00:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18 -!- Guthix has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 7207 points, T:3658, killed by a watch captain 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:6464 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 23715 points, T:6588, killed by a mountain centaur 01:02 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:07 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 15246 points, T:5002, killed by a mumak 01:45 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1807 points, T:1556, killed by a jackal 01:49 -!- Antichthon has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- Antichthon has left #hardfought 01:49 -!- Antichthon has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 02:10 -!- remirol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 02:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 02:41 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:29 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) killed Kira, on T:14229 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] brubupu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1942 03:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] brubupu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1537 points, T:2602, killed by a large dog called Boris 03:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] brubupu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 41 points, T:52, poisoned by a rotted orc corpse, while helpless 03:56 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 03:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] brubupu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1162 points, T:2872, killed by a rabid rat 04:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] brubupu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:771 04:08 are years old qdb entries ok? 04:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] brubupu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 432 points, T:1367, killed by a giant bat 04:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 995 points, T:1671, killed by a dwarf 04:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 369 points, T:1136, killed by a wererat 04:59 -!- Antichthon` has joined #hardfought 05:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:02 -!- Antichthon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:34 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 05:39 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:39 bug_sniper: yes, why not? 05:40 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:40 if the qdb moderators disagree they'll just discard it instead of okaying it 05:40 i welcome new old quotes! 05:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:57 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:58 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:23 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) killed Grund the Orc King, on T:22545 06:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:6527 06:36 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 06:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:7247 06:44 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a rust monster, on T:8038 06:56 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 07:11 -!- Antichthon` has quit [] 07:14 -!- dewz has joined #hardfought 07:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:58 morning morning morning 08:01 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:01 -!- Guthix has joined #hardfought 08:01 good morning! 08:01 (ish( 08:04 heh 08:04 morning! 08:05 i just pounded back an extra strength 5 hr energy drink. so excited and i dont even know why! 08:05 :P 08:06 lol 08:10 -!- Antichthon has joined #hardfought 08:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:37 ORC OTWN Reeeee 08:46 -!- dewz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:00 ....thank 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 193 points, T:268, killed by a dwarf 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 93 points, T:237, killed by a scroll of earth 09:13 oops 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) murdered the prophylactic worm, his faithful little dog, on T:580 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 212 points, T:319, killed by a gnome lord 09:22 ^^^ how? 09:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:30 How what who where when? 09:36 they probably called their dog that 09:37 and especially for humans it's really easy to accidentally kill your pet 09:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:32692 10:04 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) wished for "Blessed invisible thoroughly greased +3 Legendary Shirt", on T:25768 10:07 hothraxxa: I wonder if hallucination does that...? 10:15 genie wish! What to wish for as monk.... 10:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 626 points, T:887, killed by a bolt of cold 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:189 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 82 points, T:191, killed by Ms. Kadirli; the shopkeeper 10:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "xxxxx ecks ecks ecks", on T:8952 10:38 -!- dewz has joined #hardfought 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Pri Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3538 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 3390 points, T:3687, killed by a shuriken 11:11 i asked "how?" because the dog was murdered on T:580 but the gnome lord killed him on T:319 11:11 not because of the name, which i assumed was given 11:11 but hallucination could explain it too 11:13 <@Tone> Does #quit have a turn threshold for the bot announcement? 11:13 <@Tone> That was my guess 11:17 yes i guessed that too, but !mincount or whatever it is didn't apply since the death was announced for fewer turns than the murder 11:25 [hdf-us] [slex] thiefwriter (Jus Elf Fem Law) killed the human mummy of Andrio, the former Ronin, on T:1458 11:30 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 57210 points, T:12534, killed by a magical blast 11:33 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:35838 11:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1280 points, T:1847, killed by a rothe 11:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:46 [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3918 11:47 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:56 dabbing on the liches 12:01 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 12:10 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 12:12 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:17 <@luxidream> Ah rip ok 12:23 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:24 has the watchcaptain in minetown anything cool ? 12:24 i only know some watchcaptain has silver sabre or something 12:30 dewz: watch captain sometimes has a silver saber or a long sword. their armor is half way decent usually too 12:31 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:33 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) genocided class R, on T:36174 12:36 thx k2 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed ring of regeneration", on T:36427 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:36427 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:36685 13:01 Eyy, jnethack updated to 3.6.1! 13:04 [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 12165 points, T:5944, killed by an owlbear 13:05 one of the more unpleasant games i've had 13:06 :/ 13:06 but now its over, and therapy can commence 13:08 discovering how much spork screws over wizards was a significant contributor 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 859 points, T:814, killed by an arrow 13:11 <[Demo]6> why does the long bow of diana suck so much? 13:14 i can only assume it was a deliberate desire to make it crappy, like the heart of ahriman 13:15 how does the bow suck? 13:15 you basically get unlimited ammo 13:16 bows suck 13:16 it's not the artifact in particular 13:17 <[Demo]6> it doesnt do better dmg 13:17 unlimited crappy ammo 13:17 when you want to have an even halfway decent missile game, you need +6 or +7 stuff 13:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:17 <[Demo]6> any variant that adds object props NEEDS to buff the bow 13:18 but can't you just stockpile them and then enchant? 13:18 that said, i think it might have an important use in a nudist game, but.... not sure about that even 13:18 you can already stockpile arrows and enchant them, there are tons of arrows in the game 13:18 right, right 13:18 and shuriken are vastly better anyway 13:18 they want EasyHack 13:19 <[Demo]6> im playing dyna and i like what the fuck am i gonna do with this piece of shit 13:19 OPHack 13:19 <[Demo]6> a bow of fire is better than it 13:19 K2: are you considering hosting jNetHack on hardfought? I'm just curious if it requires anything special server-side? 13:19 jNetHack? what sorcery is this? 13:19 * hothraxxa paints over the evilhack label and writes easyhack on it 13:19 easyhack? ok, uncursed Diana creates arrows with equivalent enchantment; blessed Diana creates monster-seekin arrows that never miss, even if you don't see any enemies 13:19 magical glyphs,IDK 13:20 * K2 smacks hothraxxa 13:20 its alpha and already harder than vanilla ;) 13:20 <[Demo]6> jnh is junethack 13:20 I'm refering to the Japanese port from r/nethack yesterday 13:20 i havent read reddit in a few days 13:21 jnethack is japanese nethack translation, yes 13:21 curious to see if it uses Kanji. 13:22 <[Demo]6> host it on hdf-jp 13:22 "An HDF in every timezone" 13:22 hah 13:22 hdf-pitcairnislands 13:22 <[Demo]6> arent the japanese nethack players self segregated from the other ones? 13:22 arrows are d7 against small and +0 to hit, shuriken are d8 against small and +2 to hit. Yet shuriken require no launcher. It makes no sense 13:22 hdf-antartica 13:22 oh yeah good point, just put it at the south pole and boom, all timezones 13:23 <[Demo]6> we should use antartica for data centers 13:23 exception: silver arrows are decent even when thrown by hand 13:23 <[Demo]6> cheaper cooling :P 13:23 "Hey, [Demo]6, can you go replace that failed harddrive at the antarctica station this morning?" 13:23 i would say hdf-northpole but global warming 13:24 <[Demo]6> ok, ill send the command to one of the robots 13:24 bouquet: Well, we already have a permanent research station there... 13:24 there's no pub nearby 13:24 no pizza delivery. 13:24 bouquet if hdf-antartica became real, of course we'd have to create a pub near it 13:24 good thinking 13:24 and a pizza hut 13:24 Frequent, violent penguin attacks. 13:25 * elenmirie__ prepares to open a pub that serves pizza 13:25 penguins stay near the coast line 13:25 elenmirie__ really? 13:25 @le?penguin 13:25 penguin ~3~ tengu (i) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 13 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d7 bite physical | Alignment: 7 | Flags: genocidable, teleports, stalker, infravisible 13:25 <[Demo]6> just for the record, setting up bulletproof hosting in either northern canada or Antarctica is on my bucket list 13:25 sure, it's a long-standing dream of mine to own a small business in antarctica 13:26 well... of course it is. silly me 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:1384 13:26 The latter is probably going to run into international treaty issues. 13:26 ;) 13:26 lol i thought you meant in general 13:26 also, third double bones this game... what's going on here? 1. elenmirie & pondlife, 2. Cropper & Dewzmint, 3. brubupu & Guthix .... is this an artifact of the bones pool size on hdf? 13:27 jonadab: i'll be my own standing army. screw treaties 13:27 For northern Canada, you'd only have to deal with the Canadian and province level government, though. 13:27 you got elenmirie and pondlife? So did I in my current game 13:27 Besides, no place on earth has a cooler-sounding name than Nunavut. 13:27 it would be a territorial government 13:27 <[Demo]6> not if i pretend to be an eskimo 13:27 there can't be two of those 13:27 hothraxxa: Or that, right. 13:27 <[Demo]6> or proxy it all through them 13:27 <[Demo]6> im pretty sure nobody really bothers enforcing stuff up there cause its too cold 13:28 it is more likely to leave bones after just finding a bones file, sure, but only when the bones pool size is small, i would think 13:28 how about we just make procs that consume less power, are more efficient, and give off less heat? 13:28 bouquet intel has been doing that 13:28 <[Demo]6> oh yeah if i ever run that shit itll be all arm based servers 13:29 hell they all have 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 962 points, T:1607, killed by an explosion 13:29 smaller physical size, lower TDP and heat generation while being faster than previous generations 13:30 <@luxidream> So what’s the verdict on jnethack, K2? 13:30 <@luxidream> I think it would be pretty cool 13:30 i'm looking at it 13:30 just downloaded the diff 13:30 lol shit 13:31 the Op wasnt kidding 13:31 its definitely in japanese... 13:31 <[Demo]6> lmao 13:31 <[Demo]6> japanese nethack is in japanese? wtf? 13:32 so instead of samurai, do you think its replaced with 'angry englishman' 13:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 6102 points, T:3824, killed by a black unicorn 13:32 <[Demo]6> yes lol 13:32 <[Demo]6> actually i dont think japan really cares about england as much as they do america 13:32 <[Demo]6> i feel like america has had more interactions with them 13:33 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 13:33 [Demo]6: England had important interaction with them earlier, when they first opened up to the West; but America has been more important since the mid twentieth century. 13:34 <[Demo]6> wasnt the dude that rolled up on them and threw their doors open an american? 13:34 K2: NetHack Brass can also be in Japanese, but it's a compile-time option. 13:35 before i host, i'm kind of curious who would play it 13:35 as in, is there an audience for it 13:35 or would be a 'build it and they will come' kind of thing 13:35 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:35 <[Demo]6> dont the japanese have their own nethack community? 13:36 hai... ? 13:36 I don't know if they have public servers? 13:36 <[Demo]6> do they even want that? 13:36 But unless you're on Japanese-language internet fora, I don't know how you'd even let them know about its existence. 13:38 public server page on the wiki doesnt list any japanese servers 13:38 oh god 13:38 hdf-jp 13:38 Heh, host in Japan? 13:38 no no no no dont,.... just dont 13:38 Advertise on rakuten 13:38 And yahoo.jp 13:39 so then do all variants host on hdf-jp also need a japanese translation? 13:39 you can do hdf-es and hdf-de, too 13:39 Haha. 13:39 hdf-ru 13:39 * K2 still wants hdf-antartica for real 13:39 Would hdf-ru host slex? 13:39 don't joke. there are several variants with a japanese translation 13:39 <[Demo]6> can we get an aramaic translation? 13:39 Brass has Japanese. 13:40 <[Demo]6> brass *is* japanese though 13:40 klingon translation please 13:40 [Demo]6: If someone fluent in Arabic volunteers to translate it. 13:40 And do the rtl support. 13:40 Oh, man, rtl support. 13:40 Shoot me now. 13:40 hah 13:40 <[Demo]6> can we get an american translation? 13:41 picka tribe 13:41 cherokee 13:41 maybe apache 13:41 Vanilla is generally considered American. 13:41 A British translation could be interesting. 13:41 <[Demo]6> fine, a redneck translation 13:41 are we talking public servers or is the topic now a nethack/civilisation cross-over? 13:41 t'all and all y'all 13:41 y'all 13:41 dammit 13:41 bhaak its whatever we want it to be ;) 13:42 <@luxidream> yeehaw 13:42 i view it as an exercise in what the fuckery 13:43 on serious note - i hope the author responds to your question bhaak 13:43 maybe all japanese nethack players play on the dark web 13:43 yeah, would be cool 13:43 we need a nethack tor server 13:44 <[Demo]6> nethack hidden service 13:44 we have no clue if the whole population of japan plays nethack or only a handful code up the translations :-) 13:44 we must know! 13:44 ok bhaak 13:44 assemble your team 13:44 we're gojng in 13:46 we will infiltrate their borders and integrate into their culture 13:46 Doesn't ascension.run have a Tor hidden service? 13:46 i wouldnt be surprised 13:47 I think Menche may be the only one who uses it, but I think it exists. 13:48 <@luxidream> dark web nethack? does it need to attract more edgy hackers than it already does? 13:49 mob bosses and drug lords need a distraction while they wait for their bitcoin confirms to process 13:49 oooh look, nethack 13:49 i invite alt-righters to come play nethack. maybe when they interact with queer lefties like me they'll soften up a little 13:49 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1274 points, T:1982, killed by a black unicorn 13:50 hah 13:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:50 <[Demo]6> or kill themselves 13:50 omg i can feel the gayness through the screen' is what they'll say 13:51 i know a couple ppl that are that fucked up 13:52 That's gay. 13:52 ... 13:52 rofl 13:53 <[Demo]6> god i hate wearing banded mail 13:53 <[Demo]6> it means i have no inventory capacity 13:53 suck it up 13:53 <[Demo]6> its turn 28k 13:53 :) 13:53 <[Demo]6> i should have something better by now 13:53 (As a linguistic descxriptivist, I can fully embrace the newest meanings of words, so "gay" means inane as far as I'm concerned.) 13:54 [Demo]6: Go into the Mines, kill some dwarves, take their mithril. 13:54 jonadab: you could have meant 'that's happy' 13:54 K2: Then I'd have said something more clearly linguistically archaic, like "Tis gay, that." 13:54 <[Demo]6> i think dyna doesnt like mithril on dwarves 13:54 <[Demo]6> also im a lawful elven ranger so the dwarves are being too peaceful 13:55 jonadab: i'm gonna use that phrase 13:55 somehow 13:55 today 13:55 Heh. 13:56 <[Demo]6> err, damn, dwarvish mithril is giving 3 less AC than banded mail 13:59 <@luxidream> Demo 13:59 <@luxidream> Armor skill is broken 13:59 <@luxidream> Use the banded mail 14:01 <[Demo]6> yeah im doing that cause i can 14:01 <@luxidream> It also decreases the weight of armor 14:01 <[Demo]6> oh? 14:01 <@luxidream> So it’s lighter than it actually says on the inventory screen 14:01 <[Demo]6> interesting 14:02 <[Demo]6> can i use a shield and bow at the same time or no? 14:02 <@luxidream> Lets knight wear cpm like it’s nothing 14:02 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 5129 points, T:2323, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 14:02 owie 14:03 <@luxidream> Yeah 14:03 <@luxidream> Shield skill is busted too so use that 14:03 <[Demo]6> so what dsm should i wear? 14:04 <@luxidream> Don’t 14:04 <[Demo]6> oh? 14:04 <@luxidream> use banded mail 14:04 <[Demo]6> does it somehow give more AC? 14:04 <@luxidream> dsm has no armor skill bonus 14:04 <[Demo]6> im only skilled in body armor 14:04 <@luxidream> Right but banded mail is 10 AC 14:04 <@luxidream> compared to 6 for dsm 14:05 <@luxidream> Besides dyna gives you reflection shield and free mr 14:06 eh? 14:06 how 14:06 <[Demo]6> banded mail weighs 250 with the skill though 14:06 what did i miss/forget 14:06 <@Tone> Every quest arti has MR for its role, iirc 14:06 <[Demo]6> yeah 14:06 <@luxidream> And Medusa shield is 100% 14:08 <[Demo]6> is body armor weight reduction a percent or a flat subtracted value? 14:08 dynahack? really? 14:08 huh 14:09 i must have drank away the brain cells that held that info 14:12 You see here a slippery shield. 14:13 <[Demo]6> i guess its time to visit medusa then 14:14 <[Demo]6> not really sure what melee weapon to use, in a really weird spot 14:14 "Hello, hothraxxa! Welcome to Akhalataki's used armor dealership!" 14:14 it's 2x2 14:14 <[Demo]6> i have excal and fire brand but im a ranger 14:14 vcenter and ESXi upgrade - complete 14:14 finally 14:14 it was being a pain 14:14 <[Demo]6> 6.7? 14:14 he has an orcish chain mail but i can't see what other thing he has because he's standing on it 14:14 6.5 to 6.7 U1 14:15 upgrade script for vcenter kept failing because it couldnt see an ipv6 address 14:15 so i had to fake it 14:15 once i got past that, smoothsailing 14:16 <[Demo]6> ooh, a magical worm tooth 14:16 o_O 14:16 <@luxidream> g - a cursed -2 worm tooth of aggravation and fumbling 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:119 14:17 Akhalataki the lieutenant offers 104 gold pieces for your slippery shield. 14:18 <[Demo]6> quest arti giving mr for all seems like more of a stopgap than a fix to me 14:19 <@luxidream> wow is nerfed 14:19 <@luxidream> so it's basically giving you back the wishes you might have had in vanilla 14:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 4230 points, T:3828, killed by a crocodile, while helpless 14:20 <@Tone> Can the Wizard still steal it and cast touch of death at you? 14:20 <@luxidream> no 14:20 <[Demo]6> wow is nerfed? does it come recharged? 14:20 <@luxidream> QA stealing has been removed 14:20 <@Tone> Nice 14:20 <@luxidream> yeah demo this is un 14:20 <[Demo]6> i cant ever rememebr 14:20 <[Demo]6> different variants do different things 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 787 points, T:528, killed by a hobbit 14:21 <@luxidream> but yeah you don't need to wish for anything usually thanks to black market 14:22 <[Demo]6> ah yeah, whats the lvl range for that again? 14:22 <[Demo]6> god, im not gonna fight sam this game 14:22 <@luxidream> no idea, I think it's 18+ 14:22 <@luxidream> always before castle 14:22 <@luxidream> can be on medusa 14:22 K2: [backscroll] the only thing that would make me say "omg I can feel the gayness through the screen" is slex. Based only on its color palette, and nothing else. 14:23 <[Demo]6> the problem with fighting sam is it takes so much time 14:23 <[Demo]6> like irl 14:23 <@luxidream> no it doesn't 14:24 <[Demo]6> you have to sort through the loot 14:24 <[Demo]6> which takes forever 14:25 <@luxidream> yeah that's true 14:25 <[Demo]6> ugh 14:25 <[Demo]6> sam has stuff i want and cant afford 14:27 just steal it. you'll be fine 14:28 <[Demo]6> i have no reason to fight sam 14:34 aosdict lol 14:41 <@Winsalot> LarienTelsanta: is there a nasty tarp that enables aoutopickup for absoulutely all items? 14:41 <@Winsalot> or did I just press some wrong button? 14:44 LarienTelrunya: make "nasty tarp" a slex monster 14:45 <@Winsalot> tbh Im pretty sure that a monster that causes nasty trap effects already exists somewhere 14:45 aosdict: heh 14:45 @Winsalot: nasty trap 14:47 <@luxidream> autopickup all + evilstone room = ? 14:47 hahaha that would be "fun"! 14:47 <@Winsalot> = #quit 14:48 not just regular quit, but #ragequit :D (I should implement that someday) 14:48 <@Winsalot> tbh its already bad that Im picking up statues as I go 14:54 <@Winsalot> Okay. This nasty trap already helped me to acquire a cursed gray stone 14:55 <@Winsalot> Thanks Amy 14:56 yay! does it do something useful? 14:56 <@Winsalot> yeah, it makes me stressed when I wield my havy iron ball of death 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16869 14:57 <@Winsalot> Btw, droven items (dark runed) are the new hot shit? 14:59 droven and dark elven are actually different; dark elven is just a bit better than elven, but droven can be enchanted higher than elven 14:59 <@Winsalot> oh, ok 15:13 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: wiki says that Psions are "glass cannons". But I think it is wrong because they have shit damage as well as shit health. So more correct way to call them would be just "glass" 😃 15:13 :D 15:33 I have a question about Sceptre of Might... if it does x2 damage against cross-aligned monsters then does it follow that neutral players would get that bonus against lawful and chaotic foes? 15:34 <[Demo]6> yes assuming you started neutral 15:34 <[Demo]6> if you started lawful and converted neutral the artifact will be lawful 15:34 I don't think neutral characters can wield the Sceptre of Might though 15:34 <[Demo]6> but if you start neutral it gets fixed up to lawful 15:34 You can be a neutral caveman 15:34 <[Demo]6> you could already be wielding it 15:34 <[Demo]6> before you turn neutral 15:34 oh if you get it as your quest artifact of course 15:35 <[Demo]6> it will only be neutral if you start as a neutral caveman 15:35 of course, gnomes and neutral humans can be cavepeople 15:35 <[Demo]6> and its alignment affects who it gets cross aligned dmg against 15:35 There's some un-wikilike language on the sceptre of might page that slants toward opinion regarding this and it made me wonder about that. 15:35 <[Demo]6> so if you start lawful caveman, do quest, wield it, convert to neutral, it will still be lawful 15:37 would it be more accurate to call it "differently-aligned" then? Cross-aligned sounds like only opposite alignment would suffer the x2 dmg (lawful/chaotic), and neutral would be useless as nothing is strictly "cross-aligned" with neutral - if we're talking about a linear range of alignment values. 15:38 UnNetHack updated (all servers) 15:39 ^ chromatic armor now officially OP, cant wish for anything chromatic related. ever. 15:40 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 4663 points, T:5097, killed by a dwarf 15:42 bouquet: Er, Lawful and Chaotic are "cross-aligned" with Neutral - this is how the word is normally used in this context. 15:43 I'm just being a grammar pedant. 15:44 bouquet: It's not clear to me that "this word is used ungrammatically if you think it has a different meaning to the meaning it actually has in this context" is a sensible objection. 15:46 only because it mentioned that neutral cavemen would be at a disadvantage with sceptre of might. I have to assume it means due to the abundence of neutral/chaotic foes in the game leaving fewer x2 dmg targets for neutral characters. Seems like a neutral cavewoman would do well on Astral as all those angels are lawful. 15:49 "Since most monsters in the game are either neutral or chaotic, for lawful characters the Sceptre is a great weapon" so I'm not sure one needs to "assume" it means that. 15:54 :( 15:55 Aw 15:55 What Monster was it? 15:55 a gnome i think 15:55 i had plenty of stuff to deal with it, could've easily survived lol 15:56 i didn't know a wand of lightning could do 36 damage lol 15:56 figured i could survive if it shot me 15:58 <@Winsalot> Is porkman actually attempting to ascend selx? 15:58 <@Winsalot> well, good luck to his poor sould 😃 16:00 It's been done. It's even been done by people who aren't Amy. 16:00 <@Winsalot> I know 16:00 <@Winsalot> people such as Tariru 16:02 -!- Wolfechu has joined #hardfought 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4595 points, T:3265, killed by a giant bat 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 138 points, T:365, killed by a wand 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Cav Hum Fem Law), 1104 points, T:2462, poisoned by an orcish arrow 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "the greased holy lit eye of the aethiopica", on T:22164 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Wolfechu (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 152 points, T:1091, killed by a hobbit 16:29 found Dewzmint's bones, let's see what he had >:) 16:29 probably nothing 16:29 or everything but died anyways 16:29 :( 16:31 it was the one where you died in minetown by a bee :P 16:31 ty for the ammy of ESP! 16:31 Go team a! 16:33 yeah i thought i can only die if the next hit has poison 16:33 cause it was the last one i was super low 16:33 it had poison 16:33 as a monk, i can't do much with this excalibur :/ 16:33 especially since im chaotic lol 16:34 i should probs sell it or something 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:43199 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:23093 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of enchant armor", on T:43205 16:42 can somone explain whats up with door at the top which only have one # attached ? 16:42 they spawn so often 16:43 dewz: Closets. Sometimes they contain a useful item, or a trap. 16:43 then i guess im unlucky 16:43 The level generation makes closets explicitly - they're not just an emergent property of it. 16:44 dewz: Not that unlucky - usually they don't. (The ones that do have secret doors) 16:44 good to know thanks 16:48 Raisse: oh hey another one of your bones XD 16:52 anything good? I 16:52 I've been playing tourists lately so probably some magic mapping 16:53 Raisse: you had magicbane, and you were killed by a gold golem 16:53 i can't find ur dumplog from then ;-; 16:54 i got one of your strange object fruits though, i'll try to hang on to it :D 16:55 ohhh i think this is a bag of holding too? :D 16:56 object fruits ? are bone fruits saved with the original name ? 16:56 yup! 16:57 thats kinda nice 16:57 raisse's fruitname is "strange object" so i got one of those 16:57 once i found someone's bowl of Chocolate Chex too 16:57 if you ever find a "thanos cookie", my ghost says hi :D 17:01 thanos cookie lmao, i just go with durians 17:01 <@Tmasher> I can't be bothered to name my fruit, so it's just a slime mold 17:02 is there a way to grep the files on hardfought? 17:03 oh right, I remember the gold golem 17:04 i have another raisse tourist bonefile 17:06 when was the gold golem? 17:06 i can't find it through all my scouring of your dumplogs ;-; 17:15 can floating eye gaze hit me when im invis ? 17:16 my guess would be yes 17:16 wizmode testing IYF 17:17 There goes my robe 17:19 Why can't i kick with my tail >:( 17:20 Surely one can only tail-slap with a tail 17:22 -!- Antichthon` has joined #hardfought 17:25 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 17:26 -!- Antichthon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6964 17:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:44314 17:41 -!- Antichthon` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:44753 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:44864 17:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:57 -!- greqrg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07 !tell K2 pushed minor change: monsters with teleportitis may teleport out when falling into water 18:07 Will do, FIQ! 18:07 im so unlucky with djinnis today 18:08 gasp! fiqhack update 18:09 -!- dewz has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29 <@carlarc> how do i get curses in puTTY? 18:29 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/527991370435133441/unknown.png 18:29 <@carlarc> pretty sure what i mean is curses 18:35 Be playing a variant that supports it (which I'm not sure you are), set "OPTIONS=windowtype:curses". 18:37 [hdf-us] [sp] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger named stabby on an altar, on T:9002 18:39 <@carlarc> they're not 18:39 <@carlarc> laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame 18:40 <@carlarc> then how does it work on standalone slashem 18:40 <@carlarc> but not public 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] carlarc (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4 points, T:35, zapped himself with a wand 18:44 <@carlarc> screw this 18:44 <@carlarc> too annoying 18:45 !tell K2 pushed minor change: monsters can now crawl out of water 18:45 I'm on it, FIQ. 18:46 -!- Disruptor has joined #hardfought 18:47 -!- Disruptor has left #hardfought 18:48 -!- Disruptor has joined #hardfought 18:48 hi - are there any mods on? 18:49 what for? 18:50 I'm getting an error in my Slash'Em game that's locking me out - it's saying "There's an old game already in progress. Destroy old game?" 18:50 I tell it no, but it just exits the application 18:50 based on 30 seconds of research, it looks like I may need someone to do a recover operation on my game to fix it 18:51 K2 doesn't seem to be around right now 18:52 is he my best bet? or is Tangles a possibility too? 18:52 Tangles isn't a server admin 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:47532 18:52 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:53 I'll message K2 then and hope for a response or solution 18:53 thanks 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:47569 18:54 <@Tone> Tangles is actually listed as an Admin. But yes you'll want to talk to K2. 18:55 thanks - sent a message 18:59 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 19:34 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 29938 points, T:4572, killed by a termination beam 19:36 -!- Disruptor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:28454 19:51 -!- Guthix has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:56 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 20:00 <@Guthix> yum 20:17 <@Guthix> thought that was my ghost :( 20:17 <@Guthix> i wish i could customise the colour of specific monsters :P 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49988 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49989 20:22 damn he left 20:22 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-12-27 18:07 EST: pushed minor change: monsters with teleportitis may teleport out when falling into water 20:22 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-12-27 18:45 EST: pushed minor change: monsters can now crawl out of water 20:23 if anyone is here and Disruptor comes back, I recovered his game 20:23 if i'm not here... or something 20:24 any reason I'd be getting awful ping times to hardfought.org? Everywhere else is 1ms-ish. 20:24 whats your ping? 20:24 51 packets transmitted, 21 received, 58.8235% packet loss, time 799ms 20:24 both ip4 and 6 20:25 bleh 20:25 run traceroute from this - https://www.hardfought.org/server_status/network_tools/network_tool_hdf_us/ 20:25 ipv6 peering is generally awful, but clink is supposed to have it together regarding peering 20:26 i'm getting a good ping from my location 20:26 its most likely a router between you and hdf-us 20:26 and cant blame my home connection this time ;) 20:26 no hurricanes bearing down on you at the moment? 20:27 nope 20:28 its 18° F 20:28 I can't reach that page, but my traceroute suggests fault is with 2001:::::: whoever that is 20:28 huh 20:28 <[Demo]6> ipv6 lookin ass 20:28 appears to be clink. 20:29 I truncated it. 2001:428::205:171:2:47 20:31 appears to be the last router before it hops over to AWS from my place. Whevs, I'll find something else to do. This beer isn't going to drink itself! 20:31 hah 20:32 hah, and guess what the top link on /. is? 20:32 "Users Report of Nationwide CenturyLink Internet Outage" 20:35 of course 20:35 but guess what? it could be comcast now and it wont affect hdf-us ;) 20:37 It's comcastic! 20:37 bwahahah 20:37 bouquet: have you jumped on the 'hard seltzer' kick yet? 20:38 it's the gubmint trying to snoop on my l33t neth@x skillz. 20:38 its been a thing out here now for a few months 20:38 no, I haven't. 20:38 its basically soda water with a bit of flavor and a fair amount of alcohol 20:38 much less calories than beer 20:38 My current addictions are Kombucha (non alcoholic) and excessive exercise. 20:38 ah 20:39 with an occassional brew or cocktail. 20:39 i need to get back into the excessive exercise bit, but we'll see 20:39 so of course the brand my wife likes the most (Press) has something in it that gives me a wicked headache 20:40 I think my favorite sippin' beer is Silver City Ridgetop Red. 20:40 My favorite special occasion beer is Fremont Brewing Barrel Aged Dark Star Stout. 20:41 my wife is a beer snob. tons of micro breweries out here 20:41 i've always enjoyed an ice cold corona w/lime 20:41 keep your voice down! 20:41 there's high brow folks here 20:41 CORONA 20:41 with LIME 20:41 * Pinkbeast isn't sure he trusts a beer with 7 words in its name 20:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42 it's 14% alcohol and tastes like kneeded pumperknickle dough. 20:43 * Pinkbeast is quite partial to Fuller's 1845, which tastes like beer 20:43 when i was stationed in hawaii, the plac ei lived off base had a lime tree. in season, it'd have upwards of 300 limes on it. come home from training, grab a corona, walk out into the backyard pick a lime, put said lime in beer. mmmmmmm 20:43 I'm surprised a whole lime fit through the neck of the bottle 20:44 I'll be in Mexico in 24 hours. I'll pretty much only have corona and pacifico to drink for a while. 20:44 fastest way to make something happen is to tell an infantry soldier they cant do it 20:44 "fix clink's peering, soldier!" 20:44 heh 20:45 well, I had this whole evening to myself and planned on nethacking. Now I'll have to sit on irc and bug devs about their variants. 20:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 20:46 <@carlarc> is Delulder in slashem intelligent? 20:49 bouquet: Ping too bad to .eu too? 20:49 what's the hostname? 20:50 eu.hardfought.org 20:51 ah, just as bad. 20:51 Try that _other_ roguelike with Sig... er, shutting up now 20:52 I have everything local. I was just hoping to put down a cavelady ascension while I had some time to myself. 20:52 <@Tone> bouquet: Nice, I stopped by Fremont Brewing when I was in Seattle last year. They had some really good stuff. 20:58 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 21:01 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:05 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 21:14 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 21:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 379 points, T:108, killed by a giant spider 21:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 552 points, T:127, killed by a gremlin 21:18 FIQ: Tangles is a server admin, he has same level of access that I have 21:21 -!- aeoi has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:23 FIQhack updated (all servers) 21:26 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2123 points, T:311, killed by a ghoul, while paralyzed by a monster 21:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:43 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 21:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 21:44 . 21:44 AntiGulp: Messages from aosdict and Luxidream have been forwarded to you privately. 21:45 . 21:45 aww 21:45 Hello K2! 21:45 o/ 21:45 hows it goin? 21:46 Pretty good! It’s been too long since I’ve logged on. 21:47 <@Tone> Hi AntiGulp 😄 21:47 you should just stay logged in 21:47 Hi Tone! 21:47 Howdy AntiGulp 21:47 Howdy everyone 21:48 its like the wilsons but in reverse 21:48 gnite john boy 21:48 gnite gandpa 21:48 grandpa 21:48 gnite sally mae 21:48 I tried staying logged in, but my IRC boots me on and off every two minutes when my computer goes to sleep, which is obnoxious for everyone lol. 21:48 gnite everybody 21:48 get a raspberry pi, connect to home router? 21:49 AntiGulp use znc 21:49 tmux+irssi 21:49 i have a znc server could make an account 21:50 I’ll look into it! Would make my life easier definitely. 21:50 ok i gotta get to bed 21:50 gnite all 21:50 (antigulp dont be a stranger! :p) 21:50 <@Tone> nite K2 21:51 Night K2! 21:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:12 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 22:13 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 22:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 22:15 Wasn't I dead already? 22:15 <@Tone> "The little dog eats the Wizard of Yendor's corpse." 22:15 thiefwriter (Jus Elf Fem Law) killed the human mummy of Andrio, the former Ronin, on T:1458 22:15 <@Tone> 😄 22:15 Apparenly I'm ReDead now 22:15 Nice doggy 22:15 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 22:27 c'mon clink. Fix your stuff. 22:27 <@riker> https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Armor_class&diff=next&oldid=107525 22:27 <@riker> ... what? 22:28 <@carlarc> loool 22:28 -!- workimer has joined #hardfought 22:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v workimer] by ChanServ 22:28 ooooh, that makes me internet angry! 22:29 was going to undo it so it's not even in the page history, but ok 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had silver saber named Werebane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:129113 22:30 <@riker> aosdict: oh well I don't wiki good 22:30 <@riker> it's not like it really matters I guess 22:31 -!- remirol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:31 <@riker> false, it does NOT make the edit disappear 22:31 <@riker> >.> 22:32 riker> I think you are confused. 22:35 it's still grammatically correct, isn't it? 22:36 it just means something different 22:36 You're naked. Unprotected AC is 10. So for example,... 22:36 as opposed to "Your naked, unprotected AC is 10. So for example,... 22:37 [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had runed broadsword named Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:129256 22:37 Not grammatically correct because there's a comma after naked and not a period. 22:38 ah in german you can chain sentences with , 22:38 Ich bin stenno, ich mache Urlaub in Hong Kong 22:38 i guess semicolon would be better instead of comma 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had elven dagger named Sting bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:129379 22:39 Even if we did interpret it as "You're naked. Unprotected AC is 10, ..." the sentence "You're naked." doesn't make sense in that context 22:39 <@Tone> Also "You're naked." is a different context/voice than the wiki article would/should be using 22:40 not arguing about context, just about grammatical correctness 22:41 Trying to reason why that change was made in the first place lol 22:42 <@Tone> with context aside, "You're naked. Unprotected AC is 10." is fine grammatically, it's just kind of a non sequitur 22:42 right 22:42 this is why all wiki editors ought to use the durn edit summary box 22:42 <@Tone> I can see why the chance was made in the first place, if you just read the first few words then "You're naked" looks more correct than "Your naked" 22:42 @Tone that was what i was thinking too 22:43 maybe t 22:43 [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had long sword named Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:129437 22:43 maybe either the word 'naked' or 'unprotected' should be removed for clarity then? 22:43 <@Tone> Even when I just looked at the edit history, it looked correct for a second because I only looked at the edit and not the full sentence 22:44 i guess it's clear for most people, but apparently not for all 22:44 anyway, gonna grab the laundry, bbiab 22:44 <@Tone> I suppose it could use a rewording even though it seems kind of moot 22:45 <@Tone> "Fully naked, " or "With no armor" or similar would be more specific 22:45 <@Tone> See ya stenno 22:46 <@Tone> "With no armor equipped, your AC is 10. For example, [...]" 22:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Cav Hum Fem Law), 2372 points, T:2918, killed by a gnomish wizard 22:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:130315 22:52 I don't really like that section heading either 22:52 "Order of Armor class" 22:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:53 Also shirts arguably aren't body armour 22:54 not arguably, they aren't :P 22:54 it's its own slot 22:54 stenno: That's one argument. The other is that they are armour you wear on your body. 22:55 for me body armor is, well, the armor that goes into the body armor slot 22:56 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Body_armor 22:56 it's well defined in the wiki at least, not sure if that's the case in the source code too though 22:57 stenno: That's certainly how one thinks of it game mechanically. On the other hand, unless I'm mistaken, it's not actually a term NetHack presents the player with. 22:57 thats true 22:57 It's defined in the wiki as "Body armor is armor worn on the body", which is a definition which includes shirts. So I think you might be on a sticky wicket there. 22:57 * stenno greps for 'body armor' in the source ode 22:58 Pinkbeast: well as you can see in the 'body armor' article, it actually lists the body armor, which excludes t-shirts 22:58 stenno: Er, I didn't imagine it would do otherwise. However, the article does actually define it in a way that includes them. 22:58 aah fair 22:59 yeah the source calls it body armor (excludign shirts) too: 22:59 Anyway, I changed the section title on [[Armor Class]] and if someone else wants to take shirts out they can 23:00 include/prop.h, line 97 as opposed to line 103: 23:00 #define W_ARM 0x00000001L /* Body armor */ 23:00 #define W_ARMU 0x00000040L /* Undershirt */ 23:01 Pinkbeast: now there is an empty row 8 in the Body Armor AC table :D 23:02 The source's terminology is not exposed to the player and not always helpful; eg we don't say that black dragons breath death rays, even though they do breath ZT_DEATH 23:02 stenno: That was there when I started. 23:02 right, fair 23:03 this table is a bit silly anyway - why not list all the armors 23:03 like including helmets and boots 23:03 because the Armor page does already 23:03 hmm how to do that in a good way 23:04 this table seems silly at that place imo 23:04 we could just link to the armor table there maybe? 23:04 Yeah, what's the point of having a table for just body armors? 23:04 right 23:04 Just link to the main one. 23:05 and it's not even correct as it already lists non-body armor 23:05 the fact that the naked AC is 10 is already mentioned in the introduction 23:05 rephrasing, what's the point of having a table that lists some but not all armors, when a table already exists that lists all armors? 23:06 this whole sections is worthless come to think of it 23:06 i will remove the whole section :v 23:06 hooray! 23:07 Well, there should still be a link to the table somewhere on this page, ideally. 23:09 hmm right 23:09 let's see where we can put it sensibly 23:10 oh boy that whole section was only created today 23:10 * stenno braces for an edit war 23:11 hmm or was it 23:11 It was there in October 23:11 nope 23:11 yeah 23:12 it's old 23:12 it was already there in 2010 23:12 phew 23:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "the holy greased platinum yendorian express card", on T:25997 23:15 aosdict: hmm now where to put the link to the armor table? 23:16 that's the 10th bones i've found so far this game, probably a personal record. 23:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:27348 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Cav Hum Fem Law), 2241 points, T:2909, killed by a bolt of lightning