00:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Pri Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38072 00:02 * Elronnd wonders why the iron ball still hinders movement, now that ais523 is on the devteam 00:02 it's basically an interface trap 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Pri Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:38662 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Pri Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38662 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Pri Hum Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:38762 00:11 Elronnd: ais523 doesn't get to automatically apply all the design decisions of acehack onto vanilla just by joining the devteam. 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed helm of opposite alignment", on T:38805 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Pri Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:38811 00:12 Also, not sure why you see it as an interface trap? It has an actual in-game effect that alters your strategy, even if it's strictly bad 00:13 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 2050238 points, T:38826, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/CropperS/nh361/dumplog/1542512079.nh361.txt 00:17 you can't fast-travel 00:18 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:18 that's not really a mechanic, just an interface feature like autoexplore 00:19 Oh, so when you say hindering movement you're referring to the lack of _ travel? 00:19 Not its actual speed-reducing mechanic. 00:20 yeah 00:20 also shift+dir 00:21 Another answer to your question is that ais seems to barely have time for any nethack stuff these days, and a lot of that goes towards non-devteam stuff 00:21 and therefore, no one is actually looking at this as a problem 01:00 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 77120 points, T:19672, killed by Ms. Tuktoyaktuk, the shopkeeper 01:09 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 334 points, T:521, killed by a water moccasin 01:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:23 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:24 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2160 points, T:2478, killed by a dingo, while helpless 01:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 20 points, T:213, killed by a jackal 01:27 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 01:28 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 01:45 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 120 points, T:229, killed by a water elemental 01:54 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 833 points, T:1028, killed by an acid blob 02:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:11 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:07 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 4708 points, T:4948, killed by a gnome lord 03:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3600 points, T:2191, killed by something while blind 03:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 4881 points, T:2368, killed by a watchman 03:48 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 917 points, T:1004, killed by a recluse spider 04:01 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:01 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 04:19 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 4063 points, T:2857, killed by a soldier ant 04:22 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 04:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 04:22 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:31 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:47 Elronnd: you also have to remember that most people on the DevTeam don't actually play the game. that has been a long standing suspicion of the community and for the time I'm been on the DevTeam, I haven't seen anything contrary to that idea. 04:47 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 04:47 Elronnd: so you have to voice such things, otherwise it doesn't get attention at all. 04:48 I can't tell you how many times I stopped and implemented something right away because it was annoying to play. 04:48 bhaak: does that mean that you, being a member of the 3.6 devteam, never play 3.6 either? 04:48 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-11-20 16:15 EST: I rubbed the lamp to see if it was magic, it gave me a peaceful dao, but it also gave me an empty bottle (like a smoky potion would). feeling that's a bug. 04:49 e.g. removing the 4th level of sokoban or showing the price when you walk over items in a shop are examples of that. 04:50 LarienTelrunya: hardly. sometimes but not often. too many interface screws that are fixed in unnethack but not in 3.6. 04:50 haha :D 04:50 but... you're a special case because you also have your own variant! you don't count :P so the "actual" devteam members, i.e. Pat Rankin, paxed etc. who don't have their own variants, don't ever play either? 04:50 at home, I have currently no comfortable way of playing with numpad, even though I have a usb numpad. so I'm missing autotravel the most 04:52 I think Pat reacts mostly to bug reports but once in a while, in his commits you find the phrase "while playing". but that could also just mean "test playing" 04:53 paxed probably also not much, I don't see a change in his commits from when he was maintaining only NAO 04:54 but he has been always keen on getting interface improvements into the game but most of them came from variants. he also has some ambition to make the game more friendly to blind players 04:55 playing nethack blind sounds ultra cumbersome to me, you probably need a screen reader and the ability to remember (in your head) what is exactly where 04:55 ais also has his variant, although I'm not sure what state he considers it to be in. 04:57 blind nethack players usually do have screen readers, yes 05:00 Elronnd: just remember this bug: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Yeenoghu#.22A_ludicrous_bug.22 05:01 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 05:02 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 05:03 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:17 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:17 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:21 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 05:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:33 -!- ykkie has joined #hardfought 05:38 -!- aeoi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:42 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 05:44 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:49 -!- remirol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:50 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 05:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 06:05 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 06:09 -!- ykkie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:36 -!- ykkie has joined #hardfought 06:40 -!- aeoi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:40 -!- uruwi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:40 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 06:40 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 621 points, T:1444, killed by a gas spore's explosion 06:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 84 points, T:465, killed by contaminated water 06:53 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 526 points, T:1079, killed by a werejackal 07:01 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1120 points, T:934, killed by a water demon 07:03 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 177 points, T:274, killed by a falling rock 07:07 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 07:11 -!- ykkie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:22 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:38 -!- ykkie has joined #hardfought 07:39 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:40 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 07:42 -!- aeoi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:43 -!- [Demo]2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:43 -!- [Demo]3 has joined #hardfought 07:45 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:01 bhaak: 3.6.x has already taken a bunch of interface improvements from unnethack, why not add more until you're satisfied with them? 08:05 aosdict: autotravel is the one that probably hurts the most but is also the one most unlikely to get in as far as I can see. I don't know paxed stand on that but ais is not a big fan ot it, even though he made the initial implementation. 08:06 paxed pointed out recently that 3.6.x more or less has autotravel via _x (this is indirectly a feature to help blind players). 08:06 Well, autoexplore. 08:08 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 08:12 -!- ykkie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:12 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 08:14 right, I've been using the word and didn't know why it looked odd to me 08:14 autöxplore 08:15 -!- aeoi has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:21 and valid as the complaints are about autoexplore... nethack would probably get more players by having it. 08:23 The "use < to travel to the up stair, > to travel to the down stair" thing, inspired by Brogue, seems more useful to me. 08:25 what do you mean? how is that different from _>. ? 08:25 it's a lot more convenient 08:26 it's basically just aliasing < when not on an < to mean _<. but that saves a lot of time 08:27 ah, okay. that would be easy to do. I wouldn't even expect any objection to that into vanilla 08:28 it's probably on several people's "I dunno why the devteam hasn't just added this already, it's a no-brainer" lists 08:29 That's different from general autoexplore though. 08:29 which variants have it already? 08:30 I thought unnethack did :-) 08:30 not autoexploring, the <> thing 08:31 muscle memory is a bitch, though. you often forget to even notice you could do things differently 08:31 no 3.6 variant to my knowledge (there are 3 of them now I guess so I can start talking about them as a group rather than a pair) 08:31 I would add it, but am probably not familiar enough with the travel code 08:32 I'm not sure if it even needs change of the travel code. I would have guessed you need to add code before invoking the travel code. 08:34 check if the players knows any > stairs, if there is only one, fake the > and . input and let it run, if there are more than 1 > fake the > input and let to travel code do it's normal selection thing 08:34 which is the third 3.6 variant? tnnt? 08:38 I believe FIQHack has it. 08:38 And yes, it's just syntax sugar, but it's so handy. 08:42 bhaak: no, evilhack by K2 08:42 in my opinion, tnnt isn't a variant and isn't trying to be 08:43 d2dcd919 Pressing > or < when not on a stair will now invoke travel 08:43 yeah, fiqhack does 08:47 what about wielding a pickaxe? 08:48 won't > make you dig down on the spot any more? 08:48 I assume autodig would override that. 08:54 if I read fiqhack's correctly, it does override it completely. that is, even if you can't dig down at your current location, it will not travel to the stairs. 08:54 that's probably sensible. 08:54 less surprises 09:24 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 09:36 [hdf-us] [un] jailbird (Con Vam Mal Cha), 69254 points, T:16056, killed by a xorn, while sleeping 09:37 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 10:20 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:21 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 10:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v aosdict] by ChanServ 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 805 points, T:2366, killed by a rock mole 10:40 bhaak: if autodigdown or whatever the config option is called, wielding an appropriate weapon overrides it 10:40 levitation also overrides it (whether it's blessed or not) 10:41 *if it's enabled 10:41 why? and also for < ? 10:41 not for <, but for > 10:41 okay 10:41 because blessed levi makes you unlevi by doing > 10:42 do you think I should travel to > regardless? it makes > while levi ambigious 10:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:59 . 10:59 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-11-20 21:36 EST: where did dread seraphs come from? 11:00 Dread Seraphs are mostly original. 11:05 <[Demo]3> dread seraph roberts 11:07 * Chris_ANG had go look up the game.... 11:08 They were inspired by Dread Reapers from Age of Wonders, but are pretty different overall. They apparently did retain the "Dread" moniker, though XD 11:28 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Tou Ang Mal Law), 283 points, T:696, killed by a death maggot 11:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5193 11:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3476 points, T:6197, killed by a gnome lord 12:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] roguery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:48348 12:39 -!- jilles has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:43 -!- jilles has joined #hardfought 12:44 -!- lonjil2 has joined #hardfought 12:45 -!- lonjil has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1679 points, T:3837, killed by an imp 13:40 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law), 196 points, T:758, killed by a magic missile 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1682 points, T:4525, killed by a dog called Napoleon, while fainted from lack of food 14:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:29 FIQ: no, I think you are right. this way you have better predictability what > will do. 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law), 708 points, T:1973, killed by a kitten 14:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:57 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 14:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 19 points, T:189, killed by a jackal 15:42 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 16:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 16:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 16:20 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 16:26 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 16:31 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 16:41 -!- oh6_ has joined #hardfought 16:42 -!- oh6 has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:42 -!- oh6_ is now known as oh6 16:55 <@Tone> Hi #hardfought, going to be live streaming some nethack - starting a new game after last night's win, a dwarven cavewoman. Link: https://www.twitch.tv/tonelive 16:56 !who 16:56 Beholder: Message from @rikersan at 2018-11-20 20:04 EST: does this work? 16:56 Beholder: Message from @rikersan at 2018-11-20 20:04 EST: hm 16:56 bug_sniper_: [hdf-us] sal [tnnt] Tmasher [tnnt] bouquet [tnnt] eraserhead97 [tnnt] deadnoob [tnnt] truebiz [tnnt] Bard [tnnt] oh6 [tnnt] hypnotist [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] roguery [nh362] jailbird [un] | [hdf-eu] toneLive [tnnt] voffer [tnnt] AlbertB [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] Raisse [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:56 appearantly it worked 16:56 heh 16:57 @Tone what time? 16:57 <@Tone> K2 I'm starting in 5 minutes and will probably be playing for 6 hours or so 16:57 good lord 16:57 lol 16:57 electricscateboard is already there somehow 16:57 <@Tone> haha yeah 16:58 i should livestream when i am trying to play a priest 16:58 <@Tone> Well I have to get some nethack in before I visit the family for a few days 16:58 you all can watch me destroy my keyboard 16:58 <@Tone> I'd watch K2 😄 16:58 <@Tone> bugsniper: electricscateboard is a bot 16:58 <@Tone> (not mine) 16:58 or watch my 6 yr old ask me a bazillion questions while trying to play 16:59 or Ozzy try to climb up in my lap while playing 16:59 (thats my 100+ lbs german shepherd) 16:59 still, that's remarkable that amazon lets the bot do that 17:00 <@Tone> There are a handful of them and yeah I don't know why they are allowed 17:00 <@Tone> I should start banning them actually 17:11 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 17:14 -!- Xaleth has quit [Client Quit] 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] roguery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:50982 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] roguery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:50984 17:23 !who 17:23 bug_sniper_: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 [tnnt] truebiz [tnnt] oh6 [tnnt] Bard [tnnt] Bugpowder [tnnt] hypnotist [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] roguery [nh362] | [hdf-eu] toneLive [tnnt] voffer [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players 17:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43 @Tone I'm gonna livestream me doing the dishes 17:43 new adventure, lets go 17:46 <@Tone> haha 😄 17:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:57 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 18:00 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:00 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:00 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 18:16 nice 18:25 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:15 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 19:31 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 19:39 <@rikersan> hey @Demo do you know if the 2x damage on the longbow of diana is on arrows or meleeing with the bow? 19:39 <@rikersan> I'd assume arrows but you never know 19:42 <@Demo> should apply to arrow, much like the bow of the skadi explosion applying to arrows 19:42 <@rikersan> cool thanks 19:43 <@rikersan> do you know if it stacks with the arti arrows' (moon/sunbeam) double damage? 19:43 YANI: Arrows fired from the Longbow of Diana explode. 19:46 <@rikersan> yani: the longbow of diana is different for neutral vs chaotic rangers. chaotic rangers get a version of Plague from slashem, which basically just automatically poisons arrows fired from it. neutral rangers get the longbow of diana, which fires generates silver arrows on invoke. lawful get the bow of apollo, which fires golden arrows (more base dmg but no silver dmg) 19:46 <@rikersan> alternatively make the crowning gift ^ and give them something else (non-wep) for a QA 19:49 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG I think i've mentioned it before, but you know that rangers/rogues/anything that starts with daggers rarely gets silver ones, right? not a huge deal but it does make scumming for a rogue starting with silver daggers a strategy 19:49 Will do, @rikersan! 20:13 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:21 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:29 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:39 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:45 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG a standard diamond is worth more than the arkenstone, 900 $ credit vs 1800 $ credit 20:45 I'm on it, @rikersan. 20:45 <@rikersan> given that the base type is a diamond, i'm gonna assume tha'ts abug 20:46 Likely. 21:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 21:28 -!- uruwi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 21:36 [hdf-us] [nh343] sness (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 11949 points, T:6988, killed by a human mummy 22:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] avgas (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2259 22:41 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 22:55 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:06 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 23:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:11427 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] opcode (Sam Hum Mal Law), 879 points, T:1397, killed by a kobold zombie, while fainted from lack of food 23:35 [hdf-us] [nh4] GW (GeorgeW1800) (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1228 points, T:106, killed by a fox, while frozen by a spellbook 23:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:13554 23:41 Weird. The listed price is 8000, not 900 23:41 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-11-21 19:49 EST: I think i've mentioned it before, but you know that rangers/rogues/anything that starts with daggers rarely gets silver ones, right? not a huge deal but it does make scumming for a rogue starting with silver daggers a strategy 23:41 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-11-21 20:45 EST: a standard diamond is worth more than the arkenstone, 900 $ credit vs 1800 $ credit 23:42 Yeah, I don't think the silver daggers are a big problem, especially given the number that spawn randomly now. 23:44 <[Demo]3> its weird though 23:44 <[Demo]3> i think it can happen to vampires? 23:49 mh, yeah, that one's weird.