00:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Val Hum Fem Neu), 163190 points, T:24937, quit 00:02 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:03 die arch-lich, die! 00:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:08 <@Shin Umbygashima> tfw you have unusual trouble killing a dwarf 00:08 <@Shin Umbygashima> then find out he had +5 shoes on 00:08 <@Shin Umbygashima> and +1 DMC 00:09 <@Shin Umbygashima> the fuck was this god dwarf 00:09 ya - usually it's mithril - but actually, that's more common than +5 shoes 00:09 in the mines, when I run into an uber-dwarf, I usually back off and return with a wand 00:09 <@Shin Umbygashima> My AC was already decent though 00:09 <@Shin Umbygashima> I just couldn't hit him for shit 00:10 <@Shin Umbygashima> And then I'd finally killed him and BUC tested stuff to see what I keep and pawn 00:10 <@Shin Umbygashima> bam, +5 iron shoes 00:11 <@Shin Umbygashima> Also have what I'm p. sure is brilliance helm from earlier shop 00:11 <@Shin Umbygashima> Just no enchantment yet 00:11 <@Shin Umbygashima> All I know is I'll be pissed if I lose this rogue 00:12 <@shadowsapex> It's okay 00:12 <@shadowsapex> It's the circle of life 00:13 -!- bobbyd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:13 god, I luv teleportation wand! so versatile 00:14 <@Shin Umbygashima> I have two now 00:14 <@Shin Umbygashima> saved my ass a couple of times this run 00:14 <@Shin Umbygashima> I should actually find Soko on that note 00:15 <@Shin Umbygashima> low on permafood/don't want the zoo at the top to become literal hell because of my level 00:15 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 00:17 go away, nurse... ...no time to play Dr. now - gotta get into Wiz Tower 00:26 I wonder if Vorpal is better than Frostie vs Liches 00:28 <@kriptospicebox> from a lore perspective pretty sure some liches are just floating heads 00:28 <@kriptospicebox> so nothing to decapitate 00:29 <@kriptospicebox> jk, basically all liches are cold resistant though, so vorpal would probably be better? 00:30 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 00:36 yeah - I'll try vorpal 00:36 right now I'm almost screwed inside wiz's tower (zoo) 00:36 I have No Free Hands 00:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:37 and I still have my levitation ring on 00:37 so I can go back down 00:37 * NCommander rises from the dead 00:37 no #pray'ing in wiz tower 00:38 I think I'll try dropping everything except a /oCancellation and apply it 00:39 but I prolly have to kill these two L's first 00:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh4] WII4 (disbtopia) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 43645 points, T:5794, killed by a pony 00:43 ok my Frostie is now +0, but that worked - whew! close one! hate them Liches 8^P 00:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:57 @riker you can still use crystal balls to find traps. 00:57 !who 00:57 bouquet: [hdf-us] Bugpowder [evil] eraserhead97 [nh362] disbtopia [nh4] NCommander [slex] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Ran Cen Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an opera cloak, on T:7632 00:59 ooooh I have a good strategy for evil sokoban 01:01 There is new loot in evil, one behind each door. But doors seal when you pick one loot up. I teleported a boulder into the treasure zoo room. Broke down one door. pushed boulder onto the broken door square. then picked up different loot 01:01 wall sealing did not replace the boulder 01:01 :) 01:05 next time, I'm gonna wish for geno scrolls if they don't show up - L's are too much of an headache, unless I have MB 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3175 01:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:3870 01:28 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had a silver dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:4346 01:29 H2x0r 01:34 You read: "gargor, killed by colliding with the ceiling". 01:39 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 01:42 does polypiling work on blank spellbooks or scrolls? 01:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:46 eraserhead97: yes 01:46 gah, found a ghost but no bones pile 01:46 ty 01:47 oh I think I chased the ghost upstairs earlier 01:47 downstairs there's a bones pile and a hungry cat 01:48 will ^O show you which level the bones are on? 01:48 yes 01:58 morning NCommander! *fleece bundle* I updated my slex LP thread just now! ♥ 01:59 LarienTelrunya, neat, I'm running through the lower mines. 01:59 Not sure if I'm at mine's end yet 01:59 yeah I'm watching :) 01:59 this is the rocky rampage mines end 01:59 So there's a healthstone and a luckstone on this level, right? 01:59 uhh there's a whole lot of gray stones on this level 01:59 and also quite many golems 02:00 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 02:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:39068 02:00 LarienTelrunya, that's going to be exciting to figure out what's what 02:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:39068 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:39069 02:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:01 NCommander: heh, for starters, don't pick up any that are cursed ;) 02:03 LarienTelrunya, I thought healthstones were always genned cursed 02:04 NCommander: they are, but most of the gray stones here are loadstones 02:04 you should #name the gray stones you just picked up, to see if any others on the ground will share their name 02:05 or I guess if you manage to ID the stones, that works too 02:06 yay 02:06 Found the luckstone 02:07 congratulations on getting your second trophy! 02:07 by the way, there's a level below this one if you can find the stair :D 02:07 LarienTelrunya, so isn't there another level down? 02:07 there is 02:07 ninja'd 02:07 the stair is in that one cranny you didn't explore ;) 02:08 coordinates are about 20,2 02:08 i.e. if you leave the area with the many gray stones and then turn northwest at that one lone boulder 02:08 Found it 02:08 let's see if you can take out Ruggo! doing so will give another trophy 02:09 THis is the gnome king level, right? 02:09 yeah 02:09 LarienTelrunya, anything special to know about him? 02:09 * NCommander is going to save and get breakfast 02:10 NCommander: well he usually has a whole lot of other gnomes with him, and spawns with a random wand and a scroll of root password detection 02:11 that's slightly scary 02:11 * NCommander has a single cursed teleport scroll 02:11 Anyway, food, and we'll see if I can take out Ruggo 02:13 it's been a while since he last had a dangerous wand; in my games he almost never has attack wands, although I've seen him with wands of cancellation on occasion 02:13 which wouldn't do much to you, considering you have MR ;) 02:26 LarienTelrunya, I was rereading part of the LP when you accidently got canceled and forgot to wish for MR 02:26 oh was that the one where I quaffed that goddamn potion? 02:35 LarienTelrunya, yeah 02:35 * NCommander had tasty strawberry danishes 02:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:42 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:44 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 02:46 LarienTelrunya, Ruggo levelported out, but I'm clearing out the rest of the level first 02:46 NCommander: yeah he does that if you don't kill him quickly enough ;) 02:46 maybe you'll find him on the way back up 02:47 LarienTelrunya, priests don't do great with DPS 02:47 oh, with a +5 bow at expert skill they can :D 02:51 NCommander: why don't you put the gold away first 02:51 if you get unlucky, the throne deletes all gold you have out in the open! 02:51 so, I see we've got quarterbacks. Hopefully they have tackle resistance and can catch projectiles. 02:52 heh, IIRC I did give the quarterback resistance to trample attacks, and they can kick walls, trees etc. without injuring their legs ;) 02:53 and what good is a quarterback if he can't toss the amulet of yendor to a pet over pesty's head 02:54 so the pet can ascend? 02:54 uhh why would you want to do that? also, the amulet won't leave your inventory in slex, or at least not of your own volition 02:55 because you're hemmed in but your pet is not 02:55 maybe make it a remote equipment transfer technique 02:55 usable if your pet is in sight 02:56 also comes in handy for amulets of life saving 02:56 or magic breathing 02:57 the one amulet you want to give to your pets in slex is, of course, data storage :D 02:57 yeah, that one as well 02:59 [hdf-us] [slex] NCommander(NCommander) (Pri Ang Mal Law) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:9914 02:59 also, they should get a technique to push aside monsters 02:59 maybe even displace them 03:00 woot 03:01 there is a spell that allows the player to displace monsters 03:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:01 because sometimes, you see dual threat quarterbacks 03:03 although it's somewhat uncommon it seems 03:04 Ok, inventory cleaned up 03:05 * NCommander debates what to do next 03:06 well... make your way down the main dungeon and start searching for the quests? 03:06 at this point you generally enter slex's midgame slog, or at least I normally do 03:17 LarienTelrunya, yeah, not that much different from vanilla in that regard 03:17 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:17 you could buy a major consultation from the oracle to get +INT ;) 03:17 LarienTelrunya, let me see if I have enough gold 03:18 LarienTelrunya, don't want the Internet Oracle one since that probably isn't good for me 03:18 internet oracle? IIRC you get the NP theorem if you try to cheat her 03:19 not sure actually how to get the woodchuck one 03:19 ZOT! 03:19 but yeah, if you have 2000 or so gold in the open, you should be fine :) 03:19 LarienTelrunya, I thought you got Internet Oracle if you didn't have enough gold which is based on XP. I don't think I ever bought a consultation before. Did you change the pricing in SLEX? 03:20 aw, no Beholder announcement 03:21 what should it have annoucned? 03:21 nah the pricing is vanilla 03:24 "...it is rather disconcerting to be confronted with the following theorem from [Baker, Gill, and Solovay, 1975]. Theorem 7.18 There exist recursive languages A and B such that (1) P(A) == NP(A), and", " (2) P(B) != NP(B) This provides impressive evidence that the techniques that are currently available will not suffice for proving that P != NP or that P == NP." [Garey and Johnson, p. 185.] 03:24 ^^ is what you get if you try to get a major consultation without enough gold 03:24 my kitten just killed and ate another kitten 03:25 before I could tame it 03:25 NCommander: omg eat the brain eater! it can increase INT! 03:27 "You dream that you feel feverish" <-- never had that one before 03:27 died before I could wake up 03:33 ugh, why can't I damage this auroa bomber 03:33 I have a +3 unihorn 03:34 NCommander: your weapon attack damages him alright, but the angel's extra attacks always count as +0 no matter what you do 03:34 Oh 03:34 LarienTelrunya, that message is really misleading 03:34 why? it says exactly what happens :P if you get that message, it means that, well, your attack did no damage (but it's only for that exact attack) 03:35 also there's a 1 in 3 chance that an attack with insufficient enchantment will damage the target anyway, so in theory you can also kill the aurora bomber with a +0 weapon; it just takes much longer 03:36 LarienTelrunya, it's wasn't clear that some of my attacks were working vs. none of them. 03:36 ah 03:36 * NCommander decides to locate the down stair, and then burn out some wands of create monster 03:37 oh, sacfesting in the hopes of getting an artifact? 03:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:40 LarienTelrunya, more looking for luck. 03:40 LarienTelrunya, haven't seen a unicorn this game 03:41 what's with that cursed figurine of a white unicorn? 03:41 does that still exist or was it a previous run? 03:42 LarienTelrunya, previous run 03:42 also, in slex it generally takes more effort to gain luck: gems thrown to unicorns give less luck on average, and four-leaf clovers are a lot more rare 03:42 plus luck still times out with a luckstone, the timeout is just 10 times slower 03:43 that said, sacfesting can still be worth it because you may get an artifact, although the chance of that is also lower 03:45 Ugh, elf corpse 03:45 I want to eat it for sleep resistance but I'm satiruated :( 03:45 you automatically have intrinsic sleep res as an angel 03:48 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 03:49 LarienTelrunya, program in disorder 03:49 NCommander: yeah I'm seeing it... what the hell 03:49 LarienTelrunya, sacced a stoning eye 03:50 LarienTelrunya, ... I'm guessing that wasn't something I was supposed to sac 03:50 or was that just a bug? 03:50 if its program in disorder then its probably a bug lol 03:50 alright so it's a bug; it is definitely supposed to be something you're not supposed to sac, but the error message shouldn't have happened 03:50 or actually 03:50 * stennowork remembers missingno 03:51 this is because of the kludgy way in which I implemented this monster 03:51 it always counts as the player's race, but apparently some part of code needs to know its actual race, which wasn't set, hence the error message 03:51 LarienTelrunya, damn, I probably just nuked my alignment record and pissed off my god 03:52 NCommander: yeah, that's 3 points of divine anger if I read the source right 03:52 LarienTelrunya, crud. It wasn't clear that wasn't somethign safe to sac :( 03:52 yeah; to be fair, I would've fallen for that particular one too 03:52 At least my alignment is ok, (stephoscope says I'm piously aligned) 03:53 the stoaning eye is intended to be cruel like that, because it's an evilvariant monster 03:53 fair 03:53 sorta 03:53 in the case of doubt, the idea came from jonadab and read something like "EPI: floating eyes turn you to stone when touched and trying to offer their corpses anger the gods." 03:53 * NCommander doesn't worry about it 03:54 Shouldn't I get gifted a stone statue of $GOD 03:54 :) 03:54 your god also has some very weird name, Asgorre Dreamurr or something? I wonder who the other two gods are 03:54 It's from Undertale 03:55 Not sure what role it's from 03:55 ah, I never played that 03:55 probably a bonus pantheon; slex has a whole bunch of those specific for the priest role to randomly choose from 03:55 i.e. pantheons that don't belong to any specific role 03:55 neat 03:56 huh, what happened to the cloak? 03:57 LarienTelrunya, I switched it out 03:57 ah I see 03:57 I had a "oR 03:57 and probably using the reflection amulet now 03:58 and this is a cloak of invisibility 03:58 I see a black unicorn to sac :) 03:58 heh, not sure if it's high-level enough to mollify the gods but if you can get the corpse back in time, it's worth a shot 03:59 ... could it be that your previous sacrifice turned the altar chaotic? 03:59 also wtf why is there a Jubilex next to you? 03:59 don't sac a black unicorn on a chaotic altar, that'll just piss off $CHAOTIC_DEITY 04:00 NCommander: hit : to see what altar you're standing on? 04:01 also be careful, Jubilex may gate in other demon lords 04:01 only if it's hostile, right? 04:01 yeah he definitely is hostile 04:01 <@Shin Umbygashima> Only if hostile 04:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> Hope you have a wand of digging around 04:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> Unrelated 04:02 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/575593299696549898/Capture_2019-05-08-04-00-10.png 04:02 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/575593308664102923/Capture_2019-05-08-04-00-27.png 04:02 <@Shin Umbygashima> Not sure if it's noted on wiki that cubes can safely eat rubber chicken due to being acidic 04:03 raisse, LarienTelrunya: it does piss off the chaos gods, but it actually lowers my gods anger 04:04 oh right, the rare case where pissing off a different god makes your own god less angry 04:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> At the price of pissing off a chaotic god 04:04 however, you still have a Jubilex to deal with 04:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> And here we are 04:04 err, make that two Jubilexes I guess 04:04 <@Shin Umbygashima> Hopefully you have that unicorn's horn handy bare minimum 04:05 <@Shin Umbygashima> Thought he was unique 04:05 @le?Jubilex 04:05 Jubilex (&) | Lvl: 50 | Diff: 57 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire disintegrate poison acid petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 65 | Generates: unique | AC: -7 | Attacks: 3d6 spit acid, 3d6 claw acid, 1d10 passive disease, 0d0 multiply physical | Alignment: -15 | Flags: flies, amorphous, amphibious, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous 04:05 LarienTelrunya, amulet of sickness resistance helps 04:05 ^^ he can multiply :P 04:05 yeah that amulet is basically essential now 04:05 <@Shin Umbygashima> The fuck 04:05 <@Shin Umbygashima> What variant is this? 04:05 LarienTelrunya, at the same HP, or did it half when he split? 04:05 slex, of course (although he also does that in sporkhack) 04:05 <@Shin Umbygashima> Ew 04:05 NCommander: both halves will have half HP, but they'll heal back up 04:05 Actually he can show up in vanilla 04:05 @Shin Umbygashima: are you Khor in disguise? 04:06 <@Shin Umbygashima> The splitting thing is what I'm thinking of 04:06 <@Shin Umbygashima> ...who 04:06 ah nevermind 04:06 sorry :) 04:06 <@Shin Umbygashima> k 04:06 NCommander: I hate to say it, but your run seems to be going south in a hurry. 04:06 <@Shin Umbygashima> Anyway I'll check the wiki and see if it accounts for acidic monsters eating cockatrice meat 04:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:07 acidic monsters probably have stoning resistance, so they should be able to eat cockatrices 04:07 <@Shin Umbygashima> No, no, it makes sense 04:07 <@Shin Umbygashima> I just dunno if the wiki covers it 04:08 NCommander: I pity the player who finds that bones file... unless you somehow make it out alive, then you won't leave one :) 04:08 also remember you have a scroll of tele level 04:08 oh I guess digging works too 04:08 *phew* 04:08 That was .... scary 04:09 LarienTelrunya, I *needed* to go down, if I'm going to survive that, I'm going to need a lot better gear 04:09 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 04:09 yeah, the levels with the jubilex swarms are probably unsafe for a good long while now 04:10 On the plus side, he's not in hell anymore 04:10 But yeash 04:10 on the minus side, all those Jubilexes will regenerate back to full HP while you're elsewhere 04:10 Not much I can do about that 04:10 * NCommander remembers NOT to go up to Dl:10 04:10 yeah, fighting them is quite obviously not an option now 04:11 I'm still surprised I survived that 04:11 <@Shin Umbygashima> Digging strat is nerfed in this variant I assume, so 04:11 rld, I have intristic flying 04:11 so I don't automatically go down the hole 04:11 yes, Jubilex doesn't actually engulf, so zapping him with digging does nothing 04:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:21 <{Demo}1> jubilex suck my blood 04:23 Town level 04:23 actually "Town" is a branch; it's 5 levels long, and the town will be at the top, with the rest of it being mostly rooms-and-corridors levels 04:23 LarienTelrunya, I noticed. THat's going to be something I need to clear out at some point. Really dincy. 04:25 * NCommander takes a break 04:25 LarienTelrunya, I feel like I just run the gaunlet 04:25 NCommander: heh, you ain't seen nothing yet :D the game's not gonna get any easier deeper down! 04:26 but I hope you make it to Gehennom, where the game gets *really* difficult 04:26 * NCommander is terrorified 04:28 Also, I'm still hungry in real life l,l 04:30 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 04:30 * LarienTelrunya offers NCommander some nuremberg sausages with fries :) 04:32 * NCommander increases his "appreciate german" skill 04:33 haha :D 04:33 if we are really going to meet up in june, I'll have to introduce you to some good restaurant! 04:37 LarienTelrunya, so I land in Morocco June 2nd, I'm meeting my mom in SPain on the 12th, and then I will go buzz you in $PLACE 04:38 morocco in june 2nd must be super hot 04:38 we were there in like january or so 04:38 and it was already t-shirt weather hot 04:38 NCommander: heh yeah, but we need to do the actual appointment with location, time etc. in a PM because I don't want to be doxxed :D 04:41 * NCommander gives up, goes for more food 04:41 * NCommander feels very American :( 04:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:42 * NCommander has that distinct feeling I'm going to fail epically in SLEX 04:43 NCommander: that may well happen, but the challenge is to get as far as you can :) 04:44 LarienTelrunya, I thought the challenge was to go all the way down *then* go all the way back up 04:44 Although I just remembered you added a quest to imbue to the amulet 04:46 well yeah, I just meant that even if your char is going to die eventually (maybe), you'll want to live for as long as possible and see how far on the road to ascension you can go; going up in the dungeon still counts as going forward if it gets you closer to your goal :D 04:46 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:46 i.e. going up in the yendorian tower to imbue the amulet still means making progress even if you're going up the dungeon 04:48 anyway I need to go to the local rewe, will be back in a bit ;) 04:52 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:00 [hdf-us] [slex] ZlojSerge (Ass Ang Mal Cha) killed the Aobe, on T:12254 05:12 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:16 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:38 NCommander: by all means, up that unihorn skill to expert! you'll learn the glowhorn technique! 05:39 LarienTelrunya, neat 05:39 also the unihorn is more likely to work and less likely to break/degrade when the skill is higher (unlike vanilla, where the skill only governs the damage it does as a weapon) 05:48 A - 8 eucalyptus leaves 05:49 :D 05:50 LarienTelrunya, to access shopkeeper services, do I just chat or? 05:50 NCommander: nah, try to pay while holding no unpaid wares 05:50 ah 05:52 NCommander: also, if you're asked whether you want to memorize a spell to add spell memory, generally it's almost always a good idea to say yes, because then the spell memory is increased depending on your memorization skill. 05:52 Cool 05:52 I finally have an offessive spell! 05:52 Only if you decide that you rather want to forget the spell (to get a forgotten spell for the confusion on demand), it'll make sense to decline. 05:53 Because one of slex's design principles is that no skill should have downsides when enhanced, so the player should still have the option of having just 100% spell memory when learning a new spell, which would take less time to be forgotten. 05:53 but obviously magic missile is a really useful spell that you wouldn't want to forget ;) 05:53 makes sense 05:53 Town level was kinda meh 05:53 by the way, if you press + to open the "known spells menu", you can decide which of your spells benefit from the memorization skill (which makes spell memory decrease more slowly) 05:54 I'm tempted to clean out the ring store 05:54 i.e. with ? you can switch between swap, description and memorization mode 05:54 spells that you're not memorizing will get a - sign next to their level, and not benefit from memorization spell 05:55 err skill 05:55 ! 05:55 free action 05:55 ohh that ring's a keeper 05:56 Yeah 05:56 LarienTelrunya, what exactly does denastification do? 05:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:56 I'm not sure if I should wear that or the +4 WIS 05:57 NCommander: means that whenever you trigger a trap, you'll get the message "A has been sprung!", which notably includes nasty traps, which would otherwise give no message and not reveal themselves when triggered 05:57 they still won't reveal themselves but at least you'll get a message that you triggered one 05:57 +4 WIS is more important I think 05:57 well can you still cast all your spells at 0% fail without the wisdom boost? 06:01 LarienTelrunya, all except magic missle, but I think I just need to reach basic in attack spells 06:01 It's 44% failure with the ring 06:01 ah, yeah just cast it a couple of times and it should be fine :) 06:02 LarienTelrunya, that's the plan 06:04 why did you put magic missile on "don't memorize"??? 06:07 -!- stennowork is now known as stenno 06:08 -!- stenno is now known as stennowork 06:08 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:08 NCommander: don't you want to put magic missile back to memorization mode? 06:09 LarienTelrunya, isn't that memorized mode? 06:09 NCommander: all spells start in memorization mode by default (wouldn't make any sense if they didn't); those marked with - are the ones that aren't memorized 06:09 oh 06:09 sadly I'm not a PhD in graphics and design, otherwise I'd know how to design the menu in a way that makes it obvious what's going on 06:10 all spells generally benefit from you having the memorization skill, which makes their spell memory decrease more slowly. If you mark any with -, they'll no longer benefit from the skill and be forgotten at the regular (unskilled) rate. 06:11 so unless you WANT to forget your spells, you'll not want to mark any of them with - 06:11 any suggestions on how to make it clear to the player that - means "don't memorize" (a minus sign because I'd associate that with "less") are welcome 06:11 ugh, teleportitis 06:12 LarienTelrunya: it's perfectly clear to me 06:12 Actually, I can teleport at will 06:12 so this is actually a bone 06:12 *boon 06:13 raisse: yeah but that's probably because I explained it :D I have to think about the players who play the game without ever joining the IRC, who will stare at the screen cluelessly because they have no idea what the - (or memorization skill in general) even means 06:13 that said, I should write a spoiler for the new skills 06:14 yes, spoilers are useful 06:15 I might be screwed 06:16 why? 06:16 oh, turning to stone 06:16 Stoning 06:16 no lizard corpses? no potions of acid? no nothing? 06:16 scrolls of cure? wands of acid? 06:16 I don't think I've IDed acid, and I haven't seen a single lizard 06:16 * NCommander looks through the piles 06:16 Say your prayers. 06:17 magic marker to make a new scroll of cure? :D 06:17 Andrio, can't cause god is pissed 06:17 ouch. 06:17 ~~Say them anyway just to get back at them.~~ 06:17 yeah the scrolls don't look like they'll be useful here 06:18 if you're lucky, one of those potions will be acid; you could try to quaff and do an IRL prayer 06:19 well shit... looks like you had nothing that could have saved you 06:20 such is life and death in the dungeons of doom 06:21 [hdf-us] [slex] NCommander (Pri Ang Mal Law), 177579 points, T:15216, petrified by a drow warrior 06:21 F 06:21 LarienTelrunya, yup, what screwed me in the end was messing up with that altar 06:21 yeah, not being able to pray is a problem 06:21 !lastgame 06:21 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NCommander/slex/dumplog/1557246286.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/janekw/nh361/dumplog/1557307928.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/W/WonkoTheSane/nh361/dumplog/1557292428.nh361.txt 06:21 Still, that wasn't a half bad SLEX run 06:22 why did you carry a chest with you? 06:22 there had been two lizard generated that you didn't find, and one baby cave lizard whose corpse you didn't have with you 06:23 I think my cat ate them now that I think about it 06:23 stennowork: he actually carried two chests :D one of them was probably the main container 06:23 stennowork, cause SLEX takes inventory management to a whole new level 06:23 uh, ok 06:24 stennowork, they're light enough to be carried through the dungeon 06:24 and SLEX has a LOT of new items/scrolls/random shit 06:25 * NCommander may try another priest or another valk 06:25 wtf you had put almost all the spells on "don't memorize"?! any specific reason for that? 06:25 chest weights as much as 4 OOFs 06:26 Oog 06:26 f 06:26 close 06:28 LarienTelrunya, the way you explained it is better to only have a few on memorize, so I put the less useful ones on dememorize 06:28 stennowork, a LOT of items in slex are weightless. 06:28 LarienTelrunya: whaaaaaaat? exactly that is what it doesn't do! you generally shouldn't ever put any spell on dememorize, unless you WANT to forget it for some obscure reason 06:29 did I make it sound as if the amount of extra memorization depends on the amount of ones you have memorized? it does not, it's independent for all spells 06:29 For some confusing reason 06:29 LarienTelrunya, oh. 06:29 Well now I know 06:29 LarienTelrunya, yeah you did 06:29 !role 06:29 NCommander: grunthack healer 06:29 pass 06:30 every spell that is on memorization mode will have its memory decay more slowly, and the amount by which it is slowed depends only on how much memorization skill (basic,skilled,expert etc :D) you have 06:30 * NCommander finds healers both boring and annoying to play 06:30 gah I guess I really should write a comprehensive spoiler 06:30 LarienTelrunya, but it seemed every spell was on that mode by default 06:30 * NCommander finds healers *really* boring to play 06:31 LarienTelrunya, it's generally *not* a spoiler if it's a basic game mechanic 06:31 NCommander: yes, because there really isn't any reason why you'd want a spell to not be on memorization mode, unless you want to forget the spell for some obscure reason 06:31 well it's a spoiler if the game itself doesn't explain how it works 06:31 LarienTelrunya, the nethack guidebook is pretty good at explaining it's mecahanics 06:31 maybe there should be a slex guidebook :D 06:32 LarienTelrunya, I'll write a new forward to replace the one ERS wrote 06:32 * NCommander wonders how many people actually have read the guidebook 06:33 Huh, the 3.6 guidebook actually explicately tells you about Elbereth 06:33 It used to be much vaguer about that 06:34 Still all and all, I'm counting that as a victory, Sokoban, Mines, and Town branches completed, and I escaped Jubilex 06:35