00:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:8816 00:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:8817 00:15 Chris_ANG: People want MORE power for wizard spells? 00:15 aosdict: Message from NeroOneTrueKing at 2018-12-15 23:32 EST: error message on attempting to dip a scroll into a sink: "non-potion dipped into sink" 00:16 !who 00:16 K2: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh362] oh6 [nh362] Menche [nh362] Antichthon [slex] NeroOneTrueKing [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:16 NeroOneTrueKing: Obviously, it's impossible() to dip a non-potion into a sink. :P 00:22 huh a bunch of named orcs 00:22 the occupiers of orc town are part of the same tribe now? 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Arc Dwa Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3419 00:24 heh, I really hadn't done that yet? 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Arc Dwa Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dwarvish mattock on an altar, on T:3985 00:30 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Arc Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:4018 00:31 ow 00:31 owoooooo? 00:31 OwO 00:32 5🐺 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2868 points, T:4057, killed by a rabid rat 00:33 :( 00:33 Elbereth no worky 01:03 it got nerfed 01:04 although it got nerfed in different ways, depending on the variant 01:36 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:38 !ping 01:38 eraserhead: Pong! 01:39 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 02:00 -!- eraserhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] dreadpirateA (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 518 points, T:1752, killed by a giant bat 02:24 @Luxcalibur : The engrave.c bug you reported appears to go all the way back to Hack 1.0. K2: I pushed a fix for it to Fourk. In addition to the impossible(), there is probably a (small) amount of memory leaked each time an engraving is deleted that isn't the first one on the level's linked list of engravings. 02:24 jonadab: Messages from @Luxcalibur have been forwarded to you privately. 02:25 @Luxcalibur : I have questions about "Your ice are stuck in the floor!" 1. What race/role/polyform were you? 2. Did being stuck in the floor make sense in context (i.e., are we talking about the wording of the message, especially "Your ice"), or was this message completely out of place altogether? 02:27 K2: At your leisure, can I get a copy of Luxcalibur's game that segfaults if he attempts to continue? Apparently he's just entering the Astral Plane. Or trying to. 02:29 Also, whoever maintains Beholder: this doesn't matter to me because I have backscroll, but when Beholder says "Messages from @Luxcalibur have been forwarded to you privately.", that does not appear to have actually happened. 02:29 Does Tangles maintain Beholder, or is that K2? 02:29 Tangles 02:29 Ok. 02:30 I *think* it runs on K2's servers (?) but Tangles does the code for it 02:30 Right, that fits what I think I know too. 02:31 <@ChristmIceBox> chiming in to say that i agree upon that perceived state of things 02:40 <@Luxcalibur> jonadab: "Your ice are stuck in the floor!" occurred when I tried to do something to escape an ice devil's freezing attack. It just seemed strange to me that it would suddenly refer to my lower limbs as ice 02:41 <@Luxcalibur> I was your average elf rogue 02:41 Ah. 02:42 Ok, so two weird things: "in the floor" is probably wrong, and "Your ice" is odd. 02:42 Thanks for clarification. 02:43 <@Luxcalibur> also your advent calendar doesn't seem to have the numbers in front of the doors 02:43 Hmm. This would be a good month for me to debug that, too. 02:48 <@ChristmIceBox> wait there's a nethack variant with an advent calendar in it? 02:48 <@ChristmIceBox> hold. the. phone. 02:48 <@Luxcalibur> there’s more than one in fact 02:48 <@ChristmIceBox> screenshot, what does that even look like? 02:51 <@Luxcalibur> took me a minute to get there @ChristmIceBox 02:51 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/523769236653604875/derples.png 02:52 <@Luxcalibur> each door has a number in front of it, and can only be opened on that day 02:52 <@ChristmIceBox> magical!, so it's on dungeon level 2? 02:52 <@ChristmIceBox> and i presume it only appears during this month? 02:52 <@Luxcalibur> yep 02:52 <@ChristmIceBox> so you'd have to keep your game going all month to open them all? 02:53 <@ChristmIceBox> well, till christmas 02:53 <@Luxcalibur> right, but most of them are garbage. I think on the 24th you get a magic tool though 02:53 <@ChristmIceBox> which is still not worth dragging a game out for a month 02:53 <@ChristmIceBox> sounds like a good day to start a game though 02:54 <@Luxcalibur> yeah you can start on the 24th and collect your free magic marker/whatever 02:54 <@ChristmIceBox> horn of plenty, pls 02:54 <@Luxcalibur> all the confetti on the ground are worthless glass, so you can make some pocket change selling them 02:56 <@Luxcalibur> today's prize is.... a candy bar 02:57 <@Luxcalibur> jonadab: in fourk you can kick down the other doors, unlike the un implementation 02:58 @Luxcalibur Oh, that's a bug, thanks for reporting it. 02:59 Those doors are supposed to be invulnerable. 03:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:24 Annual events are a really neat idea, huh. There should be more of them \o/ 03:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:20459 03:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22616 03:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:22822 03:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:04 PavelB: there's pi day and pi approximation day :-) 04:04 also towel day 04:06 hmm, and april fools' day. who did that? oh, it was me. what does it do? hmm, not much. that one could use expansion 04:12 aosdict: I'm not sure what to do with the vanilla-nethack repository. tracking vanilla doesn't make much sense anymore as it is now on git itself. maybe the reasonable thing would be to dump the leak in it and then get it up to a connection point with 3.6. 04:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:30 @Luxcalibur: found out why the alias name selection was showing wrong alignments! it will be fixed in the next update :) 04:35 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:04 @Luxcalibur a quick test (allowing everybody to handle boulders like giants) doesn't show any difference between throwing boulders or shooting them with giantslayer. don't know where I would have to fiddle to make that work differently (that's also due to me not having a thorough understanding of the throw/launcher code) 05:05 !tell K2 pushed a couple fixes for slex. I'll probably savebreak after this bunch of commits, and make a 2.4.2 compatibility branch for slex (will tell you when that happens). :) 05:05 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, LarienTelrunya. 05:10 -!- UsagiMero has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:13 !tell Tangles_ spam 05:13 No worries, Tangles, I've got this! 05:13 !tell Tangles_ spam spam 05:13 No worries, Tangles, I've got this! 05:13 !tell Tangles_ spam spam spam 05:13 I'm on it, Tangles. 05:13 !tell Tangles_ spam spam spam spam 05:13 Tangles_ shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Tangles. 05:13 -!- Tangles is now known as Tangles_ 05:13 spam? 05:13 Tangles_: Messages from Tangles have been forwarded to you privately. 05:13 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 05:17 jonadab: Works for me, and I could not find any errors in the logs that would indicate a failure when Luxidream's messages were sent. 05:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] haughsee (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 358 points, T:1899, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 05:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 548 points, T:1180, killed by a giant bat 05:38 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 621 points, T:1023, killed by a giant bat 06:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by writing a scroll, on T:4875 06:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:5997 06:14 wat do 06:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 8167 points, T:5769, killed by a swamp kobold 06:51 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:26 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 5694 points, T:3071, killed by a gnome lord, while helpless 07:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 363 points, T:652, killed by a hobbit 07:33 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 138 points, T:254, killed by Ms. Wonotobo, the shopkeeper 07:39 grats 07:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:21 bhaak: Well, the laziest solution is just to change the name and description to include 3.4.3 in them :) 08:49 rip +o 2018-2018 #neverforget 08:49 !who 08:49 FIQ: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm] rebatela [nh362] | [hdf-eu] porkman [slex] | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 08:50 didn't even notice the loss until someone pointed it out lol 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:11693 09:31 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 09:31 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 09:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] haughsee (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 196 points, T:1084, killed by a small mimic 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a leather golem, on T:3326 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3544 09:55 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5072 points, T:4043, killed by a bolt of lightning 10:00 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 137 points, T:373, killed by a jackal 10:00 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] haughsee (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 61 points, T:505, killed by a water demon 10:08 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1036 points, T:880, killed by a dwarf 10:09 FIQ: YANI for a nice double-edged object property: sacrificial. When X bad thing happens to you (I was thinking of life drainage but you could take your pick of bad stuff), if you have a sacrificial object equipped, that object will disintegrate in order to nullify the effect. 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:63386 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:1931 10:20 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 10:23 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3835 points, T:2639, killed by an ettin mummy 10:25 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:35774 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3762 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9957 points, T:4009, killed by an earth elemental 10:29 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:36004 10:29 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36005 10:34 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 10:35 !lastgame 10:35 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dgoddard/nh361/dumplog/1544972245.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/slex/dumplog/1544954531.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nh361/dumplog/1544828658.nh361.txt 10:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:815 10:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:56 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu), 1714015 points, T:36493, killed by an Angel of Moloch (with the Amulet) 10:56 qgdammit 10:56 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-12-16 05:05 EST: pushed a couple fixes for slex. I'll probably savebreak after this bunch of commits, and make a 2.4.2 compatibility branch for slex (will tell you when that happens). :) 10:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:10422 10:59 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:07 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) had katana bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4225 11:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:10908 11:11 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law), 5073 points, T:4797, killed by a jackal, while paralyzed 11:11 <[Demo]5> whoops, thought that was an ettin mummy 11:11 <[Demo]5> !lastgame Demo 11:11 [Demo]5: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo/gh/dumplog/1543786932.gh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo/dnethack/dumplog/1533070765.dnh.txt 11:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 9497 points, T:4305, poisoned by a rotted large mimic corpse 11:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:11636 11:30 Hmm, life draining artifacts seem not to call resists_drli()? 11:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:12055 11:33 what, even the Staff in vanilla? 11:34 Well, the anti-drain-life feature I just added seems to be triggering fine if I attack monsters as a wraith or something, but not when I hit them with Stormbringer. 11:39 arghhhh the artifact code is so tangled 11:41 both tangled and hardcoded mess 11:41 [hdf-us] [4k] Special delivery!!!!!! (Luxidream) (Rog Elf Fem Cha) reached the Astral Plane, on T:50048 11:42 now the feature triggers even when something *misses* with Stormbringer 11:42 'the hammer strikes with lightning' or w/e 11:42 devteam: we will never make another shock weapon 11:42 yes, the hcolor(NH_BLACK) blade draws the life, etc etc 11:43 yep 11:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 7465 points, T:10794, killed by a rothe 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh4] did I ask for your opinion? (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Mal Law), 23190 points, T:798, killed by a gnome king 11:46 Luxidream1: "Special delivery!!!" Luxidream2: "Did I ask for your opinion?" Luxidream1: "Delivery!!!!" 11:46 @Luxidream are you parking ascs for some reason 11:48 aosdict: is your GH account copperwater? 11:48 yes 11:48 oh 11:50 <@Luxcalibur> no, but I do have some old stale games that are ascendable that I should look at eventually 11:50 i was waiting for a secret message too 11:50 I meant more with the 4k game that reached the astral plane and then you switched over to nh4 11:51 [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 324 points, T:481, killed by a boulder 11:51 <[Demo]5> wtf 11:51 is astral still borked in 4k? 11:51 <@Luxcalibur> still? 11:51 <@Luxcalibur> have other people had the same problem? 11:51 i thought you had some problems yesterday? 11:51 YANI: new tin preparation method, "stale". Doesn't give all that much nutrition. 11:51 'still borked for you' 11:52 <@Luxcalibur> yeah, unfortunately 11:52 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail named the Scales of the Dragon King", on T:12596 11:57 Everyone knows that the dragons have a queen, not a king! 11:58 The King is dead, long live the Queen! 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] haughsee (Sam Hum Fem Law), 82 points, T:326, killed by a magic missile 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of life savin", on T:12615 11:59 oops 11:59 o - a blessed amulet of ESP 12:00 <@Tone> heh 12:05 final season coming out next year! 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] haughsee (Val Dwa Fem Law), 415 points, T:909, killed by a little dog 12:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:12853 12:14 Life Savin' 12:14 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:16 Luckily for me, it polymorphed into a gold amulet of life saving 12:19 shiny! 12:23 @rikersan Another wheel of time artifact that I don't think got brought up is the Foxhead Medallion, it would be an amulet that grants magic resistance when worn, but I'm not sure what the base type would be. Something weak like unchanging, probably. 12:24 <@Luxcalibur> But we already have an amulet that gives life saving when worn 12:25 <@Luxcalibur> magic resistance when worn* 12:25 So? And it's a quest artifact. 12:26 <@Luxcalibur> actually an amulet of life saving and magic resistance is interesting, because if you die, you lose magic resistance 12:26 [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 13396 points, T:5738, killed by a soldier ant 12:29 Tangles: The messages from Beholder have in fact arrived now. Not sure why I wasn't seeing them last night. 12:41 aosdict: error message on Asmodeus appearing next to me to offer a bribe: "still can't see monster?" 12:41 *sigh* every time I think I've stamped out all of these cases... 12:42 did he warp next to you? 12:42 or did you move next to him? 12:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:13899 12:44 he warped next to me 12:44 I had just barely entered his lair (so there was no LoS prior to him warping next to me). 12:45 I think I was detecting monsters at the time 12:46 NeroOneTrueKing: did you get the long form intro, or not? 12:47 Yes, a full screen message 12:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:14087 12:54 got that message again from Baalzebub 12:55 Order: He teleports next to me, then I get the error, then he asks for the bribe. 12:56 no full screen message this time then? 12:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:14314 12:56 also you should have seen one for juib? 12:57 There was the full screen message, but that was unrelated to the error message 12:57 I did for juiblex as well (but no error) 12:58 Baalzebub didn't actually ask for the bribe after his first teleport. Instead, he drank a potion of speed. That was when I got the full-screen message, but no error. 12:58 I presume that the error is part of the bribe function 13:00 the error is if the boss_entrance function (responsible for printing the full screen message) returns false 13:00 within demon_talk, yes 13:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:14656 13:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:14658 13:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:14909 13:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:15473 13:32 * aosdict briefly contemplates leaving in the "fxup thaks to baak" commit rather than squashing it into the main invweight commit as planned 13:33 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:15701 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10861 13:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:43 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 13:53 NeroOneTrueKing: the boss message thing may be canseemon/canspotmon confusion 13:59 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 14:08 aosdict: have you fixed the boss_entrance error? 14:09 No, it's giving me a headach 14:09 now it's causing the full page message to appear the minute you come into LOS 14:10 I think the bug is that boss_entrance is being called twice and it really shouldn't be. 14:10 demon_talk is calling boss_entrance after boss_entrance has already been called once 14:10 Right, there are multiple triggers for it, intentionally. 14:10 the flag that says "we haven't seen Asmodeus yet" has already been flipped, so it returns false 14:12 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:12 If you don't have both of those calls, there are scenarios where you encounter the monster but the entry text never shows up. 14:15 so probably, you want to use this code snippet instead of boss_entrance(): 14:15 mtmp->mstrategy & ~STRAT_APPEARMSG 14:15 or in addition to boss_entrance() 14:15 minus the ~ and in addition to it that's what I have 14:16 replace line 305 of minion.c with 14:16 if (mtmp->mstrategy & ~STRAT_APPEARMSG && !boss_entrance(mtmp)) { 14:17 typo 14:17 if (mtmp->mstrategy & STRAT_APPEARMSG && !boss_entrance(mtmp)) { 14:17 Need parentheses around the LHS, since & has precedence over && (this has bitten me before), but otherwise that's what I have implemented. 14:17 appearmsg is a strat? 14:18 Now the problem is that the message is printing *too* early. 14:19 That change alone should never increase how often the message is printing. 14:20 This was combined with the cansee/canspot confusion from earlier 14:20 *the fix to that 14:21 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 14:21 maybe there is an overlap in a custom bitmask? 14:21 er, but it looks fine to me as-is 14:22 monmove.c uses cansee(), which is specific to LoS 14:22 minion.c uses canspot(), which extends cansee() to allow sensing as well 14:23 if you use canspot() in monmove, then yeah you'll be getting the opening message from stuff like monster detection 14:23 stenno: appearmsg isn't a strategy but is shoved in that bitmask because presumably it affects only the monsters that get complex strategies anyway. 14:23 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:24 uh, ok 14:24 Hm, why didn't I make boss_entrance make sure you are adjacent to the boss? 14:25 in case the boss teleports to you within LoS but you're surrounded by enemies so the boss isn't adjacent? 14:26 :O wand of death on level 1, metal \m/ 14:26 is it actually metal? 14:26 all death metal all the time 14:26 it's actually pine :p 14:27 \m/ pine 14:27 see "death pine" doesn't have the same ring to it. 14:27 :D 14:28 YASI: Cavemen see knives (only bone knives?) as "thagomizers". 14:30 NeroOneTrueKing: I'm not going to update until you're through with your game, though, because of the wish-scattering change. 14:30 Alright, I'll try to get my game done in a couple hours 14:31 Well, I guess if you've fully explored Gehennom up through the Sanctum it should be fine. 14:32 DESU METAL~ 14:37 Slash'EM Extended updated (all servers) 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:23991 14:38 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 14:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:16198 14:46 many thanks K2! unless a critical bug is found, this was the last update for a while (probably), because I've already broken saves locally; it'll take a long time until the new version is ready 14:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:39, on T:16826 14:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:16840 14:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:16985 14:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:51, on T:17055 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:67696 14:59 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 15:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:17090 15:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:51, on T:17222 15:03 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Rog Orc Nbn Cha), 204 points, T:259, killed by a dart 15:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:17268 15:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:05 elenmirie and spontiff double gnome bones, found by a gnome O_O gnomevengeance 15:05 i think the november tournament made gnomes cool 15:07 is this minetown? 15:07 I'd love to know what was in those bones, I fell through into that level and got instamushed by a white unicorn 15:08 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Ran Inf Nbn Cha), 360 points, T:437, done in by a dwarf 15:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:09 spontiff: I see you're playing the hardest nethack variant in existence, and with the (currently) hardest available role to boot! how is it? 15:09 spontiff bones are dangerous, there might be a stray archon walking around :P 15:09 not in this case :\ 15:09 LarienTelrunya: I picked a random interesting sounding role and fully intend to die soon 15:09 I see spontiff splatting in dnh and 3.6.2, which of those is the hardest? 15:10 unfortunately my connectiong to hardfought keeps hanging up 15:10 Pinkbeast: dnh was definitely harder 15:11 spontiff: I was wondering more which LarienTelrunya thinks is hardest (but I have a sneaky suspicion you've just started slex?) 15:11 Pinkbeast: guess which one I consider hardest :P 15:11 LarienTelrunya: Spork? :-P 15:12 nah it's one that I ascended several times 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68024 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:68025 15:14 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:68099 15:15 whatever a +3nd barrier is, my pet bashed it 15:18 autodig as an ent + travel is fun :\ 15:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:20, on T:18439 15:19 (I *think* it's my entish nature that's making me eat rock, but I'm not sure) 15:19 spontiff: yeah it's because you're an ent; there's the option "eatingwalls" that you can turn off if you don't want to eat walls anymore (and of course it can also be turned back on). 15:19 lately everyone seems to be playing the ent in slex for some reason! 15:20 Antichthon` and Porkman also play ents all the time :D 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:68366 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:68369 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 121227 points, T:25754, drowned in a moat by a giant eel 15:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed crystal ball", on T:19130 15:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:19132 15:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the End Game, on T:19133 15:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:29 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 15:29 spontiff, it's on level 7 of the DoD with you as a gnomish healer, elenmirie as a gnomish wizard, a shop that's been ransacked, two neutral altars, and a sac setup near one of the altars. There's a chest and inside the chest was GDSM, a bag of holding, and a TON of other stuff. Probably almost a full ascension kit in there. 15:30 i'm guessing that was elen though, since pacifists rarely are so lucky 15:31 ok, that was my bones first, then elenmirie's 15:31 just once i wish i would find bones like this when i'm already doing a bunch of conducts, instead of after i've already broken them all 15:31 so no idea what the fatal thing is 15:31 I basically planted good bones because I accidentally formally id'd a wand of create monster because I forgot I'd already eaten a floating eye 15:31 someone had Coco the kitten, who i'm sad to say has been killed and eaten by someone else's cat 15:32 spontiff-Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu, killed by a cave spider, while fainted from lack of food. 15:33 yes, I basically wandered around waiting to starve with all my good stuff in the box by the neutral altar 15:33 one of each kind of bag, as I recall 15:33 yup :) 15:34 that's very kind of you, thank you 15:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:19387 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:68624 15:41 156 uncursed slime molds 15:41 slex is weird 15:41 ents start with a huuuuuge stash of food :) 15:41 so starvation should pretty much be a non-issue 15:42 trying to name items? shift-n should do the trick, or spelling out #name 15:42 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "ice box named The Immortal's Icebox", on T:19413 15:44 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 542 points, T:922, killed by a copper crossbow bolt 15:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "99 potions of booze on the wall", on T:19432 15:44 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 15:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2330506 points, T:19433, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NeroOneTrueKing/xnethack/dumplog/1544911527.xnh.txt 15:46 i'm ac -61 now 15:46 my cloak and scale mail are still +0 15:46 my hawaiian shirt is only +3 15:47 so i could reach -73 before i put on this +1 ring of protection 15:47 then i can cast protection 15:47 Watch out for -127 :-) 15:48 this is grunt. the next intelligent monster i come across will zap me with a wand of cancellation 15:48 so apparently phase door scrolls don't just make doors in walls, they teleport you out of shops :) 15:48 well now I know 15:48 spontiff please pay before leaving 15:49 spontiff: slex has in-game item descriptions, you can access them by hitting an item's corresponding letter in regular inventory view :) (I think other variants are very slowly implementing something similar nowadays) 15:49 cool 15:50 aosdict: Now that I've actually played xNethack and aren't just looking at it on paper, I can give better feedback :) 15:50 Spellcasting on Wizards actually feels pretty balanced without their intrinsic +10XL worth of spellcasting ability 15:52 I still feel like I'd rather a more gradual slope for spell cost for effectively-uncastable spells than [Inf]->[20x]->[10x]->[reasonable amounts] 15:53 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:54 Once I was at the reasonably-castable spell costs (maybe [5x] and down?) the pw/x system felt good 15:54 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 15:57 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:58 It's a little odd that improving spell skill does absolutely nothing to help cast high-level spells, but I did #enhance Attack Spells all the way to expert to reduce the cost on Magic Missile 16:04 I think with skills giving extra bonuses it just knocked everything out of the water. 16:04 for dedicated spellcasters. 16:06 Absolutely, if I had had the +50% from being a wizard and +40% from Skilled, I could have cast Finger of Death before XL10 16:06 As my game was, I had to be XL18 before I could cast it using my entire >233 Pw pool 16:06 In-between those two extremes sounds good 16:09 Tarmunora pointed out to me that the wizard has it easy with high-pw spells, since it gets a huge energy regeneration advantage over everyone else 16:12 I really like the object materials (although I did not play an elf) 16:13 It was cool to occasionally find "wooden" and "bone" armor to wear while still casting spells 16:14 and this is before the great bone buffnerf of december 16, 2018! 16:14 Haha oh? 16:14 Bone armor with positive enchantment intercepts life drain and sacrifices a point of its enchantment instead. 16:15 The nerf is that it's now wood-equivalent in AC rather than stronger than iron. 16:16 That's neat 16:16 Another reason why I like the pw/x system as is is that it captures the exact expected amount of Pw you need in vanilla to cast something. In vanilla, 95% failure rate = 20x expected pw cost of spell. In xnethack, same thing. 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:68849 16:18 Not really, since a failed spell in vanilla only costs 1/2 Pw, so a 95% fail rate ~= 10.5x expected Pw cost 16:20 I do agree that spamming a high-failure out-of-combat spell until it succeeds is undesirable behaviour 16:21 I remember the time I thought "oh, I've got Dig at 25% failure, I don't need all these wands of digging". Aha. 16:21 Right, and that's just limited by food. 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 3840926 points, T:68909, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nh361/dumplog/1544804171.nh361.txt 16:23 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:23 -!- Antichthon has joined #hardfought 16:26 Oh, and I mostly like the rooms-in-mazes 16:26 [hdf-us] [4k] nerg (zor) (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:2808 16:26 With the sole exception of the large empty rooms 16:27 -!- Antichthon` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:29 -!- Antichthon` has joined #hardfought 16:29 It feels like they can clear out enormous sections of the maze 16:30 That... was the point. 16:30 No one LIKES all those mazes. 16:30 -!- Antichthon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30 I'd rather have smaller but more plentiful empty rooms 16:31 Honestly I'd be fine with just more room-and-corridor 16:33 the 3x3 to 7x7 range of empty rooms is good 16:34 are good? 16:35 That's just my $0.02 16:42 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 16:47 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 16:54 -!- Xaleth has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:57 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 16:58 K2: Tangles: whatever's involved in the latest build, it seems to stop monsters wandering randomly until you come close to them 16:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 16:59 latest build of what? 16:59 K2: oh sorry 16:59 k2 362 16:59 362-1 beta specifically 16:59 hmm 17:00 I'm not sure if I'm playing a beta unintentionally 17:00 This is a 4-day-old build, Dec 12th 17:00 yeah, cutting edge 17:01 there's been a quite a few commits since then... 17:01 K2: HF ipv6 is not responding today. I'm sure you already know this. 17:01 first i've ehard of it 17:01 heard 17:02 Mostly curses fixes it looks like 17:02 i can ping6 hdf-us no problem from my location bouquet 17:02 Ooh, more elenmirie_ bones 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 132 points, T:296, killed by a boulder 17:07 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Ang Fem Law), 317 points, T:1201, dismembered by a wererat 17:07 <@Luxcalibur> !ping 17:07 @Luxcalibur: Pong! 17:07 spontiff i'm not seeing that behavior so far 17:07 <@Luxcalibur> . . . 17:07 entered new level, hearing doors open, etc 17:07 <@Luxcalibur> mtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 17:07 @Luxcalibur yes we see you ;) 17:09 K2: ok, a bit more detail: this was early in the game, mostly jackals and grid bugs. They'd just stay there parked for several turns (like a meditating monster) until you got close to them, then they'd move normally 17:09