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00:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6484
00:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Ang Fem Law), 399682 points, T:32253, offed by a void dragon
00:05 <bouquet> welp. I guess void dragons are to be avoided.
00:08 <ShivanHunter> rip
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00:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2801 points, T:2015, killed by a giant beetle
00:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1182 points, T:1434, killed by an arrow
00:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 476 points, T:634, killed by a small mimic
00:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 470 points, T:772, killed by a werejackal
00:48 <ShivanHunter> slex: a glorious, daring journey of 43560 turns through a harrowing dungeon, ended by a shoe
00:55 <aosdict> a *fleecy* harrowing dungeon
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01:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3244 points, T:1462, killed by something while blind
01:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3133 points, T:2568, killed by a mugger
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02:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 732 points, T:1542, killed by a kitten
02:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 272 points, T:1183, killed by a rabbit
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02:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:9396
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03:45 <LarienTelsanta> !who
03:45 <Beholder> LarienTelsanta: [hdf-us] Antichthon [slex] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
03:55 <PavelB> !who
03:55 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] Antichthon [slex] Nobbs [nh343] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
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05:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5774 points, T:3063, choked on an ape corpse
05:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 534 points, T:839, killed by a bat
05:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2255 points, T:1478, killed by a plastic golem
05:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 356 points, T:593, killed by a hobbit
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06:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2806 points, T:2509, killed by a rabid rabbit
06:50 <Tangles> !who
06:50 <Beholder> Tangles: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] Nobbs [nh343] | [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh362] | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh]
07:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1989 points, T:2586, killed by a scramper
07:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 65 points, T:36, killed by a falling rock
07:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 562 points, T:690, killed by a gas spore's explosion
07:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 177 points, T:217, killed by a hobbit
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07:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 70 points, T:427, killed by Ms. Wonotobo, the shopkeeper
07:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 693 points, T:792, killed by a little dog
07:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Cav Hum Mal Law), 1256 points, T:1643, killed by a gnome
07:54 <LarienTelsanta> Mandevil: awwwww I just realized you added dnhslex to your scoreboard! many thanks ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ *fleece bundle!* :)
07:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 356 points, T:679, killed by a hobbit
08:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 164 points, T:365, killed by a black pudding
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08:46 <Guthix> always when things are going smoothly may I be smitten by a deadly poisoned dart lol
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10:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 26025 points, T:531, killed by a gnome lord
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10:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1384 points, T:4, quit
10:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 1552 points, T:2456, killed by an echidna, while helpless
10:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 233 points, T:379, killed by a red mold
10:23 <stenno> can i polypile for magic marker in sporkhack? 
10:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 16 points, T:81, killed by a goblin
10:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 12 points, T:68, killed by a water moccasin
10:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 92 points, T:193, killed by a rabbit
10:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 69 points, T:114, killed by a kobold
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10:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 139 points, T:401, killed by a water moccasin
10:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 175 points, T:358, killed by a jackal
10:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 230 points, T:519, killed by Ms. Aklavik, the shopkeeper
10:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 254 points, T:1004, killed by a coyote
10:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 40 points, T:21, killed by a jackal
10:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 33116 points, T:1099, killed by a Mordor orc
10:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:5393
10:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:615
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10:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Grayswandir", on T:617
10:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:620
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of protection", on T:628
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12:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3742 points, T:3196, killed by a white unicorn
12:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Pri Hum Fem Law), 4893 points, T:5717, poisoned by a quasit
12:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dro Mal Cha), 430 points, T:836, killed by a fox
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12:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 352 points, T:453, killed by a gecko
12:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] k2 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 11 points, T:260, killed by a falling object
12:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Und Dro Mal Cha), 1633 points, T:1901, poisoned by a rabid rat
12:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 97 points, T:132, killed by a rabbit
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13:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:6103
13:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9520
13:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 7800 points, T:3889, killed by a squealer
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13:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1
13:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:10070
13:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:10137
13:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled ASHPD SODALG on an altar, on T:10461
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14:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of alter reality", on T:18467
14:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 12396 points, T:8481, killed by an air elemental
14:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 225 points, T:726, killed by kicking a gnome corpse
14:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11710
14:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7519
14:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 17154 points, T:7910, killed by a pyrolisk
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15:09 <bouquet> splicehack is fun, but it's a little too wtf for me. AntiGulp, I wish you the best with your variant!
15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) were chosen to steal souls for your god's glory!, on T:26041
15:12 <aosdict> bouquet: what do you mean by that?
15:14 <bouquet> too much stuff. That's fun but also too much for my full brain to keep track of.  
15:14 <bouquet> I'm not a careful enough player to thrive in such an environment.
15:14 <K2> heh
15:15 <bouquet> which can be frustrating after 30k turns. I need to finish once in a while.
15:15 <bouquet> On the other hand, I'm an addict so I'll probably try again as a monk since #technique is in it.
15:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 44502 points, T:13681, killed by a blue jelly
15:19 <bouquet> I need to carefully refined vanilla playground where it's safe for me to do stupid shit
15:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1331 points, T:3074, quit
15:28 <rld> <@LuXmas> bouquet: just genocide L h and Q
15:28 <rld> <@LuXmas> boom, vanilla
15:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) killed Sophie, on T:20711
15:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law) killed Nightshade, Farmer Maggot's cousin, on T:20768
15:32 <bouquet> hadn't found a scroll of genocide the whole game. I was hoping to get to castle and wish some up and start the massacre but a void dragon voided my face.
15:37 <aosdict> Are void dragons genocidable?
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15:46 <K2> Slash'EM updated (all servers)
15:46 <K2> ^ adds statuscolors and MSGTYPE options
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15:50 <bug_santa> !who
15:50 <Beholder> bug_santa: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] bouquet [nh362] Menche [nh362] Tmasher [nh362] Antichthon [slex] hothraxxa [4k] | [hdf-eu] Dewzmint [nh362] spontiff [nh362] porkman [slex] jt [gh] | [hdf-au] No current players
15:51 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on  server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM updated, now includes statuscolors and MSGTYPE options (same as 3.4.3)
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15:56 <bouquet> thanks K2!
15:56 <K2> i was looking to add dungeon overview/annotate
15:57 <K2> but some of the code in slash'em is a bit too different from 3.4.3
15:57 <K2> some of the code merges didnt merge welll at all
15:57 <K2> so that'll be for another day
16:04 <jilles> K2, as an ogre in grunthack, is there any non-artifact MR source?
16:04 <K2> lemme think
16:05 <K2> i dont think so
16:05 <K2> my ogre asc, i had magicbane for my source of MR
16:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1555 points, T:1128, killed by a wererat
16:07 <K2> side note - i'm addressing that oversight in evilhack (chaotics will have some sort of chaotic artifact that will grant MR)
16:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 656 points, T:1976, killed by a rabid rat
16:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 56 points, T:83, killed by a sewer rat
16:11 <rld> <@LuXmas> bouquet: void dragons shouldn’t spawn randomly
16:11 <rld> <@LuXmas> should tell antigulp about that, they’re supposed to be the boss of the void branch
16:14 <aosdict> @luxidream They are G_NOGEN though.
16:15 <rld> <@LuXmas> bouquet: then did you walk into the void branch?
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16:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 816 points, T:764, killed by a swamp kobold
16:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) defeated Medusa, on T:27191
16:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2201 points, T:2406, killed by a rothe, while praying
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16:57 <K2> Slash'EM updated (all servers)
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16:58 <K2> ^^ adds always show BUC status (user cfg option) and dark room patch
17:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 398 points, T:1707, killed by a giant bat
17:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5257 points, T:3710, killed by a Mordor orc
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17:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 144 points, T:395, killed by an arrow
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17:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1194 points, T:1250, killed by a little dog
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17:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] k2 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 217 points, T:733, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Farrah
17:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 114 points, T:415, killed by an incubus
17:38 <stenno> oops i still have the marathon mode on
17:39 <stenno> just realized it after 1.5k turns
17:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 1213 points, T:1382, killed by a rothe
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17:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 52 points, T:18, killed by a rabbit
17:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "Blessed greased fixed +3 grey dragon scale mail", on T:5331
17:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 670 points, T:1145, killed by a jackal
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17:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Yhelothot (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 355368 points, T:46758, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-12-22%2017_54_34%2C%20Yhelothot-Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt
17:54 <eraserhead> I can't seem to get Magicbane (already Xp:11)!  Could it be already generated in a bonez pile somewhere or that's not possible?
17:55 <rld> <@riker> eraserhead: did you get another artifact instead? then it's already gen'd
17:55 <rld> <@riker> otherwise could just be really bad arti giving luck
17:56 <eraserhead> riker: haven't seen any artifacts yet 8^P
17:57 <rld> <@LuXmas> more likely a case of "unlikely things happen in nethack" then
18:00 <rld> <@mistleTone> grats lux 😄
18:00 <eraserhead> I'm playing a very odd wiz - came across mithril early so it's been a melee wiz (AC:-7, MR, REF, but no MB, Xp:11) - haven't done Soko (I should - need a BoH) - just diving for a deeper altar for now
18:01 <rld> <@LuXmas> thanks tone
18:01 <rld> <@riker> yeah  I always hate when I find like 3 altars on dlvl 1-5
18:02 <rld> <@riker> like why? I want a nice easy one just above the castle
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18:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] toneLive (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 darts on an altar, on T:4273
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18:22 <bouquet> @LuXmas the void dragon was flying around Medusa's lair.
18:23 <rld> <@LuXmas> ok you should probably tell antigulp about that
18:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 23403 points, T:9378, killed by a tiger
18:24 <bouquet> he has been messaged!
18:25 <bouquet> or maybe not, he's not on.
18:26 <bouquet> ha! someone is playing as TheRealDonaldTrump on alt.org. -> RealDonaldTrump (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 94 points, T:365, killed by a falling rock
18:26 <Guthix> ffs
18:27 <rld> <@LuXmas> antigulp is a she
18:27 <bouquet> All the best variant authors are ;)
18:27 <Guthix> i thought traps on the first floor were punctuated by corpses these days lmao
18:27 <rld> <@LuXmas> heh
18:31 <aosdict> bouquet: that's an odd statement for one who thinks splice is "too wtf". I mean, if you think that, you can't really like slex :P
18:31 <aosdict> Guthix: Magic traps don't generate corpses, because they're only _potentially_ deadly.
18:32 <aosdict> I don't agree with that; after all, a dart trap or pit is only potentially deadly too.
18:32 <Guthix> So are other traps?
18:32 <Guthix> yeah lol
18:32 <jonadab> On average, magic traps are considerably deadlier than e.g. dart traps.
18:32 <aosdict> Granted, you have to be pretty unlucky for a magic trap to kill you directly... but it can happen.
18:33 <aosdict> And yes, the real kicker effect is indirect death via blinding flash of light and monster summoning
18:33 <jonadab> In the very early game, the blind and surround effect is so close to killing you outright as makes no difference.
18:33 <Guthix> Yup lol, been having some bad luck as a tourist trying to learn tourist for my 3rd ascension :P
18:33 <Guthix> Instant death by poison is a thing too >.<
18:33 <Guthix> So much for this full moon lmao
18:34 <Guthix> Yo speaking of the blind>monster... guess what I just got lmao
18:35 <Guthix> I'm fine though :D
18:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) defeated the Dark One, on T:29371
18:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 336 points, T:837, killed by a shotgun shell
18:39 <hothraxxa> jonadab: i'm seeing an odd bug with teleportitis
18:40 <jonadab> Oh?
18:40 <hothraxxa> when it asks me if i want to be teleported, it places the cursor in some odd position usually well away from me
18:40 <hothraxxa> no pattern that i can discern
18:40 <jonadab> It's theoretically supposed to place the cursor in your last travel destination, if you are in the middle of an incomplete travel.
18:41 <jonadab> Your location otherwise, IIRC?
18:41 <jonadab> Perhaps the "if" part is going wrong somehow?
18:41 <hothraxxa> i thought as much but it seems to persist even though i'm not ravelling on that level
18:41 <hothraxxa> +t
18:41 <jonadab> Hmm, maybe it has failed to notice that your incomplete travel was on a different level?
18:41 <jonadab> That's a plausible oversight.
18:42 <hothraxxa> could be. i could be worng but i think this a new bug
18:42 <jonadab> I don't recall the details of how the code for that works, will have to find the relevant commit.
18:43 <hothraxxa> it's not a big problem once you're aware of it but sometimes i forget, hit . and wind up somewhere else
18:43 <Guthix> what's more fashionable as a tourist: my starting hawaiian shirt or a normal replacement shirt?
18:43 <hothraxxa> dude. how could you even ask?
18:43 <rld> <@LuXmas> the first thing you should do with that shirt is take it off
18:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 903 points, T:1671, killed by a little dog
18:44 <Guthix> shiny new t-shirts are all the rage, right? :D
18:45 <Guthix> something nice and sleek, to wear for The Lady
18:46 <eraserhead> There should be some way to determine if MagicBane already exists - otherwise, I may be wasting wishes...
18:46 <jonadab> Depends.  Are you going for the "beachwear" conduct?
18:46 <jonadab> Because I think a Hawaiian shirt can count as beachwear, along with a towel.
18:47 <rld> <@LuXmas> there's a beachwear conduct in fourk?
18:47 <jonadab> Not officially tracked.
18:47 <jonadab> Should there be?
18:47 <rld> <@LuXmas> I think there are a lot of conducts in fourk already
18:47 <jonadab> True.
18:48 <rld> <@LuXmas> some I don't really understand, like displacement, unless it was buffed
18:48 <jonadab> Upstream changes in NH4 make displacement somewhat more powerful than in vanilla; and further changes in FIQHack make it even more powerful, which will be relevant in 4.3.0.6
18:49 <[Demo]6> nudist conduct is beachwear
18:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 362 points, T:728, killed by a hobbit
18:49 <jonadab> Nudist conduct sort of supercedes beachwear.
18:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 730 points, T:2695, killed by a larva, while helpless
18:51 <rld> <@mistleTone> magic traps are really poorly balanced imo
18:51 <Guthix> given that NH4 exists... will vanilla ever actually reach 4.x?
18:51 <rld> <@mistleTone> That's probably a common opinion though
18:51 <Guthix> or maybe we'll just skip 4 and go to 5?
18:52 <rld> <@mistleTone> Getting blinded, deafened, and surrounded by monsters is certain death for a lot of early characters, as is stepping into a fire trap
18:52 <rld> <@mistleTone> and they can generate on dlvl 1
18:53 <rld> <@mistleTone> And pits should get corpses if solely for the fact that pets die to them very easily
18:53 <rld> <@mistleTone> Losing your pet to a pit trap in the starting room puts you at a big disadvantage right away
18:55 <rld> <@mistleTone> This happened on turn 7 during my "first 3.6.1 ascension" game, and I almost #quit but kept playing to see if I could beat it first try
18:55 <Guthix> *character runs sobbing back up the steps to go back to the pet store*
18:56 <rld> <@mistleTone> haha, that could be good material for a Dudley comic
18:59 <Guthix> how active is that comic series these days?
19:00 <rld> <@Tmasher> Not very
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:4706
19:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed tin of green dragon meat", on T:4714
19:01 <Guthix> figures i guess :P
19:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4731
19:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4748
19:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fireproof Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:4755
19:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Ice Dro Mal Cha), 484 points, T:1126, killed by Mr. Angmagssalik, the shopkeeper
19:05 <aosdict> Guthix: there were a bunch created by ShivanHunter in a TNNT series around the end of TNNT
19:10 <Guthix> orctown :D
19:10 <Guthix> :'D
19:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 16833 points, T:691, killed by a wererat
19:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 2468 points, T:2430, killed by a watchman
19:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 40475 points, T:22142, quit
19:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 12 points, T:25, killed by a sewer rat
19:21 <aosdict> normally I would ask why the quit at 22K turns but that's just a coffee break for luxidream
19:21 <Guthix> >.<
19:21 <Guthix> poison
19:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 79 points, T:156, killed by a rabbit
19:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6953
19:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 473 points, T:1605, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food
19:24 <rld> <@LuXmas> I retract my previous statement, the geckos do look different
19:25 <rld> <@LuXmas> ok back to whatever I was doing before
19:27 <Guthix> btw... what is RLdiscord?
19:27 <Guthix> I'm having trouble finding it on google
19:27 <aosdict> it's the discord server for the roguelikes subreddit
19:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 404 points, T:907, killed by Mr. Guizengeard, the shopkeeper
19:28 <Guthix> ahh, tyty
19:29 <Guthix> i might as well join that
19:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 17112 points, T:799, killed by a gas spore's explosion
19:35 <rebatela> it's annoying. why don't they use IRC? 
19:35 <rebatela> j/k
19:39 <winny> irc is too hard for the average user who isn't willing to read more than a paragraph how to use a chat service
19:41 <rebatela> i guess that's it. click here click there. and then they complain when it isn't linked up with this channel perfectly 
19:42 <rebatela> MODERATOR!!! The discord side has an insufficient ping!! 
19:42 <Guthix> do they?
19:43 <rebatela> i dunno. i'm just joking. don't listen to me 
19:43 <bouquet> I thought the original draw to discord was the voice chat for FPS players?
19:44 <Guthix> YASI: crypt of the necrodancer conduct: every action was to the beat of a tune (idk)
19:44 <bouquet> Pretty sure it's trying to be a "social media platform" somewhere between bookface and twitch.  Then they'll angle for a buyout from a big playa and buy a fancy house in the hills in LA.
19:45 <Guthix> I think discord is great personally, works amazingly for my runescape clan
19:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Ice Dro Mal Cha), 4130 points, T:2504, killed by a skeleton
19:45 <rld> <@mistleTone> Discord is more convenient for me to access on mobile than IRC is, and I also use discord for a lot of other things so it's convenient to access #hardfought from here
19:46 <rld> <@mistleTone> That's why I use it, if you wanted a point of reference
19:46 <rld> <@mistleTone> I'm also logged in on IRC right now though
19:46 <rebatela> i get that 
19:46 <rebatela> just feel that nethack and irc have a long history 
19:46 <rld> <@mistleTone> It certainly does
19:47 <rld> <@mistleTone> I've been going to #nethack on IRC for over 10 years
19:47 <rebatela> and i always see certain discord people  complaining about not being able to interact with irc nethack 
19:48 <rebatela> pointing the wrong fingers . when it's right here? 
19:48 <rld> <@mistleTone> The bot was having frequent issues where it would only send messages from discord to IRC but not from IRC to discord, so we sometimes have to bug someone to reset it
19:48 <rebatela> just my take 
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Ice Dro Mal Cha), 86 points, T:257, killed by a goblin
19:49 <rld> <@LuXmas> we are pinging the admins to reset the bridge
19:49 <rld> <@LuXmas> it doesn't have anything to do with our ability to use IRC
19:49 <Guthix> out of interest... what serviced do people mainly use for IRC?
19:49 <Guthix> services*
19:49 <rld> <@mistleTone> Anything that exposes more people to nethack is a good thing though, and there are a lot of people on discord that don't use IRC
19:50 <rld> <@mistleTone> I've been using HexChat on windows Guthix
19:50 <rld> <@mistleTone> IRC Cloud seems pretty awesome but the features I really want require a subscription fee
19:51 <rld> <@mistleTone> and I don't want them quite that badly
19:51 <Guthix> Yeah, am not sure I'd want to pay £3.50/mo just to be able to read what happened in the channel whilst i was offline
19:51 <rebatela> less attitude on alt.org 
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19:57 <rld> <@LuXmas> I'm not sure what your problem is with the discord bridge? but I think you're talking to the wrong people about it
19:59 <rld> <@mistleTone> What is the uncursed rule for tools again?  I found a cursed candle in the mines and I had thought they could only be generated uncursed
20:00 <rld> <@mistleTone> Wasn't a death drop or bones
20:00 <rld> <@LuXmas> light sources can be cursed
20:00 <rld> <@mistleTone> Okay so they are an exception
20:00 <rld> <@LuXmas> tools generated on traps on early levels also ignore this rule
20:00 <rld> <@mistleTone> I guess that makes sense -- I've found hundreds of cursed lamps 😄
20:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2878
20:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "historic holy fixed lit magic lamp named prop. of aladdin", on T:30303
20:05 <Guthix> me: goes at the nymph with my cursed tin opener so she can steal it
20:05 <Guthix> nymph: die
20:06 <Guthix> me: surprised pikachu face
20:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed historic fixed partly eaten +3 boots of speed named prop. of the flash", on T:30304
20:11 <Guthix> answer: being a wererat makes me drop my tin opener!
20:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Disruptor (Ice Dro Mal Cha), 2391 points, T:1868, killed by a dingo
20:23 <Guthix> YASI: dogs chew shoes they find on the floor
20:23 <Guthix> or like... anything that's chewable, which they can pick up
20:24 <Andrio> so, everything?
20:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 5271 points, T:4390, killed by a dagger
20:26 <Guthix> dogs can pick up everything? :O
20:26 <Guthix> *imagines a dog carrying an ice box*
20:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 1768 points, T:1419, killed by a gnome mummy
20:35 <bouquet> Guthix: irssi in tmux on a fedora vm
20:37 <bouquet> if you have a linux box that stays on pretty persistently you can run irssi in tmux and log everything or notify on certain strings.
20:38 <Guthix> cool :) we use fedora in the cs department at my university lol
20:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 165 points, T:385, killed by a jackal
20:39 <bouquet> it's the distro you can wear like a hat!
20:39 <Andrio> Ours are more old (Red)hat
20:41 <Guthix> i know someone who works at redhat :P
20:42 <PavelB> You mean IBM now 
20:42 <PavelB> :(
20:42 <Andrio> :o
20:42 <Guthix> yep!
20:42 * PavelB is still salty about that
20:42 <bouquet> My friend's girlfriend is Rob Young's cousin!
20:42 <bouquet> FWIW
20:42 <bouquet> maybe 2nd cousin, actually.
20:42 <Guthix> rob young?
20:43 <bouquet> I think he founded redhat?
20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed historic empty greased fixed +3 helm of brilliance named i is a wizzard", on T:30736
20:43 <Guthix> ah, i see
20:43 <bouquet> the googles says "Bob" Young apparently. 3 degrees of separate from the mighty Hat.
20:44 <bouquet> PavelB: imagine how salty you'd be if Oracle bought them.
20:44 <PavelB> True, true
20:44 <bouquet> or MS!
20:44 <Guthix> http://explosm.net/comics/2977/ i feel this is a relevant comic
20:44 <PavelB> Actually I'd prefer MS to IBM
20:44 <Pinkbeast> I did wonder if Snorcle were going to buy Red Hat
20:45 <PavelB> MS has been pretty not-terrible these past 4 or 5 years
20:45 <Guthix> So something i don't get about oracle: when you update java, you see the "3 Billion Devices Use Java" thing
20:45 <Guthix> But like... it's been saying that for about a decade now?
20:45 <Guthix> nothing's had java added to it since?
20:46 <bouquet> they only count by billions.
20:46 <bouquet> Maybe it's at 3,999,999,993.
20:46 <bouquet> they're just waiting for 7 more devices.
20:46 <bouquet> any day now
20:46 <PavelB> Hmmmm, I have two degrees of seperation from the guy that made Tetris (my dad knows him) and three derees of seperation from Russia's minister of defence (my mom's friend's cousin)
20:46 <PavelB> Kinda wish 
20:46 <PavelB> I knew someone famous
20:46 <Guthix> if i were a marketing guy, i'd make everything round up to sound better
20:47 <Guthix> like everything does in shops and stuff :P
20:47 <aosdict> "Java: Billions and Billions Served"?
20:47 <PavelB> I do have an Erdős number of 3, technically
20:47 <bouquet> As bad for your health as a McBurger
20:48 <Guthix> I think my Bacon index is 3
20:49 <Pinkbeast> When I was a tiny this game was called "Shake hands with the Pope"
20:49 <bouquet> mine is 2. Some of my family work in film and were present for the underground worm movie name I forget
20:49 <bouquet> Tremors?
20:50 <Guthix> my mother has met angelina jolie (i think in pinewood), so that makes me a 3
20:50 <Pinkbeast> Guthix: Uh, but not been in a film with her...
20:50 <Guthix> true.
20:50 <Guthix> Though I haven't been in a film with my mum XD
20:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2570 points, T:6570, killed by an air elemental of Thoth
20:50 <Pinkbeast> I mean, most people don't _have_ Bacon or Erdos numbers. One advantage of "shake hands with the Pope" is everyone's got a number.
20:51 <Andrio> That name still highlights me...
20:51 <rld> <@LuXmas> you have to be published to have an Erdos number?
20:51 <rld> <@LuXmas> not sure how this works
20:51 <Pinkbeast> Lux: If you have published a paper with Erdos, your Erdos number is 1. (Unless you are Erdos, in which case it is zero).
20:51 <PavelB> Your name needs to be on the same paper as someone else with an Erdos number
20:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 1982 points, T:1382, killed by a gnome warrior
20:52 <Pinkbeast> Otherwise, your Erdos number is n+1 where n is the lowest Erdos number of anyone you have published a paper with.
20:52 <bouquet> I've published! Is there an online calculator that compares our paper authors against the Erdos number?
20:52 <Guthix> would be cool to see the maximum Erdos number
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20:52 <Guthix> We could call it the Erdos field depth
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20:52 <PavelB> I have mine on a paper from like two years ago along with around 20 interns and a professor who did 95% of the work for the paper
20:52 <PavelB> (Who's erdos number is 2)
20:53 <PavelB> But *technically*
20:53 <Pinkbeast> bouquet: https://oakland.edu/enp/compute/ suggests no, just an incomplete corpus of data
20:53 <Pinkbeast> PavelB: No technically, that makes you a 3
20:53 <PavelB> Yeah I said 3
20:53 <rld> <@LuXmas> heh, that'll have to wait then
20:54 <Pinkbeast> PavelB: Yes, all I'm saying is not "technically", I think that makes you absolutely legitimately a 3
20:54 <bouquet> if anything, I'm probably at 10+ at best. My publications are in chemistry journals so not a lot of crossover with mathematics.
20:55 <Pinkbeast> I score 4 on Pope: me->mother->Lady Jeffries->Phil the Greek->Pope
20:55 <PavelB> The paper itself was super fucking weird involving the surreal numbers, density, and graph theory
20:55 <aosdict> this would be an interesting graph to analyze
20:55 <Pinkbeast> PavelB: I didn't realise you were a mathematician!
20:55 <aosdict> Pinkbeast: Is it *any* pope, or Pope Francis specifically?
20:55 <PavelB> Pinkbeast: I'm not. This was an internship.
20:55 <Pinkbeast> *Jeffreys, damn
20:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a water demon
20:55 <Pinkbeast> PavelB: Oooh, lucky escape
20:56 <PavelB> I'm going to complete a math minor though
20:56 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Any Pope, I think - mine must be John Paul II
20:57 <Pinkbeast> Fortunately we're not in the bit of history where you have to argue over whether X was a Pope :-)
20:58 <Guthix> I wonder what the main attraction of nethack is when new players join in
20:58 <Guthix> Like, what gets them into it :P
20:59 <Guthix> for me I guess there's a lot of things that really pull me in
20:59 <Pinkbeast> Guthix: Probably not silly discussions about Popes. Er. I'd discovered red-box D&D about 2 years before Hack 1.0.3 and being a teenage boy at the time, the bashing monsters and taking their stuff seemed like the best bit of D&D anyway.
21:00 <Pinkbeast> These days I guess the fearsome reputation doesn't hurt
21:00 <rld> <@LuXmas> I thought it was a game about hacking and computers
21:00 <aosdict> The attractions aren't as big a deal as the *hurdles* you have to clear to get into the game.
21:00 <PavelB> Guthix: For me it's just the fact that it's so easy to start up
21:00 <rld> <@LuXmas> I got to the title screen, saw the classes
21:00 <PavelB> My computer doesn't have a lot of resources so I can't keep steam open all the time
21:00 <rld> <@LuXmas> figured I got this far, might as well play it anyway
21:00 <aosdict> @luxmas and now you're one of the top players in the world
21:01 <Pinkbeast> Lux: Eh, "wizard" could be a UNIX wizard...
21:01 <Guthix> Pinkbeast: I've always wanted to play a properly-run game of D&D... sounds like it'd be loads of fun
21:01 <PavelB> But jumping into a game of nethack is super quick and simple, and I can just keep it open in a terminal tab
21:01 <Guthix> PavelB: yeah, it's amazingly good for jumping in
21:01 <PavelB> It's like why people play mobile games except I don't play actual mobile games
21:01 <aosdict> PavelB: "super quick and simple" does NOT apply to new players though.
21:01 <aosdict> oh, you have to learn to navigate with yuhjklbn...
21:01 <Guthix> number pad :D
21:02 <Pinkbeast> Sinful as it is, don't they mostly start with number_pad
21:02 <PavelB> Oh the reason I started is basically I felt I wasn't enough of a nerd and needed to fix that
21:02 <rld> <@LuXmas> heh, I do need to buy cogmind though. the real hacking roguelike
21:02 <aosdict> I watched someone playing nethack over their shoulder, and thought it was interesting.
21:02 <Pinkbeast> Guthix: Even today (errr bear in mind I'm still stuck in 3.5ed) I think D&D has its strengths - particularly as a mix between a roleplaying game and a tactical skirmish wargame
21:02 <PavelB> Pinkbeast: I for one didn't have a numpad
21:02 <rld> <@LuXmas> also that's completely your opinion, pinkbeast, I use number pad
21:02 <Guthix> Pinkbeast:why would number_pad be sinful?
21:03 <Guthix> i like all the extra stuff you can do with the keys freed up by it
21:03 <Pinkbeast> Lux: That would seem not to contradict the serious bit of what I said, that I think people mostly don't start by getting to grips with hjklyubn
21:04 <rld> <@LuXmas> some people say that unironically 😉
21:04 <aosdict> some of us are on laptops that don't have number pads
21:04 <Pinkbeast> I hoped the obviously hyperbolic use of "sinful" would... eh, well
21:04 <PavelB> My dad got into nethack because he was the only one who knew how to write C for the soviet mainframe his university had and was asked to help port it
21:04 <aosdict> I have had people unironically tell me to buy an external USB number pad.
21:04 <aosdict> (people on freenode in nethack channels)
21:04 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: That is the path to righteousness
21:05 <Pinkbeast> ... no! wrong way round. Curses.
21:05 <Guthix> Curses is amazing :D
21:05 <Guthix> I can't go back after using it, having the messages displayed permanently is too nice
21:05 <aosdict> meh I'll stick with tty
21:05 <Pinkbeast> Curses is a weird misnomer but it might be too late now. I tried it in junethack, but it seemed to mangle messages periodically.
21:06 <PavelB> Speaking of curses
21:06 <PavelB> Any news about a MSGTYP fix aosdict 
21:06 <aosdict> PavelB: yeah I fixed it, but I don't think I pushed it
21:07 <aosdict> K2: pushed xnh updates
21:07 <aosdict> including a looooong commit message...
21:07 <PavelB> yay
21:07 <aosdict> I see why ais said the devteam often use commit messages to communicate with each other.
21:08 <PavelB> Why does it take 10 seconds to send "yay" and less than 1 second to load a 1920x1200 png on a webpage dafuq is my internet
21:08 <Guthix> download speed: 2038423847mb/s
21:09 <Guthix> upload speed: 1b/yr
21:09 <rld> <@LuXmas> incidentally aosdict, did you ever send that reply to PatR
21:09 <aosdict> no
21:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 590 points, T:858, killed by Mr. Gaziantep, the shopkeeper
21:10 <aosdict> having addressed the green slime stuff, there's some stuff I want to say about the perception of the variant community, but it doesn't feel diplomatic enough
21:10 <Pinkbeast> I did wonder a few years back if one of the variants was going to become de facto "nethack"
21:10 <aosdict> basically I would like to point out structural and communicational issues I think the devteam has without making anyone mad
21:11 <PavelB> I can stream video but not pull aosdict's xnh commits just now. kek.
21:11 <aosdict> Pinkbeast: I seem to have claimed the mantle of "vanilla but better" in the eyes of some people...
21:12 <rld> <@LuXmas> taking up that NH4 banner?
21:14 <Guthix> vanilla feels the most solid of all the different ones I've tried... does anyone have recommendations?
21:14 <Guthix> vanilla has good controls and flow IMO
21:14 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Ideally you'd like TDT to push out an unplayably hard NetHack 4.1alpha
21:14 <rld> <@LuXmas> Guthix: I think some variants will surprise you then
21:14 <aosdict> @luxidream nethack4 is reticent about fixing some frustration issues because it explicitly tries to preserve vanilla gameplay.
21:15 <Guthix> I'll have to try 4
21:15 <Guthix> Also haven't tried xnh, or un nh
21:15 <Pinkbeast> Guthix: Spork :-)
21:15 <aosdict> I'm not particularly concerned with preserving vanilla gameplay if it makes the game annoying.
21:15 <Guthix> I've only really tried SLASH'EM variants i think :p
21:15 <aosdict> Pinkbeast: No, ideally, TDT would incorporate more of my stuff into vanilla a la wizard patch
21:15 <rld> <@LuXmas> SLASH'EM doesn't add much in the way of QoL
21:16 <Guthix> That said, i do like the feature of using things on the floor with ,
21:16 <Guthix> and the recoloured tile with writing on it
21:16 <aosdict> Pinkbeast: but, you know, it's a no-sell for the devteam on even small stuff
21:17 <Guthix> SLEX looks like some sort of fun too but there are so many colours everywhere ~_~
21:17 <rld> <@LuXmas> aosdict: how much of the game is annoying is really dependent on player perspective
21:17 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: I do think it's a bit unfortunate nethack.org doesn't even mention any variants or online play... unless it does and I'm just blind
21:17 <rld> <@LuXmas> some people really feel that it's necessary to altar camp for grayswandir
21:17 <aosdict> Pinkbeast: Never seen any references to it on there myself, so probably not blind.
21:18 <PavelB> @LuXmas I don't think anyone has ever walked into lava and went "yep, my bad."
21:18 <aosdict> @luxmas yeah, but "frustration issues" is a term I reserve for stuff that's universally frustrating.
21:18 <Guthix> was just about to say that PavelB :P
21:18 <Pinkbeast> Guthix: I think you have to be a particular kind of person to enjoy SLEX.
21:19 <Guthix> Pinkbeast: if I had a literally infinite amount of time I reckon I could get into it
21:19 <aosdict> But yes, there are players and devteam members who think the player should be able to accidentally hit enter and run full tilt into lava
21:19 <Guthix> But alas ;-;
21:19 <rld> <@LuXmas> I think something like mazes is pretty subjective. I had a strong opinion about it until I started using resources to map maze levels, after which I completed maze levels more quickly than open gehennom levels.
21:20 <aosdict> Yes, but you still don't actually LIKE the maze levels.
21:21 <Guthix> I liked the mazes in Gehennom tbh
21:21 <Pinkbeast> I try and avoid exploring mazes manually but it is a bit odd to have a bit of the game you do your best to avoid not because it's perilous but because it's dull
21:21 <Guthix> As a Wizard especially because magic mapping is amazing
21:21 <rld> <@LuXmas> I don't think it's good design, but they are considerably easier when it comes to combat and navigation provided the player has mapping resources.
21:22 <PavelB> aosdict: Any plans to do the autoexplore thing
21:22 <aosdict> no
21:22 <aosdict> you can psuedo-autoexplore via _x if you really want to
21:22 <rld> <@LuXmas> what does _x do?
21:23 <aosdict> _ is travel, of course, and x makes it select a nearby unexplored space
21:23 <aosdict> it is a vanilla feature, not for autoexplore purposes but for blind players
21:23 <Andrio> I'm not blind and I use it a fair bit, though
21:24 <Andrio> sometimes when blind in-game
21:24 <Pinkbeast> Checking you've seen all the level is most of the benefit anyway, especially if you don't have over-large levels and do have non-ideal indication of where there's unseen space
21:25 <rld> <@LuXmas> I'm more interested in autoexplore for its speed and convenience
21:29 <rld> <@LuXmas> I am curious about what challenges blind players face, though. I don't think there's been an ascension by a blind player?
21:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 2995 points, T:2609, killed by a pony
21:30 <Pinkbeast> Lux: I'm pretty sure I've seen blind YAFAPs on rgrn.
21:30 <Guthix> I'm interested in how blind players play
21:30 <Guthix> What do they use?
21:30 <aosdict> screen readers
21:31 <Pinkbeast> Also Braille line-readers
21:31 <Pinkbeast> Some roguelikes (eg DoomRL) have keystrokes to tell you everything in LOS, messages to tell you when a monster comes into view, etc
21:32 <rld> <@LuXmas> I feel like it wouldn't be too different thanks to the travel command
21:32 <aosdict> Pinkbeast: 3.6.1 at least has what you're talking about.
21:33 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Glad to hear it.
21:33 <Guthix> i'm off to bed now, catch ya later :D
21:33 <aosdict> The / command can list [nearby/all on map] [monsters/objects]
21:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 2208 points, T:1999, killed by Mr. Beddgelert, the shopkeeper
21:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 294 points, T:450, killed by a dagger
22:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 753 points, T:2576, killed by a small mimic
22:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 888 points, T:1101, killed by a poisonous cloak
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22:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Super Lotsa Edible XornsHack (Luxidream) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 815478 points, T:45293, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-12-22%2022_50_23%2C%20Super%20Lotsa%20Edible%20XornsHack-Kni-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt
22:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 10999 points, T:4281, killed by a large cat
22:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 130 points, T:490, killed by a giant rat
22:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 152 points, T:230, killed by a gas spore's explosion
22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2697
23:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Ice Gno Fem Neu), 795 points, T:1224, killed by a giant rat
23:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:100678
23:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 898 points, T:1164, killed by a kitten
23:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 364 points, T:308, killed by an incubus
23:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a red dragon, on T:100838
23:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6182
23:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2817 points, T:1693, poisoned by a rotted gnome lord corpse
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23:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:23075
23:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7948
23:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9067 points, T:7963, killed by a black unicorn
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23:50 <eraserhead> interesting - as an orc, it appears that eating a hill orc isn't considered cannibalism...
23:54 <Andrio> Orcs don't get cannibalism penalties I think
23:56 <eraserhead> Andrio: oh, I didn't know that - I've only read that Cavemen are exempt from cannibalism
23:57 <Andrio> mm