00:24 Xaleth: There's also a substantial gray area in what constitutes spoilers. Is the occasional source dive okay? What about reading all of the oracles.txt and rumors.tru and rumors.fal to avoid tediously having to find them all in-game? 01:18 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 02:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:11 aosdict: uhh the only zelda game I've played is the adventure of link for the NES, I have no idea what that hand is supposed to be 02:11 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2018-11-29 22:19 EST: since slashem/slex have toilets, do they also have the mysterious paper-demanding hand from Zelda? 02:13 !tell Antichthon did you get to play with the doppelgangers after that cursed confused genocide? 02:13 Antichthon shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, bug_sniper. 02:15 bug_sniper: not sure if Antichthon ever was in this channel; only saw him in the other 02:15 oh well 02:15 also I think the confused cursed genocide scroll summons actual player monsters instead of doppelgangers 02:15 also, I was wondering what happens when you wish for a +1? 02:16 like one guy on the qdb 02:16 a +1 what? scroll of genocide? probably doesn't make a difference 02:17 yani: wishing for a +1 gives you a +1 counter object that gives you +1 to hit and damage for 5000 turns 02:18 I'm thinking of magic the gathering right now 02:20 how do you play in wizard mode on hardfought? 02:22 uhh I guess you have to be K2 for that? 02:23 -!- ShivanHunter has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:24 -!- ShivanHunter has joined #hardfought 02:31 oh luxidream. I mean, how else can he get 5 wishes by turn 5? 02:31 *or 02:32 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33 hmm, maybe he was playing a variant that somehow lets players enable explore mode for testing purposes, I think FIQhack has such an option 02:36 <@Luxcalibur> nh4 has explore mode 02:36 ah, so all variants that are nh4-based will probably have it 02:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:37 <@Luxcalibur> I was resting wishing for silly fruit names because someone in the clan asked about it 02:37 <@Luxcalibur> *testing 02:41 bug_sniper: you dont 02:41 wiz mode is disabled on public server 02:43 [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Cav Hum Mal Law), 747 points, T:828, killed by a gnome lord 02:58 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 02:58 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:02 I find it funny that the tnnt clan management page still says "Okay, but is this web page all? No. This page is put up in advance so that players can sign up for the tournament and gather themselves into clans. Once the tournament starts, the real scoreboard web will become available." on the last day of the tournament :D 03:12 it also says on in the #tnnt topic "The Tournament has started!" as if we didn't know 03:43 [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 539 points, T:1150, killed by a gnome zombie 03:45 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:48 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:49 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:50 -!- raisse is now known as Guest75020 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 384 points, T:813, killed by a little dog 03:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] boonzee (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7334 03:58 -!- Guest75020 is now known as raisse 04:41 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 04:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2582 points, T:2168, killed by a gnome 04:47 Evil Patch idea: the floor in a cockatrice nest turns you to stone unless you're wearing boots, because the cockatrices have lived in there for so long the ground is covered in shedding residue and stuff, which, being made of cockatrice skin, is petrifying too of course. 05:13 !tell jonadab decided to make part of my to-do list public: https://pastebin.com/raw/kkKi3CbJ - you appear rather frequently in there because I didn't get around to implementing all the EPIs yet ;) 05:13 jonadab shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, LarienTelrunya. 05:14 LarienTelrunya: I like the cockatrice nest idea! 05:14 :) though I'm not sure whether the petrification should be instant; I guess if lizard corpses were going to cure it, you'd have to step out of the room first because otherwise you'd still be touching the petrifying floor 05:16 yes, should perhaps be like being hissed at 05:16 you step into the room and "you are slowing down" so you can step back and eat your lizard corpse 05:16 that would make it less evil and more fun 05:19 EPI: bumping into an invisible, concealing or hiding monster that has a passive attack will subject you to that passive attack, even when getting "Wait! There's something there you cannot see!" 05:57 Well, with a mimic that does in fact stick you to it. 05:59 And the way shopkeepers handle that is even more evil. 06:04 hahaha EPI: bumping into a shopkeeper sticks you to him, and then you have to either teleport away, or you have to fight him and hope you win. 06:05 * Andrio zaps a wand of sleep! 06:05 well, they're pretty fast anyway, until you zap them with a wand of sleep. 06:05 Except when they call the Kops and they fill up the store and block the entrance. 06:06 Wait, LarienTelrunya! The shopkeeper is really a giant mimic! 06:07 don't shopkeepers have like 50% MR and are thus quite likely to resist the sleep ray? and since the first zap angers him (for the EPI, it's assumed that just sticking to him does not), he'll then kick the player's butt 06:08 [hdf-us] [gh] Maihemm (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 247 points, T:677, killed by an iguana 06:08 In my case he was already angered. 06:08 And ah 06:08 So he just wants a hug? 06:11 I'm still wondering why my pets have a better track record of fighting shopkeepers than mimics 06:14 the shopkeeper deals just slightly more melee damage (per attack turn) than a giant mimic, and speed differences are irrelevant for pet-versus-monster combat, but the shopkeeper's level is higher so the pet is probably less likely to attack him before it's ready to handle him? 06:14 Mm 06:15 Fully-leveled warhorses do attack level 10 shopkeepers though. 06:15 And sometimes they win. 06:15 Good point. 06:19 I think there's one variant (dnethack?) where the speed actually works in mvm combat, which would give the warhorse an even greater advantage in that fight, and also allows it to absolutely obliterate the slow mimics :D 06:43 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 06:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:26 LarienTelrunya: [backscroll] AFAIK every single variant and vanilla allows you to enter explore mode during a normal game 07:26 LarienTelrunya: also play majora's mask 07:28 aosdict: not on the server though 07:28 also where the hell am I supposed to find the time to play yet another game? 07:28 by the way, here's part of slex's current to-do list: https://pastebin.com/raw/kkKi3CbJ - your name appears quite a lot in there because I didn't get around to implementing all the ideas you had :D 07:29 I was reading through it in the hopes of finding serious variant agnostic ideas but alas 07:29 heh, it's lots of YASIs and EPIs 07:30 although I want to see the "magic whistling" spell in other variants 07:32 ooh nice! 08:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:43 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:08 okay now I really want to know what vanilla commit 4ffe088 was about 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 402 points, T:1094, killed by Ms. Adjama, the shopkeeper 09:24 People getting wood nymphs mixed up with Woodland-elves? 09:25 Like how genociding 'master mindflayer' doesn't kill you any more. 09:40 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:54 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 10:02 -!- barcabuona has joined #hardfought 10:17 -!- barcabuona has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.3] 10:19 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 10:28 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 10:34 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:54 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 15669 points, T:6383, killed by a soldier ant 11:21 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:38 -!- stenno is now known as Guest99880 11:38 -!- Guest99880 has quit [Killed (livingstone.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 11:38 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 11:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:51 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:51 !who 11:51 PavelB: [hdf-us] toneLive [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] hypnotist [tnnt] Bartlem [tnnt] Noah [tnnt] pinball [tnnt] fusillade [nh362] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [tnnt] PeterQ [tnnt] voffer [tnnt] Raisse [tnnt] elenmirie [tnnt] | [hdf-au] attie [tnnt] 11:55 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class U), on T:34058 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:34059 12:16 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 12:25 -!- zBION1C has joined #hardfought 12:25 -!- zBION1C has left #hardfought 12:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:50 -!- stenno_ is now known as stenno 12:58 <[Demo]4> whoa, aosdict tricked the dt into fixing something?? 12:58 ? 12:58 I tricked them? 12:59 <[Demo]4> well usually reporting things isn't enough to get them fixed 12:59 <[Demo]4> so I can only assume there was trickery involved 12:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:59 What did aosdict do 13:00 Usually when I report something it's fixed by PatR in a day or two 13:00 This is a very common occurrence 13:00 [Demo]4: The difference is before 3.6 we didn't have the ability to see that they actually fixed it. 13:01 <[Demo]4> then again I wouldn't know cause I never follow 3.6 development so nevermind 13:26 aosdict: yes, when I report something it's usually fixed real soon too 13:26 (like the Sting/spiderweb thing where Sting would cut through a web forever but not allow you to move until you unwieided it) 13:28 * aosdict grumbles some more about sting still being useless or worse than useless for most characters 13:28 *who are caught in a spiderweb 13:28 I like the orc warning if I'm going to wield a (n elven) dagger anyway. 13:29 i.e. when I'm a dagger-wielding role who is not an orc 13:29 like a gnome wizard, or a tourist 13:30 there was another recent Sting change 13:31 it no longer glows, it gives off a light blue aura. cosmetic change but I don't like how it overlaps with holiness light blue auras 13:31 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44 Does that also apply to Glamdring? 13:44 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-11-30 05:13 EST: decided to make part of my to-do list public: https://pastebin.com/raw/kkKi3CbJ - you appear rather frequently in there because I didn't get around to implementing all the EPIs yet ;) 13:44 jonadab: since when does glamdring exist in nethack? 13:44 Orcrist? Whichever one of those swords was implemented. 13:45 The one that's technically better than Sting but way less likely to be used. 13:47 orcrist yes 13:55 YASI: pad out the artifact list with basically every named weapon you can find in literature anywhere. Glamdring, Anduril, Kvalnir, Indreju, Thorn, Bright Nail, Minneyar, Naidel, Dyrnwyn, the Sword of Shannara, the Sword of Leah, The Sword of Truth, Jaxi, The Singing Sword, The Sword of Gryffindor, ... 13:57 Also, why is there no named aklys artifact? 13:57 because no fantasy literature ever uses aklyses? 13:58 So make one up. You can't tell me _none_ of the artifacts in the list were made up for the game. 14:01 I can give you the Ashandarei as an artifact glaive. 14:08 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 14:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:38277 14:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38279 14:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:57 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 14:58 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in] 15:02 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 15:02 -!- Menche has quit [Excess Flood] 15:05 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 15:06 -!- Menche_ has quit [Quit: *BLAM* Clone Terminated.] 15:30 Why does playing slex with hallu on feel exactly the same as without? 15:31 Ooo. the sword of gryffindor 15:35 hahaha :D 15:35 ask Elronnd, he'll tell you that slex hallu sucks :P 15:35 and, why does my hand blaster not do...anything 15:36 well, do you have ammo? you can't fire it without ammo 15:36 it needs ammo? 15:36 what kinda ammo 15:36 yes, blaster bolts or laser beams 15:36 if it's post harry potter series I would expect the sword of gryffindor to be, basically, DIRGE 15:39 nope the sword of gryffindor is lawful 15:39 yes, lawful, but it would poison enemies 15:39 hm 15:40 Amy, slex is clearly on crack 15:40 Porkman: haha, I can assure you that I wasn't on drugs at any point of coding 15:41 Kinda wish you had been. I would have wanted your dealer's number to get some of the same stuff 15:41 heh, a couple days ago my roommate asked me "what the hell have you been smoking, do you still have some of it left?" :P 15:43 was this after seeing slex 15:44 nah, she was doing a dramatic reading of one of my fanfics 15:51 [hdf-us] [slex] porkman (Wiz Tro Mal Cha), 73839 points, T:6261, killed by a monster (deep gnome), while dragging an iron ball 15:53 aww, rip 15:54 the Porkman clearly needs to be a class in the next incarnation of slex. 15:54 when it dies, it leaves bone piles with artifacts and insanely hard monsters 15:57 btw, what is a finalized item in slex 15:58 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 15:58 means that you cannot blank, cancel or polymorph the item 15:59 and like 15:59 where's a description of all these spells, scrolls, items, crap 16:00 if I knew what stuff does I would possibly be able to ascend slex 16:00 oh I guess you don't know about in-game item descriptions yet? hit an item's corresponding letter in main inventory view 16:02 Porkman: Clearly with this information you must now do an all-roles streak. 16:03 nah. i don't even know what 98% of these roles even do 16:03 plus I don't think every game is winnable 16:03 just pick the failed existence, it's the BEST ROLE!!!!!!!11111 (seriously, they're one of the hardest) 16:05 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:33945 16:06 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33954 16:14 and what's numbness? 16:14 numbness slows you down a bit and also reduces your to-hit, spellcasting chances etc. 16:14 Does numbness also cause you to not receive messages about pain? 16:15 hah, I guess that would make sense 16:15 Also sad feelings. 16:16 what's a well? 16:16 and do you have a slex channel? 16:16 you can quaff from the well for nutrition and HP restoration 16:16 yes: #em.slashem.me 16:17 Antichthon is there, he's also playing right now and he is on level 60 or so of Gehennom; he might ascend 16:17 180k turns into the game too 16:28 Porkman: nonono you've got it all wrong 16:28 playing slex with hallu makes it 60 million times worse 16:32 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:51 Elronnd: How do you tell the difference? 16:52 YASI: if you have hallu in slex, all the colors flatten to grayscale. Including the ones you otherwise can't configure away. 16:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:12 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 17:50 no no no 17:51 it turns the colour of sparkly rainbows -- and not in a good way 17:51 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 17:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:01 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 18:04 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:04 -!- Nanoc_The_Librar has joined #hardfought 18:09 [hdf-us] [un] boonzee (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:3416 18:15 [hdf-us] [un] boonzee (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 glowing dragon scale mail", on T:3417 18:17 <[Demo]4> wow, glowing 18:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:45692 18:24 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 18:29 So, what happens at 12:01 AM? Our characters suddenly cease to exist? Or, we can finish our characters but scoring is no longer counted in the tournament? 18:29 <[Demo]4> oh shit man that shits about to end 18:29 Nanoc_The_Librar: games won't count 18:29 <[Demo]4> time to wuit 18:29 <[Demo]4> quit 18:29 <[Demo]4> thats what im supposed to do now, right? 18:29 <[Demo]4> or should i escape? 18:30 <[Demo]4> plz advise 18:46 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:54 [hdf-us] [fh] Airnos the Gray (Maihemm) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 21956 points, T:1585, killed by a giant rat 18:57 -!- Glord has joined #hardfought 19:04 -!- werekitten is now known as isha 19:08 -!- Glord has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:12 !asc hypnotist 19:12 nooodle: [hdf-us] hypnotist has ascended 46 times in 90 games (51.11%): nh362:46 (52.87%) 19:24 !asc winny 19:24 winny: [hdf-us] winny has ascended 1 times in 97 games (1.03%): nh362:1 (2.17%) 19:26 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 19:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "magic marker named Ticonderoga", on T:46907 19:29 <[Demo]4> lol 19:41 -!- PeterQ has left #hardfought 19:44 "Prepare to die, thou blackguard!" 19:44 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 19:48 <@bugsniper> !nethackrc FIQ 19:49 <@bugsniper> !rcfile FIQ 19:49 <@bugsniper> !rcfile FIQ 19:49 <[Demo]4> i like fiq lol 19:49 <@bugsniper> is your fruit still wands of wishing? 19:50 <@bugsniper> !rc FIQ 19:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:47671 20:00 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:02 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 20:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:48078 20:19 Finish that later 20:29 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 20:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 20:34 -!- Antichthon has joined #hardfought 20:35 I'd like to talk to an admin about recovering a crashed game. 20:35 Antichthon: Message from bug_sniper at 2018-11-30 02:13 EST: did you get to play with the doppelgangers after that cursed confused genocide? 20:35 <[Demo]4> on esm lol good luck or r u on hdf? 20:36 I thought that summoned actual player monsters, not doppelgangers. 20:36 On hardfought, Demo. That's why I'm here. 20:36 <[Demo]4> oh the whole time i thought u were playing on esm lol 20:36 <[Demo]4> well its glug mug friday so k2 is probably busy 20:38 Not sure what the standard operating practice is; Should I PM them, or is that rude? 20:39 What's... glug mug friday 20:39 probably involves alcohol 20:41 <[Demo]4> and improperly made jello 20:43 Potions of booze and tins of blue jelly? 20:45 <[Demo]4> and mugs 20:47 the heck 20:48 <[Demo]4> sorry lol 21:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:03 . 21:03 AntiGulp: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-11-28 08:29 EST: an artifact that blows up the wielder's items? sounds like a nice downside for an otherwise overpowered artifact (if the artifact in question is overpowered otherwise; i.e. might make for nice evil patch ideas :D) 21:04 !tell LarienTelrunya I looked at the Slex design doc and I have so many feelings but am equal parts confused, overjoyed, offended, and impressed. 21:04 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, AntiGulp. 21:06 YASI: Scroll of Sheherezade, as inspired by Magic the Gathering. Reading one forks a new nethack process, and if you ascend the subgame you get a wish. The catch is that you can read scrolls of sheherezade inside the subgame and fork more nethack processes… 21:13 I thought it was scheherazade but could be wrong 21:13 I read "You can rub rocks together or on touchstones to break them" from the xnh docs as "you can rub socks together" ._. 21:13 hahaha 21:13 destroy the socks 21:16 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:24 YANI: Wool socks that keep your feet warm/give cold resistance in the boots slot 21:27 That makes me think of cataclysm. Nethack with Cataclysm’s equipment system would be… interesting… 21:30 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 21:31 PavelB, I'm imagining you going outside when its -10C, wearing nothing but woollen socks 21:31 so when the hero puts on snow boots, they're obviously not using socks. ew. 21:31 yuck, stinky 21:32 Grassy: They're magical artifact socks of grandma 21:32 but then, real Nethack heroes don't even bother with underwear (or even pants!) 21:32 We're all running around a dungeon with no pants and no underwear on 21:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:33 Might explain some mysterious poison instadeaths 21:40 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:57 [hdf-us] [fh] Leros Sly (Maihemm) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 30753 points, T:2671, killed by a kitten 22:06 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 22:11 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 22:26 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 22:44 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 22:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 22:46 Decorated my lair with a nice new Rodney statue 22:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:03 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06 [hdf-us] [un] boonzee (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:12101 23:06 -!- kozet has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08 [hdf-us] [un] boonzee (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 water walking boots", on T:12105 23:25 So, if I finish a tournament game after it closes, do I get credit for an ascension, but no tournament score? Will people even have access to tournament save games just to finish them (after it closes)? 23:39 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 23:41 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:56 -!- Nanoc_The_Librar has quit [Quit: Page closed]