00:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9030 points, T:8291, killed by an energy vortex 00:18 !tell aosdict when a monster digs down to escape, but you are blind and deaf (from magic trap), you get asked "Really step into that hole?", when you don't know the hole is there. 00:18 aosdict shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Tangles. 00:24 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) averted death, on T:52118 00:25 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) averted death, on T:52132 00:26 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:52138 00:26 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) averted death, on T:52138 00:27 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of repair armor", on T:52151 00:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:34 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) averted death, on T:52347 00:37 damn k2... 00:39 got any amulets of lifesaving left now? 00:40 1 00:41 this game is ridiculously rough 00:41 i dont think i'll survive astral 00:43 <[Demo]6> rip a line of fairy dust and go turbo wizard 00:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 00:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 00:48 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) averted death, on T:52719 00:51 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 1950204 points, T:52754, killed by a captain 00:51 thank god 00:51 thats probably the stupidest game i've ever played 00:54 <[Demo]6> :( 00:54 jonadab: why don't you like polearms :(( 00:55 to sum it up, anything that could have gone wrong, did once i was ready to do the invocation 01:22 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 01:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 01:36 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:39 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 01:41 !who 01:41 K2: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] Nobbs [nh343] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Tangles [xnh] 01:42 <[Demo]6> no sleeping 01:43 i need to go to bed 01:45 <[Demo]6> same a lot 01:45 LarienTelrunya: I am unable to rightly apprehend the confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. 01:46 jonadab: well, I like the lucern hammer, why do you remove it :( 01:46 Ah. 01:46 I removed the lucern hammer because it was redundant. 01:46 This doesn't mean I dislike polearms. 01:47 If I disliked polearms, I would have removed all of them. 01:47 nethack needs more polearm types, not less :D 01:47 <[Demo]6> add 300 new pole arms 01:47 NetHack needs more polearm types like it needs a whole in the head. 01:48 <[Demo]6> all with one of the same 12 stats 01:48 I mean, if they could each be genuinely distinctive, that would be one thing. But they aren't. 01:48 <[Demo]6> but different groovy names about shoes 01:48 The only really genuinely distinctive ones are mattock and lance. 01:48 The others are basically identical. 01:48 how about doing what I did, adding polearms that can hit things at a 3-square distance? ;) 01:49 maybe even ones that can only hit at a distance of 3 squares, while 2-square-distant monsters give "Too close!" 01:50 How about if I rebase on FIQHack, thereby automatically collecting the improved polearms interface? 01:50 Making them easier to use? 01:50 So that someone might ever potentially actually use one? 01:50 ugh... I wish you wouldn't rebase on FIQhack at all 01:50 Of course you do. You hate improvements. 01:51 "improvements", I've played FIQhack and just personally didn't like it, whereas fourk was playable enough for me that I managed to ascend it twice 01:52 maybe I'm just too stupid to handle the symmetry or something, but in any case I always died to something ridiculous in FIQhack 01:52 <[Demo]6> fh is apologetic 01:52 <[Demo]6> which makes it a lot more bearable than a lot of variants 01:53 <[Demo]6> people will bitch about shit and for the most part fh will "give in" although some decisions it remains stalwart on 01:54 the wand destruction patch is enough of a deal breaker already :P why is everything about that patch set in stone anyway? 01:54 *that* is where genuine improvements could be made! 01:54 Hmm, I should actually expand on it, to a generalized Item Desctruction Patch, that isn't specific to wands. 01:56 <[Demo]6> the wand destruction patch (which is a name for it I quite enjoy) is about the only thing fh holds firmly on, but even then, it has been adjusted to make your own not hurt you as much 01:57 eh, as long as too high skill causes you to hit yourself with no way to turn that off I'll always have a gripe with that patch 01:57 there shouldn't be such a thing as "you have too high skill", that's a fundamental design flaw IMHO :P 01:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:16 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:18 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:55 -*+ 04:03 -!- ShivanHunter_ has joined #hardfought 04:06 -!- ShivanHunter has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:06 -!- ShivanHunter_ is now known as ShivanHunter 04:22 [hdf-us] [un] jailbird (Con Vam Fem Cha), 7251 points, T:5668, killed by an ape, while fainted from lack of food 04:30 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:44 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9444 points, T:4244, killed by a giant spider 04:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:51 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 05:11 gosh darn this mysterious force 05:14 -!- aoei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:15 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 05:30 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:34 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4315 points, T:1460, killed by a fire ant 05:36 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 05:47 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:47 -!- aeoi has quit [Client Quit] 05:48 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:13 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 06:18 -!- dewz has joined #hardfought 06:26 -!- Wolfechu has joined #hardfought 06:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 2116 points, T:2389, killed by a giant spider 06:38 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2924 06:42 take that wizard of yendor 06:48 I accidentally read cursed destroy armor instead of cursed gold detection and destroyed my speed boots D: 06:51 cursed destroy armor should fooproof your speed boots 06:51 er, no, only when confused 06:51 and if you're confused anyway you can read uncursed gold detection 06:52 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:4577 06:54 wow, funny T-shirt "100% goblin hair - do not wash" 06:55 um jonadab 06:55 FIQ: Message from FIQ at 2019-01-01 13:42 EST: 68d85e594 06:55 have you seen the commit log 06:55 I've started messing with fh again 06:55 thanks Beholder 06:57 [Demo]6: I give in if a lot of people complain and I don't have a strong opinion on said change myself (usually due to not enough testing) 06:58 LarienTelrunya: You know you can hit yourself with wands in vanilla too, right? 06:58 Not sure if I understand the problem 06:59 You complained about item destruction I remember, you know it has been made easier to prevent since, right? 06:59 being BUC-dependant and completely preventable with extrinsics 06:59 -!- Antichthon has joined #hardfought 07:00 FIQ: the problem is that some wands, which are no threat to yourself once you reflect, suddenly become dangerous again if you up your skill because they become explosions, with no way to turn it off. 07:01 Hmm 07:01 Because you can't un-assign your skill points. 07:01 Does other people think this is a problem? 07:01 ask hothraxxa :) 07:01 or possibly Luxidream 07:01 It would be easy to make them not explode if they hit the one who zapped 07:02 IIRC they got hit by wand of death explosions for zapping adjacent riders or rodneys. 07:02 @luxidream hothraxxa ^ 07:02 LarienTelrunya: That's different... 07:03 how? in vanilla you could do that with no danger to yourself once you reflect 07:03 I have no problems with disrupted reflection being dangerous for things next to it 07:03 player or not 07:04 what on earth is "disrupted reflection"? 07:04 Reflection causes explosions at skilled or above 07:05 still not sure I understand... do you mean that if the target has reflection, it will cause the explosion? 07:05 and if your skill is low it just reflects normally with no threat to yourself? 07:05 yes 07:06 assuming it doesn't miss the target 07:06 juhuuu 07:06 well my point still stands, it shouldn't be so that higher skill gives you a slap in the face :P 07:06 hi aoei, welcome to demigod bar 07:07 vegan weaponless plus a few minor conducts to make it 7 in total i think 07:07 but I guess I should wait if hothraxxa and @Luxidream also have something to say 07:07 thanks fiq 07:07 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:07 LarienTelrunya: you tend to complain about any and every change made in a variant 07:08 sorry if that makes me not take your complaints too seriously 07:08 ah well 07:09 congrats aoei! 07:09 also, you realize 4k also has the wand destruction patch, right? 07:10 so I don't get why fh is less playable because of it 07:10 yes, and in fourk it's just as bad :P I'm surprised I somehow managed to ascend fourk several times 07:10 if anything it's worse in 4k since item destruction wasn't nerfed 07:10 and even affect rings 07:11 well the wand destruction patch usually doesn't outright kill me, it's just one annoying aspect IMHO; my fiqhack deaths come from symmetry stuff, i.e. monsters being able to read certain scrolls 07:11 every death you have had as a result of scroll reading has been bugs 07:11 and fixed 07:11 so those complaints are kinda obsolete 07:12 hmm my last junethack one was a shopkeeper being angered by a monster's wand exploding, is that also fixed? 07:12 yes 07:14 didn't even realize you were affected 07:14 p sure I fixed it due to someone else's complaint about wand of fire's fountain destruction angering the watch 07:15 whe used by a monster 07:15 will the watch now correctly get angry at whichever monster dried up the fountain? :P 07:15 yes 07:15 ooh I'd like to see the watch beat up the GwaWoF 07:16 monster anger was implemented since 07:16 is the watch then generically angry or only at that monster? 07:16 only at that monster 07:16 good! 07:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:22 can I see the effective difference in download size when using scp -C somehow? 07:26 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:36 fiq: in my last two ascensions in fourk, i have lost levels on the astral plane because i used a wand of death on a rider and my wand skill level was expert. there is no way i can see that as acceptable 07:37 the first time i was expert in wands and the wand was blessed. i zapped a rider and lost three levels 07:37 the second time i was skilled (i think) and the wand was unblessed. i lost only one level. still not acceptable 07:38 it is fucking ridiculous to train a skill to expert only to have it fuck you over 07:40 ^^ exactly what I said. 07:41 increasing your skill should never make stuff actively worse for you (in vanilla, fireball and cone of cold violate that principle because they become completely unusable on the plane of water or while blind) 07:44 wands i don't use much like cold and fire are almost as dangerous. whatever you do, don't use a blessed one on anything nearby 07:45 oh anf cuking lightning 07:45 and fucking 07:45 heh, I call that one the wand of meme :P "lol the lieutenant zaps a wand of i will fuck you up you stupid player lol your ring of levitation turns to dust hahaha and your wand of death explodes too lol :P" 07:46 although, fourk did in fact make it so that wands only lose some charges if you get hit with lightning I think? 07:46 at least I seem to recall that in my last fourk ascension the wand of meme didn't outright destroy my wands 07:46 so on the planes, i need to be expert for my wands of teleportation to work. skilled and blessed is ok, but the same problem occurs 07:46 yes fourk did that for lightning 07:47 you can't have potions in open inventory and use fire or cold if you're skilled or expert 07:47 well you can't have potions or scrolls in open inventory in vanilla either, due to the proliferation of fire traps :( 07:48 that's only the plane of fire 07:48 and all of gehennom 07:48 ok we're way off track here 07:49 the wand patch is deeply flawed even with fourk's changes 07:50 what would be nice is if you're highly skilled with an attack wand, the game would give you a yes/no prompt to decide whether you want a ray or an explosion 07:53 what would be nice is if death wands at least didn't take your levels if you're drain resistant, but noooooo 07:53 pretty sure i was wielding stormy when i lost three levels 07:53 wow they ignore the resistance? what the hell? 07:53 why even have the resistance in the game if it doesn't work anyway :P 07:54 * LarienTelrunya mumbles something about disintegration beams 07:55 [backscroll] I wonder why everyone is adopting LarienTelrunya's "wand destruction patch" terminology. 07:55 aosdict: Messages from Tangles and @luxidream have been forwarded to you privately. 07:56 my mistake. i was wielding stormy in the second ascension, so i lost only one level 07:56 not three 07:59 hothraxxa i lost my sporkhack game 08:00 damn 08:00 it got extremely stupid right as i was about to perform in the invocation and stayed that way for the remainder 08:00 i have little hope for my orc wizard even though i just found an extra magic lamp, already blessed 08:00 didnt make it to the planes 08:01 scared to convert an altar 08:01 sorry to hear 08:01 most of my armor was destroyed by the WoY 08:01 that really sucks 08:01 yeah it is what it is 08:02 so the way its set in sporkhack, wizard wears armor, 20% failure penalty at lvl 1 and goes up 10% per level 08:02 i find sporkhack is not really enjoyable. too much grinding, and yeah a wizard is almost impossible 08:02 and then on top of that, he changed the way the EothA behaves - you dont get power regen unless you're wearing it 08:02 and that's nerfed also 08:03 damn, i didn't know that 08:03 wait, wizards get *worse* at spellcasting as they level up with armor on? 08:03 no he means skill level 08:03 so to have reflection AND power regen from the eye, i went ahead and tried wearing SDSM 08:03 couldnt cast reliably for shit 08:03 Having to wear the EotA seems to make sense, and I'm not sure my experience of Spork involved more grinding given how it punishes you for wasting time. 08:03 basically turned me into a 'tank' with a dagger 08:04 Pinkbeast thats another thing that I screwed myself on 08:04 pinkbeast: the searching required in spork is excruciating and the monster generation seems to be stepped up 08:04 i was already in 50k turn territory 08:05 hothraxxa: I don't remember searching being different and it's taking time that steps up monster generation, isn't it? 08:05 hothraxxa yeah i can show you the code where that happens 08:05 Wearing the EotA is because the base item type changes, right? 08:05 yes 08:05 aosdict yes 08:05 new item in spork called amulet of power and thats the EotA base item 08:05 searching isn't different, the level generation is different and means you wind up searching a *lot* more 08:06 and power regen was nerfed across the board. not so bad for wizards but for the rest, significantly 08:06 also harder to get magicbane 08:06 but long story short, once you hit 30-35k turns, monster generation difficulty starts to go up 08:07 honestly not that big a deal imo, but my problem was that I couldnt take down the WoY quickly 08:07 only had one wand of death, every shot but one missed, and i was nerfed spellcasting for above given reasons 08:07 so... splat waiting to happen 08:08 but the combo of wizard armor nerf and the way the EotA behaves in spork, makes wizard a very difficult role to ascend 08:09 so kudos to whoever has ascended one 08:11 hm. i think i'll convert this altar and die to yet another minion of ptah 08:12 this new info re the eota is just the straw that broke yadda yadda 08:12 hothraxxa: yeah saccing for artifacts is changed too. it took me about 15k turns to get magicbane, that already put me half way in to when the game starts spwning harder creatures 08:12 which i actually approve of (deters altar camping) 08:13 hothraxxa: yeah its rough 08:13 what deters altar camping for me is no altar 08:13 i will still aim for ascending a spork wiz though 08:14 i don't think those minions were coincidence 08:14 well don't be an orc 08:14 my strat of wearing sdsm is a no-go 08:14 In Spork I think you just want to give up on altars for a bit once you've got some of the snacky +lots armour 08:14 Pinkbeast yeah that actually helps early game, but not for awizard ;) 08:14 i kept getting chain mail 08:14 prob because i was a dwarf wiz 08:15 K2: It's a nightmare for wizards, I agree, but I think it's generally good in that it's a step towards making weapons that aren't artifacts relevant 08:15 oh so i'll get orcish armor yay 08:15 oh wizards are restricted in way more weapon classes 08:16 Pinkbeast I agree, i like sporks sac system 08:16 but for wizards its more of a nerf vs other classes 08:16 i understand lorimer's logic, wizards in vanilla can be extremely OP 08:17 but i think he may of went too far in the other direction 08:17 i have some ideas to balance that for evilhack 08:17 spork wizards, otoh, are monks with none of the monkish advantages 08:18 speaking of which, how does spork deal with the monk resistances? 08:18 K2: Mmm. In general I think it's a pity that Spork was a first wild stab in the direction of a hard NetHack but the idea hasn't been worked on much in the last n years 08:18 honestly, imo, there should be a spellcasting failure % for every class wearing body armor, and adjust it based on type of armor and what your dexterity is 08:19 Pinkbeast: FIQ and aosdict have made attempts at addressing role balance 08:19 but easier, not harder 08:19 i'm on the harder track 08:19 wait what do you mean by role balance 08:19 I want to increase role _differentiation_ primarily. 08:19 hothraxxa: 'role balance' could be relative 08:20 what you see as balance may not be balance for someone else 08:20 itym aosdict 08:20 err aosdict 08:20 sorry 08:20 eyes still fuzzy 08:20 lorimer is right over there. let's pants him 08:21 aosdict couldnt differentiation and balance kinda fall under the same umbrella? 08:21 oh wait no pants in nethack. hmmmm 08:26 mmm pants 08:27 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 08:29 ugh, this castle layout has a trapdoor literally adjacent to the upstairs. 08:31 Also this may be the first time I've reached the castle without finding a potion of object detection. 08:32 Also no telepathy, no reflection, and no unicorn horn :/ This may be a problem for tomorrow. 08:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:49 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 28602 points, T:10988, killed by an ettin mummy 08:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:04 <@Tone> !ping 09:04 @Tone: Pong! 09:07 heh. that 'castle layout' was just a maze with a barracks, not actually the castle. 09:08 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:13 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:16 !tell K2 made a hotfix for a bug that causes "program in disorder" message spam in slex, for version 2.4.2: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/280e0942c55613fe49ee05914f74612186d6be9e (again, one line of code) - can you implement that? :) 09:16 I'm on it, LarienTelrunya. 09:17 no 09:17 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2019-01-02 09:16 EST: made a hotfix for a bug that causes "program in disorder" message spam in slex, for version 2.4.2: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/280e0942c55613fe49ee05914f74612186d6be9e (again, one line of code) - can you implement that? :) 09:17 its against my religion now 09:17 huh? I didn't know you're religious! 09:17 which god do you pray to? Anhur? :D 09:19 heh 09:20 oh wait, actually we're all religious and our supreme deity is, of course, the RNG! 09:21 isnt k2 part of the numpad sect ? 09:21 numpad for lyfe 09:22 * LarienTelrunya is team numpad too β™₯ 09:22 Numpad's not a religion, just a spooky cult 09:41 Mine is Angelina. Though in-universe she's sorta related to the RNG, so there's that. 09:45 hmm 09:45 I forgot this annoying issue 09:46 polished crystal 60fps has some screen tearing 10:00 -!- dewz has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:10 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 10:21 its definitely monday here at work 10:22 bleh 10:23 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2188 points, T:1591, killed by a giant rat 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1292 points, T:587, killed by a dwarf 10:49 typo for 99? 10:51 <[Demo]6> somewhere there needs to be a list of safe values for lvl teleports 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 793 points, T:1172, killed by a hobgoblin 10:51 1-99 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 91 points, T:111, killed by a kobold, while sleeping 10:52 <[Demo]6> oh neat 10:52 or probably 1-MAXINT but I've never tried anything above 99 10:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:58 there has to be a point where the level is so deep, you come out above the other side of the world 11:06 you wind up playing on a chinese server 11:06 everything is in mandarin 11:06 eu will swap with au 11:06 that's no problem except lag 11:06 so your fruitname is mandarin too 11:06 lol 11:07 ;) 11:08 tangerine trees took me to Beatles' Lucy in the Sky.. "picture yourself in a boat on a river" (genocided @, but polymorphed) "with tangerine trees" (minetown), "somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly" (not ready for the quest yet) 11:09 the girl with the sun in her eyes must be an Archon. 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1703 points, T:2488, killed by a rabid rat 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:240 11:16 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:20 -!- dewz has joined #hardfought 11:20 -!- dewz has quit [Client Quit] 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1278 points, T:1133, killed by a dwarf 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:5517 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law), 9417 points, T:5862, killed by a gnomish wizard, while sleeping 11:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:52 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 11:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of iron shoes on an altar, on T:3499 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:3892 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (cockatrice), on T:4128 12:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:29 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:34 bah, ptah only sent a couatl. i can handle this 12:36 Fuggit misses the couatl of Ptah. Fuggit bites the couatl of Ptah. Fuddles bites the couatl of Ptah. The couatl of Ptah is killed! 12:36 up yours, ptah 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5306 12:46 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:47 [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had a stiletto bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:13937 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 14827 points, T:5741, killed by a raven 12:47 anhur just gave me... 12:48 p - a stiletto. 12:48 *facepalm* 12:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:21 [hdf-us] [dyn] JOLTEON JOESTAR (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Mal Cha), 993192 points, T:21944, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2019-01-02%2013_21_45%2C%20JOLTEON%20JOESTAR-Val-Dwa-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 13:27 <@luxidream> hdf-us JOLTEON JOESTAR (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Mal Cha), 993192 points, T:21944, ascended 13:27 <@luxidream> the fastest member of the Joestar family πŸ˜„ 13:31 @Luxidream: how bad is the rodney crash bug on the planes? do you basically have to wand of death him or your game is toast? 13:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1789 points, T:1978, killed by a cockatoo 13:33 <[Demo]6> wait whats the bug? 13:35 apparently dynahack crashes if Rodney tries to covetous warp on the planes 13:35 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 13:36 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 13:36 <[Demo]6> ah yikes 13:37 LarienTelrunya: rld shit itself again, so still looking through backscroll 13:37 <[Demo]6> man, rld is almost as bad as [Demo]2131221412 13:37 I think purple liches can cause the bug as well, because I ran into a bug playing as vampire where arch-liches would still spawn after genocide 13:37 and it caused a crash too 13:38 but if he attempts to covetous teleport away on planes I think you are basically doomed 13:39 <[Demo]6> can we get dyna-hdf? 13:40 LarienTelrunya: about wands balance patch, I think it would be helpful to let the player pick, like slashem 13:42 demo: I don't know if anyone cares enough about dyna to actually maintain it 13:42 wow, that's quite a fat bug then 13:42 makes genoless runs basically a roll of the dice 13:43 did an arch-lich spawn in the planes or not? that's the only thing that would matter then :P 13:43 yeah, I'm surprised no one else has run into this problem but me 13:43 also, a rodney-kill-less ascension would be even harder than it normally is 13:43 since there have been some crazy conduct runs in dyna in the past 13:43 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:44 heh I did! and I was under the illusion that the author of dynahack would fix it back then :P was very annoyed that I had to waste a death ray to kill Rodney 13:44 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 13:44 and then he gave up on the game lol 13:44 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3135 points, T:3031, killed by reverting to unhealthy doppelganger form 13:45 this could have been fixed way earlier if he actually played his game...? 13:55 <@Tone> lol nice lux 13:55 <@Tone> @mtf new year new bot problems 13:56 <@Tone> Seemed like we finally had this worked out too 14:10 k2: what are braziers about? 14:11 fixed light source 14:11 that's it? 14:11 yup 14:11 sheesh 14:18 hothraxxa: i'm currently working on spell failure percentages based on wearing armor (evilhack) 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 1500 points, T:2716, killed by a rothe 14:19 and i've got a working bit of code that factors in your dexterity 14:20 <@luxidream> anyone know how to type inγ€Œγ€in alt code? 14:20 right now its dex <= 7 is an extra 10% penalty, 8-10 is no change, 11-12 is minus 5% penalty, 13 to 15 is minus 10%, 16 to 19 is minus 15%, and >= 20 is minus 20% 14:21 how does that sound? 14:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:21 (i'm going to tweak base penality too, i think sporkhack's starting penalty % is too harsh) 14:24 however the above wont be for just wizards, it'll be any role wearing body armor and trying to cast spells 14:24 i think i'll make lvl 1-3 spells unaffected 14:24 so at level 4 and up, body armor starts to interfere as its a more complex spell 14:25 be careful not to add too much special casing, it risks being unbalanced and incomprehensible 14:26 <[Demo]6> "unbalanced and incomprehensible" u mean like nethack? 14:26 well that's why I am asking for some feedback ;) 14:28 but, I also have some real world experience in this regard. wearing balistic vest with armor plates and kit is cumbersome 14:28 you're not as nimble 14:29 But what's special about spellcasting there, rather than trying to stick a sword into someone? 14:29 <[Demo]6> one time i put a catalyst switch in my shirt and wore it as armor and i wasnt very nimble 14:30 body armor decreases mobility. spell casting includes body movement 14:30 K2: Sure, but trying to slit people up includes body movement too. 14:30 yup 14:31 and you'd have a much easier time doing that in leather armor vs full plate 14:31 Indeed, so I'm wondering why spellcasting is getting special treatment. 14:31 There's that video of the guy doing parkour in medieval plate. 14:32 Pinkbeast you remember the discussion from earlier today yeah? 14:32 K2: Well, I know what I read earlier today but I don't know what I didn't read... 14:33 hah ok 14:33 so in sporkhack, wizards get dinged pretty hard for wearing body armor when trying to cast spells 14:33 I remember that, yes. 14:34 and it makes sense, but really for any role trying to cast. 14:34 at least to me it does 14:34 And I'm not sure it does make sense when trying to fight has no penalty at all 14:34 so for my variant (evilhack) i'm incorporating it, but with modifications 14:34 in favor of the player 14:36 so same argument, you could say if wearing plate mail, minus X to hit 14:36 but at same time damage from edged weapons should be less 14:36 we start getting into a complete overhaul of combat system ;) 14:36 k2: just catching up on backscroll 14:37 k 14:38 i think the sporkhack penalty is too harsh. i would be okay with a system that starts at that penalty but allows you to offset it with something, like dex 14:39 i think i want to tweak the initial values i set 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4200 points, T:3493, killed by a soldier ant 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh4] [GOLDUCK EXPERIENCE REQUIEM] (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 66451 points, T:9268, killed by an Olog-hai 14:41 i am also leaning towards making crystal plate mail immune to all of the above 14:42 its the spellcasters armor ya know 14:42 i also think spellcasting penalty should depend on material: mithril > iron > leather > dsm 14:43 mithril > iron? 14:43 and sure, crystal doesn't have apenalty 14:43 it'd say iron > mithril (mithril is magical) 14:43 i always thought of mithril as being anti-magical 14:44 hah really? what gave you that idea? 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh4] [GOLDUCK EXPERIENCE REQUIEM] (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25350 points, T:1071, killed by a gnome lord 14:46 i'm not sure. i just did 14:48 hothraxxa: because it's metal? 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh343] Karnak (Sam Hum Mal Law), 15381 points, T:4054, killed by a tiger 14:49 anyway, in tolkien it is neither magical, magically attunable, nor anti-magical. It's just really awesome metal. 14:49 |m| 14:49 things in tolkien that are made of mithril: 1) the mithril coat 2) Galadriel's ring 14:51 so were the replacement gates to minas tirith i think 14:51 man its been awhile since i've read Tolkien 14:52 but even if its not magical, its still a lot lighter 14:53 the titanium of ad&d 14:53 yes, it's stronger and lighter than steel, and looks like silver 14:53 * K2 wants titanium underpants 14:53 (please do not start giving mithril silver properties, it isn't actually.) 14:54 i know 14:54 silver != mithril 14:55 would titanium underpants consist of some sort of mesh? 14:55 sounds cold 14:55 that would prob be best 14:56 i mean you have chain mail bikinis 14:58 You could probably use titanium fibres alongside cotton and polyester. 14:58 Hybrid fabric. 14:58 "blend" 14:58 yeah that 14:58 what's the tensile strength of titanium? would the mesh just come apart? 14:59 Google says tensile strength of pure titanium is comparable to low-grade steel. 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh4] [GOLDUCK EXPERIENCE REQUIEM] (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 24365 points, T:904, killed by brainlessness 15:01 On the whole, titanium underpants would probably be more comfortable than underpants made from burlap and barbed wire. 15:05 see 15:05 now i really want some 15:05 well, now you know what your next shop project is. 15:06 DIY titanium underpants 15:06 Film the process of making them and put a montage on YouTube. 15:07 maybe it could be the next 'forged in fire' episode 15:07 today instead of blades, we're going to make underwear 15:07 out of this block of titanium. good luck 15:17 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 15:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 15:26 <@mtf> !ping 15:26 @mtf: Pong! 15:26 <@mtf> πŸ‘ 15:27 <@mtf> no errors in my logs either =/ sigh 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 750 points, T:2218, killed by a giant ant 15:32 <@shadowsapex> Start the new year off right! 15:32 <@shadowsapex> With team a 15:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 16866 points, T:5481, killed by an energy vortex 15:45 [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had a elven dagger bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:17167 15:52 K2: can you recover my recent NH4 game 15:53 just got a segfault 15:54 speedrun is probably busted anyway due to NH4 tracking wallclock 15:59 [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had a staff bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:17277 16:00 wtf is a staff of divination? 16:01 -!- Wolfechu has joined #hardfought 16:01 <@Tone> Maybe it gives a bonus to divination spells 16:01 sporkhack has staves of wielding one gives you a bump of 50 points towards spell success 16:01 in that school 16:02 good call, tone 16:02 <@Tone> Wow, staff of divination sounds great for non-wizards 16:02 or wizards in spork 16:03 <@Tone> ha 16:03 <@Tone> Not familiar with most of spork's changes nowadays πŸ˜… 16:04 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 16:04 wizards are basically monks without any of the monk advantages 16:04 wait they suffer accuracy penalties too? 16:05 i don't know about that. my spells miss a lot as it is 16:05 I mean, in melee 16:06 oh. probably not, i would guess 16:06 I know their spellcasting goes straight to the bottom 16:06 Luxidream i can recover in a lil while 16:06 on phone with vendor 16:06 ok 16:08 anyway with this staff i can actually cast magic mapping (at 55% fail) 16:09 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3666 points, T:3244, killed by something while blind 16:09 51% without the orcish helm, which is literally half my ac 16:09 why does spork nerf wizards so much 16:09 as if vanilla didn't encourage wizards to be melee fighters already? 16:09 ac is difficult to obtain 16:10 you can't be a melee fighter as a spork wizard 16:10 ac is a problem and you are limited to shit weapons 16:11 also, see k2's description of his wizard experience above 16:11 does spork remove magicbane lol 16:11 Luxidream: It's significantly harder to get 16:12 not exactly. it just refuses to give it to you for the first 30,000 turns 16:12 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 802 points, T:603, killed by a gnome 16:12 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12 also, magicbane is a shit weapon to depend on for melee 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:3388 16:13 an actual hard turn cap for magicbane? 16:13 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 16:13 I see nothing wrong with this 16:13 no i just picked that number. it takes a long time is what i mean 16:14 I hope that was sarcasm 16:14 yes 16:14 i'm more pissed off about the eota fuckery, of which i was not aware until today 16:15 where you actually have to wear it for eregen? 16:15 and eregen is terrible? 16:15 meh, that's fair IMO 16:15 (the wearing it for eregen) 16:15 how is that fair, aosdict? you really have no reflection option 16:15 hothraxxa: I'd be okay with the change as applied to vanilla. 16:15 lol spork reflection 16:15 reflection is nerfed so much that it can't be essential anyway :P 16:15 you can't be a vanilla wizard tank 16:16 oh right, and reflection? not really 16:19 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 16:20 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 66783 points, T:9204, killed by a treacherous lady 16:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 239 points, T:475, killed by a gnome lord 16:28 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 16:33 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:33 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 16:36 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 12680 points, T:5814, killed by an energy vortex 16:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15088 16:58 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:05 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2071 points, T:2416, killed by a poisonous cloak 17:08 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 17:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:33 [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 78266 points, T:18801, killed by a leocrotta 17:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:33 good riddance 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 471 points, T:1317, killed by a magic missile 17:51 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:02 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 18:28 this is kind of weird - I'm trying to price-ID scrolls in this general store, and it's showing me the buy price in the drop menu 18:29 what, unpaid ones? 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4372 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:36696 19:00 aosdict: no, they're mine 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 728 points, T:3895, killed by a goblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:33 hmm, sporkhack bug: message "This shop appears to be deserted." while inside a shop 19:36 oh, I think it's that known one where the shopkeeper is detached from the shop somehow 19:39 if it's deserted, then you can have everything for free, right? ;) 19:40 indeed 19:50 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3851 points, T:2035, killed by a giant spider 19:55 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:04 I recommend not talking to or disturbing the shopkeeper, it may be quite annoyed at not knowing where its shop is 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 266 points, T:615, killed by a hobbit, while sleeping off a magical draught 20:19 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 13351 points, T:5359, killed by a snake 20:21 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 283 points, T:419, killed by a bat 20:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 4099 points, T:2013, killed by a troll 20:56 jilles that's usually minetown with the zoo in it 20:57 every so often you'll be on a regular level where part of a close but non-shop room is counted as being in the shop 20:57 if anything drops on the floor in that spot, if you leave with it you'll anger the shopkeeper like you stole it 20:57 keystone kops, everything 20:58 hothraxxo you around? 20:58 oops 20:58 hothraxxa 21:00 <@Tone> Be careful K2, you might summon hothraxxa's evil twin 21:02 ;) 21:10 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 21:16 <@mtf> oh hothraxxo, hear my call 21:31 -!- Disruptor has joined #hardfought 21:32 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 21:34 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:36 !tell hothraxxa I've made progress on my version of the spell failure bit w/ body armor. i'll fill you in tomorrow 21:36 hothraxxa shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 21:36 gnite all 21:37 on about 2.5 hrs of sleep, gonna crash 21:45 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 22:04 -!- Luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:08 -!- Disruptor has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:12 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 22:16 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:61, killed by a water moccasin 22:35 -!- Disruptor has joined #hardfought 22:39 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2148 points, T:1942, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Woodland-elf 23:11 -!- Disruptor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3298 23:23 is there a .nethackrc setting to enable branch stairs to appear a different color? 23:24 or is that compile time? 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:4624 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2843 points, T:3657, killed by a fire ant 23:34 Is that not just a thing in 3.6.2? 23:43 it is not 23:43 it's a 3.6.2-hdf thing, and is not an option 23:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 327 points, T:1050, killed by a hobbit, while sleeping 23:57 I've got 3.6.2-hdf locally but branch stairs aren't colored. Everything else checks out