00:12 -!- Xaleth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 00:18 !tell AntiGulp I found a related bug, wrote a bug report, and then decided to do it myself, fix is here: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/177/commits/c60ee7590efa08451b2ed72cfcf48dc8dde50dfd 00:18 I'm on it, aosdict. 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 704 points, T:2990, killed by a giant bat 00:36 -!- LovelyKittenz has quit [Quit: LovelyKittenz] 00:38 -!- Dromo has joined #hardfought 00:39 -!- Dromo has left #hardfought 00:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:52 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] phyphor (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a purple worm, on T:12765 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 153 points, T:1296, died of starvation, while fainted 01:12 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 448 points, T:1358, killed by a giant bat 01:17 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:17 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:38 i think i'll make a bigger version of the pseudodragon. would kind of suck to have a starting pet that cant grow up 01:38 it wont be anything crazy over the top like turning into a full fledged dragon 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3563 02:12 aosdict - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/a35c0cb282daf46c9338e66a0302ad3d00d38c49 02:30 night K2! 02:30 er 02:52 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:55 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 03:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:6464 03:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6809 03:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:06 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:32 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:37 time to find the one line that strips the last character off my message window 04:42 also it is full moon so i have to do another input lol 05:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:12886 05:47 -!- j has joined #hardfought 05:47 -!- j is now known as rebatela 05:52 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:16566 07:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:18429 07:07 -!- aoie has joined #hardfought 07:40 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 07:42 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:45 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:56 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:10 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:14 im doing so badly at this game lol 08:14 if you don't want everybody to see your shame there's !setmintc 08:14 xD 08:15 (that's what I do, I think my current mintc is 3000) 08:15 its alright. funny thing is I'm insisting on playing vegan illit atheist, but so far I've only died once as a direct result of this choice 08:15 the rest are just... regular dumb splats 08:40 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3075 08:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3152 08:59 K2: the way I'd do psuedodragons is make them not generate randomly (same as you), but not grow up, and instead give them some sort of telepathic/psychic ability that scales directly with their level. I guess this is a YANI. 09:08 Nearly my entire inventory is cursed :/ 09:15 Xaleth: blessed scroll of remove curse 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 7640 points, T:6970, killed by a soldier ant 09:17 Yeah, my only scroll of remove curse is cursed 09:18 got any stashed holy water then? 09:19 Nope. No water found so far 09:20 I can try diluting a blessed potion tho 09:20 it's pretty easy to make water 09:20 Yeah, and that's what I'm doing rn 09:20 diluting anything turns into uncursed water, but you can water prayer it into holy water 09:21 Oof, you told me that too late. 09:21 I don't have any co-aligned altar anywhere to turn it into holy water 09:21 do you have any altars anywhere that aren't in temples? 09:22 Nope 09:22 how much of the dungeon have you explored 09:22 it's pretty bad luck if you have explored the entire dungeons of doom 09:23 Levels 1-6 and mines 4-7 09:23 well then I guess just keep exploring till you can find or make some holy water 09:24 there *is* also a prayer boon that uncurses your entire inventory, which you don't necessarily need an altar to get, but like all boons it's hard to get intentionally 09:24 There's also blessed scrolls of remove curse. 09:25 Andrio: Yeah, my only scroll of remove curse is cursed 09:25 ah 09:26 YANI: The cursed scroll of remove curse removes the curse from *one* other item, at random. 09:26 Rather than doing nothing whatsoever. 09:27 YASI: it uncurses itself. And then disappears. 09:27 that's what it currently does 09:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:30375 09:34 Am level 8 right now and only have a cursed -1 dwarvish iron helm, iron shoes, and a wooden shield 09:34 AC: 3 09:34 Not good for lvl 8 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 12714 points, T:7011, killed by a warhorse 09:43 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 09:43 Oh well. 09:43 Stupid nymph stole my +3 excalibur along with most of my armor 09:43 I was already screwed 09:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:30824 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:1809 10:05 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3459 10:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:23 fml 10:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:51 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 11:31 killer bees really go from dangerous to trivial abruptly 11:36 [hdf-us] [fh] STANE (catthedd) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) received Cleaver from Crom, on T:7421 11:37 makes me want to make a better killer bee 11:39 <{Demo}5> does anyone know how protection spell is supposed to work? 11:40 it improves your AC? 11:40 <{Demo}5> why is it capping out though with only an additional -2 ac 11:41 <{Demo}5> ah oh well fuck balance im just throwing this in and it can figure itself out 11:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:44 [hdf-us] [fh] STANE (catthedd) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the ghost of Val, the former Skirmisher, on T:8227 11:45 [hdf-us] [fh] STANE (catthedd) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the ghost of Qi, the former Sightseer, on T:8242 11:45 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:20706 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:20754 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:20755 11:49 whats the best variant 11:50 like, objectively 11:50 <@luxidream> vanilla 11:50 <@luxidream> it has everything in every variant 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 337 points, T:1202, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse, while sleeping 11:52 k, but besides vanilla? 11:52 like i know asking for one objectively the best is a ridiculous question, but your best shot 11:54 aoie: slex :D 11:55 aoie, probably slash'em 11:55 booo, UnNetHack fails already because there's no option for hjklzubn movement (numpad -1 in vanilla) 11:55 (german keyboards... don't ask) 11:56 someone was expounding the values of either xNethack or dNethack the other day 11:58 aoie: du Sauerkrautkopf, du solltest mal die Option qwertz_layout anschauen 11:58 ach so 11:58 Entschuldigung. Ich bin ja so doof... 11:59 :-) 11:59 nein! schnell! 11:59 Auf Deutsch spreche kein ich, aber ich lerne :D 12:00 mit qwertz kann man doch nicht spielen, nur Numpad geht :P 12:00 aber ich bin kein Deutscher 12:00 nein and schnell is all the german i know 12:00 egal, Sauerkraut is best kraut 12:00 K2: Achtung! Kindergarten! Rucksack! 12:00 Xaleth, du sprichst doch ein bisschen Deutsch 12:00 ein echter Deutscher ißt Döner :P 12:01 hahaha 12:01 oh and 'german shepherd' 12:01 aoie: das stimmt :/ 12:01 LarienTelrunya: schliesst sich ja nicht auch :-p 12:01 *aus 12:02 aber ich habe leider mein UnNetHackspiel schon aufgehört 12:02 ich mache mal ein neues 12:02 aoie: spiel doch mal SLEX *büschelbüschelbüschel* ♥ 12:03 Ich spiele doch NetHack, es tut mir leid. Ich aber spiele kein UnNetHack 12:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:05 ey aoie 12:05 moin, mein Jung 12:05 min jong 12:06 wie gei dee dat 12:06 Anyways, enough German for me lol. In Deutsch bin ich sehr dumm. 12:06 ich sehe, du lernst schon so zu sprechen wie ein echter Hambuger :D 12:06 xD 12:06 es geht mir sehr gut 12:06 muss man erstmal machen 12:06 und dir auch? 12:06 ja, es geht ganz gut 12:06 ok, cool 12:06 bin immer noch in Hamburg 12:07 ich habe ueberlegt ob ich einfach am wochenende nach Hamburg fahren soll, als Mini-Urlaub 12:07 muss dies Doktorscheisse noch schreiben 12:07 aah 12:07 schreibst du grade deine Doktorarbeit? 12:08 Ich wohne in Texas. Wolle ich reise zu Deutschland? 12:08 ich habe noch nicht richtig angefangen das zu schreiben 12:08 Ich wohne in Texas. Wolle reise ich zu Deutschland? there, FTFM 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:22474 12:09 hab vorletzte Woche ein Paper abgeschickt, und ich habe meinen Arbeitsvertrag bis ende September 12:09 also musst du bis dahin fertig sein? 12:09 ja genau 12:09 ok 12:09 gogogo! 12:10 Xaleth: that doesn't make much sense lol 12:10 I'm trying to say something along the lines of I live in Texas, should I go to Germany? 12:11 sollte ich nach Deutschland reisen 12:11 Ich lerne Deutsch. 12:11 smth like that 12:11 Ah 12:11 aber stenno ist richtig deustcher, hör zu ihn 12:12 hör ihm zu 12:12 ok 12:12 Ich bin in 9ter Klasse, Entschuldigung. 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3991 12:13 ich habe gar keine Ahnung, was das bedeutet, aber viel Glück mit dein Deutsch 12:15 Danke schoen :) 12:15 Xaleth: das klingt schon gut! 12:17 Xaleth: es ist gut, dass du Deutsch lernst 12:17 es ist aber ein bisschen schwer 12:18 Nein, Deutsch ist sehr einfach. 12:18 ich denke nicht 12:18 Danke stenno! 12:18 es ist ein schreckliche komplizierte Sprache 12:18 Deutsch hat sehr viele Regeln und Ausnahmen 12:19 Abgesehen von Englisch? Nein 12:19 Englisch ist die einfachste Sprache 12:19 stenno: I don't understand half of your phrase XD 12:19 und ich mag der Kasus nicht 12:19 stenno: warum? 12:20 "german has many rules and exceptions" 12:20 ich mag auch nicht die geschlechtsspezifische Nomen 12:20 Englisch ist eine sehr komplizierte Sprache 12:20 ah 12:20 you have no genders, and no cases 12:20 indeed 12:20 all things are 'the' 12:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:23 Samuel Clemens schriebe eine Aufsaetze "The Awful German Language" und sie ist teilweise wahr. 12:23 *Aufsatz 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 79912 points, T:20938, killed by a minotaur 12:24 Ich mag das Buch, "Die Schreckliche Deutsche Sprache" von Mark Twain 12:24 Grossartig 12:24 lol 12:25 Ich werde jetzt noch ein bisschen mein Node.js-Programm schreiben 12:25 Mein Deutsch ist genug gut nicht nach liest ein Buch. 12:26 stenno, dann viel Spass 12:26 danke, und dir viel Spass und Erfolg bei deiner Doktorarbeit 12:26 ich bin sicher, dass sie gut wird 12:26 Das ist prima 12:27 Xaleth, zum Glück ist das Buch auf einer Seite auf Deutsch und die andere Seite auf Englisch 12:28 Das stimmt. 12:28 we also have oddly specific words, as this sign shows: 12:28 https://i.redd.it/pvdk5bn1grp01.jpg 12:29 XD 12:29 wow 12:29 Compound nouns can get really cumbersome quickly 12:29 eh 12:29 sure. but no compound noun there 12:29 The longest word I know is "Kraftfahrenzeugmechatroniker" 12:30 ich bin ein Softwareentwickler 12:30 It's nice to get used to it 12:30 lol 12:31 i know flip-flop as in the electronic element is called 'Bistabiles Kippglied' 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh4] Semilg (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1382 points, T:5, quit 12:33 XD 12:34 german also has some weird sayings 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "3 blessed scroll of charging", on T:22746 12:34 like 'was ist dir denn, für eine Laus über die Leber gelaufen?' - though I'm not sure anyone really says this 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:22747 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3834 12:37 Wo findst du diese Redensart aoie? 12:37 aoie: probably not any more that much 12:38 its an old-fashioned saying 12:38 oh 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:23163 12:38 my friends taught me to say it to our coworker when he's grumpy, but yeah, I knew it's not a very modern saying, let's say 12:39 But I'm confused as to why they include running across a liver into this saying. 12:39 cootie running across it 12:39 it means something along the lines of, 'who pissed in your cereal' 12:39 not literally but in sentiment 12:40 Makes sense 12:40 Thank you for showing me the weirdest saying that I definitely don't want to say in German XD 12:41 you can say it if your colleague is grumpy and you have a fairly close group ':D 12:41 I've got three more years of school to take German so mein Deutsch woellt bessern 12:41 sehr gut! 12:42 mach das doch 12:42 Danke! 12:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:31434 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2459 points, T:4192, killed by a crocodile 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2057 points, T:3535, killed by a kitten 12:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:06 aoie: it was xnethack that hothraxxa was talking about I think 13:10 ah 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:8929 13:13 great. rolled a healer and my pet got killed by a newt on level 1 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 10361 points, T:9301, killed by a yellow dragon 13:17 The funniest death I got was from kicking a sink. 13:17 This game takes you places lol 13:23 [hdf-us] [fh] STANE (catthedd) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 56246 points, T:9434, killed by brainlessness, while sleeping 13:26 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 13:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:28 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 13:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 13:28 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1653 points, T:865, killed by a kobold zombie 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:5, killed by a water moccasin 13:32 -!- AntiGulp has left #hardfought 13:32 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 13:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 13:38 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: As I pray: Unlimited... +6 Silver Saber... Works.] 13:50 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1086 points, T:877, died of starvation, while fainted from lack of food 13:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of protection", on T:32356 13:59 xNetHack updated (all servers) 14:05 Changelog? 14:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:32502 14:06 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 405 points, T:357, killed by a boulder 14:09 https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack/commits/master 14:11 https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack/blob/master/doc/xnh-changelog-0.5.0.txt 14:11 its not 0.5.0 though 14:14 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:15 it's the changelog for the in-development version of 0.5.0 14:17 when I release 0.5.0, the changelog that describes all the changes since 0.4.1 will be "0.5.0.txt" 14:20 thats confusing as fuck 14:21 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:9770 14:23 * stenno watched japanese game shows instead of programming 14:25 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 14:27 stenno do you understand japanese? 14:28 just a few words 14:28 but i watched with subtitles 14:28 ;) 14:30 holy shit... i was about to edit a file for evilhack and was expecting to see some code i had already put in a section, it wasnt there 14:30 i'm like WTF 14:30 wrong branch? 14:30 wrong variant 14:30 still in xnethack folder hahaha 14:30 oh heh 14:33 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 4368 points, T:1599, killed by vicarious suffering 14:34 -!- Xaleth has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:37 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:03 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Cav Hum Mal Cha), 1446 points, T:748, killed by an acid blob 15:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 436 points, T:1436, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted kobold lord 15:18 -!- LovelyKittenz has joined #hardfought 15:19 -!- LovelyKittenz has quit [Client Quit] 15:20 -!- LovelyKittenz has joined #hardfought 15:21 -!- LovelyKittenz has quit [Client Quit] 15:22 -!- LovelyKittenz has joined #hardfought 15:22 -!- LovelyKittenz has quit [Client Quit] 15:22 -!- LovelyKittenz has joined #hardfought 15:23 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Tou Scu Mal Neu), 2634 points, T:816, killed by a dwarf lord 15:33 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 15:33 Beholder: messages? 15:34 apparently not 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 124 points, T:370, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse 15:36 -!- Lymia has quit [Quit: Hugs~ <3] 15:38 -!- callforjudgement has joined #hardfought 15:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v callforjudgement] by ChanServ 15:38 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:38 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] LovelyKittenz (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 126 points, T:669, killed by a boulder 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 6168 points, T:3640, killed by an owlbear 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 26240 points, T:12370, killed by a death ray 15:54 -!- Lymia has joined #hardfought 15:57 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Sam Hum Fem Law), 6894 points, T:1669, killed by a killer bee 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2507 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3140 16:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:12 -!- aoie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:25 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 16:28 [hdf-us] [fh] Stane (catthedd) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 7061 points, T:189, killed by a killer bee 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:25286 16:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:08 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Ran Gia Fem Cha), 10875 points, T:9696, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jitterbug 17:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:33 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3117 17:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6155 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 5927 points, T:5344, killed by a Mordor orc, while sleeping 17:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 9355 points, T:6263, killed by an owlbear 17:53 [hdf-us] [4k] Semilg (Arc Scu Fem Neu), 3087 points, T:1237, killed by a large mimic 18:02 [hdf-us] [4k] Semolg (Semilg) (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 5667 points, T:1779, killed by a gnome lord 18:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:08 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 18:09 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:23 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 18:24 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:27464 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27584 18:30 -!- beetcoin_ is now known as beetcoin 18:34 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 18:35 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 18:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43 [hdf-us] [fh] Stane (catthedd) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) received Cleaver from Crom, on T:6969 18:45 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 18:46 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:29313 18:55 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 18:56 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 19:01 -!- realinari has quit [Client Quit] 19:04 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 19:25 weaponless until gehennom that's good enough... 19:26 the thing is the real challenge is not even combat it's not hitting monster with pickaxe by accident. Tedious and i dig a lot 19:26 I normally use wands rather than a pickaxe in Gehennom; this is probably a bad idea but it hasn't backfired often enough yet for me to stop 19:33 rebatela: play xnethack if you want anti-weaponless-breaking guards :) 19:35 ais523: That's viable if you limit your digging to a reasonable level. 19:35 Doesn't work for me, because I'm completely unreasonable about my digging. If it's more than about ten tiles to go around, I dig a path. 19:36 Although, that's in vanilla. 19:36 With the aiscav Gehennom generator, that all changes :-) 19:36 jonadab: ten? I think I dig straigher than that 19:36 (again, assuming 3.4.3-style mazes) 19:36 however I treat it a bit more like a logic puzzle, trying to work out what tiles I need to dig to save as many charges as possible 19:36 I do run out occasionally, though 19:37 (you also have to take into account the fact that diagonal moves go faster) 19:37 There are quite a few wands of digging in Gehennom, if you kill all the minotaurs. 19:37 yes 19:38 Of course, if you play Tourist, then you're good to go. 19:41 PYEC the wands? 19:41 If necessary. 19:42 whats with the gold and silver lanterns in xnh 19:42 Object materials. 19:43 so not gold = magic lamp 19:43 Wouldn't count on it. 19:44 yeah lanterns are just scratching the surface 19:44 gold lamp != magic lamp. Oil and magic lamps can both be gold. 19:44 k 19:44 I assume gold items are more valuable? 19:45 corrosion resistant? 19:45 Corrosion is unimportant for lamps. 19:45 duh. there are other gold items though 19:45 gold weapons etc. 19:45 True. 19:45 And yes, gold would not corrode. 19:45 But mithril would be better for weapons, I'd think. 19:45 Lighter weight, for one thing. 19:49 Mithril is erodeproof and light and expensive yes 19:50 But the drawback is it has no particular special properties 19:50 Do harder metals make better weapons than softer ones? 19:52 in NetHack or real life? 19:52 you'd think hard metals would be required for slashing and piercing weapons, but for bludgeoning it might not matter 19:52 In NetHack variants with object materials, e.g., xnethack. 19:52 Oh, true, shouldn't matter for blunt weapons. 19:52 Actually, weight should be a positive for those. 19:53 So e.g. a gold mace should actually be good. 19:53 (As maces go.) 19:53 I didn't apply any consistent metallurgical principles to my object materials. 19:53 aosdict, is gold corrosion resistant 19:53 Gold and platinum blunt weapons do get damage bonuses. 19:53 aoei: yes, it can't corrode (silver can though) 19:53 aoei: Almost all materials are corrosion resistant in NetHack. 19:53 Metals that corrode are iron, copper. 19:53 (Copper includes bronzes.) 19:54 (And iron includes steel, similarly.) 19:54 Silver, for example, does not corrode at all. 19:54 NHINRL. 19:56 tarnishing is a bit different from corroding 19:56 that said, things rust almost instantly in NetHack compared to real life 19:56 you can wash iron in real life without it immediately disintegrating 19:56 Yes, and water makes them rust, but fire doesn't. 19:57 It's basically cartoon chemistry. 20:04 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:10 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:20 ais523: I figured that silver tarnish/corrosion happens with exposure to strong acid, but all of nethack's acid sources seem to be strong acid 20:31 aosdict: tarnishing specifically requires the presence of sulphur 20:31 silver tarnishes in air faster than copper. 20:32 And looks worse. 20:32 (When tarnished.) 20:32 Though I think it might be easier to polish back up. 20:32 ais523: no reason why green molds and acid blobs can't be made of sulphuric acid. 20:33 EPI: all acid in the game is fluoroantimonic acid. 20:33 That sounds scary. 20:33 The fluoro- prefix particularly. 20:33 what's special about that acid? 20:33 Dunno much about antimony, but flouro- acids are often nasty. 20:33 indeded 20:33 *indeed 20:34 ais523: strongest known acid 20:34 although it's weird, e.g. teflon (polytetraflouroethene) is relatively safe as flouro-compounds go 20:34 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoroantimonic_acid 20:35 Oh, some fluoro compounds are totally safe. Mainly, ones where fluorine is well and truly bonded to something it won't let go of easily. 20:35 Fluorine isn't necessarily bad. I mean, municipalities put fluoride in their water supply for oral health. 20:35 ^ 20:35 fluoride is normally very safe, but then you come across things like hydrofluoric acid… 20:35 But _reactive_ fluorine compounds tend to be VERY reactive. 20:35 hydrofluoric acid is a component in fluoroantimonic :) 20:36 And yes, HF is high on the list of compounds you don't want to drink. 20:36 fluorine is like oxygen, but more so 20:36 pretty much everything on Earth has some amount of protection against the highly corrosive and reactive effects of oxygen 20:36 (because, well, the atmosphere is full of the stuff, so things with no protection burned long ago) 20:36 Or it's already reacted with oxygen. 20:36 right 20:37 but fluorine is rare in the atmosphere and so things here don't have the same protection against it 20:37 Also it's a stronger oxidizer. 20:37 ditto for the other halogens, really 20:37 So things that are already reacted with oxygen, will sometimes still react with fluorine. 20:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:37 you don't encounter elemental bromine or iodine or especially astatine on the regular 20:38 that said, some of the most dangerous acids aren't particularly strong 20:38 acid strength is a different axis from the acid's reactivity, after all 20:38 The most dangerous compounds I know about are mostly strong oxidizers. Dioxygen diflouoride, chlorine triflouride, etc. 20:39 Although things like tetra-azido methane can also make your day way too interesting. 20:39 I prefer to steer well clear of any of these sorts of things 20:39 Indeed. 20:39 even when I did Chemistry A-level at school, I preferred to avoid even marginally dangerous chemicals 20:40 and there was someone watching me specifically to intervene if I tried to do something dangerous in another way, e.g. when working with fire or boiling water 20:40 (I'm prone to occasionally making unwanted movements like dropping things I'm holding, that isn't ideal in a chemistry lab) 20:40 Ah. 20:41 Yes, that would make you a non-ideal candidate for synthesizing explosives. 20:41 "Here, hold this vial of nitroglycerine." 20:42 (Nitroglycerine is _stable_ compared to CN12.) 20:42 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:42 one carbon bonded to twelve nitrogens? how does that work? 20:42 Four azide groups on a carbon atom? Tetra-azido methane, aforementioned. 20:42 It's... difficult to synthesize. 20:43 And unsafe. 20:43 I can see how it would be 20:43 Has to be kept cold. 20:43 Real cold. 20:43 that seems like a really energetic state to put all the atoms in 20:43 Yes. 20:43 It explodes readily. 20:44 Derek Lowe did a writeup on it. 20:44 Under "Things I Won't Work With." 20:45 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:47 In principle, it seems like it ought to be theoretically possible, under ideal conditions, to synthesize a nitrogen allotrope with a ton of single bonds, analagous to what diamond is for carbon. But it would be basically the most unstable thing ever. 20:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:48