00:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:18272 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of conflict", on T:19292 00:10 -!- dograt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12 -!- dograt has joined #hardfought 00:16 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 1670 points, T:2367, killed by a rothe 00:16 <{Demo}1> damn. grays 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law), 42785 points, T:20521, killed by an invisible barbed devil 00:16 <@luxidream> castle L'd 00:16 <@luxidream> gg 00:18 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 822 points, T:1558, died of starvation 00:18 <{Demo}1> :( 00:19 <@luxidream> I hate how you can do really well and then all of a sudden the game decides your run ends and it does 00:23 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:23 <{Demo}1> such is speedrunning 00:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 561 points, T:1467, killed by a dwarf 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3666 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1838 points, T:3895, killed by a dwarf zombie 00:46 <@carlarc> what is this nightmare room!? 00:46 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/536421167863431188/unknown.png 00:46 <{Demo}1> basically, Un is incredibly unbalancrd 00:46 <{Demo}1> and this is something bhaak won't budge on 00:47 <{Demo}1> disenchanters hit for enough damage that if you are low xlvl you will die 00:47 <{Demo}1> and rooms like that can spawn on low dvls 00:49 <@carlarc> i guess that's why it's named un 00:50 <@carlarc> luckily i have the ultimate cheese strat ready 00:50 <@carlarc> magicbane + ring of levitation 00:50 <{Demo}1> good luck 00:50 <@carlarc> i read that un tracks your elbereths, cant wait to see how many i'll end up writing 00:51 <@carlarc> this would be a lot easier if 39% force bolt failure rate didn't mean 77% plus missing 00:51 Roa7R 00:51 <@carlarc> do disenchanter corpses randomly remove intrinsics or is it with the same order as a gremlin? 00:54 In vanilla it's identical to the gremlin effect 01:01 <@carlarc> well that didn't work 01:01 <@carlarc> i just lost see invis 01:01 <@carlarc> its random 01:02 <@carlarc> gremlin page says its from a lsit 01:02 <@carlarc> list 01:04 <@carlarc> apparently i also lost telepathy 01:04 <@carlarc> bluhh 01:07 <@luxidream> but...FREE ARMOR! 01:07 <@luxidream> -bhaak 01:08 <@luxidream> ""free"" 01:08 <@carlarc> it's all rotten and the only interesting thing was thorougly rotten helm of brilliance, that i can't use because im an elf 01:08 <@luxidream> yeah that's just a room you shut the door on and never go in 01:08 <@luxidream> like swamps in vanilla 01:09 <@carlarc> if it has a door 01:10 <@luxidream> heaven forbid the downstairs is inside one 01:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1269 points, T:2272, killed by a shattered potion 01:49 <@Andrio Celos> Dig a hole and teleport or cursed potion of gain level back up? 01:50 <@Andrio Celos> @carlarc, it picks a random power from the list, then goes down the list from there until it finds one you actually have, without wrapping around. 01:50 <@Andrio Celos> Often you'll have many of them, so it'll be almost uniform 01:52 <@carlarc> well i had poison, cold, fire, see invis, and agg monster but i lost invis 01:52 <@carlarc> and telepathy, too 01:53 <@Andrio Celos> Bad lucj 02:11 the "Websites" page on the wiki is a bit ridiculous 02:11 there's a link to the official page and then pretty much everything else is offline 02:12 I'm not sure what the point of this page even is 02:12 link to inferior spoiler pages? 02:19 attie: Feel free to update the page. 02:19 yeah I would, but I'm not sure what to put on there 02:20 I'm unclear on the purpose of the page really. 02:20 Should it keep a list of previously-existing websites or should I throw out anything that doesn't exist any more? 02:20 I would think that the purpose is to link to interesting NetHack related web pages. 02:21 mm, yea but what kind? 02:21 like, the pages I find interesting are mostly on other pages 02:22 the websites associated with servers are on the public servers page. 02:22 the spoilers for 343 are outdated *and* superseded by the wiki you're currently reading. 02:23 the rest is... mostly offline 02:24 there's the link to the official page, the link to reddit, and the link to gridbug that I would consider really relevant 02:26 are there really no better tiles ports than falcon's eye for 3.3.1? 02:29 I mean, I have my own prejudices, but I'm not comfortable deleting everything just because I think it's useless. Would like other's opinions on what they consider useful nethack-related websites. 02:35 I would start with removing the links that are clearly defunct. 02:35 yeah, doing that right now 02:35 also adding https where available 02:36 Oh my, and also remove the old link to NHS. 02:41 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:04 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 03:17 Lol: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/What_Fools_These_Mortals 03:17 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 03:23 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 03:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:29 oh yeah, the best variant :D 03:30 is anyone in the #nethack channel on IRCNet? I can't even connect... 03:32 IRCnet is a mess. 03:32 Finding a server that will connect you is a chore. 03:34 well, I've done a first pass on that site. still think "community" should be higher than all the outdated spoilers, since one of those will be much more useful to new people 03:35 maybe I'll move everything that isn't up to date in a separate "older versions" heading 03:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:36 for a wiki page that's in the "Popular pages" in the sidebar, it is sure a mess. 03:41 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] Molz (Val Hum Fem Law), 852 points, T:1325, killed by a dwarf 04:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:19 @luxidream there is no law that a quest artifact must be useful for its role. 04:21 the quest artifacts are mostly wished for by other roles 04:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5071 04:35 You say that like it's a good thing Mr. bot 04:45 oh, that's a bug. the population routine of the dilapated armories is rigged towards disenchanters 04:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 4723 points, T:5601, killed by a dwarf 04:54 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 06:09 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:13 ironically introduced when disintegrators got removed 06:30 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:00 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 07:18 it is very convenient when the corridor to the sokoban zoo contains a few chickatrices and one of them leaves a corpse. 07:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:25 EPI: a psychic-blast-range monster spell that causes you to take off a random piece of your armor. 07:26 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:31 that's evil indeed. 07:32 I was already worried enough about the three nymphs in the zoo, tyvm. 07:32 luckily they all stayed asleep as i tiptoed by in my elven boots, thwapping them over the head with a rubber chicken. 07:52 Solution: curse your gloves. 07:52 And probably everything else. 08:46 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 09:15 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 2367 points, T:3191, killed by a baby shimmering dragon 09:17 nymphs do steal cursed gloves, it's monkeys that don't 09:18 that's what nymphs are FOR imo, to get rid of cursed armor/weapons 09:18 and loadstones 09:22 morning morning 09:23 afternoon afternoon! 09:23 \o/ 09:24 let it snow, let it snow, let it SNOW 09:24 i should take a pic right now and share what i see out my window right now 09:24 you're going to miss the lunar eclipse then (which I'm trying to get up at 4:30 for tomorrow) 09:24 right now x2... 09:24 hah 09:25 dammit there's a lunar eclipse tonight? 09:25 perhaps only in europe 09:25 I mean only visible in europe 09:25 yeah no way we're witnessing that either way 09:25 this storm wont be gone anytime soon 09:28 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:29 we might get some snow on Tuesday 09:29 (but never get more than a couple of centimeters anyway, not what *you* call snow) 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 404 points, T:752, killed by a dwarf 09:30 Nymphs are for stealing things from monsters. They just suck at it (foocubi are usually better). 09:30 snowfall from this storm plus what we already have on the ground from before... probably looking at 1.5m after its done 09:30 oh, and getting teleportitis. 09:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 593 points, T:992, killed by a hobbit 09:43 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:45 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:1466 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 629 points, T:1474, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rothe 09:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 2971 points, T:2796, killed by a monkey, while helpless 10:13 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 1486 points, T:1934, killed by a kitten 10:19 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 188 points, T:584, killed by a hobbit 10:22 <@luxidream> bhaak: yeah, I did point out it was useful for artiwishing after that 10:22 <@luxidream> good for chaotic priest, monk, etc 10:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 90 points, T:487, killed by a falling rock 10:31 <@luxidream> in any case the heart is still better than the longbow of Diana 10:31 <@luxidream> or the tsurugi 10:31 <@luxidream> not sure why it gets memed on the most 10:32 <{Demo}1> i agree both of those suck 10:32 <{Demo}1> ok so what dnh does with the longbow of diana is interesting 10:33 <{Demo}1> adds multishot bonus and makes arrows have no range 10:34 <@luxidream> no range? 10:34 <@luxidream> Or infinite range 10:34 <{Demo}1> no range limit 10:35 <{Demo}1> wow, i dont think dnh even changes the tsruigi 10:36 <{Demo}1> oh it shatters weapons ,ok, thats dumb 10:36 <@luxidream> it already shatters weapons in vanilla 10:36 <@luxidream> that’s dumb 10:36 <{Demo}1> no but it shatters way more often 10:36 <{Demo}1> maybe always 10:37 <{Demo}1> the barb QA grants Half-spell damage, magic resistance, reflection and drain resistance when carried 10:37 <{Demo}1> which is nuts 10:38 <@luxidream> so basically everything 10:39 <@luxidream> Can you shatter the artifacts that the demon lords carry with the tsurugi? 10:40 <{Demo}1> no artifacts should be immune i think 10:40 <{Demo}1> will test 10:40 <@luxidream> well that makes it completely useless 10:41 <{Demo}1> why? 10:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 1320 points, T:1365, killed by an elf zombie, while helpless 10:42 <@luxidream> Aren’t some of them particularly threatening when used against you 10:42 <@luxidream> Like iconoclast 10:43 <{Demo}1> iconoclast is for daemon and hes not even an ampersand 10:43 <{Demo}1> but mostly no, they are a lot less dangerous than the enemies themselves 10:43 <{Demo}1> iconoclast is probably the only exception 10:44 <@luxidream> but if it can’t break artifacts it doesn’t even have an edge case where it would be useful 10:44 <@luxidream> so it’s just bad 10:46 <@luxidream> I suppose it would be silly if Ashikaga just chopped your excal in half 10:47 <{Demo}1> no it is useful 10:48 <{Demo}1> when you shatter an enemy's weapon they flee for a few turns 10:48 <{Demo}1> which lets you get some hits in on them 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] RedArrow (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 796 points, T:2186, killed by Mr. Akalapi; the shopkeeper 11:16 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Val Asg Mal Neu), 61067 points, T:12024, petrified by a wand of stoning 11:34 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Wiz Inc Mal Neu), 102 points, T:433, killed by a monster (flesh golem) 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 78 points, T:1256, killed by a small mimic 11:41 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 11:44 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 daggers on an altar, on T:3437 11:55 if it disarmed rather than shattered 11:55 FIQ: Message from @carlarc at 2019-01-18 21:22 EST: minor bug: i killed a bones player monster and dug down on his grave, and a ghoul showed up 11:55 then it doesn't need to destroy artis 11:55 and remain useful 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 40 points, T:185, killed by a black pudding 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1090 points, T:2339, killed by a goblin called Bitchorcaiuz of Screworctownis 12:21 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 12:28 <{Demo}1> wait this is cannon 12:28 <{Demo}1> or wait he named it himself ah 12:32 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Ana Asg Mal Neu), 10374 points, T:5050, killed by a monster (loading snake) 12:33 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:52 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:53 -!- hf_guest_9 has joined #hardfought 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2694 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1465 points, T:2800, killed by a winter wolf 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3564 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law), 360 points, T:997, killed by a homunculus 13:02 -!- hf_guest_9 has left #hardfought 13:04 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a topaz ring on an altar, on T:3135 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1861 points, T:4342, died of starvation, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3302 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1566 points, T:3898, killed by a wand 13:07 <@luxidream> !lastgame 13:07 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1548007176.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Jambone/nh361/dumplog/1548006877.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nh361/dumplog/1547955697.nh361.txt 13:08 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 13:09 -!- Gaelan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 498 points, T:1236, killed by a bolt of lightning 13:13 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Twe Dro Mal Neu), 5577 points, T:2842, killed by a monster (burner turret) 13:15 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 2356 points, T:2217, killed by a baby gray dragon 13:15 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:6938 13:24 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 13:29 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Hea Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed the eye of the aethiopica", on T:7732 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] shuhari (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (rust monster), on T:347 13:40 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:40 !apt ds 13:41 Whoops, channel 13:41 traitor 13:44 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 13:50 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 13:54 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2754 points, T:3799, killed by a giant mimic 13:57 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Sam Asg Mal Neu), 2786 points, T:1701, killed by a monster (water elemental of Raijin) 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:53364 14:03 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:04 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:53384 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:53439 14:22 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:24 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Zyb Asg Mal Neu), 4824 points, T:3679, killed by a solar beam 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:53747 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:53749 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:53761 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] shuhari (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4655 points, T:3531, killed by a jaguar 14:32 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 14:32 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Elp Elf Mal Neu), 94 points, T:361, killed by a shotgun shell 14:35 Pinkbeast: They are all bad ;) 14:43 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:55082 14:53 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:36854 14:54 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:36917 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:70780 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:55313 15:02 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:55613 15:09 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:55648 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:55666 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2946 points, T:4315, killed by a yeti 15:16 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Mon Asg Mal Neu), 2002 points, T:2140, killed by a wand of striking 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1346016 points, T:55697, killed by Famine (with the Amulet) 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 405 points, T:682, killed by a giant bat 15:31 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:37 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 138 points, T:449, killed by a rabbit 15:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 60 points, T:327, killed by a sewer rat 15:42 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:43627 15:46 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 15:46 is there any reason to keep spellbooks on me instead of stashing? 15:48 Gaelan: If you use the spell and it's about to run out 15:49 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 656 points, T:2223, killed by a pony 15:49 so much for that. 15:51 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Mon Asg Mal Neu), 7904 points, T:2863, killed by a monster (giant eel) 16:11 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3045 points, T:2289, killed by a white unicorn 16:16 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:25 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Cav Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker named Sharpie", on T:46193 16:27 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:27 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 16:35 <@carlarc> you need to fireproof those markers 16:35 <@carlarc> you know, just in case 16:36 aren't you supposed to wish for "uncursed" explicitly? 16:36 otherwise the beatitude is rolled 16:36 maybe bouquet doesn't care 16:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:59 <@carlarc> i always get blessed markers, never needed to make cursed scrolls 17:02 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47031 17:02 carlarc> There are uses for cursed scrolls and since it's easy to bless blanks, have an uncursed marker. 17:17 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:17 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Val Asg Fem Law) killed Moldoux, the Defenceless Mold, on T:4577 17:17 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Val Asg Fem Law) averted death, on T:4578 17:19 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Val Asg Fem Law), 21293 points, T:4580, killed by a monster (great wyrm of power), while sleeping 17:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:25 -!- nhmall has joined #hardfought 17:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v nhmall] by ChanServ 17:37 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:37 <@carlarc> what are some good monsters to blessed genocide in unnethack 17:37 <@carlarc> other than vorpal 17:38 <{Demo}1> Un nazguls are annoying 17:38 <{Demo}1> I would say R 17:39 <{Demo}1> but disintegrator is gone 17:41 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided Nazgul dungeon wide on T:42914 17:46 {Demo}1: Un doesn't have class genocide anyway. 17:47 <{Demo}1> Un cool 17:47 <{Demo}1> that's not a senseless nerf 17:47 <{Demo}1> uncursed is local level, blessed is perma, right 17:47 <@luxidream> arch lich, master lich 17:48 <@luxidream> if you have terrible int and no restore ability consider mind flayers 17:48 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Jed Asg Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:1725 17:49 <@carlarc> think so demo 17:51 <@luxidream> backscroll: also fireproof your markers in grunthack 17:51 <@luxidream> they actually burn there 17:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:52 <@luxidream> fireproof anything that can burn in main inventory 17:53 <{Demo}1> grunt is so much fun 17:55 [hdf-us] [slex] sflicht (Jed Asg Mal Neu), 2097 points, T:2721, quit 17:55 <@luxidream> grunt hell is really fun 17:56 <@luxidream> even if you map the entire level good luck actually seeing where the walls are 17:56 <{Demo}1> grunt hell is fun cause you get to use your fun toy weapons 17:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:56 <@carlarc> doesnt grunt have monsters use the castle wand of wishing 17:57 <{Demo}1> i think that can potentially happen yeah but i think its not very common? 17:57 <@luxidream> just phase in and then get out 17:57 <{Demo}1> what happens if you dip a magical long sword as excal? 17:57 <{Demo}1> in grunt 17:57 <@luxidream> try it in dyna 17:57 <@luxidream> I don't think it works 17:57 <{Demo}1> grunt isnt dyna 17:57 <@Xaleth> interesting 17:58 <@luxidream> object properties are like the same though 17:58 <@luxidream> except vorpal doesn't generate in dyna 17:58 <@luxidream> maybe I should wish for a vorpal offhand that would be sick 17:59 <@carlarc> if vorpals are generated in grunt doesn't that mean you can randomly instadie to a random dlvl 10 soldier 17:59 <@luxidream> yes 17:59 <@carlarc> nice 17:59 <@luxidream> grunt is good variant 17:59 <@luxidream> wear life saving 17:59 @carlarc Optimal strategy in 17:59 erm 18:00 <{Demo}1> why would u assume edge cases r handled the same though 18:00 Optimal strategy in Grunt upon reaching the castle is: 1) Quaff object detection, showing the chest 2) Quaff monster detection, showing its guards 3) Farlook guards to see if they're human or elven and if so you probably aren't getting any wishes today 18:02 <@luxidream> you're right, dyna would probably just crash lol 18:02 aosdict, I've ascended grunthack several times and I haven't had problems with monsters using the wand 18:02 it's probably because the soldiers don't tend to have keys 18:03 jilles: I thought the Grunt chest spawned unlocked. 18:03 monsters do tend to plunder stash chests if you let them 18:03 imho that's boring 18:03 the chest isn't specified as locked or not 18:03 so it's usually locked, but not always 18:04 if the chest is unlocked and in the back corners and it has a human or elven guard... game over for wishing. 18:04 @luxidream grunt hell is more bearable if you toggle dark_room off and on again after every reload 18:04 (in the front corners, same deal usually unless you can polyself to xorn and get there pronto) 18:05 <@luxidream> what no one told me this trick 18:05 me neither 18:05 <@luxidream> "have you tried turning it off and on again" 18:11 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:44760 18:13 <@carlarc> jesus i've been stuck since lvl 10 on skilled for dagger 18:13 <@carlarc> i'm at 14 now 18:17 <@luxidream> un training 18:17 <@luxidream> that's 400 hits 18:19 <@carlarc> i've already finished training 18:19 <@luxidream> oh you just forgot lol 18:19 <@carlarc> need more skill slots apparently 18:19 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/536686262124281876/unknown.png 18:19 <@carlarc> i regret ever putting that one point in quarterstaff 18:20 <{Demo}1> hmm 18:20 <{Demo}1> some variants make magicbane a quarterstaff 18:20 <{Demo}1> if it were up to you, which would you rather it be? 18:21 <@carlarc> athames are obviously superior in every way 18:21 <@luxidream> you don't need both hands to hold an athame 18:21 <{Demo}1> what the fuck r u using ur other hand for? 18:21 <@carlarc> spellcasting 18:21 <{Demo}1> what if u couldnt hard engrave with the athame? 18:21 <@carlarc> still athame 18:21 <@luxidream> it could be a dagger for all I care 18:21 <{Demo}1> i am considering adding an invoke in ndnh 18:22 <@luxidream> but I play my muscle wizards wearing mithril and a shield 18:22 <@carlarc> if my magicbane quarterstaff gets cursed i'm screwed 18:22 <{Demo}1> that allows you to change the base item for magicbane from quartestaff to athame on demand 18:22 <@luxidream> nah it resists like 95% of curses though 18:22 <{Demo}1> but im not sure if it would be used at all, or more than once 18:22 <@luxidream> it's never getting cursed 18:22 <@carlarc> oh right 18:22 <@luxidream> does qstaff form boost spellcasting? 18:22 <@carlarc> maybe if it increased spellcasting yeah 18:23 <@luxidream> that's a legitimate reason to use it 18:23 <@luxidream> FIQ made staffs boost spellcasting 18:23 <@carlarc> it's cool 18:23 <{Demo}1> oh hmm 18:23 <{Demo}1> in dnh khakkras boost spell boosting 18:24 <{Demo}1> if i made it so you could make it one then everyone would probably use it in that form? 18:24 <{Demo}1> cause what the hell are wizards doing with their other hand? 18:24 -!- nhmall has left #hardfought 18:24 <{Demo}1> not wielding a weapon or wearing a shield 18:24 <@carlarc> small shield 18:24 <{Demo}1> honestly athames make way more sense for binders than for wizards 18:24 <@carlarc> yeah thats true 18:27 <{Demo}1> i think i dont like pagans 18:27 <@luxidream> tiny silver dragon scale shield 18:27 <{Demo}1> let me see how much that hurts spellcasting 18:29 <{Demo}1> very minimal 18:29 <{Demo}1> so if you could use a dsm shield, why would you possibly want to use a two handed weapon 18:33 dd 18:33 nvm 18:36 <{Demo}1> two hands on my staff imma beat you and then laugh 18:45 <@carlarc> dd 18:49 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Durin's Bane, on T:46875 18:55 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] captmayhem69 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 113 points, T:1053, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1275 points, T:2365, killed by a snake 19:39 <@luxidream> YANI: your character learns how to use their eyes to determine if a chest is locked or not without you having to try and loot it first 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:52267 19:41 @luxidream: That would not in general be possible IRL. I mean, I know NHINRL, but still. 19:42 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 20:14 Huh, found my own bones. 20:15 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 glowing dragon scales", on T:50163 20:15 <@carlarc> more common than you think 20:16 <@carlarc> also only got acid, sad 20:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Law), 3227 points, T:2205, killed by a hill orc called Gorogoth of Akhaigrisai 20:21 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Arc Hum Mal Law), 281 points, T:498, killed by a werejackal 20:31 FIQHack doesn't prevent spellcasting if you wield a cursed quarterstaff 20:31 despite being 2-handed 20:31 it also boosts spellcasting failure rate 20:32 magicbane is a quarterstaff in FIQHack 20:32 <@carlarc> that's great 20:33 <@strangefella> tfw just died in slash em because i forgot you automatically pick up stuff you throw 20:33 <@carlarc> fiq i don't wanna be annoying but did you get any progress on that crashing bug i sent you? 20:33 <@strangefella> so i touched this chickatrice corpse 20:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1149 points, T:1796, quit 20:33 <@carlarc> nice 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 225 points, T:443, killed by a bat 20:38 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:51438 20:41 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 630 points, T:1388, killed by a rothe 20:44 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1524 points, T:2081, quit 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2059 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "nx", on T:3154 20:56 <{Demo}1> Rx 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a clear potion on an altar, on T:4758 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 20787 points, T:6030, killed by a rock troll, while praying 21:03 <@Gaelan> this is fine 21:03 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/536727539239092254/Screen_Shot_2019-01-20_at_5.48.14_PM.png 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Gaelan (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 3911 points, T:4443, killed by an elf mummy 21:05 <{Demo}1> BAD FRUIT 21:05 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 t-shirt", on T:51811 21:05 <@Tmasher> Bad fruit #17 Program in disorder! 21:06 Also, is there any tool for uploading an image and getting a URL without too much effort? Imgur used to be great, but it's a pain now. I ended up just firing up discord lol 21:06 <{Demo}1> my friend has a script that pipes output from scrot into catbox.moe and then xclip's the url it returns to his clipboard and he uses that 21:30 <@carlarc> what a coincidence 21:30 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/536734328231821312/unknown.png 21:31 <{Demo}1> snap, crackle, and pop 21:35 -!- Wolfechu has joined #hardfought 21:35 <{Demo}1> so how about that lunar eclipse? 21:35 Gaelan, Imgur still seems good. 21:36 AFIAK it's a pain to get a plain link to an image (not an HTML page), which I need for IRC 21:36 Get a link to the image and append '.png' 21:36 fair 21:36 also note: image, not post 21:37 you have to mouse over the image and click Copy. 21:38 Yeah... it's not that complex, but still kinda annoying. You feel like you're fighting it. 21:39 Fair enough. 22:09 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 1159 points, T:463, escaped 22:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 289 points, T:689, killed by a jackal 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) genocided disenchanter, on T:52988 22:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 672 points, T:1056, killed by a water moccasin 22:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 145 points, T:485, killed by a rabbit 22:33 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) genocided class n, on T:54614 22:36 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Cav Hum Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 30 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:54723 22:46 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Two-footed Kars the black marketeer on T:56698 22:50 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:57090 22:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2946 22:59 -!- sqlmapp1n has joined #hardfought 23:01 -!- Gaelan has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:03 y0\ 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:5624 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:5939 23:06 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Crazy-eyed Chicoutimi the black marketeer on T:57944 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:6448 23:07 <@carlarc> does the scroll of scare monster scare @ in unnethack? 23:07 <@luxidream> no 23:07 <@luxidream> good luck 23:08 <@luxidream> how did you get the black marketeers out of the black market 23:08 [hdf-us] [un] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Iron-bellied Droichead Atha the black marketeer on T:58015 23:08 <@luxidream> @carlarc 23:08 <{Demo}1> what e ven 23:08 <@carlarc> branchporting 23:09 <@luxidream> oh 23:09 <@luxidream> didn't realize they followed lol 23:09 <@luxidream> I guess that's an easy way to kill them 23:09 <@carlarc> yeah almost killed me once 23:09 [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 2319 points, T:2761, killed by a pony, while helpless 23:09 <@luxidream> just be careful with sam 23:09 <@luxidream> you don't really want to be in melee with her 23:10 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:10 <{Demo}1> fuck sam 23:10 <@carlarc> i'm trying to drain life her to death behind bars but apparently one of them got broken 23:10 <@carlarc> any other ideas? 23:10 <@luxidream> bullwhip thiefbane 23:10 <@carlarc> that sounds incredibly risky too 23:10 <@luxidream> if you have life saving and are in a polyform it should be alright 23:11 <@carlarc> in un thiefbane still decaps you if not @ 23:11 <@carlarc> what are some good headless monsters to poly into? 23:12 <@luxidream> yeah I know that, the polyform serves as pseudo-lifesaving 23:12 <@carlarc> ah 23:12 <@luxidream> if you are beheaded in polyform you just revert 23:12 <@carlarc> didn't know that 23:12 <@carlarc> master mind flayer? 23:12 <{Demo}1> go for something fast maybe 23:13 <@luxidream> can air elementals even use bullwhips 23:13 <@luxidream> sam is stupid fast 23:14 <@luxidream> nope, they can't. "You can't hold it strongly enough" 23:15 <@luxidream> I think mmf works, if your AC is good enough, she might even miss 23:15 <@luxidream> you want to wear life saving though 23:15 <@carlarc> annoyingly i've found every amulet but saing 23:15 <@luxidream> polypile 23:16 <@luxidream> you're a wizard right 23:16 <@carlarc> yeah 23:16 <@carlarc> no poly wands 23:16 <@carlarc> or markers 23:16 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 23:16 <@luxidream> oh, I thought you would have stolen one from the black market 23:16 <@luxidream> unless there are none there too 23:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 23:17 <@carlarc> i should have done that before aggroing her 23:17 patriots/chiefs game was *awesome* 23:17 goin to bed :P 23:17 <@carlarc> does the expensive camera scare sam? 23:18 <@carlarc> no 23:19 <@luxidream> so you could just go to vlad's and see if there's one 23:19 <@luxidream> it's not guaranteed in un 23:19 "You hear a gnome lord reading a scroll labeled ABRA KA DABRA. Call a scroll labeled ABRA KA DABRA:" 23:19 Did I actually learn anything? 23:20 <@luxidream> yes, he read it. that makes it one of two scrolls 23:20