00:05 <bug_sniper> nice patch idea: after passing your mintc, prompt you before you break any new conduct
00:06 <bouquet> aosdict: I think this was a bug - I was in a vortex while wielding a pick axe and it didn't prompt "hit with wielded weapon yes/now". I've been prompted every time before.
00:06 <bouquet> bug_sniper: xnh does this for weaponless conduct (except for just now)
00:07 <bouquet> I'm inclined to strip naked in the mines and let a gnome beat me to death for the bones
00:09 <bouquet> K2: what's the call on this? Can I get a rewind to turn 32487?
00:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:25492
00:19 <rld> <@carlarc> get 300 orcish helms and fill the map with them
00:19 <rld> <@carlarc> pray with shock resistance to get disintegrated, so the map is absolutely only orcish helms
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00:48 <bug_sniper> if people could become literate that easily, there would be 33% less teachers
00:53 <raisse>  yep
01:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:27802
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06:12 <raisse> You find a hidden door. You feel wise! You must have been very observant.
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07:38 <rld> <@xomman> rip
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08:04 <K2> bouquet: hah no you dont get a rewind because you accidentally whacked something with a weapon
08:04 <K2> cant rewind version 3 based games anyways
08:04 <K2> but even if i could - no ;)
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08:31 <aosdict> I found why it didn't prompt to break weaponless but the logic is so tricky it's giving me a headache
08:31 <aosdict> what I don't get is why people are using a pick so much that they are regularly forgetting to unwield it when fighting stuff
08:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:16421
08:33 <raisse> because they want to wade through rock like a dwarf
08:33 <raisse> or because they *are* a dwarf.
08:35 <aosdict> in my experience there are plenty of digging wands to get you through gehennom and the plane of earth without needing to bust out a pick
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08:36 <K2> EPI: remove wands of digging and the spell dig, have only one pick axe in game that the player has to fight to get. make pick axes non-wishable
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08:37 <K2> that would suck
08:38 <Andrio> And hope it's not the one on the Plane of Earth
08:38 <K2> hah
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09:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] grumlin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a concave amulet named c on an altar, on T:4877
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09:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Hea Gno Fem Neu) murdered Spot, her faithful kitten, on T:2235
09:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 778 points, T:2346, killed by a straw golem
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09:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 31015 points, T:5502, killed by a monster (normal vampire)
09:43 <aosdict> a normal vampire?
09:43 <aosdict> in slex???
09:44 <raisse> normal as in "You feel a little normal" I suppose
09:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 111563 points, T:13772, killed by Master Kaen
09:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nnnnnnn;l (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 3450 points, T:1646, killed by a dwarf lord
09:49 <stennowork> CONSECUTIVE NORMAL PUNCHES.
09:52 <stennowork> FR: saitama role
09:52 <rld> <@luxidream> ok
09:53 <rld> <@luxidream> stenno: well, we already have valkyrie
09:53 <stennowork> lol
09:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nnfnfnnfnnfnnfnnnff (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 1947 points, T:1240, killed by a black pudding
10:01 <jonadab> A normal vampire is fundamentally different from a tangent vampire.
10:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1328 points, T:2268, quit
10:07 <stennowork> novelty vampire
10:11 <aosdict> jonadab: I was going to say, since standard vanilla vampires move exclusively on a horizontal plane of the dungeon level, do normal vampires move exclusively up and down?
10:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 3752 points, T:3595, killed by a dwarf
10:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a gecko corpse on an altar of Ishtar, on T:5867
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10:41 <bouquet> K2: I was sort of kidding, anyway :)
10:43 <bouquet> aosdict: while engulfed I wasn't asked if I wanted to hit with a weapon.  By design or bug?
10:43 <aosdict> Splicehack YANI: The scroll and spellbook of web allow you to fire a web in a direction; if it hits an obstacle it creates a web on the preceding space; if it hits a monster it creates a web on that space and instaentangles it, if it hits nothing it'll just place the web after some distance. Could be implemented as a beam.
10:43 <aosdict> This is partly because it makes it more powerful and partly so that you can roleplay as Spiderman.
10:43 <K2> bouquet :P
10:44 <aosdict> YANI: If there is a web over water or lava but you are a web walking monster, you can move onto that space without the liquid effects.
10:44 <aosdict> Or maybe if you're *any* monster.
10:44 <aosdict> bouquet: Not by design, I fixed it earlier.
10:45 <bouquet> earlier today?
10:45 <aosdict> yes
10:45 <bouquet> you rock
10:45 <aosdict> I managed not to use a goto
10:45 <aosdict> hooray
10:45 <bouquet> I'm going to ditch these bones in the mines and start again.
10:45 <aosdict> well I haven't pushed it yet
10:45 <bouquet> if you want some sweet monk bones, play xnh!
10:45 <aosdict> K2: can push if you want to update
10:46 <aosdict> also adds the colored walls patch
10:46 <bouquet> are they as psychodelic as slex walls?
10:46 <aosdict> no
10:46 <aosdict> they're L walls
10:46 <bouquet> good
10:46 <aosdict> similar to splicehack's implementation
10:46 <stennowork> oh is the armor abundance bug solved?
10:46 <bouquet> I'll wait for the push
10:47 <aosdict> stennowork: what armor abundance bug
10:47 <stennowork> armorwall or w/e it was called
10:47 <stennowork> the thing where everything suddenly was a [
10:47 <aosdict> armorlandia?
10:47 <stennowork> ah that
10:47 <stennowork> yes
10:47 <aosdict> that was because I changed glyphs without a savebreak
10:47 <{Demo}4> is it more like in dnh?
10:47 <aosdict> this only affects colors, not glyphs
10:47 <stennowork> aah oof
10:48 <aosdict> a wall glyph is still a wall glyph
10:48 <stennowork> i would like to massively extend xlog heh
10:48 <stennowork> errrrr
10:48 <stennowork> vt_tiledata
10:48 <stennowork> and tiles in general
10:48 <stennowork> to make this whole api thing a bit more easy
10:49 <K2> aosdict ok in a few, rebuilding a windows print server
10:50 <aosdict> will push then
10:51 <{Demo}4> how do you formally save break?
10:51 <aosdict> you edit the version constants in patchlevel.h
10:52 <aosdict> of course, in 3.x and variants other than dnethack, if you try to run the new version on the old save, it will wipe the save file (bleh)
10:52 <{Demo}4> even in nao?
10:52 <aosdict> I think so
10:53 <aosdict> nao never needed to bother with updating patchlevel
10:53 <aosdict> nothing it did ever broke saves
10:53 <{Demo}4> ah true
10:53 <stennowork> indeewd
10:53 <bhaak> yeah, paxed either went out of his way to add features without breaking saves or he didn't add them at all
10:53 <stennowork> which was a tad annoying at times
10:53 <stennowork> yep
10:54 <aosdict> ideally this would be something the devteam fixes since there are probably players out there who destroy their saves in a version update that they mishandled
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 13756 points, T:5486, killed by a monster (baluchitherium)
10:57 <aosdict> maybe I should send it in through the contact form?
10:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 257428 points, T:33496, killed by a giant spider
10:58 <stennowork> savebreaks do get announced on the main page 
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11:00 <aosdict> still, it seems unnecessarily cruel to have "you messed up, version mismatch -> say goodbye to your save file" instead of "you messed up, version mismatch -> I will not load this save file"
11:01 <LarienTelrunya> well I preached this for years, and fixed it in slex and dnhslex so that the save isn't autodeleted on a version mitmatch... why can't vanilla and other variants implement it? :P
11:01 <aosdict> I tried, but ran into some difficulty
11:01 <aosdict> I forget what
11:01 <{Demo}4> link to relevant dnhslex commit? :P
11:05 <LarienTelrunya> yeah I seem to recall some strange issues when it was attempted to port to 3.6 variants, but still, it must be possible
11:06 <LarienTelrunya> {Demo}4: https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/8f10defb10cf84291d027165b19fed762d29e7ae :D
11:07 <aosdict> ouch indentation
11:09 <aosdict> anyway, I can't see why that wouldn't work
11:09 <aosdict> in 3.6
11:09 <aosdict> so what was the issue I ran into?
11:09 <{Demo}4> thanks
11:10 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: uhh, can't remember, all I recall is that it was somehow worse than before
11:10 * aosdict checks #hardfought logs circa march 2018
11:12 <{Demo}4> hey amy, did you know that in 3.6 if you are polyd into a mind flayer and eat something of your race's brain when you attack it counts as cannibalism?
11:13 <LarienTelrunya> {Demo}4: no comment :P
11:15 <K2> xNetHack updated (all servers)
11:18 <bouquet> woo, thanks!
11:19 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: I am seeing all of the complaining about the savebreak and a ton of other bugs being discovered at the same time, but not actually any record of problems with the "delete the save file?" implementation
11:20 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: yeah it was something really weird that I can't remember
11:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 11100 points, T:3687, killed by a monster (Sarah's soft sneaker)
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11:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 1504 points, T:1233, killed by a monster (hungry demon), while fainted from lack of food
11:38 <aosdict> hmm apparently it trapped {Demo}4 in some sort of save loop
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11:39 <aosdict> oh I think I put code in the wrong place
11:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:7281
11:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 439 points, T:1249, killed by a monster (torauma)
11:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:8090
11:52 <K2> xNetHack updated (all servers)
11:56 <stennowork> the cool thing about the low level api is that it will also work for splicehack or xnethack
12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 551 points, T:1878, killed by a giant bat
12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] winny (Arc Mal), 62 points, T:205, imp
12:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5463
12:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5590
12:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 25444 points, T:10698, killed by a gargoyle, while fainted from lack of food
12:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 2717 points, T:1542, killed by a monster (hobbit king)
12:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 190 points, T:701, killed by a giant mimic
12:16 <raisse> I didn't know hobbits had kings
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12:17 <K2> mayor would make more sense
12:17 <K2> or sherrif
12:18 <K2> 'hobbit chef'
12:19 <raisse> lol
12:19 <K2> rock star title for a hobbit right there ;)
12:19 <K2> 'why yes... I am a chef'
12:21 <LarienTelrunya> K2: uhh... you do hopefully know that all those suggestions will make it into a future slex version? :D
12:21 <LarienTelrunya> not as a replacement for hobbit kings, but as all-new monsters of course
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12:31 <jonadab> aosdict: Makes sense to me (re: normal vampires moving vertically).
12:32 <jonadab> K2: most players probably wouldn't get this, but how about hobbit test?
12:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:35933
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12:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6037
12:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:36249
12:45 <jonadab> EPI: if you get hit with a wand of draining, it drains a charge/enchatment from each chargeable/enchantable item in your inventory, in addition to draining a level from you.
12:46 <K2> jonadab i guess i dont get it either. hobbit test?
12:46 <jonadab> EPI: If you get hit with draining while carrying a container, the container gets a hole in the bottom and starts to periodically lose items silently to the floor.
12:47 <jonadab> K2: There's an entrance test for like nursing school and stuff, that people come into the library asking for practice tests for sometimes.  I think the official spelling is different, but they all pronounce it exactly like "hobbit test".
12:47 <K2> hahah
12:48 <jonadab> Looks like the official spelling is HOBET.  Which I would've pronounced "HOE-bett", but that isn't how any of them say it.
12:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5643
12:50 <K2> I just took an online quiz, 'which LotR character are you?'
12:51 <K2> apparently I am Thorin Oakenshield
12:51 <K2> false
12:59 <Pinkbeast> Because 1) not in LOTR?
13:00 <LarienTelrunya> K2: link? ;)
13:00 <K2> the hobbit, lotr, all the same
13:00 * LarienTelrunya wants to take the quiz too
13:00 <K2> fyi there is mention of him in return of the king
13:01 <K2> LarienTelrunya i dont remember i already closed the page heh
13:03 <LarienTelrunya> :(
13:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:7924
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13:04 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: Thorin is mentioned repeatedly in LOTR.  Posthumously.
13:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8000
13:05 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: You are a cross between Tom Bombadil and Cruella DeVille.
13:06 <LarienTelrunya> huh? I'd have expected to be, I dunno, Lurtz or Saruman :D
13:06 <Pinkbeast> He's _mentioned_ in Fellowship (p. 222 in the normal 3-volume edition) but I wouldn't say Napoleon's "in" the Holmes stories, either.
13:07 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: Wait, can I change my answer?  Maybe you are a cross between Tom Bombadil and Shelob.
13:07 <jonadab> Yes, that is closer.
13:07 <K2> LofH
13:07 <K2> ^ Lord of the Hobbit
13:08 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: I can _easily_ imagine you singing about a sky blue jacket and yellow boots.  Not a stretch at all.
13:08 <LarienTelrunya> :D
13:09 <LarienTelrunya> speaking of shoes, my aunt gave me a wonderfully lovely pair of black velvet stiletto sandals yesterday and they're so cuuuuuute! ♥♥♥
13:09 <Pinkbeast> ... and Shelob because she requires 4x as many shoes as anyone else?
13:09 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: Among other reasons, sure.
13:10 <jonadab> So here's the image:  LarienTelrunya is wearing eight yellow boots and a sky blue jacket, skipping merrily through a dark cave, singing about luring tasty morsels to their doom in her webs.
13:12 <jonadab> I suppose she would probably insist on making rainbow-colored webs.
13:14 <jonadab> I suppose my closest literary alter-ego is Strangeyeard, from the Dragonbone Chair series.
13:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9388
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13:20 <LarienTelrunya> https://simg.nicepng.com/png/small/8-87353_colorful-spiderweb-colorful-color-rainbow-png-and-spider.png :)
13:21 <Pinkbeast> Also Shelob because she's approximately the one female character who doesn't moon after dudes
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13:23 <FIQ> what would my closest literary alter-ego be I wonder
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13:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:10414
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13:29 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: That also.
13:37 <aosdict> devil's advocate: ioreth doesn't moon after dudes :P
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13:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 169 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37090
13:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 67 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37290
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13:49 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Granted
13:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5935
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14:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14767
14:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 7166 points, T:5802, killed by a jaguar
14:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38089
14:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38090
14:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:3340
14:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 500 points, T:1968, killed by a cave spider
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14:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huhetotl, on T:2787
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14:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Pri Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:7141
14:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 3404 points, T:5315, killed by a white unicorn
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14:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 764 points, T:1658, killed by a crossbow bolt
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14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Pri Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a rock mole, on T:8138
14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 11478 points, T:8143, quit
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14:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:2871
14:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3001
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14:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 3443 points, T:3774, killed by a rothe
14:50 <LarienTelrunya> !who
14:50 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] rebatela [nh362] Bartlem [nh362] hothraxxa [gh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
14:55 <K2> ok coder types
14:55 <K2> i have a bit of a problem with a recent commit i made for evilhack, could use a bit of help resolving it
14:55 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b853fc39c315fa61573863a662feb51f9ade596f
14:55 <K2> description of the issue is in the commit
14:59 <Pinkbeast> K2: On a quick glance, isn't the "return 0" that means you don't eat the thing in the "if (res && !Food_sense)" check?
14:59 <K2> see... thats where i felt the problem was
15:00 <K2> but i didnt know exactly what to do
15:00 <K2> ok so how to redo that bit
15:00 <K2> hmm
15:01 <Pinkbeast> Not to be Capt Obvious but I'd have "if (res) { if (!Food_sense) { /* nose stops tingling */ } return 0; }"
15:01 <K2> dont worry, not gonna hurt my feelings
15:01 <K2> i dont claim to be a programmer 
15:02 <Pinkbeast> Back in 15 minutes anyway
15:02 <K2> thanks
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7067
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15:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 451 points, T:1061, killed by a water elemental
15:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 774 points, T:1956, killed by a kobold lord
15:32 <K2> woop
15:32 <K2> i think i got it figured out
15:34 <K2> sweet
15:35 <K2> still a tiny quirk but i can live with it for now, nothing is broken per se
15:37 <K2> Pinkbeast - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/050d0d66b0e09948fb695c28d973f5006d6129fc
15:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] ae (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 6990 points, T:4680, killed by a puppy
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15:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 4146 points, T:4181, killed by a sewer rat
15:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:17362
15:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 143 points, T:584, killed by a boiling potion
15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] r (Waab) (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 1332 points, T:2032, killed by a kobold zombie, while fainted from lack of food
15:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5659
15:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:28960
15:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:28960
15:50 <Pinkbeast> K2: Um
15:51 <K2> no um's
15:51 <K2> err's are ok
15:51 <K2> or wtf's
15:51 <Pinkbeast> I think it would be easier to see a commit combining both commits, if you can rebase it conveniently
15:52 <K2> you want me to combine the latest two commits into one?
15:52 <K2> what wizardry is this
15:53 <Pinkbeast> Or pastebin a git diff of the two commits combined
15:53 <K2> um
15:53 <K2> ...
15:53 <K2> why for
15:53 <K2> s/um/err
15:54 <Pinkbeast> Well, it would be easier to review the net effect (and, while this isn't your fault, the room I'm in is full of the loudest person I know, so it's hard to concentrate)
15:54 <K2> ah
15:54 <K2> i understand
15:55 <K2> so. i try to stay away from advanced git techniques and sorcery. bad things usually result (ask Tangles)
15:55 <Pinkbeast> I don't know if you wanted to change the test from !Food_sense to u.uedibility. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I don't know - I'd have to think about the interaction if you have food sense but also used blessed detect food
15:55 <K2> I did
15:56 <K2> and all the tests i ran behave as intended (so far)
15:56 <Pinkbeast> Well, git diff <commit id> <commit id> doesn't _do_ anything so it's pretty safe, but if you did think about it I won't bother :-)
15:56 <K2> in other words, if you read a blessed scroll of food detection, you're u.uedibility
15:56 <K2> so you get the 'nose tingles then goes back to normal' because its a one-off
15:57 <K2> if you're Food_sense, its a permanent intrinsic, nothing should indicate its wearing off
15:57 <Pinkbeast> Also you've spotted edibility_prompts has 3 return values which i hadn't :-)
15:57 <K2> heh
15:58 <K2> one last quirk is that if you have the intrinsic and you read a blessed ?oFD, you get both effects and messages
15:58 <K2> nothing breaks but its not necessary
15:58 <K2> will address later
15:59 <Pinkbeast> I tend to use git rebase to squoosh up a commit and all the later commits that fix my own stupid errors, but it's not really necessary
15:59 <K2> so i just created a new intrinsic from scratch. WTF
15:59 <K2> Pinkbeast I learned what NOT to do with git commits early on when i first started working with grunthack
15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1769 points, T:3273, killed by a wand
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16:00 <K2> our repo for it is a mess because of me
16:00 <Pinkbeast> ... don't rebase commits you've pushed?
16:00 <K2> where do i begin
16:00 <Pinkbeast> I get the loudest person I know to dig me out of that hole; he's also a bit of a git wizard
16:00 <K2> ah
16:01 <K2> yeah i'm still playing with the proverbial cantrips
16:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 110 points, T:330, fell onto a sink
16:01 <K2> apprentice 3rd class
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16:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 460 points, T:1120, killed by a rothe
16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 393 points, T:1137, killed by a magic missile
16:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:31003
16:11 <bouquet> a "gizard" if you will...
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16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:5799
16:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:61290
16:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:61291
16:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] grumlin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11519
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16:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 5832 points, T:6760, killed by a jaguar
16:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Val Dwa Fem Law), 274 points, T:1616, killed by a magic missile
16:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4390 points, T:2997, killed by an imp
16:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:6872
16:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 5334 points, T:8112, killed by a magic missile
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16:35 <LarienTelrunya> @le?gizard
16:35 <Beholder> gizard (l) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 4 | Generates: special | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible
16:35 <stenno> @le?king gizard
16:35 <Beholder> No such monster.
16:35 <stenno> boo
16:38 <K2> ahhh!
16:39 <K2> holy shit stenno...
16:39 <stenno> ?
16:39 <K2> scared me
16:39 <stenno> lol
16:39 <K2> :)
16:39 <stenno> that made me laugh irl
16:39 <K2> \o/
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16:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6231
16:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 10921 points, T:7300, killed by a white unicorn
16:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:32503
16:52 <Tangles> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f78_Tf4Tdk
16:52 <Beholder> Tangles: Message from hothraxxa at 2019-01-30 09:57 EST: using pokedex on some items (eg rocks) in splicehack causes program in disorder. error is curses-associated: curses_display_nhmenu: attempt to display empty menu
16:54 <Tangles> K2, stenno, LarienTelrunya ^
16:54 * K2 is watching
16:54 <LarienTelrunya> uhh... you can use the pokedex on items??? you can't do that in slex :P
16:54 <stenno> Tangles: that was the reference!
16:55 * stenno big king gizzard and the lizard wizard fan
16:55 <LarienTelrunya> it just so happens that I'm dealing with a pokedex-related information leak in slex right now :P
16:55 <LarienTelrunya> think I finally fixed that error now
16:55 <K2> thats better life through chemistry right there
16:55 <stenno> i have a 'flying microtonal bananas' shirt :D
16:55 <Tangles> stenno: cool :) Was not sure how well they were known outside au, though I think they have toured internationally
16:56 <Tangles> nice :)
16:56 <stenno> i know it from anthony fandango
16:56 <stenno> (theneedledrop)
16:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1109 points, T:3235, quit
16:58 <Tangles> lol K2 :D
16:58 <K2> hi Tangles!
16:58 <Tangles> How are ya?
16:58 <K2> i am good. how you doin?
16:59 <Tangles> really good, actually... not much time for nethack lately though!
16:59 <K2> i hear ya
16:59 <K2> my excuse for not playing seriously lately is because of my last astral splat in sporkhack
16:59 <K2> its like i've been traumatized
17:00 <Tangles> haha yeah
17:00 <K2> :)
17:00 <K2> on a evilhack spree of late
17:00 <K2> *an
17:00 <K2> ok gotta go get the mini me, i will catch up with you later tonight if you're around
17:01 <Tangles> Just about to head to work. Probably won't be on from there... see how I go.
17:01 <Tangles> But yeah, talk later. Have a good one!
17:01 <K2> you too!
17:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 4076 points, T:2504, killed by a monster (hallucinogen-distorted angry watch lieutenant)
17:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:33997
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17:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:34444
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17:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law), 17449 points, T:10750, killed by an exploding wand
17:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 2047 points, T:2110, killed by a monster (clockwork espion)
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17:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:35429
17:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35537
17:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:36328
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18:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29430
18:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) murdered Slasher, her faithful little dog, on T:692
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 455 points, T:1227, killed by a sewer rat
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18:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products (lump of royal jelly) for the first time, on T:4739
18:50 <aosdict> !tell LarienTelrunya The pokedex for items comes from xnethack.
18:50 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
18:57 <bouquet> TIL: vegans don't eat honey.
19:01 <aosdict> I thought some did, based on the fact that you can't really abuse bees to get more honey
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19:03 <bouquet> well, royal jelly is extracted from honeycomb kind of like honey so I'm making broad assumptions.
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19:03 <jonadab> bouquet: Honey is produced by bees.  Of course vegans don't eat it.
19:04 <sodastab> do vegans drink that kind of coffee that is passed through a rodent's digestive tract
19:04 <bouquet> even though I live in hipster central I don't really understand all the details of the vegan diet.
19:05 <jonadab> It's not a diet.  It's a philosophy.  Specifically, that animals should have the same rights as humans and not be exploited.
19:05 <jonadab> And we don't have them around here either.  I think they're mostly in California?
19:06 <sodastab> :|
19:06 <jonadab> sodastab: Probably only if the beans are collected from the ground after the rodents do their thing naturally.  Which is usually not the case.
19:06 <sodastab> I think there are some in portland oregon
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19:06 <jonadab> Oregon I can believe.
19:06 <jonadab> Anywhere on the left coast really.
19:06 <jonadab> Possibly parts of Europe?
19:07 <bouquet> heavy concentration in Seattle, for sure.
19:07 <jonadab> Of course, I live in Ohio, where vegetarians are *more* likely than non-vegetarians to eat fish.
19:07 <sodastab> doesn't that make them non-vegetarians
19:07 <jonadab> Also, a fair percentage of vegetarians here eat chicken.
19:08 <sodastab> that definitely makes them non-vegetarians
19:08 <jonadab> No, see, "vegetarian" just means you don't eat meat.
19:08 <sodastab> > don't eat meat
19:08 <sodastab> > eat fish
19:08 <sodastab> > eat chicken
19:08 <jonadab> And "meat" is sometimes used as a synonym for beef.
19:08 <jonadab> As in, "meat flavored" spaghetti sauce.
19:08 <sodastab> that doesn't sound right
19:08 <jonadab> No dictionary's ever gonna list that definition.
19:09 <jonadab> Also, I don't think I know of any vegetarians who eat pork or other red meats.
19:09 <sodastab> I mean, some people call themselves piscetarians or something
19:09 <jonadab> But poultry definitely.
19:09 <jonadab> And as I said, they're *more* likely than average to eat fish.  Because gotta get protein somewhere.
19:09 <sodastab> only meat they eat is fish
19:09 <sodastab> they can't be vegetarians then though
19:10 <jonadab> Fish (except for tuna and maybe salmon)  is not generally considered to be meat in the midwest.
19:10 <sodastab> lolwut
19:10 <jonadab> I mean, if you specifically ask people "is fish meat", some of them will get this confused look on their face and go, "Umm, maybe?"
19:10 <jonadab> But nobody actually thinks it is.
19:11 <sodastab> why would you not think fish meat is meat
19:11 <jonadab> At least, not in culinary terms.
19:11 <jonadab> Because it's fish?
19:11 <sodastab> which is
19:11 <sodastab> meat
19:11 <jonadab> No, fish is seafood.
19:11 <sodastab> yes
19:11 <sodastab> which can be meat or not
19:11 <sodastab> fish: meat
19:11 <sodastab> seaweed: not meat
19:11 <jonadab> Seaweed: not food
19:11 <sodastab> japan would like to know your location
19:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:1962
19:12 <jonadab> Yeah, I know about nori.
19:12 <sodastab> location: far from any ocean
19:12 <sodastab> this probably explains things
19:12 <jonadab> But this is the Midwest.
19:12 <jonadab> Yeah.
19:12 <jonadab> "Seaweed" is that horrible icky stuff in lkaes.
19:12 <jonadab> *lakes
19:12 <jonadab> Which *nobody* would ever put in their mouth, trust me.
19:13 <bouquet> the seaweed on the beach here is delish!
19:13 <bouquet> nom nom nom
19:13 <sodastab> all the seaweed I have witnessed in person smells like rot
19:13 <sodastab> would not put near my face
19:13 <jonadab> Also of note:  the Midwest grows a *ton* of soybeans.  We do two things with them:  we feed them to hogs, and we export them to Asia.
19:13 <bouquet> we like to refer to it as "Sea Lettuce"
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19:14 <jonadab> The leading brand of soy sauce does not have soybeans as an ingredient.
19:14 <jonadab> And there are like NO other food products that contain them.
19:14 <sodastab> well ok there was some kind of snack that involved a sort of cruncy rice material wrapped in dried seaweed? I did not particularly *like* it but it was presumably somewhat edible
19:14 <jonadab> I mean, everyone's heard of tofu, it's legendary, but nobody eats it, or has ever seen it.
19:15 <sodastab> I have seen tofu
19:15 <sodastab> and picked it out of my steamed veggie mix
19:15 <jonadab> Not in the Midwest you haven't.
19:16 <aosdict> jonadab: I love tofu. Great in a stir fry.
19:16 <jonadab> aosdict: What state do you live in though?
19:16 <jonadab> If you say Indiana, I'm calling Schenanighans.
19:16 <sodastab> also lots of processed foods have stuff like soybean oil and soy protein extract and other crap in them
19:16 <jonadab> Yes, soybean oil, that's true.
19:16 <aosdict> And regarding vegetarianism, I eat nothing from kingdom Animalia. Pretty simple.
19:16 <jonadab> Flies under the radar because nobody actually reads labels.
19:17 <sodastab> isn't edamame literally another word for soybeans
19:17 <jonadab> I tried to explain to someone here that really really strict vegetarians don't eat Jell-O.  They didn't believe me.
19:17 <jonadab> sodastab: Yes, it's a Japanese word.
19:18 <jonadab> Not a food product you'll find around here.
19:18 <sodastab> why would a vegetarian eat jell-o
19:18 <aosdict> Edamame makes me feel ill for some reason but basically all other soy products are great
19:18 <jonadab> If I wanted to buy some soybeans for some reason, I'd go to a farm supply store, not a grocery store.  More likely to find them.
19:18 <sodastab> isn't most/all of the gelatin procured from bone
19:18 <aosdict> yes
19:18 <jonadab> That's why the strict ones don't, yes.
19:19 <jonadab> At least, historically that was the case.
19:19 <jonadab> Not sure if gelatin is still produced that way or not.
19:19 <jonadab> (Not being a vegetarian, I had no pressing need to know.)
19:19 <sodastab> I think you can get gelatin from certain seaweeds or such
19:19 <aosdict> I can hope that foods are slowly starting to switch to pectin
19:19 <jonadab> I mean, historically butter was also an animal product.  Modern butter is a vegetable product.
19:19 <sodastab> or maybe it's pectin
19:19 <sodastab> jonadab: WHAT
19:19 <jonadab> Pectin is what's in jelly.
19:19 <sodastab> margerine can not be called butter
19:20 <jonadab> sodastab: "margerine" and "butter" are synonyms.  Also sometimes called "oleo".
19:20 <aosdict> jonadab: I think if something is labeled butter that means it came from a cow
19:20 <jonadab> I think the labels usually don't say "butter".
19:20 <jonadab> But the labels don't say "kleenex" either, on most brands of kleenex.
19:20 <aosdict> well all these sticks in MY fridge say butter
19:20 <sodastab> those are not synonyms
19:20 <jonadab> Nobody reads labels.
19:21 <aosdict> If you get your "butter" out of a tub, it might not be dairy, maybe.
19:21 <bouquet> is this the kind of semantic thing where Atlanteans will say "I'll have a coke" and that could be any number of soda brand drinks?
19:21 <jonadab> We've always used sticks.
19:21 <jonadab> But I'm quite sure it's the modern kind.
19:21 <jonadab> Hydrogenated vegetable oils.
19:21 <jonadab> Mixed with water, to reduce the calorie count.
19:21 <sodastab> can get real butter in a tub, would probably be whipped butter
19:22 <sodastab> it isn't *common*
19:22 <rebatela> oleo is margarine.  butter is from a cow 
19:22 <jonadab> I think most stores sell old-fashioned pioneer style dairy butter, but A) it's unhealthy, B) it's gross, and C) it costs more, so I don't know who would buy it.
19:23 <sodastab> I don't think anybody here would ever refer to margarine as butter
19:23 <sodastab> they are different foodstuffs
19:24 <jonadab> We do sometimes buy the kind of butter that doesn't have the water mixed in (Parkay or whatever), for use in certain dessert recipes that are particularly liable to have the wrong consistency otherwise.
19:24 <aosdict> wikipedia lists margarine and oleo as synonyms but does not imply anywhere that the food called butter is now commonly made from vegetable oil
19:24 <sodastab> yeah "modern butter" is just butter
19:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Archie (Ktown) (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 26482 points, T:1430, killed by a water moccasin
19:25 <sodastab> is a dairy product
19:25 <jonadab> I'm actually not sure I've ever heard the word "margerine" pronounced.  You mostly just see it in print.
19:25 <jonadab> When speaking out loud, it's pronounced "butter", as far as I know.
19:25 <sodastab> you mean to say one could ask for butter in the midwest and receive margarine
19:25 <sodastab> that's horrifying
19:26 <jonadab> That's... the only kind of butter we have in the house, ever?
19:26 <sodastab> "kind of butter"  *twitches*
19:26 <aosdict> jonadab: I have some parkay here, it is not butter. It literally says "vegetable oil" on it
19:28 <jonadab> I do remember a series of TV commercials back in, umm, I think the eighties, that were trying to convince people that "Real butter" is the dairy kind.  But IIRC it was the word "Real" that was getting the special treatment there.
19:28 <jonadab> Always being shown capitalized and in a certain color and font and stuff.
19:28 <jonadab> As if it were a trademark.  Not sure if they thought they could *actually* get a trademark on such a common word.
19:28 <aosdict> jonadab: how about this, when you go to the grocery store what brands of butterare sold
19:29 <jonadab> Umm, I would have to go to the store and look.  I don't pay a *lot* of attention to brands.
19:29 <jonadab> I mean, I could go to the kitchen and get _one_ brand name.
19:30 <jonadab> Oh, and I already mentioned Parkay, which is the stuff we only use occasionally.
19:32 <jonadab> "Blue Bonnet" is the brand we have at the moment.
19:32 <jonadab> It's super cheap; we get the cheapest stuff partly because it's cheap, and partly because it's lower in calories.
19:32 <sodastab> lucerne's probably the most common brand here
19:32 <jonadab> (My dad goes through about a stick of butter a day...  which horrifies mom...)
19:33 <sodastab> of butter, not margarine
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19:33 <Pinkbeast> I know food labelling's a disaster area in the USA but Blue Bonnet seems to scrupulously avoid actually claiming it's butter
19:33 <jonadab> (She's been married to the man for forty-some years, and his eating habbits still shock her.)
19:34 <aosdict> blue bonnet is margarine
19:34 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: The words on labeles never have anything to do with what people call things.
19:34 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Indeed; what I'm saying is that it doesn't seem to support jonadab's assertion that it's called "butter"
19:34 <jonadab> You also won't find many brand of pop that say "pop" on the label.
19:35 <Pinkbeast> I dunno what people you know but the people I know call stuff "butter" that says "butter" on it and was squeezed out of a cow
19:35 <sodastab> …aaaand nobody over here says "pop" to refer to soda, either
19:35 <jonadab> sodastab: Ok, you won't find many brands of pop that say "soda" on the label.
19:35 <sodastab> but at least calling soda "pop" is not actually misleading
19:35 <aosdict> The image search results I'm getting for blue bonnet products have text on the front like "53% Vegetable Oil Spread"
19:36 <jonadab> On the label it's some ridiculous thing like "recreational carbonated soft drink beverage" or whatnot.
19:36 <sodastab> wut
19:36 <jonadab> Which is not what anyone calls it, anywhere.
19:36 <aosdict> That's not what anyone calls it, but the reason it's there is that's what it actually *is*.
19:36 <bouquet> I think Blue Bonnet is mined in northern ontario.
19:36 <jonadab> "mined", heh.
19:36 <bouquet> by oily gnomes
19:37 <sodastab> I don't have a bottle of any soda handy but… does it say anything of the sort? brand names like "pepsi" and "coke" are so deeply engrained in most people's minds that they don't really need more description
19:37 <sodastab> smaller brands, maybe
19:37 <jonadab> sodastab: Like I said, nobody reads labels.
19:37 <jonadab> Also, Pepsi and Coke might be labeled as cola, not sure.
19:38 <aosdict> sodastab: I think it's a FDA rule or something that the packaging must clearly state what it is without embellishment or advertising
19:38 <sodastab> some store brand might say "cola" or "root beer" or some similar subcategory of soda
19:39 <bouquet> we have a local soda company called Jones Soda that makes a full Thanksgiving spread - turkey soda, mashed potato soda, gravy soda, cranberry soda, etc
19:39 <sodastab> lol
19:39 <bouquet> they roll that shit out every year and people keep buying it.
19:39 <sodastab> I know there's cranberry ginger ale
19:39 <Pinkbeast> bouquet: Oh, like mad crisp flavours over here - we had a selection bag of Christmas crisps, turkey, stuffing, pigs in blankets, Christmas pud, the lot
19:40 <bouquet> that sounds good, actually.
19:40 <sodastab> piles of the big 2L bottles of the stuff were on sale for months after thanksgiving
19:40 <bouquet> "Turkey & Gravy, Mashed Potatoes & Butter, Green Bean Casserole, Cranberry Sauce, Fruitcake"
19:40 <bouquet> official Thanksgiving set.
19:40 <Pinkbeast> Some of the meaty crisp flavours are OK (and suitable for vegans) but the pigs in blankets weren't very convincing
19:41 <sodastab> lays had some weird flavors for a while
19:41 <sodastab> think they're still trying weird ones
19:41 <sodastab> they asked the internet for suggestions
19:41 <sodastab> don't do that
19:41 <Pinkbeast> Ordinary weird flavours are always around here
19:41 <Pinkbeast> ... goatse flavour?
19:42 <aosdict> I admit I've never had fruitcake, but isn't it a Christmas food?
19:42 <sodastab> lets see, I got a picture of a store shelf on my phone somewhere
19:42 <sodastab> "bacon mac & cheese" "cappuccino" "chicken & waffles" "mango salsa" "greek gyro"  ← all lays potato chip flavors
19:42 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Christmas cake is a kind of rich fruitcake, but not the only kind. PS http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/pix/cake/ was ours a few years ago
19:42 <sodastab> think they called it "do us a flavor"
19:43 <sodastab> think it was a similar process that gave the UK a boat named Boaty McBoatFace
19:43 <Pinkbeast> Bacon mac and cheese sounds like a sensible silly crisp flavour, IYSWIM
19:43 <sodastab> yeah "cappuccino" is the weirdest on that list
19:43 <{Demo}4> god i want some bacon mac and cheese
19:43 <K2> soda pop
19:43 * K2 says that often
19:43 <{Demo}4> god i want some chicken and waffles
19:44 <sodastab> I am aware "soda pop" is a word, but it isn't one I would use
19:44 <sodastab> I'd know what is meant by it, anyways
19:44 <jonadab> Cranberry pop, I might buy.  Turkey pop and mashed potato pop, not so much.
19:44 <K2> hah
19:44 <Pinkbeast> I think I say "fizzy drink"
19:44 <K2> aosdict you've never had fruitcake? wtf
19:44 <sodastab> "pop" on its own would be confusing
19:44 <aosdict> "soda" for me
19:44 <sodastab> "soda" here too
19:45 <K2> 'fizzy bubbly' hahah
19:45 <jonadab> sodastab: There are maps of this.  They're... complicated.
19:45 <jonadab> To the point where xkcd recently did a parody of them.
19:45 <jonadab> Which was amusing.  Look it up.
19:45 <sodastab> yeah I saw it
19:45 <Pinkbeast> If aosdict is strictly vegan, fruitcake might be troublesome in a number of ways
19:45 <K2> mmmm xkcd
19:45 <aosdict> Pinkbeast: I'm not vegan
19:45 <sodastab> apparently in some parts of the country if you want water that is not fizzing you must specify "still water"
19:46 <jonadab> I laughed out loud when I saw "Medicine" on the map.  (The real map has "tonic" on it.  I kid you not.)
19:46 <aosdict> as in, water that came from a still?
19:46 <Pinkbeast> Spicy water?
19:46 <sodastab> water that is still, as in not moving
19:46 <sodastab> aka normal water
19:46 <aosdict> antiseltzer
19:46 <K2> water that doesnt catch on fire
19:46 <jonadab> sodastab: Germany.
19:46 <aosdict> I've never heard it called antiseltzer but I'm going to from now on
19:46 <jonadab> Germany is where people get carbonated water and think it's normal and drink it.
19:47 <sodastab> and in the southeastern US if you want tea that is not sweetened you must ask for unsweetened
19:47 <sodastab> most places it's kind of the default to not sweeten it
19:47 <bouquet> Topo Chico is my favorite mineral water. That stuff is weirdly awesome
19:48 <jonadab> There's no reasonable default for tea.  If you want to offer both sweetened and unsweetened, you either have to brew it fresh when it's ordered, or keep both kinds.
19:48 <jonadab> What you MUST NOT do, ever, is stock unsweetened tea and then when somebody orders sweetened, pour sugar into it.
19:48 <sodastab> don't most places keep both kinds?
19:49 <sodastab> well
19:49 <sodastab> having unsweetened iced tea and offering sugar, whether in a shaker or packets, is also common
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:5842
19:49 <jonadab> That's horrible.
19:49 <Pinkbeast> "Have to brew it fresh" is how tea is, since it is of course a hot drink made from the tea plant. :-)
19:49 <sodastab> the state of tea is pretty sad in the US  :<
19:49 <sodastab> is most often iced
19:49 <jonadab> If the sugar isn't mixed in when the tea is brewed, adding it to the already-cold tea is a crime against humanity.
19:49 <sodastab> and is usually Lipton
19:50 <aosdict> I don't really like any sort of tea. (pinkbeast have mercy)
19:50 <Pinkbeast> They did try and make a whole harbour of the stuff, one has to give them credit for that
19:50 <sodastab> (which is probably mostly floor sweepings)
19:50 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Secretly, I almost always prefer coffee :-)
19:50 <jonadab> I like most kinds of tea.  Black, green, oolong, white, herbal, hot, cold, sweetened, unsweetened, ...
19:50 * K2 doesnt drink coffee or tea
19:50 <jonadab> But you can't brew it, then chill it, and THEN add sugar.  That is wrong and bad.
19:51 <K2> bleh to coffee, some tea is ok
19:51 <K2> but no
19:51 <jonadab> Also, I'm one of the seven Americans who routinely puts milk in my tea.
19:51 <sodastab> O_O
19:51 <K2> you're secretly british
19:51 <jonadab> (Which is a universal practice in e.g. England.)
19:51 <sodastab> hopefully only in black tea
19:52 <sodastab> or maybe pu'er
19:52 <jonadab> Black, green, oolang, herbal, ...
19:52 <Pinkbeast> The practice doesn't end at Berwick on Tweed FWIW
19:52 <jonadab> Haven't tried milk in ginger tea.
19:52 <sodastab> milk in oolong or green?
19:52 <K2> YANI: potion of speed == coffee in game
19:52 <jonadab> Oh, yeah.
19:52 <sodastab> ick
19:52 <{Demo}4> the nice thing about being south enough is nobody dares serve sweet tea that isnt sweet enough
19:52 <jonadab> {Demo}4: Wouldn't that be a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature?
19:55 <{Demo}4> it would never reach the courts, would be dealt with other ways
19:56 <sodastab> I know milk oolong is a thing
19:56 <sodastab> a combination of varietal/growing conditions/processing produces a creamy tasting oolong
19:56 <sodastab> dairy is not involved
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20:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:3943
20:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3978
20:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] I hate myself (catthedd) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 37495 points, T:3545, killed by a Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper, while sleeping
20:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5507
20:17 <rebatela> i forgot how heavy orb of fate is (just found bones from a Valk who was on way up w/Amulet) 
20:17 <Pinkbeast> As we said of the Good Beer Guide on a thousand-mile bicycle ride, it's worth its weight in weight
20:18 <PavelB> half damage from all things is pretty neato 
20:18 <rebatela> for sure 
20:18 <PavelB> !whereis rebatela 
20:18 <Beholder> PavelB: rebatela is not playing.
20:20 <rebatela> playing now 
20:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8060
20:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law), 10231 points, T:6040, killed by a black unicorn
20:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:41536
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20:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 122 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:41923
20:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:42422
20:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9278
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20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:42733
20:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:42804
21:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:43371
21:09 <rld> <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG apparently eden's mark can be seen from a distance if you are tiny or smaller, shouldn't it also be visible as medium/large? picturing something on a head, it would make sense that as the creature gets larger it's easier to see at a distance?
21:09 <Beholder> Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @riker.
21:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17455
21:14 <rld> <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG I feel like it should be "unless you are tiny or smaller" to go with "unless you are large or larger", but the wiki and the code agree
21:14 <Beholder> Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @riker.
21:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +3 rustproof greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:17888
21:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:18087
21:45 <rld> <@riker> @carlarc ended up making a PR for andro and a couple other binder spirtis, thanks for noticing masks didn't work for him https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/pull/134
21:46 <{Demo}4> oooh
21:46 <{Demo}4> time to figure out how u broke shit worse
21:46 <{Demo}4> then pull into ndnh
21:46 <K2> [Demo]
21:47 <K2> oops
21:47 <K2> {Demo}4
21:47 <{Demo}4> yeah?
21:47 <K2> you good with converting hexadecimal
21:47 <{Demo}4> sure?
21:47 <K2> i need to add an M2 flag to include/monflag.h
21:48 <{Demo}4> is it full?
21:48 <K2> you know how it goes 1, 2, 4, 8, 10, 20, 40 etc
21:48 <K2> yeah
21:48 <K2> its full
21:49 <{Demo}4> ok that sucks, theres still room in M3
21:49 <K2> bah
21:49 <K2> its a racemask
21:49 <K2> i suppose i could move one of the higher ones to M3
21:49 <{Demo}4> or be like Chris and refactor it all
21:50 <{Demo}4> you could add your own racemask field and move all the race stuff over to that
21:50 <K2> i saw how AntiGulp did it
21:51 <K2> that is a chore to say the least
21:51 <{Demo}4> "/* Monster races -- must stay within ROLE_RACEMASK */
21:51 <{Demo}4> /* Eventually this may become its own field */"
21:51 <K2> yup
21:51 <{Demo}4> even the DT things its the right call
21:51 <K2> hopefully the devteam just looks at what she did and roles with it
21:51 <{Demo}4> haha
21:51 <K2> i know i know
21:52 <{Demo}4> i really like what chris did, but chris is crazy
21:52 <K2> well.. arent we all at least a lil bit
21:52 * K2 sighs
21:52 <{Demo}4> yeah
21:52 <K2> ok. gonna do the hard right vs easy wrong
21:52 <K2> refactor time
21:53 <rld> <@riker> demo: thoughts on my PR if you have time?
21:53 <rld> <@riker> did I mess up my reasoning for eden's thingy? (see wiki entry)
21:53 <rld> <@riker> I'm pretty sure simurgh and andro are right at least
21:54 <{Demo}4> you moved dunstan
21:54 <{Demo}4> everywhere else he is in the dunstan spot in alphabetical order
21:55 <rld> <@riker> what
21:55 <rld> <@riker> is that why shiro was under D
21:55 <{Demo}4> https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/commit/ae430ae6482765f8b34ae6d895aa9e2e5aa45fc6#diff-30024450541e0c303fc19fb4b7395e25L1861
21:55 <{Demo}4> yes
21:55 <rld> <@riker> wait hold up who is dunstan
21:56 <{Demo}4> the spirit that was replaced with shiro
21:56 <rld> <@riker> well I mean yea
21:56 <{Demo}4> i dont remember
21:56 <rld> <@riker> but who was dunstan? I know shiro was from zelda
21:56 <{Demo}4> i looked into it about a year ago
21:56 <{Demo}4> or more than that now when i was making acu role
21:56 <rld> <@riker> whatever it's good enough for right now
21:57 <rld> <@riker> shiro is shiro at this point anyway
21:57 <{Demo}4> it probably doesnt matter, but its cool lore
21:57 <rld> <@riker> if every weird design decision that was later retconned stayed in the code, it would be like 33% messier than right now
21:57 <{Demo}4> uhh. id argue that the code is kind of like that
21:57 <rld> <@riker> exactly why it's only 33%
21:58 <rld> <@riker> if you removed it all it would likely be 33% cleaner
21:59 <{Demo}4> hmm i think im gonna ice this until chris gives feedback cause i have no idea
21:59 <K2> thank <insert deity of choice here> for the search/replace function in nano
22:01 <{Demo}4> hmm the todo backlist for ndnh is full of stuff i dont feel like doing
22:01 <Pinkbeast> mv TODO NOTTODO
22:02 <{Demo}4> fun fact: dnh still hasnt fixed the vorpal blade bug
22:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:48358
22:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Val (Ktown) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 28802 points, T:3009, died of starvation, while fainted from lack of food
22:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Quick (catthedd) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4270 points, T:7, escaped
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22:41 <rld> <@riker> demo: the kicking one? make a PR, that'll add it to chris's obvious list to fix
22:43 <K2> omg
22:43 <K2> src/monst.c
22:43 <K2> i need a drink
22:43 <K2> ... better grab 2
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23:07 <K2> 1/3 of the way done with monst.c
23:07 <K2> at this rate it'll take about an hour or a bit more to finish this file heh
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23:13 <aosdict> NUMMONS = 381 :P
23:13 <aosdict> so you've hit 127 I guess
23:13 <K2> yeah
23:13 <K2> i tried squeezing in a 33rd M2 flag
23:13 <aosdict> an auspicious number
23:14 <K2> it would compile but there were some really odd warnings
23:14 <aosdict> uh you can't just squeeze a 33rd bit in
23:14 <K2> i found that out ;)
23:15 <aosdict> really, this reflagging/refactor should be done in a branch on someone's fork of vanilla, so that anyone else who wants to grab it has an easy commit to pull from
23:15 <K2> my refactor isnt the same as AntiGulps
23:15 <K2> there are some differences
23:16 <K2> she pulled over undead, werecreatures, demons as playable races. i am not
23:16 <K2> which is significant when you get into artifacts and warning of certain monaters, etc
23:16 <K2> *monsters
23:18 <K2> she basically changed everything that was mflags2 to mhflags, I am not, so its a bit different ;)
23:18 <K2> well, every monster that was mflags2
23:18 <K2> ^ more correct
23:23 <K2> hmm... now that I think about it, maybe i should as well
23:24 <K2> i'll have another look after I get through monst.c
23:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:20419
23:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] whmn (catthedd) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the wizard of I hate myself, the former Conjurer, on T:4779
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