00:22 <K2> xNetHack updated (all servers)
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02:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] avgas (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38296
02:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] avgas (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38303
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03:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Maulkrumb (Val Hrb Fem Law), 3801 points, T:1743, killed by brainlessness
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04:58 <barcabuona> is there any way to check weight?
04:59 <Muad> no
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05:14 <barcabuona> what does enchanting a weapon convey? how many more hit points?
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05:40 <Muad> you hit better and do more damage
05:43 <barcabuona> how much more damage?
05:44 <Muad> 1 for each enchantment
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05:44 <Muad> the better chance to-hit is often more important than the damage bonus
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06:13 <Pinkbeast> ... and also often completely irrelevant because you hit all the time anyway
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06:26 <Muad> mostly, yeah
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10:00 <barcabuona> ah ok. so it adds to precision, as well as to hit bonus (100% guarantee damage points?)?
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10:09 <K2> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/To-hit#Weapon_and_equipment
10:28 <barcabuona> hey wasnt there a feature that allowed using spears from afar in nethack once? i remember using it as a knight...
10:32 <aosdict> Lances, yes. Spears, no.
10:33 <barcabuona> ah yeah ok
10:34 <barcabuona> thx
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11:38 <uniusz> hello friends o/
11:38 <uniusz> How can i rename my pet ?
11:38 <uniusz> I had read wiki etc, and still cant do it :(
11:39 <raisse> #name, choose "a monster", point to the pet, press . and type the name
11:40 <aosdict> Or rather than #name, just type C then m
11:41 <uniusz> ohh i see
11:41 <uniusz> before i typed enter
11:41 <uniusz> thanks
11:41 <uniusz> but my pet get loss in teleportation trap :<
11:41 <aosdict> Why _does_ enter cancel out of getpos rather than confirming the space...?
11:41 <uniusz> i must find him and name him ! ;>
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11:42 <aosdict> in the getpos function: "char mMoOdDxX[13];"
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11:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] roguery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:34843
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12:20 <barcabuona> what's the power of the sacrifice based on? difficulty level? rarity?
12:20 <raisse> monster difficulty
12:20 <raisse> barcabuona: 
12:20 <raisse> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Monsters_(by_difficulty)
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12:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] roguery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:35092
12:40 <barcabuona> raisse: thx
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12:57 <bouquet> Tangles_: is there some documentation for enabling curses interface? I cloned your version but I'm not seeing any documentation on doing so.
13:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] avgas (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death, on T:41268
13:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] avgas (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41295
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13:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] avgas (Val Hum Fem Law), 946310 points, T:41296, killed by the invisible Wizard of Yendor
13:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] roguery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:37481
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14:26 <rld> <@Tone> Newt was carrying 3 athames
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15:12 <barcabuona> foodpois but god is displeased
15:14 <barcabuona> shit im gonna die unless i choose the right potion or scroll
15:15 <rld> <@Tone> :(
15:16 <barcabuona> none of the potions worked. no tripe for vomiting. no unicorn horn or prayers...
15:16 <barcabuona> i think im ded..
15:18 <barcabuona> i actually genocided myself reading scrolls randomly while confused and dying of food poisoning...
15:19 <bug_sniper> and not from self-genocide?
15:20 <barcabuona> a silly death too. was doing just fine until i went to sacrifice a body & my god didnt want it. so i ate it, but i forgot it took a bit to drag it across the level. I had just killed my pet accidentally bc my gifted axe has a slash feature which harms all monsters to my side
15:20 <barcabuona> bug_sniper: the scroll was of genocide i guess
15:20 <barcabuona> since i killed my pet i couldnt pray i guess.
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15:25 <bug_sniper> there we are
15:28 <raisse> eep cleaver, yes
15:29 <raisse> that used to be such a splendid weapon, now it's almost as annoying to have as stormbringer
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15:49 <aosdict> bug_sniper: confused uncursed genocide is self-genocide
15:49 <aosdict> oops backscroll
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16:11 <Pinkbeast> Cleaver> maddening, ain't it?
16:12 <jonadab> I like how Cleaver is in Fourk.
16:17 <raisse> how is that?
16:17 <aosdict> I like the idea that if there are peacefuls you can sense in range of the arc swing, you just don't perform the arc swing.
16:18 <raisse> okay yes, that's proper
16:18 <raisse> you only swing when everybody it can hit is hostile
16:23 <aosdict> Well, you might hit an unseen peaceful if it's there but you can't detect it.
16:24 <raisse> oh right, invisible and you don't have see invis or ESP or it's just pitch dark.
16:24 <raisse> or you're blind
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16:38 <jonadab> raisse: In Fourk, battle axes are strictly buffed compared to 3.4.3.  But the thing in Fourk that really makes it work, is that the Heart of Ahrimann's #invoke power uncurses your inventory.
16:39 <jonadab> (Well, it only uncurses equipped items for other roles, all of inventory only if you're a Barbarian.)
16:39 <raisse> oh wow, *that* is useful!
16:40 <jonadab> Basically it means Barbarians can use a two-handed weapon all game without worrying about it getting cursed.
16:40 <jonadab> Which makes Cleaver a viable option.
16:40 * Pinkbeast makes a face like last time he did Samurai he used the Tsurugi anyway
16:40 <raisse> don't have to leave holy water in strategic places like my healers, samurai and barbarians
16:41 <jonadab> Yeah, I need to do something about the Tsurugi in Fourk.  Haven't yet.
16:41 <Pinkbeast> I think I just kept it blessed and hoped (and maybe filled the inventory with light spam to give more curse targets)
16:41 <jonadab> Well, one thing is that in 4.3.0.5, the Tsurugi uses katana skill.  So you won't have to retrain.  But I need to do something about it getting cursed, as well.
16:42 <raisse> and katana != long sword?
16:42 <raisse> I mean separate skills?
16:42 <jonadab> raisse: Right.
16:42 <jonadab> In 4.3.0.5
16:42 <Pinkbeast> Doesn't #tip fix this? # also the main problem is that twoweaponers can't get stuck with two cursed weapons :-)
16:42 <jonadab> So Samurai will be back to being able to get expertin Katana, but only basic in Excalibur.
16:42 <raisse> Pinkbeast: yes, it does
16:42 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: There are several things about #tip that I don't like.
16:42 <raisse> like what?
16:42 <jonadab> But the biggest is that it feels like the wrong solution to the problem.
16:43 <jonadab> Also, it's unnecessarily complicated.
16:43 <jonadab> And if you don't think it's unnecessarily complicated, you haven't looked at how many commits in 3.6 are bugfixes for #tip.  There's a bundle.
16:44 <LarienTelrunya> bundlebundlebundle :D
16:44 <Pinkbeast> I don't really disagree, but practically speaking it does mean that with no other changes, using a two-hander is potentially really annoying, not potentially fatal
16:44 <Pinkbeast> IIRC LarienTelrunya and I had a discussion about using objects directly out of a bag during Junethack
16:44 <jonadab> Ok, but I want to solve that problem a different way.
16:44 <LarienTelrunya> the "real" solution to the cursed two-hander problem would be the slex way of having a two-handed weapons skill that, when it's high enough, allows the player to cast and use containers etc. even when their hands would normally be unuseable
16:45 <Pinkbeast> If the fluff text for cursed weapons changed from them literally being welded to your hand(s) a lot more could be allowed
16:46 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: I changed the fluff text for wooden weapons.  They aren't welded to your hands.  They grow roots into your hands.  So much better.  :-)
16:47 <Pinkbeast> Cursed rings and armour seem able to be stuck to you in a non-specific way
16:47 <jonadab> True.
16:48 <Pinkbeast> If you just don't want to put down a cursed two-hander, we can easily imagine you can rummage in your sack while holding it.
16:49 <jonadab> Eh, that makes having your weapon cursed largely unimportant.
16:49 <jonadab> Something you wouldn't even bother to fix, like as not.
16:49 <jonadab> (Well, on the asc run, you wouldn't fix it.  No need to pick-axe at that point.)
16:49 <Pinkbeast> No more than having a cursed one-hander is now (let alone the free pass for twoweapon, as discussed)
16:50 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea:  if your weapon is cursed, you can't unweild it, and it does no damage when you hit with it.
16:50 <aosdict> All of the complaints about #tip I've seen so far boil down to "it seems like the wrong approach" but no one ever proposes a better approach.
16:51 <jonadab> aosdict: I'm working on that.  Gradually.
16:51 <jonadab> The Heart of Ahrimann change was step one.  I'm very not done.
16:51 <aosdict> Also, those are addressed at it being the wrong approach to fixing cursed two-handed weapons only; there are other uses for it too. Like getting gray stones out of chests so you can kick them.
16:52 <jonadab> The gray-stone-in-a-chest thing isn't actually a problem, IMO.
16:53 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: I did propose a better approach :D
16:53 <jonadab> For one thing, once you make holy water you can just pick up a loadstone, identify or call it, uncurse, and stash.
16:54 <jonadab> Yes, you have to be careful if you find a gray stone in a chest on dungeon level two.  But I don't see that as a game design flaw.
16:54 <jonadab> There are all sorts of things you're supposed to have to be careful about in the early game.
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18:47 <barcabuona> cant believe how much more playable little ui changes (curses) made this game (and a good config from tome). I remember i actually played variants just to have a decent interface, and not get frustrated playing it...
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18:49 <Mentat_> greetings @k2 you around?
18:49 <K2> hey Mentat_
18:50 <K2> i got your email, just been dragging ass
18:50 <Mentat_> hey man, sent you an email. to the admin hardfought account
18:50 <Mentat_> u have a chance to look yet?
18:50 <Mentat_> oh lol
18:50 <Mentat_> thanks man
18:50 <Mentat_> no hurry
18:50 <K2> yeah. all those accounts went away years ago
18:50 <K2> i just have the one
18:50 <Mentat_> yeha i figured as much, if i could get it recreated maybe i might have a chance?
18:51 <K2> lemme see. not sure if i can make an alias without paying $$$
18:51 <Mentat_> i can pay pal y ou some $$$
18:51 <K2> gave up running my own email server a lil while ago, too many isp's kept rejecting it as a relay
18:51 <Mentat_> wont need it but once so i can get back in
18:51 <K2> one sec
18:51 <Mentat_> yeah its almost not worth it these days
18:52 <Mentat_> man time sure has flown.. 18 years of hardfought.. man
18:53 <K2> i know right? crazy
18:53 <K2> ok i made an alias based off what you sent me in email (all lowercase)
18:53 <K2> try a recovery now, i'll forward it to your actual email
18:53 <Mentat_> one sec
18:56 <Mentat_> ok
18:56 <Mentat_> done
18:57 <K2> k
18:57 <Mentat_> lotta hoops to jump tyhru
18:57 <K2> i can imagine
18:57 <K2> you lookin to play counterstrike again? ;)
18:57 <Mentat_> mainly wanted my account back since it was one of the first steam accounts
18:57 <K2> ah
18:57 <Mentat_> been playing a lot of escape from tarkov
18:57 <Mentat_> u?
18:58 <K2> nethack ;)
18:58 <Mentat_> yeah seen that lol
18:58 <Mentat_> u still in army?
18:58 <K2> yup, vermont army natl guard
18:58 <Mentat_> and do u still have that server i sold you lol
18:58 <K2> left active duty awhile ago
18:58 <Mentat_> and thank you for your service
18:58 <K2> thanks
18:58 <K2> you mean the 1U rackmount?
18:59 <Mentat_> was it 1u or 2u 
18:59 <Mentat_> i cant remember
18:59 <K2> 1U i think
18:59 <Mentat_> pretty sure it had dual cpus 
18:59 <Mentat_> old school shit
18:59 <K2> i traded it away a few years ago, i couldnt use it anymore
18:59 <Mentat_> came shipped in that shitty blanket
18:59 <K2> yeah cpu's were still 32bit only if i recall
18:59 <Mentat_> yeah man. its been a long long tiome
19:00 <Mentat_> i appreaciate you helping me with the recovery
19:00 <K2> the last hardfought fps server still exists, been repuprosed as a work/test bed server in my basement
19:00 <Mentat_> what kinda work u doing these days?
19:00 <K2> it sysadmin for a import/manufacturing company here in VT
19:01 <K2> not seeing an email from valve yet
19:01 <Mentat_> ah cool, i got out of IT years ago to pursue automation systems and plc stuff
19:01 <K2> nice
19:01 <K2> where are you now?
19:02 <Mentat_> im right outside of Lexington KY working for a company that makes orings and engineered seals for nasa/spacex/ge aerospace etc...
19:02 <Mentat_> support the process and equipment on sitre
19:02 <Mentat_> site
19:02 <K2> sweet
19:02 <Mentat_> gotta sayu its pretty sweet gig
19:02 <Mentat_> u ever get married or kids?
19:03 <Mentat_> been married 14 years with 13 year old daughter, who is a gamer
19:03 <K2> yeah, been married 12 yrs now, have a 6 yr old girl who's goin on 30
19:03 <Mentat_> been there lol
19:03 <K2> hahah
19:03 <Mentat_> wait till she is 13
19:03 <Mentat_> luckly i havent had any probs
19:03 <K2> test email to alias works... wtf valve
19:03 <Mentat_> bastards
19:04 <K2> yeah she's already way too smart like her momma
19:04 <K2> i'm fucked
19:04 <Mentat_> they grow up fast
19:04 <Mentat_> lol'
19:04 <Mentat_> way smarter then i was at that age for sure
19:04 <K2> my kid - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2499
19:04 <Mentat_> looks like they emailed me to my email i left then in the support request
19:05 <Mentat_> nice man
19:05 <Mentat_> u on facebook?
19:05 <K2> i was, i left it months ago
19:05 <K2> too much crap on it
19:05 <Mentat_> gotcha
19:05 <Mentat_> yeah true
19:05 <Mentat_> i need to do the same
19:05 <K2> the ppl that matter know how to reach me ;)
19:05 <Mentat_> need to get all my photos off first
19:06 <Mentat_> i feel like a stalker 
19:06 <K2> hahah
19:06 <Mentat_> will it cost  you anbything to leave that alias up a while?
19:06 <K2> still nothing from valve
19:06 <K2> no not at all, kinda surprised
19:06 <Mentat_> cool. well if you dont mind
19:06 <Mentat_> ill hit ya back in a few days 
19:07 <K2> sounds good, no trouble at all
19:07 <Mentat_> they arent none to fast over there 
19:07 <Mentat_> guess im going to play some fallout 76
19:07 <Mentat_> u on steam?
19:07 <K2> alright man, good to 'see' ya again
19:07 <K2> yeah
19:07 <Mentat_> what email u using or screenname
19:08 <K2> i need to fire it up so i can remember hah
19:08 <Mentat_> no worries
19:08 <Mentat_> well good luck in your nethacks tourney 
19:08 <K2> account is k2_1971@hardfought.org (i need to make that an alias i guess)
19:08 <Mentat_> ill idle here
19:08 <K2> screen name is K2 there
19:09 <Mentat_> good to talk with ya man, ill be around
19:09 <Mentat_> thanks again
19:09 <K2> likewise
19:12 <Mentat_> https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/album/3
19:12 <Mentat_> wonder where all these guys are now
19:12 <Mentat_> still got my old hardfought hat too lol
19:13 <K2> lol
19:13 <K2> i still have a couple of the t-shirts
19:13 <K2> so spy-man is all grown up and joined the army
19:14 <K2> cant remember if he got out already or stayed in
19:16 <Mentat_> he was a good kid
19:16 <Mentat_> Arctek is working in SC building nuclear reactors of all things
19:16 <Mentat_> just had his first kjiddo
19:16 <K2> hah wow
19:16 <K2> i havent seen/herad from him in forever
19:17 <Mentat_> nauwra@gmail.com 
19:17 <Mentat_> u should hit him up 
19:17 <K2> heh
19:17 <K2> well tell em i said hello
19:18 <K2> sounds like you're still in touch
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19:28 <K2> i dont think valve is gonna send anything Mentat_
19:28 <K2> does it *have* to be Mentat@ ?
19:29 <K2> shouldnt mentat@ work just fine? emails arent supposed to be case sensitive
19:32 <Mentat_> yeah case doesnt matter
19:34 <Mentat_> they had me put the ticket in with all the details of the account i could remember and asked me if i still had access to email. looks like its sitting in their support que
19:34 <Mentat_> might take a day or so
19:34 <K2> when i loaded up steam they wanted to verify my email address. it sent right away
19:34 <K2> damn you valve
19:35 <Mentat_> i think i tried to many times
19:35 <Mentat_> locked it out or something
19:37 <K2> hah
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20:01 <barcabuona> holy shit ive been hitting trap doors forever. must've been three times now. entered the mines at level 4, went down to lvl 5 and from traps alone am at lvl 11
20:02 <barcabuona> only escaped a dragon thx to speed boots
20:02 <barcabuona> should i just read scrolls randomly hoping to get one of mapping?
20:03 <ShivanHunter> hmm, I'd say try to find the upstairs first
20:04 <ShivanHunter> Do you have a candle, lamp, etc? You're probably getting dark levels that far down
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20:05 <barcabuona> yeah I do
20:05 <barcabuona> I'm just gonna pray i can find the stairs before i find more draons....for like 5 levels XD
20:06 <barcabuona> cant even check for cursed items & have AC6
20:06 <ShivanHunter> do you have poison res and/or magic res?
20:06 <barcabuona> no pickaxe either. i have poison yes
20:06 <barcabuona> not magic
20:07 <ShivanHunter> k, then expect polytraps to fuck you up but honestly I'd be more worried about the giant spiders you get in the mines. With PR you're good
20:07 <ShivanHunter> actually that dragon, if it was a full-grown dragon, was probably a polytrap result
20:08 <barcabuona> should i just wing it and wear all armor taken from a dwarf lord? hes got a mithril coat which is lighter than my prev orcish chain
20:08 <barcabuona> giant spiders arent too bad, im hitting fine
20:08 <ShivanHunter> mithril is good, and you can _probably_ uncurse it before you'll need to replace it
20:08 <barcabuona> ah yeh youre right it was probably a polytrap. i heard a ripping sound just before it
20:08 <ShivanHunter> only realy problem would be if it's like -4
20:09 <barcabuona> damn one cloak was cursed -2
20:09 <barcabuona> still improved my AC to 4 :) not bad
20:10 <ShivanHunter> Hmm. Ironically that polytrap could help get it off but would also likely destroy the mithril coat
20:11 <aosdict> !tell LarienTelrunya Are the singular forms of boot objects in SLEX present as monsters? Like, "speed boot"?
20:11 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
20:11 <barcabuona> i think ill keep it until i get to minetown. for now i can see while blind, & i have a blindfold, so im just trying to wear it every few turns
20:11 <ShivanHunter> oh yeah, telepathy will see most nasty stuff before it can get to you
20:12 <ShivanHunter> looking at your game - you might want to use that lamp rather than a candle, since it has a higher light radius
20:12 <ShivanHunter> LOL
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20:12 <ShivanHunter> well that'll do it :D
20:13 <barcabuona> omg i had huge luck
20:13 <barcabuona> a teleport trap brought me to lvl 1
20:13 <barcabuona> holy shit what a ride
20:13 <barcabuona> well that's enough for tonight. thx for the help ShivanHunter!
20:13 <ShivanHunter> o/
20:20 <ShivanHunter> ooh Elronnd scheduled my Dudley's Dungeon comics :D
20:20 <ShivanHunter> thanks!
20:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 221 points, T:432, killed by a dwarf
20:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 33 points, T:109, killed by a boiling potion
20:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Con Hum Mal Cha), 34 points, T:149, killed by a fox
20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Con Hum Mal Cha), 213 points, T:374, killed by an iron ball collision
20:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Con Hum Mal Cha), 156 points, T:733, killed by a jackal, while dragging an iron ball
20:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 354 points, T:594, killed by Mr. Aksaray; the shopkeeper
20:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 249 points, T:501, killed by a fox
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21:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Con Hum Mal Cha), 423 points, T:530, killed by a giant rat
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23:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] jigglyworm (Con Vam Mal Cha) genocided disenchanters dungeon wide on T:14669
23:21 <Elronnd> ShivanHunter: np