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the shopkeeper, while sleeping 05:28 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 05:29 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 05:35 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:44634 05:38 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 05:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:44664 05:39 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 05:39 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:41 I suppose that's an artifact bow 05:44 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:49 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 05:50 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 05:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 05:59 lol I bought a magic whistle in a hardware store and let the cat steal the rest of the inventory 05:59 (a bag of tricks, a magic marker and a stethoscope, it's a tiny shop) 06:00 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 06:00 sold a saddle I found, now at least the shop isn't empty 06:01 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 06:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46430 06:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46432 06:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:46447 06:07 -!- realinari has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 06:11 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 06:11 i don't like carrying those bags of tricks around when i have a BoH 06:12 me neither, just put a bag of tricks in a chest so I can pick it up when I find an altar 06:13 *the bag of tricks 06:13 because I found a BoH on level 1 06:13 had to test with a statue because I didn't have enough in my inventory yet to encumber me 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:46715 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:46718 06:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] grumlin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:18033 06:21 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 06:22 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 06:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:47712 06:31 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 06:32 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:47993 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] grumlin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 41080 points, T:19110, killed by a touch of death 06:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:48193 06:42 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 06:43 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 06:48 grrr yet another soko death 06:52 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 06:53 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:48567 06:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:48579 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:48643 07:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2184572 points, T:48666, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/nh361/dumplog/1550026198.nh361.txt 07:03 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 07:04 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 07:11 -!- realinari has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:15 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 07:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 11517 points, T:2671, killed by a tail spikes 07:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) murdered it, his faithful kitten, on T:249 07:17 ugh 07:24 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 07:25 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 07:26 "it"? 07:27 blind? I know that caused the "killed by a died" etc 07:27 also someone "killed by a tail spikes" but that's slex so it's probably an actual monster 07:27 or an unnamed kitten (no catname?)? 07:28 possibly 07:28 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 2184 points, T:869, killed by a monster (shadow) 07:28 er, only one of those two question marks, I'm not *that* curious 07:35 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 07:36 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 07:36 yeah i was blind. Cat was not named 'it' 07:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 641 points, T:1361, killed by an arrow 07:38 "faithful" is a stretch as well 07:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1492 points, T:4941, killed by a soldier ant 07:41 lol 07:45 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 07:46 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 07:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Val Dwa Fem Law), 483 points, T:1871, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse 07:52 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 07:55 morningmorningmorningmorning 07:56 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 07:57 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 08:01 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 10165 points, T:2716, killed by a monster (invisible priestess of Queen Beryl) 08:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:3739 08:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3875 08:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Val Dwa Fem Law), 735 points, T:2153, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 08:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:06 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4915 points, T:4277, killed by a xorn 08:07 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 08:13 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 932 points, T:969, killed by a monster (watch lieutenant) 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 703 points, T:1953, killed by a dwarf 08:17 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 141 points, T:240, killed by a monster (scarlet river hog) 08:17 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 08:18 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 08:28 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 08:29 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 08:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 4755 points, T:4458, killed by a rope golem 08:35 raisse: my original implementation of the "murdered x, faithful y" had a bug, the fix for which doesn't seem to have made it to 362-hdf 08:35 K2: ^ 08:35 ah 08:35 when was the fix? 08:36 two months ago? 08:36 hah 08:36 can you point me to the commit please? 08:36 I remember telling you about it 08:36 welp... i've slept since then 08:36 723e7d5 08:36 thanks 08:37 raisse: if the pet isn't named, it doesn't livelog anything, assuming you didn't really care about it that much 08:37 makes sense 08:38 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 08:38 no the fix was almost *six* months ago 08:39 Huh, What? Where am I? It bites! You are put to sleep! It bites! 08:39 ... typo for extra healing 08:39 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 08:40 and I displeased Thoth somewhow, probably just for praying too early 08:41 I think iI drank 'r' instead of 'R' 08:44 lol a mole chewed through the vault but ate only half the money 08:44 the rest is now mine 08:44 ah 08:45 i applied the fix to tnnt 08:45 but not 362-hdf it seems 08:49 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 08:50 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 08:50 applied patch and committed 08:51 it'll go live on patch sunday/monday 08:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4934 points, T:5900, killed by a plains centaur 08:57 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 16133 points, T:3169, killed by a monster (minotaur) 08:59 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 09:00 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 09:02 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 12048 points, T:1, escaped 09:10 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 09:11 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 09:20 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 09:21 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 09:24 [hdf-us] [4k] juus (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 0 points, T:194, killed by a water moccasin 09:31 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 09:32 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 9423 points, T:2347, killed by a monster (skulk blade) 09:32 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 09:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33 -!- taylskid has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 09:38 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 1235 points, T:685, killed by a monster (human mummy), while dreaming of lovely girls 09:38 that's an interesting death! 09:38 what's Mah? 09:39 and what's Wis? I know Fem and Cha 09:40 mahou shoujo role and wisp race :) 09:42 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 09:43 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 09:44 thanks 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Val Dwa Fem Law), 309 points, T:1227, killed by a bat 09:49 whew... that was a few hours of my life that I'll never get back 09:49 but worth the learning experience 09:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:50 commits a6e0803 and 14884d4 09:51 <{Demo}4> dont get too turbod on 09:52 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 09:53 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 09:54 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 6512 points, T:1705, killed by a monster (troll zombie) 09:54 <{Demo}4> why doesn't medusa's count as outdoors? 09:54 Well, it's under the Dungeons of Doom supposedly, so that'd be a bit weird. 09:54 well, under most of the Dungeons of Doom 09:55 Yeah, but maybe it's in a _really_ big cavern under there. 09:56 mm 09:56 A number of notable, influential early computer games described vast open spaces underground. ADVENT for instance had an underground area so large, you could see a volcano in the distance. 09:56 Zork continues in this tradition. 09:56 So it wouldn't surprise me if Hack/NetHack did something similar. 09:57 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 3690 points, T:1, escaped 09:58 However, it is my considered opinion that some, perhaps most, of the NetHack role quests are NOT intended to be viewed as underground at all. You go through a magic portal to your distant homeland, outside the dungeon altogether; and the fact that the levels are linked together by down stairs rather than additional portals is due to technical limitations. 10:00 <{Demo}4> does 3.6 handle outdoorness better? 10:01 well you've never really outside 10:01 <{Demo}4> yes you are 10:01 unless its a certain quest level 10:01 otherwise you're in the dungeons of doom 10:01 <{Demo}4> read In_outdoors() in dungeon.c 10:01 no 10:01 <{Demo}4> but theres some weird shit 10:02 <{Demo}4> like in 3.4.3 if you zap a wand of striking at the ceiling it dislodges a rock, this is blocked from happening outdoors 10:02 <{Demo}4> but digging still does it 10:02 Another notable clearly-not-supposed-to-be-in-the-underground-dungeons area is the Planes. 10:02 {Demo}4: That inconsistency is probably an oversight. 10:02 YANI: when leaving the dungeon with the amulet, instead of going directly to the plane of earth, you emerge outside in the woods and have to sprint for the planes portal while a bunch of angry monsters are chasing you 10:02 Not even the Plane of Air? 10:02 or you hop over to the pub in the neatby village for a pint 10:03 *nearby 10:03 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 10:03 Andrio: Clearly not. Airplanes don't fly underground. 10:03 but could they 10:04 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 10:04 (ALso: the Planes are probably meant to be understood as outside the entire mortal plane of existence altogether, i.e., outside what is conventionally called the universe.) 10:04 <{Demo}4> hmm, maybe outdoors isnt a vanilla thing 10:04 <{Demo}4> i always thought it was 10:07 It is 10:08 at least ranger quest? 10:09 Ranger quest has an area that is probably meant to be underground. 10:09 But I'm not at all sure the entire quest is meant to be. 10:09 <{Demo}4> whats it called in vanilla then? 10:09 A couple of the others are like that too. 10:10 <{Demo}4> or wait, is it defined in des files there maybe? 10:10 <{Demo}4> wait its a level flag perhaps? god i cant recall 10:10 The one quest that sticks in my head as probably being actually meant to be entirely underground and each level is below the previous one in the conventional way, is the Caveman quest. 10:13 Maybe not, actually 10:13 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 10:14 <{Demo}4> !tell luxidream remember the discussion we had about limited rocks in the dungeon? nah, turns out zapping digging or striking at the ceiling dislodges a rock, not sure if this is a vanilla feature or just dnh 10:14 luxidream shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, {Demo}4. 10:14 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 5328 points, T:585, killed by a monster (hobbit lord) 10:14 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 10:14 [backscroll] xnethack defines outdoorsness for a bunch of quest levels. It affects things like scrolls of earth not doing anything, and messages for stuff hitting the ceiling. I don't think I count the Planes as outdoors though. 10:15 The Planes are _beyond_ merely outdoors. 10:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 6300 points, T:1, escaped 10:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 1000 points, T:1, escaped 10:16 None of the main-branch dungeon levels or other side branch levels count as outdoors. Though if the game had something like ais523's Crater Clearing, that would count. 10:16 <{Demo}4> i guess ill look for outdoor cases you are catching 10:17 aosdict: but the descriptions on a lot of the quests elude to being outdoors 10:19 well 10:19 suspension of disbelief 10:19 *allude 10:19 elude dammit 10:19 let me be wrong 10:19 :P 10:20 You've eluded correctness. 10:20 hah 10:20 seriously i prob need to go back to school 10:20 for grammar/english class anyways 10:21 Eh, I think reading books helps just as much. 10:21 !help 10:21 LarienTelrunya: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 10:21 !commands 10:21 LarienTelrunya: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 10:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:21 !fleecy 10:21 K2: The one branch that defines outdoorsness on a per-level basis *is* the Quest. 10:21 K2: awwwww ♥ that would be a great command 10:21 !awww 10:21 <{Demo}4> aos what do u do special about outdoorsness? 10:21 <{Demo}4> i think ive seen you talk about it 10:21 <{Demo}4> which is why i am so confused 10:21 he creates random cow patties 10:22 that you can step in 10:22 the smell == aggravate monster extrinsic 10:23 * K2 watches LarienTelrunya add that to slex 10:23 {Demo}4: Currently it only provides a false value to ceiling_exists(). 10:24 Which affects several various things 10:24 prevents rust traps and rock traps from generating, among others 10:24 I never actually pictured rust traps as being on the ceiling, oddly 10:25 More like a rust trapper. 10:26 I suppose the flavor of rust traps don't specify where the water's coming from. 10:27 The oddness of "outdoors" levels is where there's obviously a building in the level, and THAT isn't outdoors. 10:27 <{Demo}4> yeahhh 10:28 There is a distinction between being in a room and not, though, wherever the game describes the ceiling. 10:28 <{Demo}4> yes but that is for special rooms 10:28 no, all rooms 10:28 <{Demo}4> could make some dummy room region type for specifically not being outdoors 10:29 <{Demo}4> even if the level is 10:33 special levels that define buildings with MAPs though... 10:33 like e.g. Knight homr 10:33 home 10:33 mm 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:2969 10:34 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3730 10:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:25351 11:02 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:04 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:14 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 11:15 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:18726 11:37 K2: awwwwwwwwwwwww why can't we fooproof scrolls :( will it forever be impossible to have an emergency scroll of teleport out in gehennom? 11:37 grease 'em 11:38 also I guess I won't be playing evilhack after all, because I'd have way too many complaints and I don't want to get on your bad side :D 11:38 * K2 shrugs 11:39 i dont mind complaints so long as its actually constructive criticism 11:40 well then here is one: it seems very arbitrary that most item types can be fooproofed but scrolls somehow can not 11:40 it would be too lopsided to be able to make *everything* invulnerable 11:41 its no different in grunthack 11:41 but hey, make it that way in slex 11:42 (if you havent already) 11:42 already did ages ago :P 11:42 yeah see 11:42 why even make things fooproofable? just make it all invulnerable to begin with 11:42 in practice you won't ever find enough fooproofing sources to make everything fooproof anyway 11:43 also, are you implying that slex is somehow unbalanced just because things that should really be fooproofable, are fooproofable? :P 11:43 where do i begin 11:43 I mean, it's not like the game would become too easy because of that 11:44 but i wont, because its your variant. you do what you see fit 11:44 also, when will evilhack be playable on the server? 11:44 when its ready 11:45 <{Demo}4> i think i want to try to get an ndnh proper release either later this month or next 11:45 cool 11:45 <{Demo}4> getting things like livelog actually working for adventure branches 11:46 <{Demo}4> cause currently it only livelogs/sets achievement bits for minetown stuff 11:46 <{Demo}4> instead of the alternatives 11:46 <{Demo}4> think im gonna try to neuter off the rogue level soon... 11:46 bhaak did that for unnethack 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a skeleton, on T:20251 11:47 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:59 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 12:03 <{Demo}4> why does the lethe patch get picked on so much? 12:04 <{Demo}4> err, picked from 12:11 Yeah I should really remove the rogue level as well. 12:18 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 12:25 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 12:26 <{Demo}4> turns out its really easy to neuter it, not sure why removing it from dungeon.def didn't work the first time I did it but it worked now 12:27 there's the proper way to remove it (deleting all the code and special cases that it requires) but that would cause a ton of merge conflicts down the road, so dungeon.def it is. 12:28 <{Demo}4> hmm, cleared a few things off the todo list 12:32 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 12:32 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 12:35 * LarienTelrunya implements the monster suggested in https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2641 :) 12:36 @le?gizard 12:36 gizard (l) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 4 | Generates: special | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 12:36 hmm 12:36 and for the sake of it, I also added a "boo gizard" right now :P 12:36 <{Demo}4> add a fuck ghost 12:36 @le?fuck ghost 12:36 fuck ghost (8) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 3 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: -5 | Attacks: 1d1 touch sex | Alignment: -5 | Flags: flies, phases, breathless, unsolid, nopoly, undead, stalker, vegan 12:37 <{Demo}4> ^best slex monster 12:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:41 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:41 does it leave a corpse? it doesn't say it leaves no corpse... 12:41 but I'm not sure if pinobot produces that information 12:41 <{Demo}4> slex isn't spl 12:41 <{Demo}4> so I assume not 12:41 it shouldn't have a corpse 12:47 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] jcmaxson (Arc Hum Mal 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13:35 lol 13:35 :P 13:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3377 13:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:47 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:48 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 13:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:00 [hdf-us] [4k] Cunt (Naltrac) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1329 points, T:448, killed by a sewer rat 14:03 thats not a nice word 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:10213 14:05 -!- sweval has joined #hardfought 14:06 maybe they're australian 14:08 [hdf-us] [4k] h (Naltrac) (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1215 points, T:286, killed by a newt 14:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3303 points, T:3422, killed by a crocodile 14:33 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 14:34 -!- sweval has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:37 -!- introsp3ctive has 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T:1890, killed by a rabid rat 16:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Set, on T:65532 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:24006 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1388519 points, T:65938, petrified by a chickatrice corpse 17:09 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 129116 points, T:25358, killed by an invisible demilich 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 17 points, T:85, killed by a sewer rat 17:32 wtf man 17:32 nethack source code doesn't make sense 17:33 why is the 'yn' function which displays a yes/no question and waits for input so special cased 17:36 special-cased how? 17:40 isn't its only parameter the string it asks for? 17:41 for some reason it's defined in topl.c and ignores vt_tiledata (it seems) 17:43 what does yn have to do with tiledata 17:43 there is a 'select window' tiledata 17:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3722 17:44 doesn't seem to be written in any window 17:44 calls Sprintf directly 17:46 oh wait 17:46 never mind 17:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 4566 points, T:5004, killed by an Uruk-hai 17:49 hm strange 17:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:52 <{Demo}4> I think it is meant to be used before the game starts 18:10 yeah 18:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 18:31 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:45 it doesn't make sense 18:45 i will investigate more tomorrow 18:45 <{Demo}4> oh well 18:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Master Kaen, on T:21921 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21955 18:50 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had orcish dagger bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:11336 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:22702 19:07 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:16 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 19:16 -!- MisteryMyra has quit [Quit: two forces in balance \\ ancient endless balance \\ then nothing] 19:20 -!- j has joined #hardfought 19:20 -!- j is now known as rebatela 19:20 \o/ 19:21 <{Demo}4> hey k2 19:23 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:24 hi 19:24 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 19:25 food brb 19:28 what kind of food this fine evening 19:29 <{Demo}4> is vodka good? 19:29 <{Demo}4> food? 19:29 yes 19:29 water with extra nutrition 19:33 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3114 19:44 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 19:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 19:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 2480 points, T:2490, killed by a giant spider 19:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:6002 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6742 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8602 20:21 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 20:22 leftover indian food 20:22 lamb and rice in some sort of mild curry sauce thing 20:23 <{Demo}4> q and % 20:27 so these new spells i am bringing over from grunthack, finally got them working 20:27 turns out you cant have a 'gap' between certain types of spells 20:27 not without rewriting a bunch of things 20:28 so 3 new spells instead of just 2 ;) 20:28 <{Demo}4> k2 i have some cool spell ideas 20:28 <{Demo}4> wait nevermind they were dumb 20:29 rofl 20:30 alrighty then 20:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:24369 20:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11624 20:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 2821 points, T:3732, poisoned by a rotted garter snake corpse 21:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:16 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 304 points, T:726, killed by a dwarf 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 70 points, T:99, killed by a falling rock 21:38 wooooo 21:38 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/68183d4ad53066037936b873c09cdd7e63c320bb 21:38 <{Demo}4> ok slashem 21:38 i have an idea for one more spell, I havent seen it in any variant yet (or maybe i havent looked hard enough) 21:39 then thats it for spells 21:39 <{Demo}4> nah im kidding this shit gets me hype ag 21:39 <{Demo}4> af 21:39 well new player spells anyway 21:39 having gotten into slash'em a bit since hosting it, i can see where grunthack got a LOT of its inspiration from 21:40 some from sporkhack 21:40 <{Demo}4> slashem is mad dope 21:40 some from nethack brass 21:40 <{Demo}4> nethack brass is col 21:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 113665 points, T:22569, killed by a giant beetle 21:42 so fyi - players wont be the only ones with access to these spells 21:42 plan is to allow spellcasting monsters access to the same 21:42 not 100% sure how i want to go about it 21:42 <{Demo}4> ok fiq 21:42 <{Demo}4> again 21:42 <{Demo}4> lol 21:42 grunthack just made pretty much all player spells available to monsters 21:43 i am thinking maybe just create more monster class spells that do roughly the same 21:43 use existing format 21:48 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 539 points, T:1303, killed by a kitten 21:51 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 32 points, T:44, killed by a water demon 21:51 -!- 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some monsters will be able to use it right back at ya ;) 22:16 <{Demo}4> nah gooof 22:20 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 22:39 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] davidkent (Hea Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:19988 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 496 points, T:1182, killed by a wererat 22:50 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 22:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3366 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3644 23:13 K2: It would be worth the effort to do monsters-casting-player-spells properly. 23:14 Instead of adding them as separate monster spells. 23:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an Olog-hai, on T:6883 23:14 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 8480 points, T:7427, killed by a wolf 23:19 why so aosdict 23:19 i can see pros/cons to both 23:44 You add them as separate monster spells, you now need to worry about maintaining code in two places. Plus the monster-spell and player-spell systems are pretty asymmetric, and could stand to be made symmetric. 23:49 'worry' isnt in my vocabulary 23:52 in fact a lot of words arent... 23:57 <{Demo}4> like allude? :P 23:58 elude/allude 23:58 its all the same 23:59 i could have said 'jhgfrireu jhrf%hf hghjoooohj!' 23:59 if you still understood me... does it matter?