00:04 <Muad> confused scrolls of charging, i think
00:15 <rld> <@carlarc> sounds wasteful
00:15 <rld> <@carlarc> also
00:15 <rld> <@carlarc> why can i not pick up heavy boxes when polyed into a giant
00:15 <rld> <@carlarc> this is LAME
00:16 <Pinkbeast> Giants are especially good at boulders
00:17 <rld> <@carlarc> i know, but it's laaaame
00:17 <rld> <@carlarc> bleh
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00:26 <rld> <@carlarc> what are some good slashem doppelganger polys
00:26 <rld> <@carlarc> other than fire vampire and giant shoggoth
00:26 <rld> <@carlarc> which are my Mains for when i want to kill good
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01:40 <rld> <@carlarc> uhh
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01:40 <rld> <@carlarc> i just transported my stash to another level and now almost all of my wands seem to be gone
01:40 <rld> <@carlarc> any tips on finding them?
01:41 <Pinkbeast> Save, check the ttyrec
01:41 <rld> <@carlarc> how?
01:41 <Pinkbeast> ... actually I think hdf ttyrecs update on the fly
01:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 8964 points, T:7808, quit
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02:03 <rld> <@carlarc> i seriously feel like this box is eating my items
02:03 <rld> <@carlarc> my pickaxe, my wands, and my goddamn money's gone now too
02:04 <Pinkbeast> Did you check the ttyrec?
02:04 <rld> <@carlarc> im fairly sure youre talking about a public server thing, and im playing standalone
02:05 <Pinkbeast> Standalone can record ttyrecs but it's too late. Reviewing ^P might be an idea
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03:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) killed Beanpole, on T:37661
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04:17 <rld> <@carlarc> wow im dumb
04:18 <rld> <@carlarc> apparently i left all my stuff that i lost inside a bag that i forgot to check for things
04:24 <Pinkbeast> I think there are NH variants now with Ctrl-F
04:25 <aoei> i picked up a super awesome kit for this monk: holy proofed +5 HoB, +4 GoD, +5 speed boots, +5 protection cloak
04:26 <raisse> wow yes
04:28 <aoei> got reflection from "oR and MR from the Eyes, but I'll need some backup MR for when I wake rodney
04:28 <aoei> I did the quest before the castle for once, which was good since I needed the MR
04:30 <bug_sniper> !who
04:30 <Beholder> bug_sniper: [hdf-us] rebatela [nh362] Antichthon [slex] | [hdf-eu] luxor [slshm] aoei [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players
04:32 <aoei> probably will have to start wearing GDSM under the other armour, the high dex and max luck should mean its not too bad
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04:48 <rld> <@carlarc> okay so
04:48 <rld> <@carlarc> i got hit by a lightning bug
04:49 <rld> <@carlarc> my wand of teleportation broke, i got teled into my stash
04:49 <rld> <@carlarc> my wand of digging broke, pits swarmed all around my
04:49 <rld> <@carlarc> my wand of polymorph broke, turning my chest into a blindfold
04:49 <rld> <@carlarc> i'm fairly sure that i am basically fucked
04:51 <rld> <@carlarc> because the blindfold reverted into a chest after a while (slashem)
04:51 <rld> <@carlarc> and there were none of my items inside.
04:57 <aoei> fucking shit. vlad is too tough for me
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05:48 <Mandevil> I once accidentally polied my stash box...
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07:28 <dewz> when i put on amulet and see monsters through walls without being blind its warning right ?
07:30 <elenmirie_> ESP
07:30 <dewz> yeah warning has the numbers
07:30 <elenmirie_> yes, and it only comes in rings :)
07:31 <dewz> right
07:31 <dewz> thx
07:31 <elenmirie_> yw
07:55 <raisse> An arrow shoots out at you!  You are hit by an arrow.  Your leg deels better.
07:55 <raisse> feels better, even
08:35 <aosdict> raisse: or "heels better" for maximum pun
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08:40 <raisse> lol yes, but that's not so easy to typo
08:44 <stenno> we did our new years shopping :>
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09:47 <rld> <@Winsalot> At this particular moment I feel very inspired to make something of my own 😃
09:47 <rld> <Winsalot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/528584878980202497/not_like_this.png
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09:55 <Pinkbeast> On the first day of Christmas, the RNG gave to me, a wand for zapping Rodney.
09:55 <Pinkbeast> Damn, RNG doesn't scan :-/
09:56 <Pinkbeast> On the first day of Christmas, the dungeon gave to me, a death ray zapping Rodney.
09:59 <jonadab> "the numbers gave to me" scans.
10:03 <aosdict> So does "floor god".
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10:04 <rld> <@luxidream> On the fifth day of Christmas, the dungeon gave to me, fiiiiiive golden rings!
10:04 <rld> <@luxidream> Four charging scrolls, three full heals, two artifacts, and a death wand zapping Rodney.
10:04 <Disruptor> lol
10:05 <Muad> five of the same ring? well, at least it's edible.
10:14 <oh6> There's a warhorse on the other side.  Perhaps that's why you cannot move it.
10:14 <oh6> "Perhaps"
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10:28 <Disruptor> lol
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10:36 <Andrio> I have that hidden now
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10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 268 points, T:1672, killed by a gas spore's explosion
11:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) killed the BOFH, on T:45458
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11:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 886 points, T:1834, killed by a giant ant
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12:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8521
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12:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a plains centaur, on T:9721
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12:24 <rld> <@Tone> aosdict, ais523:  Interestingly, the game actually refers to turns as moves on the tombstone screen.
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12:27 <PavelB> ais isn't here rn
12:28 <rld> <@Tone> ah, thanks 😄
12:29 <rld> <@Tone> !tell ais523 Interestingly, the game actually refers to turns as moves on the endgame tombstone screen.
12:29 <Beholder> I'm on it, @Tone.
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12:49 <LarienTelrunya> !lastgame
12:49 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nh361/dumplog/1546029220.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/slex/dumplog/1546088403.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nh361/dumplog/1545472040.nh361.txt
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13:06 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed minor fixes to crawling out of water for monsters
13:06 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
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13:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:11049
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14:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13973
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14:15 <FIQ> !tell K2 overencumbered monsters now have to drop items to crawl out of water
14:15 <Beholder> K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, FIQ.
14:16 <ais523> FIQ: heh, I saw that bugfix in #nethack4 before I saw it in #hardfought
14:16 <Beholder> ais523: Message from @Tone at 2018-12-29 12:29 EST: Interestingly, the game actually refers to turns as moves on the endgame tombstone screen.
14:17 <ais523> @Tone: the variable that holds the turn count is called "moves", the other variable that holds the turn count is called "monstermoves", in vanilla these two can never become different from each other
14:17 <ais523> I think probably "moves" was intended to be an action count and "monstermoves" to be a turn count, but that's not what they actually do
14:18 <FIQ> hm
14:18 <FIQ> I had to add several DEADMONSTER() checks in my last update
14:18 <FIQ> due to monsters falling into water -> trying to crawl -> taking off gloves -> instapetrify
14:19 <FIQ> and thus having to abort the entire attempt because the monster is no longer alive
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14:21 <rld> <@Tone> ais523:  Ah, that's really interesting.  The redundancy definitely seems awkward though.
14:22 <ais523> in Deucehack I made the two different, "moves" counting time as seen by the player, "monstermoves" counting time as seen by the level
14:22 <ais523> (because in Deucehack time can flow at different rates on different levels due to players entering moves at different rates)
14:22 <FIQ> how does time pass offlevel in deucehack?
14:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Neu), 110 points, T:83, killed by a water moccasin
14:23 <ais523> if nobody's on the level, it doesn't
14:23 <FIQ> but what is last moves
14:23 <FIQ> in that case
14:23 <FIQ> what happens if someone on T:5000 exits a level
14:23 <FIQ> and then someone on T:1000 enters it
14:23 <FIQ> or vice versa
14:23 <K2> Slash'EM updated (all servers)
14:23 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-12-29 13:06 EST: pushed minor fixes to crawling out of water for monsters
14:23 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-12-29 14:15 EST: overencumbered monsters now have to drop items to crawl out of water
14:23 <ais523> each level has a turn counter, it goes up by 1 for every turn someone spends on the level
14:24 <FIQ> ah, so there is no concept of time passing while offlevel in deucehack?
14:24 <ais523> so if you enter a level at T:4500 and leave it at T:5000, the level is at T:500 from its point of view; then when the player on T:1000 enters, the level's still on T:500
14:24 <ais523> right
14:24 <FIQ> making mon_catchup_elapsed_time() obsolete
14:24 <FIQ> I see
14:24 <ais523> you could make time pass offlevel fairly easily but it's hard to come up with a sensible algorithm for specifying how much time has passed
14:25 <ais523> so just setting it to 0 was simplest, and in practice most players don't notice
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14:26 <K2> Disruptor
14:26 <K2> i just patched slash'em
14:26 <K2> you'll want to save and reload
14:26 <ais523> deucehack is sort-of the opposite of fiqhack, instead of trying to make all the mechanics symmetrical and transparent, it tries to do anything that, from the point of view of the player, appears to work
14:26 <FIQ> hm
14:26 <ais523> although it's a wonder that the shop code works at all
14:27 <FIQ> I should make a multiplayer prototype of how I think multiplayer should work in NetHack and have people test it
14:27 <FIQ> to see if it's usable
14:27 <ais523> "one player waits for another player to move" is apparently an unpopular mechanic no matter what the situation
14:28 <ais523> so my #1 priority in a new multiplayer patch is avoiding that
14:28 <FIQ> I'm considering doing that, but have a cutoff that is more than 1 turn
14:28 <FIQ> i.e. allow people to offset each other for 10-100 turns, whatever works best
14:28 <FIQ> while on the same level
14:29 <FIQ> and let monsters' own turns average based on distance and offset
14:31 <K2> FIQhack updated (all servers)
14:38 <rld> <@luxidream> ais523: I think it would be good to have as an option
14:38 <rld> <@luxidream> a kind of "tactics mode" if you will
14:38 <ais523> what, people waiting for each other?
14:38 <rld> <@luxidream> in a difficult situation where both players are thinking about what they have to do
14:38 <rld> <@luxidream> yes
14:38 <ais523> it's easy to implement but the evidence from last time is that nobody would play it
14:39 <ais523> I was one of the most tolerant people of it and it even got on my nerves sometimes
14:39 <ais523> the standard strategy was "one player plays Arc and digs through the floor on T:2" to get out of turn alternation as quickly as possible
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:15763
14:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 296 points, T:1029, killed by an electric shock
14:49 <FIQ> ais523: did steeds work in deucehack
14:49 <FIQ> it's the kind of thing that has no representation for monsters whatsoever
14:49 <FIQ> and engulfing
14:52 <ais523> they didn't
14:52 <ais523> engulfing also didn't work, but unlike steeds, wasn't disabled
14:53 <ais523> I died to an engulfing-related bug in the Adeon+me ascension of deucehack (i.e. I died, Adeon ascended)
14:53 <FIQ> nice
14:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) murdered Montu, her faithful kitten, on T:1957
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15:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] k2 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 2162 points, T:2452, killed by a touch of death
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15:39 <K2> arch-lich on dlvl 5
15:39 <K2> wtf lol
15:39 <ais523> chameleon, or monster with a polymorph wand or potion
15:39 <ais523> the chameleon is likely the only survivable case unless you can get off the level immediately
15:40 <[Demo]6> or dope bones
15:40 <K2> i need to start using <rhetorical> </rhetorical>
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:21611
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15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] k2 (Yeo Hum Mal Cha), 345 points, T:969, killed by a small mimic
15:49 <rld> <@Tone> I thought poly wands and potions respected difficulty level
15:49 <K2> it was probably a chameleon
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15:57 <aosdict> I think I've covered all the arch-lich-out-of-nowhere cases in xnethack except for mkclass.
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6179 points, T:3993, killed by a black unicorn
15:58 <rld> <@Tone> Nice, that's a big improvement over vanilla
16:00 <ais523> aosdict: does polymorph limit the possible created forms, or does it not exist in shallow areas?
16:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:23317
16:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23318
16:04 <rld> <@Tone> I think only the traps generate OOD monsters
16:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:23709
16:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:23710
16:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided disenchanter, on T:23713
16:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided class N, on T:23715
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16:12 <aosdict> ais523: The difficulty check for polytraps is the same as potions/wands, and shapeshifters have a difficulty check.
16:13 <aosdict> I guess bones is still viable, but there's no way around griefing anyway.
16:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 grayswandir", on T:24035
16:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2796 points, T:3112, killed by a giant mimic
16:29 <rld> <@luxidream> looking back at old posts it looks like the reddit round robin was killed by one griefer
16:30 <rld> <@luxidream> maybe we could start that up again, seems like it was fun
16:31 <ais523> there are plenty of robin accounts in existence, the problem is normally finding players
16:31 <ais523> redditrobin only really worked because it was so well-advertised, and might have died anyway after a while
16:32 <ais523> (in terms of the robin itself dying down, /character/ deaths were more or less inevitable :-D)
16:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:24931
16:41 <jonadab> redditrobin died because of one troll
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16:41 <aoei> Vlad is giving my monk a hard time :(
16:41 <jonadab> Some troll who caused special hangup treatment on NAO.
16:41 <jonadab> With regard to bones.
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16:44 <rld> <@luxidream> yhelothar?
16:44 <rld> <@luxidream> looks like he is long gone now?
16:46 <jonadab> Haven't seen him lately.
16:47 <jonadab> But yeah, he went on /r/nethack and discovered the redditrobin thread, started asking why people were posting these synopses here, someone _told_ him...
16:47 <rld> <@luxidream> so he quit ascendable games? wow epic troll
16:47 <jonadab> Not quit exactly.
16:48 <jonadab> But he was clearly trolling, and it didn't make people want to play on the account.
16:48 <jonadab> I don't remember the exact details.
16:54 <ais523> right, yhelothar inspired us to add code to NAO that prevented a level from leaving bones if there had ever been a hangup save made on that level
16:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5456 points, T:3531, killed by a dwarf
17:00 <rld> <@Tone> Interesting, I'd never heard about that
17:00 <rld> <@Tone> aoei:  Yeah, new Vlad is a pain  :/
17:00 <rld> <@luxidream> Ais523: how did yhelothar abuse hangup to survive
17:00 <rld> <@luxidream> That’s the part I’m confused about
17:01 <jonadab> It wasn't to survive.
17:01 <aosdict> If you die, let the game hang up before terminating normally?
17:01 <jonadab> It was to cause unnatural things to happen to monster movement points, I think?
17:01 <aosdict> Nowadays we have context.game_over or some such, but not in 3.4.3.
17:02 <jonadab> It had to do with how he wanted the bones to be when someone loaded them.
17:02 <jonadab> The hangup abuse made them deadlier.
17:02 <aoei> rld, ?oSM didn't work so well since they just fall down the ladder, after a while of futile fighting and him fleeing I chased him to the level above Orcus, then wandered around on Orcus' level for a while
17:02 <aoei> luckily a cockatrice was generated
17:02 <aoei> and I took out both Vlad and Orcus with it
17:03 <rld> <@Tone> ah, yes Cockatrice is the best way to deal with them
17:03 <rld> <@Tone> well him (and them  😄   )
17:03 <rld> <@Tone> I love getting two unique kills out of a cockatrice like that
17:04 <ais523> I don't know what yhelothar was actually /doing/ with the hangup abuse, just that it existed
17:04 <rld> <@luxidream> Jonadab: ah, so that’s how he made the minotaurs move immediately when the player went down
17:04 <rld> <@Tone> @luxidream You used to be able to end your session on NAO at the first death screen, and when you recovered you'd still be there right before you died.  Not sure if that's what you mean by abusing it to survive
17:05 <rld> <@Tone> It was definitely abused by some people
17:05 <aoei> is rld two people? I'm supes confused
17:05 <rld> <@Tmasher> It's the Discord bridge
17:05 <aoei> ah!
17:05 <rld> <@Tone> That sounds like a different issue than what you guys are discussing though
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17:07 <jonadab> It's probably related.
17:07 <jonadab> Hangup handling is traditionally all kinds of buggy.
17:08 <jonadab> And vanilla NetHack used global variables in some unfortunate ways.
17:08 <jonadab> And the intersection of these two things caused weirdness.
17:11 <rld> <@riker> aoei: there's only like 5-6 people who use the discord end regularly though, and tbh I kinda just lump tone, mtf, and luxidream into a single "good at the game" person
17:11 <jonadab> Heh.
17:12 <rld> <@riker> so you can always just assume rld is an AI with dissociative identity disorder
17:12 <rld> <@riker> jonadab: I think mtf and luxi are both fiqhack fans which doesn't help their case
17:12 <jonadab> luxi plays slex
17:12 <jonadab> That differentiates him
17:12 <rld> <@luxidream> Haven’t beaten FIQhack in a while
17:12 <rld> <@luxidream> and I don’t play slex seriously
17:13 <jonadab> No one plays slex *seriously*.  It's not amenable to that.  Even the variant creator doesn't take it seriously.
17:14 <rld> <@luxidream> What about her essay on how slex is the best variant
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17:14 <rld> <@riker> yeah no amy is serious she's just also a troll
17:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 7308 points, T:6488, killed by a white unicorn
17:14 <jonadab> Her definition of "best" does not entail being most able to be taken seriously.
17:15 <rld> <@luxidream> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Blog#About_the_attempts_of_various_NetHack_forks_to_balance_the_game_and_make_it_harder.2C_and_why_SLASH.27EM_Extended_succeeds_at_doing_so_while_others_fail
17:16 <jonadab> I've seen it.
17:16 <jonadab> Her basic argument is that if it's possible for an experienced player to be reliably good at the game, that's a bad thing.
17:17 <jonadab> It should be more random!  
17:18 <jonadab> nything that would make it possible for a skilled player to take the game carefully and seriously and treat every run as a challenge to be won, is a bug to Amy.
17:18 <jonadab> *Anything
17:18 <rld> <@luxidream> So just a fundamental difference in opinion from the rest of the variant community
17:19 <jonadab> Most of the rest, in any event.  Yes.
17:21 <rld> <@luxidream> I don’t think she tests any of her changes for balance at all, but then again, I don’t know if most variant developers do
17:21 <jonadab> Her whole concept of what "balance" means is fundamentally different from almost everyone else's.
17:22 <rld> <@riker> yeah read her wiki page
17:22 <rld> <@riker> tha'ts all
17:22 <rld> <@riker> it says it all
17:25 <aosdict> There's a limit you can do on testing for balance as a variant developer; it's much more economical to just analyze the change for balance. But that can be prone to making something imbalanced because you didn't think of it.
17:26 <jonadab> aosdict: Due to different play styles, there's a limit to what the developer is going to notice anyway.  Realistically, you need play testers to achieve balance.
17:26 <jonadab> Which means some changes will need to be revised.
17:27 <rld> <@luxidream> I think it wouldn’t hurt to play the role a bit: for example, there were a lot of problems with splice cartomancer that would have been resolved quickly if AntiGulp had played through the game
17:28 <rld> <@luxidream> play a bit, not necessarily a specific new role, sorry
17:31 <rld> <@luxidream> it’s also difficult to theorize about balance implications without playtesting in some aspects
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17:32 <LarienTelrunya> currently slex is quite balanced, and there are two players playing it seriously lately (they're finding quite some bugs and imbalances)
17:34 <rld> <@riker> who?
17:34 <rld> <@riker> just curious
17:34 <rld> <@luxidream> like if you nerf damage reduction by making it roll twice and take the lower result, like FIQ did, it’s hard to tell what the effect on gameplay is just by looking at the numbers
17:34 <rld> <@luxidream> porkman and antichthon I think
17:34 <rld> <@riker> ah
17:35 <rld> <@luxidream> antichthon has made it really far into hell
17:35 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, and Antichthon also cleared the ultra-hard illusory castle twice, which no one else (including myself) ever achieved
17:36 <LarienTelrunya> I was afraid the boss of that branch could be too powerful but apparently he's just fine :)
17:36 <aoei> booom
17:37 <rld> <@Tone> gl aoei  😄
17:38 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: The thing with slex is the range of possible random generations and interactions is so huge that we don't *know* if there's some ridiculous OPness or ridiculous disadvantage lurking out there.
17:38 <rld> <@luxidream> that’s not a bad turncount aoei
17:38 <aoei> i consider this slow xD
17:38 <aoei> but im doing the whole weaponless monk thing
17:38 <rld> <@luxidream> I hit 40k regularly so that’s fast lol
17:39 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: the same could be said about dnethack too :D Antichthon was quite good at discovering ridiculous OPness in the past
17:39 <rld> <@luxidream> Even when I speedrun I go over 20k
17:40 <rld> <@riker> larien: nah dnh is balanced in it's own way
17:40 <rld> <@riker> bugs nonwithstanding
17:41 <[Demo]6> dnh and balanced lol
17:41 <LarienTelrunya> ^^
17:41 <LarienTelrunya> sorry, but I played dnethack and... well slex is several orders of magnitude more balanced (yes I know, cue the HAHAHAHAHAHAHA but I'm serious)
17:41 <rld> <@riker> it's very balanced :)
17:41 <rld> <@riker> yeah each individual part of dnh is balanced, but together it's kinda a mess
17:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 918 points, T:1893, killed by a water moccasin
17:42 <LarienTelrunya> incantifiers have infinite mana and can reach expert in all spell schools regardless of how sucky your role's spellcasting would normally be, and to top it off you start with two kickass spells, how the hell is that balanced? that's ridiculously OP :P
17:43 <rld> <@luxidream> Wasn’t inc nerfed recently
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17:44 <rld> <@riker> yeah
17:44 <rld> <@riker> into the ground
17:44 <rld> <@riker> the starting equip is fine but now you can't really be a spellcaster mid-game anymore
17:44 <rld> <@riker> you run out of food hella fast
17:46 <[Demo]6> nah
17:46 <[Demo]6> if you stay moving fast enough you are fine
17:47 <[Demo]6> you just have to push into the land of scrolls of tele and enchanted armors
17:47 <LarienTelrunya> play dnhslex bundlebundlebundle :D anyway, time for me to sleep
17:47 <LarienTelrunya> night guys!
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17:47 <[Demo]6> good night
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17:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] porkman (Pri Red Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:28465
18:06 <rld> <@riker> demo: you have to hit the castle + law quest really early though sometimes
18:06 <rld> <@riker> RNGesus isn't always happy to give you inc food
18:08 <[Demo]6> yeah but its not a problem
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18:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 72 points, T:444, killed by a succubus
18:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 545 points, T:1623, killed by a homunculus
18:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 240 points, T:718, killed by a small mimic
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18:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 219 points, T:588, killed by a water moccasin
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18:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 227 points, T:1593, killed by a fox, while praying
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18:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 12 points, T:217, poisoned by a rotted elf corpse, while helpless
18:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 288 points, T:1246, killed by a water moccasin
18:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 198 points, T:662, killed by a water moccasin
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 571 points, T:1588, killed by a kobold lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze
19:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Sam Hum Mal Law), 68 points, T:89, killed by a falling rock
20:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 12435 points, T:7456, killed by a winged gargoyle
20:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] porkman (Pri Red Mal Neu) killed The Greater Hell-Lichen, on T:33975
20:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:3977
20:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "iuh", on T:3984
20:25 <ShivanHunter> iuh iuh, cthulhu fhtagn!
20:27 <aosdict> isn't it ia?
20:27 <aosdict> oh
20:31 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed minor fixes: monsters now learn BUC when wielding cursed items out of view, and they now don't constantly change to and from ranged weapons when in LOE but not melee
20:31 <Beholder> No worries, FIQ, I've got this!
20:31 <FIQ> this should also take care of any "monster bashes with his bow..."
20:31 <K2> ok
20:31 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-12-29 20:31 EST: pushed minor fixes: monsters now learn BUC when wielding cursed items out of view, and they now don't constantly change to and from ranged weapons when in LOE but not melee
20:32 <FIQ> K2: you changed the Beholder message?
20:32 <K2> Tangles
20:32 <FIQ> I see
20:33 <K2> it has some randomness now
20:33 <FIQ> the message is a lot more cheerful
20:33 <FIQ> ah, cool
20:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 822 points, T:4634, killed by a water demon
20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:187
20:41 <K2> FIQhack updated (all servers)
20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 8889348 points, T:73237, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Disruptor/slashem/dumplog/1545787994.slashem.txt
20:43 <Disruptor> woohoo!
20:43 <ShivanHunter> Go team @!
20:43 <K2> congrats Disruptor!
20:43 <Disruptor> thanks - that's two I've done now on Slashem, Fire Mage and Necromancer
20:44 <K2> nice
20:44 <Disruptor> with that I'm off for a while. adios all - the demigods salute you!
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21:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 157 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:30289
21:14 <rld> <@Tone> grats Disruptor!
21:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 690 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:30706
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22:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7673
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23:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Mars, on T:10574
23:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:11049
23:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:11051
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23:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13799
23:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:15052
23:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:16192
23:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:20069