00:03 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Severian (Kni Clk Mal Law), 822 points, T:1793, killed by a giant bat 00:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Severian (Mon Clk Mal Law), 878 points, T:2524, killed by a kobold lord 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of free action", on T:35223 00:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:28580 00:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28586 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of magical breathing", on T:35225 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 T-shirt", on T:35230 00:39 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 00:39 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 643 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:35893 00:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Severian (Sam Clk Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3335 00:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Severian (Sam Clk Mal Law), 2925 points, T:3357, killed by a giant beetle 00:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:30814 00:49 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 00:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Severian (Mon Clk Mal Law), 848 points, T:1363, killed by a kobold 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:36382 01:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Severian (Mon Clk Mal Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:4656 01:53 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 518 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:38760 02:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:08 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 02:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Severian (Mon Clk Mal Law), 8853 points, T:6504, killed by a bolt of cold 02:12 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39422 02:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:39423 03:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Severian (Sam Clk Fem Law), 6629 points, T:4515, killed by a bolt of cold 03:25 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:29 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 03:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:21876 04:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:06 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:22725 04:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:22771 04:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:23107 04:24 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 04:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 04:28 -!- tsadok has joined #hardfought 04:30 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:30 -!- jonadab has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:30 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:33 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:35 -!- Announcy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:37 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 04:43 git commit 399b381 (and a bit of clean up in commit a1cb531) 04:44 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:44 ^ result of yesterdays discussion regarding dragonbane 04:44 gnite :P 04:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:24907 04:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:25605 05:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4031 05:58 eep my pets have found a poly trap 05:59 my Olog-hai is now a frost giant but my ex-cat Elvenking is a piranha 05:59 at 1 HP on land 05:59 ... and fell into a pit which killed it, of course 06:00 lol, now the frost giant is an air elemental, just when I wanted to give him the Trollsbane the piranha had dropped 06:02 and now he's a raven, after briefly being an acid blob 06:02 oh, a pit fiend, that's okay 06:02 I'll see if he'll wield Trollsbane 06:03 Tom wields an uncursed rustproof morning star named Trollsbane! 06:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 helm of brilliance", on T:26884 06:09 * raisse tames another purple worm 06:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5000 06:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:41989 06:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:25 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 07:25 -!- stenno_ has quit [Changing host] 07:25 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 07:25 -!- stenno_ is now known as stennwoork 07:26 -!- stennowork has quit [Killed (tepper.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 07:26 -!- stennwoork is now known as stennowork 07:27 -!- Announcy has quit [Killed (asimov.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 07:27 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 07:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 07:28 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:30 -!- phinxy_ has joined #hardfought 07:30 -!- tsadok_ has joined #hardfought 07:30 -!- captain42 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:45085 07:31 lul freenode 07:33 !netsplit 07:33 oh, wrong channel 07:34 hehe 07:38 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 07:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:29636 07:53 heh 07:53 no netsplit, no! 07:59 <@Tone> Whoa, nice curses fix https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/5a432d0c97c6868b5968e35ac4999e5149eca6d8 08:00 loading... loading... 08:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:30845 08:00 <@Tone> You don't get a blank perm invent window to start 08:01 <@Tone> And it updates if you redraw the screen 08:02 2 other related fixes before that commit 08:02 yeah they did a few things with the window code 08:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of detect treasure", on T:30884 08:02 do i wait until patch friday? 08:02 <@Tone> Yeah the first one was the enchantment issue I mentioned the other day 08:02 <@Tone> I submitted a bug report for it yesterday 08:03 good job @Tone 08:03 look at that turnaround 08:03 i submitted a report yesterday too but it didn't make it in the buglist yet 08:10 -!- gareppa has joined #hardfought 08:14 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/399b3811e319e28aa5552a88ac41d1dec081a990 08:15 is the damage without monster AC reduction? 08:16 monster ac reduction? 08:16 yes, monsters have AC, which reduces attack damage 08:16 i dont believe thats a factor 08:16 just saying that if dragonbane damages a dragon for d6+2, there is probably not much left 08:16 its not a weapon hit 08:16 its passive damage 08:17 if the dragon hits you while you're wearing dragonbane 08:17 i actually had it higher than 1d6 + 2 initially and toned it down 08:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:31936 08:17 <@Tone> Neat twist 08:18 and 10% passive instakill chance? 08:18 both passive and active 08:18 <@Tone> Bane item made of its bane-foo 08:18 no. for other artifacts 08:18 for any monster? 08:18 no just dragons 08:19 i was playing in the src/artifact.c at first to try and setup an instalkill chance but since its armor and not a weapon it wasnt panning out 08:19 and in that section for the other artifact weapons, it was 14% i dropped it to 10 08:19 oh ART_DRAGONBANE isn't defined anymore? 08:19 it is 08:19 but its a piece of armor now 08:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:32154 08:20 look at the whole commit 08:20 yes i do 08:20 YASI: an artifact stack of flint stones that does bonus damage against monsters made of stone, e.g. stone golems. :P 08:20 i am looking in artifact_hit 08:20 that bit in artifact.c was commented out, i got rid of it in the commit right after 08:21 oh it's commented out 08:21 derp, gotcha 08:21 i think the passive damage is a better fit 08:21 it WAS active when dragonbane was a spear 08:23 but yeah, the discussion we had here yesterday afternoon (my time) made me think of dragonbane as a piece of armor 08:23 i was initially going to switch it over to a halbred 08:24 but then it'd never get used 08:24 halbred would still be neat tho... 08:25 and i chose acid resistance because monster spell based acid attacks are about to become a thing for evilhack, much like grunthack 08:25 dragonhide gloves sound really powerfull _and_ you get acid resistance which awesome 08:25 yeah i didnt go crazy on the ac adjustment 08:26 dragonhide anything in grunthack is an adjustment of 9 08:26 for this i made it 5 08:26 it is an artifact after all 08:29 anyways. it'll be interesting to see how well this is received when i make evilhack live for play 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 2 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:33454 08:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:41 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) killed the Ancient Brain, on T:32676 08:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34772 08:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:34902 08:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:35184 08:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:53 [hdf-us] [4k] n (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 4368 points, T:2374, killed by a force bolt 08:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:59 K2: Your dragonbane change is quite interesting; if I adapt it, I would make it regular gloves that are forced to have the DRAGON_HIDE material (rather than adding a new item), and since they still give reflection I probably wouldn't give the acid resistance. 08:59 cool 08:59 i added the acid res because monsters casting acid attacks will be a thing much like in grunthack 08:59 spell casting that is 08:59 you should also, of course, add mhitm and uhitm cases for if the attacker is a dragon and the defender is wearing dragonbane 09:00 yeah its on the to do 09:01 and reflection isnt 100% either (just like sporkhack) 09:02 i love acid resistance in vanilla too 09:02 i go yellow dsm if i have reflection and mr already 09:02 so my interpretation of the gloves may seem overpowered compared to vanilla, but for evilhack it fits i think 09:03 aosdict: i know i kinda dismissed new artifact pieces as armor, but after thinking about it some it made more sense 09:03 what item can i pick that hasnt been realized as an artifact 09:04 of course dnethack or slex may have a glove based artifact, but i didnt check those 09:05 [hdf-us] [4k] n (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 5799 points, T:2701, killed by a water demon 09:14 K2: Out of interest, any idea if the sacrifice gifting code *specifically* looks for weapons to gift? 09:14 Because the wiki has said for a while something like "you may receive an artifact weapon from your god" 09:14 but I don't know if that's a consequence of all the non-quest-artifacts being weapons 09:15 i think that's how it's always been. are there any non-quest artifacts that arent weapons (not counting my recent dragonbane change) 09:15 ? 09:16 and i'll need to account for that now too hah 09:16 I'm not sure if it just picks a random non-quest-artifact subject to the usual alignment stuff etc, or whether there's some filter that specifically requires a weapon to be gifted 09:19 and my code for evilhack is based off of sporkhack's sac system, and i've modified that quite a bit 09:19 for weapons it looks at what you're skilled/expert in 09:19 for the regular weapons anyways 09:29 [hdf-us] [4k] Rebecca (Naltrac) (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 1005 points, T:439, killed by a boulder 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3017 09:32 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Rog Syl Fem Cha), 564 points, T:442, killed by a jackal 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2263 points, T:3468, killed by a wolf 09:51 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 09:56 that moment when i mistype 'herford' (a city in germany where we have some on-site software) as 'hardfought' 09:56 stupid muscle memory 09:58 <{Demo}5> isnt it hereford? 09:58 <{Demo}5> wait no thats in england 09:58 a city in germany is called 'herford' 09:58 <{Demo}5> wrong european place 09:58 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herford 09:59 <{Demo}5> oh its for the people's republic of east germany 09:59 wut 10:00 <{Demo}5> the cold war still isnt over, cant trust anywhere in germany that east, dont know if they have commies hiding under their bed :P 10:00 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00 but it's in west germany as you can see on the map 10:00 west is left 10:00 <{Demo}5> what it looks like its on the right side to me 10:00 <{Demo}5> of the box in the top right corner 10:01 do you have the map of north rhine-westphalia and not of germany 10:01 <{Demo}5> yall arent a continent so idk how ur shaped, if ur in the east part of a picture of germany ur as good as a commie 10:02 ta fuck boi 10:02 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 3660 points, T:1569, killed by a hobbit 10:02 <{Demo}5> actually, update, if you are on the east half of europe you've probably been compromised. 10:03 you mean the half that germany is not on? 10:03 <{Demo}5> uh... rounding? 10:03 <{Demo}5> east germany rounds up to east europe 10:03 <{Demo}5> with rounds up to the eastern hemisphere 10:03 but NRW is west germany 10:03 you are looking at the map from NRW 10:04 <{Demo}5> well yeah they are touching compromised red state, so therefore they are compromised as well 10:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:06 <{Demo}5> actually im pretty sure communism is contagious airborne, pretty sure thats all the plague was back in the day 10:06 <{Demo}5> but back then they hadnt invented it so instead of dying slowly they died quickly 10:07 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:11 {Demo}5: did you forget to take your pills? 10:12 <{Demo}5> i slept really really weird last night and im feeling really creative this morning 10:12 {Demo}5: if you only recognize countries if they have the shape of countries, you must be Australian? 10:13 <{Demo}5> yeah that ones a real country, so is antartica 10:13 <{Demo}5> its too cold for communism to survive down there 10:14 bhaak what do you think - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/399b3811e319e28aa5552a88ac41d1dec081a990 10:14 now 10:14 from yesterday convo 10:16 K2: in any case more worthwile than vanilla's dragonbane 10:17 but... 10:17 :P 10:18 hehe 10:19 I'm still playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey and there you can get complete sets of armor. 10:19 even pants? 10:19 <{Demo}5> make it give acid punch 10:19 like gloves, helmet, boots, body armor, etc which belong to a common set 10:20 ah 10:20 of destiny and excellence 10:22 no pants, but "belts" that are actually belts and skirts 10:22 complete sets unlock a special effect 10:22 like "all arrows become poisonous" 10:23 or the immortal set allows you to come back from the dead with 20% health 10:23 ooh neat 10:24 i want bejeweled black leather battle shorts 10:24 (2 sizes too small) 10:24 i bet slex has those 10:24 LarienTelrunya! 10:25 does slex have leather battle shorts? 10:25 K2: uhh it has hawaiian shorts, but they're not made of leather :P 10:25 <{Demo}5> yasi: reading a dunce cap should abuse intelligence 10:26 i didnt make up those shorts btw 10:26 I was thinking for nethack, you might add sub quests that let you find those items one by one 10:26 <@riker> k2: I'm imagining your head on Mr. Slave from south park now 10:26 <@riker> just your github profile picture 10:26 comes from one of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy books 10:28 @riker hahaha 10:32 bhaak that'd be neat 10:34 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Rog Syl Fem Cha), 4944 points, T:2144, killed by a giant ant, while fainted from lack of food 10:38 [hdf-us] [4k] nal (Naltrac) (Rog Syl Fem Cha), 714 points, T:345, killed by a sewer rat 10:43 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 10:45 K2: (backscroll) slex actually has plenty of artifact gloves :) 10:46 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1416 points, T:658, killed by a dwarf 10:46 figured hah 10:47 LarienTelrunya: Is there an artifact tin opener though 10:48 PavelB: kind of; there are two, so if the question was if there is exactly one artifact tin opener then no :P 10:48 Nice 10:48 You should take my artifact boulder - Sisyphus's Rock yasi 10:49 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 10:49 artifact boulder... lol 10:50 yeah as you're rolling it along if you roll it into something it just completely squashes it 10:50 downside is it's really a pain to carry around with you 10:50 there is an artifact boulder in slex actually, but it does something else: it grants magic resistance when carried 10:50 Ah 10:51 oh geez 10:51 screwed if you're not a giant 10:51 Petition to retcon YASI to mean Yet Another Slex Idea 10:51 if i ever make an artifact boulder, i shall call it 'Pet Rock' 10:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:52 It's not just a boulder... 10:53 <{Demo}5> add an artifact pistol to slex called 'Pet Glock' 10:53 If SLEX doesn't have an AWP in it I'd be a little disapointed tbh 10:54 hahaha just checked, slex has 6 pistol artifacts 10:54 PavelB: it has a Mosin-Nagant :D 10:54 <{Demo}5> does slex have AWP? 10:54 not yet 10:55 <{Demo}5> make sure you make it have the proper value 10:55 - Frantic typing heard from LarienTelrunya's computer 10:55 "It does now!" 10:56 <{Demo}5> how am i supposed to save for awp if there isnt an awp? 10:56 lol, reminds me of that time when I was playing against a friend and I kept buying an AWP to kill him, and he was like "wtf, where are you finding it?" and after the game was over I told him that there was a buy zone :P 10:56 he thought the map didn't have a buy zone! 10:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:57 You can *find* guns in counter strike? 10:57 some maps, like aim_ak-colt or various fy_(something) maps, yes 10:57 <{Demo}5> yeah when u find someone with one and take it 10:58 oh and slex has a M249 Para too, of course :D 10:58 I've only played de_dust2 and cs_office 10:59 <{Demo}5> i think a counterterrorist role would be funny, replace prayer with the buy menu 11:00 You start with a defuser that cancels gas spores and such on apply 11:00 b43 b61 11:00 (Can you cancel gas spores?) 11:00 b8 11:00 Hi stennowork 11:00 counterstrike, you either buy weapons at round start or take them off of dead bodies (friend or foe) 11:00 counter terrorists win 11:00 hi 11:00 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 11:00 a cancelled gas spore probably still explodes 11:00 b13 b7 11:00 economy round :( 11:01 de_aztec was fun 11:01 You'd need like a seperate defused state then 11:01 Or it just instantly deletes the gas spore without it exploding 11:01 Actually SLEX probably already has C4 traps 11:01 <{Demo}5> just team kill for awp 11:01 awp: b51b8 11:01 for the counterterrorist role, there should then be terrorist monsters, and whenever you enter a new level there's either a bomb that you have to defuse within X turns, or a bunch of hostages you have to rescue 11:02 probably my muscle memory isn't correct anymore 11:02 it has been a decade or so 11:02 15 years since my last CS game 11:02 there were also the very rare escort maps, where one of the CTs is a VIP that can only use crap weapons and has to be protected by their teammates 11:02 it always sucked to be that VIP :P 11:03 VIP sounds great, when it's inevitably my fault our team lost it's easier to shift the blame 11:03 shouldn't the VIP be a pet 11:04 for the nethack role probably yes 11:04 but I was thinking of maps like es_oilrig (is that what it's called?) 11:04 it's sad how maps these days have names with proper spaces and capitalizations 11:04 I like the prefixes 11:11 the last CS I really played was condition zero; only tried source once or so 11:12 my brother was a huge fan of source, and when we then played the original again, he was like "wtf why do all the guns aim so badly here, in source I'd have headshot you already now" :P 11:13 I've played all of them, but only enjoyed cs:go 11:15 hardfought got its start with quake2/3 and especially the original counterstrike 11:15 way back in 2000 11:16 this makes me want to fire up team fortress 2 11:16 whoever designed that game nailed it 11:16 team fortress classic I also played a lot, with my brother complaining that it has pixelated graphics :P 11:16 He's not wrong 11:17 I don't think TFC aged very well 11:17 Especially given TF2 exists 11:17 hdf was one of the top TF2 servers in north america when the game was first released 11:17 had a good run with it 11:18 i ran two 32 player ports 11:18 stayed full most of the time 11:18 loved to play either engineer or sniper 11:18 I mostly like shooters with fast movement systems 11:18 Titanfall 2 is awesome but I badly miss tribes:ascend 11:18 tribes! 11:18 havent heard that title in a long time 11:19 scout ftw :P it always felt like an achievement to kill a heavy with the nailgun 11:19 i never got the hang of scout 11:19 but the gold award would go to killing a heavy with a caltrop :P 11:19 or the spy 11:19 i liked playing demoman too 11:19 If you like Tribes the closest thing we have that still exists is titanfall 2 11:19 another favorite frag method of mine is to build a dispenser as an engineer and blow it up when an enemy tries to use it :D 11:19 heavy is fun IF you have a good medic 11:19 You can move around at light speed but you actually need to put in effort to accomplish this 11:20 <{Demo}5> scout is so much fun 11:20 <{Demo}5> you can be such a dickhead 11:20 sniping scouts is more fun 11:20 Unlike tribes where everyone is moving at 100 miles per hour automatically 11:28 .nick raisse 11:28 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:29 -!- raisse is now known as Guest14120 11:33 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:33359 11:36 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Kni Hum Mal Law), 5070 points, T:1484, poisoned by a quasit 11:37 -!- Guest14120 is now known as raisse 11:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) killed Medusa, on T:35305 11:46 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:56 bhaak: set bonuses are interesting. I have made some moves to do that with object materials (with copper, sort of). 11:57 aosdict: YANI due to your github username: if you're wearing a full set of copper items, you can go underwater without needing to breathe and without getting wet. :D 11:58 no, if you put on a full set of copper items, you drown. 11:59 going to tackle the other half of the variant page today 12:01 YANI: dungeon branches that are completely submerged, so you have to be able to survive underwater if you want to explore them. 12:01 LarienTelrunya: Hmm, would that be better done with a level flag that means "everything should be treated as in water", rather than water terrain? That lets you have walls and other features that are "waterlogged". 12:01 sounds slexy 12:02 bouquet: It actually sounds like something splice might do 12:02 aosdict: yeah that's what I meant, you can have other terrain types but count as being underwater while you're in there 12:03 the angband variant ToME does that for one dungeon, and it's very annoying if you don't have water breathing (you constantly take huge amounts of drowning damage) 12:03 it also has one dungeon where there's no air, so you need magical breathing for that 12:04 LarienTelrunya: I'm having trouble working out how you would guarantee the staircase switch from unsubmerged to submerged not to instakill people 12:04 yeah that is indeed a problem 12:04 the > that leads in can't be "waterlogged" because it would be on a non-waterlogged level 12:05 submerged 12:05 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 133956 points, T:28635, killed by a rothe 12:05 maybe drowning shouldn't be an instadeath :D 12:05 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1395, killed by a fox, while helpless 12:05 treat the stairs as water if they're submerged ;) 12:05 no mention of the water caves of adom? 12:06 LarienTelrunya: yes a breathing timer would fix it 12:08 the other way is a hacky "This leads down into water. Are you sure you want to enter?" 12:09 or maybe have the player get wet and crawl out of the water without actually changing levels 12:12 -!- LarienTelrunya_ has joined #hardfought 12:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya_] by ChanServ 12:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:12 -!- LarienTelrunya_ is now known as LarienTelrunya 12:14 IIRC there used to be the bug in dnethack (which has a breathing timer) that multi-turn actions don't get interrupted when you're underwater, so if the action ends on a tile surrounded by water, DYWYPI? 12:14 but I think that got fixed 12:19 the reason I haven't tried my hand at a breathing timer yet is because I know it would be crazy buggy 12:23 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 676 points, T:742, killed by a little dog 12:26 what I still don't understand is why dnh's breathing timer doesn't just let you move around underwater; you still try to crawl out automatically for some reason 12:28 <{Demo}5> cause it would confuse people 12:28 <{Demo}5> they would think they could breathe and not see the timer 12:29 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:32 uhh, that's why one would add a clear "You dive into the water. You will be able to hold your breath for X turns." message, and give something like "Warning! You're running out of air! If you don't resurface, you'll drown!" when it's about to run out 12:33 in fact, slex has a technique called silent ocean, which gives the player temporary water breathing, and it gives several such warning messages before it runs out 12:41 -!- Muad has quit [Quit: shutting down] 12:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:41 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) performed their first genocide (disenchanter), on T:37066 12:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:37197 12:47 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 12:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:50 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 4455 points, T:3389, killed by a giant bat 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1411 points, T:2431, killed by a pony 12:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 hex dragon scale mail", on T:37416 12:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of flight", on T:37424 13:04 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2762 points, T:2271, killed by a baby green dragon 13:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased wooden helm of opaque thoughts", on T:37642 13:10 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:37688 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:38183 13:13 man i had a good day at work 13:13 hooray for good days 13:14 \o/ 13:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:37745 13:15 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of time", on T:37745 13:16 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:17 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) made their first artifact wish - "blessed fixed treasury of proteus", on T:37747 13:19 🙌 13:20 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:37760 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:38219 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:34781 13:27 [hdf-us] [4k] bugby (Tinybehemoth) (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 768 points, T:764, killed by a kobold 13:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 helm of brilliance", on T:37846 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5159 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a gnomish wizard, on T:4471 13:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering an acid blob corpse on an altar of Mercury, on T:3214 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4926 13:39 !tell jonadab Should the variant history graph have an arrow from NetHack brass to Fourk? 13:39 Will do, aosdict! 13:40 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 20 points, T:29, killed by a falling rock 13:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 271 points, T:431, killed by a rabbit 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:36274 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 4874 points, T:5230, killed by a horse 13:49 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:38640 13:57 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 56 points, T:78, killed by a fox 13:59 also i have been listening to the new HEALTH x JPEGMAFIA collab for about 15 times in the last two days now 13:59 so, good music too! 13:59 good stuff all around 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:41832 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37568 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37572 14:14 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2775 points, T:2186, killed by a bugbear 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] phyphor (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 658 points, T:1158, killed by a killer bee 14:30 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Rog Syl Fem Cha), 1476 points, T:713, killed by a newt 14:33 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1159 points, T:2074, killed by a dwarf 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:24, killed by a fox 14:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:43 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 2046 points, T:1265, killed by a gas spore's explosion 14:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 134 points, T:662, killed by a large mimic 14:49 [hdf-us] [4k] Naltrac (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1290 points, T:542, killed by a force bolt 14:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] phyphor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3586 points, T:4682, killed by a mumak 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 975 points, T:1650, killed by a kobold lord, while sleeping off a magical draught 15:04 [hdf-us] [4k] a (Kneejello) (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:3302 15:04 [hdf-us] [4k] a (Kneejello) (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 16218 points, T:3307, killed by an ettin mummy 15:07 -!- Porkman has quit [] 15:14 [hdf-us] [4k] n\] (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 4785 points, T:2124, killed by a water demon 15:14 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3262 points, T:3579, killed by a rabid rabbit 15:17 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 15:22 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1449 points, T:1756, killed by a rock kobold 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45731 15:25 -!- hothraxxa_ has joined #hardfought 15:26 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45740 15:27 -!- hothraxxa_ is now known as hothraxxa 15:32 [hdf-us] [4k] e (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 6417 points, T:3770, killed by a human zombie 15:39 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 15:39 [hdf-us] [4k] m (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 2874 points, T:2107, died of starvation, while fainted from lack of food 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46526 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46533 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:46571 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:46666 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:46669 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9987 15:51 [hdf-us] [4k] n (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 4692 points, T:1990, killed by a bolt of lightning 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:47307 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:47416 16:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:48013 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:48070 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:48087 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:11525 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1843826 points, T:48116, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/nh361/dumplog/1551089204.nh361.txt 16:21 grats rebatela 16:21 !streak 16:21 stenno: [hdf-eu] stenno Max[nh362]: 1 (2018-07-21 - 2018-07-21). 16:21 !streak rebatela 16:21 stenno: [hdf-us] rebatela Max[nh343]: 1 (2018-06-10 - 2018-06-13). Current[nh362]: 1 (since 2019-02-25). 16:22 thanks 16:22 took a bath on water :( worked out ok 16:23 found grayswandir in bones.. usally play weaponless/armorless but was actually able to hit with it (as a monk) even wearing SDSM that i also found 16:23 you played a restricted grayswandir wielding armor wearing monk? :D 16:24 It's weird sometimes I'll have 23 DX and high level and I can't hit wearing armor. But this game I could hit even unskilled and wearing scale 16:24 yes i did :) 16:24 lol 16:24 It's not like i wished for the stuff though lol 16:24 yeah grays is hard to leave on the floor 16:24 it's just too good 16:25 exactly my thinking 16:25 wasn't there even a way to unrestric arbitrary weapon skills by crowning? 16:25 i don't think so. getting gifted werebane unlocks saber 16:25 but i didn't bother trying for that. would have taken forever with all the artifacts created 16:26 (plus i could hit anyway) 16:26 and it definitely still did more damage than martial arts 16:28 yeah lol 16:28 i'm SO used to martial arts though, so what a difference! lol especially having silver in gehennom 16:45 the unlock is possible (as a neutral monk) if you get crowned wielding grayswandir while vorpal blade already exists 16:46 ahhh ok 16:46 that's good to know 16:46 I got crowned there at the end but was given VB 16:47 as a lawful it's easier since you won't get excalibur gifted from nothing 16:54 <@Winsalot> Hey guys, so I bought caves of qud recently and would like to hear what nethack players think of that game 16:55 <@Winsalot> Cos I am having trouble there 16:55 <@Winsalot> But I have trouble in nethack as well, so maybe I'm just really good at dying in roguelikes idk :) 16:58 <@Tone> I had fun with it 16:58 <@Tone> They do some really cool stuff with proc gen 16:59 <@Tone> Although some of the lore reads like mad libs 16:59 <@Tone> Character creation and advancement is really nice 17:00 <@Tone> but I stopped playing when I realized the game didn't have an ending yet 17:00 <@Tone> I think most people play it as an open world sand box roguelike currently 17:05 <@Winsalot> Anyone planning to make a new variabt called "nethack of qud"? 17:05 <@Winsalot> Could be fun 17:05 <@Winsalot> And tbh what I really like about coq is the mechanic of puring water on yourself 17:06 <@Winsalot> Some variants should try implementing it as well 17:13 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of charm", on T:62295 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of charm monster", on T:62563 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:62563 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:62585 17:21 <{Demo}5> what does pouring water on yourself do in coq? 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:5038 17:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 26283 points, T:9323, killed by a Woodland-elf 17:29 <@Winsalot> If you are amphibious it moisturises you 17:30 <@Winsalot> And if you are on fire it puts out the flames 17:45 does pouring holy water uncurse worn and wielded items? is there holy water? is cursed even a thing? 17:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15663 18:17 -!- Xaleth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:17 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 18:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1051 points, T:1276, killed by a kitten 18:53 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:67552 19:12 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 19:34 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:57 --more-- prompts are a bit difficult 19:58 anyway i should go to bed lol 20:09 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 20:44 <@Tone> hothraxxa: No holy water in CoQ as far as I know 20:44 <@Tone> honestly, all water is probably holy in that world 20:44 <@Tone> you get wine and honey and tar though 21:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tsadok] by ChanServ 21:24 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 21:26 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker named Ticonderoga", on T:36854 21:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:36856 21:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:37038 21:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:37752 21:51 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:39217 22:04 YANI: a new type of gray stone that if uncursed does nothing special and if blessed/cursed can be rubbed on another object to transfer the blessing/curse to it (making the stone uncursed). If cursed, it may possibly transfer the curse to a random item on its own, silently, and when this happens the stone may or may not remain cursed. 22:04 A cursed one spawns in the Mimic of the Mines in place of the loadstone. 22:05 Trying to think of a name for the item, but can't really think of one 22:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:33 [hdf-us] [fh] phfn (catthedd) (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 36108 points, T:2247, killed by a watch captain 22:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:40 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:44 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 22:50 -!- ShivanHunter_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:54 -!- ShivanHunter has joined #hardfought 23:17 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:21 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43883 23:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43884 23:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]