00:01 <@luxidream> no 00:03 <@carlarc> why not? 00:03 <{Demo}1> its mean 00:03 <{Demo}1> its like the game is beating u with a stick 00:03 <@carlarc> change the glyph and don't give it a random appareance 00:04 <@luxidream> it's a tool, it's going to be ( 00:04 <@carlarc> yeah? 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 3998 points, T:6220, killed by a snake, while fainted from lack of food 00:04 <@luxidream> presumably also red 00:04 <@carlarc> that's what i mean 00:04 <@carlarc> the color of it 00:10 it saps the relative probability of actually good tools 00:11 it adds barely anything to the game 00:12 <@carlarc> an early source of semi-permanent engravings for elbereth/wards with very little weight sounds like it adds at least something of value to me 00:13 <{Demo}1> its called a hard ring 00:13 <@luxidream> existing doesn't guarantee an item early 00:13 <@luxidream> it's also completely useless past the early game 00:14 <@carlarc> mehh 00:14 <@luxidream> the amount of time where it would be useful is slightly longer than that of a scroll of light 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 68 points, T:85, killed by a jackal, while praying 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 653 points, T:1518, killed by a gnome lord 00:21 <@carlarc> wow, random death drop +5 reflection shiedl 00:21 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 00:21 <@carlarc> what are the chances 00:21 I really need to kick my habit of walking onto every pile of items on the first few levels 00:22 Given that they're almost always taps 00:22 traps* 00:22 <@carlarc> i do that all the time 00:22 <@carlarc> have to get those 3 apples 00:22 <@carlarc> if it has a corpse on top and it's a pile, its a trap 00:22 <@carlarc> it symbolizes other adventurers dying to it 00:23 ik 00:23 goddammit underscore happily paths over them 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4618 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:5597 00:33 <@carlarc> is there a place i can report dnethack stuff? 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9109 00:38 Do right vs left ring fingers actually matter? 00:39 Yes 00:39 If your one-handed weapon is cursed, you can't take off the ring on your right hand. 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:10497 00:40 An incubi might put a ring of adornment on a girl's left hand. 00:40 incubus* 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 112 points, T:942, killed by a jackal 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 22442 points, T:17528, killed by a large cat 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Strappleberry (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 220 points, T:968, killed by a hobbit 00:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed charging", on T:15254 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:15256 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:15440 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh4] i (Strappleberry) (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 27653 points, T:1865, killed by a small mimic 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scroll of genocide", on T:15639 01:06 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:16518 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18978 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased magic marker", on T:19043 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Strappleberry (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 488 points, T:1522, killed by a hobbit 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:19076 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:20094 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:20539 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:20541 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Pri Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:12058 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:21139 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:22079 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:22086 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:22197 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:22292 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:22498 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:22503 01:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased helm of opposite alignment", on T:23220 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1893 points, T:2948, killed by a hobgoblin 01:41 <@LittleBilly> Wait. what. How useful could that helm possibly be? 01:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:24666 01:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:24812 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:25136 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 447346 points, T:25308, killed by an Olog-hai 01:47 <@luxidream> another bust rip 01:47 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:48 <@luxidream> @LittleBilly that helm lets you change alignments on the astral plane, also makes the ascent through hell faster 01:48 <@LittleBilly> Oh so you just can take the more convenient altar 01:49 <@luxidream> time was kinda bad, oh well 01:49 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 01:49 <@luxidream> I'll give it another shot soon 01:50 <@luxidream> 0:1 wands of wishing are a curse 01:50 <@LittleBilly> Hmm? 01:51 <@luxidream> at the bottom of the dungeon, you get a guaranteed wand of wishing 01:51 <@luxidream> it can have anywhere between 1 and 3 charges initially 01:51 <@luxidream> I'm just being salty, I've had quite a few runs where I've had to deal with the minimum number of charges 01:52 <@LittleBilly> Yeah.. If wishes were fishes 01:52 <@LittleBilly> The salinity would drive them to extinction :P 01:54 <@LittleBilly> Better luck next time ^_^ 01:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:24 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 11:22 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 11:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:31 bhaak: did you see that reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/ajb2w9/german_nethack_guidebook_from_around_1990/ 11:34 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 11:36 I am having issues with my config file on the us server. Autopickup won't work for me in the config file. If I switch on the option in game it works fine. Here is a link to my config file: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AlbertB/nh361/AlbertB.nh361rc 11:36 Any ideas? 11:36 A similar config file works for autopickup on the EU server. 11:36 AlbertB: pickup_types override autopickup_exceptions, i think 11:38 stenno: ??? 11:38 I already played around with and without pickup_type. Doesen't change anyting. 11:39 wait did you start a new game after setting that 11:39 No, I just save the game and re-enter. Isn't that enough? 11:40 not neccessarily 11:40 depends on the option 11:40 so you might want to start a new game for it to work 11:41 that hard cover nethack guidebook is fucking cool 11:41 <--- want 11:42 stenno: I started a new game. It works now! Thanks. 11:42 ok, nice 11:43 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3144 11:55 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:7579 12:08 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 21837 points, T:8548, dismembered by an invisible ogre mage 12:20 <@luxidream> stenno: how did they translate “Keystone Kop” to “brick” lmao 12:21 <@luxidream> is that how German works? 12:21 no 12:21 brick is the wrong word too 12:21 it's actually 'cobblestone' 12:21 should correct that 12:23 idk what they screwed up there though 12:24 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Dra Hum Fem Neu), 1231 points, T:2046, killed by an acidic corpse 12:29 [hdf-us] [4k] uh (Waab) (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 3498 points, T:813, killed by a gnome lord 12:29 @luxidream the german text implies that the translators really thought that the monster is actually a cobblestone 12:30 <@luxidream> 🤔 12:31 it even asks: "Do you know how to kill something that is not even alive?" 12:32 it also says that 'stalkers' are sent by the shopkeepers to retrieve owed money from the player 12:34 lol 12:34 keystone = the stone in an arch that keeps it all together 12:35 not cobblestone = on the ground 12:35 raisse: clearly you are not well versed in minecraft ;) 12:35 giant towers of cobblestone 12:36 if they at least called it the translation of 'cobblestone kops' in german, but it's just 'cobblestone' 12:36 aosdict: you're right about that, never tried 12:36 it's sort of a punny name and thus isn't going to translate that well 12:36 <@luxidream> "Do you know how to kill something that is not even alive?" 12:36 <@luxidream> What about zombies? 12:36 you "destroy" them, you don't "kill" them 12:37 yeah it's impossible 12:37 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 545 points, T:1549, defeated by a gecko, while frozen by a trap 12:37 even nonliving things like golems and vortices 12:38 maybe a closer translation could be "do you know how to drain a nonliving thing of its lifeforce?" 12:39 to drain a cobblestone of its non-existing lifeforce 12:41 @luxidream so are you reading excerpts of the guidebook in german or what 12:41 aosdict: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/ajb2w9/german_nethack_guidebook_from_around_1990/ 12:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:42 oh I didn't realize there was more than just the cover 12:42 jedi knight wat 12:44 keystone kops actually replaced kobolds 12:45 oh, one monster per letter? 12:53 <@luxidream> that quantum mechanic looks a lot more awesome that what I pictured in my head 12:54 <@luxidream> !lastgame 12:54 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Noah/splicehack/dumplog/1548350646.splice.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spontiff/nh361/dumplog/1547932134.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nh361/dumplog/1547955697.nh361.txt 12:55 <@luxidream> rip paci 12:55 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:00 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 2081 points, T:2111, slain by a dwarf, while sleeping 13:00 <@Tone> Are they looking for a dungeon that will allow minimum score? 13:00 cough xnethack cough 13:03 no way did i ever imagine quantum mechanics looking like that 13:04 also, healers look way cooler than a 16th century quaker 13:04 <@carlarc> that quantum mechanic has a very nice codpiece 13:05 i was trying not to notice that 13:05 you had to spoil it didn't you 13:06 [hdf-us] [fh] Stane7 (catthedd) (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:24427 13:06 [hdf-us] [fh] Stane7 (catthedd) (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class 'Z', on T:24429 13:06 anyway pretty sure that's what an iron golem looks like 13:06 <@Tone> I never realized that mechanic meant they were mechanical constructs 13:06 gotta get that natural 3 AC somehow! 13:06 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 322 points, T:996, sent to the grave by a gnome lord 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 3884 points, T:3833, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:16 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 475 points, T:1304, killed by a rabid rat 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1413 points, T:1329, quit 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3957 13:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:9147 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7757 points, T:9204, quit 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 802 points, T:1654, killed by a gnome lord 13:41 #hardfought seems much more active than #nethack nowadays tbf 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2950 13:49 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5280 13:54 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6015 13:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:57 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 cursed scroll of genocide", on T:6751 13:58 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 765 points, T:2558, murdered by a werejackal 14:00 -!- jilles has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1114 points, T:1648, killed by a giant ant 14:01 I've seen this cover before. 14:01 probably an old post in rgrn 14:02 nethack was evidently in the zeitgeist enough to have someone commission artwork of it (that, or it's entirely fan made) 14:03 there was lots of strange stuff going round back then. 14:04 whole games were made by 1 or 2 people and then sold by a publisher which only operated out of his cellar 14:06 <@carlarc> how hard is the tourist quest? 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:9954 14:07 it's easy 14:07 especially if you have free action and a potion of paralysis 14:07 but otherwise, also 14:08 <@carlarc> also what 14:08 also easy 14:08 it's easy even if you don't have those things 14:09 <@carlarc> ah 14:09 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:09 the master of thieves is a medium wimp (slightly less wimpy than Lord Surtur or the Dark One) 14:10 put him to sleep and beat him up 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:22008 14:12 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed charging", on T:10563 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of conflict", on T:10569 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:10777 14:19 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:11931 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:11933 14:24 nice pace 14:25 stenno: yeah, 2.3 had 1 letter 1 monster. 14:25 so listing both Kobold and Keystone Kops is redundant 14:25 right 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:13573 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh343] UltimateThule (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:76380 14:28 what about k/K? 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scroll of genocide", on T:13819 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2720 points, T:3614, killed by a giant beetle 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:13820 14:30 they were distinct. unless you had a terminal that could only show uppercase or lowercase at a time, you were fine 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 33 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:14184 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:14371 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:14663 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:14874 14:39 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 14:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was given Infinity's Mirrored Arc, on T:44410 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:15364 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:15365 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:16339 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:16352 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:16747 14:48 <@carlarc> wow that lightsaber sure is complicated 14:51 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 3087 points, T:3704, murdered by a wallaby 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:17162 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:17167 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:17231 14:54 -!- jilles has joined #hardfought 14:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was given the Holy Moonlight Sword, on T:44857 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:19078 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:19442 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 564523 points, T:19474, killed by brainlessness (with the Amulet) 15:04 <@luxidream> >! melee attack 15:04 <@luxidream> goodbye charging, goodbye game 15:04 <@luxidream> >1 15:06 I just had a door resist TEN TIMES 15:06 (didn't matter, lucikly) 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1214 points, T:1463, killed by a Woodland-elf 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 224 points, T:796, killed by a water moccasin 15:16 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2433 15:20 [hdf-us] [dyn] Hraskalm (mysteradio) (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 796 points, T:4341, killed by a dwarf 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4914 points, T:4611, quit 15:30 !rng xnh spl sh 15:30 stenno: spl 15:33 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 15:35 <@luxidream> !rng vanilla vanilla kms nh4 dyna xnh kms 15:35 @luxidream: vanilla 15:36 dayum 15:36 how do you get killed by a tiny harmless dart 15:38 probably getting beat on my 4 soldier ants prior to 15:38 *by 15:38 then boop 15:38 dart 15:38 <@Webmant> never doubt the dart 15:39 YASI: Whenever you are at 1 HP and something hits you to death, replace the word "hits" with "cherry-taps" 15:39 i've died by something similar. somehow get through an epic fight against 12 monsters, next turn take a step into a spiked pit. RIP 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2698 15:43 Reminds me of playing xpilot, where sometimes you'd fly unscathed through the most astonishing hail of bullets zipping in all directions, only to get collected by a single stray one at the point you go "whew!" 15:45 Adeon: such is life and death in the dungeons of doom 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6311 15:58 darts can also be poison instadeath (which is bad and should be removed from the game) 15:59 yeah, but then it's a little dart 15:59 Ah, a thrown one would be "poisoned dart"? 15:59 although the resulting object is the same as the one thrown by monsters 15:59 cherry-taps> presumably only if it actually _does_ 1HP, not if a mumak comes up and thwomps you for 80 HP when you only had 1, flattening you 16:02 Apropos of which the IRC bots for DCSS have a neat ".owned" command that tells you when you were killed by a hit that did more damage than your max HP, something that might be fun to have here 16:02 when does that ever happen in nethack? seems pretty rare 16:03 mumakil and ashikaga takauji and random player monsters wielding vorpal blade? 16:03 mumak or early dwarf with mattock 16:03 It's pretty rare even in DCSS - my friend V has about 2000 games and it hasn't happened to her. And gah, you'd have to filter out instakills implemented by doing massive damage 16:03 But it's amusing when it does :-) 16:04 Minotaurs must do it sometimes, or early summon+anger of demons for chaotics? 16:04 My train's arriving so you can say it's a terrible idea while I'm offline :-) 16:04 [hdf-us] [fh] Stane7 (catthedd) (Val Hum Fem Neu) defeated Medusa, on T:25043 16:05 a fire attack can also do a lot of damage if you're carrying many scrolls and potions 16:05 but those are implemented as many small hits 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed charging", on T:9582 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:9599 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:9616 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:9627 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:9985 16:15 are there any players that find the rogue tribute level useful or that it contributes to the game in a positive way? 16:16 sometimes it's useful if you are low on food 16:16 usually a stack of food rations near the ghost 16:16 also you can 1-kill trolls 16:17 <@luxidream> you can light up the entire room with a wand of light 16:17 <@luxidream> otherwise it sucks 16:18 bigrooms are worse 16:18 -!- Skylord_Guthix has joined #hardfought 16:19 but they work as designed 16:19 'designed' 16:19 I'm not sure what the purpose of the rogue level is. besides being an obnoxious obstacle 16:19 <{Demo}1> fuck the rogue level 16:20 someone thought it would be nostalgic to have rogue-looking level long ago 16:20 so they put it there 16:20 they didn't think about the Balance 16:20 <{Demo}1> I'd remove it from ndnh but I can't 16:20 it's not really terrible 16:20 I just find it annoying 16:20 {Demo}1: why? 16:20 destroy it 16:21 <{Demo}1> cause turning it off as a compile time option doesn't work 16:21 i guess i'm indifferent to its existence 16:21 <{Demo}1> so I'd have to waste time like actually properly cleaning it up 16:21 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:21 <{Demo}1> and I can't will myself to do that 16:22 {Demo}1: just remove the line from the dungeon.def. then it will never be loaded 16:22 <{Demo}1> also isn't reincarnation used for something else 16:22 <{Demo}1> tried that 16:22 <{Demo}1> had some error somewhere and didn't want to deal with looking any further 16:22 what would be put instead of the rogue level? 16:22 inb4 1ES 16:23 nothing :) 16:23 <{Demo}1> optimally nothing 16:23 bhaak: I don't like the rogue level and was thinking of removing it 16:23 <{Demo}1> remove rogue level from vanilla, do it 16:23 so nothing between quest and medusa 16:23 <{Demo}1> aosdict instead u should get the dt to do it so u don't have to and have less merge conflict related issues 16:24 <{Demo}1> stenno: special rooms 16:24 i guess 16:24 bhaak: I also don't like how the rogue level necessitates a ton of scattered special cases all over the code and its own level generator. 16:25 aosdict: yes. but that shows how much rogue differs from nethack. well, the "original" rogue. 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:12579 16:25 "nethack works this way, unless Is_rogue_level, in which case the behavior is totally different and confusing!" 16:25 aosdict: just remove the line from dungeon.def. that will disable it and minimizes the conflicts 16:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:46416 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:12609 16:26 my anecdote from the rogue level is back in the day I was playing locally and unspoiled, I got to the rogue level and got stuck by trying to open the + doors and being told "This doorway has no door" 16:26 but it still *looked* like a closed door 16:26 hehe 16:26 can happen in non-rogue too assuming there are brown spellbooks 16:26 only on bones levels 16:27 of course, the Evil Patch specifically generates brown spellbooks in doors 16:27 is monster generation restricted on the rogue level? 16:27 only uppercase monsters 16:27 but they are still in-depth? 16:28 I guess so. 16:28 but i think you will also only get uppercase monsters zapping /oCM 16:28 not sure about that thou 16:28 only uppercase letters still allows for confusion. rogue had only one monster type per letter 16:29 hehe 16:29 bhaak: right, that's the way to go to minimize conflicts, which is really frustrating and keeping me from carrying out refactors I really want to do but shouldn't because they'll just cause pointless conflicts 16:30 the good old days, when the devteam didn't do any dev :-) 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:13267 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:13268 16:33 bhaak: how come all of the commits are from PatR and nhmall 16:33 (and sometimes ais523) 16:33 where are the bhaak and lorimer commits 16:33 in orctown 16:34 doh 16:34 you forgot paxed 16:34 vanilla commit frequency: patr > nhmall > paxed > ais > bhaak, keni, anyone else 16:36 <{Demo}1> bhaak doesn't have push access 16:36 <{Demo}1> he just now learned his commits aren't going anywhere 16:36 oh no! 16:36 lol 16:36 all my commits that redesigned gehennom! 16:36 no . soup . for . you 16:36 given the devteam's apparent dysfunctional systems that actually sounds plausible 16:37 the whole new ascension run that is a replication of the avengers defending new york? all gone?!? 16:37 <{Demo}1> apparently all ur commits have been going to slex 16:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 pick-axe", on T:14339 16:39 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 16:40 <@luxidream> bhaak: just do whatever you want to vanilla 16:40 <@luxidream> people will be too scared to actually change it over the controversy 16:41 add Matt Damon 16:41 ah shit... 16:41 @luxidream the fallacy in that is that people usually don't care. they just think it's new challenge 16:41 in switching out my xshitty comcast modem with a decent 3rd party modem, i have lost IPv6 16:42 <@luxidream> I meant the other devteam members. from what I've heard from patr players don't matter 16:42 I did the comcast modem switch on my 2nd day of comcast 16:42 it had a weird pattern in terms of throughput 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof bag of holding", on T:14419 16:42 wifi was much faster than wired connection 16:42 I have a desktop computer on wired and laptops on wifi 16:43 i've done it before, just been procastinating when i got 1Gbps service a few months ago 16:43 got a dedicated cable box and wifi box 16:43 had to stay home with the kid today so figured today was a good day 16:43 -!- Gaelan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43 i bet if i call comcast back they'll say they are unable to provision this arris surfboard to use ipv6 16:44 even though its fully capable 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:14525 16:44 Adeon wifi faster than wired? 16:44 yes 16:44 you stuck with 10/100mbps switch? 16:45 it had one? 16:45 I returned it ages ago 16:45 ah 16:45 hrm 16:45 i've got wired 1gbps setup through a good part of the house 16:45 <{Demo}1> 10/100 switches are part of the reason I wish private explosives were more legal in the US and my state 16:46 <{Demo}1> would it not be fun to go out to a safe place to do it and blow up some old network hardware? 16:46 heh 16:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:14862 16:47 this makes me miss my sub 1ms ping to hdf-us 16:47 @luxidream worse, it's that _variant_ players don't matter 16:48 I can't remember; has Pat made any commits so far that actually involve new features that weren't bugfixes or associated with bugfixes? 16:49 If not, maybe his ideal nethack is just one that stays the same feature-wise forever and only fixes bugs. 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:15242 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:15243 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:15329 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 199808 points, T:15329, killed by brainlessness, while helpless 16:50 <@luxidream> wow 16:51 for 3.6, I don't remember anything substantial 16:51 !lastgame Luxidream us 16:51 aosdict: No last game for (Luxidream,us). 16:51 !lastgame Luxidream 16:51 aosdict: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1548362146.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 16:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:51 rip 16:52 !tell Tangles The livelog should arguably not register "averted death" if you are dying to something like brainlessness where life saving won't help 16:52 I'm on it, aosdict. 16:52 but 3.6 is in bugfix mode. "should" be 16:53 any word on 3.7 development then? 16:53 after the release of 3.6.2. whenever that happens :) 16:53 give public 3.7 github pls kthx 16:53 oh damn @luxidream 16:54 <@luxidream> it had no warning symbol? 16:54