00:05 <@carlarc> yes 00:15 <@luxidream> just noticed in xnh named artifacts no longer count against your artifact wishing or sacrifice gift chances. 00:16 <@luxidream> sting orcist meta 00:22 <@carlarc> @luxidream this is amazing 00:22 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/538951841208205312/unknown.png 00:22 <@carlarc> every single tile 00:22 <@carlarc> scoured for traps 00:22 <@luxidream> are you in neutral quest? 00:22 <@carlarc> neutral quest depths 00:22 <@carlarc> wait can i levelport 00:22 <@luxidream> I don't remember it being this hard to find 00:23 <@carlarc> it's gotta have bugged out 00:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:46727 00:23 <@carlarc> i'll try to port 1 level down 00:23 <@luxidream> if you can't find it no matter what drop a !tell to Chris_ANG 00:23 <@luxidream> he's the dnethack dev, he'll get it eventually 00:24 <@luxidream> although I think the school year has started up again, so he's busy teaching 00:24 <@carlarc> do you know how to get inside of this part of the maze? 00:24 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/538952507595030538/unknown.png 00:25 <@carlarc> i can't port in and there's no entrances 00:25 carlarc: It's not just a Rodney's Tower style arrangement? 00:25 <@carlarc> nope 00:26 <@carlarc> i lost knowledge of the map to amnesia 00:26 <@carlarc> so i know there's no way in 00:26 <@carlarc> or secret doors 00:26 Conventionally the space bar and Enter key are not interchangeable. 00:26 Rodney's Tower has no way in or secret doors either. 00:27 <@carlarc> well i can't figure out if you can enter from somewhere else since as i said the way to the rest of the neutral quest seems to have bugged out 00:27 <@carlarc> welp can't levelport either 00:27 <@carlarc> this is fucking dumb 00:28 Checking the .des file might help. 00:28 <@luxidream> demo 00:28 <@luxidream> demo demo demo 00:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic lamp", on T:47482 00:30 <@carlarc> how do i do that pink? 00:31 carlarc> It's in the source distribution. 00:32 <@carlarc> !tell ChrisANG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/538951841208205312/unknown.png my dn game might have bugged out, there seems to be no way to progress in my neutral quest, i've went to every single tile in the map. the weird graphics are there so i can look at dark tiles, the in the upper right is the stairs up and the hidden tiles are there due to amnesia 00:32 ChrisANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @carlarc. 00:32 <@carlarc> oh what the fuck 00:32 <@carlarc> test 00:32 <@carlarc> why do two underscores give my text italics 00:32 <@carlarc> that's fuckin dumb 00:33 <@carlarc> someone in IRC please say if that was sent to chris_ang or to chrisang 00:33 "ChrisANG" 00:33 <@carlarc> goddamnit 00:33 My money would be on nobody 00:33 <@carlarc> !tell ChrisANG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/538951841208205312/unknown.png my dn game might have bugged out, there seems to be no way to progress in my neutral quest, i've went to every single tile in the map. the weird graphics are there so i can look at dark tiles, the underscore in the upper right is the stairs up and the hidden tiles are there due to amnesia 00:33 Will do, @carlarc! 00:33 <@carlarc> FUCK 00:33 <@carlarc> this spam is dumb 00:34 <@carlarc> okay last one 00:34 <@carlarc> !tell Chris_ANG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/538951841208205312/unknown.png my dn game might have bugged out, there seems to be no way to progress in my neutral quest, i've went to every single tile in the map. the weird graphics are there so i can look at dark tiles, the underscore in the upper right is the stairs up and the hidden tiles are there due to amnesia 00:34 Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @carlarc. 00:34 <@carlarc> there we go 00:41 just killed a named demon named Meraxes. Whodat? 00:42 <@carlarc> waaaait a minute 00:42 <@carlarc> the first level of the Depths has two upstairs 00:42 <@carlarc> hmm 00:44 <@carlarc> oh my fucking god 00:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 boots of speed", on T:48566 00:45 <@carlarc> !tell Chris_ANG nevermind that was a false alarm, i didn't realize that for some reason the depths have an extra level upstairs 00:45 Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @carlarc. 00:45 <@carlarc> @luxidream 00:54 <@luxidream> lmao 00:58 [hdf-us] [fh] Stane7 (catthedd) (Val Hum Fem Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:49252 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 61 points, T:338, killed by a grid bug 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 144 points, T:361, killed by a wand 02:03 <@carlarc> hmmm 02:03 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/538977413137301504/unknown.png 02:05 <@carlarc> !tell LarienTelrunya https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/538977413137301504/unknown.png 02:05 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @carlarc. 02:07 <@luxidream> is joke 02:08 <@luxidream> I think Amy ran up to him in melee 02:08 <@luxidream> and found out the hard way 02:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:23 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Nok (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 170 points, T:641, killed by a gecko 03:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2404 points, T:3063, killed by an Uruk-hai 03:56 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 04:03 so much discussion just because vanilla doesn't have a sane build system 04:06 I had some discussion about supplying options from the commandline like 'sh setup.sh hints/something -DOPTION_FOR_MAKE=1 -COPTION_FOR_C=anything' but this won't help with _disabling_ stuff 04:06 juggling diffs sucks 04:22 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:42 <@carlarc> you can't do normal alchemy if a variant has gem alchemy right? 05:45 <@carlarc> oh my god, a random djinni wish from some blessed healing potions 05:45 <@carlarc> why are my runs so full of wishes!? 05:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 bodyglove", on T:113806 06:25 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:22 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:23 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 07:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:53 <@carlarc> @luxidream should i get an AR and a bullet fabber? 07:55 yay livelog 07:56 -!- stenno2 is now known as stenno 08:06 dayum 08:07 <@carlarc> ugh 08:07 <@carlarc> why do artifacts in dn resist all kinds of draining enchantment reee 08:08 <@carlarc> huh 08:08 <@carlarc> you can overenchant them but if you do it too much they get reset to zero 08:12 oh that's better than blowing up 08:14 <@carlarc> and i think it also might force all subsequent enchants to be at most +1 but that might just be bad luck 08:15 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 08:20 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49 bouquet: Was it a succubus? 09:00 Succubi, incubi and nymphs will introduce themselves to you when encountering you. 09:19 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 09:22 hi AntiGulp 09:22 g’mornin 09:22 AntiGulp: Messages from aosdict have been forwarded to you privately. 09:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 cursed fixed greased historic scrolls of genocide named prop. of a. hitler", on T:42966 09:23 *skimming messages* Yeah, there are a few things msearle05 does that I’m not quite as big a fan of. Creating a ton of zombie monsters, for example, as well as linking luck to artifact generation. 09:23 I’ll try to firgure out what’s wrong with my tiles file. 09:24 I'm actually in the middle of porting the zombie apocalypse patch (well, parts of it. I'm not adding new monsters or a zombification damage type.) 09:25 Nice nice! I’m still waiting for word from them. 09:25 The storm of new zombie and base-for-zombie monsters is actually only my second biggest problem with that commit; the biggest problem is changing the mondead, mondied, and monkilled functions where it really isn't needed at all. 09:27 I haven't seen the part where artifact generation is tied to luck yet. 09:27 (going through in chrono order) 09:30 Hm, I didn’t look too deeply at code changes. Changing mondead, mondied and monkilled is definitely not the route I would have taken. 09:31 You _should_ just need one case in each mhitm.c, mhitu.c (maybe), and uhitm.c. 09:31 Actually probably not mhitu, then it just triggers ugrave_arise code. 09:31 Working on the mhitm case now. 09:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 990785 points, T:72546, killed by a priest of Moloch 09:34 I would push the commits I've adapted so far, but I intend to rebase all the YAFM commits together so I've been giving them garbage string commit messages. 09:35 I suppose ideally I'd have made a separate branch for them. 09:38 I’m working on adding new traps right now. Gonna spice things up 09:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 5502 points, T:2232, quit 09:46 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 207 points, T:616, killed by a boulder 09:48 AntiGulp: wait what, someone is making "zombie monsters"? for nethack? is that a patch that adds new monsters? want!!! *bundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundle* ♥ 09:48 LarienTelrunya: Message from @carlarc at 2019-01-27 02:05 EST: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/538977413137301504/unknown.png 09:49 Hi Amy! There’s a lot in the backscroll. Basically someone showed up with a splice variant that has a stupid amount of cool features. 09:49 whaaaaaaat? can you please give me a link to the source code of that variant, because I absolutely need that :D 09:50 hopefully they use github? 09:50 because if everything is only forwarded to you privately, I won't see it in the backscroll 09:50 It was a big conversation a few days ago. I’ve been trying to get in contact with them but no dice so far. No one knows who they are. 09:50 https://github.com/msearle5/slicehack 09:53 oh, apparently it's going to be cddahack or something 09:53 chances are the guy is from 4chan 09:54 i.e. post-apocalypse-themed nethack 09:54 anyway I got the source now, will sort through it later, thanks a lot! :) 09:54 cddahack sounds sweet, I love cdda. And no prob! :D 09:54 I've been going through the commits, it doesn't really seem like there's a central post-apocalypse theme. 09:55 There's a zombie apocalypse patch, sure, but that's the only thing of the sort I've seen so far. 09:56 <@luxidream> can't wait for zombie children 09:56 <@luxidream> nethack could use some junji ito monsters though 09:57 <@luxidream> @carlarc I have no idea I didn't use guns 09:57 morning 09:57 <@luxidream> o/ 09:57 * aosdict needs to read some more junji ito 09:58 but I can't remember many actual monsters in what I've read 09:58 <@luxidream> CDDA has an amigara fault event 09:58 there are the hanging head noose things I guess, but they wouldn't work in a dungeon 09:58 <@luxidream> no, the short comic he made where people walk through perfect holes of themselves 09:59 amigara fault doesn't really have monsters, nor does uzumaki from what I've read 09:59 there was the one with the curse of the bugs and the holes 10:00 AntiGulp: maybe splicehack could run with uzumaki and make the spiral motif a bad omen on par with the Yellow Sign 10:01 <@luxidream> human snails are a thing in CDDA 10:01 and eventually, you realize... YOU ARE A SPIRAL! unless you turn on showrace 10:01 Junji Ito stuff would be really cool. 10:01 cdda? 10:02 <@luxidream> cataclysm: dark days ahead 10:02 <@luxidream> zombie game 10:02 <@luxidream> roguelike 10:02 ah 10:02 <@luxidream> very popular 10:02 free and open source 10:03 Noted for keeping track of things like temperature for individual body parts 10:05 no one has heard from this msearle5 person yet I take it? 10:05 Nope 10:05 i never heard from the girl I reached out to that had the slash'em repo either 10:06 its like these people make all this cool stuff and then *poof* 10:07 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/539099044556046336/j.png 10:07 pfffft 10:08 perfect 10:08 they need to learn about showrace 10:09 uzumakiiii 10:10 so it sounds like slicehack has all this neat stuff but the implementation could be better? 10:10 @luxidream there's a foot poking out of your @ pool of darkness 10:11 K2: that's my impression. it also of course has stuff that I'm ignoring because it's too off the wall 10:11 understandable. it wont cater to everyone, just as any other variant 10:11 seems like that's the default behavior of a developer when working with no collaboration ;) 10:11 i bookmarked a couple things that interested me 10:11 aosdict: here is the original (NSFW) https://external-preview.redd.it/wZ_orfuuN5nOfdAqSfUEfHVTRMbEoZ3vGV7lG_Jnsm0.jpg 10:12 stenno: I know, I read it. 10:12 well I haven't read all of it, but I read that far 10:12 error 403 forbidden 10:12 lol why is the link 403 10:12 https://external-preview.redd.it/wZ_orfuuN5nOfdAqSfUEfHVTRMbEoZ3vGV7lG_Jnsm0.jpg?auto=webp&s=da1f92254ccf62aa1c32cfc479571116dedcf568 10:13 <@luxidream> fixed 10:13 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/539100582749798441/j2.png 10:13 * aosdict starts humming TMBG's "Spiraling Shape" 10:14 ^ prime music to listen to while reading uzumaki 10:14 thats fucked up 10:14 junji ito ftw 10:14 <@luxidream> it gets worse 10:15 I did not know what I was getting into the first time I read Junji Ito’s work. I learned pretty quickly though 10:15 I started with the enigma of amigara fault 10:19 wooot got the rings i needed first poly wand zap 10:19 <@luxidream> aosdict: seems like people are angry about you removing random wow lol 10:19 <@luxidream> not sure why they would be, it doesn't even affect 1% of games 10:20 Wow 10:20 if you're talking about Forbincol, they also have a top level response saying "awesome job", so *shrug* 10:23 and I don't think bouquet came across as angry 10:26 I know there was another reason for not allowing random one-wish wands to generate. 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 1079 points, T:1125, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 10:26 either anti-grinding-for-wishes, or to keep the number of guaranteed wishes in the game constant 10:26 <@luxidream> because it's boring? 10:26 <@luxidream> at least with a magic lamp you have to bless it 10:27 and that, yes, the wand is the least interesting wish source 10:28 AntiGulp: hmm, there's one snarl here. We want monkilled() to be called so that the monster dying to a zombie can maybe get lifesaved, but we also don't want it to be called because that will m_detach it and cause dmonsfree errors. 10:29 Hmmmmmm 10:29 dmonsfree errors are nasty 10:29 only if you don't know where they're coming from 10:29 which we do in this case 10:29 wonder if there's a m_reattach somewhere 10:29 nope 10:30 ok so definitely don't want to call m_detach 10:30 so no mondied() so no monkilled() 10:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law), 416 points, T:1204, killed by a gnome 10:32 could kludge it somehow with dodging the monkilled call if it will zombify. Yeah. 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1531 points, T:2601, killed by a hill orc called Ruk-aiul of Othogthosog 10:41 othogthogthog 10:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:1159 10:45 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3568 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 9711 points, T:7313, quit 11:01 <@luxidream> even in sokoban the master mind flayers are still out to get me 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 389 points, T:871, killed by a werejackal 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:2216 11:13 i need to start working on evilhack again 11:13 as in seriously 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6192 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:55062 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:55072 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:55107 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:55114 11:24 The original zombie commit didn't include any peaceful/pet rules. I'm making it so that tame zombies create other tame zombies, which should be interesting and potentially even make them desirable pets. 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:55237 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) picked up the Amulet of Yendor, on T:55240 11:25 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:34624 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Bar Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an aklys on an altar, on T:3192 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:55479 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3215 11:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:55847 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:55847 11:48 The purple worm swallows the Wizard of Yendor. "Burrrrp!" 11:48 guess the worm made good use of the sanctum graveyardf 11:49 !rng xnh mc 11:49 stenno: mc 11:50 hmmmeh 11:52 <@luxidream> !whereis stenno 11:52 @luxidream: stenno is not playing. 11:54 aosdict: at one time fh allowed tame zombies to make tame zombies. it got ridiculous pretty fast and i think he removed it 11:54 at one point i had about a dozen tame zombies 11:54 <@luxidream> zombie yeenoghu and zombie orcus 11:54 <@luxidream> good days 11:55 i wish i knew a quick way to find the ttyrec. it was pretty funny 11:56 hothraxxa: the difference is that in fiqhack every monster can be zombified 11:56 the way this works, only stuff that has a zombie form can 11:56 and if it's too crazy, it's easy to tune down the chance that a monster revives as a zombie rather than just dying 11:57 i'll get the ttyrec for you 12:01 aw shit, it's got the wrong character set. looks awful 12:08 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 12:08 !tell K2 Splice statue tiles have been fixed and pushed to github (I had a bugged tilemap in monsters.txt). 12:08 I'm on it, AntiGulp. 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 15808 points, T:7404, killed by a winter wolf 12:09 k 12:09 K2: Message from AntiGulp at 2019-01-27 12:08 EST: Splice statue tiles have been fixed and pushed to github (I had a bugged tilemap in monsters.txt). 12:15 ahh, so what happened in fiqhack is that my dog ate a chameleon and turned into a zombie. fh has grudge so everything started attacking it, and before he turned into something i else, i had three or four tame zombies, which everything attacked, making more tame zombies... 12:16 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 12:17 AntiGulp are these 16 bit or 32 bit colors 12:17 i'm not sure fiq changed this after all 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Law), 3383337 points, T:56134, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nh343/dumplog/1543861297.nh343.txt 12:17 congrats oh6! 12:17 oh6, the retro spelunker 12:18 hmm these look like 16bit 12:18 thanks! 12:18 started that game by mistake as it happens 12:18 K2: how would that matter if all you have is a bmp 12:19 pretty sure the game defines color codes as 8-bit RGB triads 12:19 picked it up when I was casting about for an excuse to play more nethack when I had decided not to start a new game 12:19 the game has nothing to do with it 12:19 er, s/game/foo.txt files/ 12:19 look at the difference between nethack vanilla 16x16 and 32x32 tileset 12:19 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: AntiGulp] 12:19 are you referring to tile dimensions? 12:20 no 12:21 I don't see any difference 12:21 in the colors 12:21 keep looking... 12:22 every tile I look at seems identical 12:22 btw aosdict, i don't know if you untended this but if you get interrupted eating a corpse, the corpse can become a mold before you start eating it again 12:22 er intended 12:23 is the corpse in inventory or on the floor 12:23 if on the floor it should fail due to the space being occupied 12:23 on the floor, and the mold formed beside me 12:23 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 12:23 i was eating a black dragon 12:23 Congrats oh6! 12:24 well it would only become a mold in the taint-danger stage... 12:25 doesn't seem right, i had just killed it 12:27 was eating, got interrupted thanks to the eyes. a yellow mold formed next to me, i whacked it, tried to keep eating, no corpse 12:27 AntiGulp new splicehack tileset live on all hdf servers 12:27 Thank you! :D 12:27 oh and of course i didn't get disintegration resistance 12:27 Time to play some tiiiiiles 12:27 whoever is using them may need to hard refresh / clear browser cache to see it 12:28 yes mold formation destroys the corpse 12:28 right that's what i figured 12:29 anyway only mildly annoying in this case, but i thought you might want to know 12:30 aosdict there's more level of detail between 16 and 32 bit tiles. allows for a better looking tile especially if zoomed in 12:31 thanks antigulp, just started a splice game as it happens 12:32 my kid is looking at the tiles trying to decide which ones our dogs and us should be 12:32 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 12:32 I preemptively deny responsibility for all broken stuff, unless it’s cool in which case I did that 12:32 hmm, branch stairs look the same with tiles 12:32 she picked red dragon for herself 12:33 Hmmm, I can’t seem to get tiles working 12:33 OPTION=vt_tiledata in cfg 12:34 ooh i get to be a violet fungus 12:34 thanks kid 12:34 <@luxidream> K2: when is your kid going to play in junethack 😃 12:34 soon 12:35 maybe not this year 12:35 but next i bet 12:35 Hmmm, do I need to undefine curses? 12:36 yes unfortunately 12:38 There we go! 12:38 \o/ 12:43 ahh, so what happened in fiqhack is that my dog ate a chameleon and turned 12:43 +into a zombie. fh has grudge so everything started attacking it, and before he turned 12:43 +into something i else, i had three or four tame zombies, which everything attacked, 12:43 oh dammit 12:43 sorry 12:43 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:43 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 12:44 Really step onto that sleeping gas trap? [yn] (n) 12:44 not complaining about that.. 12:44 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 12:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1258 points, T:3213, killed by a bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:49988 12:48 oh6 sorry for what? 12:49 -!- Xaleth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:51 re-pasting random clipboard junmk 12:52 maybe I didn't actually paste it? I'm not going to experiment! 12:53 dang, these icicles are growing almost as I watch 12:56 heh 12:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:43865 13:01 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 13:01 hothraxxa: nowdays the created zombies are allies of your *pet* 13:02 meaning they will not respond to magic whistles, nor behave as pets in general, except for having the same attack patterns as your actual pet 13:05 [hdf-us] [spl] oh6 (Kni Ang Fem Law), 946 points, T:2181, inhumed by a killer bee 13:06 that's one beefy bee 13:16 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:34 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 13:39 [hdf-us] [fh] Stane7 (catthedd) (Val Hum Fem Neu) defeated Croesus, on T:54907 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 353 points, T:1262, killed by an arrow, while sleeping 13:48 fiq: what about the grudge? 13:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "holy historic greased fixed bag of holding named prop. of TARDIS", on T:45487 13:51 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:37875 14:19 aosdict: found a bug. putting orcrist {24} in an oilskin sack {54} increases the weight to {122} rather than {76} 14:20 this was confusing when i found a 100 zm bag. the usual test for holding... didn't work 14:21 putting in firebrand behaves as expected 14:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:50509 14:27 balance, ptui! i was chosen to steal souls 14:34 <@carlarc> hmm i just got a random tool that's not listed in the wiki 14:34 <@carlarc> interseting 14:35 <@carlarc> from dn 14:38 time to get some clubmate and then i will play a bit more 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:2570 14:41 <@luxidream> @carlarc wiki is crazy out of date 14:42 <@luxidream> It hasn’t been changed much since I last played in junethack 14:42 <@luxidream> probably even farther back too 14:42 <@luxidream> many artis are missing 14:42 <@carlarc> lame 14:42 <@carlarc> i should add it to the wiki but i'm not brainy enough to understand half the code that shows up in git 14:42 <@luxidream> what does the tool do 14:42 <@carlarc> https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/search?q=sunrod&unscoped_q=sunrod it's a enchantable torch that can't be turned off apparently 14:43 <@luxidream> oh the sunroof? 14:43 <@luxidream> Sunrod 14:43 <@carlarc> yes 14:43 <@luxidream> You can just make a mention of it under the torch page 14:43 <@carlarc> yeah but i don't know what else it does 14:43 <@luxidream> like nothing else as far as I know 14:44 <@luxidream> Some roles start with em 14:44 <@luxidream> They’re stupid heavy 14:44 <@carlarc> wow torches aren't even in the page either 14:44 <@carlarc> oh they're not worth carrying around then? 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Kni Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping an amulet called octagonal (cursed) on an altar, on T:3440 14:49 <@carlarc> it has been addened 14:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:51025 14:55 <@carlarc> wow, what the hell 14:56 <@carlarc> you can dip some high level corpses into blood and get some good potions out of it 14:56 <@carlarc> this is not documented anywhere 14:56 <@carlarc> what the heck chris! 15:05 don't expect 100% of changes to be documented :P 15:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:46749 15:12 The rust monster falls into a pit! The rust monster munches on some spikes! 15:12 cute. never saw that one before 15:13 hothraxxa: grudges remain working as they worked previously 15:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Kni Hum Fem Law), 9714 points, T:5338, killed by a giant mummy 15:18 fiq: remind me how that works. living things attack zombies, but do zombies always attack anything living? 15:18 grudges are almost always two-way 15:19 purple worms vs shriekers and ravens vs floating eyes being the exceptions 15:19 actually what i just said makes no sense, of course it works two ways 15:19 !who 15:19 FIQ: [hdf-us] carlarc [dnh] Wolfechu [nh362] captmayhem69 [nh362] Karnac [nh362] Delraven [un] hothraxxa [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:19 unless you had defenseless zombies 15:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:118474 15:29 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 9102 points, T:4290, killed by an enormous rat 15:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:118537 15:31 <@luxidream> what 15:31 <@carlarc> i am very smart 15:32 <@luxidream> Did you get armor shred 15:32 <@carlarc> yes 15:33 <@carlarc> do you know of any good ways to disenchant artifacts 15:33 <@luxidream> Cast drain life 15:34 <@luxidream> There are a billion spellbooks in all of dnh so surely you’ve found that 15:34 <@carlarc> nope 15:34 <@luxidream> ._. 15:35 <@carlarc> i have the book of infinite garbage so maybe i can get it from there 15:35 <@carlarc> first alhoon dropped it 15:35 <@luxidream> polypiling might be faster 15:41 <@carlarc> got it 15:44 <@carlarc> excellent 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 3593 points, T:3105, killed by a soldier ant 15:50 [hdf-us] [fh] Stane7 (catthedd) (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:55514 15:53 <@carlarc> YANI: oilskin and maybe greased cloaks allow you to slip into diagonal spaces even if almost burdened 15:55 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 16:04 -!- Xaleth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:08 <@luxidream> YANI: remove diagonal squeezing it’s dumb 16:08 <@carlarc> what the 16:08 <@carlarc> apparently a phase spider stole my bell of opening 16:08 <@carlarc> that i had hidden below a boulder 16:08 <@carlarc> why are phase spiders covetous. 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Rog Orc Mal Cha) averted death, on T:2120 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1417 points, T:2160, killed by a guardian naga hatchling 16:11 @luxidream: EPI: instead of getting a "you can't" message for squeezing past diagonally, the game automatically drops all your stuff, removes your armor (you are helpless while this happens), etc., in an attempt to get you to where you can squeeze past. Only if you have removed everything (non-cursed) that you can and dropped everything you can drop, can you fail to squeeze past. 16:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 7449 points, T:4050, killed by a yeti 16:17 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22 <@carlarc> "Ray gun A ray gun is a beam-type firearm that uses charges and can be charged an unlimited amount of times. Settings are sleep (1 charge), heat (fire damage, 2 charges), kill (death ray, 10 charges) and disintegration (disintegration ray, 20 charges)." 16:22 <@carlarc> holy shit 16:22 <@carlarc> how can i NOT wish for that!? 16:22 <@carlarc> that's a must get 16:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed ray gun", on T:120923 16:23 <@carlarc> i can.. both enchant and charge it? 16:23 <@carlarc> i though those used the same code 16:26 <@luxidream> Don’t use disintegration on anything with armor 16:27 <@luxidream> It works the same way for monsters as it does players in dnh 16:27 <@carlarc> oh right, forgot about that. 16:27 <@carlarc> shame 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] LittleBilly (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6469 points, T:3253, killed by an Uruk-hai 16:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52792 16:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52802 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5886 points, T:7603, quit 16:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:52966 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2370 17:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11474 points, T:6284, killed by a wand 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2591 17:10 <@carlarc> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280051925154660363/539205630804885510/unknown.png 17:10 <@carlarc> what the fuck 17:11 <@carlarc> oh my god 17:11 <@carlarc> 7d10 boulder launch shambling horror 17:11 <@carlarc> this is amazing 17:11 <@carlarc> he just 17:11 <@carlarc> unloads 17:11 <@carlarc> on me 17:12 <@luxidream> 7d10(d20)? 17:12 <@luxidream> if they can actually hit lol 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:5314 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6175 17:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:53905 17:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:53909 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:6327 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:6469 17:20 K2: "there's more level of detail between 16 and 32 bit tiles" <-- this sounds like you are talking about tile dimensions, eg 16x16 vs 32x32 17:20 hothraxxa: [backscroll] It's entirely possible that showing inventory weights is exposing some vanilla bugs in how weights are calculated, but at the moment I need clear steps to reproduce, I can't reproduce anything right now. 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:7296 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 cursed scroll of genocide", on T:7740 17:25 hmm, uncontrolled lycanthropy has its upside 17:26 this cursed helm fell off 17:33 <@luxidream> YANI: if you throw mojo at a valkyrie player monster, they catch it instead 17:34 only if they're wearing gauntlets of power 17:35 <@luxidream> speaking of which, I think hostile player monsters should be a different color 17:36 <@luxidream> so we can actually tell what's happening in astral 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed charging", on T:7956 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:7957 17:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:7959 17:37 I feel like ais523 would have a very strong opinion against that but I don't know what it would be 17:38 I wonder if anyone wants aligned priests to be a different color of @. 17:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:8090 17:39 <@carlarc> they're yellow in fiq 17:40 <@carlarc> also wow avatar of lolth is a pain in the ass 17:40 <@carlarc> this is gonna suck 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] captmayhem69 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4242 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] captmayhem69 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1180 points, T:4405, killed by a Woodland-elf 17:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:9349 17:49 <@carlarc> @luxidream okay i have no idea how the hell to defeat avatar of lolth 17:50 <@carlarc> i need some Help 17:50 @carlarc i think he's speedrunning right now 17:50 <@carlarc> oh shit 17:50 <@carlarc> sorry 17:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:9597 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:10118 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:10120 17:56 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 17:57 <@luxidream> does she follow if you branchport 17:58 <@carlarc> she has follower on the pokedex so yes 17:59 <@luxidream> try ditching her somewhere 17:59 <@carlarc> lmao 17:59 <@carlarc> that's genius 17:59 <@carlarc> i'll do that 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:10633 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12176 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 100 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:11210 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:11355 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ettin mummy, on T:12810 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:11963 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:12351 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13405 18:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:13514 18:20 whoops 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:13110 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:13112 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:13166 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:13914 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:14082 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:14086 18:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:58788 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:14689 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:14911 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:15040 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:15042 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 37949 points, T:15452, killed by a fire elemental 18:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:38, on T:59272 18:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:38, on T:59273 18:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:59277 18:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:42, on T:59519 18:43 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:38345 18:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:59674 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:17605 18:50 bouquet is your xnethack game 0.4.0 or .1 ? 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:18022 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Cha) averted death, on T:18066 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Cha), 664973 points, T:18138, killed by touching The Orb of Fate (with the Amulet) 18:55 <@luxidream> damn 18:55 <@luxidream> would have been new pb 18:56 <@luxidream> I have such an amazing knack for picking the wrong altar 18:56 <@luxidream> maybe I should just play neutral valkyrie 18:58 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:58 noooo :( 18:58 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 18:59 <@LittleBilly> Yesss 18:59 <@LittleBilly> Come to the neutral side 19:00 <@LittleBilly> Give up the weakness that is strong feelings one way or the pther 19:00 why did you touch the orb of fate on astral 19:00 <@luxidream> when you depoly 19:00 <@luxidream> you retouch all items 19:01 <@luxidream> so I depolyed from mmf at critical HP 19:01 <@luxidream> killing me before I could react 19:01 <@luxidream> and also no, neutral valk is pretty much strictly worse 19:02 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:39119 19:02 ouch yes the problem with polying into a new form at low HP is that you'll eventually lose it and then be at low HP 19:02 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:39120 19:04 <@luxidream> with 1 wand of tele I could have survived 19:04 <@luxidream> but it was not my day 19:04 such is speedrunning 19:04 !lastgame luxidream 19:04 aosdict: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1548626543.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 19:05 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:39137 19:05 ^ throne wish 19:05 * K2 flexes 19:05 so it would have been 1:54ish 19:05 <@luxidream> I saved 19:06 <@luxidream> xlogfile puts my death at 1:24 19:06 0:83 19:06 <@luxidream> I had to do some laundry 😛 19:06 * K2 flexes again 19:06 K2: close. 1:24 would be 0:84. 19:07 and i still have 2 wishes left from the castle wand 19:07 in sporkhack, that's the *only* WoW in the game 19:08 suddenly me putting 5 guaranteed WoWs in the game seems exceptionally generous :P 19:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "holy historic fixed +5 boots of speed named prop. of jay garrick", on T:48882 19:09 not prop. of usain bolt? 19:09 <@LittleBilly> If by worse you mean a more worthy challenge 19:10 <@LittleBilly> (Says the unascended chump) 19:10 <@luxidream> not that much worse, mind you. still pretty strong 19:10 (to the guy who can reliably ascend multiple times per day) 19:10 <@luxidream> I do need excalibur where I'm going though 19:11 so I have a copy of Bulfinch's Age of Chivalry that I've been reading through, and it names Excalibur as the sword in the stone, and leaves unnamed the different sword obtained from the Lady of the Lake. 19:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:11 <@LittleBilly> Whats so great about it? 19:12 imagine if luxidream focused his talets on something else... like solving world hunger. or developing an unlimited energy souce 19:12 he could do it in 1:24 19:12 jay garrick could run around the block 100 times before usain bolt gets out of bed 19:12 *talents 19:12 no, a THOUSAND 19:12 and that's before his first cup of coffee 19:13 aosdict: that fits with almost every version of the arthur legend 19:13 <@luxidream> @LittleBilly it's like a longsword except it does d10 more damage 19:13 no wait. it's backward. nm 19:13 K2: or if luxidream focused his talents on developing nethack variants 19:14 <@LittleBilly> Ah. Point taken 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 480 points, T:1742, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 19:15 <@luxidream> My question is when the lady of lake is going to give me the sheath that gives regeneration 19:16 <@luxidream> aosdict: first I have to compile nethack on windows :p 19:16 hothraxxa: fair, there have been plenty of other things I've encountered in the book that made me go "wait, that's not how I remember it" 19:17 when i was a lot younger i devoured everything written about king arthur. some of it is pretty wierd 19:17 luxidream: get l i n u x 19:17 and call yourself linuxidream 19:17 anyway, as i recall, the sword in the stone is not named, and excalibur comes from the lady 19:17 <@LittleBilly> I was reading Once and future king last year, but i didnt get that far before i picked up Wheel of Time, and then that got interrupted when i picked up Dune 19:17 wheel of time! sweet 19:17 <@luxidream> Where does the name "Clarent" come from then? 19:18 linuxdream... hahahahah 19:18 @luxidream according to wikipedia, it's a footnote in that it was a ceremonial sword of peace 19:18 the sheath that goes with excalibur... that'd be neat 19:19 splicehack adds carnwennan, arthur's dagger 19:19 its powers would only work if excalibur were your alternate weapon; not wielded (sheathed) 19:20 K2: so would it be its own item, or just a side benefit of having excalibur as swapwep? 19:20 <@luxidream> regen with sheathed excal 19:20 Sheaths would fit into general belt YANIs, though I can't really imagine what the point of non-artifact ones would be. 19:20 <@luxidream> sounds deliciously broken 19:21 <@luxidream> not as broken as the in-lore sheath though 19:21 what, where it prevents you from dying? 19:22 sounds in the spirit of nethack to me 19:22 k2: iirc, in my spork game the castle wand was 1:1, and i used it on astral to get a blessed figurine of a woodchuck named carl 19:28 it's own item 19:29 <@carlarc> dn has carn too 19:29 <@luxidream> a sheath would be a cool item if it let you ready an additional weapon 19:29 <@carlarc> thats a great idea 19:29 YANI ^^ 19:30 <@luxidream> it's so annoying twoweaponing in hell 19:30 <@luxidream> because you have to unwield your sword, dig, then start twoweaponing again 19:30 <@carlarc> why are picks so heavy anywas 19:30 <@luxidream> idk they're pretty heavy irl 19:30 <@carlarc> yeah but 19:30 <@carlarc> so are swords 19:31 <@carlarc> and theyre like half as heavy 19:31 <@luxidream> shh you can't say anything bad about swords! the devteam won't allow it! 19:31 <@carlarc> dont worry as long as i don't specify longsword it's okay 19:32 I watched the Alice In Wonderland version with Johnny Depp last night and wondered why isn't there a Bandersnatch that can be tamed with keys and saddled? There's Jabberwocky and Vorpal Sword. 19:32 are there any sword artifacts that *aren't* long swords, katanas, or tsurugis? 19:32 <@luxidream> broadswords 19:32 <@carlarc> stormbringer is a broadsword 19:32 runeswords if you count those 19:32 <@luxidream> you forget dragonbane 19:33 <@carlarc> isn't dbane a sword 19:33 <@luxidream> broadsword 19:33 bouquet: the original text has nothing that I remember about keys 19:33 <@carlarc> right 19:33 <@carlarc> that's so dumb 19:33 <@carlarc> how did they skip out on making it a lance, the knight symbolism is so obvious! 19:33 <@luxidream> that's what FIQ did 19:33 bandersnatches don't even appear except in the proverb "you might as well try to catch a Bandersnatch" 19:33 <@carlarc> yeah 19:33 <@luxidream> it's also terrible because lances weigh 180 19:34 <@carlarc> pounding in FIQ is incredibly fun 19:34 <@luxidream> and are completely useless in melee 19:34 <@carlarc> dbane weights 90 19:34 I made dragonbane a dwarvish spear just now 19:34 <@carlarc> in fiq 19:34 <@luxidream> at my request 19:34 <@carlarc> oh good 19:34 well not just now, couple days ago 19:34 i think dragonbane is also a spear in unnethack and sporkhack 19:34 it was a popular choice 19:34 yeah 19:35 <@carlarc> hmm 19:35 <@carlarc> i'm gonna see if i can't stone the avatar of lolth 19:35 <@luxidream> lol everything important is stoning immune 19:35 <@carlarc> pokedex didn't say that she had any resistances 19:36 <@carlarc> i mean i trust you 19:36 <@carlarc> but that's annoying that it's imprecise 19:36 <@luxidream> worth a shot 19:36 <@luxidream> I didn't try so 19:36 <@carlarc> shoggoths are apparently disintegration immune for some reason 19:36 @luxidream fiqhack dragonbane is half weight 19:36 oh, it was mentioned already 19:36 <@luxidream> yes, because I complained about it enough 19:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:48954 19:36 heh 19:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:59917 19:37 <@carlarc> whew, 1016 health with half physical and spell damage 19:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:59919 19:38 <@carlarc> if i don't reach at least the sanctum this run i'm gonna be extremely disappointed in myself 19:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:49159 19:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:50 !tell AntiGulp for the sake of the variant history graph I'm very happy that slicehack only became known in 2019 19:50 AntiGulp shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, aosdict. 19:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:18, on T:61316 19:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:49337 19:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:9, on T:61521 20:01 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:40378 20:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:61774 20:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the End Game, on T:61775 20:03 aosdict: what graph? 20:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the End Game, on T:61972 20:11 * aosdict sighs and goes digging through the logs to find the link again 20:12 https://i.imgur.com/ZlhuLu7.png <- most recent version posted to imgur, the latest one has more dashed arrows 20:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:62057 20:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided class z, on T:62057 20:14 <{Demo}1> aosdict: where ndnh? 20:14 aosdict: I've experienced the new /oWishing first hand and can say it's actually a really awesome change. 20:15 {Demo}1: it's in the code for the most recent version 20:16 imagine a 2018 white box with an arrow pointing from dnh 3.15 to it 20:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the End Game, on T:62227 20:17 bouquet: Oh good, so you're no longer apprehensive like on reddit? 20:17 <{Demo}1> yey 20:18 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:18 wait what's the new wow? 20:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:62395 20:19 hothraxxa: are you still on the old version? 20:19 yeah 20:20 because you should definitely have seen new wow stuff by now 20:20 well if you mean that my wow turned to dust after 2 wishes, i have 20:20 <@luxidream> there are now more wows 20:20 <@luxidream> wow 20:21 tldr - wands are nonrandom and nonrechargeable, turn to dust when they use their last charge, castle wand is 0:2, and there are several 0:1 ones at important points in gehennom 20:21 yes i read the wiki 20:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:62421 20:21 ok but that's not new 20:21 to me anyway 20:21 oh right, the old version already had this stuff 20:21 the only significant new stuff for you then will be hammer buff / artifact changes 20:22 just plodding along over here 20:22 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:23 i got the flavour for baalzebub but he's still meditating and i've wiped out his entourage 20:23 aosdict: I was reading on my phone and should have taken time to playtest it before commenting. In my head it seemed more dire. 20:24 I'm beginning to wonder if there are vanilla sequencing issues with the demon lords 20:24 that don't get detected in vanilla because there's no appearance message 20:24 maybe he coalesced out of flies but is still meditating 20:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:62465 20:24 could be. i'm also using curses which i find messes with flavour timing, but not as badly as this 20:25 anyway when i took out his last bone devil, he woke up 20:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:62497 20:25 also i seem to be losing stormy to bullwhips more than usual 20:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:62515 20:27 haven't changed that 20:27 no i didn't think so 20:27 it being stormbringer it should whack the monster that yanks it whenever it gets yanked 20:27 YASI ^ 20:27 still, three out of the last four demons with bullwhips have gotten stormy from me 20:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:62544 20:28 two on the floor but one bastard actually got hold of it 20:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3219058 points, T:62554, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/xnethack/dumplog/1548186697.xnh.txt 20:29 <@carlarc> wooo! 20:29 <@carlarc> grats! 20:29 just in time for a delicious barrel aged stout from Fremont Brewing(tm) 20:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:49697 20:33 congrats bouquet! 20:38 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:42657 20:42 wewt 20:42 congrats bouquet 20:47 thanks! 20:48 I didn't get engulfed by a water elemental this time 20:49 that was backed out 20:49 ah, I took care to stay close to unburdened just in case. 20:49 <@carlarc> woo 20:49 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:49 <@carlarc> er 20:49 due to water elementals being able to pick you up in the plane of water and then when you kill them you get dropped away from any bubble so you drown, making magic breathing required 20:50 <@carlarc> successfully ditched Lolth in the last level of the neutral quest 20:50 <@carlarc> now i just have to clear out the 3000 spiders she summoned 20:50 <{Demo}1> i want a stat trak excalibur 20:50 <@carlarc> that's genius 20:50 playing wizard is so much fun. It's easy but you have so many cool spells. 20:51 now that fire/frostbrand are short swords I'm going to try dualwielding them as a rogue for kicks. 20:51 <@carlarc> the one thing i hated about wizard is spellbook management 20:51 <@carlarc> it's really annoying 20:52 <{Demo}1> ^^ 20:52 hows that? I usually just stash them somewhere. Wizards get teleport control and can return to the stash pretty easy if they need to relearn. 20:53 <@carlarc> i play very slowly 20:53 <@carlarc> very slowly 20:53 <@carlarc> books fading out is a very real annoyance for me 20:53 oh really? Hey {Demo}1 what's your turncount for that game that's in the millions? :) 20:53 <@carlarc> especially high level ones that it's hard to get a spare of 20:53 <@carlarc> okay well maybe not that slowly :P but still 20:54 A game that gets into 100k can easily start running out of books 20:54 <{Demo}1> 416 million 20:54 <{Demo}1> im the slowest dnh player ever 20:54 <@carlarc> though then again, the run i'm complaining about also had half of my stash slowly burned away by wands of fire and lightning because i didn't realize they damaged stuff on the ground 20:54 lol rip 20:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:59 I just read the game dump and realized my AC was -50. I didn't even notice that. Must have been all those rings of protection I ate. 21:03 <@carlarc> can you lose ring protection from bad prayer 21:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:04 I'm not especially religious after I enter gehennom. 21:06 <@luxidream> yes 21:07 <@carlarc> that's lame. 21:10 it's a consequence of the game saying "oh you ate a ring? better lump that in with your divinely granted protection!" 21:13 <@carlarc> i've been in this vortex called stinking cloud for like a hundred turns 21:14 <@carlarc> it's been seared by both iron and silver almost every single one of those turns 21:14 <@carlarc> and it only has 70 hp and -1 AC 21:14 <@carlarc> what the hell 21:16 <@luxidream> aosdict: what would you think about removing rotten food from comestibles 21:16 <@luxidream> I've seen more than one new player think that they're doing something wrong/their food is cursed because they ate a perfectly okay food ration 21:18 <@luxidream> well, remove it for uncursed/blessed food items, that it 21:18 <@luxidream> /s/it/is 21:18 I don't particularly like that effect, yes. put it in the YANI bin for now 21:18 seems like there are some larger balance implications to consider 21:19 <@luxidream> mostly that eating is now safe, since the player won't randomly pass out and get beaten to death 21:20 <@luxidream> oh, are you talking about your nutrition overhaul? 21:21 <@luxidream> or something else 21:22 doesn't blecch rotten food remove some of the comestible's nutrition? 21:22 so removing the effect for nearly all food would increase average nutrition of all permafood? 21:22 <@carlarc> iirc it removes almost all the food 21:22 <@carlarc> er nutrition 21:23 the first thrust of the nutrition overhaul is not going to focus on permafood at all, and will focus on corpse nutrition so that it isn't sustainable to live indefinitely off corpses 21:23 <@carlarc> wiki doesn't say that 21:23 <@carlarc> hmm 21:23 <@luxidream> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.6.0/src/eat.c#rottenfood 21:23 <@luxidream> where does it reduce the nutrition 21:23 <@carlarc> looks like i was wrong 21:23 <@carlarc> that's why i went on the wiki to check 21:24 I don't have a source for that thing I remember, so it might not be a thing 21:25 we're all figment of your imagination so it's ok if it's only in your head 21:26 <@carlarc> wait what 21:26 <@carlarc> cram rations apparently give dwarves more nutrition than other races 21:26 <@carlarc> that's neat 21:26 <@carlarc> is it a 360 thing 21:26 that's a 3.6.1 change 21:27 <@carlarc> i'll put that in the page then 21:27 <@carlarc> since it doesn't say that 21:27 actually it might be a 3.6.2 change 21:27 <@luxidream> i guess it's like lembas for elves 21:27 which (?) shouldn't go on the wiki yet 21:27 <@luxidream> #@$%#$% elf kibble 21:28 I don't know if there's a wiki policy about upcoming version features 21:28 <@carlarc> well ill put it in as a recent change 21:28 <@luxidream> better to leave it off. 21:28 probably I should make a Template:Upcoming template 21:28 <@luxidream> most players aren't on server 21:28 <@carlarc> bleh 21:28 <@luxidream> they are downloading from nethack.org 21:29 if the minecraft wiki can fully document upcoming features then so can we 21:29 <@luxidream> it should be explicitly stated then 21:29 <@luxidream> that it currently doesn't exist 21:30 yeah I'm envisioning something like the todo template 21:30 <@carlarc> what the hell 21:30 <@carlarc> someone removed the line that says it was implemented in 361 21:30 <@luxidream> then unremove it 21:30 <@carlarc> and then put in the 100+ for dwarves inside the little box to the right, without specifying the version 21:31 <@carlarc> yeah i'm gonna do that 21:31 a big out of place box that says "This contains information about an upcoming version. If this version is now released, please merge it into the page text." 21:31 <@luxidream> you think they know what they're talking about? 21:31 -!- Wolfechu has joined #hardfought 21:31 <@carlarc> they have no talk page and didn't put in the reason for the edit 21:31 <@carlarc> unlike the guy that put in the 361 thing 21:32 <@carlarc> so yeah i'm changing that 21:33 <@carlarc> hm 21:33 <@carlarc> do dwarves get flavor text from it 21:33 <@luxidream> look in the source where you found it? 21:33 the cram thing is from 2016 so 3.6.1 it is 21:34 <@carlarc> nope 21:34 <@carlarc> they don't 21:35 gnite all 21:36 <@carlarc> gn 21:37 @carlarc by the way, regarding your commit message, the wiki convention is that the main page text reflects the current released version, with old-version-specific text only if it's particularly important. 21:37 I'm actually not sure if that's in the style guide, but it should be; let me check 21:38 <@carlarc> well i'm pretty sure it's important as only splice is branched from 361 21:38 <@carlarc> so other branches dont have it 21:39 In what sense is it "important" if you get 100 extra nutrition from a cram ration or not? 21:39 <@luxidream> xnh is from 3.6.1 21:39 <@carlarc> oh right 21:39 I would say it's not particularly important, and could perhaps go into a general Variants section (since it pertains primarily to variants based off an old version) 21:39 but that's reaching 21:39 <@luxidream> Pinkbeast: in what sense is it important that you carry around K-rations over C-rations :p 21:40 <@carlarc> well it means that cram rations are actually slightly more efficient in nut/weight than food 21:40 Luxidream: I never said it was "important"; indeed, I explicitly said it was not. 21:40 carlarc> So, how is this "important"? 21:40 <@carlarc> it can affect your decision if you're low on soldier rations to carry what kind of food 21:41 <@carlarc> to the endgame 21:41 ... and no doubt the reason this is important will emerge shortly? 21:41 <@carlarc> geez 21:41 <@luxidream> it isn't 21:41 <@luxidream> probably worth mentioning still though 21:42 <@luxidream> people like reading about stuff like that 21:43 <@luxidream> and as you've said, Pinkbeast, if it's easy to optimize, why not do it? 21:43 Why indeed not? 21:45 @carlarc Basically, the convention is "don't write the wiki to appeal to players of old vanilla versions". 21:45 <@carlarc> i don't think my edit breaches that rule 21:45 So if a 3.4.3 change is relevant in variants from 3.4.3, then great, it can go under variants. 21:45 Yeah, I'm not complaining about your edit, just a heads up 21:46 <@carlarc> oh you mean like 21:46 <@carlarc> make a header for variants 21:46 <@carlarc> it's not big enough for a header tbh 21:47 <@luxidream> "As such, most variants don't have this change." should just be omitted. we don't want to have to mention this every time there's a 3.6.1 exclusive change 21:47 <@carlarc> sure 21:49 sizeof(the variant playing community) < sizeof(the current release of vanilla playing community) 21:50 <@luxidream> most variant players are aware of what version their favorite variants are based on 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 5739 points, T:5282, killed by a giant beetle 22:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1134 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14525 22:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] hempe (Nec Vam Fem Cha), 2010 points, T:2440, killed by a dog 22:30 [hdf-us] [dyn] Peter the Yeeter Deleter (PizzaWarudo) (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2676 points, T:1504, killed by a warhorse, while praying 22:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3706 22:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1929 points, T:2976, killed by a wand 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 114 points, T:237, killed by a giant mimic 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 816 points, T:1650, killed by a wand 22:49 @luxidream @carlarc if you want to put 3.6.2 stuff on the wiki, there's now a template for it: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Template:Upcoming 22:49 <@luxidream> cool 22:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:117, killed by a falling rock 22:50 <@carlarc> cool 22:50 <@carlarc> i love seeing stash levels turn into an absolute nightmare over time 22:50 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/539291263720095745/unknown.png 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 643 points, T:1045, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant ant, while praying 22:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] hempe (Nec Vam Fem Cha), 186 points, T:653, killed by a poisonous corpse 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 310 points, T:1525, killed by a giant mimic 23:09 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 23:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Brigit, on T:2280 23:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:30 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:8205 23:43 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4147 23:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9317