00:08 Hey, erinyes. There's only three of you. Try not to kill each other with wands of cold. 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:4127 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1226 points, T:1321, killed by a rothe 00:17 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37598 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4340 00:23 maybe there will be a junethack achievement for leaving all Erinyes alive 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:6862 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 307 points, T:644, killed by a magic missile 00:36 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:8062 00:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:48 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:57 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 00:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:10867 01:15 I like how you can throw the Staff of Aesculapius at yourself over and over right in front of the temple priest and he still gives cheap protection 01:21 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14744 01:43 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 01:47 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4688 points, T:6439, killed by a gargoyle 01:59 'It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.' 02:00 * Andrio points at the darkness and curses. 02:00 -!- honu has joined #hardfought 02:00 just don't run out of candles. 02:10 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:27 hmm 02:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:51 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:01 I wonder whether I can get away with using the Orb of Fate on the Plane of Fire to find the portal. 03:02 There's plenty of steam vortices to hide in. 03:02 Maybe even the Plane of Air 03:10 Why not? 03:10 as long as you think you can survive the 1-10 turns of being spacced out 03:24 -!- oh6 has quit [] 03:30 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:32 well, AC:-47 helps 03:38 Silly cockatrices in Vlad's tower. 03:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- oh6 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 03:46 She's peaceful. 03:46 ... 03:46 spam charm at her 03:46 Something's wrong here. 03:47 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/570878540136972288/unknown.png 03:47 <@Andrio Celos> That's not supposed to happen, right? 03:49 Tamed first try. ^^ 03:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:51 Hm 03:51 Will tame Archons wield Vorpal Blade? 03:53 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:56 Why is she not wielding this blessed +4 orcish dagger in preference to a plain old +0 one? 03:57 Vorpy is neutral-aligned so I think not, as A are lawful 03:57 ah 03:57 Andrio: IIRC monster weapon selection works on the basis they know about item damage but not plusses 03:57 pets will only upgrade weapons according to a strict list of priorities. 03:58 They don't care about enchantment 03:58 I stole the +0 dagger 03:58 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Pet 03:58 it is all covered there 03:59 bullwhips can be handy for managing pet weapons 03:59 ... and bulls 04:00 probably not so great for bulls 04:00 in the same way that buffalo wings don't really come from tiny flying bovines 04:00 heh 04:01 I'm torn between wondering indeed why the bull doesn't just squash you flat if you crack a silly whip at it, and the fact that bullwhips are in fact for managing livestock (presumably including bulls, or they'd be cowwhips) 04:03 Archonwhips 04:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] abzde (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 daggers on an altar, on T:5564 04:03 I grew up on a cattle farm, and we never used whips for managing cattle 04:03 dogs mostly 04:04 well, not for bulls specifically anyway 04:04 I work with computers and I've never changed a valve, but nevertheless changing of valves was normal practice in the past. 04:04 I like that the Archon is actually a she this time 04:04 how many computers use valves these days? 04:05 None 04:05 quite so 04:05 Ones that drive pneumatic systems 04:05 I remember changing a fuse once... 04:05 back in the dim dark old days 04:05 Er? You have never used a whip; this does not imply whips were never so used. I have never changed a valve; this does not imply valves were not once changed. 04:06 yeah, all true 04:06 i was just saying that whips were not a notable feature on our farm 04:07 I don't really know where the term "bullwhip" comese from, nor where the term "buffalo wings" comes from either 04:08 According to WP and others, the etymology is because it is a whip for managing livestock. Buffalo wings, that one's a mystery. 04:09 yes, well, we didn't use them much on our cattle stud farm 04:09 "ranch" I guess you'd call it in the US 04:09 Apropos of nothing much, there's a whole episode of _Utena_ hangs on the idea that it is not obvious that a cowbell is a bell for a cow, which is a bit baffling to English speakers 04:10 It is a constant source of amazement to me what people appear to call things in the US. 04:11 yeah, I always ROFL when US people say they want to "pull the trigger" over something 04:11 like in that Pawn Stars show, and similar 04:12 or on certain online forums I participate in 04:13 I always thought "bullwhip" came from the fact the whip is made from leather, ie from a bull/cow etc 04:13 never occurred to me that it might actually be because of the intended use ;-> 04:14 probably because we didn't use them like that 04:14 or not in my memory anyway 04:17 I thought it was "made from cows" until about 15 minutes ago, too ;-) 04:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] abzde (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4714 points, T:6606, killed by a white unicorn 04:21 'I repeat, drop that money and follow me!' The invisible Angelina hits the guard. The guard is killed! 04:21 ... but on reflection before synthetics basically all whips must have been made from leather. 04:21 no thanks. 04:22 One of the guards had a wand of death, too. 04:23 tbh, before nethack I'd just call it a "whip" anyway, not a "bullwhip" 04:29 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 04:32 locusts are really just grasshoppers 04:32 but that isn't me 04:39 So the minitower with the portal is full of gremlins 04:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:43 NCommander: holy shit that castle of the winds alpha version is *ancient*! but it works, my first char made it to dungeon level 4 and back to town and is still alive ;) 04:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:08 The Archon found a cockatrice corpse in the Valley 05:08 This helps. 05:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:62091 05:24 !tell K2 ugh, apparently my slex game on hdf-eu segfaulted. can you check whether there's a core dump? ;) 05:24 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:25 !tell K2 username AmyBSOD, version 2.50 05:25 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:28 YUM YUM 05:30 * Andrio gets a bad feeling about this, but it passes. 05:31 Didn't know green slimes could pick things up. 05:42 Angel is in remarkable health for a statue. 05:42 It's not named Angel, it's just an Angel that got whapped with a cockatrice corpse 05:53 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:54 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 06:08 LarienTelrunya, morning 06:08 !asc AmyBSOD 06:08 NCommander: [hdf-us] AmyBSOD has not ascended in 91 games. | [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD has ascended 7 times in 904 games (0.77%): nh362:1 (50.00%), dyn:1 (100.00%), un:1 (25.00%), spl:1 (20.00%), 4k:2 (14.29%), nh343:1 (0.29%) 06:08 yo NCommander! how did your slex game end yesterday? 06:09 LarienTelrunya, it didn't. I saved and went to sleep 06:09 ah so your char is still alive, yay! 06:09 also I played the old castle of the winds, and got to level 4; my first char is still alive too :D 06:10 it's very different from the game I grew up with though 06:10 LarienTelrunya, yeah, I was murdering my way through to Mine Town. I'm still getting used to the SLASH'EM stuff like unihorns being different 06:13 unihorns work better with higher enchantment, yes, and specifically in slex they also work better with higher unicorn horn skill :) 06:17 LarienTelrunya, they also have a chance of disintgrating, right? 06:18 yes, or if they have a positive enchantment, using them can degrade them. This also happens less often with higher skill. 06:25 * NCommander needs food and has really annoying work to do today 06:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:43 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:47 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:54 two pastries of breakfast have finally started my day 07:07 giant rats (extinct) 07:09 I guess that there are so many of them on the Healer quest helps. 07:09 Andrio: congraturation! a winner is you! did you know that you can play SLEX 2.50 on hdf-au now? ♥ 07:10 Thanks 💜 07:10 I did not 07:11 We had the most helpful giants again to help me trap Death and Pestilence in their rooms. 07:13 oh so they fixed the ability to lock up riders via summon insects but not the ability to lock them up via boulders? 07:13 Yep. 07:13 They escaped the first time my wizard tried it, though. I think another monster was on top of Death's corpse when he revived, so he teleported out. 07:14 what?! they actually teleport when that happens? I' 07:14 'd have expected them to just spawn adjacent to the blocking monster 07:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:16 In 3.6.1 at least he eats the monster that's in the way 07:18 oh so the monsters just get deleted? IIRC in dynahack they're instead pushed away 07:19 Ah 07:19 He teleports the monster away 07:19 Won't help him escape the boulder trap. 07:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:22 congrats Andrio! 07:22 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-04-25 05:24 EDT: ugh, apparently my slex game on hdf-eu segfaulted. can you check whether there's a core dump? ;) 07:22 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-04-25 05:25 EDT: username AmyBSOD, version 2.50 07:22 hi K2! I have a suspicion what the cause of that crash could be, but would still like the backtrace just to make sure :) 07:22 lemme check 07:23 yup 07:24 Thanks K2. 07:24 jeesus fuck android studio is suck. 07:25 how bad is it? i would much rather use visual studio. 07:25 LarienTelrunya - https://termbin.com/qhq7 07:25 K2: alright thanks, this confirms my suspicion :) 07:25 LarienTelrunya do you need a recover? 07:25 it is exactly the bug that I also managed to reproduce locally 07:26 nah, autorecover did the trick :) 07:26 k 07:26 what I will do now, though, is to push a fix for the bug 07:26 FYI - I leave this sunday morning my time, will be gone for 5 weeks. no internet access at all 07:26 military stuff 07:26 WEEKS??? 07:27 weeks 07:27 please tell me this is a belated april fools joke! :( 07:27 i'll be back about a week before junethack starts 07:27 nope 07:27 arrgh! will Tangles_ be the interim admin for those 5 weeks? 07:27 there was an off chance i wouldnt have to go because of work obligations, but the brigade commander shot down my request yesterday 07:28 Tangles_ IS an admin 07:28 always has been 07:28 so if I have bugfixes, segfaults or other stuff, I ping him, got it :) 07:28 he knows i'm leaving 07:28 yeah just dont bug him, he's busy too 07:28 which country are you invading? 07:29 the bahamas 07:29 i wish 07:29 K2: alright, fix for that segfault is now on slex-master :) 07:30 k 07:31 sorry for the trouble 07:31 what trouble? 07:31 of having to steal your valuable time to provide a backtrace and install the fix 07:31 'Fix nastycurse segfault' thats the one right? 07:32 yep 07:32 LarienTelrunya its no trouble 07:32 good :) 07:32 hmm 07:32 so this is still happening... 07:32 you update one src file 07:32 potion.c 07:33 i go to compile 07:33 and its compiling like I am doing this from scratch 07:33 why 07:34 that's due to the dependence of cmd.c on date.h, I still don't really know how to circumvent this 07:34 ok see if your game loads ok 07:34 on hdf-eu? 07:34 yeah 07:34 yes, it does :) 07:35 ok 07:35 thanks! now that monster should no longer crash me out of the game! 07:35 you really should look into that 07:35 more often than not, a simple patch to slex requires me to make clean before make all 07:36 got lucky with this one 07:36 yeah, I'd need to devise a way to make the cmd.c thing work without needing to recompile everything 07:36 will need to look more into date.h dependencies and stuff, but I'm sure it can be done somehow 07:36 I'll add it to my to-do list 07:39 Slash'EM Extended updated (all servers) 07:39 yay! 07:40 loading my test save on hdf-us works too :) 07:41 paxed: what are you trying to do in android studio? 07:44 K2: just wanted to see if i could compile my own version of gurr's nethack-android 07:45 ah 07:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:01 LarienTelrunya, what do you need? 08:01 NCommander: a pair of leather peep-toes, european size 42 :D 08:02 LarienTelrunya, I meant with the cmd.c stuff 08:02 paxed, there's a reason I just use command line builds + VSCode 08:02 ah... well, cmd.c currently retrieves the compile time and date, for which it needs date.h 08:03 I managed to fix the error where the compile would fail if date.h wasn't there (and a "make clean" removes date.h, annoyingly enough), but now the entire source is recompiled whenever one .c file changes 08:10 LarienTelrunya, usually easiest to put that in it's own C file as a global variable, although some C compilers let you get the time/date via preprocess includes 08:10 if you only care about GCC, that's viable; dunno what you compile w/ on WIndows 08:10 mingw 08:11 also, thing is, date.h is generated on the fly because it has to reflect the actual compile date and time 08:11 LarienTelrunya, ah, true. You could also jsut use a preproces smacro and define it via -D. Normally I have a dedicated version.c with a function and just regenerate that one file. 08:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:29 * NCommander is cold :( 08:30 NCommander: me too, I had to put on arm fleecelers 08:31 ha ha. +19 C 08:31 according to the weather forecast there should be +26 C where I am... feels more like +6 08:31 It's 12C here ATM 08:32 wtf there's some bird constantly flying against my window??? 08:34 our weather site says it's 16 but it feels absolutely like 20-22 08:34 (nice!) 08:36 -!- APic has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:37 22 degrees C is my favourite temperature 08:38 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 08:38 LarienTelrunya, it's a pixel trying to steal your computer and you have the see invisible intristic 08:39 NCommander: haha :D 08:39 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 08:39 along with aggravate monster 08:43 this report must have an intristic drain life attached to it :( 08:57 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 2034 points, T:966, killed by a water moccasin 09:07 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:19 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 341 points, T:1653, killed by a werejackal 09:25 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4567 09:29 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 11571 points, T:4838, killed by a leocrotta 09:29 back 09:29 * NCommander had to boot under WIndows to fix a customers system 09:38 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 09:39 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:14 -!- honu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 49663 points, T:21148, quit 10:29 !rng xnh evil 10:29 NCommander: xnh 10:29 hrm 10:30 actually I have an evil game in progress 10:30 let me finish that one then xnh again 10:30 :) 10:31 <{Demo}1> I don't really like most 3.6 variants cause 3.6 does a lot of pissing on you then trying to tell you it's raining but evil hack sprays blood all over you then makes fun of you for being covered in blood which is way better 10:31 lol 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1607 points, T:3082, killed by an Uruk-hai 10:32 heh, I don't really like most 3.6 variants because they're based on 3.6 :P 10:33 3.6.x is so much better than 3.4.3 10:33 but oh well 10:33 to each their own 10:33 <{Demo}1> yeah it is 10:33 <{Demo}1> but 3.4.3 nao is best 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3883 points, T:2999, killed by an arrow 10:34 nah 343-hdf 10:34 343-hdf has auto open doors 10:34 :P 10:34 3.6 is great because it managed to do something that no previous version of nethack did: it introduced edition warring! :P 10:34 <{Demo}1> oh shit 10:34 <{Demo}1> auto open doors is a must 10:34 ndnh has that right 10:35 <{Demo}1> yes from dnh 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] NCommander (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 584 points, T:1453, zombified by a gnome zombie 10:38 That was predictable 10:38 Actually, I may try one more evilhack run 10:38 I have a stragety I want to try 10:38 NCommander: *kiss* ♥ 10:39 * NCommander is kissed. Your cheek glows blue for a moment 10:39 Or I can play my slex barb for a bit 10:39 :D 10:39 :o 10:39 I actually want to try running Wizard though in evil 10:40 ah, well then, play evilhack first, since I'm busy with my own slex run anyway :D 10:40 or healer 10:40 Hrm 10:40 no healer doesn't start with cure sickness 10:41 <{Demo}1> it should lol 10:41 started with slow monster ... 10:42 and wand of striking 10:42 ... game ... 10:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] NCommander (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 389 points, T:1143, killed by a dwarf 10:52 feh 10:54 ok, that's a much nicer starting inventory 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 6 points, T:22, killed by a goblin 10:56 epi: scrolls of remove curse can remove you from existence if your luck is bad enough 10:58 !who 10:58 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [evil] NCommander [evil] gallery [nh362] Bartlem [nh362] MaxLunar [slex] | [hdf-eu] gargor [nh362] AmyBSOD [slex] stonewall [spl] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh4] V1 (pala) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4019 points, T:10, killed by a water demon 11:05 Well, scrolls of genocide can already do that. 11:05 <{Demo}1> so can scrolls of fire lol 11:05 <{Demo}1> and earth 11:05 [hdf-us] [evil] NCommander (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 299 points, T:766, zombified by an orc zombie, while dragging an iron ball 11:06 Bloody 11:06 ... where's the death msg? 11:06 Yeah that didn't go well at all 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh4] B1 (pala) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 8134 points, T:242, killed by a water moccasin 11:06 I need to be *really* methodical if I want to play evilhack 11:06 Create monster, stinking cloud, teleportation (if you commit suicide via level teleport), create monster 11:06 mm 11:07 With teleportation it even literally says 'you cease to exist' 11:07 But you can still be life-saved. 11:07 You un-cease to exist? 11:07 aren't you still nonexistent? 11:07 No. 11:07 or do you land hard on level 1? 11:07 you can suddenly see through yourself 11:07 heh 11:08 it just nullifies the teleport. 11:09 Interestingly, though, it's flavoured as 'you gather up all your possessions', but things like scrolls of scare monster behave as if you never dropped them 11:09 they don't get wet if they would fall into water, etc. 11:12 NCommander, how did you get zombified like that? 11:12 zombie bite or scratch 11:12 diseased 11:13 bug_sniper: evilhack is a new variant that combines many aspects of grunthack and sporkhack; that's why it has grunthack's zombification ;) 11:13 Pat fixed the venom-staying-intact bug in 362 dev 11:13 nice 11:14 <{Demo}1> yey 11:14 <{Demo}1> time to steal 11:14 and re. autoopen, that's in 362 dev, so ha 11:14 <{Demo}1> lol 11:15 got it 11:15 bug_sniper, got zombified, pray failed, and tried reading unid'ed scrolls for a miracle. Had nothing to survive 11:16 K2, evilhack bug, if you get amnesia and have named objected, it causes program in disorder 11:16 not sure why dragging an iron ball was significant though 11:16 NCommander thanks. aware of it 11:16 object not found in disco etc etc 11:17 <{Demo}1> i object 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1887 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 422 points, T:1913, killed by a large mimic 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh4] B2 (pala) (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 21160 points, T:1421, killed by a water moccasin 11:24 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:26 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 11:30 bug_sniper: technically that is one turn of paralysis whenever the ball moves, therefore the "while helpless" patch kicks in ;) 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] NCommander (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 566 points, T:2018, killed by a giant ant 11:33 That went somewhat better 11:34 damn ants 11:34 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 11:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Chomusuke, her faithful kitten, on T:430 11:39 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 11:40 !gt ant 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Tou Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1154 11:44 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2303 points, T:2507, killed by a rothe 12:01 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Fem Cha), 164222 points, T:16153, killed by a monster (uncertain vortex), while praying unsuccessfully 12:02 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 12:04 While praying uncertainly. 12:08 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 12:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:18 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 12:23 -!- wvc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:30 <{Demo}1> if I eat magicbane do I become magic? 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2428 12:32 <@Tone> It would be more appropriate for it to cancel you 12:33 or one of its random effects, randomly 12:34 -!- Frederic_ has joined #hardfought 12:34 <@luxidream> You become magicbanebane 12:34 randombane 12:34 RNGbane 12:35 oh there's a thought 12:35 artifact that wards off the RNG 12:35 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35 <@luxidream> Makes all damage become average damage? 12:35 but if it becomes cursed (which it cant, because RNGbane), anything and everything bad that can happen to you, DOES happen to you. all at once 12:35 <@luxidream> No other artifacts spawn? 12:36 heh 12:37 an artifact affecting luck 12:37 <@luxidream> Instantly kills chameleons? 12:37 Magicbane can cancel chameleons though 12:38 <{Demo}1> mcham mcan 12:40 <@luxidream> Does cancelling a chameleon actually stop it from shapechanging though 12:40 doesnt unnethack have luckblade? 12:40 or is that sporkhack 12:40 spoekhack has gloves of fortune 12:41 @luxidream you'd think it would 12:41 <@luxidream> Un has luck blade 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 2147 points, T:3468, killed by a dwarf 12:41 ^ not a dwarf zombie? 12:42 <@luxidream> It’s a good weapon 12:42 nope. i was in the mines 12:42 i obviously havent made evilhack hard enough then 12:42 clearly 12:42 * K2 makes all monsters zombie-like 12:42 archon zombie 12:43 wizard of yendor zombie 12:43 <{Demo}1> every variant needs dirge 12:43 DIRGE 12:43 \o/ 12:43 <{Demo}1> one day ndnh will have dirge 12:43 heh, slex meanwhile has dirge too :) 12:43 DIRGE 12:44 <{Demo}1> it will be permapoisoned with filth (a special dnh poison) and do acid dmg 12:44 so its covered in poo 12:44 the in-game description in slex reads: "Artifact specs: Diiiiiiiiiiiiiirge (DIRGE) :D +5 to-hit and +2 damage, drain resistance when wielded, does extra poison damage to targets, chaotic. A chaotic knight may receive it by dipping a long sword in a fountain." 12:44 <{Demo}1> that's not how u get dirge... 12:45 <{Demo}1> k2 think more like crusty dried guts of your enemies 12:45 ah 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:62570 12:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56 * NCommander feels miserbale :( 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:4600 13:00 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:38638 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62904 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:62912 13:02 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:62974 13:05 <{Demo}1> hey k2 got any ndnh coredumps? 13:05 lemme look 13:05 <{Demo}1> or rather a ndnh coredump 13:05 <{Demo}1> I'm curious if it has crashed yet for anyone 13:05 yes 13:06 no one has said anything to me about it tho 13:06 K2: 5 weeks of army stuff? wth do you do? 13:06 paxed: was infantry for a long long time, 15+ yrs. recently switched to computer tech 13:06 <{Demo}1> so there is a dump? 13:06 ah 13:07 {Demo}1 yeah processing it now 13:07 <{Demo}1> thanks 13:07 paxed: too old to kick in doors anymore :P 13:07 well 13:07 sorta 13:07 its definitely a younger mans game 13:08 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:39632 13:09 {Demo}1 13:09 https://termbin.com/s6hp 13:10 <{Demo}1> uh oh 13:10 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:63222 13:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:12 <{Demo}1> I didn't know this was real 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:63224 13:13 <{Demo}1> this is a bug that got reported to Chris after he fixed the other bug relating to this but no one could replicate so it was just assumed they were somehow on the old version I think 13:13 the infamous 'i dont know if this is real 13:13 dnh bug' ? 13:14 <{Demo}1> I doubt I can replicate but I'll try, this probably won't get fixed 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] NCommander (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 2293 points, T:2836, killed by a gnome king 13:19 Gnomish Mines are really hard 13:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] MayoiSnail (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 193 points, T:492, killed by a gecko 13:21 !role 13:21 NCommander: xnethack archeologist 13:21 k 13:21 <{Demo}1> owned 13:21 The hell 13:21 Ugh, I think I accidently hit random 13:21 ELven priest 13:22 * NCommander already did this role... 13:25 right out the gate my cat suidices 13:25 I'm so going to ascend this 13:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 133 points, T:918, killed by a small mimic 13:27 debating if I just want to do a conduct 13:27 <@Shin Umbygashima> my favorite part is when you go out of the way to reveal and clear a trap and the pet just blunders into it and die anyway 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:63517 13:28 <@Shin Umbygashima> self-FTK sounds especially cooked though 13:29 <{Demo}1> I kill my pet from the start so I can wear it's blood so monsters know not to mess with me 13:29 <{Demo}1> if the new ndnh race works out you'll have the option to possess your pet from the get go 13:29 i cherish my pets. they tell me if something is cursed and bring me things from shops 13:31 <{Demo}1> I play my cat like a harp 13:31 <{Demo}1> I'm not sure what that means but it sounds barbaric 13:32 {Demo}1: kill your pet first, then #pray two twice in a row, so even the pantheon knows not to mess with you. 13:32 <{Demo}1> good idea 13:32 I've been known to do that, in tournaments. 13:32 (When going for Most Unique Deaths.) 13:32 <{Demo}1> I really want to make a role where that is a viable strategy that is rewarded 13:32 <{Demo}1> the more bad things you do the stronger you get 13:33 Also, a cat is not a good harp. Guitar, maybe. 13:33 zombie convict 13:33 violin 13:33 <{Demo}1> I should add grunthack gorey explosions to ndnh 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:63618 13:33 <{Demo}1> those are fucking awesome 13:33 <{Demo}1> chunks of flesh flying everywhere 13:33 force bolts of detonation? 13:34 Add explosive zombie-nausea-gas like in Brogue. 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:63654 13:34 <{Demo}1> I think I might return to the worldender role idea 13:35 <{Demo}1> where you can kill your pet and turn it's corpse into an instrument 13:35 when you get to the astral plane, the riders come out and hoist you on their shoulders 13:36 then they sacrifice you on an altar to moloch 13:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 831 points, T:1536, killed by a gnome 13:36 <{Demo}1> nah you gotta destroy the gods 13:36 <{Demo}1> summoned through their altars with fake amulets 13:37 all 40 of them? 13:37 * NCommander sighs :( 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7607 13:37 <{Demo}1> just the 3 that are in your pantheon 13:37 <{Demo}1> and moloch 13:38 !asc 13:38 NCommander: [hdf-us] NCommander has ascended 1 times in 60 games (1.67%): fh:1 (2.78%) 13:38 >.> 13:38 moloch is the uberboss 13:38 <{Demo}1> nah moloch is a preboss 13:38 I can't seem to find my hackmojo 13:39 <{Demo}1> the elder priest transforms into him 13:42 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:40308 13:42 I sure do love mindflayers 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh4] M2 (pala) (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 39468 points, T:4699, poisoned by a rotted wood nymph corpse 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh4] V1 (pala) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3979 points, T:14, killed by overexertion 13:45 overexertion on turn 14? 13:46 oh, foobacus 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:63749 13:48 !lastgame pala 13:48 PavelB: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/pala/nethack4/dumplog/2019-04-25%2017%3A44%3A55%2C%20V1-Val-Hum-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt 13:49 > Strength: 18/02 13:51 * NCommander exhales deeply 13:52 ? 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 122 points, T:891, killed by a kobold 13:52 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Dra Hum Fem Neu), 554 points, T:3134, killed by a psibeam 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:8734 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 3085576 points, T:63810, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nh361/dumplog/1555812577.nh361.txt 13:56 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:41087 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22136 14:02 what a slowpoke 14:03 slow and steady wins the race 14:03 or w/e you say it 14:03 <{Demo}1> says the speed runner 14:03 unless you are speedrunning 14:03 <{Demo}1> lol 14:06 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:09 congrats oh6 14:10 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Arc Hum Mal Law), 411 points, T:1210, killed by a bear trap 14:10 I have a ring of slow digestion, so no hurry at all 14:11 Still no mr so I'm moving carefully, already been poly'd once 14:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Car Inf Fem Law), 0 points, T:12, murdered by a sewer rat 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 120 points, T:698, killed by a poisonous corpse 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] gallery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 7815 points, T:9965, killed by a bolt of fire 14:27 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: hey, are any of the new races tanky or intristic-rich? 14:27 <@Winsalot> Need something that would combo well with glass cannon role 14:27 @Winsalot: uhh... don't really remember :P 14:27 <@Winsalot> higher starting stats would also be awesome 14:27 <@Winsalot> cmon 14:28 itaque was tanky in some way IIRC 14:28 I need the list again, then I can grep on my other PC 14:28 <@Winsalot> https://pastebin.com/raw/zKVe6bz5 14:29 thx :) 14:29 gimme a few minutes to grep stuff 14:30 <@Winsalot> Also need short info on asura, golem, jabberwock, metal, piercer, shell, and viking races. Those sound like thay could be interesting 14:30 <@Winsalot> esp golem and jabberwock 14:31 asura is really good for dual-wielding 14:31 -!- Frederic_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:32 also asura has some change to AC, but if I read the source correctly it makes their defenses worse 14:33 fro has 2 extra points of AC but is slower, so probably not a good choice 14:34 gerteut has extra magic cancellation and bonuses to ranged to-hit and damage, but no AC benefits... 14:35 golem doesn't need to eat and is resistant to death rays, but has worse spellcasting chances 14:35 well, "doesn't need to eat" means no natural hunger, but ring hunger etc. still applies 14:37 itaque has 10% bonus AC and takes playerlevel% less damage, but can't have speed and has a -1 damage malus 14:37 which means that itaque might theoretically be a good choice 14:38 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 14:38 jabberwock has extra melee attacks, but takes increased damage from monsters with passive attacks 14:39 You see here a gray stone. Thump! Ouch! That hurts! Call a gray stone: LOAD 14:39 metal has 3x speed but all incoming damage is multiplied by d10, i.e. *extreme* glass cannon mode :D 14:39 You have a little trouble lifting A - a stone called LOAD. 14:40 Turns out, my autopickup rules don't pick up gray stones, nor do they pick up stones called LOADSTONE. 14:40 But they don't care about stones called LOAD 14:40 piercer regenerates HP and Pw twice as fast, but only when hiding (done via #monster) 14:41 shell is rather slow, but takes half damage 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 436 points, T:1441, killed by a hobbit 14:42 viking has +1 damage bonus but takes 20% more damage 14:42 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 14:42 @Winsalot: that's the summary for now; I plan to finally write documentation for the wiki tomorrow 14:44 <@Winsalot> ok 14:48 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: there is a role "user of stand" but you haven't watched Jojo? 14:48 @Winsalot: sure :D I got the role from some variant, IIRC silly jnethack? 14:48 also there is no stand in slex 14:49 i.e. it's a rather sucky role :D 14:51 * NCommander shambles in 14:51 My mind is filled with nightmarish images. 14:51 i'm sorry you had to see me naked 14:51 * NCommander turns around 14:51 MY EYES 14:51 LOOK 14:51 * NCommander thinks about Maud really hard 14:51 :P 14:52 NCommander: there is a way to remove those images and replace them with fleecy ones, because slex is very colorful ♥ 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh4] V2 (pala) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 27871 points, T:4721, killed by a killer bee 14:52 the different ways you try to get ppl to play slex never ceases to amaze mw LarienTelrunya 14:52 SLEX needs a warning label - may induce seizures. Consult a doctor before playing. 14:53 K2: :D 14:53 * NCommander vapes hard 14:54 Maybe I should work on a design doc for the variant in my head. This coding bunny won't leave me until I do it 14:54 do it! *bundlebundlebundle* maybe I can steal some of it for slex! 14:54 Thinking of replacing Sokoban, importing alignment keys from SLASH'EM (abiet way toned down), removing the mazes 14:56 * NCommander wants a variant thats fun and lacks some of the tedium of other variants 14:56 or vanilla 14:56 * LarienTelrunya tries to resist the temptation, but fails... and therefore says: "well slex is over there ----> *bundlebundlebundle* " 14:58 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:58 LarienTelrunya, looking at your LP's I actually am concerned about that. I actually took screenshots of my inventory for hallucation/amenisa reasons 14:59 oh, you mean because SLASH'EM hallucination is much more annoying than vanilla hallu? 15:01 Yeah, same with the enlightment screens 15:01 My general philosphy is nothing in a game should make you to resort to notetaking to be survivalable. Granted, I usually adjust unicorn horns to a given letter but that just adds more work to the player 15:01 heh, I guess doing a LP helps there 15:03 [hdf-us] [un] saxonysam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2360 points, T:1554, killed by a jaguar 15:03 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 15:04 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 992 points, T:1782, killed by a master mind flayer 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:22, killed by a bolt of cold 15:07 LarienTelrunya, indeed :) 15:07 RedArrow: mineflayers suck 15:07 [hdf-us] [un] saxonysam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 244 points, T:908, killed by a kobold zombie 15:07 in slex I'm actually pleased if the game spawns mind flayers, because they can be eaten for intelligence :D 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:13682 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 13143 points, T:13699, killed by a soldier ant 15:10 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:10 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: also about implants. In what case is it a bad idea to equip an implant? 15:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:10 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 15:10 <@Winsalot> Because I found one that is cursed 15:11 <@Winsalot> but I remember that there is planty of autocursing implants 15:11 @Winsalot: if you aren't in a form without hands and also not otherwise handicapped (I should document what constitutes "handicapped"...), implants can actually make your AC worse 15:11 also they often have random magical effects and some of them have nastytrap effects 15:11 they're really meant mainly for playable races that don't have hands 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 122 points, T:1072, killed by a small mimic 15:13 @Winsalot: alright, implants give the "good" bonuses if you're in a form without hands or playing one of the following races: grid bug, jelly, octopode, satre, snail or wraith 15:14 otherwise they give low bonuses, or sometimes even negative AC bonuses (which means they give an AC malus) 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3090 15:17 [hdf-us] [un] saxonysam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 522 points, T:1328, killed by the wrath of Anhur 15:17 <@Winsalot> Fuck you Amy. I go downstairs and immediately my hp goes 50 -> 9 because I enter the pit of imps. Try to exit but die the next turn. GG 15:18 @Winsalot: Do you want your possessions identified? 15:18 <{Demo}1> should have had more hp 15:18 LarienTelrunya, I do like a lot of things in SLEX (specifically showing HP damage numbers) 15:19 LarienTelrunya, I dunno, I just have mixed feelings on the experience overall 15:19 <{Demo}1> it's slex it's the most mixed variant 15:19 NCommander: that's not so surprising actually ;) 15:20 the mixed feelings? 15:21 I guess a lot of it is that SLEX's full run can be several times the length of a regular NetHack game, and the chance of unrecoverable screwup is so much higher 15:21 <{Demo}1> slex is unwinnable rn 15:21 <{Demo}1> tariru isn't real that's all fake 15:22 <{Demo}1> big conspiracy 15:22 <{Demo}1> Amy bundle-brainwashed us all 15:22 did she? 15:22 heh, I hope Tariru comes back and ascends a fifth time! 15:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:23 she is just nethack's bobby fisher in high heels 15:23 minus the crazyness ... I hope 15:27 {Demo}1, no, I actually believe SLEX is winnable for anyone who's determined to do it. 15:29 <{Demo}1> anything 15:32 <{Demo}1> it would be funny if all the verbs for being killed by a monster were spelled wrong in funny ways 15:37 <+Beholder> [hdf-eu] [spl] ripuli (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 40 points, T:106, covfefe'ed by a jackal 15:38 <{Demo}1> yeah like that 15:39 So there's this floating eye I can see from across the map (no line of sight). I have blind telepathy but I'm not blind, so why would I be able to see it? 15:40 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Dra Hum Nbn Neu), 603 points, T:2738, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion 15:40 are you sure it's not infravision? 15:40 No, there's walls 15:40 <{Demo}1> !who 15:40 {Demo}1: [hdf-us] jonathanhanes [nh362] Bartlem [nh362] abzde [nh362] Hekik [nh362] pala [nh4] bouquet [un] Lachtain [spl] PavelB [xnh] MayoiSnail [xnh] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [slshm] ripuli [spl] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:41 amulet of helm doing same thing 15:41 perhaps 15:41 try farlooking at the eye, it should say how you're seeing it 15:41 I don't have an amulet or helm, and I don't think rings can do that https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8DLChdSx/image.png 15:41 oh 15:41 cooperative telepathy 15:41 xnh and evilhack hav ethat 15:41 Ah 15:41 Indeed, seen: telepathy 15:41 aosdicts creation 15:41 Thanks Hekik 15:42 I thought the cooperative telepathy only applied to pets but I guess not 15:43 he's cooperating with the floating eye? 15:43 <{Demo}1> mentally 15:43 <{Demo}1> their mind signals are bouncing off each other 15:44 <{Demo}1> so they an see each other 15:44 <{Demo}1> geez it's almost like you don't know how esp works :P 15:44 <{Demo}1> I gonna mitm ur telepathic signals 15:46 Obviously telepathy doesn't conform to PCI standards of security 15:51 !wish amulet of restful sleep 15:54 amulet of helm 15:54 what slot is that for? 15:54 cooperative telepathy originated in fh 15:55 basically, if you have telepathy, you not only can sense others, but they can also sense *you* 15:55 and if they also have telepathy, the effect is boosted 16:00 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:00 FIQ, it's an amulet you can glue to your helmet - amulet of life saving will prevent your helment from destruction :) 16:01 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44166 16:02 !tell aosdict now that you can see your max inventory weight, rings of carrying should id once you put them on 16:02 Will do, PavelB! 16:05 !role 16:05 NCommander: nhfourk knight 16:06 is fourk still developed? 16:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3123 points, T:4419, killed by a watch captain 16:07 1.3f doesn't ahve any live announcements, does it? 16:07 ^- k2/tangles? 16:07 No livelogging 16:07 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 16:08 there's not much to livelog 16:08 death msgs only 16:09 there are no uniques. 16:09 what about shop lifting? 16:10 conduct violations? 16:10 killing your pet? 16:10 -!- Gaelan has quit [Client Quit] 16:11 semi-tempted to play that, it looks simplier 16:11 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 16:11 !role 1.3 16:11 PavelB: No variant 1.3 on server. 16:11 !role 1.3d 16:11 PavelB: No variant 1.3d on server. 16:11 !role nh13d 16:11 PavelB: caveman 16:11 you should do that. you'll be surprised how bad of a game it is :-) 16:13 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 16:13 -!- Pavel is now known as sweval 16:13 oh, shopkeeper kills. didn't remember adding that 16:14 -!- Gaelan has quit [Client Quit] 16:15 bhaak, bad in what way? I played the original UNIX rogue a fair bit 16:15 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 16:16 !asc bhaak 16:16 NCommander: [hdf-us] bhaak has not ascended in 14 games. | [hdf-eu] bhaak has not ascended in 5 games. 16:16 what anoob 16:17 !asc NCommander 16:17 PavelB: [hdf-us] NCommander has ascended 1 times in 60 games (1.67%): fh:1 (2.78%) 16:18 nh13d ascensions aren't reported by the bot 16:18 * NCommander just checked xlogfile 16:19 Probably cause the message is "escaped (with amulet)" vs ascended 16:19 you have a 1.3 ascension? 16:19 No, but I was curious if they'd show up in !asc 16:19 ah fair 16:19 version=NH-1.3d:points=606500:deathlev=1:maxlvl=30:hp=441:maxhp=441:deathdate=20180722:birthdate=20180721:uid=5:role=Pri:gender=Mal:name=rustmonster:death=escaped (with amulet):turns=32383:event=352:starttime=1532187593:endtime=1532242944 16:19 That's what it looks like 16:20 !asc rustmonster 16:20 stenno: [hdf-us] rustmonster has not ascended in 1252 games. 16:20 ok 16:20 stenno, you have the bot source code? 16:21 no, you have to ask k2 16:21 idk if the bot source code is around somewhere 16:21 !asc Tariru 16:21 NCommander: [hdf-us] Tariru has ascended 1 times in 1 games (100.00%): slex:1 (100.00%) | [hdf-eu] Tariru has ascended 14 times in 15 games (93.33%): fh:1 (100.00%), sp:1 (100.00%), dnh:1 (100.00%), nh4:1 (100.00%), dyn:1 (100.00%), un:1 (100.00%), spl:1 (100.00%), 4k:1 (100.00%), slex:3 (100.00%), nh343:1 (100.00%), xnh:1 (100.00%), gh:1 (100.00%) 16:21 Slex ascensions appear properly, guess it's a grep for "ascended" 16:22 NCommander: the original rogue had a more consistent and compact design than hack. 1.3d made that worse as it was just a collection of patches after 1 or 2 years of patch accumulation. the game gets bigger but the design hasn't yet started really going down the "the devteam thinks of everything" road. but development has picked up, every few months a new version would came out 16:22 idk if 1.3d is considered a proper variant for that matter 16:23 will it be at junethack again? 16:23 3.0.0 came out almost exactly 2 years after 1.3d and by then, it's nethack-ish design has clearly been established. 16:24 !lastgame rustmonster nh13d 16:24 NCommander: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rustmonster/nh13d/dumplog/1533085977.nh13d.txt 16:24 the bot considers it a valid variant 16:26 bhaak, sometimes its fun to meet your ancestors; I have a hobby of taking old codebases and making them work on modern systems 16:26 !source 16:26 NCommander: https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder 16:28 Looks like it looks for the string ascended 16:28 sure. but sometimes you are embarrased of what your ancestors have been :) 16:29 https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder/blob/master/beholder.py#L1887 16:30 bhaak, lol, good point, I do wonder what nethack would be like today if development hadn't stalled at 343 for years 16:30 then it would look like unnethack 16:31 that's one of it's catch phrases: "What NetHack would look like if the DevTeam hadn't stopped developping it" 16:31 granted, the catch phrase is slightly out of date :-} 16:31 <{Demo}1> what 16:31 <{Demo}1> that seems kind of arbitrary 16:32 in what way? 16:33 bhaak, never played unnethack 16:33 <{Demo}1> like why would nethack be like unethack if 3.4.3 hadn't been a stallout version 16:33 maybe it would look more like slash'em or dnethack, who knows 16:33 <{Demo}1> unnethack has things like sheol and stuff that are way too cool for vanilla 16:34 because the design of unnethack followed more closely a trajectory that vanilla could have followed that for example grunthack or slex 16:34 <{Demo}1> I think it would be more like nethack4 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 301 points, T:841, killed by a giant bat 16:34 nh4 changed almost nothing but interface 16:35 <{Demo}1> the devteam is very conservative with the stuff they add it seems, idk if the old devteam 12+ years ago would have been that way 16:35 <{Demo}1> but 3.6 is basically 3.4 content wise 16:35 I would add a few years to that. 16:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:35 3.6 is far more different from 3.4 than nh4 is 16:35 <{Demo}1> yes it is 16:35 the development already significantly slowed down before 3.4 16:35 <{Demo}1> ah 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh4] V2 (pala) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 48499 points, T:3749, killed by a potion of unholy water 16:36 <{Demo}1> I don't think unnethack is a conservative enough variant in the changes it makes to be a path vanilla could have ever been willing to reach 16:37 <{Demo}1> (not that that is a bad thing by any means or that I have any idea what I'm talking about) 16:37 <{Demo}1> but that's my impression 16:37 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1458 points, T:1443, caught herself in her own magical blast 16:38 Offhand, aside from some balance changes + bug fixes, the only major changes I can think 3.4->3.6 was Elbereth and scare monster behaviors 16:38 There was probably more but not much 16:38 I understand what you are saying but if you extrapolate it that way, you're only getting stagnation. 16:38 sokoban is harder in 3.6.x 16:38 All I want is for nh4's draw_rock options to be ported to 3.6.x 16:38 jilles, oh right, because it couns levels down than up for the zoo/monster generation 16:38 ah, that one. I wonder how that came to be 16:39 <{Demo}1> yeah I'm not too well versed in the speed of changes before 3.4 16:39 <{Demo}1> but if that era was less stagnant then anything could have happened if continued 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 152 points, T:390, killed by a gnome 16:41 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) stole 346 zorkmids of merchandise from the second-hand bookstore of Sneem on T:21892 16:41 bhaak, I'm not even sure it was an intentional change TBH 16:42 !PoM 16:42 APic: The moon is at last quarter; new moon in 7 days. 16:42 {Demo}1: you should read the nethack version page on the wiki and especially note the "significant changes" paragraphs and when the versions came out. 16:44 {Demo}1: 3.4 is basically the first major version with only small changes 16:44 although 3.0.x was the hayday of development. 16:45 YANI: When a magic trap causes you to yearn for your distant homeland, there is a chance it magic-portals you to your quest home level 16:46 YAFMI: When a magic trap goes off when you're on the quest home level, you're happy to be home. 16:47 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:47 from what I've seen and heard, Izchak's death was a major blow (which has been suspescted in the community for a while) but that the devteam hasn't really recovered from that (as seen with the problem of getting 3.6.2 out) was still surprising to me 16:47 bhaak, I thought you were on the devteam 16:48 lots of people are on the devteam :-) 16:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Pri Wer Fem Cha), 548 points, T:2739, sent to the next life by a baby red dragon 16:48 I think the devteam consists out of a small handful of people that actual develop nethack and a larger group of people that are "honorary" devteam members who technically can develop nethack but don't 16:49 <{Demo}1> people get busy with other shit during times it seems as well 16:49 <{Demo}1> which sounds like an obvious thing but should probably be considered 16:50 I think everybody on the devteam did some work at some point in time. but that point in time can also have been 20 years ago. or even longer 16:50 Man, just reading patchnotes again 16:50 In 3.6.1, "Autopickup no longer works on unpaid items in shops." 16:50 Amazed it took that long to fix 16:51 then there are some bottlenecks and process problems. unfortunaetly you can't just press a button and a new release pops out. 16:52 PavelB: that's such an obvious one, I wonder why I never had the idea 16:53 Isn't there literally a button on github you press to make a new release pop out :D 16:54 source code releases are easy :-p 16:54 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Cthulhu, on T:44690 16:54 bhaak, let the community provide builds? :) 16:54 Aren't the windows binaries unoficial 16:55 The 3.4.3 ones were patched with curses as the default interface 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 924 points, T:1276, killed by a bolt of cold 16:55 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:56 NCommander: risky 16:56 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 16:57 From what I hear that's already what happens, where the community is paxed 16:58 bhaak, true. Still, the only officially supported platforms these days are Mac OS X, Linux and Windows, no? 16:58 yes. luckily 16:58 although Windows includes the console version as well. 16:59 you mean tiles 16:59 they all have the console version 16:59 when I released unnethack at the beginning of the year, I was occupied for 1 full day and the better part of the next day as well. 16:59 and I have lots of scripts and automation. 17:00 -!- Gaelan has quit [Client Quit] 17:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:01 bhaak, can't Travis automate the Mac OS X and Linux builds though? (and probably straight forward enough to find a Windows build service) 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 465 points, T:323, killed by a bolt of cold 17:03 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45456 17:04 * NCommander goes out for a slice of pizza 17:06 NCommander: maybe. I also managed to cross-compile unnethack on a debian but vanilla uses a visual studio project file. but we have someone working at microsoft on the team and using Azure for that is an option. although that persion is currently occupied elsewhere. 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh4] C1 (pala) (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 17389 points, T:1323, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food 17:07 NCommander: it's also about overcoming a decade or more of inertia. I haven't been around to see how 3.6.0 and 3.6.1 were released, so I don't know all the issues and how the processes work. 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1549 points, T:1161, killed by a dwarf zombie 17:20 bhaak, how did you manage to cross-compile? I thought the level compiler had to be natively compiled due to the structs 17:22 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:22 !rng 17:22 NCommander: !rng thomas richard harold ; !rng do dishes|play nethack ; !rng 1-100 17:22 er 17:22 !role 17:22 NCommander: grunthack healer 17:22 That sounds painful 17:23 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 17:23 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 17:25 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 17:27 !role 17:27 NCommander: nh13d valkyrie 17:27 ,,, 17:28 !who 17:28 jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] KaiHerd [slshm] hothraxxa [evil] Gaelan [nh362] Hekik [nh362] pala [nh4] nutterbutter [un] bouquet [un] lizardo [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Muad [sp] mightyquinn [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 17:29 starting my quest around 25k turns 17:29 lol 17:29 I'll chalk it up to rust 17:38 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 17:39 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 17:39 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46258 17:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:41 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 17:43 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) genocided master mind flayers dungeon wide on T:46421 17:43 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:26358 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26360 17:45 interesting, my own ghost turned up in a graveyard 17:49 normal 17:51 hey K2, dunno if you saw in the backscroll but found a bug in the bot, it doesn't report wins for nh13d 17:51 Beholder wants me to play nh13d ... 17:52 One more try 17:52 !role 17:52 NCommander: unnethack healer 17:52 so much loot 17:54 Cthulu looks terrorifying 17:55 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 17:55 is it also normal to find a bunch of corpses all with the same name in a graveyard? 17:56 wins? 17:56 There's a couple tourist corpses named hypnotist, a valkyrie corpse named hypnotist, etc 17:56 it has in the past 17:56 or did you mean deaths 17:57 K2, in !asc 17:57 Hekik, it's based off the high scroll list 17:58 ah, ok 17:58 *high score 17:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 6226 points, T:5328, killed by a soldier ant 18:00 !lastgame 18:00 jonathanhanes: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/KaiHerd/slashem/dumplog/1556224758.slashem.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/ripuli/splicehack/dumplog/1556220356.splice.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Andrio/nh361/dumplog/1555659711.nh361.txt 18:04 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 18:07 ... Dl:1 "oFlying 18:08 I'm so totally going to die horribly 18:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:42 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 19:00 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 19:03 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 19:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:17 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 19:17 ello 19:20 [hdf-us] [un] NCommander (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 2583 points, T:5916, killed by a mumak 19:20 Frig 19:20 It was a decent start 19:20 !role 19:20 NCommander: dynahack barbarian 19:24 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:27 NCommander: wine. everything is cross-compiled and then run transparently with wine. that's how you get "native" structs. 19:28 bhaak, shiny. I wanted to do something similar with the DOS port to buid SLEX, but lazy 19:29 I had the advantage that I already used the cross-compiler on cygwin to produce the win32 build of unnethack. 19:29 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Quit: stealing from shopkeepers] 19:29 I also managed to cross-compile vanilla but the resulting binary didn't run for yet unknown reasons. I will have to try again some time. 19:30 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 19:31 bhaak, might be issues with runtime, I remember having problems with mingw compiled vanilla for 343, but its been so long since I tried building NH on Windows that the details have disappeared into the aether 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 53 points, T:288, killed by a goblin 19:32 but the unnethack win32 build runs on the same machine and this should be using the same runtime. 19:34 bhaak, odd 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 40 points, T:470, killed by a jackal 19:35 bhaak, so question, any tips if I decide to go down the rabbit hole of making my own variant? 19:37 stop before its too late :P 19:39 1) don't 2) if you do, think again if you want to waste your life this way 3) are you prepared for nobody playing your variant as it is not vanilla? 4) do you have any design ideas that go beyond "wouldn't it be cool if $something? 5) check if it hasn't been done in other variants. stealing code is easier than coding yourself 19:40 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 19:41 .oO(considering I'm out of work on medical, point 2 at least is semi-moot) 19:41 aw i missed the points 19:41 (my own japery aside) 19:43 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:43 1) don't 2) if you do, think again if you want to waste your life this way 3) are you prepared for nobody playing your variant as it is not vanilla? 4) do you have any design ideas that go beyond "wouldn't it be cool if $something? 5) check if it hasn't been done in other variants. stealing code is easier than coding yourself 19:43 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44 damn it aoei 19:44 what? 19:44 I'm still here 19:44 -!- aioe is now known as aoei 19:44 oh, aoei != aioe 19:45 I saw that one quit 19:45 my pleasantly confusing alternick 19:45 yes 19:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:45 hai stenno 19:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 5623 points, T:7309, killed by an arch-lich 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 487 points, T:951, killed by a brown mold 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:162, killed by a sewer rat 19:56 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 954 points, T:3899, killed by a gnome lady 19:56 I suppose I might have survived that if I'd chucked all of my artillery at that frost giant before meleeing it 19:57 as it was my pets showed up and ate it by the time I took it down 20:02 boo. i got to 'weak' and had to break atheist 20:02 but on the plus side i found an early "oR from a shop 20:11 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 20:14 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Client Quit] 20:18 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46677 20:20 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:26 fgfds. prayed to be purified but all i got was a lousy full heal 20:27 !who 20:27 NCommander: [hdf-us] RedArrow [nh362] abzde [nh362] saxonysam [un] bouquet [un] lizardo [xnh] | [hdf-eu] aoei [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 20:31 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:47052 20:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] PolarCows (Val Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:23, killed by a water moccasin 20:33 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 508685 points, T:47077, killed by an invisible barbarian called Warwick the Chieftain (with the Amulet) 20:34 yay astral splat! 20:34 he killed me in 1 hit so I guess he had vorpal sword? 20:37 unlucky mate 20:37 !lastlog bouquet 20:37 ... 20:38 was going to watch the ttyrec and see what actually happened 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] PolarCows (Val Hum Fem Law), 431 points, T:1563, killed by a gas spore's explosion 20:44 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:45 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 20:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2643 points, T:2411, killed by a magic missile 21:03 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:07 darn it 21:07 got myself cornered 21:07 and i was doing so well :( 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] PolarCows (Val Hum Fem Law), 454 points, T:2286, killed by a water demon 21:21 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 21:21 !ping 21:21 JonathanHanes: Pong! 21:34 curse you, nethack! 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] PolarCows (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 82 points, T:568, killed by a boomerang 21:36 yup, "Warwick the invisible Chieftain swings his long sword named Vorpal Blade." 21:36 ded 21:36 I've never seen that happen, but I've heard it's a possibility. 21:39 oops 21:39 mimic'd 21:41 any way to find the official number of deaths on astral? I think I'm at 5 now. 21:47 bouquet_: Most variants (and vanilla) have an achievement bit for reaching astral, so you'd be able to take the xlogfiles and filter on that, and then remove all the ascended/celestial disgrace games and count what's left. 21:49 but no, the bot won't do that. Rodney's !lg command might be able to be persuaded to give it to you (but only for nao games). 21:52 thanks, Tangles_. In that case, let's just call it 5 :) 22:02 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:08 -!- Jonathan_ has joined #hardfought 22:08 -!- Jonathan__ has joined #hardfought 22:11 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12 -!- Jonathan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15 !ping 22:15 Jonathan__: Pong! 22:15 -!- Jonathan__ is now known as jonathanhanes 22:15 !ping 22:15 jonathanhanes: Pong! 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] abzde (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1260 points, T:2585, poisoned by a killer bee 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 4687 points, T:4674, killed by a giant beetle 22:41 -!- bouquet_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:42 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 22:45 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 309 points, T:1299, died of starvation 22:45 !pom 22:45 bouquet: The moon is at last quarter; new moon in 7 days. 22:46 Anyone see the occultation of Saturn last night? 22:48 I was in a prime viewing location on a crystal clear night, but did not know about it until I was driving home from my gf's place and happened to notice 'Hey, Saturn is really close to the moon tonight!' but that was just after it happened. 22:48 saw a picture on r/astrophotography 22:51 wow that's quite a photo. 22:51 https://www.reddit.com/r/astrophotography/comments/bha7sd/moon_and_saturn_post_occultation/ 22:56 https://www.reddit.com/r/astrophotography/comments/bh8li0/saturn_occultation_by_the_moon/ 22:56 before and after (opposite way around) 22:58 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 22:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:03 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:10 yay! 23:12 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 2217 points, T:2487, killed by a soldier ant 23:12 Tangles_: considering how far away Saturn is, it's pretty amazing that it's that big relative to our moon. 23:13 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:13 Tangles_, would you be interested in adding the original rogue to hardfought if I patched it up and added something similar to xlogfile? (also, dunno if you saw the earlier post on nh13d and Beholder) 23:16 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 23:16 ah shit 23:18 confused by hunger? 23:20 NCommander: yeah I saw that discussion in the backscroll. Most of the interesting discussion on this channel seems to happen around 4am my time so I don't really participate. 23:20 Tangles_, tis fine :) 23:21 I'm always sorta come and goeth on this channel so I get it 23:21 ...I should finish my junethack un game at some point, shouldn't I? 23:21 But yeah we can fix it so 1.3d ascensions are counted. That code was written before we were hosting 1.3d, so it worked perfectly at the time :P 23:22 NCommander: You'd have to run the rogue thing past K2. It's really up to him what gets hosted, but I have no objections, and I don't _think_ he would either. 23:23 Tangles_, to be fair, most things break when you involve time travel 23:25 Tangles_, if not, I can probably just host my own server of rogue/rogueliks but I do like this community 23:30 -!- honu has joined #hardfought 23:33 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 23:36 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:37 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 2972 points, T:3134, quit 23:39 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dart on an altar, on T:3849 23:54 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 3431 points, T:2518, killed by a giant ant