by the /dev/null/oracle at 222 Kelvin. 16:29 <@luxidream> I'm trying to use old links to access dumps and it's not working 16:29 <{Demo}2> dammit beholder u suck 16:29 <@Togue the Toeist> imagine having a spellbook of lightning 16:30 {Demo}2 is drunk 16:30 omg - resurrection #12 (the last one) dropped SDSM \o/ 16:30 rebatela: For example, once you have the extra healing spell, you aren't going to need the non-extra level-1 healing spell, ever. 16:31 @luxidream which dumps? 16:31 362-hdf? 16:31 Also, knock is level 1, and you really, really don't need it. 16:31 because i changed the wording format slightly 16:31 Unless you're trying for, like, tool-less conduct, or something. 16:31 if its for vanilla 3.6.x change nh361 to nh in the dumplog link 16:32 ok out the door be back later 16:32 <@Togue the Toeist> is luxi running a zen valk? 16:33 <@Togue the Toeist> well 16:33 <@Togue the Toeist> some of those are good for something 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law), 241 points, T:1173, killed by a bat 16:33 <@Togue the Toeist> knock helps you train the school of that spell 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Hekik (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:46976 16:36 jonadab: yeah, I was just kidding. 16:37 knock does train matter for polymorph though 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:31969 16:38 k2: leave it in, it's perfectly sensible 16:38 oh he left 16:38 !tell k2 leave magicbane inventory cancellation in. it makes sense 16:38 I'm on it, hothraxxa. 16:39 jonadab: three healing is better than one extra-level healing 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3659 16:40 i always do that if i'm not under pressure 16:40 <@Shin Umbygashima> Knock also deals with lock-trigger traps potentials 16:42 I had no nap, now I'm tired, off to bed for now (probably not until proper morning, but who knows). 16:42 See you later. :) 16:43 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1266 points, T:1535, quit 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1164 points, T:1465, quit 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Hum Fem Law), 4047 points, T:6827, killed by a giant ant, while praying 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Hekik (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:47340 16:50 ...really? 16:51 what? 16:52 nevermind 16:52 i guess you're restricted in escape anyway 16:52 <@Togue the Toeist> shouldve wished for ahriman for levitation 16:52 <@Togue the Toeist> omegalul 16:52 i polypile for all rings 16:53 so many garbage rings 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1942 16:53 I've still got 2 wishes on the wand and 2 magic lamps, so it's probably okay 16:53 although that's a lot of turns to not have levitation. not a bad wish 16:53 yep 16:54 man everyone rags on the heart of ahriman 16:54 nobody appreciates the utility of slotless levitation 16:54 also I do a lot of lollygagging about, so that turn count is a bit inflated I'm sure 16:54 I've got the Eye of Aethopica or however you spell it for an amulet 16:55 awesome 16:55 my favorite 16:55 this is by far the furthest I've ever gotten, only got to gehennom once before and got splatted pretty quick 16:55 I think this peaceful Ogre lotsa Ludios gold - he must die 16:55 stole 16:56 what role hekik? 16:56 $16059 16:56 priest this time, which I never do. Usually thief, valk, barbarian, etc 16:56 nice 16:56 that's a lotta mula 16:56 i reached the castle yesterday 16:56 that's what I played the most when I first started playing 16:56 where i got splatted by the drawbridge like a moron 16:56 oof 16:57 now i have a better understanding of how force bolts and drawbridges interact 16:57 well, my previous best run I died because I was blind and wasted a bunch of turns checking what was on the floor while I was being attacked 16:57 priest with eye is fun. Do you know magic missile? I used to always level up priests to 30 and wish for eye and they are very powerful 16:57 StatueSurfer: I had an invincible Tourist at castle once - that died the same way - drawbridge got blasted while I was on it 16:57 yes, magic missile has been my go-to 16:58 :) 16:58 mega rip 16:58 my biggest irritation so far has been forgetting spells. At least I have the eye to zap myself back to my stash 16:59 yep. when I have the eye i usually just keep my stash in soko 16:59 and dig back down with pickaxe 16:59 easy solution: win in sub-20k turns 16:59 for certain values of "easy" 17:00 I wish use of spells kept them from being forgotten. I can see forgetting one you haven't used in a while, but I use magic missile about once every few steps or so 17:01 they last 20,000 turns 17:01 I did get a lot of them early and like I said, I waste a lot of time so I know it's my fault 17:01 don't worry about turns. take your time 17:02 done a lot of backtracking 17:02 like you said, you can go back to wherever your stash is 17:03 some people seem snobby about turn-count... Don't even think about it if you're trying to ascend 17:04 well a lower turn count is a sign of skill 17:04 (or luck) 17:04 i get that 17:04 but it's a dumb thing to be worrying about when you're as far as you've ever been 17:04 that said my ascension was 70000+ turns 17:04 damn - quivering blob dropped /oD 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh4] donadar (zor) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 22063 points, T:513, killed by a cave spider 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6879 points, T:6110, killed by a yeti 17:07 yeah, just means I'm forgetting the best spells. Lost my spellbooks of polymorph and identify due to a dip in the lake, now I've got to waste some marker to get them back. At least I've got wishes 17:07 you can write them 17:08 don't wish for the books. just write them with markers (because you know them) 17:08 yeah, that's the plan 17:08 you can also polypile spellbooks (even blank ones), identify them, and then if they are too blank to read, similarly you can write them 17:08 although polymorph isn't as useful since I've got a 97% fail rate 17:09 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:09 Level up with wraiths in the Priest quest 17:09 and take off metal armor, bless that mitre of holiness to +5 17:10 and that poly fail rate will go down 17:10 what level should I be aiming for? I'm 26 right now 17:10 that should be fine. what's your wisdom? 17:10 21 17:10 hmmm. you probably need to train matter 17:10 something is wrong. it shouldn't be 97 fail i don't think 17:10 as a priest don't think I can 17:11 oh ok. It's been a while. BUt i know you can get poly lower than that 17:11 for spellcasting I've got healing, divination, and clerical. But my mitre is only +3 17:12 yeah. get it to +5 and that will go down 17:12 I used to play priests (and cast poly) and it goes down 17:14 getting to lvl 30 might help? I'm not sure. It will make magic missile stronger 17:14 if you cast create monster just inside the portal of the priest quest you can lure the wraiths out 17:15 writing that identify spellbook is like writing a scroll of genocide (15-29 charges) 17:16 might have to head back, I want the next time I go down into gehennom to be the last 17:16 polymorph is a lot more (twice that) 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:3605 17:17 you definitely want to bless the helm though. that will help all your spells 17:17 pretty much all the strategy around spells is new to me, so thanks for all the help 17:18 no prob. priests and monks and knights are really all i have played 17:19 i started with priests. But monks can get basic in all the schools (casting poly at 0% fail like a wizard) 17:19 [hdf-us] [4k] honnor (zor) (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:786 17:19 But I played priests forever because I didn't want to deal with BUC and I liked the starting holy water.. I didn't realize how hard they are though. Because it was all i knew 17:20 kudos for getting so far with a priest. The early/mid game is pretty hard because they are lousy fighters until you get a real weapon 17:20 yeah, did a lot of yakety-saxing away 17:21 <@Shin Umbygashima> iunno, mace tends to be p. alright 17:21 having an alkys definitely helped 17:21 <@Shin Umbygashima> though I much prefer aklys 17:21 yeah that's new 17:22 I also got a touchstone pretty early, which meant I could formally identify gems, which meant got easy money, which meant I could buy lots of protection early on... 17:22 It's been an incredibly lucky run 17:22 also remove curse + multiple bones piles is OP haha 17:23 yeah i love remove curse 17:23 <@Togue the Toeist> priest with remove curse is op 17:23 i want to start a priest now lol 17:24 <@Togue the Toeist> whats yall char pick that gives that "feeling"? 17:25 [hdf-us] [4k] honnor (zor) (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:921 17:26 for me it was playing valk for a while and (naively) ignoring daggers at all, then trying a rogue and shotgunning everyone with daggers at expert 17:26 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 17:27 but any role where you go from squishy and terrible at combat to extremely powerful is what I like now 17:28 still haven't been able to get out of the early game as a wizard though 17:29 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:31 <@Togue the Toeist> ooh 17:31 <@Togue the Toeist> uncursed robe from monk bones bois 17:31 <@Togue the Toeist> mine are wizards 17:31 <@Togue the Toeist> specifically orcish 17:31 <@Togue the Toeist> they just... feel good 17:32 <@Togue the Toeist> same struggle here tbh 17:32 <@Togue the Toeist> we'll get outta there eventually 17:36 [hdf-us] [4k] honnor (zor) (Mon Hum Mal Law), 16539 points, T:1541, killed by a blast of fire 17:39 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 176 points, T:161, overpowered by a gnome 17:42 -!- Xaleth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:42 hekik: I struggle with wizard early game too. That's why I started playing monks. They are good fighters and end up being able to cast all the spells well 17:43 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 506 points, T:430, killed by a bolt of lightning 17:44 -!- Xaleth_ has joined #hardfought 17:45 <@Togue the Toeist> ill put my feelings where my mouth is and play wizards 17:59 -!- Hekik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00 !tell hothraxxa will do 18:00 K2: Message from hothraxxa at 2019-05-17 16:38 EDT: leave magicbane inventory cancellation in. it makes sense 18:00 No worries, K2, I've got this! 18:01 -!- winny has quit [Quit: bbl :)] 18:01 @luxidream you here 18:03 hmm did rld break again? 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16610 18:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:05 <@K2> hi 18:05 Hello @K2, Welcome to #hardfought 18:05 hi 18:05 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 18:05 ok its not broken 18:05 * K2 smacks @luxidream with the color purple 18:06 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:06 sup tonehack 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh4] hPR3 (disbtopia) (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 12724 points, T:781, poisoned by a little dart 18:09 [hdf-us] [un] nutterbutter (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Ardjawinangun on T:14812 18:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18578 18:14 [hdf-us] [slshm] zor (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4432 points, T:1770, killed by a soldier ant 18:15 -!- Mickmane has joined #hardfought 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:38189 18:15 Back already. :) 18:16 <@luxidream> hi 18:16 Hello @luxidream, Welcome to #hardfought 18:16 <@luxidream> wat 18:16 hehe 18:17 <@luxidream> why purple 18:17 what's purple?` 18:21 @luxidream which link was broken? 18:23 bbl 18:23 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1388 points, T:896, killed by a winter wolf 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a gecko, on T:23113 18:29 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 873 points, T:1148, killed by a dwarf 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 magicbane", on T:27746 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed Master Key of Thievery", on T:36408 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:30376 18:47 damn - Luxidream killing so fast, I can't tell what's happening 8^P 18:51 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:53 [hdf-us] [nh4] eWZD1 (disbtopia) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 31713 points, T:3128, killed by a gray unicorn 18:56 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:36570 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:35507 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:36622 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:36623 19:07 -!- hf_guest_11 has joined #hardfought 19:09 -!- hf_guest_11 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09 <@luxidream> I figured it out 19:10 <@luxidream> K2: I figured it out 19:10 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 boots of speed", on T:36627 19:10 <@luxidream> I'm playing right now sorry 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh4] Ted (taterbizkit) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 20579 points, T:614, killed by a little dog 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:36902 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36904 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8700 points, T:4977, killed by a sasquatch 19:23 I love cornuthaum (clairvoyance) - seems more useful than brilliance 19:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "+2 blessed greased fixed gray dragon scale mail", on T:3390 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:3570 19:28 <@Togue the Toeist> clairvoyance isnt that good tbh 19:28 <@Togue the Toeist> i might be biased as im taking 25% spell hunger penalty even at max int 19:29 I'm not fond of cornuthaum either. 19:29 or clairvoyance, actually 19:31 the clairvoyance from priests is pretty nice in gehennom 19:34 I'd find it more irritating than helpful. Either I have magic mapping, or I want to know where I've been and explore manually. 19:34 <@Tone> Yeah I always buy clairvoyance in votd 19:35 if i'm in gehennom all i care about is where the stairs are 19:36 I like to check loot, and dig paths from stair to stair. 19:36 <{Demo}2> !lotg 19:36 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, {Demo}2! 19:36 so even if I forget layout, I can see the path, plus, easier going from there to there 19:37 <{Demo}2> !le?elronnd 19:37 <{Demo}2> wait wrong thing 19:37 @le?elronnd 19:37 No such monster. 19:37 <{Demo}2> wild 19:37 <@Tone> Clairvoyance helps with that 19:38 nah, that just irritates me when I want to find my own path, or have magic mapping anyway 19:38 <@Togue the Toeist> !booze 19:38 * Beholder hands @Togue the Toeist a barrel of grappa, distilled by the /dev/null/oracle at 230 Kelvin. 19:38 besides, I'm talking about the way back up where I have the paths cleared 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:38028 19:39 <{Demo}2> ^^ 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38029 19:39 so you don't want to be able to see anything but the path to the stairs 19:39 on the way up, I want it cleared, 3 wide. On the way down, I want the loot. 19:41 diggin out the Gehennom Highway huh 19:41 yup 19:41 I'm not a fast player. 19:42 i dig out paths too but mine are just one square 19:43 and i don't care about looting Nom at all 19:43 so clearly we have different playstyles 19:43 yup 19:43 <@Togue the Toeist> yo 19:43 <@Togue the Toeist> theres an icebox literally filled with bodies in a shop here 19:44 <@Togue the Toeist> are said corpses in it fresh? 19:44 iceboxes are usually filled with bodie 19:44 *bodies 19:44 yes they are 19:44 they keep fresh forever while in there 19:45 <@Togue the Toeist> the weight accounts for all bodies inside of it? 19:45 yes 19:45 <@Togue the Toeist> oof 19:45 ice boxes weigh 900 lbs when empty anyway 19:46 <@Togue the Toeist> 10 str wizard dreams of getting 26 corpses to the altar in the level below 19:46 <@Togue the Toeist> ill pray to the RNG and use a wand of digging, hoping to fall on the alt 19:46 <@Togue the Toeist> lol 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5038 19:49 thank you for IDing which one was the luckstone Beholder ;) 19:49 <@Togue the Toeist> truth is in the eye of the beholder 19:50 -!- Elronnd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 170998 points, T:40364, killed by a captain 19:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Bar Vam Mal Cha), 135080 points, T:22362, killed by a priest of Moloch, while paralyzed by a monster 20:02 ouch 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 228 points, T:996, killed by a brown mold 20:12 [hdf-us] [nh4] Jed (taterbizkit) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 15936 points, T:1687, killed by a wand 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh4] Ed (taterbizkit) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1955 points, T:124, quit 20:18 crapola - no luck dipping for unholy water - gonna have to burn a wish 8^P 20:21 *cough*confusedblessedremovecurse*cough* 20:21 hothraxxa: Message from K2 at 2019-05-17 18:00 EDT: will do 20:21 hothraxxa: ty ^^ will try 20:22 it's a pain in the ass to do but it's better than using a wish 20:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:40061 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh4] Glog (taterbizkit) (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 25780 points, T:1225, killed by a dwarf 20:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:28 hothraxxa: DAMN - that really worked - I split 28 pots of water and ended up with 6/17/5 B/U/C - ty ^^ 20:29 hothraxxa: as an added bonus, I guess doing this wouldn't break atheist? 20:30 right 20:31 yeah that's the way to do it 20:32 i've wished for unholy water out of laziness though 20:33 find them in tombs a bunch too 20:33 yeah - out of bones is how I've gotten them (up 'til now) - but no bonez this game 20:34 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 20:34 if you name individual waters on the floor and then to the confused blessed rem curse it works better... some turn to holy water and some to unholy 20:34 it has the benefit of blessing the rest of your stuff for the run too 20:35 (which saves holy water) 20:36 best is to do it near an altar, obviously because the stuff all becomes un-BUC'd. Its real easy if you know remove curse at skilled and identify spell though 20:37 and it always leaves the non "uncursed" stuff alone. so it's not like it's going to curse your blessed unicorn horn or anything 20:37 if it's safe i just drop everything but the potions 20:38 right 20:38 need the inventory slots anyway 20:38 I hid in an alcove, wizard-locked myself in, dropped everything, and split the water into 28 piles using #adjust. Next time, I may include some items which could benefit from blessing/cursing. 20:39 i used to drop everything. But usually if I am doing that, I can mass uncurse with the spell so i just do it and then cast rem curse (or read a non confused blessed rem curse) and you get the holy effect. 20:39 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:45536 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:39037 20:43 time to poly-for-some-tshirts 20:46 yeah, don't be wishing for those 20:46 funny how such a simple thing like T-shirt is such a huge thing in NH though 20:48 hehe 20:49 <@Togue the Toeist> YAPI 20:50 <@Togue the Toeist> you can wear more than one shirt 20:50 what's the 'P'? 20:50 <@Togue the Toeist> but put more than two and you cant other kinds of armor over it 20:50 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:50 <@Togue the Toeist> 'patch' 20:50 ah :) 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:39346 20:56 4 poly's and no shirt yet (just buncha mithril and a slippery cloak) - gonna keep trying 20:56 I did 4 piles of 4 - any suggestions for a better distribution for improved chances? 20:57 do it in ludios or castle 20:57 why? 20:57 30 pile page of junk armor will get you a t shirt 20:57 aye - in castle atm 20:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:58 oh, that's why :) 20:58 rebatela: I should stack 'em higher? 20:58 i was just saying at the choke point in ludios or the castle where everyone dies there's usually pages of armor piled up 20:59 ah - ic ^^ - ok - 5th poly worked 21:00 what does the shirt say ? 21:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:39413 21:01 I can't believe this is my friday night (maybe that's what a t-shirt should say) 21:01 in vanilla, are there messages? I didn't c anything 21:01 yeah 21:01 read it 21:01 it's almost like an easter egg because it's not intuitve to read a shirt 21:02 (says it when you ascend tho) 21:02 uh... ...r says You don't have anything to read. 21:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:02 hit * 21:03 or whatever to read other things.. 21:03 i can't think of how to do i t 21:03 just says Hawaiian shirt under * 21:03 oh ok 21:03 hawaiian shirts are just hawaiian 21:03 I think you need a plain t-shirt for the text 21:04 no difference otherwise 21:04 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:45859 21:05 NICE!!!! 21:05 lol 21:05 good ol evil anhur 21:05 it's probably +5 or something 21:06 is magicbane still the weapon of choice for wizards in evil hack? 21:06 it's what i'm using 21:06 what class did you ascend ? wiz? 21:06 healer? 21:06 i like the curse protection 21:07 gnome healer 21:07 nice 21:07 my first ever ascension was a gnome healer and i have always liked it best 21:08 oh wow 21:08 3.43? 21:08 yeah 21:08 it was my 12th game ever 21:09 dang - fireball spell is nasty 21:09 wow 21:11 only lvl 4 spell i ever cast is det treasure. i've honestly never tried those attack spells. 21:13 i think i tried that fireball spell and burnt myself and never went back 21:13 yeah, I don#t like fireball either. 21:13 I like loot 21:14 ok hold on 21:14 you ascended 3.4.3 as a gnome healer in your 12th game ever? 21:14 like with this username? 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:37763 21:15 i played rogue>hack>nh tens of thousands of times probably before i ascended 21:16 350 non-cheating wizards here, roughly, before my first ascension (330 or something was that) 21:16 I never ascended a cheated char though, just went to Earth and then thought, ok, can play normally now (I think it was Earth) 21:16 yeah... well back in the day there was no internet. it used to be legend about whether anyone had ascended ( i was playing hack in the 80s) 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:37871 21:17 i'm having trouble buying the 12th time playing 3.4.3 i ascended thing still 21:17 In the 80s, I saw a computer in the public library, and didn't know what to do with it. :) 21:17 @luxidream good deal 21:17 rogue was one of the first games i played 21:17 when i was like 6 or 7 21:17 loved it... it's all we had 21:18 this is like '87. and played hack right after that. whenever it came out 21:18 thought it was so funny that you had a pet now 21:18 hehe, nice! 21:18 I played some Angband in the early 90s, flatmate had it. I didn't know what roguelikes were. 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:38393 21:19 Then got to nethack around 2000. 21:19 my older brother was big in to angband... no one ever talks about it on here 21:19 flatmate got me into contact with computers! 21:19 [hdf-us] [slex] rcfox (Drd Lol Fem Cha), 1271 points, T:1496, killed by a monster (sylph) 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:38403 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:38404 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] rdplatypus (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 216 points, T:3360, killed by a kobold 21:20 played a lot of moria too growing up (which is i think is what angband is based off of) 21:20 I never won angband, don't even know what you have to do to win (might have forgotten, but I just remember some scroll to drag loot back home). 21:20 I don't know that. 21:20 I took a peek at Adom early 2000s, after Nethack, Slashem, and Crawl, I think, but wasn't happy with it. 21:21 <@luxidream> what's wrong with adom? 21:21 Crawl was fun 21:21 <@luxidream> never played it 21:21 I don't think there's anything wrong with it, I just got lost in the world with all the different dungeons to enter. 21:21 so I didn't play much :) 21:22 I remember getting nethack 'spoilers' pre internet from ftp sites 21:22 hah, cool 21:22 <{Demo}2> how grey is ur hair? 21:22 teaching how to rob from shops and stuff.. but there's no way you would know how to ascend and everything 21:22 I only had Usenet, through a fidonet/usenet gateway back then, friendly people sent me spoilers. :) 21:22 i JUST turned 40 21:22 don't give me a hard time 21:22 lol 21:22 there's gottta be people older than me here 21:23 <{Demo}2> oh 21:23 no gray hair 21:23 yeah, I'm 47 21:23 <{Demo}2> good work 21:23 <{Demo}2> grey hair == fun hair 21:23 does dull mouse gray blond (not old age gray) count? 21:23 i'm just having trouble believing hothraxxa ascended on his 12th game 21:23 even in 2019 spoiled 21:23 lol 21:24 seems like a strange thing to lie about, so I guess I'll belive him 21:24 <{Demo}2> hothraxxa is an elder god 21:24 i was spoiled. i read the maniac's ascension guide 21:25 The rumor is they are completely eliminating the stethoscope from the next version of vanilla 21:25 what? why!? 21:25 * hothraxxa smells a troll 21:25 lol 21:25 couldn't resist ;) 21:26 the group of players i was playing with couldn't believe it either 21:26 it's impressive 21:26 there were about 8 of us and the farthest anyone had gotten was the castle 21:27 well see, that's the way everyone played before the wiki/spoilers... Group playing and sharing and usenet obviously 21:27 but it was like mythical for a long time whether anyone had ascended at all... obviously reading the code was a big part of it 21:27 rebatela: wtf - no stetho?!?! 21:27 well there were spoilers around 21:27 but nothing compared to the wiki 21:27 eraserhead97: just joking 21:28 rebatela: scared me for a moment there 8^P 21:28 i used steelypips 21:28 yep!! 21:28 i was just cautious and read everything 21:28 i played these games growing up but i only ascended like a year or 2 ago 21:29 i still suck. I'm in awe at some of y'all 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:40082 21:30 !who 21:30 eraserhead97: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh362] rdplatypus [nh362] Luxidream [nh362] hothraxxa [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:30 !asc 21:30 eraserhead97: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 has ascended 14 times in 282 games (4.96%): nh362:14 (5.15%) 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed amulet of reflection", on T:10781 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:39603 21:34 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "cursed greased magic marker", on T:39931 21:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:42 I've just never used the stethocope. maybe that's why i suck? 21:43 i need to figure that out 21:43 <@Togue the Toeist> on what? 21:44 stetho ROCKS - besides the obvious checking out monsters, you can use it on pets (for healing), on yourself for a poor man's enlightenment, or on walls for secret doors 21:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1917 points, T:1433, quit 21:45 oh i know 21:45 * NCommander returns 21:45 * NCommander just gave a talk on security failures on video game consoles 21:45 and it takes no turns 21:46 omg - gremlins on Juiblex 21:46 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:49 I'm confused. I am looking at curses interface, and now can't getr rid of the perminvent 21:49 or the popup menu for inventory, which is a bit narrow for my taste 21:51 <@Togue the Toeist> you get one free stetho check per turn actually 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:40130 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:40132 21:52 <@Togue the Toeist> also really damn fine for ridding a gnome of a mithril coat 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class c, on T:40169 21:52 i know. it's awesome 21:52 how? 21:52 <@Togue the Toeist> how what 21:53 how to rid a gnome off a mithril coat with stethoscope 21:53 not a fan of elbereth either. I just wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed it 21:53 <@Togue the Toeist> you check if they got it 21:53 <@Togue the Toeist> then you proceed to choose your method of killing him 21:53 oh, does it say, or do you assume by AC? 21:53 at some point 21:53 <@Togue the Toeist> assuming by AC 21:53 <@luxidream> it's nice to check if enemies have positively enchanted equipment too 21:53 elbereth was made less useful in 3.6 from what I know 21:54 <@luxidream> an AC 7 dwarf probably has a +1 iron shoes 21:54 <@Togue the Toeist> AC 5 or lower has mithril 21:54 <@Togue the Toeist> 4 actually i think 21:54 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 21:54 hi all... 21:54 shadowcat: Message from raisse at 2018-12-12 10:02 EDT: excellent bones with SDSM! 21:54 <@Togue the Toeist> yea 4 21:54 <@luxidream> mithril ones usually have around AC 0 21:55 <@Togue the Toeist> hello 21:55 Hello @Togue the Toeist, Welcome to #hardfought 21:55 <@luxidream> anything above that probably has a full set of shield, cloak, helm, boots 21:55 i meant i wouldn't be surprised if the stehoscope changes too (a la elbereth) 21:55 ah 21:55 <@Togue the Toeist> same point, AC assumptions 21:57 how do I get rid of perminvent with curses menu? 21:57 people can hate on me for saying it or call me a troll or whatever. But the powers that be look at the people who are dominating the game, and using a tool maybe the way it wasn't intended? It's bound to change 21:57 that's all i was saying 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:13225 21:57 <@luxidream> what's so bad about the stethoscope? 21:57 nothing 21:58 what does someone 'dominating the game' have to do with some player at home? 21:58 omh 21:58 omg 21:58 no one here knows about the curses interface? 21:58 <@luxidream> mickmane 21:59 i'm just saying it seems if people rely on something they change it. I'm just commenting on what i've seen them do and speculating 21:59 <@luxidream> removes OPTIONS=perm_invent 21:59 <@luxidream> from rcfile 21:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grandolar (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 482 points, T:1609, killed by a rabid rat 21:59 I did, # in front didn't do it, an ! in front of perm_invent didn't do it. 22:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided disenchanter, on T:40609 22:00 and this isn't exactly 'players at home'. this is the nethack community 22:00 can't get rid of the popuwindow either 22:01 not everyone's here. 22:01 <@luxidream> I commented it out it works it got rid of perm_invent for me 22:01 weird 22:01 maybe I have it somewhere else in the config and forgot about it... 22:01 <@Togue the Toeist> if they changed stuff people rely on they would change unihorns 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40707 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40709 22:02 ummm all the variant developers are most certainly here. the vanilla developers are certainly here too. i think the stethoscope is overpowered. i can't be the only one . i don't care, but i'm speculating that maybe someone does 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41126 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 1044 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:41134 22:03 just kidding on a friday night 22:03 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mickmane/slex/Mickmane.slexrc 22:04 * Mickmane shakes head. 22:05 <@luxidream> might want to ask amy 22:05 <@luxidream> but it's working in vanilla 22:05 will do 22:05 i have 2 weeks to learn to play variants 22:06 not looking good 22:06 i'm going to be a junethack voyeur i think 22:06 <@Togue the Toeist> how vladsbane-y would be wielding a meat stick 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:41572 22:07 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 22:08 <@luxidream> try killing vlad with that in 3.6 22:08 <@luxidream> see how far you get 22:09 i rubber chicken him these days 22:09 damn - Demo 22:09 i love when vlad and orcus are close enough that i can get them with the same c corpse 22:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:42224 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grandolar (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 267 points, T:986, killed by a gas spore's explosion 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:41088 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:42375 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:41092 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:42476 22:13 <@luxidream> maybe I should toss him a wand next time 22:13 <@luxidream> he seemed to do himself in very quickly with that wand of cold 22:14 lol 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:46503 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43949 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:43956 22:24 -!- Guthix has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:44249 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 water walking boots", on T:16731 22:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:44403 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:44405 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:16923 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:45584 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:46287 22:35 so i'm on a level i've never seen before - it's just passages, no rooms. is there anything special about this level? 22:36 are you under medusa or under the valley of the dead? 22:36 under medusa 22:36 !asc 22:36 eraserhead97: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 has ascended 14 times in 282 games (4.96%): nh362:14 (5.15%) 22:36 a maze then, be prepared to see a lot more of those 22:37 [hdf-us] [un] nutterbutter (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Izchak on T:15981 22:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:47235 22:37 I don't remember anything special about mazes, or do they have minotaurs more often? 22:40 r - [ a mecha-irazu {10} 22:40 Whatever the hell it is, it's made of plastic and covers your head. 22:40 what is that? 22:40 (slex) 22:41 rebatela: xNethack is a good variant to play. Noticable changes are: Wands of wishing disintegrate after last charge used and can't be recharded. Fortunately, there's a few guaranteed. Also, no spellbook of identify :( 22:41 but it prompts if you want to hit with a weapon after your score reaches 2000 (I think). That's awesome for monks who want to ascend weaponless. No accidental pickaxeing 22:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided cobra, on T:47691 22:42 It's pretty easy to ascend in xnh. 22:42 !asc xnh 22:42 bouquet: [hdf-us] bouquet has ascended xnethack 15 times in 149 games (10.07%): 1xArc 1xHea 1xKni 1xMon 2xPri 2xRan 3xRog 4xWiz, 2xElf 4xGno 8xHum 1xOrc, 3xLaw 6xNeu 6xCha, 1xMal 14xFem. | [hdf-eu] No ascensions for bouquet in xnethack. | [hdf-au] No ascensions for bouquet in xnethack. 22:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:47743 22:44 Amy, my pet dragged a corpse onto a bit of farmland in a shop, I kicked it, and was promptly charged for it, even though it was still lying on the floor, ready to be bought. 22:44 (I was charged after it came loose.) 22:44 This blatant advertisement for xNethack brought to you by AOS brand licorice ropes! 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:47836 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:47907 22:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1750490 points, T:47933, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1558127269.nh.txt 22:47 grats luxidream! 22:47 <@Togue the Toeist> luxi the madman 22:47 <@luxidream> thanks 22:47 what happenes if I dig into a shop from outside? 22:48 congrats! 22:48 <@Togue the Toeist> you pay for the wall you destroyed 22:48 so, i've made level 14. should i go on the quest or should i get more xp first/ 22:48 <@Togue the Toeist> congrats luxi! 22:48 <@Togue the Toeist> what role are you? 22:49 valk - law human 22:49 <@Togue the Toeist> got levitation? 22:49 <@luxidream> don't do it if you don't have MR or reflection 22:49 <@Togue the Toeist> and preferably levitation, right? 22:49 Wonder what a wall costs in slex... 22:49 no, not yet. i have gdsm and amulet of reflection 22:50 <@luxidream> it's fine without levitation 22:50 <@luxidream> just don't misinput 22:50 <@luxidream> at all 22:50 <@Togue the Toeist> and careful with the drawbridges 22:50 what do you mean, misinput? 22:50 hi 22:50 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 22:50 wasn't th- was about to ask, wasn't there a drawbridge. 22:50 <@luxidream> lava? water? 22:50 <@Togue the Toeist> those kill more people than actual Lord Surtur 22:50 don't msistep/accidentally 22:50 <@luxidream> show some respect 22:50 <@luxidream> lord surtur has killed me before 22:50 <@luxidream> in a straight up fight too 22:50 i have water walking boots....i don't know if those work for lava, though. 22:51 <@Togue the Toeist> drawbridges are scarier than any enemy 22:51 shadowcat they will if you fireproof them 22:51 oh, i don't have any kind of instrument. 22:51 <@Togue the Toeist> theyre just waiting for you to step on them 22:51 <@luxidream> there's no passtune 22:51 <@luxidream> you have to break them 22:51 <@Togue the Toeist> then your luck loops to -2 billion 22:51 when you destroy the drawbridge (striking works), stand at least an extra step away from it 22:51 <@Togue the Toeist> and something zaps a wand of striking 22:51 <@Togue the Toeist> yea 22:51 <@Togue the Toeist> else it opens and kills you 22:53 anyone here know a bit about slex? I'm back to that farmland in that shop, keeping me from stuff! 22:53 I can't walk past or across it. 22:53 <@luxidream> ask amy 22:53 my pets can, but they don't seem inclined to clean up behind it 22:53 I did, I think she said something about forcing, but not sure. 22:54 didn't work so far 22:56 Do we get experience (and points toward the final score) every time we kill a rider? 22:57 If so, a wizard could camp astral and repeatedly fod the riders and get a huge score. 22:58 <@luxidream> rider farming used to be a thing, I think it gives diminishing score returns now though 23:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 129939 points, T:20372, killed by a minotaur 23:00 DAMN. my best game ever. stupid minotaur. 23:00 aw man 23:01 but hey, you got that far, you'll get there again! 23:01 dang. I was going to suggest getting your HP up if you have the resources. 23:01 this is the farthest i've ever gotten in the almost 30 years i've been playing. 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 34 points, T:219, killed by a fox 23:01 <@luxidream> got you on the way to quest? 23:02 i wasn't at the quest yet. i was trying to get through the maze to go up to the next level. 23:03 shoulda used one of my wands of death. :P 23:03 <@luxidream> you'd need levitation to make it back anyway 23:03 <@luxidream> at least by walking, that is 23:04 i had a potion of levitation and a wand of wishing...although i don't knwo if i could have recharged it. 23:04 <@luxidream> once you're at 1:0 you have 1 more wish 23:05 ah well. think it might be time to head out for now. tomorrow's a new day! 23:05 see you :) 23:05 <@luxidream> night 23:05 thanks for your help! 23:05 looking forward to your imminent ascension 23:05 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:05 -!- shadowcat has quit [] 23:06 wth... slex, lol (weird thing I found "Artifact specs: Your penis gains magic resistance if you wear this, and your 23:06 remaining body does too." 23:07 now how do I wear a tool? 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:42274 23:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:10 "The condome named Penis Safety comes loose. You hear flowing water." 23:15 bouquet: yeah I'm fine with no spbk of identify 23:15 (although I love having it !!! lol) 23:15 honestly the first role i played forever was priest and i used to start scum to star with the identify spell 23:16 <@Togue the Toeist> lol 23:16 but i never learned the game!! much of which is learning to identify 23:16 now I try not to even use identify scrolls. i do everytning i can i do figure out what's what. so i can just dilute and blank what i know is garbage 23:16 but that's how you learn the game 23:17 <@Togue the Toeist> yea 23:18 then you play evil hack and the shopkeepers are racist and price id is a whole new game lol 23:18 slex has no pric-id and id itself doesn't work properly (and altars vanish after too much buc testing),... maybe you'd like that 23:18 stuff can resist identify. some shopkeepers may offer the service of id'ing stuff, but not unlimited. 23:19 you play a lot of slex? i 23:19 no 23:19 i've always wanted to get into it 23:19 2nd game ever 23:19 i have so much respect for amy/slex 23:19 first, I ended up in some space base at turn 1 and died soon 23:19 i always PLAN to play all these variants 23:19 <@Togue the Toeist> im sticking to vanilla for the time being 23:19 oh, sure there's a ton of work put into it, and plenty nifty things, but I like id. 23:19 yeah it's overwhelming 23:19 <@Togue the Toeist> gotta learn atleast most of it 23:20 not having proper id is just tedious... 23:23 Mickmane: I stopped playing slex after I encoutered a UI screw. Felt like it got personal. 23:24 yeah, I don't like the idea either. 23:25 i'm kinda torn on the "Are you sure you want to hit with the pickaxe" ? thing... I mean, that's what makes the conduct hard in vanilla 23:25 <@Togue the Toeist> oh boi 23:25 (talking about xnethack) 23:25 and i've told aosdict the same 23:25 <@Togue the Toeist> 4k turns got meself mojo 23:25 <@Togue the Toeist> also, on that weaponless, does hitting with a cream pie count? 23:25 but everyone watches me hit with a pickaxe thousands of turns in every day. I just don't care about the conduct 23:26 BUT if you're going for the conduct, you need to stash the pickaxe 23:28 I think my whining about it may have pushed him over the edge to put it in. 23:28 I think the debate about hitting with a wielded weapon could go both ways. 23:29 I totally get it that it's part of the challenge of playing carefully. 23:30 <@luxidream> it's like saying that not falling in the water is part of the challenge in vanilla 23:30 <@Togue the Toeist> i think that is kinda like it allowing you to know what an item feels like so you identify it on a zen 23:30 <@luxidream> and that you're a bad player if you fall in the water 23:30 <@luxidream> that is not really the same at all 23:30 i'm against that too 23:30 if you step into the water or lava you get wet or die or whatever 23:30 period 23:30 that's nethack 23:31 but sometimes I'm playing drunk! 23:31 same 23:31 lol 23:31 <@luxidream> OK, but we all play nethack differently 23:31 Are you Sure you want to eat the cockatrice meat? 23:31 where do you draw the line? 23:31 actually, my most common YASDs are when I'm tired. I often save right before going to the planes if it's late. Pick up the game in the morning. 23:32 my thing with the lava, why have lava if it's going to prompt you? It's just decoration 23:32 ? 23:32 <@luxidream> no one steps into water and blanks all their stuff on purpose, it's a common mistake, unlike eating cockatrice meat 23:32 I think aosdict has said as much that xnh is for experimenting with things like the wielded weapon stop. 23:33 nethack has always been an F U instadeath type game. It's like the epitome of that kind of game. That's why some of that stuff will never change in vanilla 23:33 I'm still going to try to ascend a monk in vanilla. I've #quit at the endgame a few times because I screwed up with a pickaxe. 23:33 of course people step into water deliberately to blank stuff, they just drop some they don't want to get wet first. 23:33 dywypi? 23:33 <@luxidream> then that's fine. I'm just saying it's more enjoyable for me to get a prompt before I misinput 23:33 <@luxidream> that's all 23:33 that's supposed to hurt and be a shock. You're looking at your inventory and you can't believe it. That's nethack 23:34 I love that feeling. 23:34 i understand 23:34 walk more carefully then ;P 23:34 not sure if I want a prompt or not 23:34 Imagine people going their entire lives without experiencing the shock of a blanked/diluted inventory. Sad! 23:35 or just playing too fast and you can slimed or stoned or do something stupid and you're looking at your stuff all formally identified. it's such a kick in the nuts 23:35 gah, been chatting too long it seems, game saved? 23:35 I hope 23:35 I added a line to my curses config to highlight in ORANGE anything that's wielded so I won't accidentally use it. 23:36 phew, saved! 23:36 so many instadeaths withi cockatrices over the years. 23:37 But that's the tradeoff for how powerful a weapon it is 23:38 [hdf-us] [un] nutterbutter (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Fagersta on T:17504 23:41 <@Togue the Toeist> best thing is that shock 23:41 <@Togue the Toeist> where the moment you press a key or do something 23:41 <@Togue the Toeist> the thing which you shouldve done comes to your mind 23:42 <@Togue the Toeist> and you can just watch it happen 23:42 yeah 23:42 <@luxidream> that's the feeling when you see more than one page of battle spam 23:42 paging through your inventory wondering how you died. Oh shit. I forgot to put my gloves back on 23:46 I keep getting the message "it rattles noisily!" on occasion, not that often, but I wonder what it means 23:46 in slex 23:49 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52 -!- Elronnd has joined #hardfought 23:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1733 points, T:2487, quit 23:57 I think it's time for bed, good night. :) 23:58 -!- Mickmane has quit [] 23:58 K2: Just noticed that you said hello like 6 hours ago 23:58 How's it going 23:59 ;) 23:59 going alright, you? 23:59 Pretty good 23:59 Work has been keeping me busy 23:59 Weekend is here though :) 23:59 \o/