00:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] LittleBilly (Val Hum Fem Neu), 604 points, T:1445, killed by a werejackal 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] LittleBilly (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1812 points, T:2626, killed by a gnome king 00:34 <@luxidream> Git gugged 00:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4291 points, T:4517, killed by a rock mole, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:27 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:39735 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 993 points, T:1103, killed by an elf zombie 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:6 02:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:42929 02:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:43475 02:17 <@carlarc> some good artifacts 02:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4067 points, T:2263, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a potion 03:05 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] carlarc (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:561 04:07 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:08 <@carlarc> hmm 04:08 <@carlarc> xnh rangers start with beartraps, but they're made of iron and elves don't start with gloves 04:08 <@carlarc> so they hurt to use 04:08 <@carlarc> that's annoying 04:12 <@carlarc> "When you drop a container on an altar, you will see colored flashes corresponding to its contents one level deep. This beatitude-identifies all of the contained objects." who did this, this is wonderful 04:34 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] carlarc (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1223 points, T:3111, killed by a jaguar 04:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5084 05:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Kni Hum Mal Law) was given Rhongomyniad, on T:6010 05:32 @carlac: yes, one of my favorite variant features. acehack had it, unnethack has it too iirc, but no idea who came up with it originally. 05:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:59 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "-", on T:3460 06:09 attie, @carlac it was first in acehack. IIRC ais himself came up with it. 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a hill orc corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:4505 06:28 -!- j has joined #hardfought 06:28 -!- j is now known as Guest60815 06:28 * attie praises ais 06:29 -!- Guest60815 is now known as rebatela 06:34 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:52 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:57 @carlarc the elven ranger beartrap thing is a bug and the fix requires a larger trap overhaul that requires a savebreak. 06:57 attie: Personally I copied FIQHack's implementation of that. 07:21 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:22 hi 07:22 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 07:23 fh's implementation expanded on it marginally (wording-wise) 07:24 otherwise it's the same as in nethack4 07:24 which in turn has had it sinc acehack 07:24 *since 07:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8575 07:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:9586 07:52 morning 07:53 congrats bouquet on your xnethack asc 08:10 You kill the tengu! Kaablamm! You hear an explosion in the distance! 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13266 08:14 the experience i made playing xnh were great so far. it just feels so good that when you die, you only have to blame yourself 08:14 and that's great 08:19 instead of feeling helpless about losing, you can reflect on it and improve 08:19 did @luxidream ragequit nethack yesterday btw? 08:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:14162 08:31 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:31 !lastgame Luxidream 08:31 aosdict: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1548960129.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 08:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:16212 08:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:16761 08:49 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 08:52 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 08:57 bhaak 08:57 these cookies are still here from yesterday 08:57 wtf 08:57 we use cookies to track you 08:59 <{Demo}1> he doesn't have poison res so he won't eat them 09:00 well then 09:00 i'll just have to eat them myself. again 09:01 ragequit after mmf? 09:02 a pity that they are more likely to appear in the current 3.6.2-dev 09:02 minesflayer that is 09:03 remind me briefly why? 09:03 <{Demo}1> makeclass bad, stenno good 09:03 they changed mkclass 09:03 a few weeks ago, iirc you even showed me the link :D 09:04 i am not sure if the devteam fully grasped how mkclass works 09:04 "create_particular long worm tail vs mkclass"? 09:04 <{Demo}1> link? 09:04 sec 09:05 aosdict, https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/0fe6a731dff521a7dd1c1a9f3c36d5438d24c22e 09:05 no, "Fix #H2204 - mkclass() mon selection distribution" 09:05 {Demo}1, ^ 09:05 yes, thats the one 09:05 i dont see woodchucks there... 09:05 fail 09:05 oh well there's also the ~~xnethack mkclass fix~~ 09:06 :P 09:06 without getting too much into details, there were certain situations in the old version which would make it impossible for (m)mf to spawn with a certain XL/DL (i think DL3/XL1 wouldn't ever span minesflayers) 09:06 and this limitation is gone now 09:07 <{Demo}1> jesus 09:07 <{Demo}1> I don't trust xnh mkclass 09:07 <{Demo}1> rare, out of range monsters are part of the challenge anyway 09:07 <{Demo}1> but minesflayers are unacceptable 09:08 imo _randomly generated_ OOD monsters shouldn't be part of the challenge 09:08 it's been like that forever though, no? slight slight chance that the random h is a mf? 09:08 {Demo}1: the xnh mkclass fix is literally just removing a rn2(2) call lol 09:08 rebatela, as i said, XL1/DL3 => no chance of minesflayer 09:08 (in the old mkclass) 09:08 same thing with the purple L or whatever at castle.. it's been ike that as long as I can remember 09:09 i've kind of accepted that that's the game 09:09 oh i see. so they changed it and made it worse? lol 09:09 time for you to come back to xnh again, where the purple L will only spawn if you're actually high level enough to put them in-difficulty 09:10 i agree that OOD monsters add to the challenge . just my opinion though. and like i said, I've never known any different 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:47240 09:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47241 09:10 ais argued the same thing 09:11 rebatela, the change they were making was not to fix minesflayer though to be fair 09:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1952 points, T:1459, killed by a gnome lord, while frozen by a potion 09:11 oh i see. side effect 09:11 yeah maybe they just yolo-refactored this 09:12 it's much simpler to grasp now 09:12 but the problem is, they're out of difficulty for a reason. you can contrive any number of scenarios where tossing in an out of difficulty monster spells certain death for a player 09:12 <{Demo}1> depends how out of depth 09:12 i also never dfv so maybe that's why it doesn't bother me 09:12 <{Demo}1> and in what part of the game 09:13 i stand by my point that randomly-generated OOD is never good and also doesn't add to the challenge 09:13 and i am glad that xnh doesn't have randomly-generated OOD 09:13 you DO like to dig to the castle though, right? 09:13 <{Demo}1> do 3.6.2 shapeshifters or perma polyd monsters even care about depth? 09:14 {Demo}1, no not in vanilla 09:14 rebatela, yes, thats an actual challenge 09:14 well not if you can't face the monsters because they are "out of depth" 09:14 <{Demo}1> isn't a goblin drinking a potion of polymorph and turning into an arch lich a bit bigger a problem that the castle L being purple and not red? 09:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:15 {Demo}1: I mean, I fixed all those cases too. 09:15 rebatela, purple L is a slightly different problem: those are supposed to only generate randomly in gehennom 09:16 i just don't see how it's out of depth if they aren't changing it. it's clearly the game at this point ? 09:16 The only place you can encounter out of difficulty monsters in xnethack now is in bones files. 09:16 rebatela: the game generates monsters that it considers by its own rules to be "toostrong" 09:17 and then it might still randomly pick a toostrong monster because shrug emoji 09:17 <{Demo}1> did you fix the gnome picking up a wand of death and killing you problem aos? 09:17 {Demo}1: Actually, just remembered that for some reason in vanilla, monsters using polymorph items *on themselves* keeps them in-difficulty. For some arbitrary reason. 09:17 <{Demo}1> not really 09:18 <{Demo}1> that can happen on dlvl 1 09:18 <{Demo}1> where as poly traps aren't a think until 7? 09:18 8 09:18 No, the polymorph result is kept in difficulty, whereas a polytrap will not respect difficulty. 09:18 <{Demo}1> yes 09:18 <{Demo}1> because by dlvl 8 you should be ready 09:19 ready to face an arch-lich or dragon or master mind flayer? 09:19 ready to face any random monster? 09:19 that 09:19 <{Demo}1> well why else would they make that the case? 09:19 <{Demo}1> if they don't expect you to be ready for that 09:20 because the devteam by no means carefully plans out the effects of their actions 09:20 <{Demo}1> that couldn't possibly be it :P 09:20 and specifically the balance implications 09:21 for balance stuff, you _need_ expert player feedback imo 09:21 too bad patr disregards expert opinions because most of the experts also play variants :v 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:178 09:31 eh 09:32 i have difficulties talking bad about patr because for most of the time, he was the _only_ person of the devteam who would sometimes respond to anything 09:32 so i hold him in high regard 09:33 and without knowing any internals, i assume that patr is part of the progressives inside the devteam 09:33 i just think that similiarly to how orctown makes it so that the protection racket backfires sometimes, out of depth monsters you aren't expecting can make digging down backfire similarly 09:34 idk 09:34 they are not comparable imo 09:34 because most strategies can handle L by the time they reach the castle 09:34 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 31483 points, T:1347, killed by a fire ant 09:34 stennowork: based on commits we've seen, I have the opposite impression, because he hasn't ever really done anything since before 3.6.0 except fix bugs 09:35 <@luxidream> let’s say you fall down a trapdoor, hit castle 09:35 <@luxidream> you are now off the upstairs and an arch lich is summoning nasties around you 09:35 I get the impression that he likes nethack gameplay just the way it was in 3.4.3 and thinks it's feature-complete 09:36 <@luxidream> it could even teleport to you and cast touch of death 09:36 TBF, many said so in the 3.4.3 period 09:37 "the devteam made one hell of a game and it's finished" 09:37 <@luxidream> “Lol get MR noob” is not applicable since that’s probably why you’re going to castle in the first place 09:37 every variant developer would disagree of course 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 624 points, T:1040, killed by a wand 09:39 3.4.3-NAO has shown how crappy vanilla 3.4.3 is 09:39 or rather, how much better it could be 09:39 I'm sure I've said this before but it doesn't appear like the devteam has any sort of vision for the future 09:40 luckily we have the progressive variant devs in the team now :) 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:74 09:40 !asc karnac 09:40 stennowork: [hdf-us] karnac has not ascended in 2011 games. 09:40 stennowork: right, that's why I said 3.4.3 gameplay. UI enhancements and bugfixes don't count 09:40 aosdict, gotcha 09:42 @luxidream to be fair, "DL1 trapdoor go directly to castle do not pass go do not collect 200 zorkmids" is probably a death sentence even disregarding L. 09:42 and it never happens 09:42 bigroom would be less problematic if it wasn't for trapdoors 09:43 But yeah, "Lol get MR noob" because there might be a L that can cast Touch of Death. Only on here (IRC) have i ever heard that they aren't "supposed" be there 09:43 rebatela: I consider "a game ending effect happens a tiny but nonzero amount of time, and is therefore negligible" to be fallacious 09:43 IIRC the trap door fall is not limited 09:43 "happens a nonzero amount of time" should in itself be enough not to neglect it 09:43 rebatela, i am brutally calling minesflayer and purple L at castle a bug 09:43 I guess unless you cross dungeon branch boundaries 09:43 because they get generated when they shouldn't 09:44 so it's an oversight? 09:44 or they don't know how to fix it? 09:44 not that they don't want to ? 09:44 rebatela: This all ultimately comes down to your opinion of game balance: is it do you consider it balanced if the game can _ever_ randomly decide "Yep, here's an effect that'll functionally end your game with no recourse"? 09:44 yeah. It's just how I've always known the game to be. poison insteadeath etc 09:44 s/is it// 09:45 the chance to fall deeper than 5 levels is ~0.1% 09:45 and I knew that someone in unnethack fell as far as they got the YAFM for that 09:46 even falling 5 levels from dungeon level 1 is (likely) fata 09:46 fatal* 09:46 and it's the same thing with that. you NEED poison resistance as soon as possible. And below DL7 you do eveyrthing you can do have MR or unchanging etc 09:46 (how i play at least) 09:47 BUT like I was saying, i don't play for turn count obviously. I'm not in the same league as you guys 09:47 polytraps aren't game-endingly bad, at least, they're just annoying. 09:47 Poison or GWTWOD, yes. 09:47 priest or monk with a robe isn't game-ending, but it's close lol 09:47 rebatela, it's not considered a bug by the devteam 09:47 which? 09:48 (minesflayer/purple L) 09:48 the L at the castle? 09:48 oh ok 09:48 neither 09:48 (the reason they appear is the same though) 09:48 But the way it's coded is unintentional and now it's a feature? 09:48 i don't think it's unintentional 09:48 actually i am not really sure 09:49 well, it's intentional 09:49 what do you mean when you say you are brutally calling it a bug then ? 09:49 i am calling it a bug 09:49 the devteam doesn't 09:49 lol right on 09:49 much to my dismay 09:49 The way it's coded is that it looks at monsters in increasing order of difficulty, and while it normally stops at the last in-difficulty monster it 50% of the time chooses to break through and take the next out-of-difficulty monster (then this 50% gets repeated for the next, etc) 09:50 my fix was simply to remove that chance 09:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law), 718 points, T:1777, killed by a wand 09:51 yeah it creates a pool of all possible monsters with that method, and then picks a random one from the list, with less chance of a high-level monster being generated 09:51 with some special thingies 09:51 i should rewrite my mkclass spoiler to accomodate for the latest changes 09:51 I don't think that randomly generated out-of-difficulty monsters couldn't be _made_ to work, but it would take a ton of special casing 09:51 it's much easier to follow and explain now 09:56 <@luxidream> aosdict: worse is falling from mines:1 to mine’s end 09:56 there is a critical mines depth: 8, because then we might get polytraps 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1618 points, T:1804, killed by a dwarf 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:20072 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20147 10:12 -!- vpro has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:21794 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:22385 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2437 points, T:2114, killed by a rope golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:03 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:11 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1090 points, T:2106, killed by a dwarf 11:16 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:44130 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:44131 11:22 what even is this 11:22 https://github.com/msearle5/slicehack/commit/ca4ce833e07d387d54165fae99771c1fa794f62d 11:23 someone likes to bitshift 11:24 Does C not have binary literals 11:24 top quality clean and understandable code right there 11:28 i cant tell if this is sarcasm 11:28 having a sheldon moment 11:29 PavelB: it doesn't have binary literals but GCC supports 0b0101011 etc, according to https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18244726 11:31 > insufficient utility 11:32 they have a point, hex constants are the same but more compact 11:35 they're not the same. 11101010 is much clearer which bits it's setting than EA 11:37 ok but... if you do your constants properly, you don't really need to have a readable expression that flips the 7th bit 11:40 Well, if you have 7 different flags 11:42 Hey, did the original Dudley's Dungeon site (the one at nicolaas.net) go offline? 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:44764 11:44 From what I heard it's been offline for years but I've never actually visited it so 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence (5 times), on T:44831 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2596308 points, T:44865, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/nh361/dumplog/1548647987.nh361.txt 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1042 points, T:1355, killed by a rope golem 11:53 grats 11:53 grouchy marx 12:04 why do I only find magic lamps in my wizmode testing games 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger on an altar, on T:3298 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a lich, on T:3305 12:23 aosdict, btw did you change base price for magic marker too? 12:23 not that I recall 12:25 could consider that tbh 12:25 it's worth much more than 50zm :P 12:28 first let's put the kibosh on a bunch of roles starting with one for no good reason 12:28 kibosh? 12:29 sounds yiddish 12:29 probably 12:29 https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=kibosh 12:30 interesting 12:35 aosdict: do you have any thoughts on polytraps? xnh is pretty good at preventing you from randomly being fucked for no reason, and prevents polytraps from generating too difficult monsters, but it still sucks to randomly have your armor nuked, become helpless for a long time, or get system shocked when *you* step on one 12:35 system shock is fairly negligible for actual death since most players would have enough hp by then 12:37 becoming helpless is if you turn into something with no hands to throw weapons upward until you die, right? so you're left to either let monsters surround you and nibble you back to human form, or wait it out? 12:40 * PavelB is mostly still salty about losing his SDSM 12:43 -!- stennowork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15021 13:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1308 points, T:1332, killed by a magic missile 13:12 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:14 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] gatherer (Rog Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3823 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:281 13:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] carlarc (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:6 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (priest), on T:1144 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 341 points, T:1242, killed by a sewer rat, while reading a book 13:30 <@luxidream> lol wtf 13:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:32 karnac, the new merpish 13:32 !lastgame Karnac 13:32 aosdict: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Karnac/nh361/dumplog/1549044551.nh361.txt 13:33 hoping for a book teleport maybe? 13:33 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:16186 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 309 points, T:829, killed by a rabid rat 13:34 after genociding himself? 13:34 alright! let's get this onto a tray 13:34 nice 13:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 388 points, T:957, killed by an iguana 13:35 * aosdict finishes extracting new features from slicehack 13:36 * LarienTelrunya feels that she could bet actual money that aosdict didn't pull the one feature slex did (the lemmings) :D 13:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 205 points, T:314, killed by a sewer rat 13:37 well actually I also pulled a bunch of object appearances from slice 13:37 if only I could contact msearle5, I'd bundle(bundlebundlebundlebundlebundle) him every day to make up more of those 13:38 Object appearances? 13:40 hallu object appearances 13:40 <@carlarc> early ranger, should i keep my +2 elven cloak or use a cloak of displacement i found 13:40 So like "frayed cloak", "moist towelette", "ratty fleece", and "horrible Christmas sweater" for cloaks? 13:40 <@luxidream> depends on your ac 13:40 Or do they not need to be for specific kinds of objects? 13:45 "pair of loose wet burlap socks", "thong of woven thorns", "supercooled long johns", "amulet of inanity", and "that thing your aunt gave you that you don't know what it is"? 13:45 jonadab: just in case objnam.c didn't have enough lines... 13:45 https://github.com/msearle5/slicehack/blob/splat/src/objnam.c#L88 13:45 jonadab: damn you, now I need to put some of those into slex :P 13:45 also, I actually meant real object appearances in objects.c 13:47 "potion of acai berry essential oil" 13:47 slice has a bunch of those, especially because it re-themed certain object classes and I found their new randomized appearances to fit for vanilla item classes too 13:47 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 130 points, T:747, killed by a large mimic 13:48 it re-themed certain object classes? 13:48 I went through all the commits and didn't see anything that drastic 13:48 YANI: someone should implement hallumons tiles. 13:48 oh, then that's probably only in the other branch 13:49 xygos or whatever weird name he gave to that branch 13:49 Why is BRITHACK conditional those are good 13:49 oh great, another slew of commits to steal from 13:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:49 but what's the point of "xygos" being a different branch 13:50 more drastic changes? 13:50 anyway I still need to go through them all because there are at LEAST more YAFMs in it 13:50 brithack? now without the EU? 13:51 from slice objnam.c 13:55 * PavelB eagerly awaits xnh push 13:56 I was getting a _little_ worried about having all these commits on only one machine so I got my friend to set up git on his home server just so I have some modicum of backup :D 13:57 aosdict: "Real men don't need backups. Real men just upload their important data to ftp and let the world mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds 13:58 PavelB: also for probably over half of the slice commits I changed behavior whether it was in a large or small way 13:58 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:59 that sounds harder than pushing to gh on a seperate branch but ok 13:59 <{Demo}1> what 13:59 PavelB: I have a lot of commits named things like REEEEBAAAAASSSEEEEEE because they're not substantive enough for their own commit and I intend to squash them into one later 13:59 <{Demo}1> why is aos saying what he is 14:00 because words form in my brain and go down my fingers to my keyboard where they bounce into the internet 14:01 <{Demo}1> ur talking like u made slicehack 14:01 well I didn't 14:02 <{Demo}1> maybe I can't read 14:02 Anyway, it looks like Xygos is a seperate branch because it's intended to be kinda a seperate game: Move from NH and Splice's high fantasy theme to apocalyptic scifi 14:02 but a lot of splice commits I only wanted to take part of it, or I thought it could be implemented in a better way, or I felt that some behavior was unbalanced for what I'm aiming for, so I changed stuff 14:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1168 points, T:2485, killed by a killer bee 14:13 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 30496 points, T:8027, killed by a vampire 14:15 <@luxidream> !asc karnac 14:15 @luxidream: [hdf-us] karnac has not ascended in 2080 games. 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 417 points, T:790, killed by a wererat 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3326 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:23612 14:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:23 You see here a cursed silver saber named Grayswandir (for sale, 42668 zorkmids). 14:23 ^^^ karnac 14:24 steal it 14:24 s/he didn't. 14:25 thats an artifact worth killing a shopkeeper for 14:25 cursed -2, and it's karnac 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 390 points, T:649, killed by a magic missile 14:25 and it's over 14:26 drank hallu, attacked the shopkeeper 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2941 points, T:3332, killed by a soldier ant 14:26 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 6790 points, T:2251, killed by an ape 14:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 0 points, T:9, killed by a fox 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] gatherer (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 4443 points, T:7256, killed by a watch captain 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:63500 14:40 ... there's a graveyard missing it looks like 14:40 oh wait 14:41 <{Demo}1> u killed it? 14:42 it's a bones level, almost certainly 14:43 ooh valley bones 14:48 oh good lord 14:49 <@carlarc> valley can have bones? 14:49 yup 14:49 I'm going to be processing this bones level for the rest of the weekend it looks like 14:49 heh 14:50 OCD in full effect 14:50 sort everything by type 14:50 well at least there's a BoH most likely 14:52 and indeed there is, and it's still blessed! 14:52 well, that saves time 14:53 awesome 14:54 Karnac's bones, anyway - Orb of Fate, Magicbane, Eyes of The Overworld 14:55 no eye of the aethiopica, alas 14:55 you neutral? 14:55 ah yes 14:55 \o/ 14:57 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] JohnKeel (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 144 points, T:550, killed by a falling rock 15:00 wand of death, wand of polymorph, *two* wands of wishing, bunch of magic armour and rings I haven't identified yet 15:02 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:03 and the punchline: You read: "Karnac, killed by a blue jelly". 15:04 lol wut 15:05 Who is this Karnac fellow 15:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:07 well, I'm going to check the dumplog 15:10 -!- oh6 has quit [] 15:10 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:11 Karnac has played here a lot of the last few months 15:11 just another player but i think they've only popped into irc once 15:13 why is he so memeworthy then 15:13 they seem to be playing with a 343 options file 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:24968 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] JohnKeel (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 259 points, T:1151, killed by a small mimic 15:14 <@John Keel> I really ought to drink a potion if I'm about to die 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] JohnKeel (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:70, killed by a sewer rat 15:15 <@John Keel> oh no I'm getting worse 15:15 tourist will do that to you 15:18 supposedly this GDSM is +6 15:18 maybe karnac is trying to leave everyone nice bones files? 15:18 <@carlarc> wow, zero points 15:18 <@carlarc> impressive 15:19 <@carlarc> karnac is noteworthy because he plays a lot and he dies a !lo! 15:19 PavelB: Well, xygos was mostly a bust in terms of actual nethack features, so looks like it's merge slicehack branch into master time 15:19 <@carlarc> !lot!* 15:19 <@John Keel> dlvl 1 I spotted an altar, walked towards it, and triggered a monster summoning trap 15:19 <@John Keel> two rats killed me while I was blind 15:19 <@carlarc> nice 15:21 so now that discord has spoiler syntax I wonder how it interacts over rld 15:21 ||can someone send over a spoiler please|| 15:22 maybe it rot13s it 15:22 <@carlarc> lmao 15:22 <@carlarc> ||snape kills dumblredore|| 15:22 welp fail 15:22 <@carlarc> that was a spoier 15:22 <@carlarc> in both versions 15:22 <@carlarc> oh shame 15:22 Even the pipe characters pass through 15:22 How maintains rld? 15:22 rot13 would be a nice way to convert it to text <-- @mtf any way to do that it would be cool 15:23 *Who (well, mtf I guess) 15:23 <@carlarc> i doubt theres's an easy way to do it 15:23 rot13 tho 15:23 <@carlarc> though you could maybe !rot13 |spoiler| so both discord and irc can't see it 15:24 oh yeah rld to discord wouldn't work great 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2664 points, T:3920, killed by a human zombie 15:25 anyway it's not like anyone seriously talks about spoilers of any significance in nethack channels 15:26 we sometimes venture off topoic 15:26 the butler did it 15:26 You know, "the butler did it" is such an iconic thing I don't even know what it's a spoiler *for* 15:27 spock dies / he's already dead / the ship sinks / it's his sled 15:28 where does darth vader come into it 15:28 <@Tone> mtf hosts the rld bot but doesn't maintain the code, it's from github 15:28 wait, what's "the ship sinks" a spoiler for? titanic? 15:28 i heard that "Luke I am your father" isn't the actual line 15:29 It's apparantly off a bit 15:29 <@Tone> Titanic? 15:29 "no I am your father" iirc 15:30 oh yeah, "you killed my father [or something like that]" / "no I *am* your father" 15:31 "he told me enough, he told me you killed him" "no I am your father" ? 15:31 hello my name is luke skywalker. you killed my father. prepare to die 15:31 yeah, Titanic 15:31 XD 15:31 oh6: but how is that supposed to be a spoiler 15:31