00:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 286 points, T:1183, killed by a magic missile, while frozen by a potion 01:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:28 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:28 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:29 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 03:31 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:41 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:08 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:26 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:42 -!- captain42 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:49 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 05:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:16 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:51 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:58 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 07:07 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 07:08 are you friggin kidding me 07:08 in the first room 07:11 think im not quite ready for this role 07:14 yeah convict can be difficult 07:17 i was not far from starving to death anyway... lemme guess, you start with low nutrition, or hunger quicker with the ball, or both? 07:17 * bhaak takes notes 07:17 XD 07:17 i cant remember, i've never really played the convict role. i know hunger IS an issue starting out 07:17 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) genocided class L, on T:44989 07:17 not sure I'm a fan 07:17 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Convict 07:18 but i get that some hardcore nutters might enjoy it 07:18 you have to be more specific, all nethack players are hardcore nuts 07:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:19 oh wow you can smash things with your iron ball 07:19 hadn't thought of that 07:19 reconsidering the role now xD 07:21 Tangles has played convict quite a bit 07:22 porkman too 07:23 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:45403 07:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:45529 07:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) was given the Profaned Greatscythe, on T:25975 07:41 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed Mephisto, on T:46232 07:43 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:24 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:33 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 08:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:52 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:00 this cough is kickin my ass 09:00 BLAH 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2809 points, T:3245, killed by a soldier, while dressing up 09:11 <{Demo}5> just slept for 12 hrs, fever still burning up, fuck. maybe I'll make it back to my slethe game at some point 09:14 :( 09:19 so i dug up a grave on dlvl9 in gh yesterday 09:20 the zombie dragon was pissed off 09:20 zombie dragon on dlvl 9. let that be a warning to you kiddies 09:20 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:22 lol 09:24 i'm still debating whether to bring those over to evilhack or not 09:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:25 i feel out of all the new things i made for grunthack, zombie dragons were not my best idea 09:25 agreed 09:25 i had a pet zombie dragon for a long time in one grunt game. she was pretty cool 09:25 no breath weapon though 09:26 or more precisely, could have been implement more betterly 09:26 because they don't have it or because pets don't use it in grunt 09:26 *implemented 09:26 well maybe not have them show up in graves on dlvl 9 09:26 stennowork prob the latter 09:26 zombie dragons in grunthack have a green drgaon breath attack 09:27 i thought pet dragons did use breath in grunt 09:27 I don't like the whole concept of zombie dragons. When they die do they leave an uncolored "dragon corpse"? 09:28 the inspiration came from game of thrones fyi 09:28 no wait 09:28 spoilers 09:28 splicehack had them, i grabbed them 09:28 but GoT is still a source of inspiration 09:29 and i changed them from how antigulp imagined them 09:29 to be more inline with gh zombies 09:29 oh wait i'm confusing games 09:30 the zombie dragon is in splice, and i still have her 09:30 viserion 09:30 this is why i hate having more than one game runnning 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 837 points, T:2616, killed by a rock mole 09:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:44 YANI: Combine SporkHack locusts with an idea I remember from jonadab for them to target food. Locusts have the disease-causing bite that they have in SporkHack, but if their bite against you hits, it will first try to eat 50 units of nutrition from a comestible you're carrying, which then becomes "partly eaten" or gone entirely if it had less than 50. Eating the food makes the disease effect not 09:44 happen. 09:45 This only applies to comestibles in open inventory. If you have food stashed away, they don't target it. 09:47 locusts are cool 09:55 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 10:04 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had orcish dagger named Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:1834 10:04 gah 10:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:09 \o/ 10:16 [hdf-us] [4k] m (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha) heard a rumor from The Oracle, on T:3771 10:16 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 10:17 gah. i accidentally cancelled my inventory 10:17 seems I made a mistake with engrave testing 10:18 brilliant 10:22 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1622 points, T:2296, killed by a gnomish werewolf 10:22 aoei: did you by chance engrave x? 10:22 yeah... 10:22 does that not work anymore? 10:23 x has a chance of being scuffed out before you engrave test 10:23 curse you, bhaak!! 10:23 so you have to be really careful to watch for "do you want to add..." 10:23 well this is true in all variants afaik 10:24 oh really, but not vanilla right? or have i just never noticed? and if you're illit you can't engrave anything else right? 10:24 i think it is true in vanilla but i never play vanilla outside of junethack 10:27 I call variant paranioa 10:27 *paranoia 10:27 XD 10:27 guilty 10:27 and suitably ashamed. sorry bhaak :P 10:28 the only way to get absolution and rid your soul of this heavy guilt is by playing a 100 games of unnethack 10:28 bah. bhaak has plenty of other stuff to answer for 10:28 !games aoei 10:28 100 games total or 100 more? because i thinkj i have the former covered 10:28 !gamesby aoei 10:28 maybe 10:29 how do i bot 10:29 stennowork, i dunno, how DO you bot? 10:29 !plr aoei 10:29 i don't think beholder does that one 10:29 !player aoei 10:29 !asc aoei 10:29 stennowork: [hdf-eu] aoei has ascended 4 times in 84 games (4.76%): nh362:3 (6.25%), un:1 (2.94%) 10:29 thats the one 10:29 oh but no information was given 10:29 but that doesnt show total games. oh but you can tell from the per cent 10:29 that i have less than 100 total games 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:51122 10:29 you can also tell by the '84' 10:30 heh 10:30 stennowork, but thats counting both isnt it? 10:30 sure but if the total is below 100, the summands will be below 100 too assuming there is no negative game count 10:30 -!- aioe has joined #hardfought 10:31 aoei: of course more. the absolution only counts on from the moment of your sin 10:31 k. i'll get right on that 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:51150 10:33 anyway i have in fact played 34 unnh games 10:34 'unnh' - the sound one makes when they lose another game of unnethack 10:34 :D 10:34 moans in roguelike 10:34 :p 10:34 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34 are nh and variants all just played by weird masochist gamers? 10:34 we probably all hate ourselves 10:34 not unlikely 10:35 i dont hate myself 10:35 well thats good 10:35 i like a challenge 10:35 me too 10:35 nethack is challenging 10:35 is it 10:35 it is'* 10:35 depends 10:35 'progress through suffering' 10:36 K2, sounds a bit like doing a PhD 10:36 heh 10:36 i wouldnt know 10:37 i was on the assoc. degree 24 yr plan 10:37 i would. i assure you there is much suffering involved 10:37 and maybe some progress 10:37 whats your PhD in? 10:37 organic chemistry/a bit photochemistry 10:38 Dr. aioe 10:38 stennowork, i finally got a real science paper accepted in a real journal and stuff 10:38 K2, not yeeet 10:38 :P 10:38 -!- aioe is now known as aoei 10:39 * hothraxxa dropped out of university after 3rd year due to scholarship ran out and being poor 10:39 my wife is planning on wrapping up her doctorate starting enxt year 10:39 *next 10:39 never went back because i discovered a degree was unnecessary 10:39 physical therapy 10:39 cool 10:39 then i can check one more thing off the bucklet list 10:39 hothraxxa, also fair 10:39 *bucket 10:39 dammit 10:39 :D 10:40 hah 10:40 i've had a few papers included in symposium proceedings, that's as close to academia as i get 10:40 i was her bucket list item when we first met ('date' a military guy) 10:40 (sea turtle symposia) 10:40 hothraxxa, thats also pretty cool 10:40 get hothraxxa's book 10:40 its very cool 10:41 i gave a talk at a symposium one time 10:41 ^ shameless plug 10:41 aoei: it is, because the sea turtle people were quite accepting of presentations by lay people 10:41 nice 10:41 also i had an excellent mentor 10:42 he insisted that we submit because we'd done pioneering work in fibropapilloma research 10:42 sweet 10:44 I'm half tempted to go back and get a Masters in something completely unrelated to my undergrad major/minor. 10:45 Linguistics maybe? 10:45 I'm getting a degree in CS and I spend a lot of time wondering wether I should complete a masters 10:45 when I was getting my masters I was plagued by "do you want to get a phd? DO YOU????" 10:45 I minored in CS. 10:45 i'd go for the post-graduate degree 10:46 nowadays its what you need to really get ahead in certain fields 10:46 Eh, I don't care about getting ahead in a field, I just always liked school. 10:46 Sometimes my brain comes along and drops this weird idea in my head that maybe I want to teach in the future 10:46 If education weren't so crazy expensive, I'd have gone back some time ago. 10:46 before it used to be 'HS diploma gets foot in door, BS degree you're good' now its swap HS diploma with BS degree and get the post-graduate 10:47 PavelB: That's another thing I've thought about going back for. Not sure if you can get a second bachelor's? 10:47 PavelB: I decided to complete a masters in CS because I reasonably expected that five or ten years down the road a masters would ultimately be better for my career 10:47 kids these days. i had a career of over 40 years in cs and nobody ever asked me if i had a degree 10:47 heh 10:48 (in addition to the "PHD???" crowd, I also had people saying "just work somewhere where they'll pay for your masters!!1!") 10:48 i'd love to go back to school and get a 4 yr degree in CS or cybersecurity 10:48 [hdf-us] [4k] m (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:6569 10:48 i just dont have the time 10:48 hothraxxa: I don't think anyone would ask me about that degree _now_. 10:48 But at the time, it was useful for getting my first IT-related job. 10:48 K2: You can do it for free because GI or something, right? 10:49 i got mine by acing the ibm aptitude test 10:49 I think that only pays the tuition? 10:49 i have the post-9/11 gi bill but i've already transferred that over to my kid 10:49 I think you still have to cover your own books, and maybe room and board. 10:49 she shouldnt have to pay for anything for higher education until she gets to post-grad level 10:50 oh yeah? wait until trump university is mandatory 10:50 in germany you can start with 4k euro/month with a BoS 10:50 you pay to be the best 10:50 cant run a university from prison right? 10:50 as a software dev 10:50 K2: you're gonna be mad when she says she wants to drop out of high school and start a band or art studio or something 10:50 aosdict hahah 10:50 well maybe not 4k but 3k at least 10:50 yeah i'm counting on that 10:50 or, idk, join the army :P 10:51 stennowork: Yeah, but then you'd have to live in Germany :-) 10:51 daddy, i'm dropping out to be a nethack dev 10:51 \o/ 10:51 jonadab, which is an amazing place to live 10:51 stennowork: I'm just giving you a hard time. 10:51 I have nothing particular against Germany, actually. 10:52 Well, a couple of minor concerns about their views on free speech; but nothing that would stop me from living there short-temr. 10:52 *term 10:52 if mini-me is any bit like her mom at all, school wont be a concern 10:52 what if she is like you? 10:52 we're fucked 10:52 stop teaching her nethack this instant! 10:53 hahah 10:53 i always scored well on tests but i barely made it through high school - i dont like homework 10:54 she might have a big future in roguelike esports 10:55 Luxidream: The Next Generation 10:55 I'm the same 10:55 actually... given how well she can snow ski already, maybe olympic ski team? they pull a lot of members from VT 10:55 both her and her cousin 10:55 I got nearly perfect on the ACT so I get so much spam from colleges even still about scholarships and whatnot I'm just like "oh boy wait 'til you see my gpa" 10:55 heh 10:56 K2: why not both? 10:56 PavelB: take advice from the guy who already went though all this - do what you need to do to get your GPA up, graduate HS and get a degree 10:57 there's chess boxing, why not roguelike skiing? 10:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:57 It's march of my senior year, so bit late for advice 10:57 chess boxing? 10:57 I got into college just fine :) 10:57 PavelB nope, never too late 10:57 <{Demo}5> whats the best polyform that has two weapon attacks and is able to wear body armor? 10:57 K2: yes. chess boxing. 10:57 wanty 10:57 want want want 10:57 who wants to play chess boxing with me? 10:57 I'm good at one of those things 10:58 same. i've never boxed 10:58 but i know i can take a punch 10:58 unfortunately i know 10:59 before it used to be 'HS diploma gets foot in door, BS degree you're good' now its swap HS diploma with BS degree and get the post-graduate 10:59 ah yes, the old degree inflation 11:00 I don't think I could take being slapped 11:00 Those damn anti-bullying programs 11:00 BSc doesn't count for so much when so many people have them now 11:01 Sometimes I think I should join the army 11:01 I blame you K2 11:02 good 11:02 chessboxing is awesome 11:02 Oh have you tried 11:02 we can chessbox when we meet up in dublin 11:02 no 11:02 booze chess is nice too 11:03 Is that like, take a drink every time a piece gets taken 11:04 https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41oWmRPxBdL.jpg yes 11:04 lul 11:04 stennowork you going to worldcon this year?? 11:04 well 11:04 i am considering it 11:04 the only correct answer is 'yes' 11:04 I just realized I've never been to a convention 11:04 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:04 i heard that a lot of nethack community people will come 11:04 yes 11:05 and last time i was in dublin it was fun 11:05 Almost came to Pax cause it happens right next to me but was foiled but unjust age restrictions 11:05 aww 11:06 Hmm, I went to Dota 2 TI, it's not *called* a convention but it might as well be I suppose 11:07 i think the only thing close to a convention i was was CeBIT 11:07 bhaak, did you hear that cebit got cancelled 11:07 oh chaos communication congress of course 11:08 TI was great, it's not just the one final championship it's a full week of competitions. But they also set up a bunch of other events where you can get loot, try out betas, etc. 11:08 I would show up at 6 AM and leave at 9 PM 11:08 And then they moved to Canada :V 11:08 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 11:12 stennowork: yes, I heard it in the news 11:15 rip an era 11:16 PavelB: what, you can't go to canada from the seattle region? 11:17 unless they moved it somewhere like toronto which is far away? 11:17 It's vancouver, but in previous years I just *walked* there 11:18 one no longer simply walks there? 11:18 Well it used to be in Seattle 11:18 one does not simply walk into canada 11:18 can'tada 11:18 (I biked through a canada border crossing once though) 11:18 To get to vancouver I'd need to drag the rest of my family along. Although, I'll be 18 this year so it might not be a problem. 11:18 Might just be the one year I miss 11:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:26 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed Orcus, on T:50678 11:38 * raisse is going to do the nethack fan meet at worldcon, just like in helsinki 11:38 woooo! 11:39 looking forward to worldcon 11:39 me too, just told someone who wanted me for something that I couldn't do august because worldcon and other stuff 11:42 Likewise (nethack meet), conrunning crises aside 11:44 heh 11:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:45 CEB's mostly doing stuff before the con this time, unlike Helsinki, so the odds of that are diminished. 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:41062 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41067 11:54 -!- eraserhead has joined #hardfought 11:55 Can I use a cursed %oTeleportation to go from Gehennom to DoD? Or does it follow the general levelport rules (no levelporting between regions)? 11:55 you can go up from gehe to DoD 11:55 teleport ration, huh 11:55 Muad: cool - ty ^^ 11:55 ^^ 11:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:51742 11:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51744 11:59 I'm finding Tourist to be loads of fun (prolly my favorite role now - maybe Wiz is 2nd)... 11:59 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) genocided class T, on T:51792 11:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:02 <@luxidream> wish there was a nethack meetup somewhere in america lol 12:05 Oh, there is. My house, this afternoon. 12:05 There will be one of us in attendance, probably. 12:05 on my way 12:06 (Actually, if anybody here is gonna be in or near Galion at any time, /msg me.) 12:06 (Driving through Ohio on US 30 is the most likely scenario for that.) 12:15 hmm... ...guess I didn't clean out Vlad's - only had 6 candles 12:35 8 is guaranteed 12:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fireproof +2 t-shirt named Totally Awesome", on T:48850 12:40 :) 12:42 oh wow, full healing is my smoky potion. 12:42 hah 12:42 you'll go to drink a blessed potion to save your ass and you'll get a pissed off djinni instead 12:45 almost as bad: you hear chugging. a voice says "you freed me" 12:45 I'd like to wish for an AoLS and I'd like it to come preinstalled 12:47 it's about time 12:48 which i think is actually correct for the situation i was postulating 12:49 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 12:50 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:53712 12:50 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:53713 12:54 @luxidream there's roguelike celebration in SF that has happened for 2 or 3 consecutive years by now. 12:54 sounds cool 12:54 go team ant 12:56 I hope someone brings a sign/badge/shirt to one of these cons that reads "Go Team Ant!" 12:56 :D 12:57 "My other variant is NetHack 3.6" 12:58 hmm... ...wonder if I can poly for magic markers... ...need magic tools for fodder? 12:59 yes 13:00 only have a bag of tricks, spent MM, one unihorn - gonna have to get super lucky... 13:00 I always remember the one time I had 2 extra unihorns and 2 poly potions and got 2 markers out of dipping them =) 13:00 damn! 13:02 bhaak: that would just legitimize LarienTelrunya's complaints that 3.6 is an inferior variant of 3.4.3 13:03 why the hell do I often not get pinged when my nick is mentioned??? the above message didn't ping me :( 13:04 Naive matching doesn't check substrings? 13:04 (I guess). 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed orb of fate", on T:51191 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:42675 13:05 also yeah, almost everything I'd have to say about 3.6 would be rather unladylike so I'd rather keep my trap shut and just say 3.4.3 was better :P 13:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) woke the rulers of Gehennom by performing the invocation, on T:54075 13:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54085 13:11 LarienTelrunya: I've noticed you denigrating 3.6 on reddit (on other subreddits like /r/roguelikes) and I can't help but wonder if that consistent negativity hurts the nethack community at large 13:14 i'm gonna make a t-shirt out this - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2500/source 13:16 aosdict: huh? need to find those posts again, IIRC I tried to be relatively neutral lately 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:51312 13:16 aosdict I doubt it 13:16 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54249 13:17 oh you meant the one in the design smells thread, well most of the stuff I listed there is also in 3.4.3 13:18 and as far as the "nick one peaceful centaur, game unwinnable" thing is concerned, I will keep complaining about that until it gets fixed :P 13:19 eh? 13:20 in fact the same problem also exists for the new deproved (opposite of improved) cleaver: use it while next to the quest leader or quest friendly, bam, game unwinnable 13:21 LarienTelrunya i know how we can easily fix those 13:22 really? how? 13:22 yes! play samurai 13:22 1) dont hit peaceful centaurs 2) dont use cleaver 13:22 \o/ 13:22 ok that's not exactly a fix 13:22 sure it is 13:22 well I already play only samurai in non-slex :P 13:22 identify problem, identify solution, implement solution 13:22 done 13:22 #2, sure. #1, sometimes unavoidable 13:23 guess I should feel lucky that 13:23 aka i never saw him there officer 13:23 that I don't play ranger (hit enter by misake) 13:23 argh what the hell 13:23 actually, splicehack, evilhack and i think xnethack have a bonafide solution 13:23 shouldn't be eating and typing at the same time :P 13:23 oh and sporkhack 13:24 Just this game, I hit a mob standing next to the Priest in the VoD Cleaver... ...resulted in a free robe ^^ 13:24 it's definitely a fix. This isn't a game where the computer makes decisions for you. You have to consciously NOT use cleaver in proximity to peacefuls. 13:24 yay sporkhack!!! it's where slex pulled the "quest portal doesn't vanish and you can kill the leader" stuff from :D 13:24 aye - I agree 13:24 it's the nature of NH to give you enough rope to hang yourself with 13:24 yeah you can kill quest leader and continue 13:24 IF you can kill the quest leader 13:24 they aint easy 13:25 in splice, a volatile mushroom colony can easily hit peacefuls that you didn't know existed 13:25 but gas spores in any variant 13:25 @v?Lord Sato 13:25 Lord Sato (@) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d8 weapon physical, 1d6 weapon physical | Alignment: 20 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible 13:25 @s?Lord Sato 13:25 Lord Sato (@) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 24 | Spd: 15 | Res: sleep poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d10 weapon physical, 4d10 weapon physical | Alignment: 20 | Flags: omnivore, flies, nopoly, infravisible 13:25 re Cleaver, are we not over gratuitous UI screw as a proxy for difficulty? 13:25 heh, so spork just generally buffed the stats of all the leaders? 13:26 which variant is @v? 13:26 lol :P 13:26 in most of the variants where you can kill the quest leader to continue quest, the leaders have been buffed up in stats and gear 13:26 Oh, vanilla 13:26 @v is either vanilla or 3.6.0, but probably the stats are the same for both 13:26 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: back later maybe] 13:26 unnethack made the leaders immune to death rays, apparently 13:27 does spork/evilhack do that too? 13:27 i dont think so 13:27 in slex I instead made the nemeses all immune to death rays because it was kinda cheesy that you could kill some of them that way :P 13:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed the high priest of Moloch, on T:54490 13:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:54492 13:29 Re design smells, incidentally, whatever failings autoexplore is indicative of, it also means people with RSI can play the game. 13:30 Pinkbeast: If autoexplore is an incidental accessibility feature that most players don't feel the need to use and that doesn't significantly impact the rest of the game's design, sure. 13:30 Pinkbeast: to them I'd actually recommend the quicktravel command instead, which does a similar thing but allows the player to control the direction of travel ;) 13:31 jonadab: Also of course it lets people with RSI play the game even if it's not an "incidental accessibility feature (etc)" 13:31 aosdict: you mean "an inferior variant of unnethack" 13:31 yaaaaaaaay bhaak has picked up on my "nethack is a variant of unnethack" theory! :D:D:D 13:31 evilhack/sporkhack dont make the quest leaders immune to death magic 13:32 their resistances are beefed up tho 13:32 LarienTelrunya: Doesn't really eat enough keypresses, alas. 13:32 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Nbn Cha) destroyed Dispater, on T:54820 13:33