00:00 <@Luxcalibur> See, that wasn’t so hard 00:01 alternate dnethack tagline: "See, you CAN have a balanced kitchen sink variant." 00:03 ok I wrote one for slex. "SLASH'EM with more of absolutely everything, with lots of shoes and fleecy colors and another two hundred levels! *bundlebundlebundlebundlebundle*!!!!!!!" 00:05 <@Luxcalibur> grunt: yo dawg we heard you like OP, so here’s some OP while you OP so you don’t feel OP anymore 00:10 another slex one: "Leave your conventional ideas about game balance at the door. *bundlebundlebundle!!!*" 00:11 (it is mathematically impossible to construct a slex tagline that does not involve bundling) 00:11 @Luxcalibur I don't get the neutral evil one on your diagram, please explain 00:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Menche (Dra Hum Mal Neu), 380 points, T:2919, killed by a magic missile 00:11 sporkhack 00:13 Ah 00:14 Is Lawful Evil just talking about 3.4.3 is it a joke about Un, I can't tell 00:15 I think it is supposed to be Un. 3.4.3 would fall under true neutral. 00:16 I'm not really seeing the evil part, or the lawful part. 00:16 or 3.4.3-nao 00:16 ? 00:16 From what I gather Un is what you get if you take the average between vanilla and dnh 00:16 3.4.3 nao is definitely not evil 00:16 <@Luxcalibur> uh have you played it 00:16 Un has some irritating nerfs. 00:17 elves that can't touch iron is a particularly annoying nerf IMO 00:17 also the wishing nerfs 00:17 Like no wishing for magic items unless you actually have a WoW 00:17 <@Luxcalibur> also I joke about bhaak being an archdevil, thus requiring his variant to be LE 00:17 Menche: I added elf iron dislike to xnethack, but I also have object materials which makes wooden or copper or plastic armor feasible 00:18 <@Luxcalibur> Among others, genocide affects one species, and DSM is 6 AC, magical wishes only, and randomized 00:18 Also xnh iron dislike is extremely meh 00:19 It's basically flavor text 00:19 <@Luxcalibur> also nymph level 00:19 AAAAAAHHHHHHH 00:19 nymph level is evil 00:19 <@Luxcalibur> dyna makes nymph level saner by removing all the squeaky boards 00:19 PavelB: I can always scale it up later if it's widely regarded as being too soft. 00:20 <@Luxcalibur> You take more damage from iron weapons 00:20 <@Luxcalibur> That’s significant in the early game 00:20 I meant more about the effects of wielding and wearing iron equipment 00:20 <@Luxcalibur> elves are also already a poor race imo 00:21 The extra damage maybe shouldn't be increased but the wield/wear effects should be more significant. You will never *not* use an item in XNH because it's made of iron and you're an elf. 00:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64292 00:22 Well. 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:64304 00:22 There was that one time I was a dumbass and killed myself by placing a beartrap. 00:22 <@Luxcalibur> PavelB: I think dnh elves do not regenerate while wearing iron, but this makes it downright impossible to wear iron at all 00:22 But exactly one time. 00:22 <@Luxcalibur> which aosdict is trying to avoid, I think 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:64333 00:23 @Luxcalibur I think some kind of medium could be found. Maybe it *slows* regeneration. Or affects some other factor, like reducing luck. 00:23 I thought un elves also could not regenerate HP with iron? 00:23 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 00:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 00:24 <@Luxcalibur> Yeah, I haven’t played an un elf, but fourk does this with sylphs 00:24 <@Luxcalibur> I don’t think it makes much sense for prayers to fail because you’re wearing a bit of metal 00:24 I'm still on the fence with regards to it tamping regen rates. It would be pretty easy to implement and, with a fiqhack-like hp regen system, easy to tune 00:26 <@Luxcalibur> FIQhack regen, or just a similar system? 00:26 -!- workimer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:27 What if, say, every piece of iron equipment worn or wielded increased your AC by 1. 00:28 1 AC isn't such a huge difference to prevent you from using any one item, but it would prevent you from decking yourself out completely in full iron gear. 00:28 what about halting Pw regeneration and increasing spell failure (stacking with the effects of metal body armor) for elves 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:64458 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:64461 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:64742 00:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Law), 1572910 points, T:64938, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nh361/dumplog/1544496621.nh361.txt 01:51 -!- GhostlyAmy is now known as LarienTelrunya 01:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Sam Hum Mal Law), 416 points, T:837, killed by a magic missile 02:04 congrats oh6! 02:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09 10:36:55 PM <@aosdict> Changed wands of wishing so that using up the 0:1 charge turns them to dust. They cannot be recharged. 02:09 10:37:28 PM <@aosdict> This gives me some flexibility, I can have the Castle wand be 0:2 and the starting explore mode wand be 0:3, without needing multiple items. 02:09 10:38:41 PM Do they now normally generate with a higher charge? 02:09 10:39:10 PM <@aosdict> They won't randomly generate at all. 02:10 context? 02:10 xnh castle wish redistribution 02:10 mm 02:11 I gather they'd blow up if you try to use a scroll of charging on them in any situation then. 02:11 > They cannot be recharged 02:12 mm 02:23 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 02:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:40 aosdict: your taglines are heavily biased :P I strongly disagree with the notion that dnethack "keeps everything balanced" (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA) 02:41 Antichthon: tell the variant devs in here what your opinion of slex's balance is! unlike them, you've made it to Gehennom several times in 150k+ turn games, so if there's someone who can really assess slex's balancedness or lack thereof, it would be you! 03:25 PavelB: I aimed for the sweet spot between 3.4.3, spork, and slashem. 03:28 dnethack has had almost no influence on unnethack, as it was developed in secret for a long time and I almost never having looked at it. so it would be interesting if unnethack would fit the "average of vanilla and dnethack". 03:38 aosdict: I'm partial towards the iron elf thing. it was added by paxed. but it does differentiate the roles a bit and you can work around it somewhat by covering your body with non metal armor first. 03:39 leather gloves will allow you wielding an iron sword, a t-shirt allows you to wear iron body armor. but still, it's a restriction 03:41 I haven't done the math, I should check what racial bonus + the vanilla bonus of elven armor does to your AC 04:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 04:33 You engrave in the floor with 30 blessed +6 daggers (wielded). 04:33 ... how? 04:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:33 also I can engrave only 'x', I don't engrave xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 04:52 Same way you wield 30 blessed +6 daggers while attacking stuff. 04:52 That may be worth reporting as a bug 04:53 it did reduce them all to +5 which was what I wanted (they're +7 now) 04:53 hm 04:54 at least now it says "The gnome thrusts one of his daggers" when monsters have more than one 04:54 but *you* still wield all 30, though you only do enough damage for one 04:55 Well, there's no 'you swing your blessed +6 dagger' message. 04:55 Unless you're using something that isn't a strict weapon. 04:59 but in your inventory you have "30 blessed +6 daggers (wielded)" 04:59 (which is excellent for enchanting them, of course) 05:00 or for engraving in the floor with them 05:00 wolverine springs to mind... 05:00 at least now with Q you get the choice to quiver all but one, which I surprisingly use a lot 05:00 not that I'm actually wielding the daggers to fight with, I'm wielding the +6 Magicbane 05:01 and another in the off-hand? 05:01 don't have a drain life spell and all disenchanters died before they could drain it to +5 05:01 nope, wizard 05:01 or no, not as wiz 05:01 I was thinking of my lost tourist who was wielding +6 Magicbane and +6 silver dagger :) 05:01 p - 30 blessed +7 daggers (at the ready). 05:02 I've left so much stuff behind in the stash that they don't encumber me any more 05:02 I ascended a tourist with +6 Werebane and a +8 silver saber (oops) 05:03 I think even in the last devnull! 05:03 hm, shall I try to get half these daggers to +8 with my last scroll of EA? or hope for another disenchanter when Rodney next summons nasties on me? 05:04 meh, I'm on level 4 already, probably not worth the trouble 05:05 Your potion of gain level glows with a black aura. 05:05 leave level 1 in style 05:08 DeathOnAStick style? 05:09 not exactly, I don't have a posse of giants carrying gems 05:09 True. 05:09 but I do now have a tin of Wizard of Yendor meat to remember him by 05:09 (Rodney, not DoaS) 05:09 nice.~ 05:10 oops, no levitation 05:10 go raisse! 05:11 you left that a bit late :D 05:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:13 didn't need it earlier, I had WW boots 05:13 yes, understood 05:13 found a ring of conflict in a chest in the sanctum 05:13 did you jump over the holes in the castle, or just not bother? 05:14 or fill them with boulders 05:14 ? 05:14 I think I was wearing perseus' boots then 05:14 ah, yes 05:14 but left them at the stash 05:14 You can walk over the moat, also 05:14 that doesn't get you to the armory 05:14 True. 05:14 unless you poly into a xorn and go through the wall 05:14 but you can't get to the dragons and armoury without passing the holes 05:15 you can fill in some of them with boulders 05:15 or jump 05:15 that's what I usually do (fill them with boulders up to the doors) 05:15 or what raisse said, xorn it 05:16 eek, I was only stunned, not confused 05:18 crud, I hate that 05:18 I can write another scroll, no problem 05:18 that's on my checklist... confused? go. 05:19 (except that in 3.6.x the planes are officially my least favourite part of the game) 05:19 water in particular for me 05:19 hate water 05:19 it can be a right royal bitch 05:19 yes, it's not particularly difficult or dangerous but it's so tedious and annoying 05:19 and if Rodney shows up... 05:20 yes! 05:20 also astral seems to be a lot harder 05:20 you can deplete a lot of resources that you need for Astral 05:20 I've got as many astral splats as ascensions in 3.6.1 and .2 05:20 I know getting to astral is an achievement in itself but it feels like a whole game wasted 05:21 yes, I think the behaviour of the riders is a lot harder now 05:21 ooh I have a bugle! 05:21 you can end up with all of them on your ass at once 05:21 but I forgot to bring a camera (again) 05:21 bugle is good enough! 05:21 you just won't be an instagram star now... ;) 05:22 2 easy wishes, 1 wrest, 1 blessed magic lamp and 2 uncursed magic lamps, I can obtain boulders to block the riders :-) 05:22 wish for boulders in all caps: BOULDER 05:23 lol does that give you heavier ones? 05:23 It should! lol 05:23 "boulder named BOULDER" 05:23 heh 05:23 A thoroughly boulder 05:23 I saw someone doing that on astral once 05:23 true class! 05:23 a boulder named NotColorado 05:23 If you had a pet giant, couldn't they bring in a boulder? 05:24 named "not in Colorado any more, Dorothy" 05:24 they should! 05:24 because otherwise you might get a city? 05:24 *that* would block the Riders! 05:24 instead of a boulder, and that would be annoying 05:25 YANI: wish for Boulder, trigger a game of classic SimCity 05:25 some domestic stuff due before I do water and astral 05:40 Suddenly, the steam vortex disappears out of sight. You hear a whoosh! 05:40 well, at least steam is water, isn't it? 05:40 yeah 05:41 lol there's a fire vortex here too 05:41 it doesn't seem to be harmed by the water 05:41 how do you think steam vortices get made? 05:42 argh most of my scrolls blanked 05:42 but not the blessed scroll of charging! 05:43 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:44 well, that was easy(ish) except for the swimming accident 05:44 l - 2 blessed scrolls of blank paper named THE EMERGENCY REMOVE CURSE SCROLL 05:44 nope 05:44 well, I won't need it any more anyway 05:47 There is a high altar to Anhur (chaotic) here. 05:47 *whew* 05:48 congrats! 05:49 I wouldn't have survived a grand tour 05:50 i didn't want to agree with you until after you ascended, but the planes (and Astral) are indeed harder than 3.43 :) well done! 05:50 congrats raisse! 05:51 thanks! 05:51 another orc wiz heads for the demigod bar... 05:52 I hope they have booze because mine all got diluted. 05:53 take a dip? 05:53 yes, moved on water while still confused 05:53 ouch 05:53 fortunately I'd already genocided ; so nothing could grab and drown me 05:54 I got done once by a fire giant who chucked a BOULDER at me and it landed in my way so I couldn't get out of the water 05:54 he'd followed from plane of fire, of course 05:54 was it a boulder named BOULDER? 05:55 I never got a chance to get introduced... 05:55 now, tourist! 05:55 yay! 05:55 !lotg raisse 05:55 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, raisse! 05:55 * raisse prepares to die (a lot) 05:56 I've got to go work now, but later I shall resume my real vegan wizard attempt 05:56 * elenmirie_ prepares to die lots too 05:57 ooh, elven mithril randomly on level 1! 05:57 non-cursed +0 05:58 that more than doubles my chance to survive the early levels 05:58 yes! 05:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] eraserhead97 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 4805 points, T:6521, killed by a soldier ant 06:02 whoa, that's a huge general store 06:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4159 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant zombie, on T:5275 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7509 points, T:5276, quit 06:16 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 06:21 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 23964 points, T:8575, killed by a movanic deva of Ptah 06:32 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 528 points, T:800, killed by a kitten 06:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 167 points, T:441, killed by a water demon 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2143 points, T:3477, killed by a bolt of lightning 06:47 hah gnome in minetown with a lightning wand. probaly double bones now 06:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 142 points, T:363, killed by a kitten 07:02 stepping through gdb... 07:02 2155 if (DisplayDoesNotGo || TheInfoIsFucked) { 07:02 guess the variant anyone? 07:03 MadnessIslandHack? :D 07:04 lol 07:10 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 648 points, T:1043, killed by Ms. Yildizeli, the shopkeeper, while helpless 07:12 meanwhile I've set up a ubuntu 18.10 VM and trying to compile slex on that 07:13 oh huh, I already see some suspicious compiler warnings that I've never seen before 07:15 gaaaaaah it didn't save a screenshot! 07:16 LarienTelrunya: hardfought is 18.04, but not likely very different. 07:16 I can sort of see what the issue is in gdb, but I'm still digging for the cause. 07:18 hdf is 64-bit though, right? 07:19 yeah 07:20 the warnings I'm seeing are these: https://abload.de/img/wformatoverflow4pd3j.png - %s directive writing up to 599 bytes into a region of size 239? sounds dangerous 07:21 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7297 07:21 anyway I hope it'll compile and then I will test if it segfaults on moving for me too 07:25 elenmirie_: got your ghost in the mines 07:25 with a saddled warhorse called Anke 07:25 my cat killed yours before I could tame it 07:26 (did tame the horse though) 07:26 LarienTelrunya: I think that means you're trying to sprintf(), and the buffer you're printing into is potentially smaller than the maximum possible size of what you're printing into it. 07:26 both expensive bags in the hardware store were oilskin :-( 07:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Noah (Rog Inf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:7598 07:27 sheesh, how many more lairs in this dnh gehennom? 07:27 hmm... at least that is what the two "note:"s above and bleow the warning look like. 07:28 the warning is probably related to that. 07:30 Baalzie has 700HP..? 07:30 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 07:31 oh wait! it's a BoH after all, I was just carrying a plate mail I'd picked up by mistake 07:32 The air crackles around Aithosaigris of Grisuulu. 07:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:43 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:46 morning 07:47 its Friday, and do you know where your nethack is? 07:48 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:48 <[Demo]5> what 07:48 <[Demo]5> no 07:49 ;) 07:49 <[Demo]5> do you? 07:50 i do 07:50 * K2 pats his front shirt pocket 07:50 its right there 07:51 * K2 feeds his nethack a piece of lettuce 07:58 lol, an orc had picked up the luckstone 07:59 apparently when you have orctown bones, it doesn't count as orctown and the levels below aren't riddled with orcses carrying town loot 08:01 "The orc offers you a luckstone, asking you not to kill him.." 08:05 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:05 heh 08:06 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed the eye of the aethiopica", on T:3009 08:06 lol 08:06 yessssss 08:07 sat on the throne ONCE 08:07 here, have a wish 08:07 I notice that you're a neutral orc 08:07 yes 08:07 oh it's splice 08:07 sporkhack 08:07 right, sp not spl 08:08 I wondered if you'd converted and would be excluded from the quest 08:10 sporkhack opened up a few more role/race combos 08:10 no one has ever ascended a neutral orc monk before with that variant, so i am giving it a go 08:11 so... dlvl 6, havent even touched the mines or sokoban yet, and i already have MR and reflection 08:11 soooo gonna die 08:17 EotA is so nice to have 08:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 4808 points, T:4270, killed by a shotgun shell 08:19 oh right, vorpy is nice too 08:19 I was trying to get The Lady to give me an artifact 08:19 and now she's given me an artifact, but not in the way I expected 08:20 I only prayed because I was fainting with hunger and only had 1 tripe ration and a bunch of cursed apples 08:24 Graz'zt is a right pain 08:26 who or what is Graz'zt? 08:27 a major demon in dNethack 08:27 oh with one of the numerous lairs 08:28 I can't find anything on the wiki, but the in game 'pokedex' says it's 'cooldownless' 08:28 which means you get a spell or 2 every turn, it seems 08:28 mostly, monster generation 08:28 Graz'zt is drow right? 08:28 thats afamiliar name from ad&d 08:28 and it doesn't stand close enough to be hit with anything except wide range magic 08:29 wow my warhorse is actually a shapeshifter 08:29 in this case it's down as a major demon (human sized humanoid) 08:29 I'll see what equipment it has if it lets me probe it 08:29 (not elenmirie's warhorse, it got killed by uruk-hai with poisoned arrows, but the one I just tamed in soko) 08:29 wouldn't surprise me if it was droven 08:30 taming chameleons &co is always great fun 08:30 not much use, but fun 08:30 yes 08:31 it devoured the cursed apple I tossed at it and immediately turned into a gnome mummy 08:31 (and then some Z, and a yeti, and now it's a dog) 08:35 Let it turn into a t and eat some shopkeepers. 08:36 it will turn into what it will turn into, I suppose 08:36 it was a fire ant just now 08:38 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2709 points, T:2880, killed by a rock piercer 08:38 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 08:38 i love it when a monster trying to flee finds a poly trap and keeps jumping on it in a panic to try and turn into something stronger 08:38 iguana -> lemur -> hill giant -> dead 08:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:42 if I get blessed geocide before the quest, I'll do 's' 08:42 geNocide, I'm not trying to kill the whole world 08:42 only wipe out spiders 08:42 note: the tourist quest 08:48 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 08:52 yay amulet 08:54 wewt 08:59 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:05 lol my pets found a poly trap 09:06 they're now an umber hulk and a water troll 09:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] strangefella (Brd Hum Mal Neu), 1676 points, T:1122, killed by an orc mummy 09:06 <[Demo]5> name them fun things 09:07 they're Poes and Miezekatze, silly enough names for T and U :-) 09:07 kitty-cat in Dutch and German, respectively 09:07 <[Demo]5> lol 09:07 <[Demo]5> very good names for goofy pets 09:07 (they were cats to start with of course) 09:07 Poe always worried about getting buried alive so he would've liked being an Umber Hulk 09:07 <[Demo]5> yeah 09:08 the pendulum... 09:08 (only poe story i know) 09:09 kafka, otoh.. 09:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 199 points, T:366, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water demon 09:17 new artifact syndrome 09:17 but still, not bad for a tourist 09:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2584 points, T:2299, killed by a bolt of fire 09:21 PavelB: it would be nice if you could not quote stuff I said without the full context in order to make it sound bad. 09:21 its the foxnews model of alternative facts 09:22 'fair and balanced' hahahahah 09:22 we should rename it to 'state run 'news'' 09:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] strangefella (Bin Hum Mal Non), 75 points, T:494, killed by a grid bug 09:24 PavelB: You made it sound like I was reducing the total number of guaranteed wishes in the game to 2, which is not the case at all. 09:29 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 09:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] strangefella (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 203 points, T:1386, killed by an acid blob 09:42 <[Demo]5> should wishing increase your prayer timeout? 09:43 it does already, doesn't it? 09:43 <[Demo]5> yeah 09:43 <[Demo]5> and im challenging it 09:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:47 <[Demo]5> like, why 09:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] strangefella (Ana Hum Mal Neu), 1510 points, T:1035, quit 09:47 <[Demo]5> "the gods take notice" is the comment associated with the line that does it 09:47 <[Demo]5> is that a good reason? 09:48 it's not bad, but i agree with you 09:48 (i could see the gods thinking "that guy doesn't need my favor right after wishing for that.." 09:48 <[Demo]5> why do the gods care? is caring about wishes in their character based on other things they care about? 09:49 or, perhaps gods get offended by wishing, since it's close to their turf, but atheist. 09:49 <[Demo]5> then they should anger? 09:50 aosdict: the 1/7 -> 1/23 -> 1/121 is a nice take on the wresting issue. on the vanilla side IMO but an interesting compromise. why exactly 1/23 though? 09:51 aosdict: my bad. The point was removal of random wows. 09:51 !whereis k2 09:51 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [sp]: (Mon Orc Mal Neu) T:6016 Sokoban level: 7 09:51 <[Demo]5> when have the gods ever cared about my wishes? 09:52 when should the gods care about any mortal anything? 09:52 but they do 09:52 because they are flawed 09:52 only if they are in a good mood 09:52 you don't want to be noticed when they are bored 09:53 <[Demo]5> also how bad of an idea is it to let people put bags of holding inside bags of holding? 09:53 i always found it funny that gods from carried weapons or wore armor 09:53 if they are gods, they should need either 09:53 bhaak: I just vaguely remembered something about numerology nuts obsessing over the number 23. Also keeping in line with nethack's affinity for making arbitrary numbers odd and usually prime. 09:53 its like when neo became 'the one' 09:53 there is no spoon 09:53 <[Demo]5> there are some funny relevant stargate quotes 09:53 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 09:53 K2: They have to fight other gods on the same power level. 09:54 but if you're a god... you shouldnt even have to fight to begin with 09:54 this tells me gods are not immortal and they have limitations 09:54 (in mythologies where gods fight. In ones where gods don't fight, they tend not to have weapons.) 09:54 we just call them gods because their powers and abilities are so far removed and above our own 09:55 also see https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HumansAreCthulhu 09:56 [Demo]5, about False Gods? Indeed. 09:56 <[Demo]5> lol 09:57 23 is important for some religious zealots 09:57 like bhaak and myself 09:57 I use Muad23 if Muad is taken 09:59 K2: fashion 09:59 K2: who are you to criticise a god's sense of fashion? 09:59 <[Demo]5> alright made some crazy decisions 09:59 <[Demo]5> no more exploding BoHs and no ublesscnt penalty from wishing 10:00 bhaak: i am an ultra god. I can mock and ridicule lesser beings such as regular gods 10:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] strangefella (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:824 10:00 <[Demo]5> turbo god 10:00 ^ that 10:00 K2: also, all gods have limitations. or can you ultra god make stone so heavy that you yourself can't lift it? 10:00 yes and no, at the same time 10:00 wrap your mortal brain around that 10:00 <[Demo]5> lol 10:00 bhaak: the stone collapses into a black hole dooming the world 10:00 branching into parallel universes is a cheap cheat 10:01 cheap? its free. it costs me nothing as an ulta turbo god 10:01 <@Luxcalibur> YANI: putting a wand of cancellation into a bag of holding causes the bag to explode in 3 turns. The explosion does d(n) damage where n is the number of unique items inside the bag 10:01 n = 0. 10:02 You can't put unique items in a bag. 10:02 P = NP 10:02 <@Luxcalibur> non stackable 10:02 <@Luxcalibur> so you can’t put in 200 rocks 10:03 <@Luxcalibur> you can put your quest artifact inside if you want 10:03 <@Luxcalibur> :p 10:03 <[Demo]5> in ndnh bleeding edge you can put cancellation and tricks and other BADs into a BoH 10:03 <[Demo]5> but not a BoH 10:04 <[Demo]5> no more exploding BoH, only nice friendly helpful, no more rage quitting 40k turns in 10:04 <[Demo]5> or 413 million turns in :P 10:04 how boring 10:04 <[Demo]5> theres more less harmful stuff to entertain u 10:07 <@strangefella> >playing as a monk and I find random artifact armor on the ground 10:07 <@strangefella> eh 10:08 <[Demo]5> which one? 10:08 <@strangefella> soulmirror 10:08 <[Demo]5> thought so 10:08 <[Demo]5> oh well 10:08 <@Luxcalibur> wtf is a soulmirror 10:08 <[Demo]5> plate mail 10:08 <[Demo]5> mithril platemail 10:08 <[Demo]5> gives reflection and drain res 10:08 <[Demo]5> think you can enchant to +7 10:09 <[Demo]5> the least useful artifact a monk can find probably (maybe one of the shields would be worse) 10:09 <@Luxcalibur> yeah it looks like you want to be able to cast in dnh 10:10 <[Demo]5> you also wanna be able to punch things and not miss cause your armor is cumbersome 10:10 <[Demo]5> also im pretty sure soulmirror qualifies as heavy armor 10:10 <[Demo]5> because instead of using owt for determining armor light/medium/heavy otyp is used 10:11 <[Demo]5> which is something i forgot to fix yet in ndnh 10:12 !tell Larientelrunya I fixed the file pointer issue in SLEX. It's now working on hdf-us again. https://github.com/NHTangles/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/3c691a36d1992379978c8fd3eacf9f3fc1ade873 10:12 No worries, Tangles, I've got this! 10:13 yay Tangles! 10:13 <[Demo]5> yey working sle 10:14 <[Demo]5> slex 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1632 10:16 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Mon Orc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7917 10:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:23 for those who care... mk_dgl_extrainfo() (and whereis, and livelog) were using fopen_datafile(), but because FILE_AREAS are defined, there's no extern declaration for fopen_datafile() so the compiler issued an "implicit declaration" warning, and assumed a 32-bit integer return value, but now pointers (including FILE pointers) are 64 bit. This was causing the FILE pointer to be truncated, resulting in 10:23 a segfault on trying to use to it. 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 11764 points, T:4014, killed by a giant ant, while paralyzed by a monster 10:24 <[Demo]5> thanks tangles 10:27 No worries, Demo 10:28 There are a few more compiler warnings that probably need attention. I'll try to look at them in the next couple of days. 10:29