00:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4500 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5877 00:23 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15181 00:26 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 00:40 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:45 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10196 01:09 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 8857514 points, T:73413, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Disruptor/slashem/dumplog/1548112817.slashem.txt 01:11 <@carlarc> grats! 01:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:18 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9657 01:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 37728 points, T:8871, killed by Ms. Matagami, the shopkeeper 01:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:06 [hdf-us] [un] jailbird (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:6890 02:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:15019 03:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:21 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 04:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:22 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4933 04:28 !tell AntiGulp how is "moldy potato" a slex monster, there is no slex monster by that name :P 04:28 I'm on it, LarienTelrunya. 04:32 I have no idea what context is, but maybe you should remedy this deficiency! 04:32 yeah but what attacks and other stats would a "moldy potato" monster have? 04:33 mm... type F, 1HP, passive attack only: sprays mildly-poisonous spores if hit with a blunt weapon 04:33 its corpse is poisonous. 04:34 grows potato plants if the corpse is left alone on a lit square for more than 1000 turns? 04:36 hmm I'm leaning more towards making it a %-class monster (which is appropriately named "bad food" even!) 04:36 oh, well if you have a class %! 04:36 (haven't played slex yet) 04:36 you could make a potato cycle 04:37 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Evil_food 04:37 potato (food), after an egg-timeout, turns into moldy potato and escapes from your knapsack 04:37 moldy potato, when hit, just splits into more moldy potatoes like pudding 04:38 and grows up into potato plant on lit squares 04:38 if you kill a potato plant, it leaves behind potatoes (the food) 04:39 wow so they made the bad food monster class for SLASH'EM and put just a measly 3 species in it... yeah definitely need to add the moldy potato to that team :D 04:39 with less than 1HP, moldy potatoes should probably just disappear with no corpse 04:39 do they even spawn randomly in SLASH'EM? 04:39 apparently they don't... 04:40 heh, if the moldy potatoes were to have only 1 HP, would they even be able to split? 04:40 yeah no they'd have to start out with a bit more in that case 04:40 I'm just making it up as I go along :D 04:42 oh I didn't mention, they'd obviously be sessile 04:42 I like the trade-off, that if you see a moldy potato on a lit square, you have to consider whether to take the poison spore damage now or risk the more powerful potato plant later 04:43 (it'd have to be an early-game thing though) 04:45 the message for potatoes turning moldy should be something like "Your potato grew moldy! Yuck! You drop it in disgust" to explain how a potato can escape 04:46 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 04:46 oh and bonus, if a potato gets exposed to fire effects, it turns into a baked potato, which gives more nutrition and won't turn moldy 04:46 now you've made me hungry 04:47 man I'm looking forward to the fries I'm gonna be eating tonight :D 04:47 I'm not even planning potatoes (but meat pie) 04:48 I see a sensible use for a cursed scroll of light 04:48 keep moldy potato plants from growing 04:48 oh, nice! 04:48 see, integrates wonderfully :D 04:49 EPI: new monster called the anti-gremlin, can multiply whenever it's in a lit square. And the darkness effect from the cursed scroll of light instakills them. 04:49 or is that a YASI? 04:50 it becomes not-evil if its attack also grants you intrinsics :D 04:51 "The anti-gremlin hits you! You feel like a rabble-rouser. Hachi bites you! The priestess of Amaterasu Omikami casts a spell at you!" 04:51 yeah it's not pure good 04:51 but not pure evil either 04:52 at that point it's surely more silly than anything 04:52 actually, YANI: why is the "healing" spell used by spellcaster monsters so weak later on? shouldn't it scale so that a high-level spellcaster can heal a lot of damage with one cast? 04:54 omg am I reading the source right, it only ever heals 3d6 HP? most endgame characters deal more than that per swing 05:01 Well, it works that way for players too. 05:01 not in slex, I made the spell scale with your experience and spell skill level :D 05:01 Ah 05:02 I'm reminded of several monsters in the Dragon Quest games that will cast healing spells on monsters that hadn't been hit yet 05:04 heh, that in turn reminds me of several pokemon in the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series that will use moves to cure status effects they aren't actually suffering from 05:05 mm~ 05:09 Evil Patch idea: using a unicorn horn now takes 4 turns, and only after those turns are over the game decides whether your ailments are cured or not. It can either be interrupted, making it impossible to use in combat, or not, in which case the helpless player is battered by the monsters for 4 turns. Not sure which alternative is more evil :D 05:10 You hold your unicorn horn aloft. Demogorgon stings you! You die from your illness. 05:10 Probably depends on what you're fighting 05:10 If it's a gnomish wizard, maybe not so bad 05:16 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1900 points, T:7126, killed by a quasit, while praying 05:20 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:38 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 06:04 LarienTelrunya, Yet Another Potato Idea: being exposed to fire multiple times makes it go through multiple stages, potato -> baked potato (yummy, lots of nutrition) -> extremely crispy potato (a bit less of both) -> charred lump (inedible & otherwise useless) 06:05 heh, I'd have made the charred one edible, but with undesirable side effects ;) 06:07 man now you really made me hungry though :P 06:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:25 doesn't eating charcoal give you constipation? no idea how you'd translate that to nethack though 06:26 you probably *don't* want to implement the various digestive issues that could affect your character 06:26 haven't eaten any fruit/veg in 10k turns? scurvy. ate a rotten ration? diarrhea. 06:27 Constantly 06:27 that's not even particularly evil, that's just an Awful Patch Idea That Nobody Wanted 06:28 well, slash'em has toilets so 06:28 hah 06:28 eating a raw corpse has a small chance of giving you toxoplasmosis 06:28 (permanently slows your speed by a little) 06:29 slex actually has diarrhea, but it does nothing as long as the player isn't satiated 06:30 it should give a small increase in levels fallen down through a trapdoor, because your bottom is more slippery 06:30 >.< 06:31 ew :/ 06:31 wtf 06:31 let's stop talking about this maybe 06:31 lmao 06:48 hmm would be nice to see in DGL which users are using the hterm 06:48 i guess it's technically possible but it would require some nasty tight coupling 06:48 then again dgl is _probably_ just a mess anyway 07:00 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:19 ooh, patr fixed the shade hitting inconsistencies 07:19 cool 07:20 aosdict might disagree with you there ;) 07:20 but yeah... and they worked in to an extent descriptive hit messages too 07:21 what were the inconsistencies? 07:23 I reported a while back that items hitting shades or undead only had a few special cases for hitting, rather than working consistently and intuitively 07:23 for example, boots with kicking attacks, helmets with headbutt attacks, gloves/rings with "claw" attacks and similar, wasn't properly accounted for in all circumstances 07:23 bleh 07:51 K2: the actual bugfix I'm fine with. the ton of additional code he added that special-cased silver as a material and cared soooo much about making sure you print "silver rings" if you're wearing two of them, I'm not. 07:57 argh that was an accident 07:58 Silly cats, always getting in the way. Ours got kicked down the hallway so many times... 07:58 (with an overflowing fountain when I wanted to dilute a poiton 07:58 ) 07:58 Oh 07:58 I guess cats don't like water. What were we diluting on turn 8 though? 07:58 levitation 07:58 hm 07:59 never do that with a potion 07:59 oh and invisibility 08:10 cat brought it from the shop! 08:11 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:21 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 08:33 I actually cast cure blindness just now to cure my blindness! 08:33 usually I only sell or blank the book and let it time out 08:34 (I'll let it time out, of course, by the time it has I'll probably have a unihorn or at least a carrot or a potion of healing) 08:46 It adds 99 to the weight of anything put into it. 08:46 lol 08:47 should have asked for -99 I suppose 08:48 Mm 08:48 The bag of holding floats out of your grasp like a helium balloon! 08:48 You tie the balloon of holding to your wrist. 08:49 You tie the balloon of holding to your wrist. You tie the balloon of holding to your wrist. Up, up and away! You're walking on air! 08:49 See you 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 181 points, T:988, killed by a gecko 08:58 morning morning (proper) 08:58 its 3.6.2 patch monday 08:58 lets see what we have 09:02 * aosdict checks github 09:02 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 09:02 is 55fdfb9 the devteam's attempt at preventing the pellsson exploit? 09:03 because it doesn't seem like it would work very well, it only closes off one of the many paths for zero-turn rng advancement 09:04 all you would need to do is get hallucinating 09:04 baby steps perhaps 09:05 one exploit at a time 09:07 <@luxidream> So wall bumping no longer advances RNG? 09:08 0-turn RNG advancing wasn't exactly the problem tbf 09:08 So much for the TAS not being made on drugs. 09:11 K2: by the way, any plans for how junethack is going to address the RNG exploits? {Demo}1 outlined how you can use them to cheat not very much, but enough that you can win consistently without causing any suspicion. 09:12 assuming the devteam fixes the seed size or something, xnh and splicehack will be taken care of, but the rest of the variants will be exploitable. 09:12 <{Demo}1> I don't think that's a jnh issue 09:12 <{Demo}1> I think that would be allowed 09:12 <{Demo}1> according to bhaaks rules 09:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:17 the rules says "don't exploit vulnerabilities in a weak random number generator" 09:18 not my rules :) 09:20 anyway, if the tournament does allow it, that's rather silly as it makes it optimal to go build the rainbow tables of all the seeds and use a RNG look-ahead program to cheat. 09:22 yeah but junethack is a "let's break the variants" tournament 09:23 it's main purpose is to get more people exposed to variants. that includes of course an implicit assumption that bugs would be fixed. and a weak RNG is a bug 09:28 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1232 points, T:2083, killed by a kobold lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:29 aosdict: any junethack plans would be referred to bhaak 09:30 seeding from dev/urandom like NAO did and reseed every now and then should be okay 09:31 hdf uses urandom 09:32 dev/urandom doesn't fix it 09:32 that alone 09:32 and the reseeding would need to be 'random' 09:32 the intervals 09:33 the distributed nature of jnh makes this tricky, you'd have to get NAO and ascrun on board with any RNG fixes, otherwise everyone should just go play the exploited versions there 09:36 we have time 09:37 knowing kerio he probably already has something in place to address it 09:37 just increase keyspace to 64bit and problem solved until we have a working quantum computer or P=NP 09:37 what now 09:38 heh 09:38 i have nothing of the sort 09:38 well.. that makes me sad 09:38 because i run a nh4 server 09:38 and the rng is specially crafted 09:38 there's like multiple ones 09:38 * bhaak slaps kerio around the solar system with a large satellite! 09:38 for determinism and replicability 09:39 don't you forget unnethack! 09:39 frankly i'd just #define rn1 arc4random_uniform 09:39 and if that doesn't compile switch to freebsd, openbsd or macos 09:39 or, as a last resort, compile with libbsd 09:39 that doesn't help against rainbow tables if you only use 4 bytes for a seed 09:39 yeah. lets run a mac server. hahahahahah 09:39 stennowork: headline on may 31: p = np proven 09:39 hm is it rn2 09:40 bhaak: arc4random doesn't let you fuck it up 09:40 that's the beauty of it 09:42 kerio: is there some entropy source mixed into it? 09:52 NetHack 362-hdf updated (all servers) 09:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:54 K2, is there a hdf repo on gh? 09:54 or anywhere else? 09:54 oh yeah 09:54 of course 09:54 one sec i get ya link 09:54 <@luxidream> ootc versus SWAGGINZZZ? 09:54 stennowork - https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/tree/hardfought 09:55 ah thanks 09:55 oh ok that's 3.6.2 specifically 09:56 yeah 09:56 362-hdf 09:57 <@luxidream> If we all band together on one clan we can beat SWAGGINZZZ 09:58 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:59 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 10:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:01 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:02 I'm not sure that even collectively we can beat ascend-in-seconds-once-it-finds-a-fountain SWAGGINZZZ. 10:04 teamwork doesn't work out in nethack 10:04 you are always as strong as the weakest element 10:04 (the robin accoutns show that) 10:04 I don't think I was taking off clothes 10:04 though a nymph may have been taking them off me 10:05 nymphs convince you to take off your own clothes (and magically suppress the curses on them), they're not like foocubi 10:05 or something. you can "gladly start handing over your shield" even if the shield is cursed 10:06 well, being relieved of your cursed shield *is* something to be glad about 10:07 the curse isn't mentioned at all which is what makes it slightly odd 10:09 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:12 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:15 <{Demo}1> probably something they meant to handle 10:15 <{Demo}1> but never got around to 10:16 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:17 so nethack 362 bug 10:18 https://termbin.com/hkhh 10:18 crash from early this morning 10:18 to do with wishing 10:22 this line: otmp->owt = weight(otmp); 10:22 ? 10:22 hdf has a possibly different version 10:22 thats from here https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.2-beta01/src/objnam.c 10:24 same line in the NHTangles repo 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] AlbertB (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 288 points, T:1379, killed by a dart 10:26 <@luxidream> so SWAGGINZZZ ascends in 7 minutes stenno 10:26 <@luxidream> How many players do we need to match this 10:27 approximately 10 adeons, or 15 luxidreams (? don't know your current speedrun records) 10:27 So if Luxidream can ascend in 2 hours, 10 luxidreams can ascend in 0.2 hours? 10:27 we didnt change anything with wands or zapping etc 10:28 only changes are visual/QoL 10:28 that doesn't work that way :v 10:28 K2, but the NHTangles repo is still exactly the version that is used right now, right? 10:28 <@luxidream> hypothetical good player ascends in 6 hr 10:29 <@luxidream> We need about 51 of those 10:29 It's bit like the mythical man-month 10:29 eh i could not read gdb stacktrace anyway 10:29 <@luxidream> That sounds kinda reasonable 10:30 you cannot parallelize a nh run :v 10:30 stennowork yeah 10:30 althought it was just updated a few min ago 10:30 <@luxidream> I meant one big clan 10:30 derp 10:30 the crash happened before the update this morning 10:30 * stennowork uses his github powers 10:30 yeah, you can parallelize a *clan* 10:30 <@luxidream> working to beat SWAGGINZZZ 10:30 wait is that for fastest ascension? 10:31 <@luxidream> to beat SWAGGINZZZ in ascension output over the course of June 10:31 stennowork otmp->owt = weight(otmp); zap.c? 10:31 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 10:32 yep 10:32 which line? 10:32 that line :P 10:32 oh 10:32 3997 10:33 3997?? 10:33 no... 10:33 isn't the crash in objnam.c 10:34 i see that entry twice in zap.c at lines 1484 and 1598 10:34 lemme look in that file 10:34 argh 10:34 the crash is "objnam.c:3997" 10:34 objnam.c:3997 10:35 this is the right line 10:35 not zap.c 10:35 <{Demo}1> bad place to crash 10:36 sections in that file between vanilla and 362-hdf are identical 10:36 vanilla bug 10:37 somehow ironic that the orb of fate aka orb of weight breaks the code when trying to calculate its weight 10:37 haha 10:37 K2: Unless the bug is in the caller 10:37 the Orb of Incalculable Weight 10:37 no, it's not breaking while trying to calculate its weight 10:37 maybe otmp was null ? 10:37 if the crash is from that line, it's the dereference that broke 10:37 so yes invalid otmp 10:38 who wants to read through readobjnam now and follow why this would break? :D 10:38 * stennowork shotgun 10:38 hah 10:38 unrelated: apparently latest node deprecates '==' in JS lol 10:38 and LOL raisse 10:38 bold move 10:39 I mean, a bunch of code prior to that assumes that otmp is valid 10:39 <{Demo}1> that wouldn't sigabrt 10:39 <{Demo}1> that would sigsegv 10:39 orb of incalculable weight hahah 10:39 <{Demo}1> I've never had dereferencing null do anything but sigsegv 10:39 <@luxidream> There is an Orb of Weight here, but you cannot carry any more. 10:39 stennowork: found it 10:39 look about 15-20 lines up 10:39 er 10-15 10:39 <@luxidream> Suddenly, the dungeon collapses under the weight. 10:40 breaking commit is PatR on january 9 10:40 oh oof 10:41 <@luxidream> oof 😉 10:41 :| 10:41 aosdict, so it was coincidence that it didn't break further ? 10:41 actually I'm not sure why that worked before. 10:41 or rather 10:41 partly-eaten orb of fate would have thrown earlier 10:42 <{Demo}1> link to commit? 10:42 the correct fix is probably just to return then and there when the artifact fails to get created 10:42 yep 10:42 what an oversight man lol 10:42 really don't know why this didn't break before whenever an artiwish failed 10:42 all patr did there was cast it to struct obj* 10:42 aosdict you want to send a bug report to the devteam since you know what caused it? 10:42 maybe it just didn't happen 10:43 i mean how many people wished for non-existing artis on HDF after jan 9 10:43 not a lot 10:43 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 10:43 thats the only coredump for 362-hdf i have 10:43 and the only report (i had to recover a game because of it) 10:44 <@luxidream> What did they wish for 10:44 might there have been other crashes? 10:44 orb of fate 10:44 morning y'all, what's hot on the variant scene? 10:44 @luxidream 'orb of fate', it was already existing 10:44 heya rumflump 10:44 <@luxidream> flump where you been 10:44 <@luxidream> long time no see 10:44 @luxidream it was existing, you get the 'you feel something in your hands' message, then the variable which holds the wished-for object gets nulled 10:44 and after the nulling, the code tries to find the weight of the object 10:45 rumflump's back! 10:45 and of course that wont work 10:45 K2: okay I wanted to reproduce, now I have 10:45 cool 10:45 still not much playing video games, lux. being under-skilled IT for this farm, cooking, and playing d&d, takes most of my time 10:46 so the fix would be returning otmp after line 3986 ? 10:46 plus if i stay logged into irc on this flaky connection, i annoy people with my joins/parts :P 10:47 bhaak: it adds some every once in a while 10:47 and at init time 10:47 and after fork 10:48 <@luxidream> sounds like a quiet life 10:48 and the entropy is taken from getrandom or whatever good source of random bits is there 10:48 <@luxidream> 😄 10:48 rumflump what version of d&d 10:49 bhaak: macos is the only os where it's ludicrously fast 10:49 rumflump: variant news is: splicehack released last may; 3.6.1 released nine hours after splicehack; continued development mainly on xnethack, splicehack, dnethack, and slex; we just discovered some guy made a fork of splicehack last fall that has some neat stuff in it 10:49 everywhere else it's chacha20 10:49 kerio: what did Theo break? 10:49 nothing, but chacha is not hardware accelerated 10:50 whereas most modern architectures have accelerated aes 10:50 and macos' arc4random uses aes-ctr 10:50 okay 10:51 i did a test, i think i was pulling over 1GB/s on a single core on my lappy 10:51 might have to learn splice / xnh... fiqhack is on ice it looks like? 10:51 fucking magnets, how do they work 10:51 that's lots of random number 10:51 K2: 5e with some first timers, but some old-timers are hankering for 4e 10:52 oh god 10:52 <@luxidream> Both pretty close to vanilla flump 10:52 rumflump noooo 10:52 1st edition is the *only* edition 10:52 save yourself 10:52 K2: reported 10:52 there was a 2e game that lasted for nearly a year, but the players were not having any *game* fun - they just liked hanging out 10:52 thanks aosdict 10:52 <@luxidream> Spl can be beaten with a vanilla kit 10:52 the DM would make them roll to see if they successfully made a campfire, lol 10:52 hah 10:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) genocided class U, on T:50054 10:53 but they could just reroll until they got it, so why bother? 10:54 take 20 10:54 rumflump - https://external-preview.redd.it/zSCrJBWmKIhN_fuBCGTM_tGFPcO6sQ-QrPRegb6Dfn4.jpg?width=490&auto=webp&s=aa23bbfc788dfff72ba2368141f7e8638c3e509e 10:54 bhaak: good random numbers, too 10:54 ;o 10:54 @mtf am i recalling correctly that you run an irc bouncer? 10:55 K2: lol, classic 10:56 <@luxidream> bouncer lol 10:57 isn't that what it's called? 10:57 <{Demo}1> yeah 10:58 the irc bouncer keeps out the riffraff 10:59 <@luxidream> clearly not doing a good job 10:59 rumflump even better - https://i.imgur.com/cxOTWSE.png 11:00 @luxidream is probably laughing because discord users don't need a bouncer :-p 11:00 can we still do the '@role' ping things with rld 11:00 @luxidream hey we haven't been hit with spambots for a while 11:01 stennowork: yes, don't mention the devteam's mailing address 11:01 heh, been thinking about stuffing discord into a docker into a VM insto an airtight container, and maybe using it again 11:01 oh i thought it was fixed 11:01 rumflump, docker ftw! 11:02 rumflump, i am currently carrying around my whole dev enviroment including a java server inside a container 11:02 can just deploy it anywhere and start hacking 11:04 sounds fancy 11:04 it's super convenient 11:04 now i can devel on this windows laptop and later at home on my osx laptop and there are no problems 11:07 would storing it on NAS work out, if you were floating around one campus a lot? 11:08 <{Demo}1> run ur containers in the cloud and then u don't need to carry them 11:09 cloud sux here. if enough people are watching youtube, i can only get 19k/sec transfers 11:09 <{Demo}1> :( 11:09 <{Demo}1> then nevermind 11:10 been moving steadily towards heavy use of apt-cacher, wsus, chocolatey, etc 11:10 and self-hosted services 11:10 Rural Internet ^_^ 11:11 <{Demo}1> pretty sure I've eaten food from the place u are 11:11 <{Demo}1> but yey, self hosted services 11:12 we did 20 years of self-hosting and that was enough 11:13 nice. i've spotted our stuff at revolutionary soup in cville, and a coulpe other places 11:13 raisse: what were you hosting? 11:13 apache web server, mail 11:14 ah, yeah, i hear terrible things about mail hosting 11:14 all the work got in the way of our actual work 11:15 so we decided to leave it to people who make their job of it, same as we don't make our own screwdrivers 11:15 (we do cook our own food though) 11:15 our internal "websites" (gotta be a better term than that) are fun to fiddle with 11:17 intranet ? 11:20 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:21 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 4359 points, T:2695, poisoned by a spore cloud 11:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:50606 11:23 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 11:23 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 66 points, T:347, killed by a small mimic 11:25 -!- Gaelan has quit [Client Quit] 11:25 so now i've cleaned out orcus town, and i still haven't seen a wand of teleportation anywhere 11:25 <{Demo}1> wish for one and hope it doesn't crash lol 11:27 it wouldn't crash 11:28 wishing for already-existing artifacts will crash the game 11:28 <{Demo}1> I know 11:32 <@luxidream> I died yesterday due to lack of tele wand 11:32 <@luxidream> 😢 11:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:34 rumflump: weren't you the guy with the variant development chart? do you have a link to the current version? because at least one detail about slex was changed since the last version I saw, IIRC it's that slex now has annotate/overview ;) 11:35 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:36 noooooooooo :( 11:38 *unbundleunbundleunbundle*? 11:39 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 11:39 rumflump: weren't you the guy with the variant development chart? do you have a link to the current version? because at least one detail about slex was changed since the last version I saw, IIRC it's that slex now has annotate/overview ;) 11:40 is the vanilla bug already reported? 11:40 or else i would just report it 11:40 could maybe make a pull request to the nethack/nethack repo 11:43 argh my attempt to bundle rumflump seems to have failed 11:44 they said earlier that they had very shitty internet 11:44 hothraxxa: nice 11:45 what *is* unbundling? is it "don't play my variant", or just passive-aggressive "yeah you could play my variant, if you want to, I guess" 11:50 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:50 K2: quick grudge patch question: is it intentional that if you have two pets who grudge each other, they will fight to the death? 11:50 on one hand, it's stupid and probably not fun; on the other, it's hilarious 11:51 <@luxidream> removing the rubber band and watching the variant fall apart on the floor 11:51 i dont think the grudge patch takes pet vs pet into consideration 11:51 it could though 11:52 i don't like the grudge patch tbh 11:52 well I can summon an elf pet and an orc pet and they will try to kill each other 11:52 off top of my head i dont think be hard to setup a condition 11:52 <@luxidream> aosdict: FIQ implemented grudge patch. We had a problem with cats and dogs killing each other for a while 11:52 i have a modified version of the grudge patch in evilhack 11:52 grunthack and sporkhack use it too to some extent 11:52