00:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bugpowder (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:18739 00:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06 Ugh, stale old game on the server 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Val Dwa Fem Law), 79243 points, T:9091, shot herself with a death ray 01:06 ooh a + of identify 01:11 Huh. Did spell failure rates change? identify is at 100% fail 01:12 ohh my INT is trash, nvm 01:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:15 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1974 points, T:2447, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:24242 01:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:59 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:15 aosdict: I like what you've done with Gehennom - maps are more interesting ^^ 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5724 02:20 [hdf-us] [4k] Ocean (oceanseagul) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4965 points, T:1437, poisoned by a water moccasin 02:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:25417 02:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:26463 03:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:27034 03:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:27944 03:32 aosdict: yeah, I added the travis integration a few days back. the notification mail is not being delivered to the mailing list yet correctly, though. but there's always https://api.travis-ci.org/repos/travis-ci/travis-ci/builds.atom 03:33 aosdict: also note the ugly code I had to add because $SOMEONE wanted a minimal build with it's inadequate build system 03:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:52 oh, an it's vs its mistake. too early, ENEEDMORECOFFEE 03:52 * LarienTelrunya makes ENEEDMORECOFFEE into a slex scroll label :D 03:57 are there also coffee potions? 03:58 brown potions 03:58 Demogorgon & Yeenoghu are on Dlvl:37 (xnh) - will they stay there until I visit that level or can they move around to different levels on their own? 03:58 [hdf-us] [un] jigglyworm (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1347 points, T:1697, killed by a bolt of fire 03:59 I guess Yeenoghu might move if you summon him by same-race sacrifice, but monsters don't move while you are not on the level usually 03:59 slex has coffee potions ;) 03:59 attie: ok - thx for the sanity check 03:59 I remember a coffee patch ... or was that just a YANI? 03:59 LarienTelrunya: you have to find a way to also put 418 I'm a teapot in there :D 04:00 the best http status code 04:01 "425 Too Early" would probably be the equivalent of ENEEDMORECOFFEE for those out there more into web development than C 04:02 hmm what if I made the teapot message into a t-shirt :D 04:05 that would be the easy way out 04:06 the complicated way would be to add actual teapots, which are labeled, and you can read them and they say "418 I'm a teapot" 04:06 heh 04:06 * attie just discovered the wide variety of things you can read in nethack 04:07 but what would be a fun mechanic for teapots 04:08 today I encountered a "410 Gone" message on some page 04:08 somehow these status codes always sound very poetic 04:09 Will rubber-chicken work on both Yeenoghu and Demogorgon? I have no =oFA or WoD so thinking about burning a wish... 04:10 wand of death doesn't work on demons anyway, but assuming you play vanilla, the cockatrice corpse will work 04:10 it will work, but I still recommend the scroll of scare monster instead 04:11 I'm on xnh... ...prolly close enough 04:11 scroll of SM's an idea (I don't have one - would have to wish for it), but my dmg output is very low 20-30 (trying to play weaponless monk) 04:12 wait - rubber-chicken would break weaponless anyhow... 04:12 hmm.... 04:12 have you never seen a scroll of scare monster? 04:12 or are you playing illiterate? 04:13 attie: ah - wish for MM to write one - thx for the hint ^^ 04:13 just make sure if it's type-named, to write the label 04:13 since xnh is 3.6 based 04:13 but actually, it's only manually-named - not identified 04:13 you can see the label in the discoveries menu 04:13 so I should write ABRA KA DABRA 04:14 yep 04:14 ty ^^ 04:14 (assuming that is the label, and that nothing about this was changed in xnh) 04:14 should be - I marked it in Soko and saw it again in castle 04:15 3.6 scroll of scare monster is so powerful, I love it 04:16 they tricky part will be teleporting onto the SM on < while neither Yeenoghu nor Demo is on it (I haven't eaten Floating Eye due to vegan, so I can only see what's going on if it's in the range of Eyes) 04:18 hmm, can you go to the level above and go down the stairs? 04:19 I will have to prep the level above and lure them up 04:20 huh? 04:20 I thought this was gehennom 04:20 if you walk down, you will be standing on the upstairs 04:20 right - what am I thinking? 8^P 04:20 (unless there was something already there in which case it might be a toss-up which of you is on the upstairs) 04:21 ic 04:23 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:25 would rubber chicken break weaponless though? it's food, and cream pies don't either 04:25 only weapons and weapon-tools (unicorn horn, pickaxe) do 04:26 raisse: good question - I don't know... ...it would be good to confirm with someone so I could use it as an option if I otherwise fail... 04:27 I'm not good enough at monks to try, and don't have a local install so I can't wiztest 04:27 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:33 [hdf-us] [4k] Ocean (oceanseagul) (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:1853 04:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:37 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed ring of levitation", on T:29246 04:47 -!- Announcy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:48 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:29687 04:55 [hdf-us] [4k] Ocean (oceanseagul) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 11439 points, T:2856, quit 05:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7309 05:02 [hdf-us] [4k] Ocean (oceanseagul) (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 951 points, T:686, killed by a small mimic 05:13 jonadab: your page doesn't seem to load anymore? I want to see whether there's new EPIs :( 05:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:30176 05:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:30180 05:25 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 05:32 -!- nakula has joined #hardfought 05:35 -!- nakula has left #hardfought 05:37 damn - I didn't know the %oSM was so OP - does this thing work in Astral, too? 05:38 not in the Endgame IIRC 05:38 nvm, they do, just not against A and the Riders 05:38 ic - that's good to know - ty 05:39 also it's a scroll, so keep in mind that a bolt of fire going onto your square can still destroy it 05:39 it seems to be the ultimate solution against Nasty Daemons and Liches gone wild w/summoning monsters 05:39 yeah they're pretty good 05:39 ShivanHunter: aye - good point 05:40 in the olden days before E was nerfed, did it almost work the same way as SM now? 05:44 I never really used it so idk 05:44 I think a couple limitations were removed to make up for the E nerf 05:45 SM works on some monsters E didn't, like minos. I think. 05:46 (oh, and @ except the Wizard) 05:46 Yeah - I got screwed trying to use E on minos a couple times - never again... 05:46 quite 05:50 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 05:56 DLvl:40+ seem to be permanently infested with Arch-Liches (xnh) - I need geno badly... 05:59 [hdf-us] [4k] Ocean (oceanseagul) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:6704 06:00 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 06:00 I'm gonna need several gallons of holy water - Liches made a hole and jumped down to the next level 8^P 06:25 ShivanHunter: whaaaaat I've been a redditor for twice as long as you, yet you have five times as much karma??? did you use cheats to get that much karma? :D 06:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 302 points, T:849, killed by a poisonous corpse 06:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 240 points, T:434, killed by a jackal 06:35 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:36 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:40 [hdf-us] [4k] Ocean (oceanseagul) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:9270 06:41 K2: can you please take the 't' shortcut off the hdf main menu? muscle memory is screwing with me 06:42 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 06:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 06:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:45 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 06:49 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:23 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 7514 points, T:4608, killed by a winter wolf cub 07:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3880 points, T:3533, killed by a killer bee 07:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1143 07:36 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2068 points, T:1521, killed by a dwarf 07:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 411 points, T:1525, killed by a giant bat 07:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 494 points, T:845, killed by a hobbit 07:46 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 739 points, T:747, killed by an invisible bugbear 07:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 3371 points, T:4086, killed by a Woodland-elf 08:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:37487 08:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5846 08:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4419 08:37 -!- BEHiker57W has joined #hardfought 08:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 5086 points, T:4274, killed by a goat 08:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 10709 points, T:6239, quit 08:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1708 points, T:4322, killed by a Mordor orc 08:52 https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/a238wo/frosty_the_snowman_is_an_icelich_discuss/ 08:56 amazing 08:57 I also like the Frosty-as-SCP angle 08:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:06 [hdf-us] [dyn] Tarvon (Maihemm) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2525 points, T:2474, killed by a watchman 09:06 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5819 points, T:5833, killed by an ettin mummy 09:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1709 points, T:2407, killed by a killer bee 09:31 I did? 09:31 Oh, so I did. 09:35 pickaxe? 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 634 points, T:1940, killed by a little dog 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 8 points, T:58, killed by a little dart 09:43 <@ChristmIceBox> if you wear teleport control while having teleportitis, do you get a constant spam of "where do you want to teleport" messages? 09:45 yup 09:45 <@ChristmIceBox> ew 09:45 <@ChristmIceBox> not sure if that deal with the devil is worth it then 09:45 so now, eat every tengu corpse you come across 09:45 it's really helpful 09:45 so you can get tele control instrinsic 09:45 It's not a constant spam either 09:46 raisse: no, it just took me that long to bump into something with my -3 orcish dagger 09:46 it happens like on 1/80 of turns 09:56 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 149 points, T:403, killed by a water moccasin 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "the holy greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:38406 10:04 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 289 points, T:729, killed by a small mimic 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1578 points, T:4025, killed by an ape 10:19 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:28 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a javelin bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:10351 10:29 <[Demo]4> lame 10:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3145 points, T:2836, killed by a jaguar 10:30 heh 10:31 <[Demo]4> javelins are such a dumb thing 10:32 they could be good if they spawned in reasonably sized stacks so you can use them as ranged weapons (do they even have multishot in vanilla?) 10:33 <[Demo]4> they aren't any more interesting than spears 10:33 <[Demo]4> !tell aosdict if you removed zruty, you should remove javelin 10:33 Will do, [Demo]4! 10:34 You see here a variant named Removalhack. 10:35 can we not generalize xnethack to "removalhack" when I have removed literally one monster 10:35 aosdict: Message from [Demo]4 at 2018-12-03 10:33 EST: if you removed zruty, you should remove javelin 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 food rations on an altar, on T:3213 10:35 aosdict: that was referring to a hypothetical variant that also removes javelins ;) 10:35 remove everything except swords 10:36 although I wouldn't be surprised if a variant that merges javelin skill into spear skill already exists 10:36 <[Demo]4> it does 10:36 <[Demo]4> it might be vanilla, I can't recall 10:36 <[Demo]4> maybe nh4 10:37 and I mean, I can't even really hold that against anyone because in vanilla no one ever uses javelins as far as I know 10:37 clearly we need artifact javelins :P 10:37 <[Demo]4> no 10:37 or... 10:38 <@Tone> We need a zrutyHack variant to fill the void left by xnethack 10:38 <[Demo]4> they should pierce through monsters 10:38 @Luxcalibur: you proved that zruties have a place in the game, how about doing the same for the javelin weapon class? :D 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1596 points, T:3527, killed by a killer bee 10:38 K2: noooo! I want my magicbane! 10:38 heh 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a hard hat on an altar, on T:3066 10:38 javelins are one of the few examples of having a separate skill for a thrown weapon. 10:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:39 we'll convert every weapon into a sword and give all roles master skill in it 10:39 we'll call it EasyHack 10:39 <@Tone> Play as a zruty! Fight zruties! Challenge the zruty of Yendor in his tower! 10:39 heh, but it'll still be harder than µhack I guess :D 10:41 @Tone: hahaha what if Rodney had a pet mega-zruty with very good stats and possibly some special attacks/mechanics that helps him fight you and respawns with him? ;) 10:42 <[Demo]4> The Zrutinator 10:42 <[Demo]4> add that as a slex monster 10:42 maybe I will actually do that :D 10:43 and it will taunt the player by spamming messages along the lines of "Save the zruties!" 10:43 <[Demo]4> anyway aosdict, zruty should be on U with mind flayers, quantum mechanic, and umber hulk 10:43 umber zruties! zruty mechanics! zruty flayers! :D:D:D 10:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:43 I am slightly worried that the constant memeing about zruties will be the main thing people hear about xnethack and will make possible players of it not want to play it :/ 10:44 <[Demo]4> Add zruties back and make a big deal about it 10:45 actually, slex has the problem that zruties are on Y instead of z, and Y has quite many species already while z does not... hmm... not sure how I want to go about that 10:46 <[Demo]4> add more zouthern animals 10:46 <[Demo]4> like 24 speed turbo wombats 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "a greased fixed +3 holy burning katana", on T:38480 10:50 <[Demo]4> lol 10:50 <[Demo]4> sounds badass when put like that 10:51 ^^ 10:52 burning?! is that new in 3.62? 10:53 no it just doesn't do anything 10:53 for a moment I thought he was playing grunthack where such things probably exist 10:53 <[Demo]4> I think it is like lit 10:53 it only affects potions of oil 10:53 It's for lamps. 10:53 and that. 10:53 oh and lamps 10:53 I think also lamps. 10:53 There's always Fire Brand, too. 10:53 in grunthack it would be "of fire" 10:54 Of kaboomage 10:54 katana of detonation... 10:54 wow just wizmoded, "burning potion of oil" and "burning lamp" really give you a lit one 10:54 Just don't dip the burning potion into the burning lamp. Or do. 10:55 Does wishing for a burning brass lantern work? 10:55 hmm that said "Your lamp seems to burn for a moment." for some reason, and the lamp is still there 10:55 yes, burning brass lantern also works 10:56 apparently it doesn't blow up if the potion is also burning. 10:56 huh, you can dip identified magic lamps into oil... 10:57 You can dip nearly anything into oil. Whether it does anything is another question. 10:57 <[Demo]4> don't forget candles 10:57 mm 10:57 YASI: you can also #dip your own head into a lit potion of oil, with disastrous consequences :D 10:58 Or just an awesome quiff 10:58 or if the head is too big to fit into a potion bottle, dip your finger into it 10:58 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:59 Would that be like Terraria where you can wear a fish bowl on your head and drown in it? 10:59 in fact, wouldn't that be a nice way to soft-identify potions, by dipping your finger and seeing if something happens? "Arrgh - that burns like acid! You drop the blessed +5 rustproof Excalibur." 10:59 <[Demo]4> that should be a thing 10:59 You can throw it at yourself, I guess 11:00 And dipping your finger into a potion of polymorph might be fun. 11:00 'fun' 11:01 <[Demo]4> what potions should have an effect? 11:01 Polymorph 11:01 <[Demo]4> acid, hallu, poly 11:02 Invisibility 11:02 <[Demo]4> fruit juice/see invis makes your finger sticky 11:02 Healing, maybe 11:02 <[Demo]4> oil makes your hands greasy 11:02 mm 11:02 <[Demo]4> nah not any healing related 11:02 Paralysis 11:02 <[Demo]4> everything else just makes it wet 11:02 <[Demo]4> I can't see paralysis working via contact 11:02 hm 11:03 Sickness does, though. 11:03 <[Demo]4> yeah that one should 11:03 What about unholy water? 11:03 what would polymorph do? If it would polymorph you then it's not really safe 11:04 'Nearly four years' experience of the magical world told Harry that sticking his finger into a bowl of unknown substance was a very stupid thing to do.' 11:05 it will polymorph your finger, doing some damage and decreasing your Dx 11:05 Mm 11:05 Not sure whether you'd be able to wield a weapon as effectively after that, too. 11:06 unless you've been smart and dipped your offhand finger 11:06 True, and you aren't trying to wield a weapon with that as well. 11:06 <[Demo]4> you don't really need all your fingers 11:06 "Your left hand won't hold a weapon! You drop a +7 silver saber." 11:07 perhaps, yeah. 11:07 [Demo]4: right, there was a girl in my daughters' fencing class who had only a thumb and 2 fingers on her right hand, and she was as good as anyone else 11:08 :o 11:08 (accident when she was small, I think, it didn't look like intrinsic) 11:08 <[Demo]4> just don't dip your whole hand in it 11:09 <[Demo]4> I think at some point I wanna add a less op doppelganger role to ndnh 11:11 role? why role? 11:11 <[Demo]4> meant race oopso 11:11 <[Demo]4> anyway it'll have a few parts to it 11:12 <[Demo]4> permanent polymorph will be a lot less available 11:12 <[Demo]4> mirroring enemy attack will be more available 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:4640 11:12 <[Demo]4> polymorph options will be based essentially on storing a permonst int in a slot 11:12 Like Kirby? 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:39467 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39468 11:14 <[Demo]4> sort of yeah but more controlled 11:17 this could also be applicable to the proposed Druid class 11:22 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 11:32 spiders spinning webs in soko corridors :\ 11:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:42 -!- BEHiker57W has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:43 -!- lel has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:45 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 11:48 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:3164 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] iyarkonan (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 20 points, T:21, killed by kicking a wall 12:04 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:05 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13391 12:09 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a broadsword bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:13623 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "a greased fixed holy +3 helm of brilliance", on T:40180 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:40200 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3749 points, T:4230, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:31 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:41178 12:32 are there any strategies for using polymorph + polymorph control on Astral? 12:33 Not particularly, nothing special for that level. 12:33 kk 12:33 You can't phase or anything. 12:33 aosdict: how about the other planes? 12:33 I mean, polyself into a master mind flayer, for instance, is probably better than your normal form, but it's not an astral specific strategy 12:34 <@ChristmIceBox> ID puzzle for everyone here 12:34 aosdict: interesting - what's the #monster ability for MMF? 12:34 <@ChristmIceBox> informally ID'ed touchstone and either flint/luck stones and i've found a large box with a "gray stone" in it 12:34 aosdict: brain sucking? 12:34 <@ChristmIceBox> if i can lift the large box, does that mean that it's NOT a loadstone 12:35 eraserhead97: xorn polyself is good on earth, anything flying is good on air, anything flying remains good on fire, water doesn't really have any good polyforms 12:35 <@ChristmIceBox> str. of 11 currently and close to burdened anyways 12:35 @IceBox just tip the box in a spot that will let you kick it 12:35 <@ChristmIceBox> you can tip boxes!? 12:35 eraserhead97: mind flayer brainsuck is passive, it's not a #monster ability 12:35 @IceBox yes, with the #tip command introduced in 3.6.0 12:36 aosdict: I'll try that - air suggestion sounds good - ty ^^ 12:36 eraserhead97: (note that mind flayers and MMFs fly so they're pretty good) 12:36 <@ChristmIceBox> excellent! 12:36 <@ChristmIceBox> it was a loadstone, ps 12:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:37 hmm... loadstones do have a base weight of 500... 12:37 aosdict: btw, xnh is a blast - I ended up accumulating a ton of xp just from melee (vegan so no W's) - at Xp:21 and haven't reached the bottom of G yet (or found Vlad) - ended up bumping into Yeenoghu + Demo last night... 12:38 yes, the XP curve is taken from fiqhack, designed so that you actually keep getting levels as you progress 12:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:40 In my sample of one as an evil monk, the start game was easier and the end-game harder. The game, overall, is more pleasant and less full-of-despair... 12:40 wait until you experience the blissful lack of mysterious force 12:40 oh, yeah - I'm gonna luv that ^^ 12:40 (though you're Cha so it wouldn't have been that awful) 12:42 so I'm guessing fiq's XP curve is more linear compared to vanilla? 12:42 it surprised me, because I usually try to keep my toons around Xp:14-15 to avoid Yoghurt and Demo 12:43 but it was a good experience - I know how to deal with them now 12:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:44 XL 1-10 is 2^n times something. 10-20 are triangular numbers * 1000, so they're not linear, but it's lightly quadratic instead of exponential 12:45 makes sense 12:49 aosdict: I like the new maze maps, too, with the larger rooms - breaks the tedium of G 12:50 Well, they're a temporary solution. Ultimately I want something more open than mazes for Gehennom. 12:50 But they have been pretty well received. 12:50 cool - looking forward to your final solution ^^ 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class R, on T:41787 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] Noah (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1204 points, T:3593, killed by a rothe 12:57 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] archery (Ran Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5350 13:01 -!- shadowcat22 has joined #hardfought 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:42622 13:05 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 13:07 <@Tone> aosdict, eraserhead97: Be careful with mmf on Astral, they have low max hp and can't melee the Riders 13:07 <@Tone> Also don't melee anything with passive damage 13:07 Oh yes, don't melee the Riders. 13:07 the brain of death was not meant for mortal man 13:07 <@Tone> The #monster attack is kind of useless except for waking up the Wizard from outside of the tower, I think 13:08 well it deals damage right? 13:08 <@Tone> Yes but you can't even choose the target, I think 13:09 <@Tone> Air elemental is pretty nice on Astral and for the planes in general, although they can't cast jumping or other spells anymore 13:09 i always melee the riders 13:09 <@Tone> But they can move fast and zap tele wands 13:09 Air elemental also breaks armor, doesn't it? 13:10 <@Tone> They can't wear it, not sure if it breaks 13:10 <@Tone> If you poly into one on air you get the hp bonus which is nice 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Val Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a quasit, on T:6074 13:11 <@Tone> And air elementals can't engulf you 13:11 <@Tone> Also be careful with flying forms on the plane of fire, if you die over lava you'll fall in 13:12 <@Tone> Look out for fire giants throwing boulders and splashing lava on you 13:12 <@Tone> For the plane of water I'm leaning towards water troll as the best form, but I haven't really tried it yet 13:13 <@Luxcalibur> they don't break armor 13:13 <@Luxcalibur> unsolid 13:13 <@Tone> And if you unpoly outside of of a bubble you'll die 13:14 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 67782 points, T:16826, killed by a troll 13:16 Tone: thx for the air elemental tip ^^ 2 questions: if I'm wearing GSM and quaff a potion of polymorph w/ring of PC, I can still switch to air elemental? What happens to GSM and encumbrance? 13:16 so I need to bag chest-armor or all armor before quaffing? 13:18 <@Tone> I think it will drop to the ground 13:18 <@Tone> You can just remove it and leave it in your inventory 13:18 <@Tone> Not sure how their carrying capacity it, that can be an issue with some poly forms 13:19 -!- Chris__ has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__] by ChanServ 13:19 <@Tone> Also air eles can't put on or remove rings and amulets, but they keep whatever you were wearing when they polymorphed 13:20 <@Tone> oh were you asking about gdsm because of MR? Zapping yourself with a wand will override that, I think a potion will do the same thing 13:20 <@Tone> And you don't have to turn into a dragon if you have poly control 13:21 YANI: More exclamations for peacefuls turning hostile when they see you attack a peaceful: "Hey!" "Stop that!" "Get [him/her]!" "Oy!" "Jerk!" "Try me instead!" 13:22 if hallucinating: "Dude!" "Not cool!" 13:22 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:22 Tone: thx for the sanity check on the GSM ^^ 13:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:43368 13:24 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5205 points, T:4412, killed by an Uruk-hai called Athosog of Aunu 13:27 Aunu? Sounds like Anu in a poor disguise 13:28 wow, latest change in vanilla to make clairvoyance show you items too is so, so nice for gehennom 13:28 thank you nethack devs 13:29 a change so latest that it wasn't there when I looked at the repo a couple hours ago? 13:29 I don't see it. 13:30 <@Tone> Does it work like object detection or does it only show items on the ground? 13:30 maybe it was in the beginning of november and I just didn't know about it because I was playing the TNNT branch 13:30 but that's what clairvoyance is doing rn 13:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:30 -!- shadowcat22 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:32 it is a huge clairvoyance buff. It also shows you hiding creatures as an 'I'. I can't tell yet whether it's showing me objects like blessed object detection or like uncursed object detection 13:32 it shows underwater items, though, for example, so it's better than mere sight 13:32 although it caused me to walk into the water on jui's level because I didn't realize I was being shown an underwater item 13:32 there's a 2017 commit... and a 2016 commit... 13:33 oh crap don't tell me this is an unintentional bug :p 13:33 no one tell them 13:34 i *think* it's working like blessed object detection within the clairvoyance rectangle 13:34 what item specifically did it detect? 13:35 tonssss 13:35 for one thing, i killed jui over water and it showed me a wand he dropped 13:35 here i'll give a precise example on the next level 13:35 this level is contaminated because i already did a regular !o.d. 13:36 in the 2016 commit it shows monsters when cast as a spell... 13:36 it detected gold pieces, a boulder, "some stones", a gem, a tripe ration, a wand, a lamp 13:36 so not blessed o.d. 13:37 I went down the stairs and waited on the stairs until clairvoyance kicked in 13:37 i'll stay here for a moment in case anyone wants to go and watch hypnotist to see what i mean 13:37 no need, confirmed locally 13:38 i don't have the Eyes or anything 13:38 ah ok 13:38 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:38 it's acting kinda like the Eyes though except I don't think they see underwater 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6834 13:39 nooodle: It looks like it is a bug. 13:39 drat! 13:39 it's so nice :p 13:39 It sets ter_typ to all possible things to show, then later adds in stuff that was already there. looks like ter_typ is supposed to be just TER_MAP. 13:40 and not include TER_OBJ 13:40 what were they trying to accomplish in that commit? 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] oh6 (Val Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:7038 13:41 the commit buffed blessed spell clairvoyance by having it show monsters, and revamped the spell so that the caster can move the cursor around to look at the monsters before the immediate effect ends and the detected monsters go away. 13:43 oh ok :) well, it's affecting donation-based clairvoyance too, also 13:43 yes so the bug is that any clairvoyance detects everything: terrain, traps, objects, monster positions 13:44 when I write the bug report I'll point out that no one has complained about this for over two years, though... 13:44 it wasn't doing this before when I was playing 3.6.2 13:44 i don't think... 13:45 maybe there was another bug that masked it or something 13:47 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class R, on T:38111 13:47 mother baked cookies for me 13:47 * stenno noms cookies 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1440 points, T:2233, killed by a bolt of lightning 13:49 i am from tech support and i am here to delete your cookies 13:49 mah cookies 13:50 * stenno saves cookies in localstorage 13:51 <@Tone> I get clairvoyance from priests a lot and it definitely hasn't been doing that 13:51 Tone, when was the last time you did it in hdf 3.6.2? 13:52 <@Tone> Well I just meant over the past two years, confirming that it is indeed new behavior 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:44268 13:52 all I know is the last commit which mentions clairvoyance was in 2017, and that was just a bugfix to the 2016 commit 13:53 ah, yeah 13:53 -!- Chris__ is now known as Chris_ANG 13:53 most likely some other change to how sight work caused the latent bug to become active 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] archery (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:7202 13:53 i say, not knowing anything about nethack code 13:54 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 13:54 !lastgame 362 shadowcat 13:54 spontiff: No last game for (362,shadowcat). 13:54 hmm 13:54 !lastgame nh362 shadowcat 13:54 nooodle: No last game for (nh362,shadowcat). 13:54 <[Demo]4> God I hate when fixes introduce more bugs 13:54 <[Demo]4> that's the worst 13:55 !goat 13:55 Beholder's goat runs up and kicks spontiff in the nose! Baaaaaa! 13:56 <[Demo]4> so I investigated nethack 13:56 <[Demo]4> turns out they did fix my bug a few days or so after I reported 13:56 Is there a way of specifying the EU server? 13:56 !lastgame 362eu shadowcat 13:56 spontiff: No last game for (362eu,shadowcat). 13:56 Baaaaaa! 13:57 <@Tone> spontiff Beholder will give you the last game from each server 13:59 !lastgame shadowcat 13:59 hothraxxa: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowcat/nh361/dumplog/1543720392.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowcat/nh361/dumplog/1543698613.nh361.txt 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:44399 14:00 you can't specify the variant 14:00 thanks 14:00 weird, https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ seems to imply you can 14:01 if you can i don't have the spell 14:02 ah, now i do i think 14:02 !lastgame gh 14:02 hothraxxa: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/gh/dumplog/1543799845.gh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jt/gh/dumplog/1539546634.gh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/gh/dumplog/1529230189.gh.txt 14:02 right. you're not specifying the variant correctly 14:03 !lastgame 362-hdf shadowcat 14:03 spontiff: No last game for (362-hdf,shadowcat). 14:03 nope 14:03 hmm 14:03 !lastgame nh361 shadowcat 14:03