00:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a tengu, on T:13057 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:36256 00:07 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:08 TIL: when polymorphed into a tengu and biting a monster it doesn't break veggie conduct. I guess just a taste is OK. 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Death, on T:36323 00:12 bouquet: you don't actually take a bite out of it. it doesn't break foodless either 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:36376 00:15 strike 2 - guess I'm taking the whole tour of astral 8^P 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:36424 00:20 yay 00:21 TY ^^ - that was prolly the buffest toon I've ascended so far (HP:425, AC:-45) - bonez was ridiculous this game ^^ 00:22 too much l00t - only used 3 wishes (had like 6 magic markers, etc...) 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 124 points, T:212, killed by a water moccasin 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:6, killed by contaminated water 00:23 Tsurugi (quest), Excalibur (dipped), bonez: Mjollnir, Sunsword, FireBrand, pray: Ogresmasher, Snickersnee - if only every game can be like this... 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1781286 points, T:36461, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eraserhead97/nh361/dumplog/1552779686.nh361.txt 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:5, killed by a water moccasin 00:24 gonna hop onto Spork for a bit ^^ 00:25 crapola - gotta edit options 00:25 use K2's rc? 00:26 smart - link? 00:26 hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/something? 00:27 aosdict: ty (stupid me - it's on the top of nano) 00:29 non-vi ascii editors always throw me off... 00:29 aosdict: question about how you have material percentages set in src/mkobj.c 00:30 for dwarvish materials is 80, IRON etc etc 00:30 for elven is 60, 0 (base material) then x% more wood or copper or whatever 00:31 whats the difference? 00:31 why wouldnt dwarvish materials also be something like 60,0 then 20 iron? 00:31 what objects are eligible for dwarvish materials that aren't iron? 00:32 metal i suppose 00:32 stupid me - the 2nd option is a vi-type editor... 00:32 no, what actual objects. are there any? 00:33 ... roundshield? 00:33 roundshield is dwarvish already 00:33 again, I'm looking for "objects that are eligible for dwarvish materials that aren't iron" 00:33 if there aren't any, then it's fine to have 80 IRON 00:34 how bout just answering my query instead of answering my question with another question 00:34 ffs 00:34 as for your original question, dwarvish_materials predate the introduction of it being able to take a 0 value for base material 00:35 ok 00:37 woah - no pet in spork - that'll make tourist intersting... 00:39 there are 00:39 if you're using my cfg, i turn off pets by default unless i'm playing a knight 00:40 ah - that explains it - I'm using your cfg 00:41 rofl - I got zapped by a gnome w/a death wand in my first spork game on Dlvl:2 - ^^ 00:41 a good introduction 00:41 [hdf-us] [sp] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Cha), 106 points, T:343, killed by a death ray 00:42 ok - commenting out OPTIONS=nopet 00:43 maybe I need to play a dwarven valkyrie on spork, hehe 00:44 what is this? a kobold mummy in a jail cell? 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 638 points, T:1338, killed by a rabid rat 00:46 eraserhead - if you lean heavily on two-weaponing, start with a samurai 00:46 two-weaponing is nerfed in sporkhack 00:46 K2: ic - I'm trying Tourist again atm... 00:47 ooh. brave 00:47 ...or foolish... 00:47 :) 00:51 prices seem whacky in spork - no more obvious price ID methinks 00:52 wait - could be tourist-pricing throwing me off 00:52 there's also racial shopkeepers 00:53 their race and yours can greatly influence the price (in your favor or not) 00:54 rofl - racial-profiling - nasty ^^ 00:55 I think that explains how I died in that first one - that gnome shop-keeper must've aggro'ed 01:03 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:04 aosdict: i like your armor material AC balance 01:08 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:12 combat is INTENSE in spork 01:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:31 [hdf-us] [sp] eraserhead97 (Tou Elf Mal Cha), 1992 points, T:2897, killed by a rothe 01:32 spork is fun - just gotta learn the intricacies - gn 01:33 -!- eraserhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:48 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 01:48 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:00 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 37547 points, T:20132, killed by a sasquatch 02:18 -!- attie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 02:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:59 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:08 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:18 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 04:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:7473 05:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3449 points, T:7474, killed by a pyrolisk 05:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:46 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 05:49 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Grue, on T:32476 06:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:02 WTF, I think I just discovered something... player monsters on astral are automatically male, unless they have the M2_FEMALE flag (cavewoman, priestess)??? Someone call the gender equality officer! :P 07:06 * elenmirie_ pushes the alarm button 07:06 also the only female names they can have seem to be Janet, Eve and Maud 07:14 yes 07:16 in vanilla, at least 07:16 i'm flagging every monsters in src/monst.c as M2_TOASTER_OVEN 07:17 gender issue solved 07:17 you sexist 07:17 what about M2_ATTACK_HELICOPTER? 07:17 toaster ovenist you mean 07:17 toaster oven privilege 07:18 K2: you shinychromist! 07:18 lol 07:18 LarienTelrunya: did I ever tell you how sweet it is that GoldenIvy and I are your number 1s? 07:18 ... wut? 07:18 not MEEEEE!? 07:18 :( 07:19 bhaak: huh? how do you want to know that? 07:19 betrayal! 07:19 you wrote it in your code 07:19 my number 1 is of course [Demo] :D 07:19 hahaha lol I did?! 07:19 deceit and lies! 07:19 oh you mean they're at the top of the list of player names in mplayer.c 07:19 old age and treachery beats youth and beauty every time 07:19 https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/blob/master/src/mplayer.c#L81 and https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/blob/master/src/mplayer.c#L102 07:19 K2: code doesn't lie 07:20 i'm your number... 59 07:20 fifty fucking nine 07:21 LarienTelrunya you're dead to me. begone 07:21 :P 07:21 :( 07:21 didn't expect the ordering of that list to actually matter... 07:21 hahah 07:21 it doesnt 07:22 we're totally messing with you 07:22 :D 07:23 K2: speak for yourself :-) 07:23 heheh 07:23 awww poor bhaak 07:23 rub your nethack devteam patch, you'll feel right as rain 07:24 you all are issued a patch right? 07:24 LarienTelrunya: people will always try to find a hidden meaning in something. like when I randomized the creator god in the creator text. 07:24 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 07:25 bhaak: uhh well I still don't know who the heck Viracocha is 07:25 oh 07:25 me and Vi, we're neighbors 07:25 having a deity as a neighbor comes in handy 07:26 need a thunderstorm? poof done 07:26 LarienTelrunya: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiraqucha 07:27 ok time to get the offspring on the bus. bbl 07:27 bhaak: ah, and Marduk is the babylonian god? 07:27 yes 07:28 so I guess the other gods you added there (can't remember the names) are also all such major gods? 07:28 yes 07:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) was given Friede's Scythe, on T:34454 07:28 Marduk is associated with the planet Jupiter. so he's on par with Zeus or Jupiter 07:28 did people know that Jupiter was a big important planet before telescopes? 07:29 which file in unnethack's source has the list of those god names? 07:29 questpgr.c 07:30 uhh is it normal that the alternate convict introduction text still uses "Marduk" instead of your new %m placeholder? 07:31 aosdict: Jupiter is the second brightest planet. only Venus is brighter but it is often closer to the horizon 07:31 also I just rediscovered that all those deities actually also exist in slex, as random "bonus pantheons" that e.g. the priest role can get (but not associated with any specific role) ;) 07:31 LarienTelrunya: no, that's a bug 07:31 it's very nice that the # of such gods you added is divisible by 3 :D 07:33 likely by accident :) 07:33 hmm, why does the convict role need a separate intro text? 07:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) recieved the crown of the Saint King, on T:34567 07:34 because it says you escaped or something? 07:35 You, a newly escaped %r, have chosen to redeem yourself by recovering the Amulet for %d. You are determined to recover the Amulet for your deity, or die in the attempt. Your hour of destiny has come. For the sake of us all: Go bravely with %d! 07:37 ah, the escaped and redeem part 07:37 well, nethack has never been consistent in its use of its backstory 07:39 slex even adds completely new introductory texts for some roles, like this one: https://pastebin.com/raw/nAbcsqBc :D 07:41 what's a Walscholar? 07:42 a studier of walls 07:43 one of the roles I added; a scholar that attends a school led by a guy named Walt 07:46 LarienTelrunya: happy to be your number 54 :) 07:46 :D 07:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:57 fifty... NINE 07:57 N - I - N - E 07:57 omgwaaaaaaaa 07:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:58 LarienTelrunya: So a school of animation? 07:59 jonadab: hahaha how'd you know it's Walt Disney? :D 07:59 Because that's the only person to ever have the given name "Walt" in all history, as far as I know. 08:02 what about the Waltons 08:02 gnite mary sue 08:02 gnite jon-boy 08:02 gnite grandpa! 08:02 That's a surname, and "Walton" isn't "Walt" exactly. 08:02 close enough 08:02 There's also "Walter", but again, that's not exactly "Walt". 08:03 Walter gets nicknamed to Walt all the time. 08:03 i had a great uncle walt 08:03 he was born xmas day 1900, died xmas day 1985 08:03 jonadab: according to wikipedia, disney's name was Walter 08:04 he kept a christmas tree up in his house year round. it was awesome 08:04 aosdict: Oh, was it now? 08:04 Hmm. 08:05 i'm totally going to edit mplayer.c and add 'Walt' 08:05 yaaaaaaay :D 08:05 and Carl 08:06 and maybe Bob 08:06 oh and Stuart 08:06 i think kevin is already there 08:06 also add Pamela, there's too few female names anyway :D 08:06 Sally 08:06 :) 08:07 lost the big V to a girl named Sally 08:07 yeah thats going in 08:07 Mehitabel. 08:07 ^ lol wut? 08:07 Eighteenth-century name for women. 08:07 ah 08:08 Very popular for a couple of decades. Totally not used any more. 08:08 didnt it used to be, pink was a boys color and blue for girls? 08:08 back then? 08:08 Not that I'm aware of. 08:08 hothraxxa would know, he was alive then 08:08 But I haven't studied the history of fashion. 08:08 Hah. 08:08 :) 08:09 when you get a 'Hah.' from jonadab, you know its truly funny 08:12 K2: not pink necessarily, but think of it as a different shade of red 08:12 mehitabel is an alley cat 08:12 so pink 08:13 well, people at the time associated it with boys because it was a shade of red 08:13 hangs around with archy the cockroach 08:15 hah wow, just read this on the news: 08:15 'Bad news for MySpace enthusiasts: The former social media giant-turned-music sharing platform says it has lost 12 years' worth of music, photos and video files. The company says a "server migration" problem led to the mass wipeout, which may have deleted any content uploaded between 2003 and 2015.' 08:15 um thats a lot more than a server migration problem 08:15 thats a someone needs to be fired for gross incompetence problem 08:16 no backups anywhere? 08:18 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: bbl] 08:18 well, it could have been "MySpace appears to have quietly gone offline last night, never to come back again" which would have the same effect 08:18 'The mass deletion, one expert said, could amount to 50 million songs by more than 14 million artists.' 08:18 ouch 08:18 interesting point: to what extent are online services responsible for holding your data for you? 08:19 aosdict: if its a free service? none imo 08:19 but DAMN 08:19 I'm inclined to say "they aren't, so make sure you have copies of the content you want" too 08:20 i'm making an assumption that a company like myspace would have some expert level IT folks that know what they're doing 08:20 i performed two domain controller migrations earlier this year for our company, no data lost 08:21 seriously... where's the backup in case of a worst case scenario? 08:21 hard drive space is relatively cheap 08:24 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:29 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:01 hmph. of course my name has the wrong capitalization in slex. 09:05 also i object to the giant switch case thing, but whatever 09:11 giant switch case? 09:17 in mplayer.c 09:17 this could be just an array with an index access 09:24 [hdf-us] [4k] l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 9030 points, T:3157, killed by a large dog, while sleeping 09:35 -!- xenial-user2 has joined #hardfought 09:35 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 6978 points, T:3266, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 09:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:39 You kick elenmirie's ghost. You destroy elenmirie's ghost! Welcome to experience level 3. 09:42 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:44 nice little legacy from elenmirie: an oilskin cloak, a horn and a lamp 09:45 (also a robe but I don't particularly want to cast spells) 09:45 and I tamed Coco 09:46 bhaak: ah. i think aosdict chided me for doing the same thing with a commit yesterday 09:46 eek, and now I ran out of wand-of-striking charges and bumped into a floating eye 09:46 so a passing iguana got me 09:46 <--- doesnt know how to make an index array thing correctly 09:47 char *array = ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', ...]; 09:48 array[2] => 'c' 09:48 s/'/"/g 09:57 <--- still doesnt know how to make an index array thing correctly 09:57 :P 10:01 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4935 points, T:2105, died of starvation, while fainted from lack of food 10:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:04 K2: just use the other examples in read.c, except use a rn2 call as the index instead of an o_id 10:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:05 bhaak: I had this idea relating to your bag of tricks proposal: rather than deleting or exploding the contents when it gets recharged, just make those contents impossible to access until the bag is back at x:0. 10:05 (LarienTelrunya: ^) 10:06 (or, alternatively, have one of the BoT random effects that you plan to add be to spit out one of the contained items at random.) <-- YANI 10:07 <{Demo}1> more like bag of trash 10:16 aosdict: I'm not particularly hopeful that a sane version of that change will be in 3.6.x, instead that variant (:P) will pull some really annoying version like always... 10:21 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:39683 10:29 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Mon Hum Mal Cha) heard a rumor from The Oracle, on T:1507 10:30 -!- xenial-user2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:47 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 10674 points, T:2368, killed by a scroll of earth 10:48 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3129 10:52 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:70144 11:01 aosdict: I'm still for some punishment (like I also delete some inventory stuff for bones) but the spitting out idea is a nice one. 11:03 aosdict, did you ever/do you want to tell where you are going? 11:05 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 8183 points, T:4858, killed by an owlbear 11:08 he wont 11:08 its super secret 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] scooby (Arc Hum Mal Neu) became Camaxtli's Envoy of Balance, on T:9521 11:09 <{Demo}1> hes going back 11:09 <{Demo}1> to the dungeons of doom 11:09 i wondered 11:10 half a year 11:10 maybe army? 11:10 or maybe preparation for a test 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Kni Hum Fem Law), 158 points, T:757, killed by a giant mimic 11:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:12 I had a friend who went into semi-seclusion to finish their PhD 11:15 right 11:15 that's boring, though 11:15 nope, done with my masters and that's as far as I go 11:15 how about he has to go back to his planet to get a new Earth visum? 11:15 what I am doing is hiking 11:15 wait you are already done with your _master_? 11:15 you are older than i thought you were 11:16 ... how young did you think I was 11:16 still in school 11:16 lol 11:17 half a year of hiking sounds like an adventure 11:17 I needed it so when I'm talking about K2's commits I can say "who has the degree in computer science here? you or me?" :P 11:17 so stennowork says you are not acting accroding to your age :-) 11:17 lol 11:17 as if a degree in computer science is helping with nethack code. you'd need a degree in archaeology for that 11:18 <{Demo}1> ^^^^^^ 11:18 lol 11:18 my life experience trumps your degree aosdict :P 11:18 <{Demo}1> r u hitting the AT? 11:18 LYFE 11:19 <{Demo}1> cause that was my first guess actually but i was like wait that makes no sense 11:19 {Demo}1 yes actually 11:19 <{Demo}1> AT is like a 6 month hike but it was like eh mobile communication is technologyy enough you dont need to go awol 11:20 <{Demo}1> but i guess its more pleasant that way 11:20 what is AT? 11:20 <{Demo}1> a very long walk :P 11:20 * stennowork only knows AT field from neon genesis evangelion 11:21 appalachian trail? 11:21 aaahhh 11:21 I'm not necessarily going totally AWOL but of course won't be able to do anything with xnethack 11:21 yeah that sounds like something aosdict would do 11:21 i'd love to do the app trail at some point 11:22 a section of it 11:22 K2: I'll try to pop back in when I hit vermont :) 11:22 do it! i'll take you out for food 11:22 you should live pretty close to the long trail already? 11:22 yup 11:22 urban dictionary: "Hitting the Appalachian Trail" is a phrase that can be used to describe a politician having an affair. 11:22 I didn't know aosdict is a politician 11:22 surprise 11:23 *snort* 11:23 <{Demo}1> i know a few ppl that have done the whole AT and jesus, i cant imagine doing that 11:24 aosdict just sent you an email 11:24 ball in your court 11:24 :P 11:24 dunno when you'll be in VT, i'll be at worldcon for a week middle of august 11:24 Dublin! 11:25 if my lower back wasnt fucked up i'd do the trail the right way 11:25 :( 11:25 <{Demo}1> dont people usually go south to north or is it seasonal? (i.e. if starting in the spring/summer start in the north and if starting in the fall/winter start in the south) 11:25 either 11:26 we aint gonna see aosdict for a while 11:26 when he gets service last thing he's gonna wanna do is go online and do code 11:27 eat/sleep/hike is about it 11:27 I can't "do code" on a phone 11:28 not effectively anyway 11:28 <{Demo}1> ive written parts of ndnh on my phone 11:28 <{Demo}1> its not fun 11:28 K2: it's git, service isn't required ;) 11:28 You're not bringing a laptop or anything? 11:28 PavelB: wat 11:28 > a laptop 11:28 <{Demo}1> on an AT hike? lol... thats more weight 11:28 I mean if you're gonna disappear for half a year... 11:29 a laptop, a mobile phone -> digital nomad 11:29 <{Demo}1> for a brick u mostly wont be able to use but rarely 11:29 dont bring a laptop aosdict omg 11:29 how is he going to view netflix? 11:29 PavelB: would you carry a laptop up a mountain? how about several or hundreds of mountains 11:29 * PavelB has carried a laptop up a mountain before 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:70632 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:70633 11:31 Well, it was an MS surface, but still 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:70648 11:32 PavelB: you should try to do at least a weekend backpacking trip this summer 11:32 <{Demo}1> the most of the AT ive ever backpacked is a days worth, enough to discourage me from ever doing that but i sure as hell wouldnt carry anything i didnt absolutely need for long term exposure to that kind of hell 11:32 I've never been to washington but it's supposed to be gorgeous hiking 11:33 I carried a rifle up a mountain 11:33 <{Demo}1> actually i guess 2 days worth on multiple ocassions but damn., some of the AT hikers we met along the way had some crazy stories 11:33 if I could have switched, I would have chosen the laptop 11:34 Def gonna do the mmultiple-day backpacking trip as soon as possible 11:34 My parents are *really* not into it and I didn't have the means to go myself until recently 11:34 Probably spring break 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:70761 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:70764 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:6407 11:37 back in my active duty army days as a mortar infantryman, used to have to hump 100-110 lbs for miles 11:37 significant part of the reason my back is fucked up 11:38 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:38 how much weight do you plan on carrying aosdict? i know you have your pack all planned out 11:39 <{Demo}1> is it a pack u r familiar with that fits well? 11:40 I get the suspicion that aosdict has backpacked before, just maybe 11:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:41 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:41 <{Demo}1> yeah but u can get away with shitty packs for like weekend trips 11:41 bhaak, i have heard that swiss soldiers can keep their weapons at their homes 11:41 <{Demo}1> like loose and shitty straps and stuff arent that much of a problem 11:41 after active duty 11:41 <{Demo}1> on a small scale 11:42 <{Demo}1> man imagine being allowed to keep weapons at ur home 11:43 stennowork i dont see how the swiss army could allow that 11:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:43 otherwise their budget would be a mess having to buy new weapons all the time 11:43 stennowork: nowadays not in all cantons and you have to show some active shooting in clubs. 11:44 K2: Apparantly you can keep your gun but not ammo for it 11:44 stennowork: but while you're in the army, that is from 18-30 (or 15 years ago from 18-42), you could keep it at home. 11:44 <@Tone> I did some light hiking in Washington and Oregon last year. It really is gorgeous 11:44 (5 seconds of googling) 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) ate for the first time - lichen corpse, on T:6725 11:45 PavelB: you get ammo in case there's mobilization but you better not open it otherwise. you can buy ammo easly anyway 11:45 <@Tone> I'd love to check out Rainier 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:70901 11:46 @Tone have you been to Mount St. Helens 11:47 It's just as pretty and you can see the damage leftover from the eruption 11:47 <@Tone> The roads were closed around most of it when I was there 11:47 rainer sounds like the mountain that's even rainier than seattle 11:47 <@Tone> I hiked through some lava caves there though 11:47 K2: the Swiss army has been downsizing since 1995 and the last new standard rifle was introduced in 1990. wikipedia tells me they got 450k of them. 11:48 <{Demo}1> what does the swiss army do other than guard the pope? 11:48 Mount Rainier is pronounced Rain-eer 11:48 <{Demo}1> and avoid war 11:49 create weapons for intimidation 11:49 Isn't guarding the pope more italy's thing 11:49 <{Demo}1> the swiss guard is a big thing i think 11:49 <{Demo}1> and yeah id be afraid of swiss engineered weapons cause they might actually work 11:49 and build fortresses and explosive entryways 11:50 {Demo}1: I've been trained to shoot you at a distance of 300 meters. 11:50 * bug_sniper wants a swiss army rifle with many gadges built-in 11:51 <{Demo}1> its surprising to me that a country thats done such a good job of staying out of conflict puts forth such an effort to be prepared for conflict but i guess thats how they stay out of conflict 11:51 <{Demo}1> can u 360 noscope me though? 11:52 I never tried that in real life. they would have ripped us a new asshole :-) 11:52 <{Demo}1> yeah theres no safe way to 360 11:52 <{Demo}1> unless ur alone in a very vacant area 11:52 yasi: rename slashem's bullets to rubber bullets, because they aren't any more effective 11:53 bhaak, gotcha 11:53 <{Demo}1> oh yeah switzerland is that country thats armed as shit, thats right 11:54 swiss army rifle is steyr aug right? 11:54 or was that the austrian one 11:54 some weapons like the steyr AUG have legendary status just because of counterstrike :D 11:55 oh it was austrian 11:55 armee-universal-gewehr 11:55 I've been taught the only weapons you need to buy in counterstrike are the deagle, the awp, the AK, and the CT equivalent of the AK 11:55 K2: I'm not carrying 11:56 good 11:56 m4a1 is the ak equivalent i think 11:56 but steyr aug was so good too 11:56 <{Demo}1> all u need is dual berettas cause it makes ppl mad when they get owned 11:56 {Demo}1: there's an old joke from before WW1. a German general visits Switzerland for some military show-off stuff. after that he talks to the Swiss general: "well, you have 1 million soldiers. we have 5 millions. what do you do if we try to invade?" the Swiss general replies: "every soldiers shoots 5 times and then we go home" 11:57 <{Demo}1> lol 11:57 K2: I'm not carrying 100 pounds :P 11:57 :/ 11:57 (my incomplete message got sent?) 11:57 was I leaning on the enter key? 11:57 {Demo}1: even if you want to stay out of conflicts, you can't be sure that the conflict doesn't come to you. you have to be prepared 11:58 maybe 30-35 pounds fully loaded with water and food 11:58 I have some nice DIY ultralight gear, which is currently making me rush around fixing everything 12:00 so how often will you need to ressupply food 12:00 every 5-10 days 12:01 that's pretty good 12:01 30-35 pounds didn't sound like a lot but I've never weighed how much food I eat 12:02 <{Demo}1> you eat a hell of a lot more food when ur carrying 35 lbs many miles every day 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:71193 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a hill orc corpse, on T:7634 12:02 right, I've been cautioned not to plan out all my meals now because appetites and portion sizes change 12:02 first week or so is gonna suck 12:02 maybe less 12:02 TIL: The easiest route up Rainier is called Disappointment Cleaver :D 12:03 depends how fast your body adjusts to the routine 12:03 K2: In terms of overcrowding, it's going to suck a lot longer than that :D 12:03 get past that hump, you'll be gtg 12:03 <{Demo}1> I could never do that shit 12:03 after awhile 30-35 lbs will seem like nothing 12:03 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 12:04 cant stress footwear, hope its good 12:04 Oh yeah I need to buy new shoes 12:05 BTW, I don't understand hiking boots, I feel like you'd want something lighter 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:7832 12:06 ankle support 12:06 you need to hike more if you don't understand that 12:06 PavelB: Personally I'm going with trail running shoes and stepping carefully. Apparently, hiking boots are falling out of fashion. 12:06 have poles for balance of course 12:07 that makes a lot more sense 12:07 <{Demo}1> how many miles a day are you planning to try to do? 12:07 if they don't work out, I have some boots in mind that I can get 12:07 {Demo}1: on average, 12-13? 12:07 dunno 12:08 <{Demo}1> isnt that on the more agressive end? 12:08