00:00 There are some ways to do creepy... 00:00 ddlc wasn't scary 00:00 Yes it was. 00:00 it was just depressing as shit, is all 00:00 that too. 00:03 xnethack has a rare room lined with statues of the player. They're not traps, and they have no contents. They're just there. 00:04 spinning off of one of ais523's ideas (reach the astral plane with atheist conduct intact) there was another one: no monsters spawn on the Astral Plane. No Riders. No high priests. Nothing. 00:05 Not sure that makes sense. 00:05 but it IS creepy af 00:05 mm 00:06 Well, since you've been athiest, it isn't the actual end of the game in that scenario. 00:06 atheist 00:08 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Ang Fem Law) had Gungnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:4554 00:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Cephalos (Sam Swn Fem Law), 805 points, T:1149, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 00:18 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law), 2642 points, T:499, quit 00:22 nooodle: I had that same experience in splicehack recently. 00:22 the monsters just standing around. 00:23 have observed the same in xnethack I think 00:23 and xnh hasn't pulled vanilla in a while 00:23 who on the devteam can we yell at 00:24 apparently the devteam doesn't like #hardfought / the entire variant community, as broken to us by ais earlier 00:26 :O 00:31 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 00:32 <@Luxcalibur> well, he did say that this wasn't the majority opinion, but there are definitely devteam members who don't like us 00:32 hold on 00:33 what did he say 00:34 I can snip the relevant irc conversation later perhaps 00:35 That would be great 00:35 <@Luxcalibur> PavelB: it's logged on discord side if you have one 00:35 Oh yeah good idea 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1255096 points, T:13721, killed by a black pudding, while reading a book 00:38 <@Luxcalibur> PavelB: <@ais523> @Luxcalibur: note that this isn't the opinion of the entire devteam, or even most of us 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Arc Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5432 00:43 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law), 4255 points, T:1340, killed by a lucern hammer 00:44 <@Pavel> I guess what I want to know is How was the decision made to do the green slime change 00:44 <@Pavel> Was that just one DT member putting it in without consulting anyone? 00:44 <@Pavel> Was there a discussion about it? 00:45 <@Luxcalibur> <@ais523> well over half is commit messages, we mostly communicate with each other /via/ commit messages as far as I can tell 00:45 <@Luxcalibur> a little further in backscroll 00:46 <@Pavel> Given it's the 21st century and the code is stored on GitHub now, it'd be nice if the DT communicated their planned changes to us before making them 00:46 <@Pavel> It seems like the DT think they know what the playerbase wants better than the players do 00:46 <@Pavel> Or some of it, at least 00:47 <@Luxcalibur> Luxcalibur: "You're mostly drawing opinions from a pool of users who decided to make their own variant in order to change the way nethack works, or who follow those variants hoping to see this feature or that. " [9:25 PM] Luxcalibur: It's hardly surprising that new revisions sometimes become additional examples of things they'd like to see done differently." 00:47 <@Luxcalibur> Clearly this devteam member could not care less about players who have differing opinions from the devteam who develop variants or follow developing variants 00:48 <@Luxcalibur> anyway I need to go to bed, have fun reading that because it made me a little angry 00:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:37697 01:01 -!- Antichthon has joined #hardfought 01:10 -!- eraserhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:31 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:33 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:37 -!- Lymia has quit [Quit: Hugs~ <3] 01:39 -!- Lymia has joined #hardfought 01:54 fridge logic related to a recent NHQDB: blessing a magic lamp must actually make it really uncomfortable for the djinn, since it makes them so eager to get out 01:55 like "thanks mate, you wouldn't believe how cramped and stuffy it was getting in there" "Yeah... wouldn't know anything about that..." 01:55 well, they *are* demons... 01:55 and you gave them a rinsing of holy water 01:55 now all the walls of their cage radiate holiness 01:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:58 they're not M2_DEMON though 02:03 Pinkbeast: play slex! *bundlebundlebundle* (although I wonder why the king of yellow has something to do with it?) 02:07 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law), 28064 points, T:4892, killed by a monster (Brightar) 02:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Lugh, on T:38536 02:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:39185 02:58 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:42706 03:32 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 03:41 lol, I couldn't read a spellbook because I was blind, then it turned out to be a spellbook of cure blindness 03:46 aosdict: I don't think you can draw the lines so clearly. this is not an us vs them. especially as most of the active devteam members are now on irc. and it's also not just the old guard. nhmall and brh are active and on irc. 03:47 And then there are the masochist djinn who come out and attack you anyway. 03:49 that's an oddly fitting image if I take that as an argument for the devteam discussion 03:56 mm 04:04 argh missed with the wand called zap 04:04 and I'd stepped off my Elbereth to zap it 04:04 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law), 46617 points, T:5090, killed by a monster (lecturer), while sleeping off a magical draught 04:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:52 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Jed Clk Fem Law), 14713 points, T:1848, killed by a magic missile 04:59 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:01 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:29 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:3647 07:42 Does anyone know what Yorshka's spear does? It's not in the wiki. 07:43 [Demo]6: ^ :) 07:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4656 07:45 Also any general advice on mid-late game weapon choice for an inc-pirate would be appreaciated (: 08:00 GOOD MORNING 08:00 ^ hahah no 08:00 lol 08:00 GOOD AFTERNOON 08:00 just 'morning' will suffice :P 08:00 literally on the stroke of midnight here. 08:00 lol raisse 08:00 2pm here 08:01 i love it that there's people from all over the globe here 08:02 hmm you know what we need? a global timezone. if its 2pm here, its 2pm there also. everywhere 08:02 I'd get cognitive dissonance if the clock said it was 2pm and outside it was dawn or the middle or the night or anything 08:02 If only something like that existed. Some sort of time coordinate, that was universal./ 08:03 abbreviated as U... T.... C? 08:03 folks that live above 75° latitude (or below in tangles neck of the woods) are already used to that ;) 08:03 raisse yes exactly. everyone should just be on UTC and be done with it 08:03 I like my latitude 08:03 and no more DST 08:03 I can agree with *that* at least 08:04 lol Tangles_ 08:04 'if only something like that existed...' 08:04 there's been a European poll but most people in NL seem to want eternal summer time, which is even *more* off "natural" time than eternal winter time 08:04 probably they think that it will always be summer if they have that 08:04 what i mean is, all the other timezones need to go away 08:04 timezones are fun though 08:04 prob wont happen until we start colonizing other planets 08:06 heh 08:07 There's always constant bickering in Australia about DST as well. Various arguments for and against. Of course this is all set at the state level (fortunately we don't have 50 states here). 08:08 there's a couple states here that dont recognize DST 08:08 hawaii, indiana 08:08 one or two more i think 08:13 But yeah NSW/ACT/Vic have it, Queensland doesn't. I think it's better now than it was a few years ago. Tasmania used to observe it, but would start a couple of weeks later than everyone else... SA didn't, but they are 30 minutes behind the east coast anyway... and of course there's that small region in NSW around Broken Hill that are in the SA timezone, but observed DST with NSW. NT and WA do their 08:13 own thing, of course, but almost nobody lives there anyway. 08:14 I know we're currently 3hrs ahead of Perth, because I was just watching the Test a few days ago. 08:14 I don't know if that changes throught the year. 08:15 ah, the Test. what was the Result? 08:15 fun fact - windows 10 allows for 3 different clocks on the taskbar (hover over local time clock). sydney au is one of my 3 :P 08:15 I have New York time on my phone for the same reason :) 08:16 hah \o/ 08:16 <--- local / UTC / syndey 08:17 That should be an armadillo. 08:19 ^^ nice 08:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:25 Muad: Australia won. Squaring the series 1-1 for the Boxing Day test in Melbourne. 08:50 NetHack 362-hdf updated (all servers) 08:50 ^ addresses monsters spawning asleep issue 08:51 !tell spontiff 362-hdf is updated, fixes monsters spawning alseep bit 08:51 I'm on it, K2. 08:52 asleep 08:52 gdammit 08:52 <@Luxcalibur> that was a fun bug while it lasted 08:52 heh 09:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 891 points, T:2687, killed by a magic missile 09:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 18201 points, T:8600, killed by a bolt of lightning 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Val Hum Fem Law), 34908 points, T:10789, killed by a fire ant 09:28 bhaak: I don't see it as an us vs them thing, I was paraphrasing ais523 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 259 points, T:1059, killed by a giant rat 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43730 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3272 09:51 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3352 09:51 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 10:00 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 2193 points, T:4038, killed by a succubus 10:03 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:03 aww, no more sleepy monsters? That was a cool bug. 10:07 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 10:07 bouquet: What commit is the fix? 10:08 reading backscroll with coffee... K2 said he updated 362-hdf. 10:10 also fixed my ipv6 routing. We can all rest easy now. 10:16 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1999 10:17 bouquet whew thank goodness 10:17 :P 10:19 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 2071 points, T:2308, killed by a psionic bolt 10:19 <@Luxcalibur> what does reading backscroll without coffee look like? 10:22 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 214 points, T:276, dispatched by a goblin 10:22 hang on, I have a picture of that... 10:23 https://i.imgur.com/eO275DD.png 10:26 lol 10:31 bouquet: yeah he updated 362-hdf but why does that necessarily fix the sleepy monsters? I don't see any recent commits addressing it 10:33 <[Demo]6> Tangles, yorshka's spear is supposed to not be randomly generated but it is in 3.16.0 and it is an artifact related to the new partially implemented hfd noble content, not sure what lore it comes from, Chris would know 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:44595 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44596 10:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:52 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha), 391 points, T:1258, slain by a jackal 10:56 slain! 10:56 how is that different from "killed"? or is it just like "smite" being barbarian for "hit"? 10:59 <[Demo]6> slice has random death msgs noiw 10:59 <[Demo]6> for death by a killed 11:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:05 aosdict its this commit - https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/c8defa67df4cf6dde2d74dc3675cef22b2bcbabb 11:05 'revert to prior behavior' is a bit misleading 11:08 totally unrelated nethack thing - if you use google chrome for web browsing, latest version (71) pretty much kills being able to use flash for anything 11:08 official adobe flash end of life is dec 31st 2020 but google wants it dead now it seems 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3006 11:13 -!- nhmall has joined #hardfought 11:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v nhmall] by ChanServ 11:13 hi nhmall 11:13 hi 11:13 Hello nhmall, Welcome to #hardfought 11:14 ah Beholder likes you... he's usually skittish of ppl he doesnt know 11:14 o/ 11:14 heh 11:14 !who 11:14 k2: i'll continue to try to finish that grunt game unless you say i shouldn't 11:14 PavelB: [hdf-us] dgoddard [nh362] Bartlem [nh362] oh6 [nh362] hypnotist [nh362] NeroOneTrueKing [fh] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:15 hothraxxa yeah maybe give it another go. i'll talk to Tangles about it again when he has time, see if we cant whip up a fix 11:16 i need to ask him about a thing in sporkhack too 11:16 I figured I'd whip in to briefly explain the sleeping monsters fix from several days back? 11:16 nhmall yeah 11:16 i just updated 362-hdf again a couple hrs ago 11:16 caught the sleeping monsters fix 11:17 good stuff 11:17 spontiff: Message from K2 at 2018-12-19 08:51 EST: 362-hdf is updated, fixes monsters spawning alseep bit 11:17 the bug was my fault. I was fixing another reported bug where groups of monsters weren't asleep, but should have been. populating a zoo. 11:17 oh right, i remember reading about the zoo monsters bit 11:17 I noticed that this ancient piece of code was prefixed with /* put a sleeping monster inside */ 11:18 so, once it became possible to pass that flag, I figured I'd honor the original intent as commented. 11:18 good deal 11:18 So the fact that those monsters weren't asleep has been a bug all these years, but now expected 11:19 So, I'll remove that /* put a sleeping monster inside */ comment so that it doesn't conflict with the code. 11:19 i noticed today that a few of the recent commits are addressing long standing bugs 11:20 that's it 11:20 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:20 ok 11:21 nhmall: I resolved that problem by introducing a MM_NOGRP flag and just suppressing group generation within a zoo. 11:22 which problem? 11:22 oh boy my 3.4k lumen flashlight came 11:22 can't wait to get home 11:22 I don't have issues with group generation, but the sleep should carry through to the group, which it now does 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a red dragon, on T:4100 11:24 [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) genocided class 'm', on T:19646 11:25 that's still in place for the zoo; it was my extension of the MM_ASLEEP flag to an unrelated piece of code (that hardfought corrected today) that was the cause, and arguably correct behavior that was broken all these years, but now not what people expect, so it was reverted. The zoo should be fine. 11:26 aha! I was wondering the asleep thing might not have been intentional 11:26 er, might have been, rather 11:27 the brief free ride is over ;) 11:27 'the ambien fix' 11:27 regarding zoos, aha, was wondering why monsters in zoos seemed to be awake for no reason I could figure out 11:28 nhmall: well, the "problem" was that you could get a large group of awake hill orcs in a zoo or something, but the root causes are independent 11:28 oh6 you should give sporkhack a spin. the second you hit a monster it wakes up all the monsters around it 2-3 steps away. makes zoos interesting 11:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:609 11:29 I like diversity in zoos, so an early hill orc group shouldn't dominate a zoo anyway, IMO, so that's why I just stopped group generation 11:29 i think zoos are inhumane and should be banned 11:29 or just play a non-human and not worry about it 11:30 elves could give a shit really 11:30 (I think I then went on to use that makemon flag in create_critters, so groups are suppressed there. you can't reach into a bag of tricks and pull out 11 hill orcs) 11:31 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of flight", on T:614 11:32 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 hex dragon scale mail", on T:621 11:35 k2: recovery required please 11:35 k 11:35 done 11:35 ty 11:36 that was pretty fast 11:36 already had terminal open 11:36 i'm at medusa 11:36 <[Demo]6> whyd it crash? 11:37 don't know. every few levels, when i arrive at the top of the stairs, the first move causes a crash 11:38 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +2 magicbane", on T:641 11:38 <[Demo]6> weird 11:38 its grunthack-specific code 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:16086 11:38 aosdict: it sounds like you got rid of the hill orcs altogether in yours; my addition of the flag made sure they were asleep 11:38 there's a bloody archon here 11:38 we have the backtrace on it, just havent addressed it yet 11:39 <[Demo]6> where's the crash? 11:39 <[Demo]6> monster turn stuff? 11:39 termbin link i didnt save 11:39 <[Demo]6> of hack.c stuff? 11:39 could make another 11:39 <[Demo]6> or 11:39 one sec Demo 11:39 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:643 11:40 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:646 11:41 http://termbin.com/4esf 11:41 aosdict: I stuck with a bare bones bug fix at this point in 3.6.x life cycle, that's all 11:42 nhmall: by "groups are suppressed" I meant more monsters beyond the first one, it's still possible to get one hill orc or soldier ant 11:42 anyway, just describing my approach 11:42 aosdict: sure, same here 11:43 <[Demo]6> oh nice 11:44 <[Demo]6> mtmp->mtarget is probably null? 11:44 I fell like i am watching 'Over The Top' but with programmers instead of arm wrestlers 11:44 who wants to be sylvester stalone? 11:44 *stallone 11:45 Demo I dont know 11:45 hm, peaceful invisible giant eel in the castle moat 11:46 YANI santa clause 11:46 -!- nhmall has left #hardfought 11:46 he'll kill you faster than the wizard 11:46 YANI replace potion with vape 11:46 hah 11:47 *The dwarf lord vapes a milky ejuice, the dwarf lord rises through the ceiling 11:48 <[Demo]6> ndnh has vaping! 11:48 <[Demo]6> it does potion breathe effects 11:48 <[Demo]6> depending on what potion you refill it with 11:48 :D 11:49 <[Demo]6> and all gnomes start with one 11:49 unrelated - i think i need to rename my fruit 11:49 dead baby is funny and all, but gets old after a year 11:50 dead toddler 11:50 dragons vape attack you 11:50 maybe phallic object 11:50 zucchini? 11:51 cucumber 11:51 oh no i meant i could call it literally 'phallic object' 11:51 ah 11:51 lol 11:51 oh i know 11:51 weed edible 11:51 keeping with the times 11:52 YASI: quaffing a potion of acid. it's not the type of acid you're expecting... 11:52 ^ aosdict look i used YASI proper 11:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:59 [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "3 blessed potions of wonder", on T:21568 12:09 wooo 3 nurses in this zoo. went from 73 hp to 134 12:12 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed historic unlit magic marker named lynn johnston", on T:51711 12:17 <[Demo]6> that's nearly a double down 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:19322 12:28 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:39 EPI: 2% of the time, a nurse will "call the doctor", summoning a high-level healer mplayer monster. 12:39 rofl 12:39 that's brilliant 12:40 'the doctor is ready to see you now...' 12:43 the Channard Cenobite 12:43 from hellraiser 2 12:43 omg imagine running into THAT 12:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:20813 12:47 There could also be a percentage chance to summon one of several unique named doctors. Dr. Frankenstein, Dr. Robotnik, Dr. Claw, ... 12:47 [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) defeated Croesus, on T:23991 12:47 Dr. Demento 12:48 Dr. Who. This is becoming a YASI. 12:48 Bones from star trek 12:48 heh 12:48 EPI to YASI 12:48 I actually at one point wanted to include Dr. Bashir (from DS9) as a character who could show up in Gehennom. 12:48 why bashir? 12:48 Dunno. 12:49 I mean, I was looking for a healer character. 12:49 why not the EMH :P 12:49 Because my goal was to fill out the list of baddies with one from each role. 12:49 the Wizard of Yendor being the wizard one, and the HP of Moloch being the Priest. 12:49 I was going to include Thargor the Barbarian (who would've been spectacularly scary to try to fight), among others. 12:50 Dunno why I came up with Bashir for the healer, I just did. 12:50 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3412 12:50 heh 12:50 <[Demo]6> I still think a hall of gruntled adventurers special level is in order 12:50 He would've fired phaser bolts (a beam, not a ray, so no reflecting it) at you, but of course the phaser would've just been a special attack he had, not an item he could drop that you could pick up and use, no. 12:50 ghengis khan (sp?) for the barbarian 12:50 <[Demo]6> err, guild, not hall 12:51 K2: Thargor is a better character. 12:51 That was the one I was really proud of. 12:51 Oh, and the Ranger was going to be Belkar. 12:51 Thargor... 12:51 Thargor, from Otherland. 12:51 not familiar with that name 12:51 oh 12:51 aka Orlando Gardner. 12:52 Otherland is a series of mostly-scifi books (with minor Fantasy elements) that you really should read if you haven't. Tad Williams. 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:21045 12:52 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed historic partly eaten fireproof magic harp named loreena mckennitt", on T:52065 12:52 been awhile since i've read anything new 9to me) 12:52 ( 12:53 last books I read were the Dune series 12:53 But be forwarned, it's the kind you get into and at some point can't put down, and the story is four long books, and when you get to the end of one of the books there's no resolution, you have to just continue with the next book. It's one long epic. 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:21047 12:53 In general, I would compare Tad Williams against Tolkein for world building. 12:53 i like that 12:54 if its a good story, the longer the better 12:54 His most famous series is probably The Dragonbone Chair. Which is epic fantasy. 12:54 And his best is probably Shadowmarch. 12:54 But Otherland is also good. 12:54 my problem is finding the time 12:54 Ah. 12:54 Yeah, there's that. 12:54 to read would cut into my nethack time ;) 12:55 And finding time for anything as long as the Otherland series is a bit of a committment. 12:55 These are three-inch-thick books, and there are four of them. 12:55 heh 12:55 you familiar with peter f. hamilton? 12:55 sci-fi writer 12:55 NOt sure. What did he write? 12:55 the reality dysfunction series 12:56 My _favorite_ sci-fi writer hands down is Bujold. 12:56 epic series 12:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:56 I mean, Bujold is soft sci-fi, though. 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5402 12:56 * K2 loves hard sci-fi 12:56 For hard sci-fi, I don't know, maybe Card. 12:56 i got hooked on issac asimov as a kid 12:57 he's my fav 12:57 way way ahead of his time 12:58 stephen baxter is a hard sci-fi writer, i enjoy everything i've read of his so far 12:58 speaking of hard scifi, anybody seen the anime planetes 12:58 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered the planes, on T:52074 12:59 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:52075 12:59 K2: Some of Asimov is good. I liked the Foundation series. 13:00 Wasn't so fond of the robots stuff. 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:32963 13:00 Though that may be partly because it was so badly out of date by the time I read it. 13:00 winny: i never really got into anime 13:00 jonadab: I, Robot was the first asimov book i ever read. loved it 13:00 never read the entire foundation series, it wasnt as interesting to me 13:01 got more into his short stories 13:01 Nightfall is a good story 13:01 I'm trying to read the most classic and influential of the sci-fi. stranger in a strange land, contact, 2001 and sequels, I Robot 13:01 i'd recommend it only to experience the politics/realistic sciencefiction setting of space debris haulers 13:01 stranger in a strange land, that's essiential reading right there 13:01 BTW anybody here read simulacron-3 13:01 starship troopers also (the book, not the movie) 13:02 that gets me real good 13:02 or it might be simulacra-3 13:02 winny looked it up. neat 13:02 a VR story before VR was a thing 13:03 basically 13:03 sort of proto matrix in a way 13:03 K2: yeah I read that this summer 13:03 (starship troopers, not simulacra) 13:03 aosdict what did you think? 13:03 there are two films sort of loosely insprined by it i'd check out - welt am draht and thirteenth floor 13:03 oh man i can't type 13:03 welcome to my world 13:03 K2: interesting model of government but it has the main flaw of requiring perpetual war 13:04 not hard for people to do 13:04 unfortunately 13:04 i'm doing my part 13:04 tbh i want to read foundation 13:04 being an infantry soldier, a lot of the views in that book resonated with me 13:04 by ayn rand? 13:04 oh the trilogy 13:04 eww ayn rand 13:05 asimov 13:05 :D 13:05 oh.. 13:05 l m a o 13:05 it's fountainhead, right? 13:05 yeah i think so 13:05 oh yeah probably 13:05 tbh i tried to read atlas shrugged 13:05 i was scared for a while too 13:05 well, used to be :( switched to signal earlier this year 13:05 but it was so silly and absurd 13:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06 since we're discussing books - anyone here use their phone as an ereader? 13:06 * K2 does 13:06 the foundation trilogy books seem like the best sort of book to read on a kindle or something with an on-line dictionary (as in easily available) 13:06 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:06 i have the trade paperbacks 13:07 i have a paperwhite but i never use it 13:07 it's a disgusting ereader 13:07 you basically have to work around amazon's idea of a locked in ereader ecosystem 13:07 and it's sort of soured the experience for me 13:07 i use calibre to manage my ebooks, there's a plugin made for it that breaks through DRM encryption. then i can convert the format and read those books on any device i want 13:08 i think i want a device that can do pdf's and ideally annotate them 13:08 i read a lot of papers and non-epub/azw/html materials 13:08 i pay for my ebooks though so i dont feel bad stripping out DRM 13:08 i wouldn't feel bad in either rate 13:08 heh 13:08 since you don't really own it 13:08 you are licensed it 13:08 so it's sort of amoral 13:08 * K2 shrugs 13:09 licensed> the EU recognises this as the fiction it is 13:09 i have my own copies of the ebook files that i can tranfer to wherever... so i guess i do own them ;) 13:09 * winny straightenes pirate hat 13:10 arrrrgh matey! 13:10 Oddly I read a lot of mostly-Baen ebooks from about 2000 (when Baen wasn't quite so mad) on a Psion Series 5 but basically went back entirely to dead trees, never had a dedicated ebook reader 13:10 scihub 4 life 13:10 i use moon reader pro on my galaxy s5 13:11 * K2 needs/wants a new phone 13:11 i think i should invest in a tablet with a large screen and long battery 13:11 for those beautiful pdfs 13:11