00:00 another? 00:00 Xaleth: Unless you have grey dragon scales or a CoMR to hand 00:00 Xaleth do you already have a source of MR? 00:00 K2: Xaleth lost their previous one without noticing how it happened 00:00 ah 00:00 yep, black dragon, turn 19185 or so 00:00 I have silver dragon scales, but no enchant armor scroll. 00:01 SDSM won't give you MR. 00:01 thats fine, reflection is the important bit 00:01 so you need some MR then 00:01 !whereis Xaleth 00:01 K2: [hdf-us] Xaleth [nh362]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:19158 The Dungeons of Doom level: 27 00:01 still need MR for liches and things though 00:01 ^ castle 00:01 valk, ok 00:01 cloak of magic resistance 00:01 too easy 00:01 Yeah, considering there's a master lich above me. 00:02 I don't have any cloak of magic resistance this run. 00:02 yeah, I'd say try and enchant the SDSM - the scroll shouldn't be too hard to find - and use a wish for CoMR 00:02 or if you dont have any/too many artifacts already, the magic mirror of merlin 00:02 that frees up your amulet slot for "oLS, but leaves you without MC3, so be careful around wraiths and vampires 00:02 that way you have slotless MR, and can find a cloak of protection to wear instead 00:03 ^ or that 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10844 00:03 I have a scroll of enchant armor (cursed) and have no means of blessing it. 00:03 but relying on a quest artifact for MR leaves you vulnerable if Rodney steals it 00:03 best bet given cirumstances would be CoMR i imagine 00:03 cant go wrong 00:03 dip potions in fountains for water -> pray at altar for holy water -> dip scroll 00:04 I can't find any potions + there are no co-aligned altars below me, and I'm not going above to fight that master lich without any MR. 00:04 Xaleth: So problems here. Don't be Burdened (unless you know what you're doing). Don't carry potions and scrolls outside a bag. Don't be at the Castle without reflection, or if you are, beware black dragons which can disintegrate your armour. 00:04 *can't find any fountains to dip 00:04 Valk? You can invoke the orb for level teleport which usually takes you upwards 00:05 Don't be at the Castle without reflection> especially don't when you found a shield of reflection on the Medusa level 00:05 there's a fountain at the Castle, but yeah, the main thing you need is the altar 00:05 I don't have the artifact yet. 00:05 ahhh 00:05 hmm 00:05 Fountain> way easier just to make a pool and jump in 00:05 Norn wouldn't let me in despite being lvl 11 00:05 how many artifacts do you have / have you seen this game? 00:05 you need to be 14 00:05 ohhh 00:06 I'll go skin dipping with some potions, but I don't have any altars to bless the water. 00:06 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:07 Right now you can have silver dragon scales and a CoMR, which improves matters enormously. 00:07 yeah, wear the scales, they give you reflection which is the really important bit 00:07 I mean the AC is great too 00:07 I'll try to find a CoMR in the barracks rn. 00:08 but the scales will do fine for deflecting rays 00:08 ... particularly with that you can probably just go and beat the master lich flat 00:08 good idea, always check the castle rooms 00:08 question: do they reroll for a higher chance of magical stuff? Or is it just so many items that you can sometimes find good stuff 00:09 Just so many items. 00:09 Mmm 00:09 hmm 00:09 risky 00:09 but *shrug* 00:11 gnite all 00:11 o/ 00:15 Found no CoMR 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] smitty (Val Hum Fem Law), 159 points, T:666, killed by a fox 00:15 only a Cloak of protection 00:16 [backscroll] YASI: In the Mines and other earthy levels, thrown slashing or piercing weapons (daggers, darts etc) can end up embedded in the wall. 00:16 ooooo nice 00:16 What about rock caverns? 00:17 (In the Dungeons of Doom and/or Gehennom) 00:19 Can silver dragon scales and GDSM be worn at the same time? 00:20 No, but you can combine SDSM with a cloak of magic resistance, for instance. 00:20 <@Zachary> Or GDSM with a shield of reflection 00:20 Or the Magic Mirror of Merlin 00:20 mm 00:20 if you don't mind not being able to use two weapons, yes. 00:21 I'm two-weaponing a silver saber and a +7 excalibur, so... 00:23 Xaleth: Most to all of your woes stem from not grabbing the shield of reflection on Medusa, hint hint 00:23 Assuming there is one 00:23 Andrio: there was. 00:23 Ah 00:24 #twoweapon is very useful _if_ you can cover the MR and reflection bases elsewhere. 00:25 I used GDSM and an amulet of reflection last time 00:25 i'll go get the shield of reflection AFAP. 00:25 (in game turns) 00:25 Xaleth: Errr did you forget the master lich and the silver dragon scales you now have? 00:25 oh yeah 00:26 And I forgot, my wand of wishing broke somehow b/c I don't have it anymore. 00:26 "somehow"> you must pay attention! 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] smitty (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1949 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 44233 points, T:13874, killed by a barbed devil 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] smitty (Val Hum Fem Law), 1183 points, T:2009, killed by a little dog called Max 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 223404 points, T:20695, killed by a vampire lord in bat form 00:32 Tried to escape back upstairs to castle, didn't turn out well. 00:32 Bad strategy was implemented yet again. 00:33 Xaleth: usually, you want to get holy water squared away ASAP (esp before castle, imho) 00:33 I could've used the ring of conflict in my inventory. 00:33 aye - that would've helped 00:33 eraserhead: I'll do that in my next run. 00:33 eraserhead: All Xaleth's potions got boiled away (yes, I told them) 00:34 That was before I obtained fire resistance from a fire giant. 00:34 Xaleth: Fire resistance wouldn't have helped. 00:34 * Xaleth is confuzzled 00:34 <[Demo]6> learn something and try again, don't need to learn it all at once 00:35 Xaleth: Please read the advice you are given. 00:36 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 00:38 Xaleth: your wand of wishing was destroyed by being zapped by a lightning bolt, something you could easily have prevented 00:40 Yeah, by wearing the shield of reflection. 00:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:41 Or put it in a container. 00:41 You didn't have the shield of reflection. 00:42 See, the reason I'm not saying "put it in a container" is about six times I mentioned putting items in a container to protect them, and yet you died with a bunch of potions and scrolls out. So I'm not entirely convinced saying it a seventh time would help. 00:43 sorry. 00:43 Andrio: I dunno why you're apologising for Xaleth not reading anything. 00:43 * Andrio zaps himself with a marble wand. Andrio's body takes on a normal transparency. 00:44 <[Demo]6> epic tier backseat roadrage 00:45 Pinkbeast: yeah ik, but I could've wore the shield of reflection right after defeating Medusa before descending to the castle. 00:46 Andrio: it's not your fault but mine. 00:46 Because I'm scared and I miss things often. 00:46 Now I'll focus on reflection and MR before descending into the castle next run. 00:46 Xaleth: indeed. But at the point you had the wand of wishing, you didn't have that option; but you did have an option readily available to you to protect it. 00:47 even a sack is a really valuable item. 00:47 by putting it into the bag of holding. 00:47 yeah 00:47 A step I fatally missed. 00:47 <[Demo]6> well it's ur game u can die if you want lol 00:47 I had a few bagless-until-the-castle games during tnnt and it was not a happy fun time 00:47 But in my game, I'm trying *not* to die. 00:48 (of course the rng taunted me with bags of tricks every time) 00:48 lol 00:48 ended up schlepping around a large box just because having a container is *that* important. 00:49 Xaleth: don't worry - you'll die many, many more times in NH - the trick is to learn each time so you don't die the same way 00:49 open #overview, approximately every other level is named "stash" 00:49 Xaleth: all the tips Pinkbeast are giving are really basic ones (good habits you should maintain) 00:50 The trick is to _pay attention_. You shouldn't be losing your body armour and not knowing how; you shouldn't be losing a wand of wishing and not knowing how. After the early game (exactly how long that is varies, but not long on a Valk) the game isn't hard _except_ that it needs iron discipline. 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:38478 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38479 00:56 got 3 unIDed amulets - is one of them AoR? !rng yes no 00:56 !rng yes no 00:56 eraserhead: no 00:56 8^( 00:56 figures ^_^" 00:57 rofl 00:57 Strangulation, restful sleep and change 00:57 damn! hahaha 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a silver spear named nc on an altar, on T:5451 01:00 yeah, baby - AoESP, AoR ^^ 01:01 Oh, nice! 01:01 I was being greedy - I had a ML, but I like to save it for Gehennom and the Planes... 01:02 same, I hate having to use magic lamps for things other than lighting my way 01:02 Years ago Rast convinced me to ~always cash them for 4/5 of a wish 01:03 extra frustrating when you decide that you really do need that wish now and then the djinni is just like "freedom!" and gtfo's 01:03 Last time one of them didn't give me a wish, my pet killed it. 01:04 savage 01:05 justice 01:06 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:39082 01:07 after all I did for that djinn! holy water bath and nice cleaning of the lamp and all! 01:07 nah, best not to feel entitled 01:07 I always wonder, is it better to fight sea monsters with boots of speed or levitation? Levitation doesn't give you any protection against drowning, does it? 01:08 no, especially the boots. 01:08 if you take off a ring of levitation in the turn between being grabbed and being drowned, you do get released 01:08 but the boots take too long to take off, so definitely speed. 01:09 attie: wow - that's a pretty subtle interplay 01:09 thx for insight ^^ 01:09 but either way I'd avoid fighting them at all 01:11 Yeah, that's the wrong question to be asking 01:11 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 01:11 the best thing to wear while fighting sea monsters is an oilskin cloak. 01:12 Or personal space :-) 01:15 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 01:16 Hmm... ...disenchanter behind the drawbridge - I should use him for one hit on my +6 Excalibur... 01:37 -!- Lymia has quit [Quit: Hugs~ <3] 01:39 -!- Lymia has joined #hardfought 01:40 hmm... ...mind flayer corpse has 400 nutritional value - I might burst at Satiated... 01:40 With In:8, I'm tempted 01:41 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:41 nah - better not 01:43 w/speed boots, it's deceptive - feels like it's been a while, but not really >< 01:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:21967 02:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:15 does E work or not in VotD? 02:15 I'm guessing no? 02:16 no 02:16 VotD is Gehennom, technically 02:17 bit confusing with the whole "gate to Gehennom" blurb at the end, but E and prayer don't work 02:17 yeah - it's right at the boundary - so confused me 02:17 was trying to deal with mind flayer - ended up teleporting him away to buy more time 02:17 need to geno h 02:18 as long as you're not a dwarf! 02:18 human ^^ 02:18 w00t w00t 02:22 need some super-strength vasoline - this grease wears off too quickly... 02:24 I wonder if I can trap him or block him (mind flayer) with a pit 02:25 mind flayers fly I think 02:25 I know mmfs do, not sure about their little bros 02:25 oh, I forgot - ty 02:25 you're right 02:25 My usual solution is "Kill it to death. Until it dies." 02:26 forgot I had the MM spell - haven't gotten Merlin's Mirror yet though - that was enuf ^^ 02:27 MM is pretty great 02:28 yup - really useful until running away from Rodney... maybe drop amulet and then cast? I'll have to try... 02:35 maybe not for MM or for a combat situation, but definitely drop the ammy for utility spells like dig, magic mapping, detect *, etc 02:36 ic - thx for tip 02:39 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 02:44 ugg - need unihorn badly - got to VotD w/o finding a cross-aligned uni - gonna have to kill the white one in Minetown 02:46 LoL - found a dead uni w/horn in a corner of VotD - I'll take it ^^ 03:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:23582 03:15 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 03:16 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:23 -!- eraserhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:24288 03:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24289 04:16 !gt orctown 04:29 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 04:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:52 -!- barcabuona has joined #hardfought 05:02 Coco bites the watchman. The watchman is killed! Boing! 05:03 invisible gnome lord with a wand of striking 05:03 the cats and I killed him 05:04 [hdf-us] [slex] Antichthon (Elp Clk Fem Law), 29113458 points, T:210756, betrayed by a monster (invisible express train) 05:04 -!- barcabuona has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.3] 05:07 I killed the Wizzard of Yendor on water. There is no book around. How can I get the book without an amulet of magical breathing? 05:08 freeze the water or fill it with boulders 05:09 Thanks! 05:10 or teleport the book out but then you need to find it elsewhere on the level 05:10 ice or rock is a container, and the book can't be contained, so it'll be on top, you don't need to dig it up 05:11 elenmirie__: thank you for wiz bones, gave me a cat and a cloak and a wand of poly :-) 05:11 enjoy! 05:11 Coco is now a large cat 05:12 mostly from killing watchmen 05:12 the cloak is still cursed but I'm wearing it anyway 05:14 Is it a good idea to eat the Wizzards corpse? 05:15 if you're not a human, yes 05:15 you can get teleport control from him 05:15 (also he's nutritious) 05:15 Well, I am human. 05:15 then don't, unless you want aggravate monster :-) 05:16 oh, you can't pacify horses any more with tins 05:16 no but you can with food rations (and I think also military rations) 05:27 !lastgame Antichthon 05:27 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Antichthon/slex/dumplog/1543962375.slex.txt 05:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Booker (Val Hum Fem Law), 1905 points, T:2091, killed by a killer bee 06:07 by a whole pack of wolves 06:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Booker (Val Hum Fem Law), 1896 points, T:1613, killed by a gnome mummy, while praying 06:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:38 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:43 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:31 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:34409 07:37 Pinkbeast: like Excalibur isn't already king of the artifact weapons. 07:49 what about Grayswandir? 07:59 omg good morning 07:59 minus the 'good' hah 08:03 omg bad morning 08:04 ;) 08:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) had Gae Buidhe bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:30483 08:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1478 08:18 heh I just killed a soldier with -5 leather armor and -6 leather gloves. 08:22 lol 08:26 bug 08:26 bhaak: how so? 08:31 Did you use melee attacks? 08:32 aosdict: joke 08:34 Andrio: me? Yeah I'm using melee on pretty much everything at this stage. Most things are going down in 1-2 hits, so I didn't notice the soldier was particularly weak. but the incantifier race automatically knows the enchantment of things so I found the -5/-6 gear on his body. 08:36 <@Luxcalibur> must be the new guy 08:37 yep, sounds like hazing 08:39 Ah 08:41 If an incantifier eats negatively enchanted gear, do they get more hungry? 08:41 you must cut down the tallest tree in the forest with... a herring! 08:41 * K2 hands Tangles_ a herring 08:41 ni! 08:43 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:6840 08:51 lol 08:52 Shut it, K2. 08:52 ... ni! 08:52 ...ow! 08:52 ni ni ni! 08:52 Ninny. 08:52 hahah 08:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV4poUZAQo 08:53 ^^ 08:56 -!- dila is now known as vpro 09:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4518 points, T:3276, killed by a gecko 09:11 [hdf-us] [dyn] Chi (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Fem Law), 4919 points, T:2966, killed by a bolt of lightning 09:13 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) killed the Failure Eidolon, on T:31493 09:13 [hdf-us] [dyn] Chi (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Fem Law), 139 points, T:191, killed by a goblin 09:19 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 692 points, T:1126, killed by an acid blob 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9296 09:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1215 points, T:1629, killed by a little dog 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1919 points, T:2451, killed by an arrow 09:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:38 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 09:41 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 09:49 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2792 points, T:2702, killed by a baby black dragon 09:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 09:54 A gush of water hits the acid blob's right pseudopod! 09:55 wonderfully precise 09:56 <[Demo]6> man, the first divine ac purchase always feels so good 09:56 unless you get +2 09:57 Texas sharpshooter precise? 09:58 I'd imagine an acid blob's right pseudopod would be hard to hit 09:58 if you're aiming for it, maybe. 09:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:00 who says the rust trap wasn't aiming for it? 10:01 No one. 10:02 though I wonder by what sort of mechanism it would aim at the right pseudopod 10:02 I didn't even know acid blobs had pseudopods 10:02 Sometimes they do 10:02 I thought they were just generally blobby 10:03 The right blob 10:04 [hdf-us] [4k] nerfbloodpudding (Demo) (Rog Elf Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:10826 10:13 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 252 points, T:675, killed by a poisonous cloak 10:16 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 10:24 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3834 points, T:2272, killed by an ettin mummy 10:30 <[Demo]6> hmm i feel like 4k anceint dragons could onehit me 10:30 <@Luxcalibur> they only spawn in vaults 10:30 <@Luxcalibur> so you can basically never meet one 10:31 <[Demo]6> and dragon halls 10:31 <[Demo]6> which ive found two of now 10:32 <@Luxcalibur> there's only one required dragon hall in wiztower 10:32 <@Luxcalibur> everything else seems to be optional 10:32 <@Luxcalibur> thankfully, since it takes forever to clear them 10:33 <[Demo]6> i need xp but i need to not die 10:33 <[Demo]6> im ready to do the quest but i cant because i dont have a high enough xp lvl 10:33 <@Luxcalibur> !tell jonadab when is nh4 watchmode coming to fourk 10:33 Will do, @Luxcalibur! 10:33 @Luxcalibur: 4.3.0.6 10:33 jonadab: Message from @Luxcalibur at 2018-12-18 10:33 EST: when is nh4 watchmode coming to fourk 10:34 [Demo]6: Ancient dragons should only occur in dragon halls; but yes, they are dangerous. 10:34 <@Luxcalibur> demo: honestly valley is safer 10:35 <@Luxcalibur> valerian is just permanently poisoned right? 10:35 That's Grimtooth. 10:35 Valerian causes sleep. 10:35 <[Demo]6> how dangerous? 10:35 <[Demo]6> @4k?blue ancient dragon 10:35 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:35 <[Demo]6> what the command 10:35 [Demo]6: They're fast, and their bite attack is themed to their color. 10:35 <@Luxcalibur> they have far too much health 10:36 And yes, they have HP. 10:36 <[Demo]6> how much MR? 10:36 <@Luxcalibur> there's a fourk spoiler page 10:36 <[Demo]6> cause thats all that matters with valerian 10:37 <[Demo]6> assuming they dont have sleep res 10:37 <@Luxcalibur> http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/spoilers-fourk/ 10:37 [Demo]6: http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/spoilers-fourk/4.3.0.4/monster-spoiler.html#monst178 10:37 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1131 points, T:711, killed by a bat 10:37 "will" is what the code calles monmr 10:38 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) had Doomblade bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:36054 10:38 <[Demo]6> ok so i cant fight one 10:38 Hmm, they're only speed 16, that's not as fast as I was thinking. (It's been a while since I did the dragon stats.) 10:39 Elder dragons are only speed 12? Wimpy! 10:39 <@Luxcalibur> also I agree with demo's name 10:39 <@Luxcalibur> I hit a black pudding twice with stormbringer 10:39 <@Luxcalibur> blood puddings 10:39 <@Luxcalibur> aren't they just supposed to punish farming 10:39 That's the intention. 10:39 I've *three times* tried to adjust the split code so that they don't generate too easily. 10:40 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 457 points, T:371, killed by a dwarf 10:40 People keep reporting that they generate after 1-2 splits. Which theoretically shouldn't happen. Apparently my understanding of monster levels is whack. 10:40 maybe it's due to mkclass problems 10:41 I suppose that's possible? The split code doesn't call mkclass, but mkclass could've been involved with generated the puddings in the first place. 10:41 *generating 10:41 <[Demo]6> yeah they come way too early 10:41 I need to just add a splitcount, but that's a savebreak. 10:41 So 4.3.0.5 10:43 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:36120 10:43 <@Luxcalibur> jonadab: how much does rogue backstab do to trapped enemies? 10:44 Same as to fleeing or sleeping enemies. 10:44 The formula takes weapon skill into account. 10:44 rogues special spell should be 'cause fear' given their special backstab ability 10:44 <@Luxcalibur> crazy good wow 10:45 <@Luxcalibur> I should have been digging pits everywhere then 10:45 <@Luxcalibur> then again I never got valerian so I still don't know how broken rogue is in fourk 10:45 K2: nah, cause fear is all about unsubtlety. rogues are about subtlety 10:46 YASI: spell of cause dread. 10:46 I mean, I suppose I could replace valerian with an artifact dagger that causes fear. 10:46 <@Luxcalibur> magicbane? :p 10:46 No, just one that always causes fear. 10:46 None of that other weird junk. 10:46 <[Demo]6> why did fourk make it so that you cant do island medusa with only jumping? 10:47 Wait, can't you? 10:47 That's not a deliberate change. 10:47 <@Luxcalibur> why are you trying to do medusa with jumping 10:47 <[Demo]6> what am i supposed to do? 10:47 <[Demo]6> https://i.imgur.com/o6OM0Ff.png 10:47 <@Luxcalibur> dig a hole 10:47 Lots of possibilities. 10:47 <[Demo]6> nah, i want perseus's loot 10:47 <@Luxcalibur> dig a hole then come back up 10:47 <[Demo]6> and to kill medusa 10:48 <[Demo]6> for xp 10:48 <[Demo]6> im not ready for castle yet 10:48 Hmm, I don't remember, can you jump from shallow water? 10:49 <@Luxcalibur> you can probably do castle 10:49 <@Luxcalibur> or just confused tele back up 10:49 <[Demo]6> yes you can 10:49 <[Demo]6> thats how i got there 10:49 @Luxcalibur note that the Perseus statue has more guaranteed stuff in Fourk than in vanilla. 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:11576 10:49 Not huge, but can be significant e.g. if you don't have a sack yet. 10:50 <@Luxcalibur> it guarantees everything? 10:50 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 10:50 <@Luxcalibur> I was only aware that it had a 100% chance of reflection 10:50 It guarantees some kind of bag (not of tricks) and reflection. 10:50 <@Luxcalibur> oh...interesting 10:50 The lev boots are not guaranteed. 10:51 The bag is usually just a sack. 10:51 One version has oilskin, don't remember which. 10:51 The reflection is generally a shield. 10:51 [hdf-us] [4k] nerfbloodpudding (Demo) (Rog Elf Fem Cha) defeated Medusa, on T:14200 10:52 But if you don't want to do the Castle without reflection, or don't have a sack yet, this can be significant. 10:52 <[Demo]6> hmm i dont have any way to open it 10:52 <[Demo]6> oh well 10:52 <[Demo]6> time to get killed by a minotaur 10:52 Heh. 10:52 Those things do hit kinda hard. 10:52 <@Luxcalibur> valerian 10:52 <@Luxcalibur> ez 10:52 <[Demo]6> nah lux 10:52 <[Demo]6> dmg reduction due to AC is fucked in fourk 10:52 <[Demo]6> so i think one hit will take me down to half health? 10:52 <@Luxcalibur> 0 MR 10:52 [Demo]6: minotaurs are exempt from that. 10:53 <@Luxcalibur> stunlock for days 10:53 <[Demo]6> then i am not concerned 10:53 <[Demo]6> -14 AC should be safe 10:53 Attacking minotaurs uses the vanilla damage reduction formula. 10:53 They are currently the only monster in Fourk to do so. 10:53 <[Demo]6> wow, a +11 orcish dagger 10:54 That... could be useful. 10:54 <[Demo]6> not sure what for 10:54 I mean, it's probably not better than valerian. Because Rogue. 10:55 And for throwing you want stackables. 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:4882 10:56 <[Demo]6> yeah 10:56 <@Luxcalibur> have you considered nerfing valerian 10:56 <[Demo]6> what controls random spe? 10:56 <[Demo]6> dlvl? 10:58 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 574 points, T:2114, killed by a black pudding 10:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:00 <@Luxcalibur> @Noah don't blank scrolls of time noooooo 11:02 <[Demo]6> monster AI in fourk seems weird 11:03 <[Demo]6> sooo frequently random monsters just stand still where they spawned and dont move anywhere 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:41248 11:04 <@Luxcalibur> that's because you're stealthy 11:04 <@Luxcalibur> that being said I don't think the stealth skill actually does anything 11:04 <@Luxcalibur> I got "master" in stealth and I still woke up a whole demon vault 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2035 points, T:1958, killed by a dwarf 11:05 <[Demo]6> what even 11:06 <@Luxcalibur> maybe jonadab can explain this before I waste more skill slots 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a red mold, on T:5126 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1759 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 9551 points, T:5134, killed by a wraith 11:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:09 [hdf-us] [nh343] Karnak (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 201 points, T:682, killed by a gas spore's explosion 11:10 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3074 points, T:1753, killed by an Uruk-hai 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:41643 11:12 <[Demo]6> yey, finally got intrinsic speed 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "test", on T:3186 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:41720 11:15 "For you, honored dark lord; only 20 zorkmids for this tin opener." 11:19 Now he alters the deal, and #pray he doesn't alter it further 11:21 <@Luxcalibur> Literal vampire who has probably killed hundreds of people: "Hi welcome to Ballingeary's rare books!" 11:21 <@Luxcalibur> Guy wearing a striped shirt: "I don't serve your kind here." 11:22 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3243 points, T:2192, killed by a housecat 11:25 <@Tmasher> If you're a vampire, the worst thing you're going to do to him is kill him 11:25 <@Tmasher> If you're a prisoner, you could steal from him, lowering his score after he dies 11:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Hum Fem Law), 9188 points, T:4026, killed by the wrath of Tyr 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13506 11:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Kos, on T:38899 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4347 points, T:4293, killed by a black unicorn 11:36 <[Demo]6> hmm, it seems in fourk that the rogue locate level is just a tourist quest like level 11:37 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:5668 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 787 points, T:3132, killed by a homunculus 11:38 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1522 points, T:2114, killed by a dwarf 11:39 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 11:40 @Tone do you want to release the next part of your let's play tomorrow? 11:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:49 <[Demo]6> how do i escape the deepest level of the rogue quest? 11:50 -!- spontiff has quit [] 11:50 cursed !oGL 11:50 poly into a xorn 11:50 cursed teleport 11:50 ^ that too 11:51 <[Demo]6> so if i fall in with none of those... 11:51 <[Demo]6> am i trapped forever? 11:51