00:05 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:22281 00:08 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 19416 points, T:11304, killed by an air elemental 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 29612 points, T:8189, killed by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] lizardo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1919 points, T:3819, killed by a killer bee 00:17 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 00:21 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Client Quit] 00:27 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 00:36 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Durin's Bane, on T:24116 00:46 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 5123 points, T:3984, killed by a soldier ant 00:48 I'd like to repeat myself; Umber Hulks are awesome pets. 00:50 they confuse everyone. It's like conflict for mobs. Late game baddies reading cursed scrolls of create monster create a bunch of acid blobs instead. Screws up all the monsters with sight. 00:50 You're not neutral, are you? 00:53 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:03 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 01:07 ok thaats good 01:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:08 that's also a slightly different approach 01:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:24 bouquet_: so long as you only have one pet umber hulk 01:48 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 01:49 hold me beholderbot 01:50 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 5877 points, T:4997, killed by an electric shock 01:50 wow 01:50 just fry all my rings and wands, why don't you 01:50 does anyone actually #untrap chests 01:51 I bet you will now 01:51 >:( 01:51 not a chance 01:55 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 286 points, T:974, killed by a magic missile 01:59 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:12 yikes 02:12 what does that even mean 02:16 YANI: cancelling a troll should prevent them from regenerating 02:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1362 points, T:3652, killed by an invisible Woodland-elf, while praying 02:29 JonathanHanes: "overpowered" is just flavor text, it means "killed " 03:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3537 points, T:2661, killed by a tengu 03:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 218 points, T:2031, killed by a gnome zombie 03:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 174 points, T:589, killed by a coyote 03:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (cockatrice), on T:617 03:13 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:13 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:20 !ping 03:20 JonathanHanes: Pong! 03:21 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 03:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] mid (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10854 03:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1126 points, T:1334, killed by a bugbear 03:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 174 points, T:391, killed by a hobbit 03:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 133 points, T:183, killed by a gnome 03:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:43 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:47 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 03:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 433 points, T:1125, killed by a kobold lord 03:49 jonadab: looking at your brogue screenshots, ... how can you even play a RPG that doesn't tell you exactly how much health you have? doesn't that make the dreaded one-more-hit syndrome much more common than it should be? 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (cockatrice), on T:6 03:59 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 03:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 03:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:973 04:00 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:01 eh 04:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 698 points, T:1469, killed by a hobgoblin 04:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 94 points, T:280, killed by a small mimic 04:18 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:35 <@Shin Umbygashima> Guess the Bulg wasn't big enough 04:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 318 points, T:1643, killed by a giant bat 04:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:58 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:40, killed by a bear trap 05:09 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 10847 points, T:6160, killed by a leocrotta 05:24 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 584 points, T:1531, killed by a dwarf 05:25 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 05:26 morning 05:29 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:31 Poes picks up a credit card. Poes suddenly disappears! 05:31 I didn't know portkeys worked on cats 05:32 'time to go shopping!' 05:34 argh an invisible nymph stole my whip 05:34 not that I was using it 05:47 hm, I'll come back here when I've got MR 05:47 the level below minetown is full of peaceful nasties (master lich, long wrom, iron golem) 05:47 and dark too 05:47 MR and a map 05:47 a LAMP 05:48 (map wouldn't be useless either) 05:50 especially a map that shows you where the polytrap is 05:52 this huge hardware store has 4 tin whistles but not a single magic whistle 05:53 (it has 6 tin whistles now, I sold them mine as well) 05:53 and 3 bags of tricks but no other bags 05:53 -!- dtype has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:53 no problem because I bought a holdybag from the tiny minetown hardware store 05:54 also 2 magic markers, and I already had a marker so I probably won't have to wish for any 05:54 if I get that far 05:55 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 05:57 eggs should splat when they're in a pit and you push a boulder on top 05:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:15966 06:14 FInally a sack 06:18 Tempted to take Persus shield of reflection ... 06:34 NCommander: it's likely to be cursed 06:35 raisse, I know, I'm playing as a monk so the lack of armor is somewhat new to me 06:38 I'm debating fort or castle 06:39 with reflection either is doable 06:42 I think the perseus shield is always cursed 06:43 but if that is their only source of reflection, most people use it anyway 06:44 and lots of people have a wand of cancellation by that time 06:44 or some holy water 06:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:45 those nasty ranseurs 06:46 never walk beside a caged troll until you know he doesn't have a polearm 06:46 heh oops 06:46 learned that one the hard way... 06:47 that's a nice little gothca 06:47 gotcha 06:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:51 argh I *so* need to bless this holdybag or I'll have to keep dropping it for every fight 06:51 raisse, I have an amulet. 06:52 oh then you don't need the shield except if you want it for AC 06:52 Yeah which is why I'm debating it 06:52 Decided to clean out Ludius 06:52 yay poison resistance from a tinned scorpion 06:52 that might have better gloves and boots and helmets than the ones you're wearing 06:53 or you can poly some armor 06:53 raisse, I'm likely going to polypile 06:53 I need ring of leviation + free action 06:54 white dragon dropped scales ... 06:55 The energy vortex turns into a water troll! 06:55 not much better 06:55 barrow wight, okay 06:56 two whacks with Grayswandir took care of that 06:56 I'm definitely in shapeshifter territory 06:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:17981 07:08 Team @ strikes again 07:12 Spellbook of create monster ... 07:12 * NCommander hrms 07:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] mid (Kni Hum Mal Law), 61071 points, T:16094, killed by a minotaur 07:24 !tell LarienTelrunya Brogue does have a health bar, plus it flashes warnings at you when you drop below certain percentages. Try playing it, you will see. 07:24 No worries, jonadab, I've got this! 07:27 * NCommander debates what to do next 07:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:36 * NCommander is stumped 07:39 castle? 07:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:45 stennowork, debating it 07:58 well why not castle? 07:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:59 stennowork, cause I don't have a reliable path to/from medusa 08:00 can't dig down? 08:00 Can dig down, its the going up I'm iffy on 08:00 Might go back up to minetown, retrieve my book of protection to refresh the spell, then go down 08:00 but after castle and votd you surely can come up again? 08:00 True 08:00 in the worst case, read some c?oTC and hope you land above medusa 08:01 I need a marker, =oL, =oFA, possibly unholy water 08:01 do you really _need_ =olevi until the planes tho :P 08:01 EH, true 08:01 I think I ascended my Samurai without it, though he had water walking boots 08:02 yeah you have guaranteed ww boots at vlads 08:02 May be worth going down to Vlad's and grabbing them 08:02 but levi is required for air i think 08:02 You can throw items 08:02 and very convenient for fire 08:02 eeh 08:02 but anyway 08:02 i am sure that you have enough resources at some point to get it 08:03 if you need it 08:03 Yeah, I'm probably going to not wear body armor 08:03 stop worrying and learn to love the bomb 08:03 Ring of protection +4 is very nice 08:03 i guess 08:03 maxhp is more important than ac imo 08:03 No t-shirt/armor slot. 08:03 might get shirt at castle 08:04 Yeah, that's why I need unholy water for bringing in nurses 08:04 also you can polypile nonmagical armor for shirt 08:04 I have a t-shirt, it's being a Monk that's the problem 08:04 aah ok 08:04 you can wear t-shirt without penalty as monk 08:04 it's just the body armor you cannot wear 08:04 shirt is a different armor slot 08:04 ... 08:04 :) 08:04 Going to minetown to get my shirt out of the stash 08:04 o7 08:05 for cursed water, i usually read conf?oRC 08:05 Yeah, haven't found it 08:05 oof 08:06 I have one un-IDed scroll that could be it, but I haven't gotten to a store to price ID it 08:06 and I don't have uncursed water ATM to make unholy water 08:06 gotcha 08:07 also really need a BoH 08:09 hrm 08:09 cursed iron ring 08:11 hah, just found remove curse 08:11 nice 08:18 MORNING 08:19 its an all caps kind of day ;) 08:19 is that good? 08:19 * NCommander relocates his stash deeper in the dungeon 08:19 i'll let you know soon 08:19 lol 08:28 hmm 08:29 the funniest piracy-related security oversight I can think of would probably be the first PSP firmware 08:29 it had *nothing* protection-wise to stop you from simply running downloaded games from the SD card 08:30 so you could simply just download a game online, put it on an SD-card, and you were good to go 08:30 I mean, early consoles didn't have any security either -- for example, nothing stops you from running burned CDs on a Sega CD 08:31 but at the time, CD burners weren't exactly cheap, it hadn't become a common thing for people to own yet 08:31 but at the time of the PSP's release, there were no such excuse 08:32 back in my days, anti-piracy meant having to have some sort of manual, and before playing the game you had to answer questions like 'what is the third word on the fifth page of the manual' 08:32 so you would just photocopy the manual if you gave someone else the floppies/CD-ROMs 08:32 I think that was common antipiracy on personal computers 08:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:20682 08:32 they had to be more careful about AP I think because floppies weren't hard to recreate 08:33 that's my guess, anyway, I wasn't really a thing at that time 08:33 yes, floppies were very easy to copy 08:33 the consoles simply didn't have any AP 08:33 but you can't easily recreate cartridges 08:33 (some games did have antipiracy, but it was uncommon) 08:39 Bingo 08:39 Got ring of conflict, and free action 08:40 Suddenly my ascension kit is that much closer to complete 08:41 nice nice 08:41 conflict will be helpful at the castle 08:41 Might try one more polypile to see if I can get levitation 08:42 also got four scrolls of magic mapping out of that polypile 08:45 You start to float in the air! Your movements are now unencumbered. 08:45 WOOO 08:45 \o/ 08:46 I think the only thing I need to wish for at this point is a bag of holding 08:46 and markers 08:48 lucky lucky 08:48 got speed boots already? 08:48 Yeah 08:48 Found then on DL:4 08:48 Only thing the RNG gave out for free. the poly wand was in a bones pile 08:49 Cloak of MR was in the same pile; wizard really didn't have a good time 08:50 Castle I think is the next stop 08:53 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 08:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 31 points, T:106, killed by a sewer rat 08:59 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 28 points, T:56, killed by a black pudding 09:00 !setmintc 300 09:00 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 set to 300 09:03 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 6744 points, T:2831, killed by a dwarf king 09:09 Ok, and down to the castle 09:09 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha) heard a rumor from The Oracle, on T:2169 09:10 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 5049 points, T:2200, killed by the Oracle 09:11 ... killed by the Oracle? 09:12 happens 09:12 Must have gotten bad advice 09:12 she has a passive attack 09:13 oh this is cool 09:13 shopkeepers shop is a split room 09:13 divided by a line of lava 09:21 bleh, hungry 09:21 * NCommander goes to get a real life snack 09:21 watch out for the monkeys 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 89 points, T:132, killed by a boulder 09:27 You backhand the dwarf! 09:27 ^ so satisfying 09:27 ptch 09:28 (sound of backhanding) 09:28 heh 09:31 * NCommander returns with a - bottle of diet coke and b - pop tarts 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 504 points, T:2003, killed by a magic missile 09:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 09:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:59 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:25949 10:01 thank you greased helmet of excellence 10:01 got lucky with this evilhack game, found a can of grease early 10:01 and a helmet 10:03 -!- {Demo}1 has joined #hardfought 10:03 doh 10:04 <{Demo}1> goddammit 10:04 <{Demo}1> I need mfa on my servers 10:06 <{Demo}1> actually no, that wouldn't stop me from from using existing sessions 10:07 * NCommander works on the castle 10:12 Gah 10:14 Accidently got tangled in meelee with a disenchantor 10:17 wow demonbane and sunsword in the armoy 10:17 <{Demo}1> at least an archon won't get them 10:17 GoP \o/ 10:18 Less upset my gloves got disenchanted 10:18 <{Demo}1> disenchanters suck 10:19 lets see if i still remember how to solve sokoban 10:19 been a few months :P 10:20 <{Demo}1> my solution is to bitch about it and then look it up 10:20 <{Demo}1> unless it's one of the easy ones 10:20 <{Demo}1> I think I remember how do to most of them 10:21 <{Demo}1> all but the both end ones and 2a 10:21 the normal ones I can do without help... done them so many times 10:21 grunthack/unnethack i sometimes have to look up 10:21 and fourk 10:21 <{Demo}1> oh yeah I look those up hella 10:22 i debated adding new soko maps to evilhack but decided against it 10:22 <{Demo}1> ndnh lokoban > any variant sokoban 10:22 as most ppl dont like pushing the boulders around 10:22 whats different with lokoban? 10:23 Got the wand of wishing 10:23 \o/ 10:23 Debating if BoH/marker is the right wish combo 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3897 10:23 <{Demo}1> lokoban isn't sokoban 10:23 <{Demo}1> it's wild 10:23 <{Demo}1> it's explosive 10:23 <{Demo}1> it's not quite as boring 10:24 ah 10:24 mucho loco 10:24 <{Demo}1> the first level you get to chain explode gas spores 10:24 Debating on going to relieve Orcus of his wand for Master Kaen 10:24 <{Demo}1> the second level you get to dodge fire traps and ice in a weird stunt forest 10:25 <{Demo}1> the third one the walls literally explode 10:25 neat 10:25 <{Demo}1> the 4th one is super short soko end with explosive boulders 10:25 rofl 10:25 its like an action movie 10:25 boom boom explode boom fire 10:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed bag of holding named Hammerspace", on T:22430 10:27 hmm 10:28 YANI: create a bigger-than-gigantic dragon called uber or elder or whatever dragon, it drops scales that only MZ_LARGE or larger player races can wear 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8907 points, T:4371, killed by a gray dragon 10:28 err MZ_HUGE 10:29 <{Demo}1> yeah it's supposed to be representative of the dumbest cheesiest action movie conceivable 10:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "fixed uncursed magic marker named Armormaker", on T:22441 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Camaxtli, on T:3306 10:29 Only got two wishes 10:29 bah 10:30 <{Demo}1> k2 you could make it so regular dragons growup to that but that dragon never spawns 10:30 <{Demo}1> so if giants want that they'd have to work for it 10:30 <{Demo}1> oh right you don't have object sizes patch so they could just wish for it 10:31 yeah 10:32 <{Demo}1> considering adding blacksmiths to ndnh as a rather common early thing 10:32 <{Demo}1> that does item resizing for pay 10:33 i considered something like that 10:34 but giants are already balanced with abilities that help offset not being able to wear some armor 10:34 so if giants could then wear all armor, and have all its special unique abilities too... too OP 10:35 <{Demo}1> see dnh has upgrade kits but the balance around them sucks 10:35 AC is at a comfortable -27 10:36 So ... decision time 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 7284 points, T:5419, killed by a pyrolisk 10:36 Go down and get Orcus's wand of death, or try getting Master Kaen without 10:36 hahaha 10:36 <{Demo}1> smiths will require 2 of the same item to merge together into a larger one or something 10:37 burned up all my stuff and died from all of it 10:37 <{Demo}1> and hmm when they are shrinking items they'll have a chance of messing up and destroying it 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:3647 10:38 Interesting first wish 10:39 * NCommander doesn't think he's ever ued Mjollnir 10:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:44 -!- honu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:45 its not pad for a priest but i'd probably wish for something else too 10:45 s/pad/bad/ 10:47 if trollsbane was a neutral or unaligned mace it would be better for non-lawful priests 10:47 for lawful priests, of course, the Sceptre of Might is the best artifact 10:47 (except for those heretics who insist on Grayswandir even if they're restricted in it) 10:48 i'd go Staff for neutral priest i think 10:48 gives MR too i think? 10:48 <{Demo}1> nope 10:48 still 10:48 <{Demo}1> u can /od cyclops 10:49 better than mojo 10:49 and sweet sweet drain res 10:50 <{Demo}1> mojo is shocking 10:50 shockingly not good? 10:51 <{Demo}1> lol 10:52 as intelligent quest arti Staff is also curse resistant which is convenient for twohanders 10:52 <{Demo}1> twohanders suck 10:52 protip: leave holy water in strategic spots in the dungeon 10:52 I usually have one in the valley temple when I'm wielding something two-handed 10:53 yaeh valley temple is a good stash place in general 10:56 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 8984 points, T:7111, killed by an owlbear 10:56 fucking owlbears 10:57 hug of death 10:57 honestly i deserved that one 10:57 spend an hour playing carefully just to have to sit there on an Elbereth in a house in Minetown 10:57 it seriously wears on the nerves 10:58 * NCommander continues to make progress 10:59 * NCommander *actually* used wizard lock for once 10:59 The broken door reassembles and locks! 11:00 in fact I think my nethack binging habit can be characterized as some perverse take on the sunk costs fallacy 11:01 i get so damn mad with every foolish death and I can't come up with any other way to cope with it 11:03 You see here a mithril splint mail. 11:03 too bad i am a giant 11:03 <{Demo}1> owned 11:04 <{Demo}1> wear it like a hat 11:04 turn into zombie time ;) 11:04 "sent to the next life" 11:04 cute 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 173 points, T:593, zombified by a kobold zombie 11:06 K2, now you can do thriller 11:06 hi K2! *büschelbüschelbüschel* ;) 11:06 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2019-04-24 07:24 EDT: Brogue does have a health bar, plus it flashes warnings at you when you drop below certain percentages. Try playing it, you will see. 11:07 NCommander... lol 11:07 jonadab: yeah but that's not the same as knowing that you have, say, 19 HP left and the monster has a 3d6 attack 11:07 woo 11:07 got 50 HP out of a single nurse dance 11:08 190 total 11:08 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 11:08 WIsh I had another scroll of genocide to send in more nurses 11:09 <{Demo}1> damn that's a good deal 11:10 juicehack - you can apply fruit to create potions of fruit juice 11:10 jonadab: this could be taken as a legitimate YANI 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh4] w3 (yann) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 40387 points, T:9829, killed by a large kobold 11:16 tbh i haven't played nethack cuz i still don't have a machine dedicated for it 11:16 Smoky FJ just got even better :-) 11:16 much of late anyway 11:16 winny: Hang on, NetHack will practically run on your fridge these days 11:17 the problem is ui lol 11:17 invariably all mobile clients and ssh clients have inadequate input schemes, and i rather not play on my workstation... and my netbook is too distracting and short battery life 11:17 eyeballing a $60 used chromebook to install linux and call it barb after my favorite nh class 11:18 ok, Master Kean time 11:19 K2: tbh i really like the idea of zombies being actually dangerous 11:19 me too 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 438 points, T:909, killed by a rabid rat 11:20 Can someone remind me how to view the discoveries list 11:20 battery life> ah, yes, my old Psion Series 5 is old and obsolete and you can tell this because it goes for about 24 hours solid on a set of AAs, when they run out you just put some more in, and it has a proper keyboard :-/ 11:20 PavelB: \ 11:20 Thanks 11:20 Ok, master kaen is terrorifying 11:20 I've always been going into #name -> d 11:21 NCommander: just wand of death him? ;) 11:22 Pinkbeast: that sounds like a really wonderful nh device... i had a thread awhile back on nhwiki about good mobile devices for nh, and got almost no meaningful feedback from the community lol 11:22 How often do people actually find a /oD before the quest leader 11:22 LarienTelrunya, don't have one 11:22 I just got a rubber chicken 11:23 ah he's stoning resistnat 11:23 wait, you can stone nemeses? 11:23 yeah would have been surprised if that worked 11:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2636 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Pri Hum Fem Law), 338 points, T:671, killed by an arrow 11:23 winny: Well, it is monochrome, but NetHack's relatively playable on monochrome except for the fat tears you will shed on the Plane of Fire 11:26 Gah 11:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:25833 11:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25834 11:27 FINALLY 11:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3425 11:29 well, hack and derivatives were already harder to play on terminals that only supported lower- or uppercase letters at the same time. rogue didn't have that problem ;-) 11:29 * K2 starts compiling slex 2.5.0 11:29 Pinkbeast: oh gosh lol. Maybe Ishould start a page about good nethack devices on the wiki. 11:30 * NCommander waits for LarienTelrunya to disconnect from BSOD 11:30 oh my god, is Ragnarok coming? 11:30 will we all be sucked into a black hole? 11:30 not even a black can escape from slex 11:30 block hole 11:31 for fucksake 11:31 * NCommander gives K2 a round peg 11:31 jlyfgukfkysrtdks7y5tyf 11:31 block hole somehow sounds like it should be a slex monster... :D 11:31 compiled 11:31 initiating setup procedure 11:31 whoa! you compiled it in ONE MINUTE??? 11:31 a couple 11:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1940 points, T:3566, killed by a fire ant 11:31 on the esm server it took at least 10 11:31 -O0 is your friend 11:31 also, there were no compile errors??? amazing! 11:32 i didnt say there werent any compile errors 11:32 errors and warning fill my screen 11:32 yeah but if you're already at setting it up, that sounds to me like the compile must have finished properly 11:32 K2, your compiler screams in torment as it's mind turns inside out 11:32 yes 11:32 to both 11:32 LarienTelrunya: Why would you commit broken code in the first place? 11:32 I'm somewhat surprised that NetHack kept the unique letter/number per monster when color was added in 2.2. the explosion of monsters per letter (like the dragons) started only in 2.3 11:33 PavelB: just because it compiles on my windows machine doesn't necessarily mean it also compiles on linux 11:33 PavelB, more like it just doesn't compile on Linux; LarienTelrunya to my knowledge runs WIndows exclusively 11:33 ninja'd 11:34 also the reverse is true as well :D 11:34 (as seen with dnhslex, which compiled easily enough on linux but getting it to compile for windows was an unholy pain in the butt) 11:35 LarienTelrunya, I saw dnhslex on your LP thread. I fear the Sanctum in that variant 11:36 haha, well the dnhslex elder priest is not as bad as the slex one 11:37 need to go to the store, then I start the trip down to Vlad's 11:38 ok now i can start setup 11:38 work got in the way 11:39 Yesterday I went to the store for a single can of arizona tea, learned they had a sale and were selling it for 55c, and bought 16. 11:39 off to class i goes 11:39 nice, good deal. sounds lik ewalgreens 11:40 today I went to the store for a single box of cornflakes and saw they were having super-big packs of choco crispies so I bought one of those too :D 11:41 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:42 grocery stores have a way of making it impossible to leave with only what you originally intended to buy 11:43 they make me really anxious, but thankfully my grocery has a bar that specializes in craft beers... $2 pints... so i often have a 8% abv stout or ipa before shopping to loosen up the experience (which is invariably negative) 11:44 learned my lesson though... 6pm is a bad time to go shopping 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh4] val1 (yann) (Val Hum Fem Law), 22131 points, T:1032, killed by a jackal 11:45 my grocery store sells a chicken tenders/mac and cheese/mashed potatoes combo for like 5 bucks that goes a long way towards motivating me to go there as often as possible 11:45 not like a microwave dinner thing, actual hot food 11:46 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:46 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:46 Unix SlashEMExtended Version 2.5.0 (de75c12) - last build Wed Apr 24 15:29:24 2019.--More-- 11:46 on hdf-eu right now LarienTelrunya 11:47 will get other 2 soon 11:47 K2: alright cool, I'll test : 11:47 ) 11:47 gah stupid lag 11:47 Unix SlashEMExtended Version 2.5.0 (de75c12) - last build Wed Apr 24 15:29:24 2019. 11:47 yay :) 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1491 points, T:2790, killed by a brown mold 11:50 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:52 K2: is there an easy way to check whether the new quest levels (e.g. Yau-strt.lev and Xel-goal.lev) got compiled correctly? because I added a bunch of new roles with quests, and edited the makefile so they get compiled 11:52 i didnt get any errors during dat creation 11:53 dont you compile and play test on your end before making a release? 11:53 ah, so at least the dlb overflow error was averted this time :) and I guess you used the newest makefile with hardfought-specific changes? 11:53 yes 11:53 new version, new makesfiles 11:53 of course I compile and playtest, but just because it works on the esm server doesn't necessarily mean it also works on hdf because we are on freebsd ;) 11:53 makefiles 11:54 k2: what's going on here? i'm at minetown and when i move around, i "forget" the parts of the map i've seen already 11:54 @Winsalot: are you here? SLEX 2.50 is on hardfought-eu now, in case you want to play! *bundlebundlebundlebundlebundle* ♥ 11:54 i'll die soon anyway, there's a gnomish wizard with cone of cold 11:54 hothraxxa: the forge patch 11:54 already took out bouquet 11:55 it was applied when this game was already on-going 11:55 the forge patch? 11:55 yes 11:55 it reordered dungeon features 11:55 elaborate? 11:55 my bad 11:55 so already existing levels, will look weird 11:55 and some thing changed to something else 11:56 newly loaded maps - unaffected 11:56 ok sure, but i started this game only this morning 11:56 eh 11:56 never been here before 11:56 lemme watch your game 11:56 ah, but bouquet has. 11:56 it's a bones level, probably from before the patch 11:56 ah yes 11:56 that would explain it 11:57 i should prob kill all the bones files 11:57 there arent many 11:57 or kill the older ones 11:57 i don't think i'll survive this stupid wizard 11:57 pets might get him but i doubt it 11:57 stupid wizards are stupid 11:58 he's smart enough to know cone of cold 11:58 LarienTelrunya how many new roles/races did you add to slex? 11:58 i am updating beholder bot 11:58 K2: since the last hdf version, 20 roles IIRC; don't exactly remember the # of races 11:58 would probably be easier if I just count how many there are in total now 11:59 when you get time, send me a list of the new roles/races 11:59 please 11:59 hmm I think I can make one by using github's history function for role.c 11:59 any new branch levels? 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh4] val2 (yann) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 20676 points, T:1127, poisoned by a water moccasin 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Adept, on T:3510 12:00 didn't add any new branches in a long time; the only new levels are the role-specific quests for the new roles 12:00 k 12:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:00 but I can double-check to make sure 12:01 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 12:01 -!- tepper.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ EvilHack official release, now available for play here! 12:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 12:01 so I did indeed not add any new branches or make other changes to dungeon structure since then 12:02 !ping 12:02 K2: Pong! 12:02 !who 12:02 K2: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [evil] Karnac [nh362] yann [nh4] picaresquieu [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 12:03 !who 12:03 K2: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [evil] Karnac [nh362] yann [nh4] picaresquieu [un] | [hdf-eu] k2 [slex] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:03 !whereis k2 12:03 K2: [hdf-eu] k2 [slex]: (Ass Mns Fem Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 12:03 i'm an ass 12:03 \o/ 12:04 the assassin is called assassin because he stabs his victims in the ass! :D 12:05 alright I'll make a list of the new roles and races, but it's gonna take a while 12:05 is that canon 12:05 I could believe slex actually saying that somewhere 12:07 i am sooo fucked here 12:07 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: oh shit, 2.50 already? What new terrifying things does it add? 12:08 @Winsalot: lots of new roles, among other things ;) you can play a space marine, janitor, cyberninja, mastermind or other cool stuff! 12:09 <@Winsalot> Are those new roles documented anywhere? 12:10 not yet, but it's planned 12:10 Is slex a superset of zapm yet 12:11 haha yeah 15 new roles are from ZAPM/PRIME, and actually have to complete the space base and sewer before they can go to the dungeons of doom :D 12:11 hm. no beholder announcement 12:11 robot town, sewer plant, the rabbit hole and the BOFH are all there, too 12:11 how will people know to come to my funeral? 12:11 dammit beholder 12:11 !ping 12:11 PavelB: Pong! 12:11 oh i know why 12:12 i updated beholder but slex isnt updated on hdf-us yet. slex file paths are before evilhack 12:12 slex file paths do not exist on hdf-us yet 12:12 i better get crackin 12:18 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: any changes to occult & chaos spells? Maybe psion buff? 12:18 @Winsalot: elemental, occult and chaos spells were improved, mostly by there being more of them and the new spells should hopefully be more useful than the previously existing ones 12:19 -!- wvc_ has joined #hardfought 12:20 K2: zruty race is already in your list? 12:20 Hey you know what's cooler than a ZAPM space marine 12:20 A 40k space marine 12:20 prob 12:20 i dunno 12:21 <@Winsalot> Any short description of mastermind role? 12:21 <@Winsalot> also any new races I would like? 12:22 @Winsalot: yes, but this stupid windows 7 has the biggest lag of all times right now so I can't post the list 12:22 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:23 <@Winsalot> should switch to linux 12:23 K2: https://pastebin.com/raw/zKVe6bz5 12:23 kfce or something 12:23 *xkfce 12:23 er 12:24 sticky k key 12:24 * NCommander returns 12:24 man I'm just about to reboot in the hopes of ending this GIGALAG 12:25 Today I learned that lag makes LarienTelrunya ragequit 12:25 Also, evil patch idea, a trap that makes the game only accept input every ten seconds :) 12:26 Oh boy now LarienTelrunya is actually gonna implement that as a nasty trap 12:26 nah, slex already has lag traps 12:26 thanks LarienTelrunya 12:27 np : 12:27 ) 12:27 gah lag again! 12:27 why does it keep failing to register the ) keypress? 12:28 whoever invented religion probably didn't live a happy life and wanted afterlife to make up for it 12:28 @Winsalot: https://pastebin.com/raw/zKVe6bz5 is the list of new roles and races. I'll eventually get around to writing documentation for them on the wiki ;) 12:28 FIQ: wut 12:29 K2: just saw this on Winsalot's game: /slex-2.5.0/xlogfile_lock: Operation not permitted Cannot lock xlogfile for unknown reason (1). 12:29 hmm 12:29 LarienTelrunya: What's the japs race? 12:29 oh 12:30 PavelB: uhh I wish I had the documentation; windows 7 explorer's search is shit so I can't easily grep for all occurrences for PM_JAPS but they do have to adhere to the samurai code of conduct 12:30 winsalot still finishing a 2.4.2 game? 12:31 Not like gameplay-wise 12:31 just what is a japs 12:31 @Winsalot you here 12:32 K2: Winsalot is playing 2.50 already 12:32 PavelB: a japanese ;) 12:32 hence samurai conduct 12:33 I see 12:33 Isn't calling someone a jap considered derogatory 12:33 should be good now 12:33 perms thing 12:34 PavelB: uhh I dunno? 12:35 Wikipedia says it's a slur 12:35 And offensive to a lot of people 12:35 PavelB is correct 12:40 k2: i died again and k2 didn't notice 12:40 just kick me as you pass 12:40 * NCommander slowly works on his chinese food 12:41 damn, that wasn't my intention... guess I should rename it to something else, e.g. "japura" 12:41 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 12:41 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ EvilHack official release, now available for play here! 12:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 12:41 !ping 12:41 K2: Pong! 12:41 !setmintc k2 12:41 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 removed. 12:42 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 0 points, T:40, zapped himself with a spell 12:42 \o/ 12:42 <@Winsalot> K2: Im here 12:42 > Japurá is a municipality located in the Brazilian state of Amazonas. 12:42 hah 12:42 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 12:42 @Winsalot you shouldnt see anymore lock file errors in slex 12:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 12:43 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 12:43 <@Winsalot> ok, I didnt notice them anyway 😃 12:44 hah 12:45 LarienTelrunya, here's a patch I should implement for SLEX https://alt.org/nethack/dudley/?129 12:45 NCommander: haha :) 12:46 @Winsalot: by the way, the spell menu (accessed with + where you can rearrange your spells) now has some new functionality :) 12:47 why are you taking off your robe? the robe is a body armor, you can wear it together with a cloak 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 396 points, T:953, killed by a giant mimic 12:54 Slash'EM Extended updated (all servers) 12:54 ^ new version, 2.5.0 12:55 yaaaaaaaaaay :) 12:55 A SLEX update briefly materializes in your hand before vanishing 12:55 thanks K2! ♥ 12:56 \o/ 12:56 fleecy bundles 12:56 :D 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4048 points, T:3358, killed by a red dragon 12:58 NCommander: once your xnh game ends, I shall bundlebundlebundle you into playtesting the new slex :D 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh4] val2 (yann) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25411 points, T:3289, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted garter snake 13:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] MayoiSnail (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2661 points, T:1614, killed by a hill orc called Agrisuoth of Othogul 13:03 [hdf-us] [slex] MayoiSnail (Mah Hum Fem Law), 16 points, T:176, poisoned by a large cockroach 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8936 13:11 [hdf-us] [slex] MayoiSnail (Pok Gno Mal Law), 133 points, T:414, killed by a monster (Oh, there is a starlit sky!) 13:14 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 13:14 !ping 13:14 jonathanhanes: Pong! 13:15 !who 13:15 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] MayoiSnail [dnh] hothraxxa [evil] Karnac [nh362] Bartlem [nh362] yann [nh4] picaresquieu [un] | [hdf-eu] bubbles [slshm] elenmirie [evil] winsalot [slex] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:16 I really like the evilhack color :) 13:16 heh 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh4] babr2 (yann) (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 3011 points, T:747, killed by a water demon 13:19 LarienTelrunya, I have motivation to be an extinctionist now 13:19 NCommander: oh I see 13:19 well, I'll check back in two weeks to see whether you've ascended yet ;) 13:19 jk :) 13:20 * NCommander looks at the dungeon 13:20 * NCommander sighs, could use a hug in real life 13:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:20 LarienTelrunya: Oh, that. Farlook a monster. It will tell you things like "At worst, the ogre can kill you in two hits." 13:21 * LarienTelrunya cuddlecuddlecuddles NCommander ♥♥♥ 13:21 FIQ: When did I say _that_ (the juice thing)? 13:22 LarienTelrunya: It also says things like "Your dagger will damage the ogre for 6-15% of its current health" or whatever. 13:22 Really, Brogue gives you a ton of info in the UI. 13:22 LarienTelrunya, I just need to mail you to Brooklyn 13:22 jonadab: well that's better than nothing I guess ;) 13:22 What it doesn't have, is a decent wiki. 13:22 The Brogue wiki is ... really thin. 13:23 Like, it would actually be practical to print the whole thing out on reference sheets and laminate them. 13:26 * LarienTelrunya just posted slex 2.50 announcements on nethackwiki, roguebasin, 4chan, reddit, gamefaqs and temple of the roguelike :D 13:26 jonadab: no idea 13:26 it's on nhqdb 13:26 temple of the roguelike? 13:26 https://forums.roguetemple.com/index.php?topic=4230.15 13:27 LarienTelrunya, BTW, dunno if you knew, but Castle of the Winds is available as freeware 13:27 NCommander: are you kidding? I grew up with castle of the winds and played it to death as a child :D 13:27 LarienTelrunya, nope 13:28 what I'd really like to have would be the unpatched version of the second part though 13:28 LarienTelrunya, from the author https://web.archive.org/web/20110717071112/http://www.exmsft.com/~ricks/ 13:28 only got the patched one 13:28 unpatched? 13:29 well at some point Rick made a 1A patch, and I don't agree with all the changes it made; I do have the unpatched 1.0 version of part one from an old shareware CD but not the second part 13:29 i.e. I only got the second part when it was released as freeware 13:30 back then I was constantly nagging my parents with "i want cow 2! i want cow 2!" and eventually dad found it via google :) 13:32 What were the changes? 13:32 can no longer avoid hidden glyph traps via levitation (gaaaaah), being vulnerable to an element no longer buggedly makes you immune (good I guess), casting sleep and then leaving a level no longer corrupts the save (also good), underground rivers no longer exist (awwwwwwwwwwwwww) 13:33 and some other changes 13:33 oh, and hurting a monster in a killer room activates all monsters in that room with the patch; previously you could lure them out one by one 13:33 LarienTelrunya, https://archive.org/details/W3CASTLE <- here's a pre-release version (0.5.3) 13:34 NCommander: wtf? you mean a *very early* alpha version?! 13:35 oh crap, it doesn't run here on windoof 7 13:35 gotta try on my xp machine 13:36 and I should also install dosbox here :D 13:37 LarienTelrunya, it's a 16-bit binary so it only runs on a 32-bit version of windows. And yeah, it's an alpha 13:37 lol he actually calls rune of return "word of recall" there, as in Moria/Angband 13:38 * NCommander has successfully distracted LarienTelrunya 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 582 points, T:2922, killed by a crossbow bolt 13:38 K2, quick, replace SLEX with another variant so we can all get "ascensions" 13:39 lol 13:39 aww it's a shame he made shops not stock (or buy) cursed or worthless items! why prevent the shops from trying to sell the player broken boots or distillations of water? that would be fun if they did :P 13:40 "Fixed a bug in the time code that made the time counter wrap at max short rather than max long." well... I've still had the counter wrap at about 255d or so in the official version 13:40 also, if you go to the second town, a full in-game day passes but if you had a timed effect (e.g. detect monsters) active that would normally last for 30 in-game minutes, you'd still have it active in the second town 13:41 I should probably get Castle of the Winds installed on my WIndows 3.1 laptop 13:41 * NCommander has PC-Rogue on it 13:41 Didn't know about CoW until relatively recently 13:41 whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat you have a machine that runs 3.1??? I want that!!! 13:42 * NCommander retrieves a ThinkPad 380D from his bag of holding 13:42 * LarienTelrunya would die for a machine that still runs MS-DOS and windows 3.1 natively today 13:42 been thinking about installing 3.1 on thi extra 2003 era pc i have, currently it just runs plan9 lol 13:42 (d) - a ThinkPad 380D 13:42 d - d 13:42 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42 Your movement becomes unburdened 13:42 FIQ: Ah. 13:42 Probably not recently then. 13:42 That explains why I had no context for it in my head. 13:42 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 13:43 here's a weird thought, what if u could put - in containers, and drop - 13:43 "woops, accidentally dropped my hands" 13:43 winny: That would make it possible to have both tea and no tea at the same time. 13:43 LarienTelrunya, if I make it to the fatherland this year, I might be able to russle up something for you though you'd need a 120v->240 adapter and get used to a QWERTY keyboard 13:44 NCommander: ugh, I don't think I have such an adapter 13:44 I could probably also russle up one of those 13:45 LarienTelrunya, or do you mean dealing with a QWERTY kb? 13:45 but I guess you wouldn't just give the laptop away for nothing, since those old things are probably precious nowadays ;) 13:45 nah the keyboard wouldn't be much of an issue and windows 3.1 should have regional settings :D 13:45 LarienTelrunya, it's somewhat dependent, I don't have localized versions of DOS or Win 3.1 13:46 LarienTelrunya, I can get them fairly cheaply. $50 USD or less if you don't care about a working battery 13:46 I need to rebuild the battery on the lugpad 13:46 ah, well I'm running an english version of 3.1 on dosbox and never had a problem with the keyboard ;) 13:46 Real hardware is somewhat different 13:46 what? you get them for $50? here in germany they're selling them for 700 € or so on ebay, unless I'm blind 13:47 https://www.ebay.de/itm/202550078009?ul_noapp=true - is that like the one you mean? 13:47 LarienTelrunya, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-ThinkPad-385XD-Laptop-TYPE-2635-Intel-P2-233-MHz-13-3-LCD-Screen/333124065711?hash=item4d8fbdd9af:g:SjIAAOSwbjNckaFU 13:47 LarienTelrunya, I know how to fix that error 13:47 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Fem Cha), 523 points, T:818, killed by a monster (Ms. Sipaliwini, the shopkeeper) 13:47 Just needs a new CMOS battery 13:47 that pc might even be fast enough to play mp3's 13:48 My 380D is actually my first laptop ever 13:48 oh, silly me, apparently the one I linked was a recent lenovo model with win 10 and stuff 13:48 er, second 13:48 It changed a hands a few times and I found it in a dumpster 13:49 Still with it's original install of Windows 95 registered to my dad 13:49 does dell still ship PC's with a freedos option 13:49 heh 13:49 But it was fully supported with WIndows 3.1 and OS/2 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh4] S1 (pala) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 12115 points, T:463, killed by a water demon 13:49 I actually use it to reflash Motorola radios as those need a real serial port and are tempermental as fuck to change the codeplug on 13:50 whaaaaaaaat COW actually has sound support, according to that readme file??? I've always made up my own sound effects in my mind because the game never had sound on any system I tried to play it on! 13:50 LarienTelrunya, that being said, depending on the hardware, a lot of newer machines can be coaxed to run Windows 3.1/MS-DOS 13:50 NCommander: do you mean via dosbox? because the emulated OS is not the same, especially when playing COW 13:50 LarienTelrunya, WIndows 3.1 sound was fucking brainfucked. It was remarkably hard to get working, and a lot of games wanted an actual wavetable card. 13:50 LarienTelrunya, no, I mean running DOS and 3.1 on native hardware 13:51 I've actually run DOS 5 on my i7 desktop from HDD; no sound as I don't have a soundblaster compatible card in it 13:51 wow, you mean they can be made to run on a win7 lenovo thinkpad? 13:51 tbh i've spent a lot of time in freedos... maybe i should install msdos one of these days 13:51 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:51 LarienTelrunya, generally yes 13:51 learned myself debug.com and a bunch of other standard dos things 13:51 SVGA/VESA games are a little hit and miss. 13:51 NCommander: awesome! if only I knew how to make it work... 13:52 * NCommander hands LarienTelrunya a blessed scroll of tech support 13:52 :D 13:52 DO you have a USB floppy drive? 13:52 Some PCs will emulate a real floppy with them, otherwise it gets somewhat trickier (not impossible) 13:53 uhh... I do have USB ports, but not sure whether they are "floppy drives" 13:53 no, I meant a floppy drive that plugs into a USB port :P 13:54 USB ports post-date WIndows 3.1 by many years 13:54 * K2 has a usb floppy drive 13:54 oh, so you mean a tool where you insert a floppy disk and that tool then goes into your USB port... nah I don't have that 13:54 * NCommander bought a box of floppy disks of AMazon this year 13:54 I'm guessing with VAT taxes they're stupidly expensive 13:56 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:58 * NCommander really feels :( in real life 13:59 NCommander: play slex! *bundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundle* it's very fleecy and will make you feel better! ♥ 13:59 LarienTelrunya, I'm not sure I'm in the mood to play any roguelikes at the moment 14:00 LarienTelrunya, if you want to attempt to install DOS/Windows 3.1 on modern PC hardware, let me know, I can probably talk you thrugh it 14:00 It's usually easier to setup VirtuaBox/QEMU and DD an image over 14:00 NCommander: thanks, I'll get back at you about that at some point when I have the time :) 14:01 would be great to be able to boot into DOS on this laptop :D 14:02 * NCommander hears an invisible choir call out. "These are your parent's boot disks, passed to you so you may undertake a great quest". An object appears at your feet. "A - 3 MS-DOS 5.0 floppy disks" 14:03 <{Demo}1> google app script makes me anger 14:03 * NCommander also sees a package called "Borland C++ for DOS" in the corner, and a multi-part zip file of the NetHack source code 14:04 The insane part of me wants to try compiling SLEX under DOS again 14:05 good luck 14:05 I tried once before, but the compiler ran into issues 14:09 Probably easier to cross-compile from Linux to DOS with openwatcom 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh4] S3 (pala) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 17285 points, T:695, poisoned by a water moccasin 14:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:26466 14:33 technially just the VoTD 14:35 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "greased +2 fireproof cloak of magic resistance", on T:9167 14:38 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:40 * NCommander is now in Gehennom proper 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 1392 points, T:2571, killed by a wand 14:45 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +2 t-shirt named Totally Awesome!", on T:26620 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh4] P4 (pala) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 23888 points, T:1780, killed by a giant bat 14:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:27105 14:55 -!- sodastabbed has joined #hardfought 14:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:27465 14:59 One down 15:01 -!- sodastab has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 29237 points, T:11029, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 15:15 -!- sodastab has joined #hardfought 15:20 -!- sodastabbed has quit [Quit: *BLAM* Clone terminated.] 15:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:28 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 6417 points, T:2260, killed by a gnome 15:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:28386 15:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:28388 15:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:28390 15:30 Vlad is not wimpy in xnh 15:30 That was a hard fight 15:34 did he run downstairs? 15:35 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the ghost of picaresquieu, the former Trailblazer, on T:11775 15:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:28684 15:39 Don't think I've ever gotten a throne genocide before 15:39 hothraxxa, yeah, plus he teamed up with Orcus who escape me earlier, but I got his WoD with 0:6 on it 15:40 i always put a boulder on the stairs these days 15:41 in evilhack however, he spawned a hill giant shaman who picked up the boulder and threw it at me 15:41 among others. it was a brawl 15:42 in evilhack he wields lifestealer, which drains levels 15:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "fixed cursed magic marker", on T:29177 15:48 Didn't mean to burn that wish 15:51 <@kriptospicebox> what'd you mean to wish for NCommander? 15:52 Didn't mean to use it at all 15:53 It was in reserve. Decided to get a cursed marker so I can write cursed scrolls of genocide for astral as I have no unholy water 15:53 I've got plenty of holywater so I can decurse the marker if I need to 15:53 xnh allows you to safely undo a wish function without burning one up 15:53 (so does evilhack) 15:53 just hit esc 16:01 Didn't know that 16:01 too late now 16:02 * NCommander is looking for the VS before tangling with Rodney 16:02 I think I'm good enough to ascend at this point 16:02 <@Tone> What does that do if it was from wresting a wand, or from a lamp/potion? 16:08 mind flayer rubber chickened :) 16:08 @Tone dunno, never tested that 16:10 found the VS 16:11 i found hothraxxa old pet 16:11 You chop Fierce! Fierce bites!--More-- 16:12 Fierce almost kicked my ass 16:13 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed hothraxxa's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2049 16:15 oh that was $!@# brilliant 16:16 * NCommander got his bag of holding wet 16:16 somehow I managed to pour water INTO it 16:17 that's when you dip it when it's cursed 16:17 "Water gets into your bag of holding! The water glows for a moment." 16:18 or, of course, when you have a swimming accident while carrying it 16:21 ARGH 16:21 AEGH AGH AGH 16:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 793945 points, T:30536, drowned in a moat by a giant eel 16:22 I fatfingered 16:22 whaaaaaaaaaaat 16:22 noooo 16:22 rip NCommander :( didn't you have lots of scrolls of genocide to get rid of the semicolons? 16:22 I've never bothered to genocide ; 16:22 It's never been an issue, I'm usually good at killing them at range 16:22 personally, I never trust semicolons or petrifying things in vanillaoid variants, and therefore always blessed genocide ; and c 16:23 now your bag is definitely full of water 16:23 NCommander :( 16:23 That really upsets me 16:23 * NCommander was already having a shitty day 16:23 I usually wear oilskin for Rodney's eels and genocide them on the plane of water 16:23 so they're not replaced by other things like S 16:23 Didn't have oilskin 16:23 *sigh* 16:23 suppose I'm lucky I didn't have the amulet 16:24 that's the only way it could hav ebeen worse 16:26 arghhhhhhh 16:28 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:28354 16:28 I could play SLEX now I suppose but I'm just .... *fuck this* 16:29 NCommander: well I was about to say something to the effect of "now might be a good time to blow off some steam by playing a throwaway slex char on your alternate account" 16:30 * NCommander does it 16:30 -!- honu has joined #hardfought 16:30 * LarienTelrunya watches ♥ 16:31 "What's the worst that could possibly happen?" 16:33 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:34 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 16:37 LarienTelrunya, tips for scroll iding? 16:37 NCommander: well you can either use scrolls of standard id, or just read them at random (make sure to wield some weapon and wear throwaway armor to catch enchant/destroy weapon/armor) 16:37 or you could wait until you have a sizable amount of scrolls and read the ones you have the most of, which will hopefully let you find identify 16:38 oh frig 16:38 Kestrals appartantly are human 16:38 yeah, all K are human in slex 16:38 Well I'm so going to ascend this char 16:39 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Mon Inc Fem Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:903 16:39 -!- honu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:42 [hdf-us] [slex] NCslex (Fir Hum Mal Law), 408 points, T:934, killed by a monster (man eating plant) 16:43 !who 16:43 K2: [hdf-us] zor [ndnh] k2 [evil] Bartlem [nh362] RedArrow [nh362] Gaelan [nh362] kincle [nh362] pala [nh4] MaxLunar [slex] NCslex [slex] bouquet [un] nutterbutter [un] Lachtain [spl] MayoiSnail [xnh] | [hdf-eu] ripuli [spl] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:43 damn 16:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:47 LarienTelrunya, what the heck is a buring wagon 16:48 NCommander: basically a fiery tile that will keep doing fire damage if you stand on it; you will be resistant, but your items can still burn up 16:48 oh wait, you're a barbarian so I guess you're not resistant now 16:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] zor (Mon Inc Fem Law), 8168 points, T:1609, killed by an orc-captain 16:50 Dl:2 throne 16:50 This doesn't feel like a trap at all ... 16:50 do you feel lucky today? 16:50 if you're going to use it, better put that gold away first so it doesn't get deleted 16:52 Staircase down is blocked by a painlord, so to the mines I go 16:52 this won't end badly at all 16:52 you could try to #force the gunnhild, and with some luck that will kill it in one shot (they have very little health and using the force command bypasses their -30 AC) 16:54 Painlord. 16:54 well, a "zero gunnhild Painlord"; zero gunnhild is the base monster and painlord is its egotype 16:55 which, incidentally, allows it to use an extra-painful attack that deals damage depending on the player's max HP 16:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:56 * elenmirie readies Klingon pain sticks 16:57 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Sam Gul Nbn Law), 491 points, T:1349, inhumed by a gnome 16:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a lembas wafer on an altar, on T:3326 17:01 LarienTelrunya, it says I need +1 weapon to hit 17:01 NCommander: yes, but #force bypasses that too :) 17:01 LarienTelrunya, well I made it to Minetown 17:01 yay! 17:01 Which is probably an accomplishment 17:02 I've been watching all along :) 17:02 creepy. 17:02 how do you tell a fake arfict from the real thing? 17:02 NCommander: if the base item is fully identified, the in-game item information will tell you; otherwise I can look at the course 17:02 err, source of course 17:03 I can look at the source, just being lazy :) 17:03 heaven's call to arms is an artifact tempest horn; improvising with it will use up a charge and shoot a lightning bolt 17:03 Handy 17:03 I just IDed it 17:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2974 points, T:3604, killed by a small mimic 17:05 guess loadspeaker trap? 17:05 seems like it, or maybe a monster with fake plines attacks 17:07 [hdf-us] [slex] NCslex (Bar Hum Mal Law), 4957 points, T:1703, killed by a monster (trermlaine), while fumbling 17:07 nO DEATH MESSAGE? 17:07 rip :/ 17:07 There it is 17:07 I'm just getting the hang of slex 17:08 scrolls of healing would probably have saved you there, unless the rate of damage you were receiving was higher than what a scroll would heal 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2758 points, T:2093, killed by a rothe 17:15 [hdf-us] [un] zor (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1596 points, T:1304, killed by a dart 17:16 AC -5 on DL2 17:16 yeah, crystal plate mail is strong :) 17:17 wow, Shadowdisk is one of the few artifacts that give blindness resistance 17:17 nice find! 17:20 [hdf-us] [evil] zor (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 250 points, T:355, killed by a gnome lord 17:20 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 17:21 <{Demo}1> i want some more doomscreamer 17:21 <{Demo}1> that weapon is cool 17:23 NCommander: the ring of poison resistance is actually useful for a barbarian now, since double poison resistance is better than single resistance ;) 17:24 Oh 17:24 * NCommander goes back and gets it 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1926 points, T:1905, quit 17:25 careful, don't get owned by the jennifer :D 17:25 you can eat her away to stop her from reviving constantly 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 818 points, T:1727, killed by a giant ant 17:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3313 points, T:4739, killed by a soldier ant 17:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:27 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 618 points, T:1957, killed by a boiling potion 17:31 exploding door 17:31 well, at least it isn't zombies 17:31 in grunt/xnh/evil i always check for trapped doors. except this one time... 17:31 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Wiz Mer Mal Neu), 5211 points, T:4368, inhumed by a wallaby 17:31 i was being pursued 17:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:32 I stopped playing evil for a while because I was sick of 3/4 deaths being due to ombies 17:32 zombies 17:32 therefore I am making a protest 17:32 you shoulda played when he first released it 17:32 Grassy: you now have a new option with slex 2.50, which has way less zombies! :D 17:32 peaceful non-violent protest 17:32 grieviance received 17:32 there were more zombies and they revived faster 17:32 carry on 17:32 hothraxxa, heh 17:33 K2, acknowledged! 17:33 initially they were worse than grunthack zombies 17:33 now they're basically the same 17:33 much worse 17:33 did i mention they were also faster? 17:34 the intent was to be like gh zombies, not what they were from the start 17:34 i may have overlooked a couple bits 17:34 2 things I disliked about grunthack were beholders and the then overly-powerful zombies 17:34 well... get used to disappointment 17:34 but anyway, I do like the Z idea 17:35 my wizards aren't dying to zombies, mostly 17:35 maybe one did 17:35 beholders are in evilhack. you cant genocide them. but their stoning attack is slow stoning, not instant 17:35 yeah one got me on the way up with the amulet 17:35 I haven't lived in evil long enough to encounter beholders 17:36 i think that was the only one in ghte game 17:36 can't genocide the over-powerful beholders. great 17:36 we've recently fixed a lot of the 'placed monster in blah blah x, y' panic crap 17:36 one left 17:36 some game devs think that beholder have to be uber-powerful 17:36 its when zombies and priests or shopkeepers meet 17:36 they are mis-guided 17:36 @le?air elemental speed beholder 17:36 air elemental speed beholder (e) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 36 | Res: cold | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 0d0 gaze slow, 2d25 gaze sleep, 0d0 gaze disintegrate, 0d0 gaze petrification, 2d4 gaze cancellation, 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: -10 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, nopoly, infravisible 17:37 <{Demo}1> dnh has beholders and no one complains 17:37 <{Demo}1> they do a random gaze 17:37 <{Demo}1> has a chance to be delayed stoning 17:37 just cover your eyes, beholder becomes less of a threat than a kitten 17:38 a kitten with multiple eyestlks that kill you 17:38 I don't mind beholder as-such 17:38 there is the problem of detecting them 17:38 just the uber-beholders that were implemented in grunt 17:38 I don't actually know about evilhack beholders yet 17:38 as Zombies have eaten all my promising characters so far 17:39 its there if you're up for the challenge. if not, understandable 17:39 you can dip them in forges 17:39 K2: :P 17:39 <{Demo}1> k2 have you considered giving them telepathy? 17:39 ohhh, gauntlet thrown 17:39 Grassy you should read the changelog 17:39 you can stick it in here 17:40 demo beholders? 17:40 <{Demo}1> yeah 17:40 oh geez 17:40 then they'd be pushovers 17:40 no... then they'd zero in on you 17:40 as it stands they generate asleep 80% of the time 17:40 so what? everyone has telepathy by the time you run into them 17:41 can't detect beholders with telepathy? Why do you continue that? 17:41 telepathy is a bit different in evilhack 17:41 yeah well 17:41 obviously 17:41 if you have it, and the monster (or your pet) has it, they know exactly hwere you are 17:42 the only reason i've found beholders in any variant a threat is the potential for walking around a corner and bumping into one 17:42 otherwise, blind and beat the crap out of them 17:42 so ask yourself this. how many deaths do you have due to ants vs beholders. 17:42 i rest my case 17:42 NERF ANTS OMFG 17:42 I never die to beholders as I die to Z first 17:43 :) 17:43 wait until you meet locusts 17:43 and in GH I genocided beholders at first opportunity 17:43 zombies are dialed in 17:43 that is why I ascended 17:43 anyway, balance is a big word 17:43 i've never genocided beholders in grunt 17:43 <{Demo}1> ant death, time lost, a few minutes 17:44 I don't epect everyone to understand it 17:44 <{Demo}1> beholder death, time lost, a few houes 17:44 balance on which scale though Grassy? 17:44 mine or yours? 17:44 mine obviously 17:44 bzzzt 17:44 fail 17:44 :P 17:44 <{Demo}1> killing the player after turn 20000 is a dick move 17:44 I'm not the one who fails 17:44 <{Demo}1> to be saved only for when they deserve it bad 17:45 that's what's wrong with nethack: not enough mid and late game deaths 17:45 welp. evilhack wasnt made to be easy. not changing beholders 17:45 K2 If the user isn't happy then nobody is 17:45 <{Demo}1> beholders arent a problem 17:46 but at least you have hothraxxa 17:46 honestly, if no one plays evilhack but myself, i'm ok with that 17:46 <{Demo}1> end game is fine i think 17:46 <{Demo}1> i rolled into the planes in my boxers and visited two altars 17:46 if other ppl like it, great. if not... so be it 17:46 K2 you must be very happy 17:46 i've made changes already based on player feedback on things that made sense 17:46 I'm jealous 17:46 but i wont change something just because one or two ppl think its too hard 17:47 great 17:47 <{Demo}1> k2 mines r 2 hard make the temple 100% coaligned 17:47 grasshoppe, there are many fine things about evilhack. many fine things. 17:47 <--- amulet vs peer pressure, worn 17:47 <{Demo}1> k2 soko 2 hard remove some holes and give more boulders 17:47 K2 that amulet doesn't really work 17:47 <{Demo}1> dlvl 1 2 hard plz give aols 17:47 * K2 looks at his amulet 17:48 yup. batteries are in it 17:48 they are the wrong way around 17:48 <{Demo}1> give quest leader the bell of opening cause quest is 2 hard 17:48 its blinking 17:48 pretty... 17:48 at you 17:48 shiny 17:48 to say wtf is going on? 17:48 lol 17:48 evilhack mines suck 17:48 :D 17:49 orctown is better 17:49 <{Demo}1> evilhack mines > grunthack mines 17:49 <{Demo}1> any day 17:49 'more betterly' 17:49 <{Demo}1> less evil 17:49 k2 are you trying to get 1 1/100 ascension rate from experienced players? 17:49 <{Demo}1> hey i almost ascended 17:49 <{Demo}1> and i rolled into astral in my boxers 17:49 <{Demo}1> if rngesus loved me i would have ascended 17:49 i'm trying to give those that take vanilla nethack for granted, a challenge 17:50 myself included 17:50 sweet 17:50 <{Demo}1> hey k2 why dont u ascend evilhack? 17:50 i will eventually 17:50 good Q 17:50 <{Demo}1> i finally ascended ndnh after a year and a half 17:50 lol 17:51 K2 I feel vented, tyvm 17:51 rngesus lol 17:51 now vanilla seems too easy 17:51 anytime Grassy 17:52 I really love you too K2 17:52 i should try vanilla again and see if grasshoppe is right 17:52 hugs 17:52 grasshopper is right 17:53 love you guys more than I can say 17:53 i suspect so 17:53 after playing gh or sporkhack, i go back to vanilla and think wow. 17:53 sorry for the over-reveal 17:53 and then i die a million times anyways 17:53 <{Demo}1> im surprised i made it anywhere in evilhack 17:53 evilhack is the toughest of all, imo 17:53 <{Demo}1> spork harder 17:53 \o/ 17:53 <{Demo}1> grunt way easier 17:53 yay! 17:54 grunt starts out hard but gets fairly easy towards the endgame 17:54 <{Demo}1> grunt is so easy 17:54 spork is other way around (as it should) 17:54 <{Demo}1> once you get past the early game 17:54 <{Demo}1> spork is hahahahhah die on turn 40k 17:54 yes {Demo}1 17:54 <{Demo}1> just dont get unlucky in grunt in the lategame 17:54 <{Demo}1> thats all 17:55 its not supposed to be easier the closer you get to the final end battle with the big boss monsters 17:55 <{Demo}1> k2 can we have object properties? 17:55 no 17:55 <{Demo}1> :( 17:55 it takes away from artifacts 17:55 gh went too far 17:55 way OP in gh 17:55 <{Demo}1> shhh 17:55 yeah 17:55 <{Demo}1> shhhhhhhhh 17:55 1st rule of fight club 17:55 but I liked the idea 17:56 <{Demo}1> hey k2 can we get huge ass laser guns 17:56 no 17:56 <{Demo}1> those would be cool too 17:56 would be 17:56 but no 17:56 shotguns! 17:56 <{Demo}1> what if they dont do anything but blind monsters 17:56 no 17:56 hey K2 can we get a bunch of shoooooooes? 17:56 <{Demo}1> can i get a laser pointer and make my cat cahse it? 17:56 <{Demo}1> (or my pseudodragon) 17:56 i'd be more willing to add sharks with frickin laserbeams on their heads 17:56 <{Demo}1> if i kill them do i get the lasers? 17:56 nice idea 17:56 yeah baby yeah! 17:56 I want sharks with lasers 17:57 sharknadoes! 17:57 <{Demo}1> time to slam down another slamurai 17:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] lizardo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1730 points, T:2377, killed by a giant beetle 17:59 <{Demo}1> a lizard beetle should be a monster 18:00 js it a lizard or a beetle? 18:00 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 18:00 is 18:02 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 18:05 shit, it just hit 5am (locally) 18:05 I'm suffering jet-lag, thinking (internally) it is only 2am 18:05 fork 18:05 need. sleep. 18:05 sleepy grassy 18:06 * Grassy zaps self with wand of sleep 18:06 just, y'know, if you think it 18:06 hey, I need to drive 9 hours later today 18:06 's normal to be up at 2AM... serves you right! 18:06 need? 18:06 and watch the latest Marvel Endgame movie as well before that 18:06 really? need? 18:07 not. need. 18:07 <{Demo}1> orctown! 18:07 guess I can sleep during that as I already have a good idea of how it goes 18:08 I booked ticket last night as servers were already overwhelmed 18:08 you can sleep while driving... you do have one of them new-fangled autonomous cars, right? 18:08 hah, lol 18:08 I am a master of the micro-sleep 18:08 I stop. I lay seat right back. I sleep for about 10-20 minutes 18:09 at least you stop. Some don't 18:09 begin again, refreshed enough (at least to not sleep at wheel) 18:09 i just had an 'ah hah' moment 18:09 Ah Hahahahaha! 18:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1922 points, T:1661, killed by a bolt of lightning 18:09 next version bump of evilhack... a nod to Grasshopper and the centipede that bit him 18:09 10-20 mins is good, before you go into deep sleep 18:10 K2 thanks 18:10 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:10 crap 18:10 I still have a lumpy scar to remind me 18:10 new monster 18:10 a centipede the likes of which you have never seen 18:10 fuk yeah 18:10 why won't this goddamn spreadsheet open... 18:10 and its name will be Steve 18:10 we never seen it 18:10 yelp 18:11 centipede bite pain = XXXXX XXXXX IMHO 18:12 I asked my Thai friend about this, i get it wrong and say scorpion. She says, no big deal. I said oh, no, I make mistake, I mean it was a centipede. She says, eek, now I see. 18:12 I blanked that out because I never done the XXXXX XXXXX, but have witnessed it twice 18:12 old army buddy of mine had been wounded in iraq, took three bullets from an ak-47 18:12 believe me, I suffered more 18:12 we get back to base (hawaii) he gets bit by a centipede 18:12 owch 18:13 said each felt about the same 18:13 oh fuck 18:13 yeah, that is right 18:13 * NCommander quits 18:13 My heart isn't into it 18:13 I felt like somebody had shot my foot off 18:13 :( 18:13 in fact, I wished that 18:13 those things would chase you 18:13 a foot long easy 18:13 and fast 18:14 yeah, I've seen longer 18:14 Oh gosh, but of course, it was lifestyle advice that would have really helped you ;) 18:14 elenmirie, yes!!!! 18:14 i should have eaten more vegies 18:14 eat more veg 18:14 according to the doc 18:14 and exercise 18:14 then I wouldn't ve so fat 18:14 be 18:15 lol, same here 18:15 yep, lifestyle advice is exacly what I need when I've been bitten by a centipede 18:15 definitely. Shape up, and fly right, it's all your fault after all! 18:16 My fault always! 18:16 I could *choose* to be thin, surely 18:16 usually it's mine, but you can every now and then have it be your fault 18:17 Oh, I always assume fault to be mine, before anything else 18:17 that is my curse (neurotic) 18:17 Hehe. Well, when it comes to being thin... my mother, my grandmother, my great-granmother were all fat. 18:18 I believe in fat 18:18 and none of them were idle 18:18 fat != unfit or idle 18:19 My great-grandmother lived in a dug out cave in rural Texas before she got a farmhouse 18:19 call her idle? 18:19 but she was fat 18:19 how horrid 18:19 because she had muscle 18:20 I have muscle, but as soon as I stop exercising etc I look fat 18:20 she had a lot of muscle, she was a strong woman, but was not thin like you are supposed ot be these days 18:20 I really adore rural women 18:21 or any woman that has put herself into her passion (ie like sport) 18:21 I *like* the well-rounded, well-shouldered look 18:21 my grandmother was fat, and she raised two children and lived through WWII working as a laundress/seamstress... call her idle? 18:22 nope 18:22 call her a real woman 18:22 She was, and her husband fought for the US in the Pacific theatre 18:23 YEAH! 18:23 Battle of Midway 18:23 <{Demo}1> damn 18:23 details??? 18:23 Gosh, I don't have many! 18:24 My Dad flew Wellington bombers during WWII 18:24 So proud 18:24 I just know he was in the SeeBees (sp) which was sort of the Navy corps of engineers 18:24 despite the tragedy always involved 18:25 He used to say to my Grandma, don't worry, I'm not on the front line... when he was actually ahead of the front line 18:25 engineers are always the lesser-sung heroes, but heroes just the same 18:26 yeah! 18:26 he just didn''t want grammma to get upset 18:26 that's right, and my mum and uncle who were only little at the time 18:27 I just read a book "Stay where you are, the leave!" by John Boyne 18:28 WWI, but same message 18:28 eh, yes 18:28 WWI has a lot of messages in it. 18:28 I just read a book "Stay where you are & then leave!" by John Boyne correction 18:28 -!- Frederic has joined #hardfought 18:29 I thought it was then leave :) 18:29 whatever, as long as aanybody following this can get the title 18:30 Pale Horse, Pale Rider - a very good novella (or is it a short story) about the 1919 flu epidemic 18:30 yikes 18:30 ok, will seek it 18:30 reading opens up so many coridors 18:30 corridors 18:30 yes it does! 18:30 :D 18:31 I gain a lot from e-readers too especially when I've been in hospitals 18:32 e-readers are wonderful when you are away from your own library, or want to expand it 18:32 speaking of which, I don't even know where my Kindle device is and I feel... exposed... without it 18:32 I only buy physical books now when I really need to - either they are not avialble on e-reader, or they contain pictures 18:33 yeah, pics lose\ 18:33 lose 18:33 yes, art books or even scientific books are a bit of a pain 18:33 and music books - don't go there 18:34 yeah well 18:34 I'm out for now 18:34 * NCommander is just :( 18:34 Gnight, NCommander! 18:35 I just visited the Australian National Gallery, too many good books at too high a price there 18:35 cya NCommander 18:35 Please be more :/ now 18:35 cya NCommander 18:35 still, I bought a couple 18:36 Oh gosh, every time I visit an art gallery I do the same thing 18:36 I was raised in an art-room, it isn't my fault 18:36 :) 18:36 (my dad was an art teacher) 18:36 were you really? 18:36 yes 18:36 oh, halluh! 18:36 it is in my DNA 18:36 :D 18:37 i cant draw a stick figure correctly 18:37 I'm trying to work on a piece of music that I wrote for a building burning down on a remote island 18:37 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Arc Ang Nbn Law), 344 points, T:853, inhumed by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:37 wish I appreciated my opportunity more 18:38 I've got a great-great-great-uncle who was a great artist 18:38 I am good with 3D representations of geometric objects, but sketching people is still hard 18:38 the blood is too diluted for me, I'm afraid 18:38 My great-aunt was an acknowedge artist in Australia 18:39 so was my Dad (to a lesser degree) 18:39 PM coming with details 18:39 Here's his best known work: https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/the-last-day-of-pompeii/tAFrCGFUhXM8Jg?hl=en-GB 18:39 I've seen that one 18:40 Oh, because of me? 18:40 I'm sure I've blagged about it here before :D 18:40 you posted it before 18:41 I'm a boring old repeat then 18:41 just google "Jessie Emily Scarvell" 18:41 or replace Scarvell with Bundock 18:41 wish I could be googled for anything more than designing DooM deathmathc levels 18:42 Me? Googled for ... nothing really 18:43 there's a keith simpson in england thats some sort of famous political hack 18:43 I like your great-aunt's work, Grassy 18:43 it's lovely 18:43 i havent googled myself in forever 18:43 she was pretty special elenmirie 18:43 yeah, she must have been 18:43 wait Grassy you designed doom levels? 18:44 in that era, female artists didn't really exist 18:44 hehehehehe 18:44 but she did 18:44 K2 yes 18:44 i think you told me that once before 18:44 Grassy: yes, so they did not 18:44 so cool 18:44 so she was like, 2X size 18:45 These days, this female artist is trying to exist! 18:45 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 18:45 I wish to be cool like her 18:45 My piano teacher played for me what I wrote, and it sounded good. Damn. 18:46 I can play myself one day 18:47 I wrote a piece of music after Fair Isle Bird Observatory burned down 18:47 10 pages deep and i dont pop up on a google search 18:47 sweet 18:48 helps when you have zwero social media presence 18:48 zero 18:48 nada 18:48 Oh god, google me and mostly what you get is me 18:49 <{Demo}1> it helps when u have a semi common surname 18:49 <{Demo}1> what sucks is having a rare surname 18:49 dumping my facebook account was one of the smarter things i've done 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3723 points, T:4894, killed by a water moccasin 18:49 no twitter, no linkedin 18:49 I got rid of Farcebook after Cambridge Analytica, which was probably too late 18:50 yeah 18:50 Must be great having no presence in history 18:50 but oh well 18:50 I have twatter under a false name, and linkedin under an even falser name 18:50 the way i see it is this - the people who matter, know how to reach me 18:50 Cranston Snerd 18:50 lol twatter 18:51 elenmirie, why should I be more :/? 18:51 ooh new phrase - more falserer 18:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:51 I'm listed as "chief slave, roman empire" and have a 2nd century mummy portrait as my profile picture 18:51 still i get junk mail 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:4463 18:53 <{Demo}1> oh hey thats been me sending it, ive been trying to get through to the chief slave of the roman empire for months! 18:53 elenmirie, "We are offering roomy accomitations in this newly discovered pyrmaid! Just send your gold coins to this address in Nigaria and we'll get you body moved right in!" 18:53 NCommander: because you said you were just :(, so I thought maybe it would improve if you were more :/ - a bit of a joke, of course it would be best if you were more :) 18:53 * NCommander needs a helm of opposite mood 18:54 Blessed be! 18:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Val Dwa Nbn Law), 267 points, T:1104, burned by a tower of flame 19:00 [hdf-us] [un] saxonysam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of richards, the former Thaumaturge, on T:13110 19:00 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:02 Think I'm done for tonight 19:02 look for me tomorrow 19:03 !sleep 19:03 night Grassy! 19:03 !zap Grassy 19:07 <{Demo}1> i am being defeated 19:07 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Bar Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a concave amulet on an altar, on T:3216 19:11 !goat beholder 19:11 jonathanhanes's goat runs up and kicks beholder in the kneecap! Baaaaaa! 19:12 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Quit: stealing from shopkeepers] 19:17 [hdf-us] [un] saxonysam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of zor, the former Initiate, on T:14251 19:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Bar Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:3324 19:22 <{Demo}1> why cant i just take a monst struct and set it to fmon and make it point to the previous fmon without everything shitting its pants? 19:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:32 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo (Nob Dwa Fem Law), 1374 points, T:1654, killed by a bolt of lightning 19:32 <{Demo}1> wtf, again 19:32 <{Demo}1> stop killing me with lightning 19:36 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:40 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo (Bin Sal Fem Non), 174 points, T:860, killed by Mr. Adjama, the shopkeeper 19:42 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Demo (Bin Sal Fem Non), 118 points, T:320, killed by a sewer rat 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:1022 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 7296 points, T:5283, killed by a gnome king 19:49 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 215 points, T:1163, killed by a giant spider 19:49 a gang of giant spiders 19:49 on dlvl3 19:52 <{Demo}1> that is intended 19:52 <{Demo}1> they can spawn as low as lvl 1 19:52 i know it's intended 19:52 i think i was the first evilhack player to get mobbed by them 19:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Lachtain (Pri Dro Mal Cha), 291 points, T:2040, offed by a dwarf 19:55 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 19:56 <{Demo}1> to get mobbed and die? maybe 19:56 <{Demo}1> i survived them on lvl 1 19:56 <{Demo}1> found a random scroll in first room and when i ran into them i dropped it hoping it was scare mon and it was 19:57 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:01 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:10 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 20:13 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3259 points, T:2868, killed by a chameleon imitating a zruty 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a mind flayer, on T:7969 20:21 oh dear 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 494804 points, T:40802, quit 20:22 I was bored of that game anyway 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8695 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:9619 20:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:9739 20:40 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 348 points, T:1974, zombified by a gnome zombie 20:42 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12860 21:05 -!- Frederic has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:14257 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1368 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:16568 21:39 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:44 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:31083 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] jonathanhanes (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 7622 points, T:5478, killed by an energy vortex 22:03 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:21930 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5214 points, T:3706, killed by a white unicorn 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:22911 22:18 [hdf-us] [un] saxonysam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 53341 points, T:20091, killed by an air elemental 22:31 [hdf-us] [un] saxonysam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1106 points, T:1501, killed by a dog, while sleeping 22:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:25184 22:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class N, on T:25234 22:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:25295 22:37 <{Demo}1> genocided N? 22:38 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 206657 points, T:26417, killed by an ogre king 22:57 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker named Ticonderoga No 2", on T:33541 23:08 question about where special levels appear according to the mazes of menace map https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Mazes_of_Menace#Map_2 23:08 Is the black market definitely between 20-24 or is that just an estimate? 23:12 [hdf-us] [un] saxonysam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2968 points, T:3581, killed by a gold golem 23:15 yay found it! 23:16 was it between 20-24? 23:19 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 23:23 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:32 Generally I think these maps show the total possible range and since the special levels are tied to each other, often once you know some facts, the location of other levels can be constrained. 23:32 The most obvious case is on the vanilla map VibSq is 44-52 and Sanctum 45-53 but obviously once you know where the vibrating square is, you also know what level the Sanctum is on. 23:45 sure was! 23:46 I had 100kzm burning a hole in my pocket 23:54 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 Helm of brilliance named Thinking Cap", on T:36323