00:05 damn - feel like a n00b - can't find the > on dLvl:1 8^P 00:05 eraserhead: Message from aosdict at 2019-03-08 07:17 EST: For some reason, vanilla specifically places about four random L on Astral, which totally sucks if three of them are purple and warp to you immediately. Why there are undead shambling through the halls of the gods makes no sense to me. 00:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14 omg - FINALLY - a wandering x revealed the hidden hallway at T:2956, finally going downstairs - rather embarrassing 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1613 points, T:1550, killed by a gnome lord, while praying 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3479 00:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:2646 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 6030 points, T:2955, killed by an energy vortex 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8325 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 61 points, T:215, killed by a water moccasin 01:39 if I'm human and eat a stalker, does it count as cannibalism? 01:41 looks like it's ok ^^ 01:51 no 01:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:23 -!- eraserhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:36 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:28 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:32 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:38 -!- Dracunos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40 -!- Dracunos has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:49 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 06:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:11 -!- hf_guest_21 has joined #hardfought 06:18 -!- nzy has joined #hardfought 06:18 hi 06:18 Hello nzy, Welcome to #hardfought 06:28 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:28 !tell hothraxxa gh game recovered 06:28 K2: Message from hothraxxa at 2019-03-08 20:09 EST: gh crashed and i'm out for the night 06:28 No worries, K2, I've got this! 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nzy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 188 points, T:1314, killed by a little dart 06:33 god damn it 06:34 anyone here? 06:36 no 06:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] muzska89 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3897 06:48 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nzy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 813 points, T:1872, killed by an electric shock 07:00 -!- nzy has quit [] 07:15 samurai; check :D 07:18 K2: archeologist next I think :) 07:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] muzska89 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:6745 07:25 congrats farfar 07:29 rebatela: thx :) nothing special but I made it! will feel special the first time for each class I think 07:37 every ascension is an accomplishment in my book lol 07:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:27363 07:50 Weird that it says nh361 in the text file ending, but it's nh362 07:51 rebatela: true, it went fast from my last (and first) ascension to today ^^ 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] muzska89 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:8899 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:28664 08:33 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:29567 08:40 of course i had to wish for helm of brilliance so i could cast polymorph and then the first item i get from casting polymorph is a helm of brilliance 08:42 i should have been patient and kept casting at 90% fail and saved a wish. bah 08:46 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Con Orc Fem Cha), 5448 points, T:8451, killed by a rothe 08:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] muzska89 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10772 08:49 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 08:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 09:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:10 eh, your wish triggered some rn2 calls so you wouldn't have gotten the same RNG state from polypiling 09:22 that makes me feel better ;) 09:23 It just seems to work out that way sometimes.. Wish for something, go downstairs and the thing is sitting on the floor lol 09:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an orcish helm on an altar, on T:10688 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] muzska89 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 23138 points, T:12821, poisoned by a rotted human corpse 09:56 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 09:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:00 OK, BoH #2, let's try not to blow up this one 10:12 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 10:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 10:12 . 10:12 AntiGulp: Message from @Noah at 2019-03-07 13:55 EST: The last two times I've defeated Buer in Splicehack I had to have my save recovered. Thanks! 10:12 AntiGulp: Message from bouquet at 2019-03-08 11:02 EST: why can't I eat in splicehack? Human monk tried to eat an apple and it says "You don't have anything to eat." 10:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:13 yaaaaaaaay my favorite girl is back ♥ hi AntiGulp! 10:13 Yo what’s up Amy! You’re my favorite! 10:13 :) been sick all those last days, but right now I'm playing slex while listening to comfy music so I feel better now :D 10:14 Awwww, rip. Glad you’re feeling better! :D 10:15 there were some issues that various splice players encountered, not sure if all of them left messages 10:15 yaaaaaay… 10:15 about the Bueuer thing, I killed him last junethack with no crashes 10:15 Yeah, I just killed Buer without a crash 10:15 His code is very benign 10:16 his melee attack routine, on the other hand, is not, if you're not careful you can be killed very quickly :P 10:16 -!- j_ has joined #hardfought 10:16 -!- j_ is now known as rebatela 10:16 I had a realization the other day: it's a good thing I'm not a genetic engineer. 10:17 !tell Noah That’s very odd, I’m not able to duplicate your bug. Is there anything different about him? 10:17 No worries, AntiGulp, I've got this! 10:17 The thing that lead me to realize this was, I had an idea for modifying a disease. Basically, you take an existing bacterium that infects humans (e.g., pertussis will do), and you add one gene, which causes it to, in addition to whatever else it does, produce one additional enzyme. 10:18 * LarienTelrunya starts researching a new slexification bacterium that will be unleashed into the world :P 10:18 Specifically, the opposite of a muscle relaxant. So the more this bacteria thrives in a host's system, the more of this enzyme it dumps into their bloodstream, and the more their muscles tighten up and cramp. 10:18 So if you let it go untreated, you eventually end up with a full-body charlie horse. 10:19 I thought of that, and then immediately realized, it is a good thing I'm not a genetic engineer. 10:19 isn't that just tetanus 10:19 Oh, hmm. Maybe? 10:21 Actually, yeah, I feel a little better now, if my disease idea isn't really any worse than something that's already out there. 10:21 Aaaagh my cat keeps stepping on my keyboard when I’m coding 10:21 Switch to coding by voice recognition. 10:22 And get a parrot ;-) 10:22 ;) 10:22 Something that stops you walking around and infecting other people isn't really very nasty anyway 10:22 yeah, needs a long inactive but infectious period 10:22 Ah, good point. 10:23 Maybe something that hides dormant in your system for a month or so, then is contagious for about a week, _then_ starts producing symptoms. 10:24 Seanan McGuire, the SF author and keen disgusting-diseases amateur, explained a distressing plausible way to wipe out humanity at Eastercon 2 years ago. 10:24 Oooh, I wonder if Chicken Pox / Shingles could be modified, to produce painful muscle cramps in adults. 10:24 ... and mentioned she knows what gangrene tastes like, but "that's OK, it was my own gangrene" :-) 10:25 A childhood disease with few or no immediate symptoms at the time, but which causes sterility, might just about do it. 10:26 like.. mumps? I guess that's not really asymptomatic 10:26 Mumps causes sterility? 10:26 how about one that just kills everyone once they reach puberty? that's in like 1/3 of the post-apocalyptic films already 10:26 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 10:26 it can, I'm pretty sure 10:27 I was thinking something that produces sterility in like 100% of cases. 10:27 Yep, it can; one of the hilarious consequences of anti-vaxers 10:28 <{Demo}5> I think anti-vax is kind of strawmanned, but I don't know 10:29 <{Demo}5> I'm not sure what percent of them actually think vaccines don't work 10:29 I mean, if we wanted to be really evil, we'd just invent a virus that causes Lou Gehrig's Disease. 10:29 I think they believe they work but they're concerned about side effects and aren't impressed by arguments about herd immunity 10:29 <{Demo}5> and how many of them aren't deluded about the effectiveness but instead don't like the government forcing them to do x 10:30 oh6: It varies. 10:30 Some of them actually believe the "vaccination causes autism" nonsense; others are not *quite* that daft. 10:32 I think most of the less-vocal, less militant anti-vaxers are just not great at balancing risk. 10:32 But you hear more from the more vocal, more militant ones. 10:32 i.e., the loud idiots 10:33 <{Demo}5> yeah I think that is the case 10:34 And vaccination *does* have risks. There's a reason we don't vaccinate for Smallpox any more. 10:34 ... yes, the reason is that smallpox has been eradicated. 10:34 It's just that in certain cases (generally including the vaccinations that schools and such want to require you to have), the risks of not being vaccinated are greater. 10:35 Pinkbeast: We stopped vaccinating for it in America a couple of decades before it was eradicated worldwide. 10:35 Because (a very few) people were dying due to the vaccine. 10:36 <{Demo}5> I think those that have a problem with vaccines being forced for public schools have their problem in the wrong place 10:36 <{Demo}5> they should have a problem with public schools existing, not vaccines 10:36 Oh, definitely. 10:36 abolish schools :P 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13844 10:37 If you're upset about the government deciding things for you, curriculum should be a much bigger deal than vaccination. 10:37 So in fact the reason "we" - the world, not America - have stopped is that it has been eradicated. 10:37 Pinkbeast: Well yes. 10:37 !tell K2 pushed some critical splice fixes. HOPEFULLY this fixes Hothraxxa’s bug, but unless I know the exact type of amalgamation I cannot be sure. It does fix the eating bug people have been having. I cannot duplicate Noah’s Buer bug in any way. Bleah. 10:37 No worries, AntiGulp, I've got this! 10:37 Pinkbeast: We stopped because it was no longer necessary, sure. 10:38 !tell K2 I’m not 100% positive it’s save safe, but I think it is. 10:38 No worries, AntiGulp, I've got this! 10:38 Also, the Smallpox vaccine carried a higher risk than most modern vaccines. 10:38 I don't think anyone dies from the DPT vaccine, for instance. 10:39 At least, not that I've heard of, and I don't think that's the kind of thing the media would keep quiet about. 10:40 It *is* normal (in a percentage of cases) to have an unpleasant superficial reaction at the site of injection, which can be sore for a week or more. 10:40 And (in a much smaller percentage of cases) somewhat worse symptoms than that. 10:41 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Sam Hum Mal Law), 31475 points, T:19374, escaped 10:41 It's clearly worth it, because all three of those diseases in their full-blown form are far MORE dangerous, particularly to children. 10:41 !tell K2 Actually not, it seems. I’m so sorry. 10:41 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, AntiGulp. 10:42 But if we say the vaccine is 100% safe, we're lying. It's not 100% safe. It's just much safer than not being vaccinated. 10:43 Do "we" say that? After an exhaustive search of one (1) case I find the NHS discusses the side effects of the MMR vaccine in some detail. 10:47 jonadab: the US stopped vaccination in 1972 when it was considered eradicated in the US. the WHO declared it eradicated world wide in 1980. 10:47 bhaak: Oh, was it that close together? 10:47 Hmm, I thought it was more years in there than that, but ok. 10:47 yeah. 10:48 There's at least one disease we've long since stopped vaccinating for in the developed world, but which is *still* not entirely eradicated worldwide, mostly because of a small number of deeply uncooperative third-world governments. But I can't at the moment remember which disease that is. 10:50 Hmm, I might be thinking of Polio. 10:50 Yes. 10:51 a few days ago I was at the doctor and she said that if I were planning to travel abroad, I should get a polio vaccination 10:51 Now you say it, I remember; my partner used to work at Geography and there was a disgusting-diseases poster about it 10:51 is vt_tiledata written into ttyrec ? 10:51 LarienTelrunya: It depends where you're planning to go. 10:52 There are various vaccinations that Americans don't usually get, but are strongly encouraged to get if travelling to certain high-risk areas, which is mostly the third world. 10:52 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:53 Yellow fever, typhus, etc. 10:53 yellow fever was mandatory until recently, i think 10:53 for some areas 10:54 Also they give you non-vaccine preventatives for Malaria, if you're going any place tropical. Quinine pills and such. 10:56 the latest nethack commit fixed a VMS issue lmao 10:56 Yeah, it took them a few months, but they eventually found a VMS tester. 10:56 So the VMS port is alive. 10:57 didn't you have a vax btw 10:57 or am i misremebering 10:57 I have a Vax, but it doesn't have a network connection, or a compiler, or anything like that. 10:57 hah fair 10:57 Its only removable drive is for tape backup. 10:58 Somebody pointed me to a blog post about using emulation to fire up DECnet and set up a way to boot a Vax from the network and install VMS. 10:58 so vms isn't deprecated anymore for nextversion? 10:58 But it wasn't detailed enough for someone with my very limited VMS knowledge to really confidently attempt it. 10:58 stenno: I think they're planning to keep the VMS port now. 10:59 And probably the DJGPP DOS port, I think? 10:59 Not sure if they can find an Amiga maintainer. 10:59 Would be neat if they could, but. 10:59 marvin? 10:59 oh that was atari 11:00 hmm idk 11:00 Also, I heard that they had some contact with somebody who was trying to build the overlay system for the 16-bit DOS port, but I don't know if anything concrete came of that. 11:00 somebody is trying for the Amiga port but progress is slow 11:00 Ah. 11:01 Unsurprising; it's probably been a while since it was last seriously worked on. 11:01 but they are trying with the latest SAS/C compiler. which was released in 1992 11:02 But Amiga is on the short list of deeply-obsolete platforms with potentially enough of a hobbyist community to make maintaining the port a realistic possibility. 11:02 I didn't try yet but if I would, I would try vbcc 11:02 having to support the old systems surely would impact the code quality? 11:02 lots of ifdefs in worst case 11:02 Amiga isn't so old as to e.g. prevent moving to ANSI C. 11:03 I mean, well, it's old, but it had active hobbyists for long enough that it's got ANSI C compilers available. 11:03 It's not like trying to maintain a ZX Spectrum port or something. 11:03 look at the ugly kludge of SPLITMON in src/monst.c 11:04 Is that the overlay "there is not enough RAM" stuff? 11:04 no, worse. 11:04 Oh? Interesting. 11:04 splitting up the source for multiple passes because a certain Atari ST gcc version couldn't compile monst.c in one pass 11:04 there is no current m68k version of gcc or clang. 11:06 "the resulting assembler files... are then run through sed..." 11:06 Eep. 11:06 I managed to compile the Amiga GUI for AROS which has an Amiga API with their gcc. that was 10 years ago and on x86. that would work. but if you want to get a running m68k version, it needs another compiler 11:06 Ah. 11:07 I hadn't realized that Amiga was m68k. 11:07 I normally associate that with early (pre-PowerPC) macs. 11:07 lots of machines were m68k. the Atari ST as well. 11:07 Interesting. 11:07 Archimedes too? not sure 11:08 the first Suns as well 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:15000 11:08 no. Acorn Archimedes was ARM 11:08 Archimedies famously ran on a RISC architecture. 11:08 *des 11:09 I thought 68k was CISC. 11:10 yeah, I misremembered. the Acorn Archimedes used the first ARM-CPU 11:10 Though I think PPC might've been RISC. 11:10 Also: I had no idea ARM was that old. 11:11 The Inform compiler used to be maintained on Archimedes, incidentally. 11:11 they started development in 1983. the company ARM was founded only in 1990 11:11 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: Reminder that beavers are very wicked creatures.] 11:12 ARM is effectively the (phenomenally successful) rump of Acorn 11:12 I mostly started hearing about ARM after smartphones became a thing. 11:12 Even then you probably owned more than one ARM processor 11:13 BTW, while you mentioning PowerPC, the current incarnation of AmigaOS runs on PowerPC. but the NetHack code is for the classic Amiga which ran on m68k CPUs 11:13 Interesting. 11:13 Is there much hardware-specific stuff in place there? Would it be hard to update the Amiga port for PPC? 11:14 I don't think so. as I said, I managed to compile it for a 32-bit x86 with very few code changes. 11:15 I guess AmigaOS 4 should also have a backwards compatible API, so this would seem feasible 11:16 I'm mildy surprised whoever ended up with the Amiga intellectual property hasn't done an ARM or amd64 port of the OS in order to capitalize on the "retro is cool" thing. 11:17 Amiga seems like it would be one of the more marketable things from that era. 11:17 There was a retro Amiga IIRC 11:18 I mean, I guess they could emulate the original hardware instead. 11:18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga#Legacy 11:19 Heck, they could probably turn an emulator into an Android app. 11:19 you would need an emulator anyway, otherwise you don't have any software to run. I think the PowerPC versions had that more or less transparently builtin 11:19 why is it called amiga anyway, amiga means girlfriend doesn't it 11:20 There's any number of "pay money to get some hardware and the emulator set up" outfits on top of that, but IIRC they tend to be kind of shadey because a going concern owns all the copyright. 11:20 LarienTelrunya: yes. 11:20 LarienTelrunya: If it's from Spanish, it just means "friend" (feminine). 11:20 LarienTelrunya: darum wurde der Computer im Deutschen auch gerne einfach "Freundin" genannt. 11:20 echt? :D 11:20 ja 11:21 And honestly, "Amiga" is a better name than a lot of the early microcomputer lines had. 11:22 the company was originally called "Amiga". at that time the prototype was called "Lorraine". they had a thing with female names, if you look up the computer chips on the mainboard. when their VC money ran out, they got bought by Commodore and the computer got renamed 11:22 We can't _all_ be called after Auntie Beeb 11:22 "Personal Computer" is so generic you'd be afraid of losing your trademark. 11:22 "TRS-80" might work as a model name but is terrible for a whole product line. 11:23 "ZX Spectrum" is... better than TRS-80, I guess? 11:23 bhaak: I thought the company was named "Commodore"? 11:24 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (lich), on T:6681 11:24 "Atari" is a decent enough name, but you can't use it for the name of your company _and_ the name of your game console line _and_ the name of your general-purpose-computer line. 11:24 That's just confusing. 11:25 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 8059 points, T:6745, taken down by a red cap 11:28 jonadab: "when their VC money ran out, they got bought by Commodore" 11:28 bhaak: Ah. 11:28 I was not aware of that wrinkle. 11:28 That must've happened pretty early? 11:28 yeah, it was before the first machine got released 11:28 Ah. 11:29 so the machines always were called "Commodore Amiga" 11:42 [hdf-us] [fh] Espolsaor (Eyedelcul) (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 40736 points, T:4506, killed by a fire ant 11:58 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 12:08 * aosdict sees mentions, finds out that they're all AmigaOS 12:13 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Val Ang Nbn Law), 517 points, T:2258, dismembered by a fox, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:13 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Wiz Dro Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:2 12:15 Amigaosdict :-) 12:18 -!- gareppa has joined #hardfought 12:23 [hdf-us] [fh] Espolsaor (Eyedelcul) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 34711 points, T:3913, killed by an invisible rogue called "Espolsaor" 12:26 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:19707 12:29 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Wiz Dro Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:5576 12:34 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Wiz Dro Mal Neu), 3302 points, T:6310, dismembered by a killer bee 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:20413 12:53 OK, now all I have to do is avoid relying on spells of levitation while running across Medusa like last time 13:22 -!- hf_guest_21 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11568 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:12030 14:13 -!- Muad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13320 14:28 sup 14:39 ah crap i ran into a floating eye 14:41 stenno, do you remember what command you eventually found which showed the number of games and percentage wins? 14:46 [hdf-us] [fh] Espolsaor (Eyedelcul) (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 32627 points, T:2882, killed by a dingo 14:51 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 403 points, T:1210, killed by a hobgoblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:06 [hdf-us] [fh] Espolsaor (Eyedelcul) (Mon Hum Fem Law), 22408 points, T:722, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:25, killed by a falling rock 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:26313 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 11 points, T:129, killed by a goblin 15:10 i had blindness alread ID'd so i thought ah yeah sweet I can quaff random 150 pots from this potions shop 15:10 naturally i turned invisible and can't leave the shop 15:10 just hope like shit the potion wasn't blessed 15:10 k. it was not blessed 15:14 -!- Nzy has joined #hardfought 15:14 o/ 15:15 !asc 15:15 stenno: [hdf-us] stenno has not ascended in 3 games. | [hdf-eu] stenno has ascended 3 times in 161 games (1.86%): nh362:1 (1.69%), xnh:2 (10.53%) | [hdf-au] stenno has not ascended in 2 games. 15:16 !asc aoei 15:16 stenno: [hdf-eu] aoei has ascended 4 times in 92 games (4.35%): nh362:3 (6.25%), un:1 (2.38%) 15:16 ah that was it 15:16 !asc 15:16 Nzy: [hdf-us] Nzy has not ascended in 7 games. 15:16 aoei: also there is https://scoreboard.xd.cm/players/a/aoei.all.html 15:16 cool 15:17 never gonna get an ascension on a server :( 15:17 I just force bolted some monsters that appeared while blind from a magic trap 15:17 The spell hits it. You kill it! You hear something shatter! 15:18 You can see again. 15:18 You see here a wood nymph corpse. 15:18 You see here a floating eye corpse. 15:18 yeah? 15:18 so on the one hand... good thing I didn't melee the eye 15:18 on the other hand I probably broke a mirror 15:18 altho if it had !oOD and that shattered the message might have been the same 15:19 the eye wouldn't blind stun you if you were blind 15:19 oh right true 15:19 d'oh 15:21 anyway 50% chance the nymph had a mirror 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] GEC (Kni Hum Mal Law), 794 points, T:2511, killed by a paper golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:26889 15:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:17783 15:37 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1022 points, T:1868, fell into a pit of iron spikes 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nzy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2745 points, T:3529, killed by a rothe 16:01 stupid gnome with lightning wand 16:06 -!- Nzy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22994 16:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1467 points, T:3129, killed by a rabid rat 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:21797 16:28 !asc 16:28 farfar: [hdf-eu] farfar has ascended 2 times in 103 games (1.94%): nh362:2 (2.70%) 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 148 points, T:405, killed by a contaminated potion 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:22244 16:45 hi 16:45 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 16:45 K2: Messages from AntiGulp have been forwarded to you privately. 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] GEC (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:2929 16:47 !tell AntiGulp so your two commits on march 9th break saves? if so, wouldn't that require a patchlevel.h edit? 16:47 Will do, K2! 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (master lich), on T:22477 16:54 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 16:55 : : scrollback :: public education is a bad thing? ummm 17:03 before im accused of going offtopic. i'm just responding to this : 17:03 <{Demo}5> they should have a problem with public schools existing, not vaccines 17:04 i didnt bring it up, i only want to talk about nethack, but public schools are kind of important where i live 17:04 maybe someone doesn't have kids? 17:04 rebatela: "They" were not, in the context of that discussion, reasonable people. 17:05 So the difficulty is that you have completely missed the context. 17:06 i can't imagine a context where public education existing is a problem. 17:07 And indeed that was not the context of our discussion. 17:07 I'm going to stop talking abou tit though because thi is like a a nethack group 17:07 <{Demo}5> there is no topic, k2 has said it a lot 17:07 Maybe don't, then, go off half-cocked at something you didn't read. 17:07 ummm ok 17:07 why don't you explain it then 17:07 you can talk about whatever here 17:08 so long as its not promoting hate/racist/bigotry bullshitr 17:08 <{Demo}5> they dont like the government telling them what they have to do 17:08 people were talking about vaccines and it was said that the existence of public schools is the problem 17:08 but i'm missing the context? 17:08 lol 17:08 No, it wasn't said. 17:08 No-one said that. 17:08 i qutoed it 17:08 i don't care either eay 17:08 way 17:08 <{Demo}5> therefore if they dont like vaccines being forced on them cause they have to send t heir kids to school or whatever they should f ocus on the base problem which is that they are sending their kids to school 17:08 i was just disagreeing 17:08 there's no problem 17:09 ok then they worded it poorly 17:09 No, you didn't. You quoted Demo saying that some third party should conclude that from their axioms. 17:09 the whole 'being forced to have a vaccine' argument is like complaining about being forced to wear a seatbelt when riding/driving a car 17:09 <{Demo}5> yeah it is 17:10 If I say "someone who thinks the Moon is made of green cheese should think Moon missions don't need to take rations", I am not saying anything about actual provisioning of Moon missions. 17:10 <{Demo}5> and yeah, what pinkbeast is saying is the context in which that quoted line was said 17:11 ok. so enlighten me. what were you trying to say that i misunderstood 17:12 clearly, i took it the wrong way. i'm sorry 17:12 i just don't know how else to take people should have a problem with public schools existing 17:12 don't put it on me 17:13 <{Demo}5> i think pinkbeast has explained it very well with multiple examples 17:13 <{Demo}5> and clarified it impressively 17:13 i'm confused 17:13 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13 <{Demo}5> well im shit at communication so i cant help 17:14 <{Demo}5> cause like he said everything i would have wanted to figure out how to say 17:16 -!- j has joined #hardfought 17:16 -!- j is now known as rebatela 17:17 sorry! ran out of juice 17:17 i'm sure i just misumderstood 17:19 k - completed sokoban and got a BoH... mines contains orctown, dont really know where to go from here 17:19 i took it as education should be private. that's not what you meant? 17:20 they were saying that the idiots who comblain about having to vaccinate their kids in order to send them to school might instead take issue with the school system or compulsory schooling instead of the (fairly reasonable) requirement that kids who go to school should be vaccinated so they don't infect the kids 17:20 i know 17:20 other kids 17:20 whatever 17:20 if you know that, then why would you think they meant what you just said 17:21 but then he said the real problem is that public education exists in the first place 17:21 No, he didn't. 17:21 i musta missed that part 17:21 i quoted it 17:21 No, you didn't. 17:22 lol ok 17:22 Once again, if I make a statement of the form "People who believe silly thing X should logically conclude Y, not Z", I _am not_ myself saying X, Y, and Z are true. 17:22 rebatela, the thing i just said to which you responeded with 'i know', was me explaining what the thing you quoted meant 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24357 17:23 So when [Demo] makes a statement of essentially that form, they also are not endorsing the silly premise or the silly conclusion. 17:23 i'm just trying to understand. i DID indeed quote what was said. 17:23 i'm not trying to argue with ANYONE 17:23 Pinkbeast: can't you make a reasonable counterargument that people who believe silly thing X are clearly not logical, therefore you can't make any conclusions about what conclusions they should draw as a result? 17:23 yeah it's just you seem to be missing the point 17:23 that's fine if i'm missing the point 17:23 You did quote what was said accurately, but for reasons now explained ad nauseam, it didn't assert what you object to. 17:23 i'm trying to get the piont 17:23 rebatela, which we're trying to explain... 17:23 but teaming up on me and telling me i didn't quote what was said is just ridiuclous 17:23 i don't have an agenda 17:24 i'm trying to understand 17:24 (or was ) 17:24 Demo didn't say "I think this is the problem" 17:24 You didn't quote anyone saying that "the real problem is that public education exists in the first place". 17:24 Demo said "I think these crazy people would think this thing is the problem" 17:24 You quoted someone saying something else. 17:24 Pinkbeast, indeed 17:24 ais523: Let's not go there right now 17:25 well, I was talking in the abstract; but yes, I understand the original point being made 17:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:27 put yourself in my shoes... I read what was said, and thought about it and without public schools? only the privelaged would be educated.... that might seemd ok to some, but the masses not being educated doesn't work out so well. (ummm trump?) so that's how i took it 17:28 you guys are all mad at me, but i literally cut and pasted what demo said 17:28 who said anyone was mad 17:28 i didn't make it up. i questioned it. that's all 17:28 we're not annoyed, we're trying to explain the context that you missed 17:28 So, once again, you quoted it accurately, but it doesn't say what you think it does. 17:29 And so when you say "I quoted Demo saying ", that's not true. 17:29 ok? so maybe, that's why i was asking about it? 17:29 i didn't quote him? 17:30 i was trying to understand the context. You really don't get that?? that's why i was asking about it? 17:30 You didn't quote Demo saying the thing you think he said. 17:30 I wasn't just trying to be combative as you appear to be? I was trying to understand 17:32 group hugs 17:32 no its ok, i'll start 17:32 * K2 opens his arms wide 17:32 * aoei hugs 17:32 bring it in people 17:32 yaaaay group hug 17:32 i don't know how to hug 17:32 :) 17:32 :: hug :: 17:33 hahahah 17:33 :) 17:33 i'm sorry 17:33 are you canadian? 17:33 i wasn't trying to stir up anything. but i think education is imporant and that the people who are really in charge are trying to keep it away from the masses 17:34 do you mean US education or globally? 17:34 globally 17:34 but here for sure 17:34 rebatela, I agree with you 17:35 so from my experience... yeah there are good and not so good education systems, but it really falls on the parent(s) 17:35 they determine what their kid ultimately learns or doesnt and what they do with the knowledge 17:35 yep 17:35 no argument there 17:36 you see wicked smart kids come out of 3rd world countries and on the flip side Bubba here in the US who can barely tie his own shoes without help 17:37 ah well 17:37 k2 got an email? 17:37 i do 17:38 you want it? :) 17:38 haha i know can i have it? 17:38 lol 17:38 heh 17:38 keith.simpson1971@gmail.com 17:38 ^ doesnt care if thats public knowledge 17:38 i feel like boring you with my life story 17:38 go for it 17:38 nah it's not like that. 17:41 :) 17:42 -!- oh6 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 some of the smarter cookies will tend to excel in spite of poorer schools or less well off family etc., but for most a good school system and supportive family makes a huge difference 17:43 and in countries without free universities that's also a barrier for the less moneyed 17:44 (not that everyone necessarily should need to go to university) 17:45 so true story... 17:45 only reason i went back to school to get my assoc degree was so i could look my kid in the eye and truthfully say i had one 17:46 what's an assoc degree? 17:46 associates degree 17:46 2 year 17:46 ah 17:46 associates degree in general bullshit 17:46 oh neat i didn't know you could study general bullshit 17:46 oh yes 17:47 if there had been a degree path for fucking/fighting/drinking i'd have my PhD twice over by now 17:47 oh i hear they're building a faculty for that at UCLA 17:47 my initial college years were basically wasted. but damn was it fun 17:47 aoei lol 17:49 i spent much of my university years as a high functioning drug addict (high functioning because i still passed lol) 17:49 hah 17:49 so growing up my dad used to really give me a hard time about school and how i had to get a degree like he had blah blah blah 17:50 years later i found out he never finished college, never got a degree 17:50 mind blown 17:50 haha wow 17:50 he had a good job and all, he was a telecom engineer 17:50 my grandfather pushed everyone in the family very strongly to go to uni because he never got the chance 17:50 but DAMN that was years of unnecessary stress 17:51 aoei i can understand that 17:51 at least he was honest 17:51 true 17:53 i really hope my kid gets her moms study/homework ethic 17:53 heh 17:54 the whole problem is the existence of public education in the first place!!! 17:56 i blame the lizard people 17:56 i took that the wrong way. but does anyone agree with that? why did i become the focus for questioning that?' 17:57 rebatela, no we agreed with you on that, just we didn't agree that Demo actually believed that 17:57 well i must have missed that amongst everyone sticking up for them and shaming me 17:57 but that's what we were trying to explain It was very clearly stated repeatedly 17:58 yeah i get it now (i guess?) 17:58 don't worry pinkbeast i won't be bothering 18:00 so the explanation is they said it but they didn't believe it, and i'm an idiot for calling them out on something i should have known theyu didn't believe 18:01 well cuz they said something about what they thought another... nevermind i'm done 18:01 i'm going away. but i care about my country. and i'm going to call someone out if that say something outrageous. i think healthy debate is good, first of all, but i don't feel welcome here anymore 18:02 kay... 18:02 have a nice day 18:02 sorry you didn't feel welcome 18:02 if smoeone says education is a bad thing and everyone nods along and laughs.? we're in a bad place 18:02 not what they were saying 18:02 ugh 18:02 i know 18:02 i'm just trying to explain 18:02 and umm yeah i quatoed it 18:03 it's exsctly what they said 18:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:03 ... 18:03 what the hell, man? 18:03 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 18:04 oh6 oh boy did you just miss some fun 18:04 alas 18:04 couldn't be helped - my IRC host went down for the day 18:04 * rebatela has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 18:04 ... 18:04 what the hell, man? 18:04 * oh6 (cef8b185@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.248.177.133) has joined 18:04 literally just missed rebatela 18:05 I am overwhelmed with regret 18:05 you have no idea 18:07 well, the irc logs are right there 18:09 where? 18:09 entertaining drama if you're into that sort of thing 18:10 https://www.hardfought.org/irclog/ 18:10 not really 18:10 fair 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1581 18:13 anyway, found fort ludios, so yay 18:14 \o/ 18:15 -!- j has joined #hardfought 18:15 -!- j is now known as Guest13148 18:16 -!- Guest13148 is now known as rebatela 18:17 yay. glad you changed your mind rebatela 18:17 don't ever leave us again 18:17 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:28453 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28455 18:19 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 18:20 jonadab: that will lead to the hero, stuck in a web, choking on nausea gas, on fire ← have you never played Brogue? :-D 18:20 no it's my problem.. i took it out of context. i feel terrible. 18:20 its cool 18:20 group hug again?? 18:21 * aoei hugs 18:22 hugs 18:23 but i would still like to know how i misinterpreted it!! Just explain it to me. the fact that public education exists is the real problem )he said something along these lines, no?) . how did i take it wrong? 18:23 i'm not wrong for disagreing with that 18:23 Demo didn't say anything along those lines. 18:24 i quoted it. go back 18:24 It really is as simple as that. 18:24 go back 18:24 No, you quoted what Demo did say, which isn't that. 18:24 oh that makes sense 18:24 Once again, if I say "someone who thinks the Moon is made of green cheese should think Moon missions don't need to take rations", I am not saying anything about actual provisioning of Moon missions. 18:24 So if you repeatedly and angrily protest how important it is that astronauts don't go hungry, you're kind of missing the point. 18:24 lol 18:25 he said what he said. i don't unserstand it, nor do i agre with it, nor do i really care at this point. But enough with telling me i'm wrong 18:25 No, not enough; you're wrong. 18:25 oh ok! 18:26 He made a statement very like the one above, about what _someone else_ might conclude, based on their beliefs. 18:26 That's not an endorsement of that hypothetical someone else's beliefs, or their conclusions. 18:26 ok, so now you're sort of explaining it 18:26 Well, I told you that very same thing half an hour ago. 18:26 yeah he said "they should think this", now, I can see how out of context it might look like he's saying he thinks in general he also thinks this 18:26 i quoted what was actually said 18:27 but what you quoted wasn't him stating his own beliefs, it just looked to you like he was doing that 18:27 and you're doing mental gymnastics, and i'm some freak for disagreeing with a clearly wrong statement 18:27 we ain't doing no mental gymnastics 18:27 * K2 puts on the moderator hat 18:27 i'm leaving. don't worry 18:27 figure out some resolution. wrap it up 18:27 K2 do you're thing 18:27 rebatela: It's curious how literally every single other person commenting can do the same "mental gymnastics". I wonder if that could be because you're wrong? 18:28 your* 18:28 rebatela you dont have to go 18:28 but if the discussion just keeps going round and round... maybe just best to agree to disagree 18:28 im ok with that. enough's enough 18:29 i tend to let discussions work themselves out, but if progress isnt made after however many minutes... yeah 18:29 !booze everyone 18:29 * Beholder delivers everyone a tall glass of the sauce, brewed by demogorgon at 85 degrees Fahrenheit. 18:29 mmmm booze 18:29 this is my thing. and it's the last thing i'll say. I took what he said as "eduation is the problem!!" like a joke, like a monty python type koke ? 18:29 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 18:29 joke? 18:29 in which case it's ok and funny and everything 18:30 Christ, mate, if you're dropping it, drop it. Don't give us the same misinterpretation a hundredth time. 18:30 but if it was meant like public education should BE. I couldn't disagree more and don't want to talk with people who feel that way 18:30 rebatela, yeah, but it was neither 18:30 deep breath 18:30 *shouldn't be 18:30 deeeeep breath 18:31 oooh food. bbl 18:31 alright K2's gone let's have it out 18:31 gloves off 18:31 hha 18:31 haha 18:31 i love y'all 18:31 aw :) 18:31 cutie 18:32 pinkbeast: how is it a misinterpretation ? I quoted what he said 18:33 and don't put it on me . you are ikeeping it going 18:33 One can quote a statement verbatim and yet misinterpret it. 18:33 ... indeed you have demonstrated a phenomenal ability to do so. 18:33 * aoei munches popcorn 18:34 The fact that public education exists is the real problem 18:34 (isn't that what he SAID???) 18:34 and I'M WRONG?? 18:35 well now you've cut off even more context 18:35 that's all i read 18:35 that's when i walked in 18:35 and we've already been over the fact that the full sentence was "they should have a problem with bla" 18:35 and this they was referring to the specific wackos that are the antivaxxers 18:36 but we've been over all this 18:36 That's very literally wrong, yes; as you'll see from https://www.hardfought.org/irclog/%23hardfought-2019-03-09.log the first use of the expression "real problem" today was by you. Demo never used it. So that's not quoting Demo, no. 18:37 3 points to Ravenclaw! 18:37 i'll go to my death bed believing education is imporant. i'm SO sorry if it bothers any of y'all 18:37 Pinkbeast, I've assigned you to house Ravenclaw btw 18:37 But that's how i took it 18:37 What, not Harkonnen 18:37 good night 18:37 rebatela, hahaha. that's not what we're bothered by though 18:37 rebatela: Now you're back in "feeding astronauts is important" mode. No-one said it wasn't. 18:37 it's what bothered ME though 18:37 and it's what started thsi 18:38 yeah but all we ever tried to do was explain that nobody here ever said that public education was a problem 18:38 There shouldn't be public eudcation in the first place! (that's how i took it ) 18:38 tryin to defend ourselves from being seen as some crazy anti education people 18:39 where's demo? what did they mean? I mean demo said it 18:39 Demo did not say that, no. 18:39 oh just stop. i have quoted it several times 18:39 I've just linked the log which you can search for yourself. 18:39 K2 come back 18:39 help 18:39 we need you 18:39 lol 18:39 The quote you just produced is, as once again the log illustrates, not something said by Demo. 18:39 i'm leaving 18:40 no i just paraphrased 18:40 like K2 said you don't have to leave 18:40 but the quote is real 18:40 go back 18:40 that's what he said 18:40 No; you've "paraphrased" what Demo said into your misinterpretation. 18:40 hon, a quote is a quote 18:40 ... 18:40 And that is not a quote, as discussed. 18:40 go back 18:41 " i'm not trying to argue with ANYONE" - now, that's a quote. 18:41 10:36 <{Demo}5> I think those that have a problem with vaccines being forced for public schools have their problem in the wrong place 18:41 10:36 <{Demo}5> they should have a problem with public schools existing, not vaccines 18:42 rebatela, so... is Demo really saying public schools existing is a problem? 18:42 i couldn't believe it ! that's why i reacted to it 18:42 You couldn't believe the misinterpretation of it. 18:43 I don't give a fuck a bout most things, ya know? it bothered me 18:43 well. goood. i'm glad to know (from you) that i'm wrong 18:44 but it wasn't hard to take it as you should need money to go to school 18:44 and demo has yet to take it back, its just you sticking up for him 18:45 some people feel that way 18:45 Demo doesn't have to "take it back" because it doesn't say what you think it does, it says something fairly reasonable; and of course Demo did attempt to explain your misunderstanding. 18:45 and i will tell them to piss off until the end of my days 18:45 you misinterpreted a thing. its fine. but then we got this whole thing going because you refuse to accept that its meant as you think it means 18:45 i've already acknowleged i may have misunderstood 18:46 and yet you still imply he has to take it back and some people feel that way or whatever 18:47 if i read on FB tomoroww (not that i'm on FB) "The whole problem is that public education even exists!! " 18:47 the latter i suppose is true since 'some' nonsepcific people feel just about any way 18:47 i'd respond similiary 18:47 similarly 18:47 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:47 rebatela, yeah but again, differen't quote 18:48 ummm that' s pretty much the quote. go back. that's why this is sos silly. i don't feel like arguing anymore. i have a lot of respect for all of you . take care 18:48 i literally looked up and pasted the quote a moment ago 18:48 it doesn't say "the whole problem is that public education even exists!"" 18:49 does your mind use some very fuzzy string matching algorithms or what 18:52 this argument started by me responsing to a copy/paste. 18:52 sure, but you later misquoted various times including the example just now 18:52 I pasted what they saidi 18:52 now you're blatantly misdirecting 18:52 no, i've been trying to paraphrase it 18:53 because mty computer shut down an hour or more ago 18:53 No, it didn't; it started with you saying " : : scrollback :: public education is a bad thing? ummm", not with a copy/paste. 18:53 Pinkbeast, thank you for checking that 18:53 you think i made that up? 18:53 So for the fourth time the entire day's IRC logs are available at https://www.hardfought.org/irclog/%23hardfought-2019-03-09.log and you can review them. 18:53 rebatela: I know you are mistaken because, for the fifth time, the entire day's IRC logs... etc 18:53 just out of nowwhre i staretd this? 18:53 lol 18:54 why the anger? seriously? 18:54 rebatela, our point being you can't take something someone said, make an interpretation, and state that as what the person originally stated 18:54 Well, you didn't respond to a copy/paste. You can check for yourself. 18:54 i 'm standing up for education 18:54 i think it's important for society 18:54 you're not standing up for education mate 18:54 Why not stand up for education somewhere where anyone has said it's a bad thing? 18:54 nobody's against education 18:55 that's how i took the quoe i was respodning to ? 18:55 oh right so because you took it that way, you can now state that the person said it the way you took it, and that's a quote 18:56 Beast is right.I am not looking for trouble. I don't understand the hostility. Holy shit 18:56 i think i get it though lol 18:56 k cool 18:58 the people who are really in power? they benefit from keeping the masses uneducated. i'm sure you know this.. It bothers me 18:59 it's what is keeping them in control 18:59 yeah you go back to this whole education thing thing, but nobody ever disagreed with you about that 18:59 its like you know 18:59 that isn't some consipiracy theory or anthing. that is how it is 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 847 points, T:2254, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:00 we're still on this huh 19:00 heh 19:00 im trying to explain why it bother me 19:00 holy shit 19:00 man those ribs were GOOD 19:00 nice 19:00 so full 19:01 its like i dont have room for this drink 19:01 but i'll find a way 19:02 oh man. i m so sad. i wish you guys the best. i din't fucking DO anything. i just questione the guy saying public education was a bad thing. 19:02 There was no such guy 19:02 rebatela, fjsklafjsdla he didn't say that though this is the whole problem we have with the thing 19:02 but i understand the desire to keep us all dumb 19:03 its fine if something like that bothers you, it would bother us too 19:03 but you constantly stating that someone said that because you interpreted that way is like, i dunno, kinda bogus 19:11 i just don't get how everone else has become the expert on what he meant by what he said 19:12 cos its obvious when you put the two lines together 19:12 shall i paste them again 19:12 everyone else is defending it.. and i dont really care that much, but let him speak for himself 19:12 yes post 19:12 maybe i only read the latter 19:12 I think for two reasons; 1) because everyone but you parses it the same way and 2) because Demo themselves did try and explain this exact misinterpretation to you. 19:12 10:36 <{Demo}5> I think those that have a problem with vaccines being forced for public schools have their problem in the wrong place 19:12 10:36 <{Demo}5> they should have a problem with public schools existing, not vaccines 19:13 oh i see 19:13 did you seriously not read both lines the last time i pasted that?? 19:13 holy shit 19:13 you mean the schools the way they are? 19:13 "<{Demo}5> and yeah, what pinkbeast is saying is the context in which that quoted line was said" 19:13 not the existence of ? 19:13 rebatela: OK, after a side conversation, I'm just going to ask. Are you drunk? 19:15 reading that sentence it seems a weird way to say what y'all are trying to say he meant 19:16 ethey should have a problem with public schools existing 19:16 i thought he meant the problem was with them existing 19:16 k 19:19 give that sentence written to a bunch of people and see how they interpret it 19:19 i'm so sorry 19:19 rebatela: We did. We used the readership of #hardfought, who appear to have - with one exception - interpreted it in the same way. Please answer the question? 19:19 he menat with existing public schools? 19:21 look, it's not even that you misintrepreted it, thats fine, but even when we explained it to you you were getting super defensive, as if explaining that Demo didn't mean it like that was a personal attack on you for misinterpreting it 19:21 and it took many many times trying to explain 19:21 and we went around in circles 19:21 no. honestly i was just trying to argue the premise that public school was a bad thing. i couldn't belive he was saying it 19:21 that was all 19:22 wait, no you wanna argue the premise that public schools a bad thing? 19:22 now* 19:22 the whole pinkbeastsherlockholmes i've been drinking thing? you should probably find something better to do with your time. I was just trying to stick up for education 19:23 rebatela: I wonder if you'd be so kind as to answer the question, nevertheless. 19:23 if it helps, i confess to being fully on drugs while on irc on the internet 19:24 you clearly don't care. You're looking for an opportunity to to shame me. I'm not sure what I've done to you? 19:24 nobody wants to shame anyone 19:24 im sure Pinkbeast was just curious 19:24 as am I 19:24 Pinkbeast seems to be all in on a figth tho who isn't theirs 19:25 fight your own battles. i called someone out for saying something that bothered me 19:26 there's nothing wrong with that 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:31969 19:26 ehhhhh 19:26 i give up 19:27 i misunderstood. maybe they didn't represrent themselves perfectly. regardless? we don't need someone from a couple thousnad miles away to chime in and argue one side and call me a drunk 19:27 I didn't call you a drunk; I asked politely if you are, at this moment in time, drunk. 19:27 i don't think i've been mean to anyone 19:27 I can hardly shame you with that; I've been drunk on IRC often enough. 19:28 and i'm biting my lip. I'm sure I could say something that would insult you as well pb 19:28 Please feel free to ask me any yes-or-no question of that kind. 19:28 it's changed the subject. I STILL don't know what was meant by the thing that i was argunig about in the first place 19:28 rebatela, like i said before, nothing wrong with calling out something that bothered you, but ALSO in my opinion nothign wrong with defending that person when they didn't mean what you thought 19:29 wait, you still don't? 19:29 we explained that a bunch of times too 19:29 and occasionally you would even say 'ok i think i get it' 19:29 like, eventually 19:29 10:36 <{Demo}5> I think those that have a problem with vaccines being forced for public schools have their problem in the wrong place 19:29 10:36 <{Demo}5> they should have a problem with public schools existing, not vaccines 19:30 wait what did it mean again 19:30 schools... shouldn't exist? 19:30 Demo thinks public schools should not exist? 19:30 sorry guys I'm with rebatela now, that is appalling 19:32 ok i get it. You're moking ME thinking that's what he was saying. all si good. <3 19:32 that was aactually a good way to put it 19:32 i'm sorry 19:32 nothing gets past you eh 19:32 lol 19:33 hey it's better than playing games with some total assoholes right? at least i have some sort of feelings and shit 19:34 excuse me are you trying to imply that we don't have feelings 19:34 i will have you know that i have a wide range of emotinos 19:34 emotions* 19:34 no. not all of you!!! 19:34 just that aoei guy 19:34 ah ok. gee, thanks 19:35 that's alright, it's true, I am a robot 19:35 i am programmed to do one thing... 19:35 EXTERMINATE! 19:36 he didn't mean we shouldn't have public education. i get that. that's not what he said at all 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:16096 19:45 hit big room with my gnome wiz, previously at the mines I got as far as orctown and ran screamining 19:45 screaming* 19:48 pinkbeast:: yes, i'm drunk. why do you think i'm not playing my game ;) ? 19:48 sorry :( 19:49 y'all are the best. i wasn't trying to cause a problem 19:51 yasi: http://probablybadrpgideas.tumblr.com/post/183096850260/leather-armor-made-out-of-troll-skin-it-is-nearly 19:53 thanks to being invisible I'm just about hanging on in bigroom 19:53 also quarterstaff at Skilled when you have 18 Str isn't actually so bad 19:53 troll hide armor that is nearly impenetreble but becomes a troll again if left alone for too long 19:53 just wish I had better armour, AC:4 is a bit of a problem if you want to melee shit 19:54 bug_sniper: And I guess you have to scrape a layer of troll out of it every morning, ugh 19:56 K2 and everyone who's ever been on this channel i m sorry. Pinkbeast is right. i have had to much. But I SWEAR, the only reason i got excited is because it was about education. Hope y'all have a wonderful weekend !!! truly 19:56 too* 19:56 y'all are some of the best people i "know" 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:33988 19:57 i really mean that 19:58 Pinkbeast, yes, expecially if its the head part 20:00 at the end of the day i got it pretty good because roguelike players are fucking on point 20:02 o ha, managed to defeat the big room 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 857 points, T:1553, killed by a gnome lord 20:07 maybe this gnome wizard has a shot 20:08 shit, no general stores up to bigroom in the main dungeon, and minetown is orc town 20:08 ooh wait but this is un, there should be a town branch too 20:14 aw. town doesnt have a gen store either 20:17 who was it said throwing stuff into shops doesnt work anymore? which variant was that in? 20:17 works in UnNetHack thanksfully 20:17 a 20:19 <@luxidream> un is 343 based 20:19 ah so it doesnt work in 3.6? 20:20 <@luxidream> Yeah, changes in 3.6 will also affect 3.6 variants 20:20 naturally 20:22 wanst sure if it was a variant change or vanilla change 20:23 well that was a lot of backscroll 20:23 hi aosdict 20:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] GEC (Kni Hum Mal Law), 14988 points, T:10807, killed by a horse, while praying 20:30 woop woop. i used the throwing in a shop trick to id identify, and the one non-stacking scroll was blessed and id'd my entire invent 20:44 nice 20:46 uh, really wanna rob this entire potion store 20:46 dont have enough cash to buy all the stuff 20:47 i've been doing that in my current game. i ususlly don't. I have those K cops after me everywhere 20:47 does that count as murder? no, right? 20:47 i know the shopskeeper does 20:48 yeah only if you kill the shopkeeper 20:48 kops are never generated peaceful 20:48 afaik 20:48 right 20:48 best is have a pet kill the shopkeep (if you don't need them for price id) 20:49 mm, or be chaotic 20:49 but im neutral today so... 20:49 i mostly want pots for #dipping 20:49 so i could buy the cheapest shit, but some stuff i also want to know what is so either formal ID or use ID as much as poss 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:26533 20:51 at some point all that stuff will be your s 20:52 i mean.. it reaches a point, where that dungeon is yours. You might let the the guy live and all, but the scrolls and potions and stuff... 20:52 (at least that's how i play) . is that neutral? 20:53 idk 20:53 i don't really care about that. trouble is my character *is* neutral 20:53 so the murder penalty will apply 20:54 but i do kind of like moralistic conducts like i usually play vegan 20:54 maybe the natural progression would be to play pacifist 20:54 oh and i always play genoless 20:57 currently also playing athesit 20:57 atheist* 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Moku (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 109 points, T:994, killed by a goblin 21:00 i hear ya. people play different ways. i hardly ever kill shopkeeprs/mine town guards etc.. some people just kill them all immediately and then make up with their god 21:06 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:07 -!- j has joined #hardfought 21:07 -!- j is now known as Guest10936 21:07 -!- Guest10936 is now known as rebatela 21:08 i usually let my pet kill the watchmen 21:10 smashing orc town with my warhorse pet and my blessed +6 quaterstaff 21:14 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:33159 21:14 hi oh6 21:14 nice bribe rebatela 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:33175 21:17 gah. my warhorse went and got itself killed attacking a mumak 21:17 very sad 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Moku (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 370 points, T:2151, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 21:17 pavelb: yes, i think asmodeus could tell i was drunk as well. just didn't want to deal with me 21:19 woot! 21:19 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/7c479955f8007bf9f60528b0e1be44cacfab4059 21:19 \o/ 21:20 ok bed time. early day tomorrow. drill weekend. 21:20 night K2 21:20 gnite! 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:33567 21:26 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:30 hehe, oops, forgot i wasnt wearing my CoMR for some reason, walked onto a polytrap 21:30 now im a vampire lord 21:30 if i get hungry and can't eat people food can i starve to death and die while in vampire polyform? 21:31 cuz then i might want to unpoly sooner rather than later 21:31 it sucks when that happens and you break out of cloak (esp robe) 21:31 mm 21:31 that's when i rage quit lol 21:31 A vampire lord: does not eat. (*) 21:31 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Con Orc Fem Cha), 238 points, T:642, killed by a bat 21:31 read: does not starve 21:32 You can starve to death while polymorphed though 21:32 if you turn into something that does eat 21:32 Andrio, but i checked the wiki, and I'm playing UnNetHack, where if you're polyed to a vampire you won't be able to eat regular food 21:32 ah 21:32 but will need fresh blood 21:32 which is also probably not vegan 21:33 Definitely not vegan 21:33 im gonnna unpoly 21:33 its funny. i used to play vegan on nethack a lot before i ever went vegan in rl 21:33 Did you die? 21:33 not yet! 21:35 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Law), 6 points, T:8, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1552058467.splice.txt 21:35 woooo way to go bouquet 21:37 !tell AntiGulp sorry... just tested eating again. I have food in my inventory but pressing 'e' replies with "You don't have anything to eat." 21:37 AntiGulp shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, bouquet. 21:37 Ha! 8 turn ascension. 21:37 is that going to be in the record books? 21:38 wait how did that happen 21:38 I exited the dungeon. 21:38 oh hahaha 21:38 i thought you won 21:38 * Line 34: Unknown option 'fruitname:jackfruit'. 21:38 * Line 128: MSGTYPE regex error: Invalid preceding regular expression. 21:39 I think it's just 'fruit' 21:39 do you think that's why I can't eat? 21:39 You couldnm 21:39 You couldn't eat jack 21:39 still can't eat 21:40 uh 21:40 bouquet, did you polymorph? 21:40 I just entered the dungeon 21:40 !who 21:40 Andrio: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh362] looselystyled [nh362] bouquet [spl] | [hdf-eu] aoei [un] | [hdf-au] No current players 21:40 I'll blank my config and see if there's some garbage in there, maybe. 21:41 No idea then. 21:41 still can't eat 21:41 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Law), 7 points, T:1, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1552185355.splice.txt 21:41 1 turn ascension! A new record 21:42 You can do a 0-turn ascension in wizard mode 21:43 or this: http://tasvideos.org/3080S.html 21:49 anyone else got a second to try Splicehack and see if you can eat? 21:50 !who 21:50 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh362] looselystyled [nh362] picaresquieu [un] | [hdf-eu] mightyquinn [nh362] aoei [un] | [hdf-au] No current players 21:50 Just want to make sure it's not just me. 21:51 it works here, though this is the AU server 21:52 you can eat? 21:52 [hdf-us] [spl] Andrio (Kni Ang Mal Law), 12 points, T:2, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Andrio/splicehack/dumplog/1552186348.splice.txt 21:52 ah, so you can. 21:52 Knight: yes. Monk: no 21:52 Maybe you have to be hungry or something? 21:53 no, I couldn't eat even when I was hungry. 21:53 I could only eat rotten corpses. AntiGulp decided it was "the ghoul bug". 21:54 mm 21:54 [hdf-us] [spl] Andrio (Mon Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1506, eliminated by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 21:55 Elimination! 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] looselystyled (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 740 points, T:1971, killed by a hill orc 21:56 my games going pretty well but im really gonna need reflection soon 21:56 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:58 Also strange that on the DYWYPI screen it still said HP: 4 22:01 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:02 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:03 whew, vegan atheist, ran out of food, got some id scrolls out, one ring was slow digest 22:11 ow holy shit 22:11 lietenant with a wand of lightning, just about survived that 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed oilskin sack", on T:52073 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Death, on T:52127 22:38 So you can be non-binary in SpliceHack; what does that mean with foocubus encounters? 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Death (5 times), on T:52200 22:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:52231 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed potions of booze", on T:52255 22:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 4734024 points, T:52256, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Leggman/nh361/dumplog/1549641962.nh361.txt 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1527 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] looselystyled (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 3500 points, T:4552, killed by a rothe 23:04 engrave testing a wand 'for what do you wish?' my mouth literally made the sounds 'bwuh huh huh?' 23:05 i reckon... "oR, shield of reflection doesn't make much sense for a wizard 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:30993 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30994 23:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1466 points, T:3050, killed by a plains centaur, while praying 23:17 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:18 -!- Ytteb has joined #hardfought 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] fcloud (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 891 points, T:2229, killed by a little dog 23:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 12 points, T:93, killed by a sewer rat 23:25 -!- eraserhead has joined #hardfought 23:29 well, that's a first (for me) - 2 altars in the same room w/an aligned priest 23:30 is one a mimic? 23:30 oooh... ...good point - lemme check 23:30 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Law), 19 points, T:19, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1552185717.splice.txt 23:31 bouquet: omg - u were right! 23:31 rofl 23:31 a small mimic, it is 23:31 there's a first time for everything! 23:31 !tell AntiGulp I can eat as a knight, but not as a monk. 23:31 Will do, bouquet! 23:32 I'm using that mimic for dart practice ^^ 23:32 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law), 14 points, T:3, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/splicehack/dumplog/1552192249.splice.txt 23:33 wut?!? LoL T:3? 23:34 I ascended in 1 earlier :) 23:34 splicehack has some... issues. 23:34 hehehe - I was afraid to ask 23:35 Monks can't eat. Not sure if it's a bug or some hunger mechanics AntiGulp put in and didn't tell anyone about. 23:36 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Law), 77 points, T:231, killed by a boulder 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:24965 23:44 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Law), 298 points, T:708, killed by a wand 23:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Sam Hum Mal Law), 779 points, T:1718, killed by a wererat 23:55 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 23:58 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]