00:05 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Gia Fem Law), 1648 points, T:2276, poisoned by an elf zombie 00:10 <{Demo}4> why are zombies the way they r in evil? 00:10 because thats how they are in grunthack 00:24 No worries K2. Splicehack has the same issue with monsters placed over other monsters. Beware that if this occurs while the game is restoring, this may cause the curses windowport to crash with impossible called impossible. 00:25 i've imported some splicehack code... what comes to mind is the monster can ride another monster bit 00:26 but that should not have been a factor at all in hothraxxa case 00:26 I've seen the amnesia object not in disco error in other places too. I have a hunch it's when you try to forget some knowledge that you started with, that is not an in-game 'discovery', but I have not had a good look at it. 00:26 i think your hunch is correct. during testing i'd get that, and in wizmode could id everything again, issue went away 00:34 K2: It's possible that this issue exists in vanilla but is not seen because amnesia tends not to happen until much later, when there's more discoveries to pick from. 00:35 are you watching my screen? lol i was typing something similar 00:35 If that's true, it should be possible to reproduce in wizmode by wishing for a scroll of amnesia or ^Ging a mind flayer on T:1 00:35 i have a game in wizmode now 00:35 one min 00:36 ...and if that works, we can make it the devteam's issue, and pull the fix from upstream :)\ 00:39 The mind flayer hits you! The mind flayer's tentacles suck you! 00:39 Your brain is eaten! You feel very stupid! named object not in disco 00:39 Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.) 00:39 that was evilhack 00:39 lemme do this with vanilla 00:42 aaaaand its an evilhack issue 00:42 cant reproduce in vanilla 00:43 hmm lemme try another thing 00:47 yup i cant reproduce in vanilla 00:47 evilhack issue for sure 00:47 so how did that creep in... 00:52 Tangles: where exactly IS the discoveries list kept? in memory? 00:53 K2: I'm not sure, I haven't really explored it. 00:56 dig through makeknown() (which I think is a macro for something else). 00:56 k 01:02 <{Demo}4> zombies are like the only early game monster that matters lol 01:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:09 <{Demo}4> cause getting him by them means ur fairly screwed 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:22928 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:22929 01:25 Izchak the Green-elf curses orcs. 01:26 kicked to death by a pony, not even an exciting new death 01:26 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:26 and I could have thrown it a clove of garlic but didn't realise I had that 01:27 I love the ethnic shopkeepers 01:31 lol, a stone skull cap 01:34 H - an uncursed silver pyramidal amulet (being worn). You hear an F note squeak in the distance. 01:34 amulet of perfect pitch 01:34 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:36 there are TOO MANY ZOMBIES 01:36 and that's not irony 01:36 I like almost everything but not the fact that evilhack is basically a zombie game 01:37 * raisse goes back to boring plain 3.6.2 01:37 where the zombies stay dead and don't make you deathly sick 02:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4990 02:10 double orctown bones. I feel tired already 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1268 points, T:902, killed by a killer bee 02:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 132 points, T:430, killed by a tower of flame 02:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:23444 03:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:38 K2: congratulations for releasing evilhack! have fun with players complaining "X is too hard" and "Y is too unfair" all the time :D I'm curious to see how you will handle that, and already sad that you gave in and made zombies slower :( 03:40 that said, how about making a "hardmode" birth option that makes the game maximally evil, for those who like a challenge? 03:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:58 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:58 [hdf-us] [evil] jonadab (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 521 points, T:2118, poisoned by a kobold zombie 04:01 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8927 04:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23 Does that mean falling rock traps on turn 1? 04:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:11293 06:06 <@Winsalot> just died in my best ever dnethack game so far. All I can say is just WOW. Why haven't I played this variant before? 06:07 K2: ")" to edit doesn't seem to work for evilhack 06:07 <@Winsalot> Fucking amazing 06:08 what's so great about it? 06:08 (i haven't tried it except in passing) 06:09 @Winsalot: if you like dnethack, you should try out dnhslex, which is like dnethack but with even more cool stuff *bundlebundlebundle!* 06:11 elenmirie_, nice ascension 06:11 thanks Andrio! 06:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:15 grats elenmirie_ 06:15 thanks! 06:16 evilhack eh 06:16 i still have to continue my ndnh game... 06:16 will finish that first and then take a peek at evilhack 06:18 even though it will probably hurt my feelings 06:21 undoubtedly! 06:21 * elenmirie_ is a centaur valk 06:22 oh lol 06:22 can you ride a horse as a centaur 06:22 I wouldn't think so 06:22 also do you have insane multishot now? 06:22 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: bundle master :D] 06:22 don't know yet, I just started 06:23 istr that centaur monsters get multishot bonus 06:23 ah fair 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:18599 06:39 phew 06:40 survived a gnome king with a wand of fire to get to reflectobag 06:46 In order to get reflection, you must first prove you don't need it. 06:57 hm, a mithril lamp 07:02 my pet got poison resistance from eating a cave spider 07:11 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 07:13 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Moonwind (Val Hum Fem Law), 354 points, T:1800, killed by a giant bat 07:33 Forget books. This is how you become literate. 07:34 hah 07:38 * elenmirie_ gets the bug spray 07:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 7146 points, T:8579, killed by a soldier ant 08:18 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02 to clarify, i would say "frustrated" not "pissed off" 09:02 <@K2> i've already pissed off hothraxxa ;) 09:03 \o/ 09:03 justifiably since you had to adjust the code 09:03 <{Demo}4> my altar scumming is going badly 09:03 didnt have to do anything ;) 09:04 but yeah i saw the error i made in regards to revival 09:04 amy already thinks i caved hah 09:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:05 imo weak starting characters didn't have much chance as it was 09:06 <{Demo}4> im gonna fight u 09:06 <+LarienTelrunya> K2: congratulations for releasing evilhack! have fun with players complaining "X is too hard" and "Y is too unfair" all the time :D 09:07 as i explained to fiq several times, i don't want developers to make the game easier because i find it hard. if i don't enjoy a game i won't play it. i believe developers should do whatever makes them happy 09:07 <{Demo}4> the early game diversity is great 09:07 i want to look at the gh code again 09:07 <{Demo}4> its either die to zombies or dont die to zombies 09:07 in this case, i'm trying to give k2 feedback 09:07 <{Demo}4> oh no im just complaining :P 09:08 <{Demo}4> i dont think i have any idea of whats going on enough to make suggestions 09:08 in grunthack, was every single hit from a zombies claw attack sick-inducing? 09:08 no 09:08 are you sure? 09:08 cuz i';m not 09:08 pretty sure 09:09 <{Demo}4> im pretty sure grunthack zombies are worse 09:09 <{Demo}4> but way less common? 09:09 <{Demo}4> idk 09:09 its easy to 'fix' that if thats the case 09:09 <{Demo}4> the fact that hobbit zombies exist causes a problem 09:09 <{Demo}4> cause they spawn in the same range as kobold? 09:09 demo" i'd say less common, yes 09:09 and early game it's mostly gnome zombies 09:09 and kobolds 09:10 hothraxxa you havent played again have you since you saved have you? 09:10 in grunt my experience is maybe 1 in 3 floors start with zombies 09:10 not yet, no 09:10 one sec 09:11 i can generate that error again if you need to see it 09:11 i just copied the save 09:11 :) 09:11 i'm working on one of the two now 09:12 i think i know why the first one occurs 09:12 (not in disco) 09:12 i don't think you changed this, but i prayed at an altar and i didn't get my int back 09:13 (loss from brain eating) 09:13 <{Demo}4> uh... wtf, a dwarf had a cloak that is giving me -10 AC 09:13 no i didnt touch that part of the code 09:13 thats all RNG 09:14 grunt can do that ithink 09:14 i've never seen -10 but i have seen some outrageous enchantments in grunt 09:14 {Demo}4 there's a very small chance of certain objects spawning as dragonhide material 09:14 so that cloak is prob dragonhide 09:14 oh can i get dragonhide mr + reflection cloak? 09:15 no 09:15 then fuck you 09:15 i did not port over obj properties 09:15 that was kind of ridiculous 09:15 * hothraxxa rage quits 09:15 bye :) 09:16 i was counting on that cloaj you batrads 09:16 anyway i should now go and kill that poor crippled healer 09:17 will mandevil's scoreboard pick up these games once he tracks evilhack? 09:17 <{Demo}4> it is but still thats nuts 09:17 yes 09:18 <{Demo}4> what kind of objects can be dragonhide? 09:18 gloves cloaks boots 09:18 any armor that could spawn as cloth or leather 09:18 t-shirt 09:18 elven helm 09:18 2% chance 09:18 but wishable right? 09:18 yup 09:19 so unihorn won't restore my lost int 09:19 nope 09:19 it's cruel that healers cast with wisdom but need int to read spellbooks 09:20 (not an evilhack issue) 09:20 <{Demo}4> i need a human corpse 09:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:20 i need a way to dispose of zombie corpses 09:21 <{Demo}4> wait telepathy is discrete? 09:21 tinning kit 09:21 lava 09:21 do you have furnaces a la splice? 09:21 no 09:21 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/doc/evilhack-changelog.txt 09:21 booo 09:22 although... 09:22 i kow about that but it's easier to be lazt and ask 09:22 that would add a bit of balance 09:22 but, its not too uncommon to encounter lava early on with the random vaults bit 09:23 <{Demo}4> is stormie still bloodthirsty? 09:23 yeah i didnt mess with stormbringer 09:24 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 09:24 <{Demo}4> can u send me a werefoo that leaves a corpse? 09:25 hothraxxa: well, you not wanting devs to make the game easier is one thing, but the devs can decide to make it easier anyway... and I've not only developed slex for a long time but also saw someone make a variant of it, who constantly caved whenever a player said something like "monster X killed me nerf plz!" :P 09:25 culminating in the complete eradication of the grue monster class in one case just because a player got killed by a high-level one! 09:26 developer's choice 09:26 i'll say what i don't like but i won't ask that it be changed 09:27 have i ever asked you to remove nasty traps? 09:27 or interface screws? 09:27 well I guess I'll shut up because whenever I talk about variants that are not my own I tend to only see/talk about the negative, and in this case I didn't even play evilhack yet so I shouldn't be making assumptions anyway :P 09:27 hothraxxa: you might not have done that, but many other players did 09:28 i think that's to be expected 09:28 yeah, but what they didn't expect is that the iron lady of SLEX wouldn't cave :P 09:28 what I did, though, is to tone down some of the nastiest trap effects because some of them rendered the game too unplayable 09:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a leather armor entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:12664 09:29 <{Demo}4> fuck off dumb god 09:29 hence my concern about evilhack zombies before the fix. too many people would give up 09:30 well my proposal was to make a hardmode birth option that would un-nerf things, i.e. in this case make zombies have grunthack speed again, for those players who want a challenge :D 09:30 such a birth option would default to off, of course 09:30 evilhack is spawned from grunt and spork for the most part. i like grunt and deal with the zombies. i don't like spork so i don't play it 09:31 <{Demo}4> evilhack is supposed to be a big fuck you 09:31 whether i will like evilhack depends on how much spork i see in the late game (assuming i ever get to the late game) 09:31 my hope was that evilhack was a complete grunt/spork fusion instead of a "only most of grunt/spork's things but some of them toned down" 09:31 i suspect a lot of spork 09:32 {Demo}4 no it isnt 09:32 <{Demo}4> oh it has evil in it and it is spork+grunt 09:32 <{Demo}4> and both of those are a big fuck you 09:32 its more than just grunt+spork 09:32 k2: any chance of importing the grunt corpse status thing? 09:33 hothraxxa i thought about doing that, but that would then invalid the 'food sense' intrinsic thing i made for hobbits 09:33 ah 09:33 *invalidate 09:33 ok how about inventory weights? 09:34 you mean being able to see them? 09:34 K2: I owe you an explanation: when I said "too many zombies" I meant "too many zombies FOR ME" because I have a deep-seated dislike of zombie stories, movies, games and indeed everything. 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Dirge gifted to her by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:13477 09:34 <{Demo}4> DIRGE! \o/ 09:34 its on a low 'maybe do this' to do list 09:34 if you and everybody else likes the zombies keep them by all means, and if you decide to reduce them I might be back 09:34 raisse: thank you. yeah no worries 09:35 <{Demo}4> only took 11k turns of altar scumming 09:35 i know this variant will not cater to everyone, and thats ok. but i do appreciate the feedback 09:35 i've already knocked out 3 things that were issues 09:36 *tiny wail* but I like almost everything else! (that I've seen until now, at least) 09:36 the ethnic shopkeepers, and the extra race-role combinations, and that dwarves can be neutral if they like 09:36 K2: is evilhack available on all three hdf servers? 09:36 I've played on eu 09:36 i think zombies on every single level is a bit much 09:36 ah nice 09:37 I guess I have to playtest it at least once then :P 09:37 Two-weaponing artifacts? 09:37 hothraxxa: WHEN zombies spawn, hasnt been changed 09:37 how much bitching is allowed? a) no bitching, b) only a little bitching, c) full-blown Amy-tier bitching :P 09:38 Pinkbeast: yes but with a catch 09:38 k2: i didn't think you had 09:38 lawful and chaotic artiweapons wont play nice 09:38 so no excal/stormy combos 09:39 also I need to find my 3.6.x config; K2: is a 3.6.x config fully compatible with evilhack or did you add new options? 09:39 A serious restriction on the player making mincemeat of everything with Grayswandir and Excalibur 09:39 LarienTelrunya you're 3.6.2 cfg will work fine 09:39 alright :) 09:40 <{Demo}4> can i do a stormy/dirge combo? 09:40 hothraxxa: what i did do with kobold and gnome zombies, is they spawn in large groups instead of small groups 09:40 {Demo}4 yeah i think so 09:40 hothraxxa: and thats right out of grunthack 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:14176 09:41 wuuuuut samurai can't play any of the new races??? lame :D 09:41 <{Demo}4> oh shit or that 09:41 <{Demo}4> do mithril weps get a dmg bonus? 09:41 once you get a zombie horde (and you WILL get one) then the level dynamics change a lot 09:41 spork's "more playable character combos" in evilhack when :P 09:41 *bundlebundlebundle* 09:41 not so much dmg bonus, but they are already fooproof and are lighter 09:42 far fewer food corpses, for example 09:42 LarienTelrunya: i've already opened up a lot more race/role combos 09:42 some from spork 09:43 oh great, yellow staircases, here they are visually different from white ones but if I were to play at home they'd be impossible to tell apart because the terminal I'm using renders yellow as white 09:43 change terminal 09:43 evilhack race/role combo matrix - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2508/source 09:44 urrrrrrrrrgh 09:44 why do you hate samurai :P 09:44 i dont 09:44 <{Demo}4> samurai is easiest role in grunthack 09:44 <{Demo}4> by far 09:44 oh just had a thought 09:44 I mean, non-lawful samurai suck anyway because no excalibur, but evilhack is sporkhack, right? so no excalibur for me anyway, right? 09:44 knight/dark knight right? 09:45 whats the evil counterpart of a samurai? 09:45 ronin? 09:45 no 09:45 ninja? :P 09:45 ronin is just a lone samurai without a master 09:45 <@Tone> Yeah dnh is pretty cool 09:45 <{Demo}4> play ndnh! 09:45 i agree with amy. should be at least elf samurai 09:45 ^ wtf just happened 09:45 nah elf is teh uber-sux because iron (unless that's not yet the case in evilhack), I want an orc samurai :P 09:45 <@Tone> Lots of new content that strays pretty far from the base game 09:46 <@Tone> !ping 09:46 @Tone: Pong! 09:46 <@Tone> @mtf 09:46 oh great, so Winsalot didn't see my "bundlebundlebundle" earlier :( 09:46 giant samurai! no armour 09:46 why does the discord bot break constantly? 09:46 <{Demo}4> ndnh has even more new content that tries to stray the same way dnh does 09:46 LarienTelrunya because its based off of slex? 09:47 :P 09:47 ...what? the discord bot is based off of slex? 09:47 * LarienTelrunya tries to wrap her mind around that 09:48 oh no there's a weaum zombie 09:48 let's see if it poisons me 09:48 wut gravestones are white now??? 09:48 also WTF I just read two such gravestones and am still somehow illiterate 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:14907 09:49 <{Demo}4> how weak are hobbit shks? 09:49 <{Demo}4> how bad an idea is it to fight mntwn shks? :P 09:50 lol the energy randomization in the variant that calls itself 3.6... this acid blob just moved twice in a row and then didn't move for 12 consecutive turns 09:50 <{Demo}4> yeah its so annoying 09:51 <{Demo}4> in evilhack zombie movement is so erratic 09:52 if I had infinite amounts of free time I'd make either a variant of sporkhack that adds the grunthack stuff or the reverse, and it would be based on 3.4.3 and it would be great :P 09:53 omg first mines level had a gnome king with an attack wand and I somehow survived and killed him 09:53 UHH... bug 09:53 I attacked this gnome lady and just got "You miss the gnome lady." and suddenly lost 12 or so HP with no message at all 09:54 K2: ^^ 09:54 there was no "The gnome lady slaps you!" or anything 09:54 also there's lava in the mines 09:54 paranoid liquid doesn't exist here, right? so if I walk into it, DYWYPI? 09:55 no paranoid water/lava 09:55 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 666 points, T:2123, poisoned by an orc zombie 09:56 wow, of all the changes 3.6 made, I'd have expected it to at least also change it so that monsters can't shoot and move in the same turn, but they still cheat like that just like in vanilla 09:56 LarienTelrunya: i would need more to go by 'miss monster suddenly lost hp' 09:56 <{Demo}4> does evilhack have object properties? 09:56 Demo no 09:56 just obj materials 09:56 K2: well, I stood next to the gnome lady, and I had 24 of 39 HP. I moved into her to attack, the game said "You miss the gnome lady." and no other messages, but I suddenly had only 12 of 39 HP. 09:56 <{Demo}4> ok 09:57 Felt like she hit me and the game failed to give a message that she did. 09:57 <{Demo}4> how do i get the most AC? 09:57 wear lots of armor 09:57 Not sure what weapon she was wielding, because, well, there was no message :P 09:58 if you farlook a monster, if its wielding a weapon you'll see what it is 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 138 points, T:270, killed by a boiling potion 09:58 if you're not blind and can actually see it eyes on (not esp) 09:58 yeah but now she's on a different dungeon level and has a magic missile wand so going back might kill me 09:58 <{Demo}4> so i was just hanging out on a level and this "You hear some noises in the distance. placing monster over another at <50,15>? Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.)" happened 09:58 thanks 09:58 thats another one i'm aware of 09:59 gnome lady, wielding a crossbow 09:59 thankfully its not game ending or causing game to crash but i need to figure out why its happening 09:59 some sort of firetrap right off the downstair on DL2 lol 09:59 (had to go back up anyway because bees were chasing me) 09:59 it happened again!!! 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a battle-axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:15978 10:00 <{Demo}4> fuck off i dont want that 10:00 meleeing that gnome lady just mysteriously reduced my HP 10:00 <{Demo}4> why is god mean 10:00 LarienTelrunya pause lemme watch game 10:00 yep now I just stood next to her and hit s for testing purposes and lost health with no message 10:00 tell me when you're watching 10:00 ok watching 10:01 alright I hit s, now my HP went down from 35 to 29 with no message 10:01 i saw 10:01 nothing in the message log either 10:02 can you farlook the gnome lady? 10:02 maybe there's a lack of bash/pummel/slap/hug/caress/stroke-feel-up messages if a monster is wielding a crossbow :P 10:02 yeah... ok i think i know 10:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Wiz Inc Mal Neu), 2054 points, T:2760, killed by a shocking sphere's explosion 10:02 i'll try to reproduce but i think i know the issue 10:03 the descriptive hit messages changes i made dont take ranged weapons into account when wielded like a regular weapon probably 10:03 <{Demo}4> if i use a unihorn and it says i feel better, thats a bug, right? 10:04 no 10:04 thats vanilla behavior 10:04 EPI: if you try to be smart and unihorn stat loss away, it just permanently reduces the maximum value for that stat by one so if you later get restore ability, it'll restore less :P 10:04 (for variants where unihorns don't restore it, obviously) 10:05 <{Demo}4> yikes, slow digestion ring 10:05 <{Demo}4> one of the more broken items in the game 10:06 ... ? 10:07 <{Demo}4> altar scumming endlessly 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a chain mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:16857 10:08 I never felt that the lack of the ring stopped me doing that, since you're making corpses and lowering prayer timeout. 10:08 well I'd rather view the fact that you can altar scum endlessly in the first place as broken 10:08 <{Demo}4> the ring makes it so you dont sometimes hit dry patches and get owned 10:08 <{Demo}4> cause sometimes you end up starving due to bad timing on gifts 10:09 FUUUUUUUUCK 10:09 why are the water squares unlit even in a corridor that is otherwise lit :P 10:09 <{Demo}4> cause mean 10:09 I'm not sure that a ring that, in the unlikely event you identify it very early, helps with the unusual case where you're altar scumming with no permafood.. really qualifies as one of the more broken items in the game. 10:09 oh god hopefully this char dies soon so I can go back to playing slex 10:09 I mean, it's _nice_ to not have to just go and find some permafood, but this is an unlikely case. 10:10 I think to be one of the more broken items, an item might at least help you during more of the game and in more games 10:10 lol "TermIll" (wtf) is bright green, what the heck 10:11 Isn't Pestilence bright green in some variants these days? 10:11 awwwwww it doesn't retain the name I game to the gnome zombie in the death message? 10:11 LarienTelrunya the vast majority of your 'issues' are vanilla behavior 10:11 heh, "gave" of course, just like the "gave over" in 3.6.x dumplogs :P 10:11 K2: I beg to differ, most of those issues are 3.6 behavior :D 10:11 as i said 10:12 also it felt like these zombies were making me sick 50% of the time and tried to drain int the other 50% of the time 10:14 anyway, gave over :P evilhack did in fact feel slightly like a combination of grunt and spork 10:14 LarienTelrunya I have been able to successfully reproduce your gnome lady wielding a crossbow issue 10:15 :) 10:15 thanks 10:15 fix should be easy (knocks on wood) 10:15 hopefully she'll get a nice-sounding message in future versions, I'd prefer "slap" but "cherry-tap" would work too :D 10:16 i'll change the message to 'LarienTelrunya complains about 3.6.x! LarienTelrunya hits!' 10:16 yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! :D 10:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a elven broadsword entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:18129 10:17 <{Demo}4> give me good shit not bad shit 10:18 all those weapons/armor are blessed/fooproof and enchanted 10:18 <{Demo}4> i have dirge it can fuck off 10:18 or that 10:19 <{Demo}4> the dumb bitch god gave me splint mail as a first gift 10:19 but from my vantage point it looks like your deity is winning 10:19 <{Demo}4> since then i have received chain mail and leather armor 10:19 <{Demo}4> which were both inferior 10:19 you're not aware of the sac mechanics from sporkhack are you 10:20 <{Demo}4> i am but they r dumb 10:20 <{Demo}4> "Your ring of slow digestion turns to dust and vanishes! Your ring of regeneration turns to dust and vanishes!" fucker fuck 10:20 ooh lightning attack :) 10:21 w/o reflection 10:21 cant blame me for that one ;) 10:21 <{Demo}4> yeah but i can blame the dumb fuck with the wand 10:22 <{Demo}4> how do i get reflection? 10:22 <{Demo}4> oh shit fuck sokoban im not doing it 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a elven dagger entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:19144 10:23 <{Demo}4> enraging 10:23 what lvl are you 10:24 <{Demo}4> 10 10:25 yeah that low, odds are not in your favor to get an artifact via saccing 10:25 <{Demo}4> i want gloves or something 10:25 <{Demo}4> or a cool hat 10:25 <{Demo}4> im here for the gear 10:25 <{Demo}4> dragonhide leather armor would be nice too :P 10:26 k2: got the placing monster over another thing again. it's a different level but the coordinates are the same, could be a clue 10:26 you can't have dragonhide leather 10:26 zombies? or something else? 10:27 there are zombies on this level but i haven't seen them 10:27 and what do you mean you cant have dragonhide leather? 10:28 can't things be only one material? 10:28 right ok i think i see 10:28 i think he means what xnethack calls light armour 10:29 for exactly this reason 10:29 so leather armor is really just 'armor' 10:29 and can be a number of different materials 10:29 xnh calls it light armor 10:30 in evilhack its just armor but its still called by its based material (leather armor) 10:30 IF its leather 10:30 <{Demo}4> thats gotta break the wish parser 10:30 nope 10:30 use the xnh solution 10:31 no i dont like it 10:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3455 10:31 the wish would be 'dragonhide armor' or 'dragonhide gloves' 10:32 but that'd be wasting a wish 10:33 what's the inherent ac of dragonhide? 10:33 <{Demo}4> so GoP arent worth using? 10:33 <{Demo}4> in the endgame 10:35 sure they are 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:20951 10:35 hothraxxa 5 i think. comes out being same you'd see in gh 10:35 <{Demo}4> no go away 10:36 <{Demo}4> k2 can u have a talk with Manannan Mac Lir for me? 10:36 <{Demo}4> im not gonna bring him the amulet if he doesnt get his act together 10:36 2 beartraps and an arrow trap in a 3x4 room with the upstairs and an altar 10:41 what are you playing? 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a elven helm entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:22200 10:44 <{Demo}4> thanks cheif 10:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:4760 10:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] watermosaic (Val Dwa Fem Law), 352 points, T:641, killed by a dwarf 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a splint mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:24293 10:55 <{Demo}4> +5, good work manannan 10:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (Wiz Inc Mal Neu), 13884 points, T:4898, killed by a tengu 10:58 <{Demo}4> how does crowning work with resists? 11:05 eek there goes my +1 mithril and apron 11:06 and also my cat (levelport trap) 11:06 but I killed a hobbit who was wearing mithril (elven rather than dwarvish and probably +0, but still 11:06 ) 11:27 EvilHack updated (all servers) 11:27 ^ fixes missing swing/hit messages when monster using object not normally used as a melee weapon 11:27 aww, no "%s bundles you!"? ;) 11:28 k2: apparently i get those errors every time i save now 11:28 the plce monster errors 11:28 ? 11:29 yes. since there are zombies on every single level i've been on, hard to say what would happen if there were not 11:29 i suspect i get the errors anyway since the coordinates are always the same 11:29 <{Demo}4> god i hate zombies 11:30 this game is excessive but i can't say that's evilhack vs rng fuckery 11:30 ok thanks hothraxxa 11:31 let me know if you get a level without zombies and you save 11:31 let me know what happens 11:31 i will. i hope to find one of those some day before i die 11:32 the resource consumption due to terminal illness is enormous 11:32 <{Demo}4> what stops it? 11:32 <{Demo}4> other than healing pots and prayer and unihorn? 11:32 bleesed healing uncursed/blessed extra and full, holy water casting cure illness, prayer 11:33 same as any other illness 11:33 holy water if you aren't chaotic 11:34 i've barely reached levels that could get me a unicorn horn 11:35 hothraxxa i'm gonna look at zombies again, compare between this and gh 11:35 i may have missed some behavior 11:35 this is monster creation 11:35 and i know i did with zombie corpses and dying to one via its poison 11:36 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22789 11:36 creation wasnt changed 11:36 i didn't think so 11:36 frequency that is 11:37 <{Demo}4> how hard is it to get crowned? 11:37