00:00 hmm 00:00 in vanilla, there's a comment that says '2 free bits' 00:00 but you'd think all the number values would add up to something like 32 00:01 current is 44 00:01 free bits are up until the next multiple of 8 00:02 ah 00:02 i get it 00:02 and they're grouped together to reflect that 00:03 <{Demo}5> a cool set notation 00:04 so what happens if i add a new bitfield that's 3 but there's only 2 free bits left in the current group 00:04 whatever struct you're editing will increase in size by a byte 00:04 and there will now be 7 free bits 00:05 so it doesnt really matter then 00:05 it does matter for certain structs 00:05 for instance, struct rm 00:06 most structs probably can take an extra byte just fine, but be careful around ones that the game needs to keep track of lots and lots of 00:06 ok 00:06 <{Demo}5> I added 2? extra bits to rm 00:07 <{Demo}5> I still want to make them go away 00:07 <{Demo}5> haven't noticed any performance issues 00:08 yeah, I'm being overly cautious here and approaching this from the standpoint the devteam would take, which is "we can't increase struct rm by a byte and add 200KB of save file size! That won't work on an old system!" 00:09 compared to, say, nethack4 variants, adding a byte is probably unnoticeable 00:10 oh I also found the answer to the bitfield question: since it uses unsigned as the base bitfield type, they can't exceed 32 bytes per field. 00:18 uff 00:18 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: brb] 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2028 points, T:1209, killed by a boulder 00:29 -!- Luxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37 aosdict: do you have the source for the graph, or a more permanent url? 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 415 points, T:1597, killed by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 426 points, T:576, killed by a manes 00:50 paxed: yeah I have it as a .dot. link to source (not reflecting its changes from today, until I push it) is https://github.com/copperwater/xnethack-extras/blob/master/nethack_history_compact.dot 00:51 I was thinking of uploading it to the wiki and putting it as the page image for Variant 00:52 sounds good to me 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 215 points, T:567, killed by a hobbit 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:11, killed by a water demon 01:26 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of taming", on T:64547 01:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:56 after a heroic fight with a hobbit, a wererat, and several ants and rothes 02:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 02:16 !setmintc 5000 02:16 raisse: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for raisse set to 5000 02:32 -!- UsagiMero has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:36 -!- tsadok has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 02:40 -!- jonadab has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:19 aosdict: btw, https://bilious.alt.org/~paxed/nethack/nhdes.vim (although that's for 343) 03:28 i also have emacs mode and gtksourceview hilite rules 03:28 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 03:29 paxed: anything for nano? 03:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:33 K2: sorry. 03:33 no worries 03:33 worth the ask ;) 03:43 nano has syntax highlighting? 03:45 okay, nano is bigger then pico, insofar it makes sense it has more features 03:46 is there are femto editor? 03:50 oh yeah nano has syntax highlighting 03:51 loves me some nano 03:51 but it doesnt show you paired brackets like vim does 03:52 maybe someday 03:52 -!- ShivanHunter_ has joined #hardfought 03:53 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55 -!- ShivanHunter has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:29 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:30 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:33 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:35 looks like it would be pretty easy to create a nano one 04:43 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:08 eek, was behind a boulder and a monster was in front of the boulder 05:17 gah 05:17 only wanted to know if it was safe for a water prayer 05:17 not any more now, obviously 05:32 vt_tiledata is a compile-time option in 3.6.1+, right? 05:32 as in you have to explicitely enable it during compile for it to be in the game 05:33 correct 05:33 thanks 05:34 paxed: is NAO-3.6.1 compiled with vt_tiledata ? 05:34 like, 3.6.1 on NAO 05:35 should be, yes 05:36 oki 05:51 lol, poly trap turned my large cat into a lynx 05:55 also, one of my nymphs into an orc zombie and the other into a baluchitherium 05:55 and a crocodile I tamed into a white unicorn 05:55 Nice polymorph trap. 05:55 yes 05:55 just below minetown 05:56 Are baluchitheria good pets? 05:56 I don't think I've ever had another one 05:56 usually try to tame T when I want strong pets 05:56 but they're rideable, and very strong 05:56 (not that I have a saddle, or even a magic whistle) 05:56 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:57 ah, the orc zombie thought better of it and is now a wumpus 05:57 Oh 05:57 But are they slow? 05:57 faster than wumpuses but I don't think they're very fast 05:57 not like a leocrotta that can beat the shit out of you before you can take one step 05:58 mm 05:58 it's about as fast as a non-hasted player, it seems 05:59 and the wumpus is slower 06:01 IIRC balucitheria are speed 12 06:01 A cloud of gas puts you to sleep! It explodes! You are caught in a blast of kaleidoscopic light! You are freaked out. You wake up. 06:02 argh ran into some Y 06:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1394807 points, T:50954, killed by a silver arrow 06:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) was given the Rod of Lordly Might, on T:3397 07:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] grumlin (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 12214 points, T:9130, killed by a leocrotta 07:10 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 07:10 -!- aoei has quit [Client Quit] 07:18 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 07:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4445 07:39 huh why does the MKoT not like me 07:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:49 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:56 I did it finally! 07:56 {Demo}5: i did it! 07:57 here is the first push for my low-level Node bindings for nethack 3.6.1! 07:57 https://github.com/stenno/NodeHack 07:57 {Demo}5: https://github.com/stenno/NodeHack 07:58 hm the readme formatting is not good 08:00 oh, the castle wand was cursed 08:00 good thing I read identify rather than finding out the hard way :D 08:01 eek yes 08:02 EPI: if you zap a cursed wand of wishing, the wish simply fails, using up a charge. 08:02 optionally with "You thought you felt something in your hands" message 08:03 heh, maybe a 50% chance of "Unfortunately, nothing happens" and a 50% chance of getting a wish prompt and the "felt something" message once you hit enter :D 08:07 one scroll and +0 08:07 mean 08:09 yay, +5 leather armor in a shop 08:09 also +1 leather gloves 08:10 and I read blessed EA at my cursed +0 speed boots and now they're blessed +3 08:10 you have more AC than I at this point :D 08:10 -5 08:11 at XP 5 08:11 I'm still a vampire lord and I actually forgot what my stats were 08:12 but I have +2 gloves and +2 speed boots, +0 cloak and dwarvish iron helm 08:12 pitiful for castle really 08:12 wonder if I should wish for GoP and HoB 08:18 two dwarves are digging out this level, soon the only walls standing will be those of the armor shop 08:22 eep, that's my own orctown bones 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:6748 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Hea Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:6912 08:46 stenno \o/ 08:46 congrats on NodeHack release 08:46 its not a release lol 08:46 it's the first push to the repository 08:46 woooo! release party! 08:47 it's really not a release 08:47 * stenno makes hand movement 08:48 hah 08:48 your jedi mind tricks wont.... 08:48 oh. its not a release 08:48 i also found a bug in github regarding markdown formatting 08:59 i need to create Pork'Em 09:14 You hit the rabid rat. It explodes! You seem unaffected by it. 09:14 new monster disease, Exploding Rabies 09:15 fuck yeah got the formatting to work 09:16 however all this markdown formatting will forever be in the commit history 09:16 commit history of shame 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3464 09:26 <{Demo}5> I want a stattrak pet 09:26 <{Demo}5> that keeps a kill count 09:26 {Demo}5: check out my stuff 09:27 guess i should add pickup_types 09:27 to the .nethacrc 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:4074 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by writing a scroll, on T:4364 09:33 -!- j has joined #hardfought 09:33 -!- j is now known as rebatela 09:34 <{Demo}5> whoa 09:36 <{Demo}5> man i had a dream about promises last night 09:42 it can't do much yet 09:43 well technically it can do everything, it's just not as convenient as i want it to be (not by far) 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 pair of speed boots", on T:5912 09:45 I was highlighted 09:46 aosdict: what are you looking at? @ NetHack releases 09:46 well, were 09:49 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed greased fixed scrolls of genocide", on T:63688 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63718 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:63739 10:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Set, on T:2978 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8180 10:20 eek gremlin infestation on medusa 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Set, on T:3383 10:21 not a single aligned priest in the whole dungeon (I had bones orctown) 10:21 I'll have to keep this huge stash of money for the priest of moloch in the valley 10:22 ooh I charmed the medusa titan 10:22 (he was trying to kill me) 10:22 I won't take *him* to see the priest of moloch in the valley 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:8989 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 4165 points, T:3916, killed by a soldier ant 10:28 hmm what should i implement next 10:29 one thing would be character creation 10:29 another thing could be menu parsing or statusline parsing 10:31 not too keen on any of those :v 10:31 can't it just be done 10:37 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 10:42 arch lich on DL9 yikes 10:42 -!- greqrg is now known as toneLive 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] grumlin (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:56, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 10:48 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 600 points, T:861, killed by a gnome 11:09 FIQ: Working on the nethack variant history graph. If you can identify any places where FIQHack drew inspiration from other variants, they would be good to add. 11:10 Currently, FIQHack gets rather shafted on the graph by not really having any releases (so it looks like it was released in 2015 and then stopped development), and only having nethack4 as an ancestor. 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Hea Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13470 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 322 points, T:1191, killed by a giant bat 11:34 YASI: The corpses of priest monsters are blessed. 11:48 where in the source can i find the tile id mappings? 11:52 oh i found it i think 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 3043 points, T:4593, killed by a dwarf 11:56 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] grumlin (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6207 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] grumlin (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 6465 points, T:6207, killed by a tiger, while praying 12:08 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 12:09 -!- LovelyKittenz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1187 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:11348 12:35 the contractors for the teleport closets and the corridors in this dungeon clearly didn't check with each other 12:38 tsk tsk,what is this, amateur hour? 12:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12732 12:55 speaking of which, I need to go back to that potion shop and check the two potions my pet couldn't be induced to steal 12:59 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:17 It is not so easy to open this tin. KABOOM!! The tin was booby-trapped! 13:17 does this happen in vanilla? 13:20 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 198 points, T:474, killed by a falling rock 13:22 hothraxxa: yes 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:16283 13:25 thanks raisse. never happened to me before 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:488 13:34 hm, my pet titan was attacking me 13:34 I put some food rations on the floor but he wouldn't eat them 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 602 points, T:973, killed by a giant ant 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 130 points, T:230, killed by a fox 13:45 good morning! 13:48 raisse: your bones i found seriously boosted this start to my game! But i almost died to your pet Baluchitherium LOL 13:48 op' 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 268 points, T:618, killed by a gas spore's explosion 13:48 raisse: your bones i found seriously boosted this start to my game! But i almost died to your pet Baluchitherium LOL 13:48 '] 13:48 ']/. 13:49 sorry spilled drink 13:53 <{Demo}5> :( 13:53 <{Demo}5> is ur keyboard ok? 13:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:19752 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:20270 14:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:06 i hope so ! 14:06 if my headache goes away I'm going to (attempt to) ascend my xnh ranger. I can stream it on twitch if anyone is interested. 14:08 The boulder falls apart. Splat! 14:08 must have been an egg under it 14:09 Henry (my titan) is okay again, perhaps something exploded in his face that confused him 14:11 titans make awesome pets 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:20770 14:17 rebatela: yes :-) 14:17 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Con Orc Fem Cha), 179 points, T:351, killed by a jackal 14:17 charmed him when he tried to kill me on the medusa level 14:17 i have one on medusa level i'm going to charm 14:17 haha 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1773 points, T:1471, killed by a rothe 14:18 that's the best feeling when you're about to die but the spell works and suddenly the titan/archon is your pet 14:19 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 14:22 (scrollback) had an exploding tin for first time the other day. It must be pretty rare 14:23 in a health food store too! 14:23 kinda though that was bs 14:23 thought* 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:9670 14:25 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Con Orc Fem Cha), 30 points, T:124, killed by a jackal, while dressing up 14:27 would a titan be able to take on croesus? because I'm pretty sure I can't (yet) 14:27 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:27 unless I can put him to sleep 14:28 I think i have killed Croesus with a titan before 14:30 there's one disadvantage to having a titan pet 14:30 it's hard to gain levels oneself 14:30 I'm at 28K turns and still level 12 14:31 Henry is level 24 14:31 i just leveled to 13 naturally for first time in a long long time if ever. but now i'm in valley so can eye out with some wraiths anyway 14:31 there's a wraith in croesus' treasury 14:31 i keep forgetting i need to do quest 14:31 and I think I have a potion of gain level somewhere 14:31 when you're a wizard that's hard to forget :-) 14:32 haha. yeah i always plays monks but my first wish is always the wizard's eye. monk's eye gift is badass too though 14:32 Status of Croesus (lawful): Level 20 HP 90(90) AC 0, can't move. 14:32 yay he's not sleep resistant 14:33 he hits hard though that 's the thing 14:33 there ya go 14:33 he wasn't about to hit me in his sleep, and a troll with a crossbow was helping from the other side 14:33 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 14:33 sleep and charm are the best spells in the game 14:36 https://www.twitch.tv/bucket_of_truth/. Prepping now, will start at 13:30 PST for reals. 14:38 aosdict: nethack variant history graph? 14:38 yay! level 13 when I killed a troll and level 14 with the wraith corpse 14:39 fh drew inspiration from these variants ordered from "most to least inspiration": nethack4 (obviously), grunthack and dynahack 14:40 forked from nethack4, ideas and goals (but not code so much) ported from grunt, additional UI enhancements from dyna 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:5308 15:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:10 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:11 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:23631 15:17 FIQ: thanks 15:17 for drafts of the graph look for me posting imgur links in yesterday's backscroll 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:24983 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25047 15:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:32 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 15:41 15 HP from a nurse in ludios 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:5407 15:53 medusa killed herself, if she'd had a blindfold she'd have survived 16:00 eeeeek 16:00 didn't realise I was hungry 16:00 comes from all that ^T-ing around 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:27601 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:28143 16:20 starting my twitch stream in case y'all are interested. This is a first for me so please, flame away :) 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:29223 16:23 raisse: i died just like that the other day :( i was killing it too. But sun was in my eyes IRL and i didn't see i was fainint g 16:23 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 16:25 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 16:37 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 6325 points, T:6469, overpowered by a yeti 16:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tsadok] by ChanServ 16:38 -!- tsadok is now known as jonadab 16:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:26, on T:37864 16:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:29974 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:31810 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31197 16:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:38, on T:67099 16:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:67101 16:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:67119 16:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:26, on T:38096 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:31463 16:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:67366 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31589 16:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:67601 16:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:67603 16:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:23, on T:38284 16:59 no candles in vlad's? I feel like this has happened to me once before 17:07 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:2324 17:14 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:32706 17:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:69458 17:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the End Game, on T:69460 17:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:69913 17:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:69939 17:26 congrats!!! 17:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 2624017 points, T:69945, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/xnethack/dumplog/1550461494.xnh.txt 17:27 I was streaming it, but it was too easy. 17:27 don't think I'm going to win an oscar for this performance. 17:34 birthday party for the 7 yr old - success 17:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law), 37930 points, T:12886, killed by a leocrotta 17:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:43 I love it when they say "I just want to have a friend over and watch a movie". That's the easiest bday party ever. 17:46 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Con Orc Fem Cha), 2424 points, T:3682, killed by a bolt of fire 17:54 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 498 points, T:518, killed by a dwarf 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 6708 points, T:9839, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:10 derp 18:16 floating eye? 18:16 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 18:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:19 nothing else paralyzes you with its gaze 18:24 yeah i realizd that after i posted 18:25 what's an archon do? stun? 18:25 or blind ? 18:26 Blind and stun IIRC 18:26 Top tip, don't unblind yourself, then it won't just do it again. :-) 18:27 yeah i think the eyes of overworld help block that attack too 18:28 (i always play monks) 18:28 I nearly lost my first ascension in Air, and the Archon blinds you -> apply unihorn -> Archon blinds you cycle was part of it 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:63953 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:63968 18:38 Yep, and that's when you see them (as they don't generate in gehenom ) 18:39 I had never before done the Quest nor passed the Castle, and had yet to learn the lesson that there comes a point where your aim is not to kill every monster you see. Fortunately, I figured it out on Air before the summoning storm got totally out of control. 18:40 haha 18:40 yeah the air elementals are tough too. Man, I just try to run and avoid EVERYTHING 18:41 my Air strategy is rings of conflict/levitation, confused gold detect to find the altar, start running. 18:41 Ah, this was 3.1.3, before air elementals were such terrors. 18:41 bouquet: exactly 18:42 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:42 although you probably meant portal not altar 18:42 and if I have cursed genocide and blessed taming I always Purple Rain on Astral. Makes for a quick jaunt through the planes. 18:42 ya, portal, whevs 18:45 oh wow. just learned you can dig down on a bear trap with pick axe 18:45 TIL! 18:46 also, since when does angelic race only eat decayed corpses? 18:47 !who 18:47 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] arnibald [dnh] davidkent [nh362] Tmasher [nh362] rebatela [nh362] hothraxxa [spl] bouquet [spl] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 18:47 ask antigulp 18:48 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 18:50 -!- captain42 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:36869 18:55 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:59 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 19:00 no gain level potions in 38000 turns! i guess i saw a monster drink one though 19:02 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 19:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2443 19:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:2445 19:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale shield", on T:2446 19:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:2458 19:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) wished for "tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:2580 19:14 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pri Ang Fem Law), 3218 points, T:4391, overpowered by a Korrupt Kop 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 16 points, T:26, killed by a little dart 19:29 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1211 points, T:2754, killed by a coyote 19:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased wand of death", on T:39132 19:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:39404 19:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 grayswandir", on T:2813 19:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Nob Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:2897 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:40104 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:40107 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:40122 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:40225 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:40227 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed tooled horn", on T:64392 19:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:41268 20:07 -!- j has joined #hardfought 20:07 -!- j is now known as Guest86835 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1842 points, T:2747, killed by a giant spider 20:43 !tell AntiGulp is there some explanation for none of my characters being able to eat a corpse? "This corpse is too fresh!" - couldn't find it in the wiki. 20:43 Will do, bouquet! 20:43 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 258 points, T:895, offed by a fox, while fainted from lack of food 21:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65589 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:65594 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:65831 21:18 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:20 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 21:23 yet another win on zapm 21:25 nethack and booze do not mix for me. TWICE in this game I have cast stone to flesh on myself and turned most of my rings into meat... 21:26 -!- Guest86835 is now known as rebatela 21:26 i can get doing in once. But now i am blowing my final wishes on rings because i have the amulet 21:27 i wonder 21:27 does wishing for death killy ou 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:41413 21:28 well, you'd get a wand of death, and that can kill you. 21:28 hmm 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:41480 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:41629 21:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 4162 points, T:3349, killed by a panther 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:41825 21:39 rebatela: times like this I wish wand was a trainable skill. Higher skill, higher likelihood to hit your target. 21:41 oh it was just me being sloppy 21:41 pestilence or death? which will kill me ? lol 21:41 i shouldn't be playing 21:41 are you drunk rn 21:41 you have plenty of /oDeath. I'd go zap pesty in the face 21:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:41898 21:43 chose wrong ugh 21:43 you mean #fuck 21:43 just watch out for pestilence on your back when you go to take on death. He snuck up behind me a couple attempts ago and I astral splatted. 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:41954 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1775500 points, T:41969, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/nh361/dumplog/1550930203.nh361.txt 21:44 gratz 21:45 winny: not drunk but i wouldn't drive a car 21:45 tx 21:45 grats 21:46 so... why do people play monk if they're not attempting weaponless conduct? Honest curiosity. 21:46 i play weaponless but accidentally hit with pickaxe 21:46 realistically that was weaponless 21:46 and usally i don't wear armor 21:47 BUT to answer your question- I play monk because they get basic in every skill school 21:47 spell * 21:47 ya, I've gone down to the bottom of the mines and dropped my entire inventory and let a gnome stab me to death when that happened last time. 21:47 so it's like a wizard who can fight. the early game is the total opposite of wizard. martial arts can take on all the early monsters 21:47 picked up the bones on the next run and managed to make it all the way with weaponless. 21:48 I pleaded with aosdict to include a "hit with wielded weapon [yes/no]" in xNethack and that's the only way I was able to do it. 21:48 yeah, but that's what makes the conduct tough 21:48 it's SO hard to not hit with a pickaxe in gehennom if you are digging. you really have to put it away or just not carry one 21:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:49 IMO that's a bad game mechanics masquerading as a conduct. 21:49 I've done it and gotten the conduct and i still play weaponless but now I just enchant my pickaxe to +6/7 and dig dig dig 21:49 lag or accidental whacking is a dumb reason for total loss of conduct. 21:50 i guess. but i'm just saying in reality the way the game is, it's hard to do 21:50 but that's, like, my opinion, man. 21:50 and not for the reasons someone would think 21:50 no, you're totally right 21:51 now I want to play a monk again. 21:51 they are the best... 21:51 polymorph at 0% fail etc 21:53 i think people get intimidated because they don't realize you can eat corpses... 21:53 And all that starting food is awesome for training pets (apples/oranges for horses, and fortune cookies for dogs/cats) 21:53 I tried for veggie conduct but I accidentally ate something meaty last time. 21:53 tru 21:54 i didn't realize for the longest time what that food was good for. I bet a lot of people don't realize fortune cookies train dogs. i hoard those things 21:55 i'm terrible with early pets though. i watch other people play and envy their patience 21:55 I'd love a little debug windows that shows my current alignment value so I could see how much it changes eating corpses. 21:55 accidental pickaxe loss of conduct is very true to the way vanilla tends to handle interface screw, which is "discipline yourself and git gud scrub" 21:56 I still think that's a bad game mechanic. Taken that way it's just an excuse for lazy programming. 21:56 the thing i don't understand 21:57 if you hit with a pickaxe (a tool) it counds as a wielded weapon, but if you hit with a magic lamp (tool) it doesn't? 21:57 also rubber chicken is the best weapon in the game and that doesn't count... 21:58 not like i'd ever want to hit with a lamp but sometimes i forget after a wish 21:58 I've wondered the same thing 22:05 Hah 22:06 lamps are not weapon-tools 22:08 so there is such a thing as a weapon-tool? 22:08 the game explicitly defines them 22:08 there are only three: pick-axe, grappling hook, unicorn horn 22:09 yeah, but that's just in the source code right? I mean, how would a player know that? 22:09 I think unihorns USED to be weapons in prior versions 22:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Kni Hum Mal Law), 26 points, T:8, killed by a water moccasin 22:09 so you couldn't polypile for markers 22:09 xnethack will tell you it's a weapon-tool via object lookup, technically 22:10 I think the definition of weapon-tool is pretty intuitive (with the possible exception of unicorn horns, which players might not realize can be wielded as weapons) 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 34 points, T:38, killed by a jackal, while sleeping 22:12 2 handed weapon 22:13 which can end up screwing u 22:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:23 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:24 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:3090 22:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:3582 22:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3452 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4217 22:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:58 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Sam Hum Mal Law), 32045 points, T:16612, inhumed by a warg, while sleeping 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:6590 23:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1540 points, T:3694, killed by a fire vortex 23:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:8090 23:20 what's slicehack 23:28 bug_sniper: late 2018, someone forked splicehack and added a bunch of features, fixed a bunch of bugs, and told no one. It was only discovered here a few weeks ago. 23:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9336 23:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6417 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:66103 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:66109 23:35 I'm streaming my monk in case anyone is so bored they'd watch someone else play nethack 23:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:44 oh, I see' 23:54 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 48747 points, T:12148, killed by an energy vortex 23:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 23:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:68253