00:00 your comments about the moon warranted a imgpost from the mooninites. 00:13 Is it just me, or is #nethack really inactive these days? 00:18 raisse: it's great, I was so happy that the overcast sky went totally clear 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2728 points, T:2247, killed by a gnome lord 00:26 Gaelan: party is at K2's house now 00:26 bouquet: ?? 00:27 #hardfought is K2's house 00:27 ah ok 00:27 (not physically anymore though) 00:27 Gaelan: I noticed it to and am suggesting that a lot of people migrated to #hardfought 00:27 %s/to/too 00:27 get it now 00:28 let me write a sonnet about it ;) 00:29 bouquet: ##nethack-variants didn't exist until after #hardfought, and it seems like once it existed as a nethack server willing to host all the variants, all the variant discussion and thus the bulk of game dev discussion got captured here 00:30 that's kind of how my poem was going to go, thanks. 00:46 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:61989 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2841 points, T:4240, killed by a giant spider 00:53 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:57551 00:59 -!- sqlmapp1n has left #hardfought 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:514 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 495 points, T:841, killed by a giant bat 01:13 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cornuthaum", on T:62413 01:14 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed magic marker", on T:62420 01:24 nice catname 01:33 Karnac plays curses with perm_inv off. He deserved that. 01:35 <@carlarc> that's disgusting 01:35 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:35 <@carlarc> if you die while polymorphed amulets of life saving are used up right 01:39 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 01:39 carlarc: I think you unpoly first 01:39 -!- raisse is now known as Guest25296 01:40 -!- Guest25296 is now known as raisse 01:40 but then I hardly ever wear amulets of life saving (or polyself, for that matter) so I don't know from experience 01:42 -!- moony has quit [*.net *.split] 01:42 -!- tungtn has quit [*.net *.split] 01:42 -!- tungtn has joined #hardfought 01:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tungtn] by ChanServ 01:42 <@luxidream> @carlarc you depoly, then lifesave 01:43 <@luxidream> Gaelan: I play perm_inv off fight me 01:43 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 01:43 consider yourself fought 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:55493 01:44 But seriously why? 01:44 <@carlarc> niiiice 01:44 <@carlarc> my plan is to poly into mindflayer, then if decap quaff vampire blood, then put on lifesaver 01:45 <@carlarc> luxi you don't use curses though 01:45 <@luxidream> I do 01:45 <@carlarc> oh 01:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:45 <@carlarc> didn't notice 01:45 <@luxidream> Gaelan: the empty space is where I put the speedrun timer 01:46 oh, fair 01:46 <@carlarc> smart 01:46 * Gaelan is a pleb who hasn't gotten past dlvl ~10 and couldn't dream of speedrunning 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1060 01:47 <@carlarc> hint: aim for the head 01:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 591 points, T:1540, killed by a dwarf 01:51 <@luxidream> Gaelan: have you tried playing valkyrie 01:51 pfft 01:52 Maybe I should, but where's the fun in that 01:52 ? 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 106 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:56069 01:52 <@carlarc> you'll learn more if you actually survive up to the castle 01:53 <@carlarc> instead of trying and failing over and over with weak roles 01:53 <@carlarc> plus its more fun 01:54 <@luxidream> what is your favorite role right now? 01:55 if Gaelan doesn't think valk is fun, telling them it is doesn't make it so 01:56 I just play on random characters—probably makes ascending harder, but the variation is fun 01:56 But if I had to pick one I'd go wiz 01:56 argh! that wasn't a statue of a jackal, it was a live little dog, and it killed me 01:56 Which is admittedly not the best decision for a noob, but... 01:57 <@luxidream> wizard isn't terribly hard, it's also not terribly easy 01:57 perhaps it's a good idea to stick to wiz until you've learned enough to get to the castle 01:58 to avoid having to learn everything at once 01:58 <@luxidream> very popular role, favorite of many 01:59 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Three-fingered Inverurie the black marketeer on T:63178 02:00 monk is the dark horse role for actually having an easier than expected early game and a nice easing into spellcasting without it being necessary as much as wiz 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:56913 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:56914 02:05 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible One-eyed Sam, on T:63290 02:06 <@carlarc> 😎 02:06 <@luxidream> looks like it went well 02:07 <@carlarc> a naga, a rust monster, and a centipede got inside the iron bar holes so i didn't have to worry about sam getting near 02:07 <@carlarc> i just spammed drain life 02:08 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Barefoot Akureyri the black marketeer on T:63320 02:08 <@luxidream> oh 02:08 <@luxidream> ez 02:10 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Four-toed Tapper the black marketeer on T:63442 02:11 <@luxidream> now if only sam could hire some people with a normal amount of limbs 02:12 <@luxidream> and other body parts 02:12 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Color-blind Donmyar the black marketeer on T:63482 02:12 <@carlarc> they all have some sort of disability apparently 02:12 <@luxidream> ok he qualifies 02:12 <@carlarc> except for one that's named "four limbed" 02:13 <@luxidream> if he's colorblind how does he tell the difference between items in his shop 🤔 02:13 <@carlarc> identify 02:13 <@carlarc> magic is the one true equalizer 02:13 <@luxidream> if he's colorblind he doesn't know which one is the identify spellbook 02:13 <@luxidream> 🤔 02:13 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed One-handed Kiltamagh the black marketeer on T:63512 02:14 <@luxidream> how does he wear the shield of reflection if he only has one hand?? 02:15 <@carlarc> oh my god 02:15 <@carlarc> i hate stone to flesh 02:15 <@carlarc> i muscle memoried all my rings into meat 02:15 strap it to the stump 02:15 <@carlarc> and my luckstone too 02:16 <@carlarc> oh one handed shopkeep didn't have a shield 02:16 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Four-limbed Sablja the black marketeer on T:63526 02:17 Either way, a shield's strapped to your arm anyhow. 02:17 <@luxidream> yeah, that guy's not disabled at all 02:17 <@luxidream> lucky he didn't get fired 02:18 I wonder how you get that nickname. Probably saw the theme going and went with it. 02:18 <@carlarc> pain in meaty form 02:18 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/536806711839686657/unknown.png 02:18 <@carlarc> only my regen ring made it out safe and sound 02:19 <@carlarc> rip levitation, conflict, slow digestion 02:19 <@luxidream> just loot the black market lol 02:19 <@luxidream> probably spares of all of those 02:19 <@carlarc> yeah but what about the sentimental value 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:57844 02:20 <@luxidream> sentimental value of nethack items? 02:46 <@carlarc> hmm 02:47 <@carlarc> should i get redundant +5 magic dragon scale mail or keep my +3 glowing acid scale mail 02:47 <@carlarc> my AC is -39 02:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:50 seems to be enough 03:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 179 points, T:342, killed by a giant mimic 03:22 It one-shot me. 03:23 <@carlarc> u probably shouldnt try to kite mimics until at least 20-25 hp 03:24 <@carlarc> archs have intrinsic speed so this is ur fault tho 03:24 <@carlarc> iirc they move/attack every 3 turns 03:24 <@carlarc> plan with that in mind 03:26 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:34 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:39 I've done it with 12. That's the point at which they won't one-shot you 04:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 816 points, T:1719, killed by an invisible hill orc 04:06 c;mon 04:06 c'mon* 04:06 I mean, I guess it's karma (I was on the bones of Karnac, who I was giving a hard time about perm_inv) 04:06 also, they were punished when they died 04:07 presumably left something in their bones that the orc could make itself invisible with 04:16 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:16 -!- stennowork has quit [Changing host] 04:16 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 04:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 256 points, T:947, killed by a werejackal 05:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) genocided class T, on T:60339 05:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:10 The water nymph steals a cursed thoroughly rusty +0 helm of opposite alignment! 05:10 you're welcome to it, girl 05:24 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:27 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 05:29 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:53675 06:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:53804 06:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic lamp", on T:53942 07:01 rip wish 07:20 omg its cold 07:20 errrrmahgerd 07:22 -8 degree celsius here 07:22 but i figured something out! 07:22 if you wear a nice warm jacket, you don't get that cold! 07:22 a revelation 07:23 indeed 07:23 -10 F here...so thats 07:24 -23 C 07:24 :( 07:24 wait too cold 07:24 s/wait/way/ 07:24 its supposed to be -20 something F tonight 07:24 we go all that awesome snow! 07:24 *got 07:24 eh 07:24 i hate snow 07:25 most of the time 07:25 there is this sweet spot when the snow has fallen fresh, and the sun is shining 07:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:25 that is exactly the moment where snow is nice 07:25 heh 07:25 otherwise it's super annoying and uncomfortable 07:25 i like it 07:25 snow == no mud 07:26 no mud == me not constantly cleaning off my crazy dogs 07:26 snow turns into dirty cold mud very quickly 07:26 ;) 07:26 ok off to work, see you from there 07:26 hf 07:29 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:31 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:53 stennowork make it warm again 07:53 use your powers for good for a change 08:06 Yeah, muddy weather sucks. You can't go anywhere without getting really dirty. 08:06 I take freezing temperatures anytime. 08:09 ^ that 08:09 we have a 5th season in vermont. 'mud season' 08:13 Mud season is winter here. 08:18 alrighty. lets see what's new with nethack 3.6.2 08:18 i'm trying to make monday's 'update day' for vanilla 3.6.2 08:19 if i can remember to do it :P 08:20 latest commit is 'Make demon gating show a message' <---- I read that as 'Matt Damon gating show message' 08:20 * K2 wants to see Matt Damon as an NPC 08:20 the Shire calendar calls that "winterfilth" 08:20 bhaak! make that happen please kthx 08:23 last night a friend from Texas was sort of dumbfounded that weather could be cold enough to be dangerous 08:23 hah 08:24 cold in Texas is 50 degrees 08:24 Lol 08:27 last time i patched 362 was jan 8th 08:27 so yeah we're due 08:28 yay no merge conflicts 08:29 What do you do if there are conflicts? 08:29 resolve them 08:29 it might be something with Tangles livelogging, etc 08:29 Hm. 08:29 or msgtyp=alert 08:30 when devteam incorporated tangles curses fixes, it wasnt exact. that was a fair amount or merge work 08:30 err curses in general (not fixes) 08:30 Cannot imagine trying to resolve someone else's code. 08:31 It's annoying enough for my own. 08:31 I generally try my best to avoid conflicts in the first place. 08:31 i've gotten a lot better at it of late 08:31 sometimes I need help but lately its only been one or two things, and its been with TNNT and aosdict's code 08:34 NetHack 362-hdf updated (all servers) 08:35 yup, one merge conflict against TNNT code 08:35 src/attrib.c 08:36 it happens semi-frequently with TNNT because of all the achievement code 08:38 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 08:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:40 hmm... yeah I may need aosdict to look at this one. the change is different enough, i might screw up this achievement 08:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:52 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 09:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:41 K2: I'm fucking Matt Damon? 09:41 sounds like a hallucination message 09:41 are you? is he any good? 09:42 i heard he was mediocre... 09:42 :P 09:42 from who 09:42 you know... people 09:43 if I were fucking Matt Damon, I would only be one fuck away from Sarah Silverman. 09:43 sounds like a good deal, regardless if he's any good 09:44 sarah silverman looks like amy winehouse without drugs 09:44 hmm, is that an insult or not? 09:45 i'm going with 'not' 09:45 nah it's not 09:47 are Matt and Sarah a thing? 09:47 i didnt know they were together 09:47 matt damon is an incubus? 09:47 I don't even know who any of these people are 09:47 lol attie 09:47 american actors 09:48 ah. 09:49 carry on then. 09:49 damn she's a year older than me 09:49 i thought Sarah was younger 09:55 stennowork you play chess on lichess.org right? 09:56 i did, once, many years ago 09:56 been playing a fair amount lately. was getting tired of having my ass handed to me on a repeated basis by the chess program on my phone 09:56 oh yeah feel free to obliterate me 09:56 i need to make an account there 09:56 but not now, maybe tonight 09:57 heh no rush, just wondering if you still played there 10:02 UnNetHack updated (all servers) 10:02 ^ the Matt Damon build 10:03 i like matt damon as an actor 10:03 somehow he plays in all the cool movies 10:05 i do too 10:06 K2: you know how Jimmy Kimmel never has time for Matt Damon? 10:06 yeah... that's messed up 10:08 K2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSfoF6MhgLA 10:09 hahah 10:09 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:12 'hey Kimmel, how do ya like THEM apples?' 10:12 bwahahah 10:14 kimmel is one of the late show hosts i don't really like 10:15 come to think of it there is hardly one left that i like 10:15 what about Conan? 10:15 yeah conan is cool 10:15 seth meyer is also cool 10:15 but thats about it 10:15 samantha bee can be funny sometimes 10:16 colbert has gotten really really terrible 10:17 jimmy fallon was fun in SNL but is boring nowadays 10:17 I'm out of regularly watching them, I only watch bits on YT nowadays :) 10:22 i miss jon stewart from the daily show 10:22 yes, he was the god 10:22 and colbert report was just as good 10:22 stennowork i just won my first ever lichess game with a registered account! 10:23 \o/ 10:23 o7 gg 10:23 heh 10:23 k2_1971 is me 10:23 K2 was taken dammit 10:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:27 <@kritixilithos> oh cool, I can spectate you live :D 10:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 10:28 watch me manage my inventory, it's fascinating! 10:29 gogogo 10:31 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:34 ah nice, I had polycontrol 10:34 lower mines time i guess 10:35 K2, i should get +V too because i am nhqdb admin !!! 10:35 heh 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 9938 points, T:7044, quit 10:44 this is the third bag of holding this game 10:44 where's the swap chest when the desirable items are unequally distributed 10:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:55 what, there are no other K2s from 1971 out there? 10:56 better not be 10:56 still not +V smh my head 10:56 variant authors and devteam +v 10:57 being nhqdb admin literally makes me almost a part of the devteam 10:57 how can you not see this???1? 10:57 lol 10:59 I think that's the first I've seen someone insert 1s into a string of *question marks* (deliberately, obviously) 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:12271 11:00 it's called 'einselfing' in german 11:00 one-elevening 11:01 i guess it wasn't really appropriate for ? 11:01 ??/? 11:01 looks a bit stupid 11:01 ???!?? 11:02 !?!?!?!1111eleven 11:02 yeah like that 11:02 !?!?!!1111 11:02 it makes slightly more sense in German, as "elf" is much shorter than "eleven" 11:02 bhaak's got it 11:02 einself! 11:03 saw it first at FeFe 11:03 but i haven't read fefe in a few years now 11:03 it's a Usenet thing 11:04 although it's possible that it could have started in IRC as well 11:05 but as IRC is already quite easygoing with writing, it's much more of an expression of an outrage if you write sloppy in an Usenet posting 11:06 maybe it's in the hacker jargon? 11:06 unfortunately esr didn't include a search form 11:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07 smoky booze 11:07 and the gnome king's wine cellar 11:07 unlikely. he's rather weak in including non US stuff, even throwing out stuff that he deemed no longer current. although hist hacker jargon file is no longer current as well 11:07 hm fair 11:08 stennowork: I get the feeling you should change your nick to stennoprocrastinate :P 11:08 gotta collect some energy for the stuff i have to do next 11:08 or stennomultitaskingwork? 11:09 or stennoitscompiling! 11:09 stennoenergycollectioninprogress 11:10 stenno5funbuckzforunlimitedlives 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:15351 11:11 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:11 pls ppl 11:12 read that as "forum limited lives" 11:12 forum LTD lives 11:19 anyway guess i'll turn in for the night. see y'all! 11:19 o7 11:20 gnite attie 11:24 How massively unpopular would it be, following Pinkbeast's and other's ideas that diluted potions should be less effective than a full-strength version, and make it so that a diluted healing potion (and extra, full) will never cause any max HP gain? 11:24 very unpopular 11:24 YANI ^ because it's a new take on it 11:25 also interested in @luxidream's input 11:26 i am ok with the 'less effective', but the not giving maxhp is stupid because that's why you do alchemy in the first place 11:26 FWIW my suggestion is that a diluted potion causes half max HP gain. 11:26 that sounds a bit faierer 11:26 fairer 11:26 This makes H->EH worthwhile, but not EH->FH. 11:27 why not eh->ef ? 11:27 rr 11:27 stennowork: I am not really a fan of how basically everyone should be saving up for alchemy 11:27 eh => fh ? 11:27 I might go so far as to say blessed diluted EH and blessed undiluted H should both give 2 max HP, making H->EH only desirable for actual healing. 11:27 stennowork: Because a diluted FH gives 4 max HP now, and the undiluted EH gives 5. 11:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:28 Pinkbeast, i was thinking about h => eh => hf 11:28 FH 11:28 god dammit 11:28 Pinkbeast: Was it also your idea that a stack of diluted potions should be useless for further alchemy, so H -> diluted EH is not further turnable into FH? 11:28 stennowork: The diluted stack of EH halves in quantity when becoming diluted FH. 11:29 aosdict: It should half in quantity; or, if the diluted potion is being dipped into, the number of dipped potions alchemised is halved. 11:29 Maybe I should write all this down. 11:30 Pinkbeast, aah ok 11:30 I wonder how that would be flavored. 11:30 "As the potions mix, water bubbles out and spills onto the floor"? 11:31 s/water/liquid/ ? 11:31 Or steam boils off? 11:32 stennowork: Ideally you would want it to indicate to the player that the loss is because there's a lot of regular water in your mixture 11:33 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:22842 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:23285 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 68443 points, T:23436, quit 11:36 <@luxidream> stupid purple liches 11:37 <@luxidream> aosdict: honestly? it's probably alright for balance, certainly better than Fourk's nerf 11:39 yeah i'm getting hooked on chess again 11:39 which is good 11:39 Good™ even 11:39 @luxidream good to know, but it seems like most players would hate hate hate it 11:39 also, I'm wary of just shifting the "thing everyone should do" from alchemy to nurse dancing 11:40 nurse dancing is only efficient up to a certain point 11:40 Well, the need for an overall cap on max HP gains is another question. 11:40 alchemy is always efficient 11:40 i would be fine with cap of 400 max hp 11:40 that's more than enough 11:40 at least in vanila 11:40 Level dependent - give those wraith corpses some actual utility, rather than just being a way to see more arch-lichen 11:41 stennowork: Yeah, but if everyone is suddenly facing the dilemma of toughing it out with their 120ish regular HP plus maybe some from natural healing pots, versus nurse dancing up to 200... 11:42 i always saw FH-alchemizing as a lategame thing anyway 11:42 I'm looking at this in the context of the late game 11:43 just before attacking Rodney 11:44 hmm 11:47 aosdict: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/alchemyproposal.txt is what I propose 11:48 you write quickly 11:48 I save time by not making sense 11:49 ... and by revising it with a series of afterthoughts, oops. 11:49 haha 11:51 vanilla' 11:51 s change to alchemy somewhat reduces the tendency to hoard potions 11:52 I mean, it's annoying but it does dissaude me from piling up 50 potions of extra healing and alchemizing them all at once 11:53 oh6: why? it only makes so many of them mix at once 11:53 but there's no serious risk in dipping a stack of 50 potions into 1 11:54 but there's no benefit either - you might as well dip when you have 9 11:55 Pinkbeast: doesn't it already take 2 turns to use a consumable out of a container? 11:55 well, 2 actions 11:55 aosdict: It does, but with a risk of destruction in the intervening turn. 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:7963 11:55 Let me clarify that. 11:57 <@carlarc> YANI: laminating film to fireproof/waterproof scrolls 11:58 Added "(ie, getting the benefit of the consumable immediately with no risk of it being destroyed, but still taking the time it would take to apply the container and then use the consumable)." 11:59 Pinkbeast: there's some analysis to be done regarding the dilution effect on the regular HP regain for duluted potions. 11:59 Let me run the numbers... 11:59 blessed potion of healing, undiluted, is 8d4 hp. If you upgrade that to xhealing, blessed diluted xhealing is 8d8/2 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 906 points, T:1237, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 12:01 An argument could be made that H->diluted XH should still be worth doing for healing purposes, just as XH->diluted FH is. 12:01 looks like 8d4 gives better returns than 8d8/2 12:02 meanwhile, undiluted XH to diluted FH is no contest 12:03 The XL-dependent element suggested below could correct that, but adding a note to the effect that probably wants looked at. 12:03 8d8 blessed -> 200 flat 12:03 so it would weirdly still be optimal to alchemize everything up to full healing 12:04 if you're chasing actual heals and not maxHP gains 12:04 I think that's fair enough - at least you come up with a lot fewer FH and they do less each. 12:05 djinn wishes in Un can't be for magical items, right? 12:06 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Cav Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed tinning kit", on T:58170 12:07 stingy djinni :P 12:08 only wand of wishing wishes can be used for magical items 12:09 <{Demo}1> which is kind of the wrong direction to take things i think 12:09