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00:02 <bouquet> anyone have useful suggestions for "scroll of warding words"? Is it like a trap for monsters to stumble across?
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00:06 <aosdict> PavelB: [backscroll] Tin opener object materials are there for fun, mainly :D
00:06 <Beholder> aosdict: Message from PavelB at 2018-12-16 23:33 EST: Highlight hidden stairs doesn't seem to be working right. I dropped some darts on the dlvl 1 upstair and it wasn't highlited
00:07 <PavelB> Maybe it got broken with the recent curses thing? I haven't touched my config.
00:08 <aosdict> Did you drop the darts on the stair or throw them on it?
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00:09 <PavelB> Drop
00:09 <PavelB> Well, I first noticed because they were thrown *at* me, but then I picked them up and dropped them
00:10 <Luxidream2> bouquet: I never used it, because if you walk over the square again you trigger it
00:10 <aosdict> I've noticed some issues with hilite_hidden_stairs, like the boulder in Sokoban thing I found in my game.
00:11 <bouquet> Luxidream2: good for blanking then!
00:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 60 points, T:256, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse
00:12 * aosdict feels compelled to implement a ward system again
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00:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 10033 points, T:4196, killed by an ettin mummy
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00:53 * Menche wonders if it's a bug for a rolling boulder trap to generate in a corner
00:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] smitty (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10030
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01:13 <Andrio> With a trap pile on top
01:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 659 points, T:1869, killed by a rock piercer
01:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Sam Hum Mal Law) murdered Hachi, his faithful little dog, on T:1782
01:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] fluorescence cat (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 248300 points, T:43727, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack4/dumplog/2018-12-17%2006%3A39%3A47%2C%20fluorescence%20cat-Pri-Hum-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt
01:39 <Menche> :(
01:44 <PavelB> grats @Luxcalibur
01:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nerg (zor) (Mon Hum Mal Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:5287
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02:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 400 points, T:2966, killed by an invisible kobold
02:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 671 points, T:2625, killed by a small mimic
03:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 104 points, T:1087, killed by a boulder
03:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 373 points, T:1954, killed by a cave spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze
03:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2345 points, T:3089, killed by a Woodland-elf
04:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 565 points, T:1578, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping
04:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 161 points, T:327, killed by a falling rock
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04:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nerg (zor) (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:6939
05:33 <raisse> lol, hardfought usernames aren't case sensitive, found out just now
05:58 <LarienTelrunya> EPI: if you kill too many Keystone Kops, they eventually call in the military who starts bombing the Dungeons of Doom with airstrikes, eventually resulting in a dungeon collapse.
06:00 <LarienTelrunya> EPI: make arch-liches ungenocideable, have them resurrect like trolls, and increment their level (and thus spellcasting power) by one every time they resurrect.
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06:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:3273
06:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14061
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07:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] haughsee (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 361 points, T:1677, choked on a food ration
07:03 <rebatela> no luckstone in mimic of mines? where could it be?
07:04 <K2> its there
07:04 <K2> a gnome or dwarf must have grabbed it
07:11 <rebatela> yeah that's what i've always said to other people when they ask the same question
07:11 <rebatela> but i can't find this damn luckstone loll 
07:13 <Andrio> Got any object detection potions?
07:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Zyb Asg Mal Cha), 689 points, T:1586, killed by a monster (glam bitch)
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07:59 <K2> spontiff I updated 362-hdf last night. you still seeing that monster behavior you mentioned?
08:00 <spontiff> @k2 a large kobold was generated asleep for no obvious reason just now
08:00 <K2> hmm
08:00 <spontiff> so... maybe not?  Or maybe it's just a coincidence
08:00 <K2> maybe. need a few more games to see i suppose
08:00 <spontiff> I *think* I stepped on the square it was sleeping on and there wasn't a trap there
08:00 <spontiff> but I'm not sure
08:01 <K2> i dont recall the devteam adding anything to make low level monsters generate asleep
08:01 <K2> recently
08:01 <spontiff> I checked with the stethoscope and its status was 'sleeping'
08:02 <spontiff> also, I don't know what version I was playing, but the game was started a few hours ago at most
08:02 * K2 checks himself with a stethoscope. status is 'should be sleeping but cant because he's at work on a monday gdammit'
08:02 <spontiff> :)
08:02 <K2> spontiff it'd be latest version 
08:04 <K2> build date would be just a few hours ago
08:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 5400 points, T:2596, killed by a monster (captain)
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08:19 <raisse> 2 hobbits were so friendly as to throw daggers at me so I had something to wield :-)
08:20 <raisse> also both had +0 mithril-coats
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08:31 <spontiff> even mithril can't save you from that, I guess
08:35 <aosdict> reminds me of when hothraxxa accumulated silver daggers by having demons throw them at him
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08:46 <raisse> I ate one orc and then its mate appeared round the corner
08:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 4864 points, T:1054, killed by a monster (burning buckyball)
08:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "the greased +3 holy burning grayswandir", on T:17682
08:56 <aosdict> "Don't mind me, just chowing down on your delicious partner."
08:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:19523
09:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19710
09:00 <Andrio> 'As if you weren't going to do that anyway.'
09:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Dark One, on T:21502
09:25 <aosdict> stenno: Do you know anything about the report leading up to the recent commit 0fe6a73?
09:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) defeated Croesus, on T:21849
09:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 333 points, T:555, killed by a kitten
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09:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo (Fla Gno Fem Neu), 1536 points, T:2633, killed by a housecat
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09:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law), 7339 points, T:5084, killed by a panther
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10:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nerg (zor) (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Rogue tribute level, on T:10190
10:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo (Und Dro Fem Cha), 4157 points, T:4033, killed by a straw golem
10:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 6167 points, T:2044, killed by a monster (Girtab)
10:08 <LarienTelrunya> !lastgame
10:08 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/MaxLunar/slex/dumplog/1545054936.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spontiff/nh361/dumplog/1545055849.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nh361/dumplog/1544828658.nh361.txt
10:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 853 points, T:2869, killed by a bat
10:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4 points, T:7, killed by a falling rock
10:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:25702
10:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the dwarf zombie of ahrimen, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:23354
10:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nerg (zor) (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 23181 points, T:11378, petrified by punching a cockatrice barehanded
10:34 <jonadab> K2: Pushed an additional bugfix for Fourk.
10:37 <K2> ok thanks
10:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 424 points, T:856, killed by a dagger
10:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Demo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5769
10:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Cav Inc Mal Neu), 2514 points, T:931, killed by a fire ant
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2567
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2585
11:05 <jonadab> K2: Also, if you use clang like Travis does, you will also need the fix I just pushed.  gcc doesn't care.
11:05 <K2> ok
11:05 <K2> will pull and compile here in just a few min
11:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 1209 points, T:894, quit
11:08 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> oh man just absolutely TANKED my luck as a poly'd mind flayer clearing out a barracks
11:08 <rld> <@Tone> Human?
11:09 <rld> <@Tone> Your alignment is going to be very bad as well
11:09 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> yeah sure was
11:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] kelvin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 744 points, T:3222, killed by a bat
11:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Demo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 19638 points, T:9393, killed by a bolt of lightning
11:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 1047 points, T:1578, overpowered by a dwarf
11:11 <rld> <@Tone> Actually that's just a luck thing, I don't think it should affect alignment
11:14 <rld> <@Tone> I had an issue during one of my speed runs where I attacked a doppelganger as a mmf
11:14 <K2> NetHack Fourk updated (all servers)
11:14 <rld> <@Tone> Which became very problematic because I couldn't make wishes after that
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11:23 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> yeah did my first polymorph to a xorn to snag the castle WoW but going to wait to use it till it get my luck back in shape
11:27 <jonadab> @Luxcalibur Didn't you say the advcal doors can be kicked down in Fourk?  Did you actually manage to do that?  I am having difficulty reproducing it.
11:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:27221
11:35 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> jonadab: let me check the replay
11:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:27223
11:35 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> jonadab: the view replay setting in NH4 doesn't exist in fourk?
11:36 <jonadab> @Luxcalibur I think it's disabled on the public server.
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11:36 <jonadab> Because kerio thought it was redundant and caused performance issues.
11:37 <jonadab> And hardfought went with the server config that was previously established.
11:37 <Luxidream> I see. I'll have to look at the ttyrec then
11:37 <jonadab> If I rebase on FIQHack for .6, I'll get FIQ's perf improvements for the replay mode.
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11:38 <jonadab> But that's down the road.  .5 isn't even stable yet.
11:38 <Luxidream> but I kicked down several doors due to not knowing the correct numbers
11:38 <jonadab> Oh, you said the numbers weren't in the right places either.  I bet that's _related_ somehow.
11:38 <jonadab> Not sure how, but.
11:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:27234
11:38 <Luxidream> I didn't see any numbers
11:39 <jonadab> There should've been numbers just outside each door, written in colored lights.
11:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:27235
11:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:27236
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11:41 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> i always forget, if you have poly control and a ring of polymorph while wearing DSM, can you actually control your poly form?
11:41 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> and you still trigger poly when you have MR right?
11:42 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> yes and ys
11:42 <jonadab> MR resists polymorph traps.
11:42 <jonadab> But I think zapping poly at yourself gets around it.
11:43 <Luxidream> jonadab: rld is currently still borked
11:43 <Luxidream> which is why I'm hopping back and forth
11:43 <jonadab> Ah.
11:43 <jonadab> borked how?
11:43 <jonadab> I see messages from there.
11:43 <Luxidream> rld messages get here, but discord side sees nothing
11:43 <jonadab> Ah.
11:44 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> excellent
11:45 * K2 screams across the void to discord, hoping they can sense him
11:45 <jonadab> Eh, Discord sucks anyway so who cares.
11:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] haughsee (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 607 points, T:1924, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze
11:46 <rld> <Luxcalibur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/524266203192229946/unknown.png
11:46 <Luxidream> jonadab^
11:47 <Luxidream> four of the doors are kicked in, there are no numbers in front of any door
11:47 <jonadab> Is there anything engraved inside the alcoves?
11:48 <jonadab> (My guess: no.  And it's probably all related.)
11:49 <Luxidream> they crash open on the first kick, I walk in, there's nothing inside
11:49 <[Demo]6> wait fourk has advent calendar?
11:49 <[Demo]6> how does it work?
11:49 <Luxidream> it doesn't
11:49 <jonadab> Apparently it only works on my computer, not on the public server.
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11:51 <jonadab> You know what I should do?  I should get rid of advcal.des altogether and just generate the level.  It'd be _easier_ than mucking around in sp_lev.c like this.
11:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 417 points, T:975, overpowered by a skunk, while fainted from lack of food
11:52 <Luxidream> jonadab: I see the colored lights now
11:52 <jonadab> Ah, where are they?
11:52 <jonadab> Wrong position?
11:52 <Luxidream> where they should be
11:52 <Luxidream> the doors are also unkickable
11:52 <jonadab> Oh, hmm.  Oh, different game?
11:53 <Luxidream> yeah, I played a giant samurai and headed for advent calendar
11:53 <jonadab> I see.
11:53 <jonadab> So it _sometimes_ doesn't work.  Great.
11:58 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> trigger warning
11:58 <rld> <ChristmIceBox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/524269176785731585/unknown.png
11:58 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> jk, the drawbridge is already broken
12:00 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> we can tell by the pile of iron chains behind you
12:00 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> :p
12:02 <Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp I don't think it makes any sense that ghouls feel sick and take damage from eating rotting corpses
12:02 <Beholder> Will do, Luxidream!
12:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Gul Nbn Law), 353 points, T:963, sent to the next life by a death maggot, while dressing up
12:07 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> hey when you're risking triggers you gotta give the full disclaimer
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12:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Ocean, the former Conjurer, on T:1135
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12:35 <rld> <@Noah> When I try to resume my SpliceHack game I'm getting "There is already a game in progress under your name. Destroy old game? [yn] (n)". "n" just quits. Is my save broke?
12:37 <rld> <@Tone> I think that can usually be recovered
12:37 <rld> <@Tone> You might want to join #hardfought on IRC and ask
12:37 <rld> <@Tone> Our bridge bot isn't working right now
12:38 <rld> <@Tone> There's a web client if you need to log in that way
12:38 <rld> <@Noah> Ah ok. Thanks @Tone !
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12:39 <aosdict> K2: see above for Noah's save
12:39 <K2> i saw
12:39 <K2> already on it
12:39 <hf_guest_58> aosdict K2 Hi, that's me. Thanks for checking it out!
12:40 <K2> Noah, game recovered
12:40 <hf_guest_58> Thanks!
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12:45 <hothraxxa> x - an uncursed magic marker (0:99).
12:46 * hothraxxa does the happy marker dance
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12:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5767
12:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 15625 points, T:1614, killed by a monster (porter mimic)
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13:00 <hothraxxa> k2: grunthack crash :(
13:00 <K2> k
13:00 <K2> that actually generated a coredump
13:01 <PavelB> coredumps are nice
13:01 <hothraxxa> i'm probably the only one here who has ever seen actual core
13:01 <PavelB> o?
13:01 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> yeah K2 is a good person to try and hit up about those kinds of things
13:02 <K2> hothraxxa game recovered
13:02 <hothraxxa> i mean in a working machine not a museum 
13:02 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> the bridge is sometimes still one way...so there's a good chance K2 has heard me and he's there, listening, waiting, but unable to speak like in some horror movie
13:02 <hothraxxa> thanks k2
13:02 <PavelB> What if the machine I saw at a museum was operational
13:02 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> or like patrick swayze in ghost and he's not yet learned to interact with the material world
13:02 <aosdict> We have no mouth and we must scream (at discord)?
13:02 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> whatever analogy makes more sense to you
13:03 <PavelB> They let me stick a punchcard into it
13:03 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> <aosdict> We have no mouth and we must scream (at discord)?
13:03 <hothraxxa> PavelB: i don't mean funcional, i mean a machine that was in use for regular work
13:03 <hothraxxa> +t
13:04 <hothraxxa> i used to punch my own decks
13:04 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> haha thanks manual bridge lux
13:06 <K2> hothraxxa looks like the crash had something to do with a monster corpse
13:08 <PavelB> hothraxxa: I was at a bank once and saw a totally operational teletype they were using once though
13:08 <PavelB> I think that's the oldest piece of hardware I've ever seen being used in production
13:09 <K2> hothraxxa did a pet interact with a corpse at all?
13:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 53963 points, T:7391, killed by a lieutenant
13:10 <PavelB> According to Wikipedia they still use teletypes in the aviation industry of all things
13:10 <hothraxxa> k2: no
13:10 <hothraxxa> no pets then, got one now by accident
13:11 <hothraxxa> PavelB: the first network i ever installed used teletype machines
13:11 <K2> hmm
13:11 <hothraxxa> k2: i went upstairs, took one step, crash
13:12 <K2> just now?
13:12 <hothraxxa> no no, that crash. i'm fine now
13:12 <K2> ok
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13:12 <hothraxxa> restore put me back at the top of the stairs. for safety i went down, came back up, and everything is fine
13:13 <shadowcat22> i finished Sokoban! I had to use both my scrolls of earth, my wand of striking and drop everything to move some boulders, and i accidently killed an aligned unicorn hiding behind a boulder...but i got the bag of holding!
13:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1529 points, T:1601, killed by a priest of Odin
13:14 <K2> shadowcat22 congrats on your new ultra low alignment and luck ;)
13:14 * PavelB currently has the sokoban solutions open in the nh wiki
13:14 <shadowcat22> yeah. i had the solutions open, too...but i screwed up a couple of the boulders on the last level.
13:15 <K2> saccing at co-aligned altar can build all that back up
13:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:29052
13:15 <K2> toss some diamonds at a co-aligned unicorn
13:15 <aosdict> diamonds are a unicorn's best friend
13:15 <K2> tell hothraxxa he looks like a honu... it all helps
13:16 <hothraxxa> i've been to lvl 39 in gehennom. i've not seen a single black unicorn
13:16 <shadowcat22> i don't know where a co-aligned altar is. it's not in minetown and even if it was, i can't get through there because Yeenoghu is on the minetown level.
13:16 <shadowcat22> right at the staircase.
13:16 <hothraxxa> shadowcat22: do you have a luckstone?
13:16 <K2> lol oh shit
13:16 <PavelB> !whereis shadowcat22 
13:16 <Beholder> PavelB: shadowcat22 is not playing.
13:16 <shadowcat22> no....couldn't get down that far.
13:16 <K2> yeenoghu in minetown
13:16 <shadowcat22> i'm just shadowcat when i'm playing.
13:16 <PavelB> !who
13:16 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] IceBox [nh362] eraserhead97 [nh362] shuhari [nh362] Tmasher [nh362] haughsee [nh362] Bartlem [nh362] Luxidream [nh362] hypnotist [nh362] shadowcat [nh4] HolyDiver [un] krm26 [fh] NeroOneTrueKing [fh] hothraxxa [gh] | [hdf-eu] aoei [nh362] spontiff [nh362] jailbird [un] | [hdf-au] No current players
13:16 <PavelB> !whereis shadowcat
13:16 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] shadowcat [nh4]: No details available
13:17 <hothraxxa> ok. bad luck times out for you then
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13:17 <shadowcat22> shadowcat is taken on irc.
13:17 <PavelB> K2: NH4 whereis broken
13:18 <K2> nh4 doesnt have whereis
13:18 <hothraxxa> shadowcat22: note your turn count. if you get a luckstone, keep it bagged or stashed until you reach about 2400 turns past current count
13:18 <PavelB> :o
13:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] HolyDiver (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:36269
13:18 <PavelB> You'd think someone would have patched it in by now
13:18 <hothraxxa> unless you find a unicorn to throw gems at or sac at a co-aligned altar
13:19 <shadowcat22> i'm hoping to find an altar....because i didn't go to mine's end, i don't really have any gems, either.
13:19 <PavelB> Or bless the luckstone
13:20 <hothraxxa> blessing your luckstone isn't that important
13:20 <PavelB> It'll help protect it from being cursed by something later
13:20 <shadowcat22> thanks, guys. and now...back off to the salt mines. NH4 will have to wait till I get home. *sigh* I hate working sometimes.
13:21 <PavelB> think about all the money you'll get at the end of the month though
13:21 <shadowcat22> true, true. money is good. :)
13:21 <hothraxxa> PavelB: that's true but i usually ignore it
13:21 <shadowcat22> thanks everyone...see you later!
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13:21 <hothraxxa> i bless mine only when i'm starting to see monsters that can cast
13:22 <hothraxxa> even then it's low priority
13:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Val Hum Fem Law), 14909 points, T:7408, killed by a troll
13:25 <jonadab> I usually go ahead and bless it when I have a surplus of holy water.
13:25 <jonadab> Because I know I'm gonna want it blessed _eventually_, so.
13:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:20332
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13:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6735
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13:38 <[Demo]6> is there a changelog for fourk anywhere?
13:38 <[Demo]6> like where can i find how it is different than nh4?
13:38 <[Demo]6> like wheres the list of stuff
13:40 <PavelB> oof
13:40 <PavelB> Demo's up to 6
13:40 <jonadab> [Demo]6: Yes.
13:40 <[Demo]6> it sure isnt on the wiki
13:41 <jonadab> There's a _link_ to it on the NetHack Fourk article.
13:41 <jonadab> Under external links.
13:41 <[Demo]6> maybe i cant read
13:41 <jonadab> Actually, two links, one to the master-branch changelog, one to bleeding-edge
13:41 <[Demo]6> thanks
13:42 <PavelB> Another chat I'm in there's a user that always says "thank" and now when I see "thanks" it looks weird 
13:43 <jonadab> PavelB: "thank'ee v'ry much"
13:45 <[Demo]6> "Quasits have been buffed slightly, because they're boring, but I don't want to just remove them if they can be made interesting."
13:45 <[Demo]6> food for thought
13:46 <jonadab> Unfortunately, play testing suggests they are still boring.
13:46 <jonadab> Still looking for ideas there.
13:47 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: you had plenty of EPIs for them, just implement all of those and they'll be interesting :D
13:48 <PavelB> So your solution to make Fourk interesting is to convert Fourk into SLEX?
13:48 <LarienTelrunya> if there was a slexhack fourk I'd play it :)
13:48 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: Ah.  So I should give quasits a psychic-range shred-armor attack, a non-reflectable gaze attack that causes bad luck, and make them speed 86?
13:48 <LarienTelrunya> 86??? :P
13:48 <[Demo]6> hey jonadab, can i throw down the gauntlet at humans and not get the murder penalty?
13:49 <NeroOneTrueKing> how about giving them a range 2 attack (like a polearm)?
13:49 <jonadab> [Demo]6: Does the murder apply to them if they're hostile, in vanilla?
13:49 <jonadab> Because I didn't specifically change that.  All throwing down the gauntlet does is convert peaceful -> hostile
13:50 <jonadab> NeroOneTrueKing: Hmm, there's a thought.
13:50 <[Demo]6> not sure
13:50 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: I remember there being a bug where if you kill hostile @ on the laboratory-or-whatever-that-castle-is-called, you lose telepathy because you're allegedly a murderer.
13:50 <jonadab> What would be flavor-appropriate for a range-2 quasit attack?
13:51 <spontiff> acid spit?
13:53 <jonadab> Hmm.
13:54 <NeroOneTrueKing> D&D 5th ed says that quasits can do minor shapeshifting. Giving them a bat form (like vampires have vampire-bat form) would be lore-appropriate and make them more interesting. I can't say if its a good idea, though :) 
13:55 <jonadab> I think NetHack already has shapeshifting monsters.
13:55 <jonadab> I'd like to do something non-redundant.
13:56 <jonadab> I suppose I could make them a little faster.  Combined with how they're usually invisible, that could maybe make them slightly more interesting?
13:56 <jonadab> That seems pretty lame, though.
13:56 <spontiff> by range-2 do you mean like a lance or spetum?
13:56 <jonadab> Ooh, I could make them teleport away after they hit you.
13:57 <spontiff> they could whip you with their long tails from 2 squares away
13:57 <jonadab> spontiff: Hmm, that might have merit too.
13:57 <spontiff> and then turn and flee
13:57 <jonadab> Yeah.
13:58 <stenno> aosdict: re: commit, no, i don't know, very interesting
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13:59 <stenno> uh, lots of reading to do
13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2120 points, T:1912, killed by a giant bat
14:00 <stenno> how strange
14:01 <stenno> aosdict: doesn't solve minesflayer though - it's a boring adjustment
14:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:29522
14:04 <stenno> aosdict: also yay, time to throw away the paper i wrote about mkclass...
14:04 <stenno> WAIT WHAT.
14:05 <stenno> K2: is 3.6.2-dev always up-to-date to the nethack/nethack repo?
14:05 <K2> not always but close
14:05 <stenno> aosdict: i saw that mkclass was _replaced_ by mkclass_align lol
14:05 <K2> last update was last night
14:05 <stenno> cool, thanks
14:06 <K2> you can see when and which commit by issuing 'v' in game
14:06 <K2> err latest commit
14:07 <stenno> ok but it has no effect because mkclass is calling mkclass_align with atyp A_NONE
14:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] HolyDiver (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:38190
14:09 <stenno> that implicit typecasting lol
14:09 <stenno> well it's not actually typecasting i guess
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14:10 <[Demo]6> hmm i wanna play a sylph rogue but then i cant use valerian
14:10 <stenno> valerian steel? :o
14:11 <stenno> is that slex?
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14:12 <stenno> wait wut
14:13 <[Demo]6> no, fourk
14:13 <jonadab> Valerian is Rogue first sacrifice gift.  It puts things to sleep when it hits them.
14:14 <[Demo]6> its also a dagger so bad and iron
14:14 <jonadab> Which makes them vulnerable to backstab damage.
14:14 <[Demo]6> which has been buffed notably
14:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 43745 points, T:8117, killed by a disenchanter
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14:17 <stenno> jonadab: so not a reference to valerian steel?
14:18 <stenno> oh it's also "Baldrian" lol
14:18 <stenno> ah, the steel is 'valyrian steel'
14:20 <jonadab> What is "valerian steel"?
14:20 <jonadab> Valerian is an herb, at one time widely used to induce sleep.
14:21 <stenno> it's from ASOIAF universe, valyrian steel is the best sword steel there
14:21 <stenno> https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Valyrian_steel
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14:22 <jonadab> Ah, not familiar with ASOIAF.
14:22 <stenno> fair
14:25 <stenno> jonadab: have you seen the makemon changes..?
14:25 <stenno> er mkclass rather
14:25 <jonadab> Haven't looked at mkclass recently.
14:26 <jonadab> So likely not.
14:26 <stenno> ok
14:27 <jonadab> But note that NH4 refactored mkclass way back.
14:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] shuhari (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 11570 points, T:5221, killed by an owlbear
14:27 <jonadab> For multi-rng, and then subsequently to revise the frequency of minesflayers.
14:27 <stenno> i know, i looked at that code for a bit
14:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:2096
14:30 <stenno> hmm i wonder if an endless loop can happen here..
14:31 <stenno> aw, nope
14:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Fem Cha), 811 points, T:614, killed by a monster (agrotroll)
14:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:32865
14:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32866
14:34 <[Demo]6> valerian get
14:35 <stenno> i think this increases the chance of mmf immensely but i am not sure
14:36 <stenno> i am sure this _worsens_ the mmf and purple L problems
14:37 <stenno> now it's possible to get a MMF on DL3 XL1, which wasn't possible before
14:37 <stenno> aosdict: it made MMF worse...
14:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the wizard of Qi, the former Evoker, on T:670
14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2144 points, T:3025, killed by an Elvenking
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu), 2940 points, T:1634, killed by a dog
14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nerfbloodpudding (Demo) (Rog Elf Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4636
14:44 <stenno> but it made mkclass calculations much more easy
14:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law), 2519 points, T:3014, killed by a poisonous corpse
14:45 <[Demo]6> uh....
14:45 <[Demo]6> i foun 4 -8 daggers in minetown
14:45 <[Demo]6> thats a lot of -
14:46 <[Demo]6> how do fourk wishes work?
14:46 <[Demo]6> if i have a blessed magic lamp can i probably get something good?
14:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] HolyDiver (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:39733
14:47 <[Demo]6> alright what i want is sdsm, can i wish for that in fourk from a magic lamp?
14:48 <K2> um... why are there THREE trolls in a group together on dlvl 2?
14:48 <K2> hahahah
14:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law), 144 points, T:797, killed by a magic missile, while taking off clothes
14:49 <stenno> K2: ...in vanilla?
14:49 <K2> spork
14:49 <stenno> ok
14:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu), 150 points, T:421, killed by a troll
14:51 <K2> i dont recall sporkhack spawning crazy shit like that
14:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nerfbloodpudding (Demo) (Rog Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +2 greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:5239
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14:52 <[Demo]6> yey, sdsm get
14:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1788
14:54 <K2> !tell lorimer any idea why sporkhack would spawn three trolls together in a group on dlvl 2? my monk was xp lvl 2-3. hah.
14:54 <Beholder> lorimer shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
14:54 <jonadab> [Demo]6: Yes, you can wish for SDSM from a magic lamp in Fourk, same as in vanilla.
14:54 <[Demo]6> hmm
14:54 <[Demo]6> wonder what the optimal rogue loadout is
14:55 <jonadab> Something something stack of daggers, I think.
14:55 <jonadab> Valerian and stack of daggers for multi-fire, like as not.
14:55 <[Demo]6> but twoweaponing
14:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "efuh", on T:4094
14:57 <jonadab> I don't think you want to two-weapon as a rogue.
14:57 <[Demo]6> hmm why not?
14:57 <jonadab> You don't get backstab when two-weaponing, for one thing.
14:57 <[Demo]6> oh
14:57 <[Demo]6> thats dumb
14:57 <jonadab> But you *do* get it when multi-firing.
14:57 <[Demo]6> so maybe i wanted gdsm then
14:58 <jonadab> If the target monster is fleeing, frozen, trapped, unable to move, sleeping, blind, confused, or stunned.
14:58 <jonadab> Also, backstab bonus scales with your weapon skill.
14:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating an egg, on T:5251
14:59 <K2> if i remember, the backstab bonus goes away for thrown items in vanilla
14:59 <jonadab> Yes, I disagree with that 3.6 change.
14:59 <jonadab> Rogues are *supposed* to be the "throw daggers into everything's back" role.
14:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:5624
14:59 <[Demo]6> hmm, does increase dmg bonus multiply by multishot?
14:59 <jonadab> That's their *thing*.
14:59 <K2> but why its not applied while two-weaponing is bleh
14:59 <jonadab> [Demo]6: It applies to each shot that hits.
15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law), 478 points, T:937, killed by a gnome lord
15:00 <K2> esp if they're expert
15:00 <jonadab> They're not.
15:00 <K2> rogues dont egt expert in 2weapon in fourk?
15:00 <K2> get
15:00 <jonadab> No.
15:00 <K2> boo/hiss
15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a gecko corpse, on T:5746
15:01 <jonadab> They get basic.
15:01 <jonadab> In two-weapon.
15:01 <K2> what was the logic behind that move?
15:02 <jonadab> "Different roles should play differently.  Dual-wielding an artifact longsword and a katana should not be optimal for every role."
15:03 <K2> hrm
15:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 61 points, T:228, killed by a monster (Molek)
15:03 <K2> i personally dont like that change to rogue but its your variant, so cant complain
15:04 <jonadab> I buffed the heck out of Rogues in other ways.
15:04 <jonadab> Notably with backstab multi-fire.
15:04 <K2> i want to look at role skills with evilhack, tweak them as i feel they should be
15:04 <K2> imagine i'll get complaints too ;)
15:04 <jonadab> Likely.
15:04 <[Demo]6> surprise throne wish!
15:05 <K2> wish me up a ham & cheese samich
15:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nerfbloodpudding (Demo) (Rog Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed speed boots", on T:6075
15:05 <K2> thats not ham & cheese
15:06 <K2> jonadab: i'd like ranger to have two-weaponing skill. traditionally they are supposed to be very skilled at that
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:3831
15:06 <jonadab> K2: Ordinarily I'd agree, but this is NetHack, and pun-based game mechanics are a thing, and Ranger isn't a traditional ranger, it's _the_ ranged-combat role.
15:07 <jonadab> But yes, both Aragorn and Belkar are famous for dual-wielding.
15:07 <K2> but the beauty of open source is, you can change whatever the hell you want as you see fit. you know this better than most
15:07 <jonadab> Sure.
15:07 <K2> so 'this is nethack' doesnt hold
15:08 <jonadab> But if I changed the Ranger role, I'd have to introduce an Archer role or something to replace it.
15:08 <K2> no you dont
15:08 <jonadab> As it stands, the role functions as designed.
15:08 <K2> refer back to 'whatever the hell you want'
15:08 <[Demo]6> combine the trapper role yani with ranger role
15:08 <jonadab> K2: refer back to dtsund's role overhaul proposal.
15:08 <jonadab> Which I mostly agree with.
15:09 <Pinkbeast> Also isn't "traditionally" more "Gygax came up with it in an odd moment"? I don't recall Aragorn doing more than wielding two flaming torches once.
15:09 <K2> hell, gandalf two-weaponed
15:09 <K2> grayswandir and his staff
15:10 <Muad> Glamdring
15:10 <K2> glamswandir
15:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7171
15:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:3469
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15:11 <K2> glamfabulous
15:11 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: I was pretty sure Aragorn used two melee weapons at once in the books.  A sword and a long dagger, IIRC.
15:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law), 2146 points, T:7705, died of starvation, while fainted
15:11 <[Demo]6> nhinlotr
15:12 <jonadab> Belkar is inarguable, it's hard to find a picture of him that *doesn't* have knives in both hands.
15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ele Red Mal Cha), 429 points, T:276, killed by a monster (river moccasin)
15:13 <K2> frodo carried a polaroid with him, he took all sorts of pics of aragon two-weaponing
15:13 <Pinkbeast> Belkar stems from Gygax, though; and I think the Gygaxian ranger is very arbitary, an expert woodsman who's friends to animals (OK), expert archer (yes), and... skilled Florentine fighter because (er?)
15:13 <hothraxxa> dammit. 
15:13 <hothraxxa> k2: another crash
15:13 <K2> hothraxxa ok
15:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 24 darts on an altar, on T:4066
15:17 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: In any case, lore notwithstanding, I'm not proposing that NetHack rangers should two-weapon.  I don't think they should.
15:18 <jonadab> They fit very nicely in the all-ranged-combat role as they stand.  
15:18 <jonadab> Exactly the opposite of Barbarian.
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15:22 <K2> hothraxxa coredump, its exactly the same as before
15:22 <[Demo]6> uhh
15:22 <[Demo]6> somehow my elven daggers ended up in the wall
15:22 <[Demo]6> in a really weird spot
15:22 <jonadab> That's odd.
15:22 <[Demo]6> very weird
15:22 <K2> hothraxxa game recovered
15:23 <jonadab> Was there a monster there, like a xorn?
15:23 <[Demo]6> i emptied out my quiver over a leprechaun halls staircase
15:23 <[Demo]6> no
15:23 <jonadab> Hmm.  Then I have no clue how that could happen.
15:24 <[Demo]6> https://i.imgur.com/vLK2xVQ.png
15:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Ang Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a freezing sphere, on T:16835
15:24 <[Demo]6> blue room is the hall i emptied my quive over, red spots are where i found my last 2 missing daggers
15:25 <hothraxxa> thanks k2
15:26 <jonadab> [Demo]6: That's odd.  That theoretically shouldn't even happen if you teleport the stack.
15:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) defeated Medusa, on T:26332
15:27 <[Demo]6> yeah
15:27 <[Demo]6> plenty of daggers were supposed to be migrated downstairs
15:27 <[Demo]6> maybe those were valid positions on the next level?
15:27 <[Demo]6> infact i think that area lines up with around the stairs on the next level
15:28 <jonadab> Oh, maybe there's something stopping them from going down to the next level somehow.
15:28 <[Demo]6> some went downstairs though
15:28 <jonadab> Hmm.
15:28 <jonadab> Dunno then.
15:28 <jonadab> But yes, it's likely related somehow to that.
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15:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] nerfbloodpudding (Demo) (Rog Elf Fem Cha) entered the Rogue tribute level, on T:8043
15:35 <hothraxxa> k2: i just realized that both crashes were on the first move after changing levels
15:37 <[Demo]6> hmm i got kicked out of the quest... why?
15:37 <[Demo]6> im xp lvl 10 with unknown alignment
15:37 <[Demo]6> im pretty sure fourk is one of those progressive variants that lets you in below xp lvl 14
15:37 <[Demo]6> and i havent done anything to mess up my alignment
15:39 <K2> fourk is very picky about the status of your alignment
15:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6739
15:40 <[Demo]6> yeah i know its notoriously unplayable about that
15:40 <[Demo]6> but i think chaotics have it fine if you dont mess up?
15:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3099
15:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 15806 points, T:7065, killed by a jabberwock
15:43 <[Demo]6> uh, a dragon shitload room, and they are orange, oh well
15:50 <oh6> yeah, I'm seeing the sleeping monsters thing in nethack, too
15:52 <K2> ruh roh
15:52 <K2> send the DT bug report please
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] chika (zor) (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 3084 points, T:529, killed by a goblin
15:53 <oh6> well, I'm not sure it's a bug - they're not all sleeping, it looks like
15:54 <oh6> two grid bugs that just sat there until I hit them, but then another one came in
15:54 <K2> they shouldnt spawn sleeping
15:54 <K2> unless the DT made a recent change
15:55 <K2> but i dont recall reading anything like that
15:56 <[Demo]6> I want a wizmode tool that displays mon and obj struct data of specified mons/objs
15:56 <hothraxxa> The invisible Yeenoghu hurls a potion of blindness! The phial crashes on your head and breaks into shards. It suddenly gets dark.
15:56 <[Demo]6> I feel like it would help find bugs nobody knew existed
15:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:7843
15:56 <hothraxxa> thanks, yeeny!
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3087 points, T:4894, killed by a giant mimic
16:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Karnak (Kni Hum Fem Law), 2023 points, T:3197, killed by a water moccasin
16:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:45580
16:00 <hothraxxa> he confused me while i was blind. i didn't think he could do that
16:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pir Hum Nbn Cha), 399 points, T:1190, taken down by a bugbear, while frozen by a monster's gaze
16:01 <NeroOneTrueKing> So I came across one of my player-monster bones in FIQHack, and the guy is peaceful to me
16:01 <NeroOneTrueKing> And he proceeded to read every cursed scroll of enchant armor he had
16:04 <K2> hahahha
16:04 <K2> i didnt know FIQ had a sense of humor
16:04 <K2> :P
16:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Ang Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:19062
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16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Ang Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19091
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16:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5578
16:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Dispater, on T:45864
16:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:6095
16:29 <K2> rofl
16:29 <jonadab> [Demo]6: Fourk will let you into the quest on sheer audacity if you have _never_ gained an experience level, otherwise you need XL14 same as vanilla.
16:30 <K2> too bad i gotta wiedl it to get the MR
16:30 <K2> wield
16:30 <jonadab> ("never" means "never in the current game, in this context.)
16:30 <[Demo]6> oh wait can i kill the quest leader to get in?
16:30 <jonadab> Not recommended.
16:31 <[Demo]6> ok
16:31 <jonadab> I want to give have the quest leader give you the bell when you show him the quest artifact, so you can get the bell without doing the quest by killing him, but I haven't done that yet.
16:32 <K2> hmm
16:32 <K2> well
16:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Ang Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:19886
16:32 <K2> i guess saccing own race as an orc if neutral is Bad™
16:32 <K2> badbadbadbad
16:32 <jonadab> I mean, it will make the altar chaotic, I believe.
16:33 <jonadab> If you happened to want that.
16:33 <K2> it did
16:33 <K2> i didnt
16:33 <K2> hah
16:33 <K2> oopsies
16:33 <K2> i am now chaotic
16:33 <K2> cant win
16:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 61451 points, T:8720, killed by a gray dragon
16:34 <jonadab> K2: In Fourk, that doesn't make the game unwinnable.
16:34 <K2> yeah
16:34 <K2> i want to do something similar with evilhack. say, you have the option to kill the quest leader to get into the quest. but that would be an option of last resort
16:35 <jonadab> Or just make it so you can convert back.'
16:35 <jonadab> Altars of all three alignments would then make an interesting addition to your proposed optional ice queen branch.
16:36 <jonadab> So if you screw up and convert yourself before the quest, you can go there and find an altar of your original alignment and convert back.
16:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Cha), 13434 points, T:6905, killed by the Oracle
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16:37 <K2> hmm
16:37 <K2> that would be interesting
16:37 <K2> off chance you can get back into your deities' good graces
16:38 <K2> original deity that is
16:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:27655
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16:38 <jonadab> You should be able to, given those changes.
16:39 <rld> <@mtf> xmas party was last night and I've been hungover / sleeping all day
16:39 <rld> <@mtf> bot should be coming back up now
16:39 <K2> hi @mtf
16:39 <rld> <@mtf> also, I've updated it to the newest version (since the new error I'm seeing is.... strange)
16:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:27656
16:39 <rld> <@Tone> I assumed as much :P
16:39 <rld> <@mtf> hey k2 😃
16:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:27657
16:39 <K2> oh hey
16:39 <K2> hi discord
16:39 <rld> <@mtf> waves
16:39 * K2 spams (at)nethack
16:39 <rld> <@mtf> ><
16:40 <jonadab> Oh, Discord people can hear us now, we'll have to stop that conversation.
16:40 <rld> <@mtf> haha
16:41 <K2> :P
16:41 <K2> @mtf who has a work xmas party on a sunday night
16:42 <K2> did you have today off?
16:42 <rld> <@mtf> my weird ass company
16:42 <rld> <@mtf> lol
16:42 <rld> <@mtf> no
16:42 <K2> see
16:42 <K2> that is the dumb
16:42 <rld> <@mtf> I'm just... "working from home" today xD
16:42 <rld> <@mtf> agreed
16:42 <K2> fire HR
16:42 <K2> or smack some sense into them
16:43 <K2> we had a desert mixer this afternoon
16:43 <K2> ppl made deserts and shared
16:43 <rld> <@mtf> HR is in albequerque
16:43 <rld> <@mtf> however you spell that
16:43 <K2> i ate this one piece of cake, made me full half way thru
16:43 <rld> <@mtf> so I can't just reach out and slap one of em ><
16:43 <rld> <@mtf> lol
16:43 <rld> <@mtf> that sounds like fun
16:44 <K2> no
16:44 <K2> it made me sleepy by 2pm
16:44 <K2> but i had to eat it, the girl who made it was all like 'you like it? is it good?'
16:44 <rld> <@mtf> hahaha
16:44 <K2> nomnomnomnom
16:45 <K2> so last week before xmas and its partial ghost town and productivity is shit ;)
16:45 <K2> lets play nethack
16:45 <rld> <@Tone> My company just does these lunch xmas parties now because our accountant got hammered and started hitting on the boss in front of his wife a few years ago
16:46 <K2> thats awesome
16:46 <rld> <@mtf> oh lord
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16:46 <K2> accountant still work there?
16:46 <rld> <@Tone> Usually a bunch of us go out to a bar afterwards though
16:46 <rld> <@mtf> my PM brought edibles and gave them out to select people at the party xD lets just say it was a very amusing time
16:46 <K2> rofl
16:46 <K2> pot brownies!
16:46 <rld> <@Tone> lol wow
16:47 <K2> better life through chemistry
16:47 <K2> oh shit its really snowing
16:47 <K2> it tripped my front yard security camera
16:48 <[Demo]6> oh nice
16:48 <K2> but, but thrus it'll all be gone
16:48 <K2> high of 50 F
16:48 <K2> fucking global warming
16:48 <K2> *by
16:49 <K2> ok everyone, stop generating heat or emissions... now
16:49 <[Demo]6> no its cold lol
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16:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1
16:52 <jonadab> K2: Some day we will all have to move to Nunavut to escape the heat.
16:52 <K2> probably
16:52 <K2> sounds like a small village inside the artic circle
16:53 <jonadab> Small, lol
16:53 <K2> we can watch the polar ice caps and glaciers melt
16:53 <jonadab> Only small in population density.
16:53 <jonadab> Geographically speaking, Nunavut is *much* larger than Ohio, let alone Vermont.
16:54 <jonadab> Seven hundred and some odd square miles.
16:54 <K2> oh its a territory?
16:54 <jonadab> Err, seven hundred and some odd *thousand* square miles, I mean.
16:54 <jonadab> Yes, it's a territory.
16:54 <K2> i see
16:54 <K2> just looked it up
16:55 <K2> yeah we could definitely watch ice melt
16:55 <K2> 680,000 square miles
16:55 <jonadab> I believe the biggest "city" is iqualuit.
16:55 <jonadab> Err, Iqaluit
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16:57 <jonadab> But anyway, yeah, Nunavut has a population density that makes Alaska look urban.
16:57 <rld> <@Tone> !ping
16:57 <Beholder> @Tone: Pong! 
16:57 <K2> 'Alert, in the Qikiqtaaluk Region, Nunavut, Canada, is the northernmost permanently inhabited place in the world, at latitude 82°30'05" north, 817 kilometres (508 mi) from the North Pole.'
16:57 <K2> lets go!
16:57 <rld> <@Tone> heh
16:58 <K2> total population 62
16:59 <K2> average high temp in the summer is 42 F
16:59 <jonadab> Actually, K2, you have military connections.  Could those connections get you into Amundsen-Scott?
16:59 <K2> doubt it
16:59 <rld> <@mtf> you'r ekidding me
17:00 <rld> <@mtf> !ping
17:00 <Beholder> @mtf: Pong! 
17:00 <rld> <@mtf> ..... I literally just restarted it
17:00 <K2> ok time to go
17:00 <K2> bbl
17:00 <rld> <@Tone> Yeah that's a new record
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17:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] tomas (zor) (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:2599
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17:07 <rld> <@mtf> !ping
17:07 <Beholder> @mtf: Pong! 
17:07 <rld> <@mtf> ok I have modified the config, should be using SASL now
17:07 <rld> <@mtf> no longer seending the nickserv commands
17:07 <rld> <@mtf> lets see how this goes
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17:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] tomas (zor) (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:3294
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17:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:46141
17:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:34652
17:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2497 points, T:3653, killed by a dwarf
17:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:34770
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17:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4209736 points, T:39482, killed by a black pudding
18:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:35636
18:05 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> can you not bribe at all if you're lawful?
18:06 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> excal
18:06 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> i have excalibur, but wasn't weilding it at the time, but asmo attacked me
18:06 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> does it just have to be in inventory?
18:06 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> i made sure to not weild it
18:06 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> if you have out when entering the level
18:06 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> they will know
18:06 <hothraxxa> those bastards
18:06 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> ah, wiki could be clearer. I really should've made an account for all these little things i'm finding 😃
18:06 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> or just download lux's brain
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:35889
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:36017
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9324
18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Ang Fem Law), 157211 points, T:26001, killed by a death ray
18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Law), 43682 points, T:4023, quit
18:16 <bouquet> ugh.
18:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36299
18:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36301
18:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:36541
18:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4353
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18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:37011
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18:43 <FlamingGuacamole> anyone remember me?
18:43 <Beholder> FlamingGuacamole: Message from aosdict at 2018-09-19 17:19 EST: All ideas are laid bare to SLEX. Especially after they've been implemented.
18:43 <K2> yup
18:43 <FlamingGuacamole> its been a while
18:43 <K2> how could anyone forget guac thats on fire?
18:44 <FlamingGuacamole> haha
18:44 <K2> ;)
18:44 <K2> hows it?
18:44 <FlamingGuacamole> good
18:44 <FlamingGuacamole> real life got in the way, so i haven't played nethack in a while
18:45 <K2> it happens
18:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:47105
18:45 <K2> hdf-us migrated to a new location, so you'll get a new ssh fingerprint
18:46 <FlamingGuacamole> i forgot my pw anyway
18:46 <K2> you can check it again what's posted at https://www.hardfought.org/nethack if that's the sort of thing that concerns you
18:46 <K2> heh
18:47 <K2> hmm thats something else i need Tangles help with. current password reset script doesnt work since we upgraded dgamelaunch to use a different (better) hash
18:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37642
18:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:37648
18:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3117 points, T:1957, killed by a snake
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18:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:37664
18:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:37799
18:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:37800
18:54 <FlamingGuacamole> must be nice. my record is dlvl 11
18:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 555 points, T:724, killed by a little dog
18:54 <FlamingGuacamole> keep going icebox, we're rooting for you
18:54 <K2> @mtf is rld bot working still?
18:55 <K2> hmm maybe not
18:55 <rld> <@mtf> it is
18:55 <rld> <@mtf> yes
18:55 <K2> oh yay
18:55 <K2> heh
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18:55 <K2> go ChristmIceBox go
18:55 <K2> oops
18:56 <K2> go @ChristmIceBox go
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) received Vorpal Blade from Venus, on T:4115
18:56 <rld> <@mtf> k2: we're using SASL now, so hopefully there will be no more problems
18:56 <rld> <@mtf> guess we'll find out
18:56 <K2> ok cool
18:56 <K2> SASL good
18:57 <K2> make the NSA work for it
19:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:38789
19:04 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> that was the most preposterously lucky lawful gehennom ever
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19:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1915 points, T:2008, killed by a bolt of fire
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19:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:39894
19:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:40100
19:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1841202 points, T:40119, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/I/IceBox/nh361/dumplog/1544737716.nh361.txt
19:18 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> gg icebox
19:18 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> sometimes you kinda hope for a longer time on astral
19:18 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> but the rush ends as soon as you find your altar
19:18 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> and ty
19:18 <[Demo]6> nice work
19:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Booker (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2779 points, T:2218, killed by a wand
19:18 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> you don't want a longer time on astral trust me
19:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2730 points, T:1470, killed by a mumak
19:19 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> yeah way better to end before your resources are gone
19:19 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> was low on tele wands that run, so i would've had to murder my way through lots
19:22 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> @iyarkonan how the hell do you get grayswandir every game
19:22 <K2> hax
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19:26 <rld> <@ChristmIceBox> probably all that fountain quaffing
19:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed platinum yendorian express card", on T:28674
19:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed stormbringer", on T:28675
19:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed master key of thievery", on T:28676
19:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed master key of thievery", on T:28746
19:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] smitty (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wolf, on T:13790
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19:44 <shadowcat22> hi all
19:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:3578
19:47 <eraserhead> if I zap items in a shop with a /oTeleportation, will I aggro the shopkeeper or will he just make me pay?
19:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3641
19:49 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> he charges you
19:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] Shadowcat (shadowcat) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 56974 points, T:9396, killed by a killer bee
19:55 <eraserhead> Luxcalibur: ty ^^
20:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 11614 points, T:4840, killed by a black pudding, while praying
20:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Dwa Fem Law), 688 points, T:2069, killed by a little dog
20:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +7 gray dragon scale mail", on T:352
20:03 <[Demo]6> go big or go home
20:03 <Xaleth> It didn't give me a +7, instead it gave me +0 
20:04 <Xaleth> :(
20:04 <NeroOneTrueKing> I believe it will never grant a +7
20:04 <Xaleth> What's the maximum enchantment for GDSM?
20:04 <NeroOneTrueKing> +5
20:04 <Xaleth> Oh :(
20:04 <NeroOneTrueKing> And even then, you're unlikely to get it
20:05 <Xaleth> why not?
20:05 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> so you have an 80% chance of getting +2, 60% chance of +3, etc.
20:05 <NeroOneTrueKing> The chance of your wish actually giving you the enchantment you wish for decreases as you ask for higher-enchanted gear
20:06 <NeroOneTrueKing> Usually, I wish for +3, but others may prefer +2 or +4
20:06 <Xaleth> oh, so mine was too high
20:06 <Xaleth> TIL
20:11 <rld> <@iyarkonan> @Luxcalibur raw skill
20:11 <rld> <@iyarkonan> and spending about 7k turns on a dlvl1 altar
20:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a goblin corpse, on T:4707
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20:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2885
20:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "efihu", on T:4897
20:17 <shadowcat22> plate mail or dwarvish mithril?
20:17 <shadowcat22> i'm a dwarven valk
20:18 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> plate is too heavy
20:18 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> @iyarkonan teach me your ways, I want grayswandir and god tier scroll shops like that one you just found
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20:20 <rld> <@iyarkonan> great power comes with great cost
20:20 <rld> <iyarkonan> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/524395454268571653/unknown.png
20:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1331 points, T:5274, killed by a water demon
20:20 <rld> <@iyarkonan> yuh i tried
20:20 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> y
20:21 <rld> <@iyarkonan> all you need is a macro thats n 999 .
20:21 <rld> <@iyarkonan> and a dlvl 1 altar
20:21 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> why did you do that
20:21 <rld> <@iyarkonan> i forgot how high leveled i was
20:21 <rld> <@iyarkonan> praying did not restore as much health as i wouldve liked
20:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of hiking boots on an altar, on T:4055
20:24 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> it's ok you can just get grayswandir again
20:24 <rld> <@iyarkonan> basicly
20:24 <rld> <@iyarkonan> if theres no dlvl 1 altar, consider restarting because the game glitched
20:25 <rld> <@iyarkonan> you can check for a dlvl 2 altar, but if that doesnt exist, then the game encountered something just short of a fatal error
20:25 <rld> <@iyarkonan> and restarting is very advised
20:25 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> I thought the game was bugged if you don't get a fountain wish
20:26 <rld> <@iyarkonan> surprisingly, its only bugged if it summons a hostile water demon
20:26 <rld> <@iyarkonan> sometimes you dont get any demon which is okay
20:26 <rld> <@iyarkonan> but the hostility is a bug
20:26 <rld> <@iyarkonan> dev team is looking into it
20:26 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> water moccasins are ok?
20:26 <rld> <@iyarkonan> those are snakes not bugs
20:27 <rld> <@iyarkonan> unintended snakes, though
20:27 <rld> <@iyarkonan> those and nymphs fall under the hostile bug too
20:28 <rld> <@iyarkonan> sneks are supposed to be a free 2-5 pets
20:29 <rld> <@iyarkonan> and nymphs are supposed to be similar to the whole incubus/succubus thing
20:31 <rld> <@iyarkonan> ok this small mimic is a bug
20:31 <K2> rofl
20:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law), 232 points, T:1098, killed by a small mimic
20:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] Shadowcat (shadowcat) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 45101 points, T:3446, killed by a couatl of Tyr
20:33 <K2> hi. please come and play EasyHack, it's new. if a monster attacks you, please let me know, cuz that's a bug
20:33 <K2> lol
20:33 <rld> <@iyarkonan> i just walked into a trap. where do i send bug reports?
20:33 <K2> bugs@easyhack.org
20:34 <rld> <@iyarkonan> cool, will send logs of the encounter
20:34 <jonadab> K2: Are you hosting microhack yet?
20:34 <rld> <@iyarkonan> i cant see this path by this doorway, should i report this too?
20:34 <rld> <@iyarkonan> lol imagine a game of nethack where all you had to do was walk the amulet from one side of a room to the other
20:35 <K2> jonadab: no. it looked too difficult for ppl to want to play
20:35 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> what?
20:35 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> you better host it K2
20:35 <K2> or.... ?
20:35 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> how else are we playing it during junethack
20:35 <rld> <@iyarkonan> i bet ill get first microhack ascension
20:35 <jonadab> Does microhack even have xlogfile?
20:35 <rld> <@iyarkonan> im really good at holding down movement keys
20:35 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> several people have beaten you to that already
20:36 <rld> <@iyarkonan> darn. i guess it was too easy
20:36 <K2> isnt bhaak the record holder?
20:36 <K2> 0 turn asc
20:36 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> no because you have to take 2 steps
20:36 <K2> awww
20:36 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> bhaak is the record holder though
20:37 <rld> <@iyarkonan> one turn to pick up the amulet, one to step one space, another to offer
20:37 <rld> <@iyarkonan> unless you start with speed
20:37 <rld> <@iyarkonan> then you get a running start
20:37 <PavelB> How do you start with the amulet
20:37 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> PavelB: play the demigod role
20:38 <K2> hax
20:38 <rld> <@iyarkonan> they give it to you when you first enter the dungeon
20:38 <rld> <@iyarkonan> as a token of good luck
20:38 <Xaleth> I am wearing a GDSM and yet I'm still suffering the effects of a magic trap
20:38 <PavelB> I was hopin there was an interesting glitch here
20:39 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> if a major nethack sequence break is ever discovered, I'd be very interested to know
20:39 <eraserhead> Xaleth: that sounds weird - are you playing vanilla?
20:39 <jonadab> EPI: a type of trap that destroys all your inventory if you have magic resistance, and is impossible to trigger otherwise.
20:40 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> magic trap effects aren't prevented by magic resistance
20:40 <Pinkbeast> jonadab: Making Excalibur king of the artifacts :-)
20:41 <rld> <@iyarkonan> 2x3 health food store, no altar, dlv3. i should just swing at the shopkeep and give up
20:41 <rld> <@iyarkonan> games are glitching bad on hardfought today :(
20:41 <eraserhead> a wtf potion that randomly shuffles your keyboard
20:41 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> stop scumming
20:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] Shadowcat (shadowcat) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25222 points, T:1457, killed by a giant ant
20:42 <Xaleth> eraserhead: yeah
20:42 <Pinkbeast> eraserhead: Already in SLEX?
20:42 <K2> i think slex already does that?
20:42 <K2> trap that reassigns key commands
20:42 <eraserhead> hahaha - didn't know that ^^
20:44 <rld> <@iyarkonan> but i still have my Never Scum a Game trophy
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20:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 702958 points, T:20089, caught himself in his own fireball
20:51 <rld> <@Luxcalibur> !lastgame
20:51 <Beholder> @Luxcalibur: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nh343/dumplog/1545094910.nh343.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aoei/nh361/dumplog/1545085657.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nh361/dumplog/1545032615.nh361.txt
20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Arc Hum Fem Law), 762 points, T:2524, killed by a golden naga hatchling, while praying
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21:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "the blessed Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:11231
21:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7258
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21:08 <eraserhead> Only general stores will buy gems?  Any other kind of shops?
21:08 <rld> <@Zachary> i think ring/amulet shops will but they are quite rare
21:09 <eraserhead> Zachary: ah - like a jewelry store?  none in this instance...
21:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the ghost of NeroOneTrueKing, the former Magician, on T:11732
21:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:2271
21:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 188 points, T:943, killed by a potion of holy water
21:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30288
21:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3740
21:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 13872 points, T:6693, killed by a troll
21:42 <eraserhead> Xp:11 Lawful Knight (no MR,no ref) - did Soko, haven't done Medusa, Castle - wish: SDSM or GDSM?
21:42 <eraserhead> I'm leaning towards SDSM, but not sure...
21:43 <eraserhead> !rng SDSM GDSM
21:43 <Beholder> eraserhead: GDSM
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21:45 <eraserhead> guess I can try GDSM and roll the dice on getting reflection @ medusa
21:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:17366
21:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Ran Elf Fem Cha) murdered Sirius, her faithful little dog, on T:1223
21:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) defeated the invisible Medusa, on T:13066
21:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:4320
21:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] smitty (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 149469 points, T:17841, killed by a death ray
21:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11557
21:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) genocided class 'L', on T:13343
22:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) genocided class 'h', on T:30449
22:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:13759
22:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:13759
22:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a violet fungus, on T:5590
22:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:18356
22:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7315
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22:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4165 points, T:2384, killed by a crocodile, while praying
22:40 <eraserhead> there's a dearth of unicorn in this game - only one I've seen is a co-aligned one at Minetown - I'm tempted to kill it for the unihorn 8^P
22:40 <Andrio> Do it
22:41 <Andrio> Preferably with a pet.
22:41 <Andrio> or watchman.
22:41 <eraserhead> Andrio: ok ^^ thx for tip
22:42 <Andrio> Do you know what happens if you kill it yourself?
22:43 <eraserhead> Besides alignment penalty, anything else?
22:45 <Andrio> Luck penalty if I remember correctly
22:45 <eraserhead> but if I already have a luckstone, will that penalty still apply?
22:46 <Andrio> Yes.
22:46 <eraserhead> wait - luckstone only affects timeouts - I guess I'll still get that penalty - just realized it
22:46 <Andrio> It just stops you luck from timing out maybe
22:46 <Andrio> which means if it's not blessed, the penalty won't time out either.
22:47 <eraserhead> but I can recover luck/alignment - just have to make sure I don't need it close to the "unihorn reaping time"
22:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2712 points, T:3354, killed by invisible Mr. Beddgelert; the shopkeeper, while frozen by a potion
22:48 <Pinkbeast> The alignment penalty will ordinarily prove irrelevant, the luck wants a bit of thought
22:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1619 points, T:1553, killed by a djinni
22:50 <eraserhead> Pinkbeast: is killing mobs typically the way to get luck back or what do you suggest?
22:50 <eraserhead> Pinkbeast: that wiki is monstrously long (the one on luck)
22:50 <Andrio> That's what one would normally do with a co-aligned unicorn, or by sacrifice
22:50 <Pinkbeast> eraserhead: No, not least because killing monsters doesn't normally change Luck, especially not for the betetr.
22:51 <eraserhead> Pinkbeast: #offer on the altar?  (but not the co-aligned uni 8^P
22:52 <Pinkbeast> eraserhead: http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/343/gems-343.html#luck
22:53 <eraserhead> Pinkbeast: thx for link - looks like sacfest...
22:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) defeated Scorpius, on T:16130
23:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) defeated Vlad the Impaler, on T:32345
23:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "the greased holy platinum yendorian express card", on T:32461
23:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "3 blessed potions of wonder", on T:16877
23:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:18033
23:14 <Xaleth> Learned my lesson from last time and applied it her.
23:14 <Xaleth> here*
23:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:16966
23:18 <Xaleth> There's a master lich hunting me and he's currently upstairs--I have 10 HP.
23:18 <Xaleth> What do I do?
23:19 <Pinkbeast> Don't go upstairs
23:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7062
23:19 <Xaleth> But he can go downstairs.
23:19 <Xaleth> Like I said, he's hunting me.
23:19 <Pinkbeast> Wrong.
23:19 <Xaleth> He teleported upstairs to heal.
23:19 <Pinkbeast> A monster on a level you are not cannot do anything at all.
23:19 <Xaleth> Ok
23:20 <Pinkbeast> Monsters do not teleport upstairs.
23:20 <Pinkbeast> So, did the lich teleport _to the upstairs_ or did it _go upstairs_?
23:21 <Xaleth> Teleport
23:21 <Pinkbeast> And have you checked with telepathy to see if it, having done so, went upstairs?
23:21 <Pinkbeast> NB I am not saying "check with telepathy"; I'm asking if you have done so.
23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:17036
23:23 <Xaleth> I didn't.
23:23 <Pinkbeast> Probably then it stayed on the level (on the upstairs) and will soon teleport back to you. Where in the dungeon are you?
23:24 <Xaleth> Castle.
23:25 <Xaleth> Lich is above in medusa
23:25 <Pinkbeast> Xaleth: It is? I thought you just said you had no reason to think it went upstairs.
23:26 <Xaleth> I went upstairs to check
23:26 <Xaleth> The master lich is there
23:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4934 points, T:8108, killed by a dwarf king
23:26 <Pinkbeast> Xaleth: So when I asked "did it go upstairs"...
23:27 <Xaleth> I was at a good distance from the stairs when the master lich  next to me suddenly disappeared, and when I checked upstairs, he was there, meaning he teleported upstairs.
23:27 <Xaleth> Will he teleport back to me?
23:28 <Pinkbeast> This is a very confused account. Why did you go upstairs to find a monster that was killing you?
23:28 <Pinkbeast> And no, as I've told you, monsters do not teleport upstairs.
23:30 <Xaleth> I went upstairs to attempt to finish off the lich, which was a failure considering I had 10 HP, and ok, that lich didn't teleport upstairs TIL.
23:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:20504
23:31 <Pinkbeast> Xaleth: So perhaps where we begin is on Medusa, with 10 HP and a master lich, at which point you went downstairs?
23:31 <Xaleth> Immediately after I spotted the lich via telepathy
23:32 <eraserhead> ug - no shield of reflection (Perseus) 8^P
23:32 <Pinkbeast> Was the lich on Medusa, perhaps, on Medusa's upstairs?
23:32 <Xaleth> A good distance from Medusa's upstairs.
23:33 <Pinkbeast> But anyway, if you went downstairs from Medusa and the lich wasn't next to you, you left it behind, so you are safe from it.
23:33 <eraserhead> Xaleth: what happened?  did you lose Medusa?
23:33 <eraserhead> or trapped by Lich?
23:34 <Xaleth> I'm still alive, in castle. I'm going to go upstairs and deal with the lich before he summons nasties everywhere.
23:35 <Pinkbeast> Xaleth: NO
23:35 <Xaleth> After I get wand of wishing.
23:35 <Xaleth> Why/
23:35 <Xaleth> ?
23:35 <Pinkbeast> Xaleth: Please _read_ what you are _told_.
23:35 <Pinkbeast> A monster that is not on the same level as you can do NOTHING AT ALL.
23:35 <Pinkbeast> The lich will not summon nasties everywhere.
23:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5800
23:36 <eraserhead> Xaleth: Pinkbeast is right - as long as that L isn't on your level, it can't summon or do anything
23:36 <ShivanHunter> to be more specific, nothing ever happens at all on a level while you're not on it
23:37 <Pinkbeast> ... modulo timed effects like corpses getting manky and light sources burning away
23:37 <eraserhead> time stops, essentially (or time only moves on the level you're on)
23:37 <ShivanHunter> there are corner cases - when you return the game might have decided "that troll corpse revived while you were gone"
23:37 <Xaleth> ok
23:37 <[Demo]6> monster and object migrations
23:37 <ShivanHunter> but monsters will never take actions on their own unless you're on the level with them
23:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6115
23:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Sam Hum Mal Law), 41982 points, T:13093, killed by a troll
23:40 <eraserhead> Anyone ever take castle without reflection (just MR)?  Just watch for wands and breath?
23:40 <Xaleth> I profusely apologize for wasting your time, I could've just read the differing characteristics of a roguelike (time stops on other levels you're not on).
23:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6571
23:40 <eraserhead> Xaleth: hehe - no worries - NH is an extremely-intricate game with tons of rules/corner cases
23:41 <Pinkbeast> eraserhead: Pretty sure I've done at least one whole game without reflection - once you have all the resistances wands and breath are mostly just annoying
23:41 <eraserhead> Pinkbeast: that's reassuring - ty ^^
23:41 <Pinkbeast> Xaleth: Don't over-egg the pudding; just please read replies to you carefully.
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23:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:18931
23:46 <Xaleth> First time in gehennom
23:46 <Xaleth> I won't sweat it.
23:46 <Pinkbeast> Er. Then perhaps the answer to having 10HP was to drink one of the full healings you should have with you...
23:47 <Xaleth> I didn't have any type of healing object with me.
23:48 <Xaleth> Nothing
23:49 <Pinkbeast> Mmm. That might be something to correct next time, then - perhaps even to return to your stash if you have teleport control and correct now, although you'll probably find some PoFH in the Valley
23:50 <Xaleth> I don't have any now either because some stupid dragons destroyed *all* my potions.
23:50 <Xaleth> PoFH?
23:50 <Pinkbeast> Don't carry potions in main inventory.
23:50 <Andrio> (or at least, not all of them)
23:52 <Xaleth> My dragon scale mail was trashed, how do I craft a new one from dragon scales?
23:52 <NeroOneTrueKing> The human zombiepriest of Moloch intones: "Pilgrim, you enter a sacred place!"
23:52 <Pinkbeast> How was it trashed?
23:53 <Xaleth> Idk, I think it happenened after I ate a black dragon corpse.
23:54 <Pinkbeast> That would not destroy your armour. It might be worth reviewing the ttyrec to discover how it happened, to avoid it next time.
23:54 <Xaleth> yeah
23:56 <Xaleth> Anyways, now I have an  AC of 1. not good
23:57 <ShivanHunter> did you polymorph into a dragon? That leaves you with the scales
23:57 <ShivanHunter> (If you polymorphed into a dragon then your real problem is lack of magic resistance)
23:57 <Xaleth> I didn't. (started with GDSM
23:57 <Xaleth> )
23:58 <ShivanHunter> ah
23:58 <Pinkbeast> If you save up and tell us I'll take a look at the ttyrec now
23:58 <ShivanHunter> then yes, definitely worth figuring out
23:58 <ShivanHunter> I think you can see ttyrecs even if the game's not saved
23:58 <ShivanHunter> I've looked at a few IIRC without bothering to save
23:59 <Xaleth> I have a wand of wishing right now,
23:59 <Xaleth> should I wish for another GDSM?